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>>2839882 >>2841648>stop supporting democrats and republicansSAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PLATNERTARDS HERE
>>2841658>>2841675inshallah one day I will gulag you faggots
>>2841648>>2841658>>2841665Vote for the preferable option if necessary, but always prioritize third party advocacy over anything the democrats party wants you to do. I think the uk is shifting its left wing really successfully to the greens, and I hope America does something similar with DSA.
>>2841653I think Platner is actually about as good as US senators can get. People hate him for his military chud aesthetic, but his anonymous internet comments I think show more of the person heโs really become than any stupid tattoo he got on shore leave.
>>2841690you mean "turd" worldists? if you're gonna make stupid memes at least get it right
>>2841691>Vote for the preferable option if necessarynot at all how the Marxist view on using electoral systems work. the idea is that you ought to produce your candidates to use in bourgeois elections, but only tactically, without putting your hopes into the election itself, while building an underground machine that can bring about the revolution through organized fighting. for example, if there's an election in America, you shouldn't vote for the dem because "muh red guy is fashit" but rather produce your own independent socialist candidate. and deep down you should acknowledge that this candidate most likely wont bring about socialism through winning that election, so his main purpose will be to just present himself as an alternative, and advertise the Marxist cause to those who may be listening. try to build a public coalition, while preparing your machine to wage war. elections can possibly be a tool for agitaion, propaganda, and coalition building, but could never be a true pathway to socialism
>I think the uk is shifting its left wing really successfully to the greensthis is something I see the britards and euroshits do that really pisses me off. you have leagues of far leftists, that openly identify as such because their political scenes are not as hostile to marxism, but then they end up supporting these lib ass establishment candidates. in America you cant openly be a socialist, yet even then most far leftists in America are alot more alienated with their political establishment than their euro counterparts. Zach Polanski is not fucking Lenin. it makes no sense for Brits to accept libs, when they have the capacity to build an independent fully socialist coalition, or at least they have better chances than us. and yet, they settle for these libs.
>I think Platner is actually about as good as US senators can get.really?? are you serious? he's not even a demsoc, people here don't even like demsocs like Bernie or zohran, yet they should like a guy who doesn't even support socialism or even social democracy, AND just so happens to be a crypto-fash mass murderer ???
are there any normal ML's out there anymore? its just ACP hitlerites or D$A libshits
just fucking kill me at this point
>>2841690
We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Stop migrations but defend and organize migrant workers currently living here. Build dual power to smash the bourgeois state and establish a proletarian republic which stop imperialist policy and help fasten the migrant's homeland to recover from imperialism so that we may realize even development.
>>2841710>not at all how Marxist view on using electoral systems workWell yea, Iโm not much of a Marxist. The revolution has to be democratically run, just like all government, just like all business, where those most affected by its decisions are given direct say in its control.
>settle for these libsItโs not meant as a settlement, itโs meant as a stepping stone. Although Iโm more of a DSA than a CPUSA guy, I support a significant left-ward shift in all British/American policies thatve been rolled back by disastrous conservative leadership over the last century+. If that means occasionally voting for not Lenin, Iโll take it.
>heโs not even a demsocHe describes himself as such, heโs also referred to himself as a communist. Either way, Iโm not going to be too harsh of a purist when he hasnโt even been in office. I think he was a dumb white guy, but I doubt heโs someone who would willfully sell out the party to cryptocurrencies or the authright.
>>2841732depends on what he means by "democratically", if he means non-sectarian and allowing factions then it's not wrong
>>2841732Not democratic as in through democratic channels, but in a democratic structure where anyone who acts to lead it is beholden to each citizen under them.
>>2841728>He describes himself as suchSource? Just because he's backed by Sanders, who himself is very socdem/liberal, nowhere near as socialist as he claimed to be decades ago, doesn't mean he calls himself a "demsoc", which is itself a meaningless term.
>heโs also referred to himself as a communistIn like one leddit post a long time ago that he since backed off from. Still doesn't mean shit when most people still think "socialism is when the government does stuff"
>Although Iโm more of a DSA than a CPUSA guyMost DSA that I know, especially the higher up you go, are Marxists/Anarchists, not simply "shift our policies left", since they've only ever been modestly socdem at best.
>>2841749I knew he walked back the communist post I didnโt think he backed off from the socialism stuff too, but Iโm disappointed he has. I think much more impactful in the present is his stance on climate change or the Gaza genocide or the state of wealth inequality. All of which will create much more benefits than accepting the terminology.
>>2841728> just like all government, just like all business, where those most affected by its decisions are given direct say in its control. So you can't seize the corpos until the C-suite execs and shareholders agree.
>>2841759Or they can get killed in the street.
>>2841752In the short term, that might seem to be the case, but ultimately, because socdem "left populists" are still subordinate to and supportive of the capitalist hegemony, they will always reveal their treacherous nature. They can only ever be "enemies of my enemy", not true allies. Therefore, he either won't or can't do anything meaningful about climate change or Gaza or wealth inequality, because to do so would require him to go against capitalism, which he cannot or will not do.
>>2841724if s state of revolutionary chaos is reached, immigrants lookign for capitalist opportunities would stop anyway.
>>2841691Platner literally bragged about how much he enjoyed killing Iraqis in a war he knew was a lie. He guarded Abu Ghraib and killed defending it. To this day, he calls the USMC the best job he ever had.
Just to be clear, since you may be too young to remember it, an entire generation of Iraqi men were forced into a carceral system which even the US Army itself admits regularly employed torture and that 90% of detainees were innocent. Entire neighborhoods of men would be rounded up at once, detained indefinitely and tortured. Anyone who resisted was simply murdered, often along with their entire family.
Furthermore, when evacuating cities like Fallujah, the US ordered all "military age males" to remain in the city, then declared it a free fire zone where anyone who remained was automatically considered hostile. The US shelled Fallujah, Ramadi, Mosul and more with white phosphorus to force the residents out of hiding places and high explosive to kill them as they ran. They called them shake and bake missions. 40k died in Mosul alone.
Platner called his time in Fallujah an "excellent experience."
The invasion and brutal counterinsurgency war fought in Iraq is not seen in the light that it should be. The media was intentionally turned into an agent of propaganda and has purposefully whitewashed it to hide their own complicity in it.
If an American einsatzkommando is the best that Social Democracy can do then it's a truly monstrous ideology that deserves to be destroyed. But we already knew that.
>>2841791Respect bro for keeping Iraq alive. Dude I feel crazy how we all pretend like that just didn't happen. I mean seriously.
I could add a lot but just one: 'Member how they used to leave bait guns in the street, and if anyone picks it up, now they're an armed insurgent and then they'd snipe them to get their quotas or whatever. I member.
>>2841801valdez would be much better than reynoso or won
>>2841675
>why do you care about the retarded thug gestapo bro?? normal one much?? go watch sportsball or wathever
>>2841763Right but these arenโt boxes you check yes or no on. These are policy prescriptions that have various different means and extents of effect, theyโre created and implemented by flawed people who word things poorly and structure them inefficiently. When you say he โcanโt do anything meaningful about climate changeโ I donโt expect him to try and nationalize chevron, it would surprise me if heโd even be in support of that, but all we need is to buy less of it and transition to renewables, which he will do.
>>2841791So you'll vote for Susan Collins, who voted for the Iraq war in the first place got it
OH GOD IM POOOOOOOOOOOSTIIIIIING
>>2841841
10 billion potholes fixed, symbolic tax on expensive second properties, immigrant healthcare workers still overworked and underpaid. Turns out our slopulist Bonaparte governs like a regular Democrat
Today I walked outside and cursed the sun for being too hot. I saw my neighborโs kids playing with TREATS. I picked them up and threw them into the community dumpster
>>2841876Make sure to throw some sulfur acid on the treats or imperialist homeless parasites will pick them up
>>2841876obssesed brimstone
>>2841876thank you gridiron felix for keeping the community safe from treatlerites
Got contacted last night by a woman about 2 hours from me. She's a comrade from a pretty rural part of Florida. She contacted me about a family member who's been in jail for over 100 days due to posts made about ICE. No bond. So we got a guy who is in jail for over 100 days. He's charged as a terrorist in relation to an anti-ICE Facebook post that happened basically right after Alex Pretty was killed. He's an Iraq war veteran who survived his base being bombed, so he's got pretty gnarly PTSD. He's being in jail ain't great.
He is continuously being denied food. They've confiscated his commissary multiple times, so he's lost a lot of weight. The bond has been denied multiple times. The process for veterans court continues to be stalled without progress. There's very little transparency from what I was told. The family has filed grievances with the jail because of the denial of food, and this has only caused more abuse by the guards and more food being taken. They take the food and eat it in front of him. He's not in a cell, he's in a pod with 75 other men. He's been in this pod with 75 other men for over 100 days. For a Facebook post.
In the Facebook post, he said that if ICE comes after you, you have your Second Amendment right, that you can choose violence. I'm not entirely sure on the exact verbiage of the post, but suffice to say, but if I walked outside and shouted "KILL ALL PIGS" that's free speech. She's going to send me the exact post but I don't think it's that important at this stage. He's a veteran, obviously not a threat, and he's also a comrade. He's been active at protests. He's been active being a legal observer and speaking out against ICE. And the family believes that this is one of the reasons why he is still being held, due to his activism work. They're trying to set an example of him.
The family has contacted the ACLU, and they have not responded. The family has contacted a few other organizations with minimal luck in getting anything back. One of the family members contacted me in hopes of getting the word out, letting me, letting us contact people, networking, doing basically anything. They're desperate. They're having a protest in front of the courthouse every two weeks, holding up signs. They need attention. The only way to get this man bond is to get him, get public awareness of the case, given that he is an Iraq war veteran who's survived a bomb. He might even have a Purple Heart. He's got PTSD.
And another thing is, while he was in jail, they were transporting prisoners with a golf cart, and one of the golf carts was hit by a truck and he sustained injuries that he has been denied pain medication for. He's also been denied any sort of support or treatment for his PTSD and also the pain and injuries caused by the aforementioned car accident. But the family believes that the potential, there's a potential that the car accident exacerbated the bond being denied. If he comes out of the jail severely injured, then they have a better chance of suing. He's being denied medicine, and I can only imagine how brutal it is to go through a car accident and then be on a hard cot in jail with no pain medicine, as an Iraq veteran who already probably has injuries.
Therefore, we gotta do what we gotta do. This is a comrade in need of support. This is a veteran who is being fucked by the system. This is a perfect opportunity to do the work. This is a perfect opportunity to get the word out. And this is a perfect opportunity to do agitprop. And it's the perfect opportunity to support a comrade who has time and time again, from what I was told, put his body on the line. He is someone who is in the front of these protests when they're going on.
>>2841487>>There is no bargaining. Like I said, the goal of the general strike is the toppling of the bourgeois state.>That is bargaining. You are expecting the bourgeoisie to simply roll over to your demands.
>if the working class actually exercises its primary strength as identified by Marx, that of the ability to withhold work, it's just bargaining and expecting the bourgeoisie to roll overwell damn i guess marx was just a retarded liberal.
>>2841882Sorry I donโt speak soyjak
>>2841925<instigates violence>repercussions ensue<No! No! Why are you doing this! it's my free speech!Why are people like this? Why don't you face the world as it is, not how you would like it to be in some utopian state?
retarded troll
>>2841929Unless the goal of the general strike is the immediate implementation of the dictatorship of the proletariat, which will never happen because trade unions are fundamentally petite bourgeois in class character, then yes it is explicitly begging the ruling class for a more equitable distribution of treats to the herrenvolk. There is precisely one revolutionary thing a trade unionist can do and thatโs die screaming in agony
>>2841833i've never heard anyone who complains about Platner over the last entire year explain what should be done from a strategic perspective.
>>2841941okay so you explicitly think Marx is a treatlerite.
>>2841943They donโt want to do anything. They wanna complain online for the rest of their lives and pretend that everyone who calls them out is a Democrat
>>2841943Hardly because Marx advocated explicitly for a dictatorship of the proletariat
>>2841864>american is becomingAmerikkka is Deleuzian?
>>2841955I feel like weโre more bataillean
>>2841950and what did he identify as the leverage of the working class?
>>2841963The vanguard party and its militarized cadres through which the proletariat waged a merciless uncompromising war with all anti-communist forces, aligned with the state or otherwise. The bourgeoisie will NEVER voluntarily surrender their own power, the anti-communist especially in the west is a psychotic savage who would rather die than deal with a possible reduction of treats. This is all outlined in The State and Revolution, but Iโm aware you fascists are totally allergic to actual relevant communist theory
Real wage status. I interested to see if dastard yanks can provide objective metric to see how imperialism benefit or hurt them. And compare real wage with third world.
>>2841966one american dollar will yield me more gasoline in mexico than in america, dollars are worth more outside the empire than inside it
>>2841965https://www.marxists.info/archive/lenin/works/1914/apr/04.htm>By drawing larger and larger masses of the proletariat into the organised struggle, the workersโ organisations, and first and foremost the trade unions, make the workersโ resistance more planned and systematic. With the existence of mass trade unions of different types, strikes become more stubborn: they occur less often, but each conflict is of bigger dimensions.
you reference treatlerite lenin.
>>2841974All of which you conveniently leave out is subordinate DIRECTLY TO THE VANGUARD PARTY ABD ITS ARMED CADRES as official representation of the proletariat as a class. Lenin NEVER even remotely suggested that trade unions be allowed to just withhold their labor on a whim, at best this leads to concessions of treats and at worst encourages yet another anti-communist front that will use strikes against the dictatorship of the proletariat while itโs fighting for its life against counterrevolution. When the Soviets were at risk of falling to the whims of the SRs and Mensheviks the Red Army simply liquidated them rather than allow another front of counterrevolution to form. But of course you identify with those very counterrevolutionaries who sought to shackle the imperial periphery to the west forever, so itโs little surprise youโre such a militant and violent defender of fascist trade unionism
>>2841981Factory status fedlix?
>>2841983You nerds really do see shadows of Felix every time your fascism is called out. Itโs almost cute
>>2841981>conveniently leave outshut the fuck up you literally dishonest fagwaffle. You go from "unions are petite bourgeosie" to "uhhh hactually they need to be done in certain ways"
you are just fucking flat out dishonest and i'm not reading anything else
>>2841990Jizzing on putin status?
>>2841749He has reddit posts where he says he's a communist. It's completely clownish to both think that reddit posts where he said going to war in iraq was a fun adventure and expressed enthusiasm for killing people are a reflection of his true beliefs but that the same reddit posts where he said he's a far-left communist who believes in revolutionary politics are what? part of an elaborate ruse where he larped as left-wing for years to prep for a senate run? in Maine?
>>2842007Honestly? I think the reaction to Platner among the internet commentariat betrays a deeper panic that youโre seeing elsewhere.
To put it bluntly, thereโs a vibe shift happening, and itโs that people are kinda sick of online weirdos trying to tell them what to do. Since the mid-2010s the loudest voices in the room when it comes to online culture and politics have been a vocal minority of keyboard warriors, streamers, podcasters, and other assorted weirdos. Theyโve been basically directing the conversation among the online portion of the public through sheer mob mentality.
And folks
haaaaaaaaate that.
>>2841941>Unless the goal of the general strike is the immediate implementation of the dictatorship of the proletariatYes, that's the entire point of syndicalism as a strategy for socialist construction.
>which will never happen because trade unions are fundamentally petite bourgeois in class characterNow you just sound like you're using words you don't understand. Trade unions are by definition organizations of proletarians. They can be lack class consciousness and be trapped in economism, but that isn't the same as being petty bourgeois.
>>2841965>The vanguard partyMarx never spoke of a vanguard party, that was Lenin's invention.
>>2841658DSA is outside the democratic party yet they almost exclusively "win" when they support candidates who run as democrats, and then betray DSA. so basically they're sheepdogging, as the old saying goes. it's very cucked behavior. Maybe think about that? it doesn't really matter if you wave a sign that says "socialism" when your function is to be funnel for a capitalist party.
>>2841819>It's crazy how a lot of these countries pretend like America forced them to be psychos.america also does this with israel. "oh no, we would never do imperialism of our own free will, it's just that we were tricked/bribed/blackmailed." it's kinda pathetic
>>2841746>but in a democratic structure where anyone who acts to lead it is beholden to each citizen under them.This leads us once again back to Lenin, the ability for anyone at a meeting who masters Robert's Rules of Order to derail or re-litigate even the basic premise of the of the local org or what they are working on is a self defeating weakness. This was a problem for movements even 100 years ago, this is a problem for the DSA now that we can observe and measure right in front of us. Trying to build a national organization where everybody just works on what they want, where you can ask the local orgs the same question and get a different answer for national problems depending on the city you are in, is an inefficient approach! It is a hobbling of our capabilities. It is idealistic insistence on NOT being a national movement. It's not going to work! I'm sorry, I know people really wish it would work but it's not going to work!
>>2842015the issue is platner is basically triggering the political equivalent of vegans who are mostly doing it just to scold you for morals but dont have any real answer to the problem they're so upset about.
>>2841995Incorrect. The always yanks say things are getting worse. Post real wage statistic. How has imperialism affected yank real wages
>>2842027dedollarization and inflation will destroy the burger wage in long run. two more weeks. trust the plan.
>>2841943>i've never heard anyone who complains about Platner over the last entire year explain what should be done from a strategic perspective. it's just bizarre that people are drooling over this blackwater merc. maine democrats could have literally picked a random working class guy off the streets and he would be more appealing than platner. but we all know democrats aren't about the working class. so maine socialists should have to hold their nose and vote for this guy just because muh susan collins? maybe things need to get worse before they can get better.
I want Platner to win so we can just get it over with when he ends up being total shit Fetterman 2.0 so the shills fuck off and shut up about him out of shame. By then they'll be hopping up and down going VOTE VOTE VOTE for the next piece of shit who does nothing to advance anything they want, even after Trumps rigged their precious voting that they fetishize. they are monkies conditioned to hit a button that's got the wires connecting it to anything cut and they think they can lecture on politics.
>>2842028Itโs called Marxism Leninism for a reason retard. One cannot exist without the other
>>2842035There have been no theoretical developments of Marxism since 1848 you idiot. It's invariant.
>>2842035I'm aware. I just thought it was funny how closely that conversation matched the comic. Someone was asking what Marx thought, not what Marxist-Leninists think. And the answer they got is what Marxist-Leninists think, not what Marx thought. Isn't that funny to you at all? Not even a little? Well I guess we have different senses of humor, and that is OK.
>>2842036please don't answer a reply meant for someone else when you evidently haven't even followed the conversation
>>2842033>I want Platner to win so we can just get it over with when he ends up being total shit Fetterman 2.0 so the shills fuck off and shut up about him out of shame.the mamdani shills didn't shut up after he started meeting with the chabad weirdos and kept that commissioner tish. any amount of cucking can be justified in hindsight by realpolitik.
>>2842043Iโm sorry, I guess I just donโt see the humor in a militant anti-communist pedophile and his dogshit โartโ where he acts like itโs an epic gotcha that Marxism is an evolving science rather than a dogma, but I guess my brain isnโt completely melted by treat consumption
They're doing targeted raids on "antifa" in Minneapolis today, charges are pretty much just observing ICE and helping their community except phrased in really nefarious ways
>>2842058https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/28266441-mn-direct-action-indictment/A link to the indictment, if anyone's curious. All of this is being done under the purview of NSPM-7, currently 15 people are in in custody for being "antifa"
>>2841992always he does this.
bold claim: trade unions are fundamentally petite bourgeois in class character, then yes it is explicitly begging the ruling class for a more equitable distribution of treats to the herrenvolk. There is precisely one revolutionary thing a trade unionist can do and thatโs die screaming in agony
uncontroversial claim: Lenin NEVER even remotely suggested that trade unions be allowed to just withhold their labor on a whim, at best this leads to concessions of treats and at worst encourages yet another anti-communist front that will use strikes against the dictatorship of the proletariat while itโs fighting for its life against counterrevolution.
>>2842049> Marxism is an evolving science rather than a dogmaIt's kind if sad that you presume I didn't know this. Pic related is one I post here often.
>militant anti-communist pedophileI wasn't aware the artist of the comic is a "militant anti-communist pedophile" because I don't keep a database in my brain of every webcomic artist like you do.
> my brain isnโt completely melted by treat consumptionyou seem to have a database in your brain of every webcomic artist so it is?
>Iโm sorry, I guess I just donโt see the humor in [changing the subject]I just thought it was funny that someone asked what MARX thought and the reply they got is what MARXISM LENINISM is today. Maybe they wanted to know what Marx thought. Maybe it's possible to know that Marxism is evolution not dogma and still want to know where that evolution began, no? It's not that unreasonable of a request is it? It's kind of important to know that Marx never said anything about vanguard parties when one of the anons in this conversation was implying that he did, no?
>>2842049>militant anti-communist pedophileDo you have proof of these allegationsor is this one of those "guilty until proven innocent" situations where everyone just needs to believe you and if they don't have faith in your words it proves they're a heretic?
>>2841992also notice he's wailing about how unions could be used to do solidarnosc style glowie shit… as if we already have a dictatorship of the proletariat in this country
>>2842064Schizo maximalism only makes sense if you delude yourself into thinking that the communist cause and class struggle is far more advanced than it is. It makes some sense to denounce any concessions as "treats" if you're in Weimar Germany where Communists are the third largest party, have the backing of a Great Power, their own militia, and control roughly half the trade unions. It makes a lot less sense when they're too weak to even get shit that is taken for granted in other neoliberal countries like socialized healthcare.
>>2842070new purge list just dropped
>>2842070Theyโre so fucked. They are legitimately fumbling ALL of their prospects through incompetence and stupidity.
>muh schizo maximalist
new codeword for "person to the left of social-democracy" just dropped
>>2841864>Over a decade ago now somebody said to me, 'american is becoming idiocracy'. I'm sorry, "becoming"? America has always been a idiotic nation run by religious crazies and idiots. I mean look at things like the Satanic Panic, the Know-Nothings, and of course The Salem Witch Trials.
>>2842070>that hag named kaja kallas on the list>russian opposition figure>multiple EU officialsgod euroaches and ukros are of course fighting for palantir also, despite them claiming to be anti-US.
The potential superpower of superpowers literally
>>2842086lets hope they become even worse, to the point they destroy themselves
>>2842071Make schizo maximalists shut the fuck up
>>2842086if you are confused at the state of American politics you're a zoomer. us gen x and millennials remember when they were blaming school shootings and suciides on Slayer albums.
don't tell me about assassinations unless they succeed
Trump eyes firing Pete Hegseth and CIA chief John Ratcliffe over Iran deal clash
https://www.themirror.com/news/breaking-trump-eyes-firing-pete-1889778The article says trump is considering firing Hegseth and CIA Director Ratcliffe for opposing his deal with Iran. A source told Israel Hayom "the debate has been settled. Anyone who opposed it could pay a personal price." Rubio appears safe because he avoided publicly criticizing the deal.
The internal split: Vance, Witkoff, and Kushner supported the deal, arguing the Iranian regime won't fall within a reasonable timeframe and Gulf states are pushing for resolution. Hegseth, Rubio, and defense/state officials argued Iran was already in decline and more pressure would force surrender or collapse. Treasury Secretary Bessent pushed back on lifting sanctions, warning they'd be hard to reinstate.
A memorandum of understanding has been reached to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, but sanctions will need to be at least partly lifted as part of it.
Lindsey Graham said that under law, any nuclear deal must go to Congress for review.
The White House aggressively denied the story, with a spokesperson calling the reporter "a clown" whose sources are "probably the voices in his head."
Neat
TRUMP SAYS HE DID REGIME CHANGE IN SYRIA!!!
JOLANI WAS HIS CHOICE!!
HE HAD TO REMOVE THE ANTI-SEMITIC MONSTER ASSAD AND PUT IN PRO DEMOCRACY ACTIVIST JOLANI!!
https://xcancel.com/koshercockney/status/2066834347945087445#mSo based
>>2842101Yeah the Media and adults blamed everything from Slayer Albums, Wearing black Trenchcoats, Goths, Video Games, Doom and other things for the Coumbine Shooting. But completely ignored the shooters obsession with Neo-Nazi bullshit.
drive wedges between all the federal agencies, get firefights between ATF, CIA, and FBI, even better if local police ate there too
>>2842112
>I'm starting to think a chunk of these supposed North Korean diehards are actually CIA-backed radlib revolutionary units running some kind of long-term op in here.
Or more likely, a bunch of sharty teens using LLMs and google translate to create trolling bullshit.
>>2842122>A source told Israel Hayom "the debate has been settled. Anyone who opposed it could pay a personal price." That's a shitty Israeli right-wing paper and it's probably bullshit.
>>2842064>>2842071The whole point is to use a
more advanced position to attack the basis that developed it, thus preventing the advanced position from appearing in the first place.
This is why you get "schizo" shit like where union members need to be shot for being reactionaries for attacking the dictatorship of the proletariat. You don't have a DOTP? Well you need the vanguard of armed militant cadres to make one! Unions are good when they're lead by the vanguard. Where do you get the vanguard? Crickets.
There will never be an answer because there is intentionally not supposed to be an answer, because the whole point of this strategy is to prevent you from getting to a vanguard.
>>2842134It's owned by Miriam adelson you retard. She's trump top donor
>>2841943Assassinate both Platner and Collins with your commando units.
>>2842142This. It's like screaming about how the house needs shingles before you've laid the foundation, and calling anybody who wants to lay a foundation a wrecker who hates houses.
Iโm facepalming btw
>I'm not entirely sure on the exact verbiage of the post, but suffice to say, but if I walked outside and shouted "KILL ALL PIGS" that's free speech
that could be considered solicitation
>>2842165also for the record i got this image from a news article i did not go and take a creepshot of some random person outside
>>2842165America doesnโt have a geography for mass movements, the population is far too spread out and atomized
>>2842165It's harder, requires more work, is less cool, and also the US is very atomized.
>>2842165>Why the fuck do Americans care more for adventurist activism (mainly boycotts which basically mean buying from the "least problematic" members of the bourgeoisie instead) than actual mass movementsThey donโt
>>2842165There were boycotts against McDonalds over the Israel thing after Oct 7across the Arab world, why are you trying to spin it as uniquely American?
Also, I am really tired of this retarded argument style.
>why are people that are alligned with my view point generally doing some other form of praxis than what I think they should be doing?I could employ the same logic back at you.
>Why the fuck do imageboard users care more for posting snark than actual mass movements?Also, no where did does that poster say buy from Burger King, that's a whole new sentence.
>>2842112
>>2842160
>muh north korea diehards
literally some shit a cop started spamming about in the last two months. The line on DRPK is that america killed 20% of their country and they had to rebuild everything from scratch. just leave them alone. they aren't doing meth terrorism like you say they are. stop spamming about this. you're just trying to use north korea as a scapegoat for some reason.
>>2842191Algae blooms are a sign of stagnant water, which can be really dangerous. Mosquitos are already enough of a problem in DC as is
>>2842190They're all the same person
>>2842189RIP the ducks and other waterfowl of theblake
>>2842194i wonder what he gets paid to do this. more than the mods that's for sure
>>2842193>Algae blooms are a sign of stagnant water,and fertilizer runoff. millions of fish dead near louisiana because farmers over-fertilize their fields while not trying to increase soil retention at all
>>2842153America needs a cultural revolution more than any nation that has ever existed and any serious Marxist would acknowledge this, but you are not a serious Marxist, you just want more treats, toys and games.
>>2842192PLEASE DONT TELL ME YOU BELIEVE THAT FAKE NORTH KOREAN LEAK LAST NIGHT LOL! it was a bunch of random discord servers not a zionist american nationalist conspiracy against your website. let how quickly the mods CLEANED THAT LARP BULLSHIT, while our shit infects like a virus be a testament to how long our reach is compared to intifada larping juchelosers. I'm not saying the mods are zionists or glowies, I'm saying the very flirtation that zionists who brigade this board will be doxed instills a certain level of fear into mods here that leads to swift removal. that level of fear does not exist when the mug shots of juche posters get pushed, so anti-juche doxing threads can last way longer than pro-juche doxing threads. and you want to go to war? good luck buddy
>>2842200The cultural revolution led directly to the dengist counterrevolution you hate so much though, it made everyone apolitical and sick of politics
>>2842200i agree. let's start with you. the comrades have found you guilty of treatlerism. to plea not guilty proves your guilt. put the dunce cap on him now! parade him through the street! beat him with sticks. if he apologizes, kill him! if he doesn't apologize, kill him slowly!
>>2842201>juche bad, juche bad! north korea selling meth to our innocent cops!!shut the fuck up and kys.
>>2842200An actual Cultural Revolution in America would be great, we sorely need it. Going apeshit over anyone referencing pop culture ever however is just stupid. If you want to gun down a comrade because they accidentally compared someone or something stealthy to Solid Snake then be my guest, but you'll be quickly left alone
>>2842201Where the fuck does this obsession over "jucheposters" come from? Barely anyone cares about North Korea at the moment, Iran is the country people are glazing right now
>>2842210Trvke that no one is brave enough to accept: The Chinese are bigger treatlerites than AmeriKKKans. All their social media is just nepobabys flexing their obscene wealth.
>>2842211Wtf I love north korea now
>>2842211I mean, did a juche collective following the same exact grift as juche posters get raided by FBI for drugs and weapons in the 70s? yes. so is it all fake? or do you believe the cops in the 70s were paranoid liars too? thought those articles were A.I at first but i confirmed all of them
>>2842210Deng "won" and the Chinese workers lost. They are now subjected to the brutal whims of capitalism where a small handful of them (which you all think will be you, of course) are living lives of luxury and wealth while the average worker is doing 9-9-6 shifts at the shoe factory in conditions so bad they have to physically stop them from killing themselves.
Dengism is just Capitalism painted red, and that is why you all like it.
Capitalism is not a progressive force in America and cannot be used as a basis to advance the nation. Again, any serious Marxist would recognize this, but none of you are serious Marxists. You just want more treats for yourselves at literally any cost.
>>2842212> The Chinese are bigger treatlerites than AmeriKKKans. All their social media is just nepobabys flexing their obscene wealth.you take my point and twist it. my point is american imperialism is bleeding out because america sacrificed its own discipline and productive capacity in the name of outsourcing for fast profits. china meanwhile has rich nepo babies but nothing on the scale of the burger reich. the average chinese house is filled with goods made by chinese workers. the average american house is also filled with goods made by chinese workers. america doesn't create shit anymore and it's america's fault, and deng took advantage of that to pull china out of poverty. yes it was "capitalist" and not "ideologically pure" but it pushed history beyond unipolarity and created conditions that allowed for US Decline. yes I know US decline isn't the final goal and proletarian revolution is, but sometimes the path isn't so simple. Deng was Marxist. He picked up a gun and shed his own blood to expel the Japanese and defeat the KMT. That's far more than most did for Communism and I'm tired of him getting shit and being called the Chinese Gorbachev. Gorbachev dissolved the CPSU, Deng did not dissolve the CPC. In fact Deng put down the attempted color revolution in the 1990s. Muh tank man though.
>>2842216Zersetzung status?
>>2842216>Deng "won" and the Chinese workers lostChina fought a bloody civil war to expel the Japanese and defeat the KMT. Deng fought in that war. That's more than you have done.
If China stayed pure it would have ended up sanctioned and starving like Cuba and DPRK. If it dissolved the party like the USSR it would have ended up like Russia and Ukraine. Instead it neither went full lib like the USSR nor did it go full moralist like Cuba and DPRK. That's why it won. You say Deng was brutal. The alternatives:, ending up like Cuba and DPRK, on the one hand, or USSR on the other, was worse. PRC actually saved worker lives by taking the path they did.
>treatsConsider: China tricked the biggest capitalist empire into making itself weaker in the name of getting cheap treats, to the point where that empire no longer has military or economic supremacy, and is unable to win wars of imperial aggression anymore, is not able to pull off CIA coups as gracefully as it could in the 60s and 70s, is unable to produce missiles as quicklly as Russia and Iran, all while helping the DPRK avoid sanctions. That's good. What use is moralism about having a more ethically pure but ultimately suicidal strategy that gets more workers killed? Deng won.
As for revolutionary defeatism, I think Americans should be revolutionary defeatist. I am indifferent to whether the Chinese proles become revolutionary defeatist. At the moment they seem to approve of the CPC, regardless of you wanting to save them from the CPC. The world views the USA as the top threat, not China. The world wants US military bases to get out of their country. China is one of a few countries on Earth where the majority feels things are headed in the right direction. Most people say the purpose of good governance is to improve living standards, and China has pulled millions out of poverty while the US has plunged millions into poverty. Yes China has not abolished commodity production globally and is "playing ball" so to speak instead of being ideologically pure, but neither has your party, or cooperative, or mutual aid group, or whatever it is you do.
Posting here is a treat btw
>>2842232Marx won. Deng Won. Lassalle lost.
Marx was Dengist:
>I have, which will surprise you not a little, been speculatingโpartly in American funds, but more especially in English stocks, which are springing up like mushrooms this year (in furtherance of every imaginable and unimaginable joint stock enterprise), are forced up to a quite unreasonable level and then, for the most part, collapse. In this way, I have made over ยฃ400 and, now that the complexity of the political situation affords greater scope, I shall begin all over again. It's a type of operation that makes small demands on one's time, and it's worth while running some risk in order to relieve the enemy of his money. Karl Marx, Letter to Lion Philips. 25 June 1864, preserved in Marx-Engels Collected Works, Vol. 41
Deng was Marxist:
>I am convinced that more and more people will come to believe in Marxism, because it is a science. Using historical materialism, it has uncovered the laws governing the development of human society. Feudal society replaced slave society, capitalism supplanted feudalism, and, after a long time, socialism will necessarily supersede capitalism. This is an irreversible general trend of historical development, but the road has many twists and turns. Over the several centuries that it took for capitalism to replace feudalism, how many times were monarchies restored! So, in a sense, temporary restorations are usual and can hardly be avoided. Some countries have suffered major setbacks, and socialism appears to have been weakened. But the people have been tempered by the setbacks and have drawn lessons from them, and that will make socialism develop in a healthier direction. So don't panic, don't think that Marxism has disappeared, that it's not useful any more and that it has been defeated. Nothing of the sort! Deng Xiaoping, Excerpts From Talks Given In Wuchang, Shenzhen, Zhuhai And Shanghai, 1992
Consider Lenin:
>We made the mistake of deciding to go over directly to communist production and distribution. We thought that under the surplus-food appropriation system the peasants would provide us with the required quantity of grain, which we could distribute among the factories and thus achieve communist production and distribution [โฆ] brief experience convinced us that that line was wrong, that it ran counter to what we had previously written about the transition from capitalism to socialism, namely, that it would be impossible to bypass the period of socialist accounting and control in approaching even the lower stage of communism [โฆ] our theoretical literature has been definitely stressing the necessity for a prolonged, complex transition through socialist accounting and control from capitalist society (and the less developed it is the longer the transition will take) to even one of the approaches to communist society. [โฆ] Get down to business, all of you! You will have capitalists beside you, including foreign capitalists, concessionaires and leaseholders. They will squeeze profits out of you amounting to hundreds per cent; they will enrich themselves, operating alongside of you. Let them. Meanwhile you will learn from them the business of running the economy, and only when you do that will you be able to build up a communist republic. Since we must necessarily learn quickly, any slackness in this respect is a serious crime. And we must undergo this training, this severe, stern and sometimes even cruel training, because we have no other way out.
Lenin, The New Economic Policy, 1921
>To make things even clearer, let us first of all take the most concrete example of state capitalism. Everybody knows what this example is. It is Germany. Here we have โthe last wordโ in modern large-scale capitalist engineering and planned organization, subordinated to Junker-bourgeois imperialism. Cross out the words in italics, and in place of the militarist, Junker, bourgeois, imperialist state put also a state, but of a different social type, of a different class content; a Soviet state, that is, a proletarian state, and you will have the sum total of the conditions necessary for socialism. Socialism is inconceivable without large-scale capitalist engineering based on the latest discoveries of modern science. It is inconceivable without planned state organization, which keeps tens of millions of people to the strictest observance of a unified standard in production and distribution. We Marxists have always spoken of this, and it is not worth while wasting two seconds talking to people who do not understand even this (anarchists and a good half of the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries). At the same time socialism is inconceivable unless the proletariat is the ruler of the state. This also is ABC. And history (which nobody, except Menshevik blockheads of the first order, ever expected to bring about โcompleteโ socialism smoothly, gently, easily and simply) has taken such a peculiar course that it has given birth in 1918 to two unconnected halves of socialism existing side by side like two future chickens in the single shell of international imperialism.
Lenin, โLeft-Wingโ Childishness, 1918
>For socialism is merely the next step forward from state-capitalist monopoly. Or, in other words, socialism is merely state-capitalist monopoly which is made to serve the interests of the whole people and has to that extent ceased to be capitalist monopoly.
Lenin, The Impending Catastrophe and How to Combat It, Section Titled: Can We Go Forward If We Fear To Advance Towards Socialism?, 1917
BUT BUT BUT I hear you say:
<The NEP was a highly restricted temporary measure to get the Soviet Union from emerging capitalism to higher-stage capitalism, so that they could then step in and move to socialism.
it's easy to declare that the NEP ended in 1928 after Stalin rose to power, but in practice the USSR continued accepting foreign capital investment all through the 1930s. The USSR was doing "Dengism" the whole time. Consider:
<"The modern factories that defeated the Germans in World War II had their origin in the many technical agreements signed with foreign firms [โฆ] By March 1930 the [USSR] had signed 104 contracts. Of the 104, 81 were with American or German companies [โฆ] Over 400 American engineers made the architectural drawings for the Magnitogorosk plant, the largest project in the First Five-Year Plan. [โฆ] In May 1930, McKee waws hired to supervise the construction as well. By 1931, 250 American engineers were working on the project [โฆ] McKee brought in engineers from General Electric to work on the huge electrical installation. New open-hearth furnaces were designed by the Freyn Company [โฆ] the American Morgan Engineering Company [โฆ] and the German Demag A-G.โ
Walter Dunn Jr., The Soviet Economy and the Red Army 1930-1945, 1995
<Certain comrades affirm that the Party acted wrongly in preserving commodity production after it had assumed power and nationalized the means of production in our country. They consider that the Party should have banished commodity production there and then. In this connection they cite Engels, who says: "With the seizing of the means of production by society, production of commodities is done away with, and, simultaneously, the mastery of the product over the producer". These comrades are profoundly mistaken. Let us examine Engels' formula. Engels' formula cannot be considered fully clear and precise, because it does not indicate whether it is referring to the seizure by society of all or only part of the means of production, that is, whether all or only part of the means of production are converted into public property. Hence, this formula of Engels' may be understood either way. Elsewhere in Anti-Duhring Engels speaks of mastering "all the means of production," of taking possession of "all means of production." Hence, in this formula Engels has in mind the nationalization not of part, but of all the means of production, that is, the conversion into public property of the means of production not only of industry, but also of agriculture. It follows from this that Engels has in mind countries where capitalism and the concentration of production have advanced far enough both in industry and in agriculture to permit the expropriation of all the means of production in the country and their conversion into public property. Engels, consequently, considers that in such countries, parallel with the socialization of all the means of production, commodity production should be put an end to. And that, of course, is correct. There was only one such country at the close of the last century, when Anti-Duhring was published - Britain. There the development of capitalism and the concentration of production both in industry and in agriculture had reached such a point that it would have been possible, in the event of the assumption of power by the proletariat, to convert all the country's means of production into public property and to put an end to commodity production.
Stalin, Economic Problems of the USSR, 1951
In short, "Dengism" is inescapable until you have a global revolution that puts an AES state in a hegemonic position where the US used to beโฆ Just like worker-owned cooperatives get criticized for existing in a national capitalist economy, AES states get criticized for existing in a global capitalist economy. But how do you overthrow a global capitalist economy without at the very least having the strongest country (currently the USA) become socialist? It is our fault that hasn't happened yet.
>>2842223This ignores (probably intentionally, because it collapses your entire ideology) that Capitalism is still a progressive force in China, whereas in America it has advanced to it's moribund state and is no longer a progressive force in society.
Your attempt to apply Dengism to America will fail, because what we need is not more Capitalism, but less. Deng's re-implementation of Capitalism in China (and that is what it is, regardless of how you attempt to frame it) produced the effects it did because the Chinese economy was still seriously underdeveloped, which is not the case for America.
>>2842235Deng literally admits to what I am talking about here, capitalism superseded feudalism and socialism will supersede capitalism. America is not advancing from the feudalist stage, it is wholly Capitalist and Capitalism does not have a progressive role to play in the development of America anymore.
What you want, what all you Dengists want, is to be the apparatchiks living lives of luxury while the average worker is forced to ponder suicide because of conditions so utterly rapacious. You want MORE capitalism, not less. You are not Marxists, you are just LARPers of a different kind, trying to mechanically apply a doctrine that has no material basis to American politics.
>>2842243>What you want, what all you Dengists want, is to be the apparatchiks living lives of luxury while the average worker is forced to ponder suicide because of conditions so utterly rapacious. truth nuke
>>2842248
Call us when you and your movement lift 800 million out of poverty, oh wait it canโt
>>2842240>>2842235>>2842223going on a rager because someone criticized what is essentially a glorified social democracy
>>2842251i don't think the us-israel alliance will ever break because the us needs israel to be their attack dog in the middle east, but the trump admin is pretty unpredictable.. we'll see
>>2842243> Capitalism is still a progressive force in China, whereas in America it has advanced to it's moribund state and is no longer a progressive force in society.you were complaining about Deng and China. Revolutionary defeatism for America. Unless you want to get on a plane and go fight the Chinese bourgeoisie to save the Chinese proles, I don't know why you're complaining about "Dengism" in usapol.
>>2842250Until your movement lifts 800 million out of poverty you have no right to critique
>>2842255isn't this the exact same line that capitalist reactionaries use to defend the status quo
>>2842250If you are pro platner I don't want to hear complaining about "Dengism"
>glorified social democracybetter than what Amerikkka does which is vote democrat iraq war vets while complaining about a guy who shed blood fighting japanese fascists because he neither dissolved the party nor got himself sanctioned to death, which is the fate of most AES.
>>2842257Literally all the poverty alleviation guys like Steven Pinker point to as a defense of the status quo happened in China after the end of the Cultural Revolution
>>2842259I donโt believe Al Qaeda are going to be any more merciful or civilized than the IOF are, I just donโt buy it
>>2842257here's the difference, the chinese already had a revolution and civil war, a communist party is in charge, they have a high approval rating all over the country, and the chinese proles aren't clamoring for the overthrow of their own government unless you believe the CIA. platner voting democrats ITT want to complain about "Dengism" for being "social democracy" as if getting sanctioned to death and CIA couped in the name of moralism is a superior path. And they have the nerve to compare Deng to Gorbachev but Deng never dissolved the party. He fought the actual CIA attempted glowie counter revolution in the 1990s, which anti dengists praise
>>2842260>if you like deng you're steven pinkerneoliberalism increased poverty in the USA. dengism decreased poverty in china. that's the difference. oops sorry deng didn't cause chinese civil war 2 and kill millions in the name of purity like the CIA wanted.
>>2842265Iโm agreeing with you and against the ultra though
>>2842251trump literally married his daughter off to a mossad agent. you guys are setting yourselves up for another "fell for it again award"
>>2842267the syntax of your sentence confused me, sorry
>>2842269people love fell for it again awards on here. bernie, AOC, "squad," mamdani, platner….
>>2842263>here's the difference, the chinese already had a revolution and civil war, a communist party is in charge, they have a high approval rating all over the country, and the chinese proles aren't clamoring for the overthrow of their own government unless you believe the CIA.Yes, the American Dengoids refuse to acknowledge the massive differences between American and Chinese material conditions, which is precisely my point. An American NEP/Dengism is the absolute opposite of what America needs. We are not transitioning from Feudalism, we are already in the moribund stage of Capitalism. It is not and cannot be a progressive force in American society.
The American Dengoids (mostly Myles, who you all protect to such an extent that his ideology has basically become law here) either do not understand this or (much more likely) DO and think that they will be one of the party apparatchiks who gets rich from Dengism while the average worker kills themselves rather than do another shift at the sweatshop.
>>2842273>Yes, the American Dengoidsbut i advocate revolutionary defeatism in america, not simply acting as if we are 1980s china. when i said "deng won" i meant deng won in the context of his historical moment and his country, not in the context of world communist revolution. but in the context of america we most likely need a cultural revolution, a political revolution and maybe even a full blown civil war, because we are too chudded.
>>2842273You canโt even get Americans in the same room together let alone have a revolution, youโre debating over the third verse when you havenโt written a chorus, a pre chorus, or the two verses beforehand.
Question: if Trump is a โZionist puppetโ who was blackmailed by Israel via Epstein to do Israelโs bidding, why is he giving Bibi the finger?
>>2842278There is no indication he did that beyond Jewish Zionist news rags reporting it based on "anonymous sources". The Iranians are smarter than you, and they aren't falling for yet another Jewish good cop/bad cop sneak attack.
>>2842276roof before foundation duh
>>2842278>Question: if Trump is a โZionist puppetโ who was blackmailed by Israel via Epstein to do Israelโs bidding, why is he giving Bibi the finger?money talks
fingers dont
>>2842293>consideringi'll believe it when i see it
>>2842293If trump does that, but attacks Iran again anyway afterwards, i would not be surprised.
>>2842299white protestant empire using jews as scapegoat. genius really. the asset is too risky, too hot, now they all step back like "yeah the pressure and control they had over us was immense" meanwhile Israel's far right is built from americans not the other way around
marxism is communism and communism came from marx but marx said "i am not a marxist" and communism is against social-democracy but marxists called themselves social democrats until 1914 when marxists and social democrats split over the question of whether support their governments in ww1 with the marxists choosing to be "revolutionary defeatists" which confusingly means that revolution will be victorious if don't support your country in the war, but instead support a civil war at homeโฆ nobody did this except lenin, so only lenin was a real communist, and he criticized leftism because leftism is really just the left wing of capitalism, as well as an infantile disorder, and communism is not left wing or right wing despite everyone calling it left wing, meanwhile fascism is right wing, but so is liberalism, social democracy (no longer marxist, anarchism and basically everything except marxism is right wing, and basically nothing is left wing except marxism, but not even marxism left left wing, because left wing always means the left wing of capital but also marx said he wasn't a marxist so marxists are anti communist anyway, but also communism can only be marxist, which is not the left wing of capital, but its own thing completely outside of bourgeois politics, and everything is right wing except marxism. but none of that matters because the state made by lenin died and became a gas station with nukes ruled by an revisionist ex kgb agent who was installed by a drunk neoliberal. but also that revisionist kgb agent is based because he's killing CIA backed ukrainian neo nazis. but also he is cringe for being a duginist. also stalin is based for defeating nazism but also cringe for killing all the old bolsheviks but also based for calling social democracy the moderate wing of fascism, but also cringe for working liberals like roosevelt and conservatives like churchill who are even more reactionary than social democrats, but also based for purging all the revisionists including the old bolsheviks who just said he was cringe for purging but also based but also cringe but also based but also cringe but ultimately cringe because he died and left khruschev in charge who was a revisionist and destalinizer and cringe but also based for giving cuba nukes but also cringe for taking them back. also none of this matters because the planet is on fire and america is further from proletarian revolution than ever and the american left is simultaneously too ultra and too revisionist. thank you for coming to my ted talk.
>>2842303machiavelli wrote of this. he talks in one chapter of the prince how cesare borgia used a guy named ramiro d'orco to do brutal war crimes against a disobedient population to get them back in line, but then when he was done using that guy, he had him executed for his war crimes, so that the very same people he sent the brutal thug after hailed him as a liberator.
b52 status?
>>2842306This should be the final post on the site
>>2842299Hillary was a true anti imperialist
The real winner of the US-Iran war?
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis!
>>2842029Perhaps in long term, but at this rate I believe yanks very well may solve dedollarization by resorting to treat barter system or trade in kind of pints of blood before magical inflation alone destroy them. Late stage capitalist china inflation happen because Communist Party destroy government.
We study short term affect of imperialism on yank wages because first worldist heathen yanks cannot do it themselves. Yank wage decrease by 1.2% since war start to may, nearly one third of decrease of bidenomics.
>>2842314Why not? Itโs the perfect summary of the entire history of the site
>>2842315consent: manufactured
it truly is gamer time
>>2842315I canโt wait for them to not just do 9/11 but claim it
>>2842259jolly jolandi would make for good missile practice I guess
>>2842328Who died and made you general secretary?
>>2842322all thanks to the 13th amendment!
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
fun fact: california had a chance to outlaw prison slavery, but voters rejected the motion
New MOU just dropped.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-16/us-iran-deal-set-to-offer-iran-broad-financial-gains-to-end-warhttps://www.union-bulletin.com/news/national/us-set-to-offer-iran-broad-financial-gains-in-peace-deal/article_664bf5e0-ab49-520a-9d32-56a50d9d27ed.html- The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles.
- The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to respect each other's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other's internal affairs.
- The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a maximum period of 60 days, extendable by mutual consent.
- Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States Lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement.
- Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the Islamic Republic of Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran.
- The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, While ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days.
- The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, both primary and secondary.
- The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran's nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.
- The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region.
- The United States undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the United States Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like.
- The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.
- The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that an implementation mechanism will be established to oversee the successful implementation of and future commitment to the Final Agreement.
- Following the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and upon receipt of assurances regarding the commencement of implementation of Articles 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this Memorandum of Understanding, and the continued implementation of these steps, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States will enter into negotiations for a Final Agreement solely with respect to the remaining Articles.
- The final agreement will be approved through a binding resolution of the UN Security Council.
>>2842335tl;dr:
>Strait is open>ALL US sanctions on Iran are dropped>ALL of Iran's overseas money stuck in the US will be returned to Iran>Iranian nuclear program untouched>US will give Iran $300 billion for rebuildingSo what the fuck did the US even get out of this war?
>>2842338Stocks went up for the bourgeoisie via market manipulation
>>2842338What if the real war was the friends we made along the way?
>>2842338>>2842340The MIC used a bunch of its weaponry and now gets renewed contracts for more gold plated bullshit
Not that this would happen, but is the deal still on if Israel keeps doing Gaza in Lebanon but does so without US support or cover?
>>2842338>So what the fuck did the US even get out of this war?1905
>>2842338>So what the fuck did the US even get out of this war?Lindsey Graham:
>If as a result of the Iranian conflict, the war with Iran, we're able to open a pathway to expanded Abraham Accords, it will be one of the most successful military operations in American history.I guess that doesn't answer the question about what the US gets out of it, but that's not a relevant question. If we can just brighten one Jew's day, then the US truly got everything out of it.
>>2842344Israel can't win in Lebanon without US support. The deal also doesn't mention anything about Iran ending support for Hezbollah.
I think that once the deal is in place and Iran is committed to certain agreements that guarantee them some economic benefit Israel-USA will resume aggression against Lebanon. It will be limited at first and will be slowly ramped up over the course of years.
>>2842322surprisingly based for a reddit post. what sub is that? i thought they banned all the halfway decent subs
>>2842351some of the statements about jolani hinting that they might use syria as proxy. or covertly trying to restart the civil war. some of the maronite leaders have they they dont give a shit that their territory is occupied. as long as they can keep their culture and tradition in a mini mount lebanon.
>>2842338this is even better for iran than the JCPOA which donald said was unfair to the USA lol. JDPON DON
>>2842351the US doesn't really have much interest in Lebanon. they might give Israel weapons or intelligence/financial support at most.
>>2842349They absolutely can, but why would they, crippling hamas and hezbollah without finishing them justifies the continuation of ethnic cleansing and settling operations without much complications. They didn't even need to mobilize their economy or even a significant portion of their military forces since 2022 and they expanded quite a lot already
>>2842338>So what the fuck did the US even get out of this war?hype moments and aura, the stuff that really matters
>>2842356he was intimidated by the BPC, Big Persian Cock.
>>2842357That counts as USA aggression against Lebanon. Let's not play stupid along with the USAnians.
>>2842338>>2842335Trump was right, I AM tired of winning
>>2842357socrates polls
>if person A gives person B a gun, knowing person B will kill person C is person A an accomplice in murder?<99% answer yes>if america gives israel weapons, knowing israel will kill lebanese and palestinians, is america an accomplice in israeli genocide?<99% answer no >>2842338Yanks destroyed competing oil nation exporter infrastructure and became top oil monopolist and exporter since war started
>>2842024Aristotle said that some people were only fit to be slaves. I do not contradict him. But I reject slavery because I see no men fit to be masters.
-CS Lewis
>>2842368At the particularly large cost of future stability and sufficient local supply.
>>2842372
What's with all this lib talk? Of course fascists will eventually have the police state crack down harder on their political opponents. Repurposing laws like RICO is just a technicality.
>>2842322Sending this photo to the next lib who posts some shit about "slave labor" in China.
>>2842264LA is such a shithole. I went there because my ex interned at Universal, and it felt like a microcosm of everything wrong with America. The rich people live up in the hills looking down on you while you're surrounded by desperate drugged up freaks with nothing to lose.
>>2842398My bad, I just heard that before and quickly looked that up without noticing the units were different. I guess 5,277 people per square kilometer = 8,492 per square mile. So about equal. But I guess it depends on what land you include or not since so much of LA is unbuildable.
>It's especially tricky when city or county limits include tons of hills, mountains, deserts that are uninhabited which is the case in LA. Amsterdam population density is 12k-13k/sq mile. LA has neighborhoods with 40k, 30k/sq mile. >>2842202Honestly the cultural revolution just seems to be absurd mob justice and localist disputes given a veneer of โsocialistโ paint, I donโt think even the Chinese think it was good.
Like youโd be more likely to get small conservative towns lynching minorities during a decentralized cultural revolution than anything.
>>2842338>>2842346Ending Iranian support for the separatists would help USAian interests in the region a lot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_Resistance >>2842398The American divide between "urban" and "suburban" is really about white flight, redlining, and a long history of racial and political segregation. That's what we mean when we talk about suburban vs urban.
There was a joint anarchist black power zine that broke this down perfectly. They covered gentrification, the future of cities, and coined the idea of the "destitute suburb" as the new American reality. They used Ferguson as an example not just as a police issue, but as a symptom of shifting suburban demographics, funding, and living conditions. They called it one of the first modern American suburban revolts, and said we'd see more as material conditions deteriorate.
I'd love to find that blog again the analysis was exceptional. Black anarchist literature often feels more grounded than white American anarchism, and this piece had a sharp Marxist edge to it that really stood out. Anyone remember this?
>>2842407yeah we absolutely need to make sure this kind of stuff starts spilling over into suburban middle class areas. that's the only way to get these fag Americans to care. no one cared Keith Porter Jr, but they shut down cities for the white lady. the lower classes/permanent underclass are not "human" in the eyes of these comfortable treatlerites.
the popo killed a 1 yo baby in Mississippi.
>>2842403There was nothing in the agreement about dissolving the Axis of Resistance, and the text specifically states that it applies to Lebanon.
>>2842413fork found in kitchen
>>2842416the sadder party is that the us regime isn't a 300 million individual-party (of 1 person) system.
>>2842025>don't have any real answeranswer 1: stop voting for democrats
answer 2: learn from AOC and bernie that these people will always disappoint
answer 3: voting for a petty bourgeois blackwater merc is somehow stooping even lower than just voting for a AOC/bernie/zohran type
answer 4: literally any random worked picked off the street would have been a better candidate than plapner
>>2842416trotskyites splitting? how can this happen?
>>2842423All four points are the same point and dont actually answer the question
>>2842426wait PSL are trotskyist? I thought they based, wth is every single party/org compromised?
>>2842416Damn sucks to hear about that, the PSL does good work sometimes. Hoping all the best for everyone involved.
>>2842214>or do you believe the cops in the 70s were paranoid liars tooyes. are you dumb?
>>2842428how is "stop voting for democrats" not a real answer? especially ones that have AIPAC members in their immediate family and pretend to be "against" the shit they did for 20 years straight. like literally if you have to vote for a democrat at least make it an actual working class candidate, and not a business owner/soldier who went to war blowing up other people for "fun" even though his parents offered to pay for his college… like… what? how is that not an answer? I'm not even doing the felix thing of "DSA people must all be lynched." I'm saying just stop fucking voting for democrats holy shit.
>>2842429They're Marcyite Trots, so functionally indistinguishable from MLs. Cliffite Trots are the ones people associate with becoming neocons.
>>2842416>The overwhelming majority of such events are of no consequence to anyone.The saddest part is how true this is.
>>2842416>Somewhere in this country, a microparty of forty men is in the process of becoming two microparties of twenty over a question with no merit. Looks like PSL doesn't release membership numbers, but they got to have way more than that because I went to the last No Kings Protests, and there was one in my little suburb, probably only like 200 or something people there and there were like 6 PSL people. Think they were all Latino too and it's not like this area is majority Latino either. Mostly women too.
>>2842416Damn what a train wreck of a party
>>2842436PSL CHEKA IS REAL
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>>2842438>They're Marcyite Trots, so functionally indistinguishable from MLs. Cliffite Trots are the ones people associate with becoming neocons.Marxism lore more confusing than 2nd century Christianity
>>2842436>AI spyware system to make sure members dont read Jacobin on their laptopsholy based
>>2842446YOU WANT NORMAL?!?!?!?! WHAT ARE YOU FASCIST?!??!?!?!?
>>2842437protip: this is a blue maga bot website, you are wasting your time
>>2842401Wrong. Despite many mistakes and suffering most severe setbacks and heaviest losses, The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution was a resounding success. The remnants of exploiting class were eliminated. Soviet revisionist social imperialist were eliminated. Counter-revolutionary faction destroyed.
>>2842452it used to not be like this. now everything is either schizo maximalism or anarcho bidenism
>>2842436>>2842447Jesus thatโs bad.
Wouldnโt it just be a giant red flag to the feds: โthese are the people in our org we think you can flip against us?โ
Hoping anyone in the PSL stay safe
>>2842453but deng took power despite being called the number two capitalist roader by the GPCR. so the GPCR was a failure. people wrote scar literature and the chinese people look back on it as a tragedy of communists self-purging in the name of unachievable moral purity.
<Then in 1966 came the โcultural revolutionโ, which lasted a whole decade, a real disaster for China. During that period many veteran cadres suffered persecution, including me. I was labelled the "No. 2 Capitalist Roader" after Liu Shaoqi. Liu was called "commander-in-chief of the bourgeois headquarters" and I "deputy commander-in-chief". Many strange things happened in those days. For instance, people were told that they should be content with poverty and backwardness and that it was better to be poor under socialism and communism than to be rich under capitalism. That was the sort of rubbish peddled by the Gang of Four. There is no such thing as socialism and communism with poverty. The ideal of Marxists is to realize communism. According to Marx, communist society is a society in which the principle of from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs is applied. What is the principle of to each according to his needs? How can we apply this principle without highly developed productive forces and vast material wealth? According to Marxism, communist society is a society in which there is overwhelming material abundance. Socialism is the first stage of communism; it means expanding the productive forces, and it represents a long historical period. Only if we constantly expand the productive forces can we finally achieve communism. The Gang of Four's absurd theory of socialism and communism led only to poverty and stagnation. [โฆ] Certain individuals, pretending to support the reform and the open policy, call for wholesale Westernization of China in an attempt to lead the country towards capitalism. These people don't really support our policies; they are only trying vainly to change the nature of our society. If China were totally Westernized and went capitalist, it would be absolutely impossible for us to modernize. The problem we have to solve is how to enable our one billion people to cast off poverty and become prosperous. If we adopted the capitalist system in China, probably a small number of people would be enriched, while the overwhelming majority would remain in a permanent state of poverty. If that happened, there would be a revolution in China. China's modernization can be achieved only through socialism, not capitalism. There have been people who have tried to introduce capitalism into China, and they have always failed.- Deng Xiaoping, We shall draw on historical experience and guard against wrong tendencies, April 30, 1987
>>2842455i am increasingly thinking the vanguard party was the vehicle of the 19th century and early 20th century and now parties are mostly glow ops. i am scared to join any party and am becoming a decentralized CUMMunist schizo
cooperatives, unions, mutual-aid militias >>2842453if you think about it GPCR was kind of schizo. actual veteran cadres of the global antifascist war getting treated the same as landlords by college students who were still in their diapers when the japanese were raping nanking
>>2842458Iโm of the mind that the article was on point about parties preferring to organize โradicalsโ than people and think it gestures at course correction: namely breaking out of a stagnant circle of โintellectualsโ and โradicalsโ and into the broader populace.
>>2842401Wait a second. You talk about Grand Proletarian Culutral Revolution like it was BLM.
>>2842458>i am increasingly thinking the vanguard party was the vehicle of the 19th century and early 20th century and now parties are mostly glow ops.pannekoek-apology-form(1).png
you can go to the communizer thread now
>>2842464to the rad libs they think BLM was revolutionary
>>2842460They had actually too much authority if the article is right, it's kinda always like that with those kind of parties, you have a small circle dictating everything but pretending it's all democratic, at some point something breaks because they become out of touch and people can't swallow hypocrisy and power abuse when you had blatant incompetency to the mix.
>>2842461Despite excesses, remnants of landlords and capitalists would still be alive if not for Grand Proletarian Cultural Revolution. Like the professor who said Confucius wasnt a bad guy. He died in prison. And the girl who had to shoot her father because he was a landlord. The typical imperialists bad talk and mischaracterize the successes of Grand Proletarian Cultural Revolution because they would get skinned alive.
>>2842471I mean like actual authority like in the wider world or movement or anything. These parties are mostly glorified social clubs and they are trying to recreate the Bolshevik splits at their knitting club. Lol just look at /leftypol/'s history of splitting what is just a catgirl entgusiast imageboard.
>>2842475>only indians would be so base as to be racists who treat life as a zero sum game, and the brave whites have started to notice zero self awareness lmfao
>>2842411people do care. that's why they move there in the first place and vote to keep them out, dummy
>>2842475 (me)
for the record I'm not a /pol/tard I just found it to be an interesting read because it matches my experiences dealing with a certain kind of indians as a wagie. for the most part indians are normal americans but the corporate ladder climbing types seemingly always treat their interactions as zero-sum. i've been fired from a job just because the new indian manager got in a minor disagreement with me and i held my ground as the more experienced person who knew how to handle the issue but he was clearly very offended that i didn't just break protocol to implement his solution. magas also tend to be like this if you disagree with them, though maybe its just because i'm brown lol.
>>2842467>pannekoekHe said unions, he said militias, he didnโt mention councils. That syndicalist, not councilst.
>>2842439Walter gave a pretty good estimate of the membership count in the resignation letter
No I'm not gonna spoonfeed
>>2842477I will say that the kind of white people who built the "liberal world order" are going extinct and being replaced by magas and neocons with no long term planning ability.
I suspect it was caused by the Republicans marrying themselves to the Christian Evangelical movement and becoming a party obsessed with its own divine mandate.
Like yes corporate greed in America was always going to destroy the country but for the longest time there was a concept of a "sensible hand" of social-fascist liberalism holding it in check, and long-term planning to keep the social-fascist experiment going. Like both Democrats and Republicans opposed the Civil Rights Act but it was seen as a necessary evil otherwise America was going to collapse into another civil war. All those people are long dead and gone though. Now it's just a bunch of MAGAs engaging in magical thinking that because Trump is anointed by God everything he does will somehow work out even if it involves cheating or lying or fudging the numbers. It's a recipe for societal collapse but chuds don't care so long as their "honor" of a White Supremacist America is kept intact.
>>2842481Eh, America's cultural decline can be explained quite accurately by the bourgeois rot reaching the mainstream. It used to be the billionaires would have an army of middlemen keeping things afloat while they fucked kids. Now that army of middlemen are also fucking kids and most of them are just nepo hires. There's no one left to steer the ship. Covid was probably the last gasp of "sensible" politics in America and we saw how hard the burgerreich normalized antivaxxers.
>>2842486My point is that the things that guy is saying are "inherent parts of Indian culture" are basically features of how people are in the entire world, the broken water pipe story is something I see in America, UK etc all the fucking time
>>2842486>>2842484The right becoming more irrational should theoretically benefit the left because an irrational enemy who cannot make sober decisions is inherently vulnerable but the left doesnโt exist
>>2842489I mean Iโd think that Sorel kind of points out that irrationalism has its own strengths.
>>2842493Honestly true, to a certain extent you need to just do things, the left could probably take this energy on board a lot more
>>2842493The problem is when you feel yourself so superior that you think thereโs no way the enemy could ever outsmart you or adjust their tactics because theyโre dumb infidels or the inferior race or whatever. Nazis had that problem, the Confederates had that problem, the Israelis have been having it since 10/7 almost like these projects are similar or something idk.
>>2842455It might be by design if i were co intel pro man i might try to compromise some party leadership
>>2842489yeah unironically the conditions for revolution have never been better but there's no organizational willpower. there's no leadership. it's just a bunch of uncharismatic dorks and nepo babies like hasan.
>>2842488i think you're kind of taking the american system for granted. america is full of corruption but it's nowhere on the scale of india or africa. when you call a plumber you have a 10% chance of being scammed and a 90% chance of having your sink fixed, albeit with an upcharge. when you call a plumber in a lot of developing countries there's a very very high chance he doesn't actually know what he's doing but just got hired by his father. families have to develop their own networks of "knowing a guy" for every little thing because if you hire a stranger you WILL be scammed.
this is kind of where liberalism was revolutionary and why it won out up till now. the meritocratic system outperforms outright corrupt systems even if there are some corrupt elements in it that can be accounted for.
china itself has a massive corruption problem but because of the way the CPC is structured the buck tends to stop at high ranking government officials as no one wants to be held responsible for a dam breaking or a bridge collapsing. this is closer to america's corruption up until recently. there is an expectation that as you work your way up the system you are held to a higher standard of behavior and can have your career ruined over minor infractions.
meanwhile more undeveloped cultures like india have no high level efforts to root out corruption whatsoever and you will be actively punished, ostracized, or even killed for doing so. on the contrary in india the higher up you go the more leeway you get to be openly corrupt and abuse your employees.
>>2842498Well and KPD before the Nazis.
>"Nach Hitler kommen wir!"Actually the situation is probably a lot worse now than Weimar Germany. People act like the US collapsing would somehow lead to socialists taking power despite having the least arms and manpower of almost any group in the US. Scientologists are stronger than all the left groups combined.
>>2842475if this is true (idk how widespread it truly is) then i feel like its gonna disappear in the usa as new gen indian-americans come up and become more "assimilated" (best word i can find for what i'm going for here)
>>2842416PSL being fed-ridden? i think that's what every publicly facing socialist party is gonna face here in the us especially with cointelpro
>>2842501>the conditions for revolution have never been better hahahahahahahahaa
>>2842501My landlord (in the UK) hired some guys to replace the roof and it was so shit she had to hire another firm to do it over again. She hired someone to fit stairs, they weren't up to code, she paid another person to replace them but the lumber didn't fit, then she hired another person who finally did install them but did a shitty job and didn't fit the back panelling (which is just sitting in the hall now).
So I would say the problem of rampant incompetence/scamming is incredibly common in the trades in the first world as well, it's not a thing exclusive to the third world. And likewise the higher up in the ranks you go in the first world the more openly corrupt people are. The president is literally stealing billions from the USA.
Sure I'm not going to deny that corruption is maybe a bigger problem in the third world but that gap is closing IMO, and the difference is largely due to institutions not culture. My point is don't be a racist dumbass.
>>2842503>i feel like its gonna disappear in the usa as new gen indian-americans come up and become more "assimilated"To an extent yes but people don't tend to reject systems that enabled them to succeed if they are dependent on that system. So 2nd gen indian americans might be more "normal" because they had to go through the traditional education system(if that still exists in 20 years lol) and couldn't cheat their way through it. but their parents will still pressure them to behave the same way they did if that behavior is what enabled them to find success. and if their parent is say, a manager at Microsoft through exploiting the izzat system to get hired by an uncle, then the kid is also going to be hired by Microsoft fresh out of college and continue the familial trend, because it's the path of least resistance.
In fact it's actually rare for kids to reject their parents. Or not rare exactly but like, if you have a guaranteed position at Microsoft because of who your dad is there's no rational reason to reject it. Particularly if it also means you won't be punished for not being good at your job. Corrupt systems breed further corruption, not less. The only way to break it is if the government actively gets involved in enforcing meritocracy.
>>2842507We recently had someone fix our roof and they tried to scam us. They did the work and we paid them, then later the woman who owned the company said the sales guy we paid ran off with the money so she wanted us to pay her again. She fucked off after we quoted her the laws that say that's literally "not our problem" and ot is illegal of her to ask. Wouldn't doubt they were just running that together seeing if they can double dip from rubes.
>>2842507>And likewise the higher up in the ranks you go in the first world the more openly corrupt people are. The president is literally stealing billions from the USA.the point I was trying to make is that in the past under the "liberal world order" you had a bunch of political higher ups who cultivated an image of being no nonsense men of "reason". even if it was just an image, there was an expectation that political power came through merit.
As that system has declined in recent years, the corruption has gotten more overt and more extreme and the system has been less able to sustain itself as the retards openly fight with the "professional class". Trump and Musk being obvious examples but even lower down the totem pole you've got people like Hegseth, JD Vance, Kash Patel, etc. These guys are absolute morons that would lose a debate to a high schooler. None of them would have been anywhere near political power pre-Reagan.
>>2842502>>"Nach Hitler kommen wir!"There's no proof Thalmann actually said this btw despite "third period MLism" being a stupid policy and you being correct about accelerationism not working since it's idealist nonsense not a materialist-based structure which can be built off
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ernst_Th%C3%A4lmann#Disputed>>2842416Yeah I saw this but I'm not surprised. Any micro-sect group is bound to face either this or a slide into irrelevancy at some point - I just thought it would take more time to happen to the PSL. They've ultimately not ever been much more than a Chinese billionaire funded street protest group anyway.
>>2842070>Tom Tugendhatcome on that cannot be a real fucking name
>>2842437Because without action, it's meaningless bitching from edgelords.
You hate both parties? Wow. So unique. Take a number and get in line. Are you going to actually do something about it or are you gonna sit your ass down and bitch about it online for the rest of your miserable life?
>>2842083No, it's a code for irritating trolls who wanna suck their own dicks.
>It's a codeword for muh leftismNo, that's you incel bitches taking marxism rhetorically hostage again for the 1830948029385092834th time
>>2842521
I do organize with a communist org, you wouldn't know her though she goes to a different school in Canada
>>2842521
I think every communist org in the US is just a glowie op tbqh. Any org that isn't explicitly militant in its activities from the onset is going to be glowied.
>>2842083>Fascist=Mafia=FIFA=Soccer=Sokkker>>2842526Any "militant organization" that is open to random outsiders is 100% glowied. At least with the book clubs you have the plausible deniability of just being a nerd.
>>2842529>Any "militant organization" that is open to random outsiders is 100% glowied. At least with the book clubs you have the plausible deniability of just being a nerd.black panthers and bolsheviks were both open to "outsiders" actually wtf do you even mean by that how can you have a leftist org while gatekeeping?
>>2842484>I will say that the kind of white people who built the "liberal world order" are going extinct and being replaced by magas and neocons with no long term planning ability.the circle of life
it rules us all
>>2842497"The cult of action for action's sake," which dictates that action is of value in itself and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
>>2842531You seem confused about current communist power in the west. Leftist orgs are in no position to overthrow western governments using military force. In fact, they have no military power at all and currently little public support to build that power.
Therefore leftists who can barely get a bookclub to meet once a week should stay away from the more aggressive activities and focus on peaceful outreach. As they get more support and learn some opsec then they might not get crushed like the Black Panthers were.
>>2842539basing your activism on book clubs just invites college kids who have no appetite for revolution. it also poisons your group's ideology with bourgeois sensibilities. you see this shit constantly in western leftist circles: groups who pretend to be for the working class but 90% of their members are managerial class or the kids of the managerial class, and none of them have any sense of solidarity with the rough and "lumpen" nature of the working class. they become self-aware of this fact and just do events that look more like charity than actual activism because they want to feel useful to the workers but are scared of letting workers into their leadership structure and being pushed out by the actual working class who will naturally see them as class enemies if they ever develop class consciousness and the organizational power to see it through.
it's all a fucking larp.
>>2842542ngl this sounds like something Lenin would do and I actually respect it.
>>2842541>basing your activism on book clubsI wasn't saying book clubs are the ideal. Only pointing out if leftists can't even organize those without having a meltdown or splitting into 5 smaller bookclubs there is no way they can organize anything militant.
>college kids…bourgeois sensibilities…managerial class…actual working classThese are cultural categories, not class distinctions based on ownership of MOP.
Again if a leftist org can't even handle college kids who are interested there is no way they can handle militants. You have to crawl before you can run.
>>2842497>>2842498>>2842502I don't think Sorel's argument is just "be stupid" so much as that irrationalism is an important impetus for struggling through failure.
Y'know I was thinking of saving this for that Sorel thing I'm writing but I'll try my best to explain things here. Lemme give an example: Sociologists Richard Sosis and Eric Bressler examined several voluntary, often Utopian communities in the early 19th century United States. Many of these communities could be described as "Utopian Socialist" in a way.
The religious communities outlasted secular ones almost
4 times as much.https://websites.umich.edu/~satran/PoliSci%2006/Wk%203-2%20Religion%20A-General%20Sosis%20&%20Alcorta.pdf(Page 6)
Like this is something that I think people who disagree with Sorel should actually try to address: that if you look at the historical record, Sorel's claims about the power of Social Myth and irrationalism seem to have the weight of truth on its side. Y'know there were old Soviet satirists who once boasted, after visiting the U.S., that "The USSR knows where it'll be exactly in 80 years, the Americans don't." Well 80 years later the USSR was dissolved. The KPD lost to the Nazis, who they mocked for having an incoherent and vague party program. The Italian Communists had been outplayed by แดuแดlossnW and his goons, and while they got the last laugh they failed to actually achieve a Red Italy.
It seems, if we look at history, that it isn't the purely rational forces that always triumph over the irrational, but in plenty of cases irrationalism prevails.
Launching off from this, ages ago I recall someone claiming that Marxism was a salve to modern nihilism, or had its own answer to the problem of nihilism, which is that if there's no afterlife or God or spirit then we should be laboring as hard as we can to make
this life worth living. And while its a wonderful sentiment, apply that logic to explicitly revolutionary forms of Marxism and you can come to some troubling conclusions: if you die in the process of a violent revolution, which various Marxist intellectuals say
will be necessary, then you've essentially failed on an individual level. You don't get to experience the "better life NOW", you're dead, worm food, dust in the wind, etc.
Years you'd spend in trenches? PTSD from the thought of some drone swooping in and immolating you? Injuries sustained in battle? It's not even "oh the cause didn't win, so it was pointless", it's that you in particular died so you failed that "make life better for the living NOW" thing.
>"But what about your children and future generations?"Look at the collapse of birth rates throughout the western world, chances are the whole "planting trees under whose shade you'll never rest" shtick wont appeal to that many people because as far as they're concerned, the world ends with them and planting that tree comes with a high risk of cutting your own head off.
I believe it was during Sun Yat Sen's time he promoted "Dare to Die" corps of students who'd willingly sacrifice their lives to fight the Qing, Chiang Kai Shek took that to its logical conclusion and claimed that the "souls of the students" were watching the KMT and their families from heaven. Irrational? Sure, but it still understood the basic notion that people were going to die overthrowing the Qing and its smart to address that basic fear.
And finally: Sorel's disdain for compromise, bureaucracy, and intellectualism. Just look at how the liberal zionists crashed and burned while the Right wing ones, for better or worse, are still around an still a political force. Liberal Zionism, unlike its right wing counterpart, tried to defend the colonial project with these whiny appeals to reason. They would talk about the "complexity" of the situation, make it seem like it's simply too big or grandiose or nuanced to understand, but the end result was simply two camps dividing into whether the genocide of the Palestinians was good or bad.
Right now the establishment Democrats are hoping that after all the insanity of the Trump years, the notion of some "boring", ineffectual, "intellectual" establishment type will appeal to broad swathes of the populace, I fundamentally disagree. I think Sorel would, too. The effective thing about irrationality is it can maintain itself whereas appeals to reason collapse unless material circumstances are drastically changed for huge swathes of people.
>>2842083i say stop supporting democrats and cucked glowie parties, i get yelled at
i say stop being a schizo maximalist, I also get yelled at, and told i actually love democrats and DSA
every conversation must begin and end with pointless hostility. never ask anyone a question, just ASSOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
>>2842542Oh no! PSL lost relationships and legitimacy with…uh…Democrats?
I'm siding with PLS on this one. It wasn't that bad of an idea and was low investment too. Just make a few signs, try to steer the conversation to labour and hope that it might help kick off a general strike. And if it fails, so what? Only thing bad that happened was some spineless liberals who hated you anyway were miffed about it.
>>2842541>who will naturally see them as class enemiesMost workers don't even see their bosses as class enemies.
>>2842560>officer involved shootingthese faggots still using this clinical SJW language whenever a pigger plugs a human
>>2842560It's sad to say but I don't even get mad at this shit anymore because the police are basically the Reichswehr during Weimar - a state within a state - so unless you actually do something to directly slash their influence nothing will be done, but you can't do that because the workers are brainwashed to think that will cause The Purge and police unions are so strong they'll just sit on their hands and bitch about how every tiny crime during that period is directly the fault of whatever policies you suggested. We've unironically regressed from 2020's ACAB wave.
>>2842250>having true and correct arguments is called "going on a rager" nowDeng shed his own blood for Communism. you didn't.
>>2842559The problem is that PSL's main thing is showing up to protests and ranting about stuff. While that looks nice in the moment, it's as effective as the Trotskyists who show up to these protests to try to hawk their newspapers - that is to say, not at all. It's not that we can't have general strikes because of a "lack of conversation", it's because the material basis for one isn't there. Unions are weak and captured, people are apathetic towards labor and politics and sympathetic towards the capitalists… and even if we did start a general strike, it wouldn't do much beyond provoking at best minor reforms or at worst a straight-up crackdown as seen with Biden and the railroad strikes, because we lack a strong and unified mass workers' party to direct and address political questions towards the legitimacy of the state.
>>2842566what is the source of the text in your image
>>2842569ICE is still very active but burn out is real and overall nihilism has taken over. Even MAGA is nihilistic looking at it this year. No one believes a brighter future will occur.
>>2842569> is it just that we have to wait for a new crop of youngsters that aren't burnt out already for another wave of protests?most zoomers don't even have a sense of politics anymore - their political opinions come not from their own deductions of reality but from the most recent instagram reels they've viewed
>>2842569People realized protests don't do shit when the Democrats betrayed them.
>>2842571I've noticed MAGA have been hyperfocused on immigration, not just illegal immigration but immigration as a whole, and crashing anything and everything related to non-whites this year even moreso than before.
Like defunding education not because they disagree with it but because brown children might benefit from it. They see homeschooling as a way to economically drain non-white communities by defunding schools for example. It's more like total misanthropy. Shit is getting bleak. We are definitely getting a civil war in our lifetime but Leftists are still asleep.
>>2842569They mostly just lack a clear alternative to rally behind, which naturally leads to a sense of hopelessness. We need to rebuild the fragmented worker base and destroyed and co-opted union base and channel that through a clear alternative to the status quo.
>>2842573Zohran won because of massive, historic youth turnout. Zohran himself isn't as important as the fact that people believed there was an alternative, so they became excited to engage with it. And of course he's not the only example of this. People want change but if you don't make it seem possible they stop caring. This is just doomerism.
https://www.nycvotes.org/news-and-press/articles/2025-primary-election-turnout-soars/https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2026/04/more-new-yorkers-voted-last-year-any-mayoral-election-1969/413224/ >>2842577Zohran winning is a fair point, i've probably just gotten more cynical lately - i guess i'm looking for signs of nation-wide class consciousness rising (ie expansion of unions especially in historically non-unionised areas like tech)
still i'm willing to bet if you asked any zoomer what's causing problems around the world, they'll go "israel and trump!" (the symptoms) instead of "capitalism!" (the disease) - i do understand though we aren't going to turn the whole working class against capitalism in a day, after all this is america and we've had cold war propaganda shoved down our throats since birth
>>2842577the frustrating part of campaigning for "change" is you need to appeal to bourgeois platitudes like Zohran to get anywhere. the zoomers somehow still think communism is bad and still think capitalism is good and still think things like "the free market" and "the american dream" are real. it's incredibly annoying how if you just come out and say what change would actually entail suddenly you filter 90% of zoomers who just want capitalism but with healthcare.
>>2842567It's from the Google Doc written by the PSL wrecker/splitter/renegade.
>>2842562Mistakes were made. Tell your truth. We see and hear you. I'm sorry you feel that way. Maybe a therapist could give some good advise?
>>2842565>it's as effective as the Trotskyists who show up to these protests to try to hawk their newspapersUsing big signs and trying to go viral is more effective than newspapers. Even if only as less wasted effort than writing articles if nothing sticks.
>the material basis for one isn't there. I agree. The message itself wasn't the best but the idea behind it isn't necessary wrong. They are a fairly small organization and need to get in larger movements in order to grow. Trying to talk to people in protests isn't fundamentally wrong but clearly they need more honed messages.
>>2842584how do you create a mass community for leftists while also filtering out all the most toxic leftists that infest sites like twitter/youtube and spend all their time arguing about "left-wing psychology" aka shaming people for existing.
seems like leftism has been fully absorbed into the internet culture and leftists have developed a reputation for just being no fun allowed woke dweebs that will shame you for being in a relationship with a 3 year age gap.
>>2842569THERES AN ANDOR SCENE ABOUT THIS
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YL3_G7ag0XY?feature=share"The pace of atrocities outstrips our ability to understand it"
in the old days, they used treats and single family homes and consumerism and "muh American dream" to keep the masses dull, but as more people became politically active, they realized that the more you push back, the more they push back harder. so they wiped out the leaders who they thought could be a real voice for change (malcolm x, comrade Hampton) and they engineered a new coalition of libtards to take over over these movements through cia plants (like Gloria Steinem) and created the "new left" (look it up). essentially, the philosophy was just that if the masses must be enticed to "rebel", let them do it and get it out of their system without allowing these movements to really gain traction and push for more radical change. that's why all the people who brought radical ideas were disappeared and replaced with cringe SJW activists. that's why you've had decades of stupid fucking protests, that have perplexingly attracted so many people, but have produced no real change whatsoever. liberals were intentionally pushed into infesting leftist spaces because the ovevrseers know that libfags will shout and bitch about for a few months and then lose energy and stop caring and go back to their lives. they are, in my opinion, the greatest threat to our existence as a sociopolitical movement. not the conservatives, hell not even the fascists. whatever threat those two may pose is nothing to the fact that liberals are literally rotting out the entire ideology from within. literally when I went to a may day parade last month I swear I saw more trans flags than red ones. more liberal slogans than labor ones. not saying that I'm anti trans or someone who doesn't support intersectionality, but you guys understand the general discontent Marxists have for woke cultural movements that focus only on identity politics, right? but to reiterate, yes, liberals who control the other half of American sociopolitical background are soy little fags who don't have it in them to bring about any real change. they'll get riled up, and then run out of gas and go back to their brunch.
>>2842593Yeah, that is what I mean. Churches manage it. Like we just need a truly "inclusive" space and community just with some kind of standards of decorum. It isn't that hard.
>>2842596churches operate with everyone being equal under god and expected to have a sense of humility when they're in god's house.
meanwhile every leftist i've ever met is so self-assured in their ideological superiority that they are willing to burn the world to the ground if it means winning an argument. doesn't help that their arguments are usually just reactionary "icks" and "vibes" caked in the language of Marx without actually understanding it.
I'm not sure how we'd develop a new kind of leftist community but it absolutely has to be irl. Leftists are incapable of organizing online the way rightoids do. We just hate eachother too much.
>>2842602Based, fuck Christianity though
>>2842603Yeah, I'm saying look what they do right. I can't get down with Christianity for the obvious reasons, but honestly from like a personal level, I'd probably much rather be part of a group of Christians than leftists except for the crazy dogma.
>>2842602>>2842605You guys are buying the propaganda. Christians are incredibly fractious. Churches and lifelong friendships split over the interpretation of verses and personality clashes of pasters all the time. Anyone struck by the Holy Spirit can give some wild prophesy and if you don't believe it you might be devil worshiping demon possessed Satanist.
>>2842611I know how they are. I have interacted with them. Not all Christian churches are the same. I alluded to too I would probably be a Christian if not for the fact that means accepting everything in tge holy bibble as the word of god. They are more pleasant people to be around than leftists
>>2842416<"he said: 'I think New York is the new model for the new concentration camp, where the camp has been built by the inmates themselves, and the inmates are the guards, and they have this pride in this thing they've built. They've built their own prison and so they exist in a state of schizophrenia where they are both guards and prisoners, and as a result they no longer have, having been lobotomized, the capacity to leave the prison they've made, or to even see it as a prison'. And then he went into his pocket and he took out a seed for a tree, and he said 'this is a pine tree'. He put it in my hand and he said 'escape before it's too late'<My Dinner With Andre (1981)>>2842569>Almost no protests about the Iran war at all.I wonder why anti-Israel protest is so marginalized?????
<The Issue of Israel Is Ending Democracy In Michiganhttps://www.dropsitenews.com/p/university-michigan-palestine-protests-federal-indictments-nessel-sayed>I guess the ICE stuff was the biggest It turns out that liberals do not support Zionism when the IDF trained AI generated occupation is in their own neighborhood doing their fascism at home.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_on_Colonialism Verse 1]
Add a little sugar, honeysuckle and
A great, big expression of happiness
Boy, you couldnโt miss with a dozen roses
Such would astound you
The joy of children laughing around you
These are the makings of you
It is true, the makings of you
[Chorus]
The righteous way to go
Little one would know
Or believe if I told them so
You're second to none
[Verse 2]
The love of all mankind
Should reflect some sign
Of these words I've tried to recite
They are close, but not quite
Almost impossible to do
Reciting the makings of you
[Chorus]
The righteous way to go
Little one would know
Or believe if I told them so
You're second to none
[Verse 2]
The love of all mankind
Should reflect some sign
Of these words I've tried to recite
They are close, but not quite
Almost impossible to do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW33M7GB7VsReciting the makings of you
I love America. Greatest culture and country to exist.
>>2842612>They are more pleasant people to be around than leftiststbf Christians are currently the wealthiest and most politically influential group in America and their guy Trump is in office. That puts them in a good mood. But as soon as a liberal is in office or they lose some money everything about them turns sour. If a leftist ever get into power they will suddenly talk real big about the Anti-Christ and Satanism. When it comes down to it they will be American fascism's most devoted soldiers exactly as it was with the Nazis.
>>2842626There are endless churches, you being brought up in Joel Osteen doesn't mean anything in the wider subject.
Anyways, yeah Christianity bad, it means you have to subscribe to the torah which is nothing but evil nonsense. Even just sticking to Christ I am npt ๐ฏ but like he is the only agreeable part out of the book in the slightest.
>>2842631islam is the only true path
>>2842640i want to add on and say that this is in part a byproduct of our education system flanderizing socialism to just mean social democracy.
these are actual graphs i was shown to me in my *required* econ class back in high school. i cannot blame the average zoomer who actually thinks socialism is just a short word for social democracy if it's all that the ruling class has taught them.
hell, my cuckservatives friends back then unironically said "america was less capitalist during fdr" no it was not!!! it was still capitalist as it still had the capitalist mode of production!!!!
>>2842651funny story from my ap gov class back then actually, they had us do this political test that was basically all "racism is good" or "gay men should not be in the army?"-esque things. the more you agreed with the statements, the further right you were.
i answered 0 to most of them and i was identified as a communist. i did identify as such back then, but the point is that the test had ZERO economic questions - nothing about "do you want workers to own the means of production" or even "should businesses be regulated".
that's how uneducated kids are about alternatives to capitalism - they aren't even asked to think about them hypothetically! the best that the state could come up with were myriads of social policy questions and nothing about economics
>>2842490>appealing to the better angels in all of usisn't that heresy in catholicism?
>>2842631>Joel Osteen doesn't mean anything in the wider subject.Americans can only think of their goofy televangelists instead of it's larger influence.
Around the world Pentecostals are estimated at 280 million and Calvinists at 100 million.
Those numbers clearly do show something about the wider subject.
Seriously, who do you think is behind all the right-wingers in South and Central America? Evangelicals were behind Bolsonaro and Lula won't live forever.
>>2842546Sorel, Mosley and Chiang?
Is there a single fascist you DON'T like, Myles?
I can see what you're angling for here, it's a combination of your precious cult with Communism. Your "myth" is the invisible tyrant that lives inside your head, the long-dead schizophrenic Hebrew man who you seriously believe you can have conversations with, but despite his omnipotence he speaks in riddles which can only be interpreted by a fascist pedophile.
You want to mix Marxism, which is a rational ideology, with religion, which is irrational. You can as easily mix those as oil and water.
There is absolutely no place for your cult on earth, it should be exterminated with the absolute MAXIMUM of prejudice. You know every bit of it's history with GLADIO and Banco Ambrosiano. You know how the Vatican financed every death squad and fascist in the world since 1945. You know that it blessed every fascist and helped Hitler and แดuแดlossnW loot nations. You know how it was spread through the sword, through genocide and slavery. You know that it was one of the largest land owners and a pillar of the feudal world order, the whip hand of the monarchy that kept the toiling masses in line.
That is why you are a part of your cult. Because it is precisely as reactionary as you are. It is an unvarnished force for reaction in the world and it will be destroyed. With any luck, you will go along with it.
There is no Catholic Marxism, and there never will be.
By the way, nice video game reference. You really can't open your mouth without referencing one of your precious treats, can you?
>>2842552Eat shit, Salicious Crumb. Kill yourself. You don't even have the guts to admit you're a fascist like Myles does, you just hide on his shoulder laughing at his jokes like a fucking coward. You have no value in the world, and everything would improve with your absence from it.
Remember, this is what our prophet Engels said about Christianity.
>The history of early Christianity has notable points of resemblance with the modern working-class movement. Like the latter, Christianity was originally a movement of oppressed people: it first appeared as the religion of slaves and emancipated slaves, of poor people deprived of all rights, of peoples subjugated or dispersed by Rome. Both Christianity and the workersโ socialism preach forthcoming salvation from bondage and misery; Christianity places this salvation in a life beyond, after death, in heaven; socialism places it in this world, in a transformation of society. Both are persecuted and baited, their adherents are despised and made the objects of exclusive laws, the former as enemies of the human race, the latter as enemies of the state, enemies of religion, the family, social order. And in spite of all persecution, nay, even spurred on by it, they forge victoriously, irresistibly ahead. Three hundred years after its appearance Christianity was the recognized state religion in the Roman World Empire, and in barely sixty years socialism has won itself a position which makes its victory absolutely certain.
>If, therefore, Prof. Anton Menger wonders in his Right to the Full Product of Labour why, with the enormous concentration of landownership under the Roman emperors and the boundless sufferings of the working class of the time, which was composed almost exclusively of slaves, โsocialism did not follow the overthrow of the Roman Empire in the West,โ it is because he cannot see that this โsocialismโ did in fact, as far as it was possible at the time, exist and even became dominant โ in Christianity.
Christianity = Socialism.
>>2842674Put your tripcode back on you fucking coward.
>>2842680>Meta-commentary about some imagined identity because he is to cowardly to respond to what was writtenyawn
>>2842674You left out the next paragraph.
>Only this Christianity, as was bound to be the case in the historic conditions, did not want to accomplish the social transformation in this world, but beyond it, in heaven, in eternal life after death, in the impending โmillennium.โAnd later:
>We therefore see that the Christianity of that time, which was still unaware of itself, was as different as heaven from earth from the later dogmatically fixed universal religion of the Nicene Council; one cannot be recognized in the other. Here we have neither the dogma nor the morals of later Christianity but instead a feeling that one is struggling against the whole world and that the struggle will be a victorious one; an eagerness for the struggle and a certainty of victory which are totally lacking in Christians of today and which are to be found in our time only at the other pole of society, among the Socialists. >>2842687>an eagerness for the struggle and a certainty of victory which are totally lacking in Christians of today and which are to be found in our time only at the other pole of society, among the Socialists.But maybe he has it backwards don't you think? Where are these socialists? I certainly see a lot of Christians.
>>2842682>>2842689Like everyone else afflicted with your particular brand of mental sickness you are very good at cherry picking arguments then picking and choosing what to believe.
Your cult has no place in a free world. It is a.pox on the earth and not even worthy of any argument beyond rifle fire.
>Who more than self, our country loved>And mercy more than lifeWhat do you guys think that line means? "And mercy more than life"
>>2842693We're kind of circling around to the original point, you know you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
>>2842674Have you ever seen an American Christian? These people are seriously mentally ill. How do you even become so needlessly vile? American liberals are already more than evil enough.
>>2842695I don't catch insects, I kill them.
>>2842699You and what army? Very edgy aren't you.
>>2842697All Christians are mentally ill and should be treated as such. The clergy are active predators who should be exterminated with the utmost effort. They are basically the equivalent of a slave master and they should not be allowed to exist on earth.
>>2842697 (me)
Christian apologia by itself is very interesting and honestly I have no problem with Christians in my country as long as they don't get any ideas, but the whole complex around American Christians in particular is so vile and revolting. Teaching creationism in schools? Seriously?
>>2842700Identifying yourself as an insect is the only time a Christian will ever be correct.
>>2842704You seriously believe that a schizophrenic Hebrew carpenter rose from the dead 2000 years ago and you can have a conversation with him if you just concentrate hard enough. You are seriously mentally ill and are likely beyond any real help. You should be forcibly institutionalized and the monsters who did this to you should be shot where they stand.
>>2842706God works in mysterious ways.
>>2842707God isn't real. You are mentally ill.
>>2842712Why would I tell a fictional character anything? God isn't real. You are mentally ill.
>>2842546No one cares, LLMfag
>>2842665>You don't even have the guts to admit you're a fascist like Myles doeshe literally presents himself as gay nazi
>>2842743I hate small capitalists
>>2842651I think this is definitely oversimplified a bit, but my real issue is that New Zealand is labeled more free market capitalist than the USA?
>>2842777I think you're just pretending not to understand the point I'm making. You're a retard anon. That's what you are a big retad. A big fucking retard.
>>2842779No I understand what you mean, Iโm criticizing the use of such a stupid graph.
>*required* Econ class in high schoolThis lowers your credibility significantly, donโt use something from a high school course, much less describe it as such as though that means something. Have a fun time in college though :)
>>2842743Boomercons love Israel because they've been ideologically indoctrinated to love every manifestation of US imperialism. Fox News hosts love Israel because they're paid to.
>>2842789So happy that imperial loot and plunder is being distributed more equitably among the Volksgemeinschaft! Epic (national) socialism win!!
>>2842791>VolksFactory status?
>>2842793The presence of actual communists traumatizes you so much you think anybody who offers criticism of American Nazism is the same person. Sad! Trust me when I say that outside of the golden billion, in the throngs you consider less than human, the sentiment about your โsewer socialismโ is shared
>>2842795hey felix who are you gonna bust a nut on next? I nominate Vance that would be funny
>>2842802Because then it would have to mention the fundamentally reactionary anti-communist tendencies of the original โsewer socialistsโ. This latest iteration is even MORE fascistic and genocidal, amazingly enough, but of course thatโs considered a positive to Axios and the rest of the western left
Also fitting that itโs called sewer socialism: it provides socialism to the golden billion and consigns the subhumans of the imperial periphery to the sewage in the process
>>2842789Axios is a glowie news front funded by tech bro giga porkies, take anything they say with an atom of salt
>โThe DSSA and American โleftโ is even MORE genocidal than the Nazis!โ
<โProve it.โ
>โW-wellโฆ theyโฆ they just ARE.โ
>>2842810The GWOT alone killed at least as many people as Jews allegedly died in the Holocaust, to say nothing of the countless innocents tortured and mutilated for the sick kicks of freaks like Platner and Sabotabby. All done with the explicit endorsement of the western left, save from your typical performative โprotestsโ that BY DESIGN do nothing and change nothing as everyone participating in possession of an autism score above 90 knows. And Americans greatly benefited from this and other genocidal imperialist wars and still live off the spoils of the imperial periphery
>>2842814So what? Someone has to die for the sake of developing productive forces, if thereโs a choice Iโd prefer it not to be me, my family, or my community
>>2842810A less emotional sounding version of his argument is something like this:
- DSA is pro imperialist because Michael Harrington created the DSA as a split from another party over the question of Vietnam. The founder of DSA was pro Vietnam War.
- Therefore DSA is the same today as when Michael Harrington founded it.
- DSA doesn't fight American imperialism but wants redistribution of "treats" to the "herrenvolk" in the empire.
- The DSA diverts working class revolutionary energy from anti-imperialism and revolutionary communism into reformist circle jerks and democratic party dickriding
- Therefore the DSA is at least partly responsible for all the genocidal imperialism the US military and US government did since the DSA was founded, because they diverted energy away from fighting that genocidal imperialism.
I don't entirely disagree with this I just would lay off the browbeating about parties and try to get people more familiar with the specifics of US imperialism over the past 5 decades. A lot of kids getting into DSA and shit just don't know the history so when someone browbeats them without teaching them any of the history it feels like wrecking to them.
>>2842810>>2842814>>2842816… do you really feel that way?
>>2842818All of which is not only completely indisputably true but that youโre incapable of even arguing against because itโs like arguing the sky isnโt blue. The only thing you left out (intentionally) is that people getting into the DSA know either from the getgo or very early on that it is a fundamentally militant neo-nazi organization which allows them to LARP as communists for clout. It is these reasons and many more why so many people rightly call the DSA the most powerful explicitly national socialist political organization in America
>>2842820Why shouldnโt I? Marx praised the conquest of Mexico and genocide of Amerindians, called the Taiping rebellion reactionary, and praised the East India Company.
>but he was wrong, ur a naziSomeone always dies or gets displaced by historical progress, by the building of productive forces, if thereโs any choice, yes Iโm choosing other people, socialism is about self interest and I and the American proletariat will act accordingly contrary to the PhiloOrientalists.
>>2842821>The only thing you left out (intentionally) is that people getting into the DSA know either from the getgo or very early on that it is a fundamentally militant neo-nazi organizationactually i think people are ignorant more often than they are malicious. i am consistent on this. people are largely stupid, ignorant of history, doomed to repeat it. i do not think the average worker is a serial killer demon in human form who writhes their hands and cackles in their lair at the prospect of mutilating children across the ocean for treats. if that were the case class struggle would be hopeless.
>>2842821you intentionally ignored this part:
>I don't entirely disagree with this I just would lay off the browbeating about parties and try to get people more familiar with the specifics of US imperialism over the past 5 decadewhy didn't you respond to that part? why not educate people if you want them to leave DSA? If you conclude that someone who joins DSA is a serial killer demon you don't have to educate them. and you can endlessly postpone the militant action.
Imperialism is good, thereโs no proletariat at all if there is no imperialism
>>2842826>trollinghow quaint
>>2842821>>2842814PhiloOrientalism isnโt politics, youโre nothing but a phrasemonger
>>2842829why do you guys always cook up the most schizo and reactionary shit response to enable him? and why do the common sense replies get ignored? This place fucking SUCKS
>>2842827Itโs the truth, socialism only comes from imperialism, the most advanced capitalism of the 19th century was British, the most advanced capitalism now is the NATOsphere. The complete collapse of the OrientalPeasant socialist sphere in the 20th century proves it.
>>2842830If you want productive, sensible discussion get off the internet
>>2842832people in real life are even harder to talk to. they just interrupt you, change the subject, prevent you from bringing certain stuff up, get coercive, get violent, get argumentative, suddenly have to go, leave the room, play dumb, etc.
>>2842832also in real life you have to say everything off the dome. you don't get to think slowly and edit your post as you type it. it's actually remarkable that people are still dumb in a medium where they have the opportunity to be thoughtful.
>>2842837(you)s hit like a cigarette after sex (a reactionary fascist treat) and trolling and bad faith are by far the most efficient means of getting them
>>2842821If you claimed the DSA is a militant Neo-Nazi organization youโd be laughed out of the room by everyone: liberals, actual neo Nazis, hell the only people thatโd probably agree with that statement are Zionists
>>2842839The best part? You donโt have to actually so anything outside of just ordinary living and trading things with dollars, mmm delicious third world blood and tears nom nom nom
>>2842777>>2842779>>2843780Not the same op but Glowonmyous definitely meant to reply to someone else not you.
On the high school course thing, sure itโs gonna be oversimplified but it shouldnโt be spreading deliberately false information - North Korea according these graphs is already a classless stateless moneyless society (regardless if you support them or not you have to admit this is inaccurate) unless you use this messed up definition of communism where itโs all about โthe stateโ (Lasalle over here)
Take it like this, would you be ok with high schools teaching that the Earth was flat to โsimplify things?โ
>>2842851What good is being a mayor anywhere? Nothing can come out of it
>>2842849Sucks but if itโs not their kids itโll be mine
>>2842852DC is kind of its own special beast, the mayor is also technically governor more or less since DC is a state in all but name
Also having socialist aligned mayors is objectively a good thing, you have to build working class power from the ground up and win shit at the local level
>>2842855Until they get the DC police to kill everyone in congress and the FBI headquarters at least Iโm not interested
>>2842854Median DNC voooter
>>2842823>if that were the case class struggle would be hopelessIt's almost like that's the conclusion you're supposed to reach.
>>2842854>>2842859Isnโt this board famous for saying shit about how the rest of the world wants to kill us and the only way we can eat is by killing people in the periphery? Donโt see what the complaint is if thatโs how people want us to think.
Bruh, none of you guys are going to do anything but shitpost on a containment website for hurmorless off-putting weirdos. Chill out.
>>2842869This is true of the whole internet, itโs why no one is having kids, internet is more convenient
>>2842872I have kids and I still post here becuase I have a petty bourgeois treatlerite labor aristocrat work from home job that I lucked into because of white imperial core privilege and also knowing people and also just generally being a non confrontational bootlicker. Honestly I just want everyone to live like I do, but that probably isn't possible so instead I should be thrown into the salt mines and worked to death. It is what it is. I accept my original sin and pray to felix for a painful death.
>>2842865it's also why he selectively didn't reply to that particular post. it's very telling which posts he ignores, which posts he replies to, and when he does reply, which posts he cherrypicks which sentences to reply to while ignoring the rest. he thinks he's clever but really it's obvious.
>>2842854>Sucks but if itโs not their kids itโll be mine>>2842816>So what? Someone has to die for the sake of developing productive forces, if thereโs a choice Iโd prefer it not to be me, my family, or my communitySo these are uncontroversial posts that received no replies from the anti-treatlerite warriors
>>2842818>I just would lay off the browbeating about parties and try to get people more familiar with the specifics of US imperialism over the past 5 decades. A lot of kids getting into DSA and shit just don't know the history so when someone browbeats them without teaching them any of the history it feels like wrecking to them.but this one made them rage for some reason
I read yesterday on my goybrick that a bunch of christian schizos planned to attack the white house ufc show with drones
do you guys think it's yet another psyop or maybe it was #real this time?
>>2842885How do you afford kids? Iโm gay so itโs not relevant but my labor aristocratic treatler factory job is leaving me with just enough money to pay rent and groceries, for any extra bills I have to mow peopleโs lawns or work overtime.
>>2842891USAtanists! We don't want you on this board! We don't want you on your stolen land! We don't care what class you think you are! We don't care what you think your "relation to the means of production" is! Your entire country was founded on rape, genocide, slavery, betrayal of treaties, wars of annexation, etc. You were imperialists before you came under the influence of Zionism, and you will remain imperialist after every last Zionist, man, woman, and child, is turned to ashes for their crimes. Truth be told you didn't come under the influence of zionism, you were the influence for Zionism AND Nazism. Manifest Destiny is Lebensraum. Manifest Destiny is Greater Israel. Your puritan ancestors were the original zionists. And I don't care if you're African-American and your ancestors were brought over as a slave. You have been a collaborator since the Civil War, and even more of a collaborator since the Civil Rights Movement. You have never fought for indigenous sovereignty, only for equality with your former masters. And I definitely don't care if you came Europe after the civil war. You are still guilty. Moving to America after the Genocide was finished and Slavery ended, is like moving to Israel for the kibbutz right now. You let others do the crimes so you could benefit. You are just a more cowardly than average settler. Total Settleroid Death. I don't want you to go back home. I want you to die. Do you understand? There is no convincing me that you are a class ally or even a decent human being. Your individual characteristics do not matter. Only liberals believe in individualism, trial by jury of peers, presumption of innocence, etc. Communists understand that entire populations of people, especially settleroids, can be guilty from birth. Including the children. Stop hiding behind your anchor babies, settleroids. I don't want your "reparations" anymore. Just kill yourself painlessly now with a bullet, a rope, or a long fall, and save yourself from the righteous torture of my cadres. There is no peace treaty. You don't get to become the good guy in the third act. I don't care if you betray the empire starting now. You won't be spared. There is literally nothing you can do to change my mind about you. Even if you kill yourself I will still piss and shit on your corpse given the chance. You deserve to be raped and tortured but you have the opportunity to spare yourself by suicide. But we will never ever ever remember you as anything less than collectively guilty murderers. Your time of evil is over.
>but my ancestors did that, not me, i'm one of the good heckin onesboo hoo
>>2842893The main MAGA UFC fighter got his shit completely kicked in so they donโt want to look like sore losers
>>2842895If you actually felt this way you wouldnโt post, you would do 9/11 2 but you wonโt because youโre a pussy like everyone else
>>2842894>How do you afford kids?barely. and i said kids plural, but really i just have 1 autistic (diagnosed, not using it as a slur) kid. and it took me like 10 years of working at the same place and licking boot to get to that status. but it's still imperial core white privilege because i recognize i'm working from home and shitposting between teams messages and goofing off, while most people are squeezed to the last ounce of blood for the socially necessary labor time of commodity production. i'm an asynchronous tech service worker, basically the most do-nothing labor aristocrat outside maybe a mobster who got a no show job.
>>2842898>>2842898mossad did 9/11
mossad tricked trump into destroying the us empire
long live the butcher israel, who killed the burger reich
cronus castrated his father uranus
so too does israel castrate his father america, the way america castrated his father england
this is the imperial cycle
>>2842899How did you avoid getting fired due to either LLM hype or outsourcing to India? My boyfriend is an accountant and ended up having to train the Indians who replaced him at his work from home job after like three years, poor Indians thought he was going to be their Kohai, not their manager but someone they could ask questions to and get help from.
>>2842901big companies will fire you over nothing
small companies will fire you over nothing
medium companies will fire you over nothing
my secret is i started at the company while it was still small, worked really hard until it grew into a medium sized company, wormed my way into a department that has less oversight and supervision because the work is too "confusing" for business majors to micromanage, and kicked back in a sinecure. Also I have noticed that once you are in a position like this, the less work you do, the less people are angry at you. The thing about work is if you do a lot of work, people will pay attention to it, and give you negative feedback in the hopes of "improving" you. But if you don't do anything, nobody has anything to "review" and complain about. You sort of disappear into the background and collect a paycheck. As long as you respond to messages and pick up the phone and act friendly everyone likes you. Meanwhile the people who actually bust their ass have to constantly deal with "Feedback" and receive criticism instead of thanks. Those people are overworked and grumpy so the higher ups don't like them, because higher ups only care about how nice you are to them when responding to them.
It's stupid but it's true.
>>2842900Maybe Iโm stupid but I donโt think itโs very realistic for Israel to be the next center of the imperial core. Itโs a small country with a population of 14 million and there simply arenโt enough Jews in the world that could theoretically move there and cleanse all the land that would be needed for the Greater Israel project of Manifest Destiny in the middle east. Theyโre currently losing in both Gaza and Lebanon, not a single military objective besides getting the hostages has been completed.
>>2842904This meshes really well with the Dilbert hypothesis, that you take the worst workers off the floor and out them in management so they canโt fuck up operations too much
>>2842906I took that post as a joke. I want to say China will be the next hegemon unless they really hit the big red button in 2050. And you know what? fuck it. I'm gonna say it. They "earned" it. Earned it in the sense of the zero sum psychopathic struggle for power. If they really are going to throw the ring in the volcano (heckin pop culture reference, please execute me by firing squad), I will respect them. But I will also respect them if they just take power and wipe us the fuck out.
what's new in the free world?
>>2842909Chinese can be smug nationalists but not even the smuggest Han chauvinist is interested in world conquest
>>2842907Another thing about the milieu of petty bourgeois treatlerites I have tripped over my own giant dick and landed in is that they care way more about appearances than effort. They respect a person who takes time off to get their hair cut and attend their doctors appointments. If you stop going to the dentist because you're too busy working they respect you less. They basically view you as an irresponsible fool who deserves to be worked to death. That's how they really look at it. They don't think "oh wow we should give those people higher wages and more time off so they go and fix themselves up." They think "wow they're very irresponsible and deserve the station they are in."
You see the same thing with how some say the middle east deserves to be bombed by America because our lifestyle is superior and more free… like gee maybe did it every occur to you that we're keeping those people in """underdeveloped""" conditions by bombing their infrastructure and schools back to the stone age?
It is what it is. I get felixposting. I should probably be buried under a jail.
>>2842910i am zionist. i am treatler. i am epstein. and i'm vewwy sowwy uwu pwease dont huwt me ๐ฅบ๐๐
>>2842913That's probably the world in general. Looks and resources are really what's most important for most people. Maybe if you're handy they'll keep you around.
>>2842473The irony. The fascist sorelite talks about red paint.
>>2842401 If Stalin did Grand Proletarian Cultural Revolution before he died, social fascism never would have existed. Russia would be Communist right now.
>>2842926He should be the last white man alive to be kept in a zoo
>>2842546Lenin said Sorel was "devoid of thought" and "anti-Marxist." Why do you dick ride him
(You are Epstein. You are Platner. You dickride Sora Kingdomhearts) >>2842935Wild considering Sorel was the earliest defender of Lenin in the west
>>2842935>(You are Epstein. You are Platner. You dickride Sora Kingdomhearts)page refresh jumpscare
>>2842932lmfao
>>2842926Incredibly hideous and unfunny. Only retards watch this loser.
>>2842947oh no. my feelings are hurt. someone on an imageboard said i was bad.
>>2842951You sound mad with this lame preddit response. Consider going back, or fuck off to /isg/, parasite
>Platner slaughtered innocent civilians in the middle east he can't be anti imperialist
Then by those standards Iran is also not anti-mperialist I assume?
Checkmate ultras.
>>2842952when the imageboard is finally pure all posts will call all other posts preddit and nobody will say anything else
>>2842577>>2842851She is protected democrat, not socialist. She is democrat party. If she socialist, she would be banned from democrat party. Fearmongering dickriders say same thing every time, but Ziohran shake trump hand.
>>2842952why should anyone seek your approval
>>2842964Because I am a real communist you treatlerite predditor.
>>2842936I have the citations here. A fool could defend any man, but sorel was a machist.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1908/mec/five6.htm>โEverything that is not thought is pure nothing, since we can think nothing but thoughtโ (p. 276). You are mistaken, M. Poincarรฉ your works prove that there are people who can only think what is entirely devoid of thought. To this class of people belongs the notorious muddler, Georges Sorel, who maintains that the โfirst two partsโ of Poincarรฉโs book on the value of science are written in the โspirit of Le Royโ and that therefore the two philosophers can be โreconciledโ as follows: the attempt to establish an identity between science and the world is an illusion; there is no need to raise the question whether science can have knowledge of nature or not, for it is sufficient that science should correspond with the mechanisms created by us (Georges Sorel, Les prรฉoccupations metaphysiques des physiciens modernes [Metaphysical Preoccupations of the Modern Physicists], Paris, 1907, pp. 77, 80, 81).https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/granat/ch06.htm>For a critique of Marx from the point of view of anarchism, see V. Cherkezov, The Doctrines of Marxism, two parts, St. Petersburg, 1905; V. Tucker, In Lieu of a Book [in Russian], Moscow,1907; Sorel (a syndicalist), Social Studies of Modern Economy, Moscow, 1908. >>2842967prove it with action not words
>>2842971I don't need to prove anything to you. My very existence is an action which brings terror to the hearts of Sorelian Epsteinite Machist Social-Fascists like you. You should kiss my toes and pray to Marx and Lenin for redemption, but it will not save you from the wall. My justice will be swift for my cadres never miss, even though you are not deserving of a swift and merciful ending.
>>2842958Iran never killed innocent civillians
this shit's hilarious
not bumping so it doesn't give (you)'s
>>2842841DSA was founded by an american liberal, which is synonymous with white supremacist.
>>2842841DSA was founded by zionist as well
Cummieism.
>>2843002That was the GDR
thank you mr very real communism for telling me, an american, that communism has nothing good for me and that i ought resist it with all my might, i now know that all real communists are my enemy
bythe way why do you glow like the sun at night
>>2843009Who? Me? DSA founder was anti-Communist. He supported war against Communist Vietnam. He supported zionism. DSA not Communist.
>>2843019it's fake. no source. no study. just say whatever the fuck you want on x the everything app blaze your glory
>>2843019Machines are better than humans. Fantasy is also better than reality.
>>2843024Does this mean the SPD are Marxists because they were founded by Marxists? They had the personal approval of Engels no less! I don't even like DSA that much, but this is terrible reasoning.
>>2843042Little known fact, the L in ML stands for Lassallean
>>2842839That's how de-Stalinization went down in the 1950s.
>>2843060Word associating Osoff with gooning will probably improve his polling, actually
>>2843019spending time on dating apps is like spending time at the casino. the house always wins and women are evil. there's literally no point to using a dating app in 2026 when only the top 1% of men get any responses. if you're not in the top 1% you're just window shopping.
>>2843019>>2843028we are all heckin kokiri now
we all have heckin navis
just like in my vidya james
>>2843042Damn. I was hoping you were talking about someone else and not a butthurt dickrider. SPD were social fascists. SPD was denounced by Marx and Engels multiple times. Critique of gotha programme. Critique of the erfurt program. DSA and SPD is still zionist today because they fail to heed Marx lessons, like you.
>>2843120>DSA and SPD is still zionist todayHere's an article from zionists complaining about the DSA being antizioinist:
<the far-left group advances anti-Zionist campaigns, Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) initiatives, and rhetoric that ignores or even tacitly endorses antisemitism and Palestinian terror groups like Hamas.<The DSA portrays Israel as a โsettler-colonial, apartheidโ state and asserts full solidarity with the Palestinian cause, calling for โthe end of Israelโs colonization and occupation of all Arab landsโ and the โright of all refugees to returnโโa demand that would effectively eliminate Israelโs identity as a Jewish state https://www.ajc.org/news/democratic-socialists-of-america-who-they-are-and-their-stance-on-israel Free the Archipelagos
>>2843173ah but you see anon also wrote an article complaining about DSA being zionist so it balances out
>>2843173Communist manifesto say bourgeois incorrectly call things Communist. Anti-zionist label same. Same publication calls bernie sanders (literal ziosettler) anti-zionist.
engels donated part of his fortune and his and marx entire library to the SPD as the ultimate flex on them. The money inconsequential, but I'd do exact same thing if i was engels rich with cpusa, psl, etc., because lord knows only a library may help those absolute dunderheads have slimmest chance to stop decieving and start helping proles.
>>2842899yell at me if i'm getting a bit offtopic here, but as an autist myself is it wrong for me to not want to have children at all unless i know for certain that my spouse is also autistic too?
i had a pretty hard time growing up and i don't want to wish that upon my kids unless they had complete support of both parents
>>2843230Well if you believe in Jesus, you don't die anyways.
>John 11:25-26: "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
<VidrelIs what an average trip to the burger joint is like in America.
>>2843230Bros, how do we stop the Christians from launching nukes and murder-suiciding the world?
>>2843218>Communist manifesto say bourgeois incorrectly call things Communist. Anti-zionist label same.trvke
>>2843120>SPD was denounced by Marx and Engels multiple timesNo they weren't lmao. Here's a letter Engels wrote to Marx's daughter after the SPD swept the 1890 elections.
<Since last Thursday evening, when a flood of telegrams with the news of victory arrived here, we have been in a constant state of euphoria, which reached its climax, at least for the time being, when word arrived this morning that we have received 1,341,500 votes: that is 587,000 more than three years ago. And stillโthe orgy might recommence Saturday, since the amazement surrounding our success is so enormous in all of Germany, the hatred against the fraud of the โCartelโ[1] so powerful, and the time for reflection so short, that new successes, just as unexpected as the ones last Thursday, are certainly possible, though for my part I am not expecting as many.[2]<February 20, 1890, is the day marking the start of the German Revolution. https://germanhistorydocs.org/en/forging-an-empire-bismarckian-germany-1866-1890/friedrich-engels-to-karl-marx-s-daughter-on-social-democracy-s-prospects-after-the-reichstag-elections-february-26-1890Prior to 1914, Lenin also regarded the SPD as the leading Marxist party in Europe, which is why he was so taken aback by their failure to abide by their own resolution to refuse war credits.
>>2843060The geriacatariat still love him. Boomers are all like this
honkoid status?
>>2843244Read Critique of gotha programme. Read Critique of erfurt programme. Marx Engels denounce the programmes that were foundations of SPD, outlining many problems that would cause SPD failure.
>Prior to 1914, Lenin also regarded the SPD as the leading Marxist party in Europe, which is why he was so taken aback by their failure to abide by their own resolution to refuse war credits.You assert Lenin was just some surprised idiot. Lenin predicted ww1 and how social chauvinists would react years in advance. You speak as if Lenin did not expose time and time again revisionist and colonialist sections of SPD for years beforehand.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/apr/00.htmLenin expose SPD months before ww1 happen. A common theme of lenin after ww1 began, he says the SPD degeneration from proletarian into imperialism was inevitible and result of continuation of decades of errors which even marx and engels exposed.
>>2843264Marx and Engels criticized certain individuals and tendencies within the SPD, however they never broke with the party as a whole.
>Lenin predicted ww1 and how social chauvinists would react years in advanceSure but he didn't expect the SPD to flip to social imperialism so totally. This is why he spoke of a betrayal of the working class by the SPD leadership. How could there be a betrayal unless he considered them to be authentic socialists before that?
So does our century of humiliation officially start now or did it already begin a while ago?
>>2843279If there is a marked thing that defines "Stalinism" it's the tendency to collapse "all intermediate factors" to quote Lukacs "and to establish an immediate connection between the crudest factual data and the most general theoretical proposition." What that means is that theory, strategy and tactics all get mashed together so even when they make a tactical decision that is correct in the situation, they go back and alter the theory to say that's what they were always going to do (and also by implication that everyone else must do everywhere in all times because Marx/Lenin blah blah blah).
>>2843285Don't worry bro, we made it to the end times. This will be the millennia of humiliation for mankind.
Nearly a quarter of Puerto Ricans have served in the US military, despite it being an oppressed nation inside the US
>>2843246>geriacatariatBanger
>>2843292do people still fall for this shit?
Trump has "blamed" Vance for literally everything that has gone wrong since the day he selected him as VP. That's his job, protecting Trump from criticism by taking the blame so MAGAs can continue worshiping Trump.
For fucks sake Hitler did the same thing.
>>2843298bad boyars good tsar ahh
>>2843279what the fuck is critical support anyway
>>2843286That's not unique to "Stalinism." Any success can create this type of thinking in people who don't care to separate out different causes and effects.
>>2843292Rubio is a Hispanic POC and has a better chance at the presidency than Vance.
>>2843292>>2843298It's interesting how the Vice Presidency seems to be the most chaotic role within the federal government, its importance wildly shifting from one era to the next.
Like historically you've got the folks that think its useless, hell I believe Teddy Roosevelt was selected as a VP originally because they wanted to put the progressive candidate as
far from power as possible, but then he got the lottery win of McKinley dying at literally the start of his term and he became President immediately. Then it became some "grooming a successor to the current administration" thing like an apprenticeship, but now with Kamala and Vance it seems to be a means of having an official presidential whipping boy to offload all the unpopular decision making onto with the
presumption these people would inherit the presidency while they sabotage their own future campaign.
>>2843303In theory its supposed to be "I will support X even if I have problems with Y and Z elements of X." In practice it seems a lot of people misunderstand the "critical" part of "critical support" to be an adjective referring to how diehard your support for X is.
>>2843292between rubio and vance if vance gets kneecapped now it's probably good. He actually seems like he could somewhat hold together a maga coalition, while rubio seems like a just a return to the unpopular blatantly neo-con shit that is incredibly unpopular. Not that it matters when the dems will be nominating another vapid, centrist, genocidaire to crash and burn against either of them.
>>2843292Wonder how much he regrets taking the VP job.
>>2843308She has maralago face and she didnโt even need plastic surgery
>>2843292if JD was smart he'd be able to come out of this with the best reputation seeing as he was allegedly the only one opposed to the war in the first place. but he's retarded.
>>2843312beauty is more than skin deep buddy
>>2843314Now is not the time for that, he's saving that gambit for the primaries
/USApol/ belongs in /siberia/
>>2843322He's comfortable in his own sexuality. I can't believe self proclaimed leftists are being so homophobic towards a worker.
>>2843310He doesn't regret it at all. He's probably the most psychopathic member of Trump's cabinet, in contention with Hegseth and Trump himself. He does not feel regret. He only wants power and being VP puts him incredibly close to the Trump cult and inner circle so he can maneuver for power. Trump disliking him is irrelevant when he's only a bullet away from ascending to the throne.
>>2843315And sheโs even more hideous on the inside lol did you forget weโre talking about fascist MTG?
>>2843324I don't think he wants to be closely associated with this abomination of an administration. Chances are he'll dip out of politics in next term or two and go into lobbying or whatever.
>>2843339how long will people in states like oklahoma keep shooting themselves in the foot to own black people until their state becomes nothing more than a cyberpunk (without the cyber even) corporate hellhole
>>2843234>Bros, how do we stop the Christians from launching nukes and murder-suiciding the world?that's the neat part. you don't. they are convinced they are right and when jesus still doesn't show back up when the world is literally an uninhabitable ball of fire, they won't have to live long enough to apologize for being wrong. and even in that situation they would still probably find a way to rationalize it as prophecy fulfillment. they are hallucinating 24/7
>>2843324I bet he regrets being the scapegoat for everything. Also Trump could live another decade or two given how much money he has.
>>2843334That doesn't explain why he agreed to be VP in the first place. He could have stayed a senator the whole admin and patiently taken the time to figure out what's next.
vance has no chance in 2028, he has the stink of trump on him. The person who can pull off uniting the maga base with the neocons will win the gop nomination….they will then go on to lose to a democrat
>>2843286I'd say that the two most irritating trends I see among MLs are their inability for criticism without rupture, and their insistence on projecting recent mistakes onto the more distant past. The conversation about the SPD ITT is a great example. Because the SPD cucked out and became the left wing of capital, this means that this always had to be the case, and there was never a time when it was considered by pretty much everybody to be the world's leading Marxist party. Never mind what Lenin and Engels said about them, they sold out later on so that must mean they were sellouts from day one! Somehow through I don't think anybody would make such an assertion about the CPSU. Nobody would claim that because Gorbachev was a libtard who sold out the Russian Revolution this must mean Lenin was as well.
>>2843354there are no popular democrats. it's going to be harris again and she's going to lose again despite the odds because she is a fundamentally incompetent person that slept her way to the top and people can smell the incompetence on her but the dems won't allow anyone else to get the nomination.
if it's newsom the GOP is in trouble but newsom won't get the nomination because he isn't a black woman in an era where the democratic party is defined more by the Diversity Matrix than by ability to win elections.
in terms of politics they're basically identical though so I don't really care, just wanted to push back on the assumption Dems will cruise to an easy victory when they consistently pick losing candidates through internal politicking.
>>2843356I was the guy arguing that SPD was bourgeois imperialist demons earlier, but i guess you are correct. SPD was genuinely proletarian until like 1885. DSA always imperialost on other hand.
>>2843363You are reading the democrats wrong. They just want someone not republican to win the presidency no matter who. Harris lost way too badly so they wont back her. Newsom is the current frontrunner for a reason. Iif he wins nomination they will pick a POC woman as VP to appeal to the idpol freaks.
>>2843351>That doesn't explain why he agreed to be VP in the first place. He could have stayed a senator the whole admin and patiently taken the time to figure out what's next.Yes he could have. But he's politically inexperienced and Peter Thiel pulled some strings and made the VP spot available. I doubt he was expecting the admin to be this much of a flop and such a stain on his career.
>>2843409
the great issue about electoral college: a presidential candidate from cal and a vice from nyc, could amass the largest electoral base possible, but the salty <5 million population states for simply being a bunch of reactionaries, won't allow that.
yes, I am talking about south dakota, nd, louisiana, mississippi, iowa, alabama, and similar shit holes.
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what are you basing this on? Vance is not popular in the rust belt. he's not popular anywhere really.
hell trump is a new york slumlord and charmed the entire republican base into worshiping him. regional "favorite son" politics doesn't exist anymore.
>>2843342>simping for MTGthe >barely< criticism of israel doesn't put her on the sympathetic position.
lemme know when she connects the dots between israel, and the american genocide of indigenous people, or the reparations to Afro-Americans and the indigenous people; and it's not a posturing that only gets nazi votes.
>>2843348christcuck genocide now
>>2843428>>2843348You are all worse and more despicable beings, I will kill you first before my "christcuck" relatives. Like you kinda people don't know what time it is. There is a lot more of us out here than you with armaments and whatnot.
>>2843432Nah you would more likely do a murder-suicide than whatever you are fantasizing.
>>2843432if it makes you feel better even though i also believe in total christcuck genocide i'll be using my guns to secure a wife during the collapse instead of shooting up christcucks. i dont give a fuck about punishing christcucks for their endless attempts to destroy the planet. they will face their own justice. being excluded from the world that comes after will be punishment enough.
>>2843432Bring it, foreskin chopper
>>2843436>if it makes you feel betterYou are a completely useless faggot. You have not stated your purpose for responding here. Nobody was talking to you.
>>2843432Do you ever try to be likeable?
>>2843440I am infinitely more likeable everyday. You people need serious help.
>>2843442Sorry for not wanting the Earth to become a fireball shlomo.
>>2843445I wouldn't fuck the pussy you fuck, you undoubtedly fuck the most disgusting obese bitches that ever existed. Dude,(I won't use the chan uyghur parlance) I will smack the life out of you. You are nothing.
>>2843442>You people need serious help.Regan told a story about Christians gleefully murdering their children and the audience cheered. That fucking unhinged.
>>2843449Atp you need any pussy you can get.
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>>2843648>>2843457>0% black supportHe isn't making it out of the primary lmao
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