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>>2850757 Communism becoming an identity is the worst thing to ever happen.
You may say
<bbbut I am someone who takes my ideology seriously and attempts to separate ego from the theory and practice, to truly hone it like a blade in the present moment!
But you don't. You refuse to budge with your rigid beliefs because it was the only way you could make friends on the internet. It was the relgio that gave you meaning when you were at your lowest point, and without it you would feel empty, and as if you'd wasted all these years being "different" and feeling like you know the real truth behind history and politics.
But you're just some guy.
Superior communist steel folded 9000 times
>>2852065That just links to the main DSA site, what's the point being made here?
>>2852065I have, which will surprise you not a little, been speculatingโpartly in American funds, but more especially in English stocks, which are springing up like mushrooms this year (in furtherance of every imaginable and unimaginable joint stock enterprise), are forced up to a quite unreasonable level and then, for the most part, collapse. In this way, I have made over ยฃ400 and, now that the complexity of the political situation affords greater scope, I shall begin all over again. It's a type of operation that makes small demands on one's time, and it's worth while running some risk in order to relieve the enemy of his money.
- Karl Marx, Letter to Lion Philips. 25 June 1864, preserved in Marx-Engels Collected Works, Vol. 41
>>2852064People with jobs and kids, who hate capitalism but don't want to risk their own lives, and those of their loved ones, for some fantastical "imminent" civil war and would instead prefer to do normal but progressive politics, people who actually do hate capitalism and would like to transcend it, but who don't give a flying fuck about your obsession with Enver Hoxha or permanent revolution or fucking labor aristocracy or any of that…
Those normal people with friends irl and prospects and partners and loved ones… They infuriate you.
Because they're enjoying their lives while you aren't.
Because they haven't trapped themselves in a self imposed prison of an unsolveable moral quandary.
All while look at AES states and say "hmph… Not real socialism…"
Buddy. Social democracy is socialism in practice. It is a slow walk. It is sustained effort passed down through generations. Everyone else is following the collective intuition. And you are doing nothing. You are forming microparties of absolutely no consequence. You are lonely. You are afraid to be wrong.
You are afraid to be wrong.
So you will hold ideals so impossible to meet that you will never act.
Waiting for the day to finally come where you will be proven right.
And you will die, bitter
You will die without ever changing a thing.
>>2852065Somehow, the mensheviks returned
>>2852065You know that's a troll post, right?
>>2852065And it's not real. If you fell for it you're a sucker
>>2852077he is reappropriating the fake post to make his own point. that's how teh internet works
>>2852075the real working class all have portraits of enver hoxha in their house and read all of das kapital in 1 hour after work. you just dont talk to them. i'm the one who's really in touch.
>>2852065sorry ultra but this is socialism with burger characteristics, stay mad
You are an American line cook in a midsized Midwest town Chili's ๐ถ๏ธ, and you are also somehow a Gonzalist Shining Path Maoist. Do you really believe in yourself that much? Or is this an identity you put on to overcompensate for your own insecurities in the real world? A real world that happens to be capitalist? You are afraid to participate in the rough and tumble world of humanity. You are afraid to hurt someone. It's a fair reason to be reticent. But history is full of compromises. And you latch onto your subconscious moralism. God is dead, but you resurrect him with every decision you make. You resurrect the dead God every time you sit down and decide that the others who are affecting change with their actions, grabbing the capitalist bull by the horns, are simply misguided or deceitful.
But that is your own personal scar of distrust. That is your perfectionism. It is not the truth that the collective feels in their heart. That is you setting yourself apart from the Masses you hold so dear.
>>2852084
>maybe it's real, maybe it isn't
weird translation for "i believed a twitter screenshot as evidence and now I'm backpedaling into agnosticism"
>it's so believable in the first place
is it though
>>2852084
>the fact that I believed made up shit means it's believable to everyone else, and the fact that I fell for a slanderous twitter screenshot is proof that the slander is spiritually true.
you strike me as the type of person who would take part in a lynch mob or a witch hunt based on vibes and zero evidence
>>2852065"Yeah we killed Allende. So what?" - Houdini
>>2852084It's not really believable unless you already view the DSA as non-socialist, though. Or maybe you're fishing for (You)s and I'm naive for replying.
>>2852083Can I at least quit and work at Red Lobster instead
the real movement is denouncing every party while joining none
>>2852089Red lobster is red for a reason, comrade ๐ป๐ณ
>>2852090Do you do this from your smelly incel childhood bedroom?
>>2852090Like playing with dolls
>>2852093
I hate platner and I'm not a fan of the DSA but you can criticize them for their actual problems instead of making their critics look like boomers who fall for the most obvious fake shit
>>2852093
Factory status?
>>2852091Not quite, it's denouncing every existing party while saying you're in the only "real" communist organization. What's the organization? Well wouldn't you like to know, fed?
>>2852098platner's not dsa tbf
>>2852098>I hate platner and not a fan of DSAYou believe your opinions mean anything. You believe that having the "correct" stance matters at all.
>>2852103you fell for a twitter screenshot and now you're doing this fake struggle session bullshit where you say my stance doesn't matter while wielding your equally meaningless (and constantly shifting) stance like a chainsaw
oh wait you're probably not the same anon who fell for the fake shit, you're just rushing to their defense and changing the context of the discussion to your own derangement
>>2852103you believe this
you believe that
no i wont ask you questions
i just get to make up your mind in my own head and have smug feefees about it
I used to think Trump being so retarded and dems doing nothing about it was going to push der burgervolk left but coming here it seems he has the opposite effect and everyone is ready to stay in the DNC plantation 50 more years
>>2852109And are you gonna elaborate on how you reached that conclusion or…?
>>2852110It's not my job to educate you
Zizek in 2008:
>Ideology works by saying "It works even if you don't believe in it"
Now, I would say in 2026:
>Ideology doesn't work, even if you force yourself to believe
tired of these do nothing weirdos seething about DSA in every thread. no they aren't great but there is no bolsheviks in the USA. point to them and I'll join them. they can't. they won't. they call you a fed if you ask where the real party is. they won't ever answer "factory status?" they're just negative. all they do is tear down everyone else and exalt themselves. it's really narcissistic and toxic bullshit that would just get you punched in real life which is why they only do it on here.
all they do is denounce denounce denounce the DSA in chorus with the demokkkrats and reuthuglikkkans, and they'll just make up in their heads a caricature and stick with that no matter how much you try to clarify they won't believe anything you say and find a way to twist it into their own made up interpretation, like idealists instead of materialists
>i don't want my tax dollars going to israel's genocide of palestinians.
<yes you do. why? cuz i said so
>i want to build schools and hospitals here instead of blowing them up somewhere else
<no you dont. why? cuz i said so.
it's just this on repeat. if you don't do shit in real life shut the fuck up.
it's never left enough for you but if it was you would purge everyone to your left too, for being "ultras". you see yourself as god. you get to purge everyone to your left and your right, because you know the exact temp the porridge should be. except you can't actually purge shit because you're just a poster.
>>2852109the DNC plantation is seething right now
>>2852119This is true. However I do think we need to be measured to some extent, the DSA is currently backing an imperialist war criminal for elected office, they're hardly perfect
>>2852121>the DSA is currently backing an imperialist war criminal for elected office, they're hardly perfectstalin backed churchill against hitler, sometimes life gives you hard choices
>>2852121>the DSA is currently backing an imperialist war criminal for elected officewho
>>2852121Platner isn't even endorsed by the DSA tho
why did so many anons do a 180 on the DSA in the past few days? just because they won elections?
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[โฆ] it is only possible to achieve real liberation in the real world by employing real means, that slavery cannot be abolished without the steam-engine and the mule and spinning-jenny, serfdom cannot be abolished without improved agriculture, and that, in general, people cannot be liberated as long as they are unable to obtain food and drink, housing and clothing in adequate quality and quantity. โLiberationโ is an historical and not a mental act, and it is brought about by historical conditions, the development of industry, commerce, agriculture, the conditions of intercourse.
- Karl Marx, The German Ideology, 1845-1846
>>2852127it's not a 180. they still suck i'm just sick of people who do nothing but complain. like actually build a real alternative to them. all ruthless criticism no real movement in this mf.
>>2852127it all began when zohran beat aipac sponsored cuomo
>>2852129They're just young and going through growing pains. We'll have to wait and see.
>>2852129The funny thing is the very nature of the DSA makes building a real alternative from within them probably the most viable strategy, as seen by the actual existing ML caucuses. But if you even suggest that to some people they'll denounce you as a Nazi and come up with lurid fantasies about their "cadres" executing you
Every demand of the simplest bourgeois financial reform, of the most ordinary liberalism, of the most formal republicanism, of the most shallow democracy, is simultaneously castigated as an "attempt on society" and stigmatized as "socialism". And finally the high priests of "religion and order" themselves are driven with kicks from their Pythian tripods, hauled out of their beds in the darkness of night, put in prison vans, thrown into dungeons or sent into exile; their temple is razed to the ground, their mouths are sealed, their pens broken, their law torn to pieces in the name of religion, of property, of the family, of order.
- Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852)
>>2852110by reading this thread and seeing people get called sectarian anti-communists if they are not inside the blue maga socdem hypetrain
>>2852119Tbh I think our attitude towards the DSA should be that it's helping to cultivate a broad worker's movement which is necessary to give birth to a communist one. Social democracy eventually reaches a stage where it becomes reactionary, but only when it becomes an obstacle to the further advancement of worker's power rather than a benefit to it. Eventually you reach a point where they might say, intervene on the side of the ruling class against a worker's uprising like in 1919. However such an uprising wouldn't have been possible in the first place without the foundations laid by social democracy in the 19th century.
>>2852080as we all know, workers are incapable of doing the conceptual work that comes with marxism and they never read stuff. this is why if you don't think wholesome corporatist 1000 year social democrat reich is socialism properly understood you're an ultra trot wrecker leftcom bordigger anarchist etc etc
>>2852136there are unironic iww affiliates in dsa, though the socdems are a minority
>>2852138t. retard with a book club of six equally insufferable people he calls a communist party
>>2852138>The DSA is not a party but a wing of the DNC.The DNC: no it isn't, we hate those people don't associate them with us
Trump: actually every democrat is basically a scary DSA socialist
terminally online MLs: DSA is not just democrats, it's actually worse than democrats, it's stopping the real movement of me and my 6 hoxhaist discord buddies
it's funny how the DSA makes literally everyone seethe
>>2852144Yeah yeah yeah, as soon as you win they'll have you kissing the ring in no time. They'll shower you with money and invite you to all the parties and you'll just fall in line
>>2852143>>2852144>>2852145Do you deny the DSA only runs registered Democrats?
And also do you deny that Democrats where the overseers of the Gaza genocide?
>>2852147Do you deny the arms factories in your state are intact and fueling said genocide?
>>2852147No. But have you presented any actual alternative? Moving the country left to social democracy is at least better than the status quo. Of course we could come up with a party with better politics than DSA but it wouldn't have any members.
>>2852147Do you deny that the DSA isn't an official party yet because the current situation would make it impossible for such a party to win?
Do you deny that they only run anti-genocide Democrats?
>>2852147even if you find this tactic faulty (most of the DSA at this point would agree!) to paint the DSA as one and the same as the democrats is stupid
>>2852150Asking him to present an alternative? What are you some kind of fed???
>>2852147the DNC dosent control registered democrats, there is no whip, there is no party discipline, having a D next to your name only really matters so that no other person can have that D.
Can I just say the multi-thread obsession with the DSA is solid evidence that the people who throw around Nazi accusations are more responsible for the dismal state of this board than anyone else?
Like there are other things to discuss but weโve got a cabal of like 3 or 4 people who will endlessly complain that you have to hate Zohran to be a โtrueโ communist.
>>2852158I'll be honest, this trend of calling anything remotely left wing that isn't waving banners of Stalin in public "Nazism" just cheapens the word. Much like turbo-zionists crying "antisemitism" over people saying that genocide is mmmbad actually
>>2852150You are not moving shit left. You are just admitting that you want American imperialism to benefit more people in America, this is not how that system works. It only paves the way to fascism. Any small gains still rely on American imperialism continuing.
>>2852151Win? Win what? You gave the game away with that answer. You just want to play the same game the capitalist plays. It is not about socialism or communism or class, just ballots and false promises as well as capitalist lobbyist pigs donating to your "cause". The point of the communist party is not to "win" in elections, but to organize the masses towards revolution, and winning an election does not mean pushing for slight reforms, it very well means exposing and putting the politicians life on the line to halt any and all actions of imperialist legislature. You and your ilk quickly try to paint random people and naysayers as the ones who have to put their bodies and lives on the line to stop imperialism (through adventurist means no less), but you never hold your idols in the DSA to the same standard.
A true communist politician who takes office is not the figurehead of the party but only a member. They should be prepared to die, face imprisonment, and do whatever is necessary to expose the capitalist pigs within their midst in those gaudy halls. Would a Mamdani or AOC do such things, of course not, they will just glam it up for a camera and call for "bipartisanship" calling the reactionaries "friends" while turning their face serious when on the podium to their constitutes seconds later calling for "change". They are not communists because they have no party except the democratic party. They are beholden to capitalists. You say this is steps towards a new party but it is exactly the opposite, servitude to the old state because you just want to be the old state and "win" in their little games.
>>2852136>Social democracy eventually reaches a stage where it becomes reactionaryit reached that stage more than 100 years ago
>>2852164>You and your ilk quickly try to paint random people and naysayers as the ones who have to put their bodies and lives on the line to stop imperialism Actually more often than not you people denounce them as fascist anarkkkiddies because they did it while being the member of the incorrect organization. Of course, we aren't allowed to know what the correct organization is because then we'd wreck it
>>2852158Has anyone mentioned Palestine for a reason for hating Zohran? I bet not. It should be top of the list as far as I'm concerned.
>>2852164>They should be prepared to die, face imprisonment, and do whatever is necessary to expose the capitalist pigs within their midst in those gaudy halls. Why don't you do it then, hypocrite vanguard-sama?
>>2852169>Why don't you do it then<You and your ilk quickly try to paint random people and naysayers as the ones who have to put their bodies and lives on the line to stop imperialism (through adventurist means no less), but you never hold your idols in the DSA to the same standard.Why don't you have your beloved candidates do this? You and your "party" have "power" don't you?
>>2852161It's absurd. It's like six degrees of Kevin Bacon but once the connection is made people insist you
are Kevin Bacon.
>>2852168There's valid critiques of Zohran on the issue of Palestine (for example he still hasn't fired that cop that protects land sales from Pro-Palestine protesters) but that's never engaged with as a reality, instead its turned into histironic claims that Zohran himself is a Zionist or that there's no shade between him and an IDF guy blasting a kid's head open in Gaza.
It's like if you see someone who's trying to lose weight and one day they eat a cupcake, so you declare they're a binge eater with a terrible diet based solely off that one cupcake.
>>2852165Yeah and then the entire worker's movement shat the bed after 1991 and we're starting again basically from scratch.
>>2852172>the entire worker's movement shat the bed after 1991Idealism, but more importantly, western-centric idealism. The USSR especially post Stalin was not the beating heart of the worker's movement, far from it. You all just point at a dates on the board and think history stopped or started at that point/points.
>>2852171>It's absurd. It's like six degrees of Kevin Bacon but once the connection is made people insist you are Kevin Bacon.Honestly that's probably the best way of putting it that I've seen. Like hell just in the last thread there was someone claiming that an outspoken anti-Zionist DSA candidate was actually a Zionist shitlib because she's vaguely connected to some guy who knew some guy who worked for an organization that worked with Bernie Sanders. Like at that point you might as well claim that Lenin was a Tsarist wrecker
>>2852178what party are you in
man who names himself jizzveins
"and that is why i am the one true marxist and you should take me very seriously"
>>2852172so to rebuild the workers movement you have to support the guys that wrecked it in the past
sounds smart
>>2852184another inter-dengist conflict
getting tired of these
>>2852185>so to rebuild the workers movement you have to support the guys that wrecked it in the past>sounds smartexactly
leftism is always the left wing of capital
and left communism is an infantile disorder
and social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism
and liberalism is fascism
but conservatism is just communism i.e. the practical application of christianity to the oriental mode of production.
>>2852182>stating basic communist principles is serious shitI mean yes, but please, individualize this shit towards me all you want, doesn't make your "change the party from within" strategy play any less into the hands of the capitalists while making the creation of an actual separate party more remote every cycle.
>>2852189If America were Dengist everything in my house would be made in America and my wage would have tripled over the past 20 years without inflation.
>>2852192what party are you in
>>2852185To rebuild the worker's movement you need more than just communists. There would be no communist movement at all without the broader trade union and social democratic movements of the 19th century.
>>2852178>Idealism, but more importantly, western-centric idealism. Socialist movements around the entire world have been in steep decline ever since the collapse of the USSR. Call them revisionist all you want, but it's an unediable fact that it's loss was an unmitigated disaster for worker's power and organization globally. Sure, it's not quite as dead in some corners of the world as the West, but it's pretty fucking dead no matter where you look.
>>2852192i was talking about jizzveins, not you
fuckin narcissist
>>2852196>fuckin narcissistI sincerely apologize.
>>2852193amerika right now is late-dengist, you just missed the early-dengist era (FDR)
>>2852197Deng actually bled fighting Japanese fascists but you just make AI memes of jersey shore stalin
>>2852199FDR did those policies to prevent communists from coming into power
Deng did those policies to prevent communists from losing power. That's the difference. History will vindicate what I say.
>>2852197why is he letting people OUT of the gulag, this was not in the manga
>>2852200>AI memes of jersey shore stalinThis is real historical footage tho
>>2852202>letting people out of the gulagyou are falsifier
>>2852200>FDR did those policies to prevent communists from coming into powerI know, which is why its weird so many "communists" here want to retvrn to that
I guess I'm just an undialectical retard
not gonna comment on the Deng thing lol
>>2852211what party are you in
>>2852211>I know, which is why its weird so many "communists" here want to retvrn to thatthere is no retvrning. that's the best part. Democrats no longer want a coalition with social democrats and communists. They are afraid of even the most tepid succdem reforms. At this current historical moment supporting DSA will not result in a democrat/DSA coalition, it will result in democrats tripling down on their far right "centrism" and "reasonable" politics. they will join republicans in crushing all legal opposition, proving once and for all to the working masses that underground militant opposition is needed. DSA must be supported so that they can be crushed by democrats and republicans in front of everyone.
>>2851889>Trump says landlords need to raise rents because the cost of energy has gone up over the past yearBut Trump sir, the rent does not include utilities. The renter has to pay the utilities themself on top of the rent…
>>2852215>Democrats no longer want a coalition with social democrats and communists.This shit never was a fucking thing and the "social democrats and communists" *cough* Browder *cough* involved were anything but willing traitors themselves.
>>2852219what party are you in
>>2852187WRONG. We are an anti revisionist board and we believe in
VOOTING!https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1895/03/06.htmFrederick Engels 1895Introduction to Karl Marxโs - The Class Struggles in France 1848 to 1850
>Thanks to the intelligent use which the German workers made of the universal suffrage introduced in 1866, the astonishing growth of the party is made plain to all the world by incontestable figures: 1871, 102,000; 1874, 352,000; 1877, 493,000 Social-Democratic votes. Then came recognition of this advance by high authority in the shape of the Anti-Socialist Law; the party was temporarily broken up, the number of votes dropped to 312,000 in 1881. But that was quickly overcome, and then, under the pressure of the Exceptional Law, without a press, without a legal organisation and without the right of association and assembly, rapid expansion began in earnest: 1884, 550,000; 1887, 763,000; 1890, 1,427,000 votes. The hand of the state was paralysed. The Anti-Socialist Law disappeared; the socialist vote rose to 1,787,000, over a quarter of all the votes cast. The government and the ruling classes had exhausted all their expedients โ uselessly, pointlessly, unsuccessfully. The tangible proofs of their impotence, which the authorities, from night watchman to the imperial chancellor had had to accept โ and that from the despised workers! โ these proofs were counted in millions. The state was at the end of its tether, the workers only at the beginning of theirs.
>But, besides, the German workers rendered a second great service to their cause in addition to the first, a service performed by their mere existence as the strongest, most disciplined and most rapidly growing socialist party. They supplied their comrades in all countries with a new weapon, and one of the most potent, when they showed them how to make use of universal suffrage.
>There had long been universal suffrage in France, but it had fallen into disrepute through the way it had been abused by the Bonapartist government. After the Commune there was no workersโ party to make use of it. It had also existed in Spain since the republic but in Spain election boycotts had been the rule for all serious opposition parties from time immemorial. The experience of the Swiss with universal suffrage was also anything but encouraging for a workersโ party. The revolutionary workers of the Latin countries had been wont to regard the suffrage as a snare, as an instrument of government trickery. It was different in Germany. The Communist Manifesto had already proclaimed the winning of universal suffrage, of democracy, as one of the first and most important tasks of the militant proletariat, and Lassalle had again taken up this point. Now that Bismarck found himself compelled to introduce this franchise as the only means of interesting the mass of the people in his plans, our workers immediately took it in earnest and sent August Bebel to the first, constituent Reichstag. And from that day on they have used the franchise in a way which has paid them a thousandfold and has served as a model to the workers of all countries. The franchise has been, in the words of the French Marxist programme, transformรฉ de moyen de duperie qu'il a รฉtรฉ jusquici en instrument d'emancipation โ transformed by them from a means of deception, which it was before, into an instrument of emancipation. And if universal suffrage had offered no other advantage than that it allowed us to count our numbers every three years; that by the regularly established, unexpectedly rapid rise in our vote it increased in equal measure the workersโ certainty of victory and the dismay of their opponents, and so became our best means of propaganda; that it accurately informed us of our own strength and that of all opposing parties, and thereby provided us with a measure of proportion second to none for our actions, safeguarding us from untimely timidity as much as from untimely foolhardiness โ if this had been the only advantage we gained from the suffrage, it would still have been much more than enough. But it did more than this by far. In election propaganda it provided us with a means, second to none, of getting in touch with the mass of the people where they still stand aloof from us; of forcing all parties to defend their views and actions against our attacks before all the people; and, further, it provided our representatives in the Reichstag with a platform from which they could speak to their opponents in parliament, and to the masses outside, with quite different authority and freedom than in the press or at meetings. Of what avail was their Anti-Socialist Law to the government and the bourgeoisie when election campaigning and socialist speeches in the Reichstag continually broke through it?
>With this successful utilisation of universal suffrage, however, an entirely new method of proletarian struggle came into operation, and this method quickly took on a more tangible form. It was found that the state institutions, in which the rule of the bourgeoisie is organised, offer the working class still further levers to fight these very state institutions. The workers took part in elections to particular diets, to municipal councils and to trades courts; they contested with the bourgeoisie every post in the occupation of which a sufficient part of the proletariat had a say. And so it happened that the bourgeoisie and the government came to be much more afraid of the legal than of the illegal action of the workersโ party, of the results of elections than of those of rebellion.
>For here, too, the conditions of the struggle had changed fundamentally. Rebellion in the old style, street fighting with barricades, which decided the issue everywhere up to 1848, had become largely outdated.
>Let us have no illusions about it: a real victory of insurrection over the military in street fighting, a victory as between two armies, is one of the rarest exceptions. And the insurgents counted on it just as rarely. For them it was solely a question of making the troops yield to moral influences which, in a fight between the armies of two warring countries, do not come into play at all or do so to a much smaller extent. If they succeed in this, the troops fail to respond, or the commanding officers lose their heads, and the insurrection wins. If they do not succeed in this, then, even where the military are in the minority, the superiority of better equipment and training, of uniform leadership, of the planned employment of the military forces and of discipline makes itself felt. The most that an insurrection can achieve in the way of actual tactical operations is the proficient construction and defence of a single barricade. Mutual support, the disposition and employment of reserves โ in short, concerted and co-ordinated action of the individual detachments, indispensable even for the defence of one borough, not to speak of the whole of a large town, will be attainable only to a very limited extent, and usually not at all. Concentration of the military forces at a decisive point is, of course, out of the question here. Hence passive defence is the predominant form of struggle; an attack will be mounted here and there, by way of exception, in the form of occasional thrusts and assaults on the flanks; as a rule, however, it will be limited to the occupation of positions abandoned by retreating troops. In addition, the military have at their disposal artillery and fully equipped corps of trained engineers, means of warfare which, in nearly every case, the insurgents entirely lack. No wonder, then, that even the barricade fighting conducted with the greatest heroism โ Paris, June 1848; Vienna, October 1848; Dresden, May 1849 โ ended in the defeat of the insurrection as soon as the leaders of the attack, unhampered by political considerations, acted according to purely military criteria, and their soldiers remained reliable.
>The numerous successes of the insurgents up to 1848 were due to a great variety of causes. In Paris, in July 1830 and February 1848, as in most of the Spanish street fighting, a civic guard stood between the insurgents and the military. This guard either sided directly with the insurrection, or else by its lukewarm, indecisive attitude caused the troops likewise to vacillate, and supplied the insurrection with arms into the bargain. Where this civic guard opposed the insurrection from the outset, as in June 1848 in Paris, the insurrection was vanquished. In Berlin in 1848, the people were victorious partly through considerable reinforcements in the shape of new fighting forces during the night and the morning of March 19th, partly as a result of the exhaustion and poor rations of the troops, and, finally, partly as a result of the paralysis engendered by the command. But in all cases the fight was won because the troops failed to respond, because the commanding officers lost the faculty to decide or because their hands were tied.
>Even in the classic time of street fighting, therefore, the barricade produced more of a moral than a material effect. It was a means of shaking the steadfastness of the military. If it held out until this was attained, victory was won; if not, the outcome was defeat. This is the main point which must be kept in view, also when examining the outlook for possible future street fighting.
>Back in 1849 already, this outlook was pretty poor. Everywhere the bourgeoisie had thrown in its lot with the governments, โculture and propertyโ had hailed and feasted the military moving against insurrection. The barricade had lost its magic; the soldier no longer saw behind it โthe peopleโ, but rebels, subversives, plunderers, levellers, the scum of society; the officer had in the course of time become versed in the tactical forms of street fighting, he no longer marched straight ahead and without cover against the improvised breastwork, but went round it through gardens, yards and houses. And this was now successful, with a little skill, in nine cases out of ten.
>But since then there have been very many more changes, and all in favour of the military. If the big towns have become considerably bigger, the armies have become bigger still. Paris and Berlin have, since 1848, grown less than fourfold, but their garrisons have grown more than that. By means of the railways, these garrisons can, in twenty-four hours, be more than doubled, and in forty-eight hours they can be increased to huge armies. The arming of this enormously increased number of troops has become incomparably more effective. In 1848 the smooth-bore, muzzle-loading percussion gun, today the small-calibre, breech-loading magazine rifle, which shoots four times as far, ten times as accurately and ten times as fast as the former. At that time the relatively ineffective round shot and grape-shot of the artillery; today the percussion shells, of which one is sufficient to demolish the best barricade. At that time the pick-axe of the sapper for breaking through fire proof walls; today the dynamite cartridge.
>On the other hand, all the conditions of the insurgentsโ side have grown worse. An insurrection with which all sections of the people sympathise is hardly likely to recur; in the class struggle all the middle strata will never in all probability group themselves around the proletariat so exclusively that in comparison the party of reaction gathered round the bourgeoisie will well-nigh disappear. The โpeopleโ, therefore, will always appear divided, and thus a most powerful lever, so extraordinarily effective in 1848, is gone. If more soldiers who have seen service came over to the insurrectionists, the arming of them would become so much the more difficult. The hunting and fancy guns of the munitions shops โ even if not previously made unusable by the removal of part of the lock on police orders โ are far from being a match for the magazine rifle of the soldier, even in close fighting. Up to 1848 it was possible to make the necessary ammunition oneself out of powder and lead; today the cartridges differ for each gun, and are everywhere alike only in one point, namely, that they are a complicated product of big industry, and therefore not to be manufactured ex tempore, with the result that most guns are useless as long as one does not possess the ammunition suited only to them. And, finally, since 1848 the newly built quarters of the big cities have been laid out in long, straight, broad streets, tailor-made to give full effect to the new cannons and rifles. The revolutionary would have to be mad to choose of his own accord the new working class districts in the north or east of Berlin for a barricade fight.
>Does that mean that in the future street fighting will no longer play any role? Certainly not. It only means that the conditions since 1848 have become far more unfavourable for civilian fighters and far more favourable for the military. In future, street fighting can, therefore, be victorious only if this disadvantageous situation is compensated by other factors. Accordingly, it will occur more seldom at the beginning of a great revolution than at its later stages, and will have to be undertaken with greater forces. These, however, may then well prefer, as in the whole great French Revolution or on September 4 and October 31, 1870, in Paris, the open attack to passive barricade tactics. >>2852220not the dsa, fuck the dsa
>>2852221>Does the reader now understand why the powers-that-be positively want to get us to go where the guns shoot and the sabres slash? Why they accuse us today of cowardice, because we do not take without more ado to the streets, where we are certain of defeat in advance? Why they so earnestly implore us to play for once the part of cannon fodder?
>The gentlemen pour out their petitions and their challenges for nothing, for absolutely nothing. We are not that stupid. They might just as well demand from their enemy in the next war that he should accept battle in the line formation of old Fritz, [Frederick II] or in the columns of whole divisions a la Wagram and Waterloo, and with the flint-lock in his hands at that. If conditions have changed in the case of war between nations, this is no less true in the case of the class struggle. The time of surprise attacks, of revolutions carried through by small conscious minorities at the head of masses lacking consciousness is past. Where it is a question of a complete transformation of the social organisation, the masses themselves must also be in on it, must themselves already have grasped what is at stake, what they are fighting for, body and soul.
>The history of the last fifty years has taught us that. But in order that the masses may understand what is to be done, long, persistent work is required, and it is just this work that we are now pursuing, and with a success which drives the enemy to despair.
>In the Latin countries, too, it is being realised more and more that the old tactics must be revised. Everywhere the German example of utilising the suffrage, of winning all posts accessible to us, has been imitated; everywhere the unprepared launching of an attack has been relegated to the background. In France, where for more than a hundred years the ground has been undermined by one revolution after another, where there is not a single party which has not done its share in conspiracies, insurrections and all other revolutionary actions; in France, where, as a result, the government is by no means sure of the army and where the conditions for an insurrectionary coup de main are altogether far more favourable than in Germany โ even in France the Socialists are realising more and more that no lasting victory is possible for them unless they first win over the great mass of the people, i.e. the peasants in this instance. Slow propaganda work and parliamentary activity are recognised here, too, as the immediate tasks of the party. Successes have not been lacking. Not only have a whole series of municipal councils been won; fifty Socialists have seats in the Chambers, and they have already overthrown three ministries and a president of the republic. In Belgium last year the workers forced the adoption of the franchise, and have been victorious in a quarter of the constituencies. In Switzerland, in Italy, in Denmark, yes, even in Bulgaria and Romania the Socialists are represented in the parliaments. In Austria all parties agree that our admission to the Imperial Council can no longer be withheld. We will get in, that is certain; the only question still in dispute is: by which door? And even in Russia, when the famous Zemsky Sobor meets โ that National Assembly to which young Nicholas offers such vain resistance โ even there we can reckon with certainty on being represented in it.
>But whatever may happen in other countries, the German Social-Democrats occupy a special position and thus, at least in the immediate future, have a special task. The two million voters whom they send to the ballot box, together with the young men and women who stand behind them as non-voters, form the most numerous, most compact mass, the decisive โshock forceโ of the international proletarian army. This mass already supplies over a quarter of the votes cast; and as the by-elections to the Reichstag, the Diet elections in individual states, the municipal council and trades court elections demonstrate, it is constantly on the increase. Its growth proceeds as spontaneously, as steadily, as irresistibly, and at the same time as tranquilly as a natural process. All government intervention has proved powerless against it. We can count even today on two and a quarter million voters. If it continues in this fashion, by the end of the century we shall have the greater part of the middle strata of society, petty bourgeoisie and small peasants, and we shall grow into the decisive power in the land, before which all other powers will have to bow, whether they like it or not.The guaranteed way to get zero replies on this board is quote Marx or Engels.
>>2852190conservatism is the brainlet wing of liberalism
>>2852215lowkey trvke
>>2852147you have started to babble.
>>2852222what party are you in
>>2852230umm you're quote mining or something. when you post sources it is actually worse than me just vibing and spamming memes
>>2852201because it was in the kermit the frog movie.
btw, one infamous liberal, anne applebaum, uses picrel unironically in one of her articles to describe gulags.
https://www.anneapplebaum.com/2003/06/02/the-gulag-as-it-really-was/ >>2852228trump finds always a way to get more more and more impopular, doesn't he?
>>2852229It never fucking was. The formation of NATO alone shows they never cared for any coalition, the USSR and socialism was just the next clear enemy of western imperialism. Stalin's USSR and Mao's China always knew this, its only what came after them that gave back life to the lie of "social democracy", the same social democracy that paved the way for fascism a decade prior.
>>2852240what party are you in
if there were a real popular marxist leninist alternative to DSA that would be one thing but you screech and howl about DSA at the same time as donald trump and van jones
DSA bad
PSL bad
CPUSA bad
SPUSA bad
ACP bad
FRSO bad
PCUSA bad
ACB bad
APL bad
PFP bad
WFP bad
RCP bad
SLP bad
SEP bad
FSP bad
PLP bad
APSP bad
no i will never tell you what party is good, there isnt one. just go build it. but dont you dare work with anyone who was ever wrong about anything ever.
>>2852259> just go build ityou forgot to add:
and don't ever tell people what that party is. it's a one member party!
we're gonna vote for hakeem jeffries. deal with it chud.
>>2852066Wow, this is so pathetic. Trump knows he going to die soon and all of his nonsense is a desperate attempt to leve a mark so people will never forget him.
>>2852066what a fucking retard
>>2852274he thinks immortality is how many people are forced to say your name over and over after you die
>>2852268>AOC will be our kerenskykulinski will be our kerensky. uyghas is houngry
>>2852264
go build another party that will devolve into gorbachev
>>2852268DSA right now is the labour party of russia, eventually it will split between the mensheviks and the bolsheviks.
>>2852292
what party are you in
THESIS: DSA is the real movement and all efforts must go to vooting for them
ANTITHESIS: DSA are counterrevolutionary social fascists who must be violently opposed
SYNTHESIS: Revolutionary leftists of all stripes should use the DSA as a tool to advance revolutionary interests, working to take over the organization through dominance of revolutionary caucuses and purging reformists. If this causes the organization to shatter so be it
>>2852318no that makes too much sense, you support genocide or something
>>2852323
You might wanna get that fact checked by Real Mamdani Patriots
>>2852314AMERICANS ARE FAT. THEY'RE FAT AND THEY EAT BURGER.
>>2852319Stav must still have a sore leg, since he never actually managed to lose the weight. If only he listened to Nick instead of crying.
>>2852321
first person to actually answer the question award. I will leave you alone.
>>2852264
hakeem jeffries wouldn't lie to us!
>>2852226Clearly he isn't in one. Watch as he responds by throwing around glowie accusations
why doesnt the RCA overthrow capitalism already
Saw some interview with a bunch of Christian nationalists, and beyond the irony of them claiming Obama was militantly anti-christian, a few were saying there needs to be state mandated Church attendance on Sundays, including for Atheists and Muslims.
Didn't Spain try to do that in the Franco period and the only thing that happened was the Churches became less religious because a bunch of people who weren't Christian were forced to be there?
>>2852419christians are by definition convinced the only reason someone else isn't christian is because they haven't "received the gospel" yet. it's like, their entire belief system. reality be damned.
>>2852430>christians are by definition convinced the only reason someone else isn't christian is because they haven't "received the gospel" yet. it's like, their entire belief system. reality be damned.I've heard some college profs say they've encountered evangelical students who basically claim Muslims
know they're a "fake religion" and don't "actually believe it" but they're "allowed" to out of courtesy from Christians. Its batshit.
Also in more religious news.
Pope Leo to review just war doctrine after criticism from JD Vance<Pope Leo XIV is gearing up to write new guidelines on when Christians can justify war after JD Vance suggested he was better suited to discuss the topic than the pontiff.
>Pope Leo, who has been targeted by the vice president and President Donald Trump for condemning the deeply unpopular Iran conflict, will hold a secret meeting with the worldโs cardinals on Friday to discuss whether the โjust warโ theory needs updating in an era of drones, cyber warfare, and nuclear weapons, according to Politico.
>In April, the pope cited the doctrine established by St. Augustine in the fifth century to condemn the war in Iran, noting that disciples of Christ are โnever on the side of those who once wielded the sword and today drop bombs.โ
>Days later, at a Turning Point USA event in Georgia, Vanceโwho converted to Catholicism in 2019 at age 35โbegan feuding with the pope and suggested he should be โcareful when he talks about matters of theology.โ
<โIf youโre going to opine on matters of theology, youโve got to be careful, youโve got to make sure itโs anchored in the truth,โ Vance added.
>In response, Bishop James Massa, one of Americaโs leading Catholic bishops, issued a scathing statement condemning Vanceโs remarks, adding that the Catholic Church has taught for โthousands of yearsโ that wars can be justified โin self-defense, once all peace efforts have failed.โ
>Pope Leo has already suggested that the just war doctrine may need to be revised to reflect the modern world. The pope is also reportedly concerned about how the doctrine, in its current form, is being used by world leaders to justify their wars.
>Writing last month in an encyclicalโan official papal letter outlining the churchโs position on a key issueโPope Leo argued that a doctrine โwhich has all too often been used to justify any kind of war, is now outdated.โ
>Speaking to reporters aboard a flight to Madrid in June, Pope Leo said the problem with the just war theory is that it was โdeveloped in an era when no one could have imagined the weapons we have today or humanityโs capacity for destruction.โ
>Francesco Sisci, director of the Rome-based Appia Institute think tank, added that any changes put in place by Pope Leo to the centuries-old doctrine following Fridayโs meeting of cardinals would be a powerful statement from the pontiff.
>However, he also believes some cardinals may push to keep it as it is.
<โItโs messy,โ Sisci told Politico. โIf JD Vance and [tech billionaire] Peter Thiel are claiming Iran is a just war, maybe itโs because there are priests who are lending them credence.โ >>2852435good photoshop potential
>>2852435do you think the suit stays on during sex
>>2852453That's his wife's fetish
>>2852444Vance mad that assassinating the last Pope didnโt give him the result he wanted
>>2852444wouldn't Vance claiming the Pope is wrong on matters of theology be grounds for excommunication? like the whole point of catholicism is that popes receive the word of god directly and their word is infallible when it comes to theology.
Honestly, a Judeo, Christian, Muslim, Hindu theocratic fascism is just the type of schizophrenic reaction Iโd expectant from the U.S.
>>2852476So itโs kind of complicated. The Church leans more on โautomatic excommunicationโ which kind of lets it sidestep the political shitshow of excommunicating Vance for his support of the Iran War/disagreeing with The Pope, but also shit like Catholic Dems being pro-choice. The Pope is also really only infallible when speaking โex cathedraโ which has really only happened twice in history: first for the Immaculate Conception and second for the Assumption of Mary. Itโs kind of a nuclear option, there canโt be any take backs on it, so you donโt want it to become common use.
So Catholics are able to claim โThe Pope is mistakenโ on some issues, but you certainly come across as an asshole for it and youโve got to have a strong theological argument to back itโI donโt think thereโs such an argument for Vance.
>>2852453during the sexual encounter there must be a remembrance of stalin
>>2852453>>2852463Clothed sex is GOATed and I'm tired of pretending like it's not
>>2852523Youโre basically an Orthodox Jew
>>2852504
>What it is doing is contributing to the tearing of American society at the seams, exposing contradictions, and forcing reactionaries into motion, which in turn will put revolutionaries into full swing. It is accelerating the decomposition of the liberal order from within, paving the way for a far more reactionary settlement to be exposed, so conscious workers can openly attack it on all fronts.
This is such utter horseshit
>>2852525no I'm just someone who appreciates the sensation of fabric
>>2852527Itโs a reference to them having sex through a hole in the sheet
>>2852528Does the extra hole increase the pleasure?
>>2852532Itโs about pleasing Hashem
>>2852538Is it cuck schumer telling her that or AOCIA telling it to cuck schumer?
https://stateline.org/2026/06/22/states-ease-child-labor-laws-ahead-of-summer-hiring-season/https://archive.ph/w7P5uStates ease child labor laws ahead of summer hiring seasonRollbacks include lowering youth minimum wages, extending hours and cutting rules for hiring teens.By: Robbie Sequeira - June 22, 2026 1:58 pm
For some teenagers across the country, the summer is the first opportunity to gain work experience for their nascent resume.
In a handful of states, however, teens who find jobs will find fewer protections under child labor laws. Four states โ Indiana, Nebraska, Washington and West Virginia โ enacted laws this year that weaken child labor protections, according to the Economic Policy Institute, a nonprofit think tank. In all, 13 states had bills seeking to weaken those protections; some are still under consideration.
Another three states saw bills filed this year to increase child labor standards, with one state โ Oregon โ enacting a new law. Oregon now stipulates that state rules on the total hours a minor can work cannot be less restrictive than the federal Fair Labor Standards Act rules that were in effect on Jan. 1.
Among the states easing child labor laws this year, Nebraska established a lower minimum wage for 14- and 15-year-olds. West Virginia made changes that allow teens to work longer hours in youth apprenticeships and relaxed rules related to time working on hazardous work assignments.
Under a new Indiana law, the stateโs Department of Labor will no longer be required to maintain the employer database for youth employment or require employers to participate in the database, meaning employers are not required to report that they employ workers younger than 18.
Washington state lawmakers made it easier for teens in approved work-based learning programs to work longer hours, doubling the daily limit from four hours a day for up to 20 hours a week, to eight hours a day for up to 48 hours a week for minors enrolled in those programs. West Virginiaโs law also loosened guardrails for minors in youth apprenticeship programs and lowered the age for workers to sell alcohol in bars.
The Economic Policy Instituteโs review, published this month, found that legislation seeking to roll back child labor protections follows four trends: lowering minimum wages for teen workers; making changes to youth apprenticeships, eliminating youth permits and weakening safeguards for teen child care workers.
A few other rollbacks remain pending in Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. Bills in Florida, Massachusetts and Missouri proposed lowering youth wages but did not pass.
https://archive.ph/iE3Jphttps://prospect.org/2026/06/26/rogue-supreme-court-blesses-ethnic-cleansing-immigration-tps-trump-immigration-ice/The Rogue Supreme Court Blesses Ethnic CleansingThe national council of law wizards held that Donald Trump can deport nonwhite refugees on baldly racist grounds even if he doesnโt follow the law in doing so. Ryan Cooper by Naomi Bethune and Ryan Cooper June 26, 2026
Thursday was a decision day at the Supreme Court, and the American people got to enjoy the familiar experience of waiting on tenterhooks yet again to see which rights were going to be deleted this time. The answer was residency rights for hundreds of thousands of nonwhite immigrants.
The most important of Thursdayโs decisions was also the worst one: Mullin v. Doe, which overturned a lower-court order barring the Trump regime from removing Temporary Protected Status (TPS) from hundreds of thousands of nonwhite refugees.
For months now, Haitian and Syrian recipients of the TPS program have been in limbo, with their legal status being held up by fragile pauses in lower-court rulings. After revoking TPS for Venezuelan nationals last winter with the support of the Supreme Courtโs shadow docket, the Trump administration turned its attention to doing the same for Haitian and Syrian immigrants. In February, Haitian residents in cities like Springfield, Ohio, were bracing for an ICE surge planned for the day after TPS protections were set to expire. A ruling by a federal judge halted the decision just in time, but the threat of a violent immigration enforcement campaign remained, and now is entirely possible thanks to the Supreme Court.
In Mullin, the Court ruled 6-3 that the federal government could terminate protections for citizens of Haiti and Syria, which will open the door for the deportation of thousands. Justice Samuel Alito wrote the majority opinion (unsurprisingly, the ruling occurred along ideological lines), in which he noted that the wording of the TPS statute prohibited judicial review. Therefore, the courts cannot bar the Trump administration from ending TPS designations, allowing for complete administration discretion over what countries will be covered by the program. Before the Department of Homeland Security began ending TPS protections a year ago, over 1.3 million immigrants were protected by the initiative, hailing from 13 different countries.
TPS was originally established in 1990 to allow immigrants in the U.S. who are unable to return to their home country because of dangerous conditions such as armed conflict or environmental disaster to safely work and live in the U.S. But now, about 330,000 Haitians and 6,000 Syrians are at risk of being deported back to countries where many donโt have a home to go back to.
Although the State Department has issued a Level 4 โDo Not Travelโ advisory for Haiti and Syria, the Trump administration has declared that refugees are safe to return. Presidential elections have not been held in Haiti for over a decade, and armed gang violence has intensified over the past year, leading 1 in 10 people to flee their homes. Food insecurity affects nearly six million people, health facilities are underfunctioning, and many children lack access to education since schools have been closed. Conditions in Syria are also fraughtโthe country is still recovering from the Syrian Civil War, which displaced millions.
Writing for the majority, Alito refused to categorize Trumpโs xenophobic comments about Haitian people as proof that ending TPS was racially motivated. In fact, he stated that statements cited by the plaintiffs were not โovertly racialโ and that โrespondents are unlikely to prove that race was a motivating factor in the decision to terminate Haitiโs TPS designation.โ This, of course, is total nonsense, as Trump has not shied away from espousing blatantly racist conspiracy theories and comments about Haitian people since before he was even elected.
Most infamously, Trumpโs random outburst about Haitian refugees during an ABC presidential debate with Joe Biden during the 2024 election reflects his early inclinations to target Haitian immigrants. After claiming that Haitian people in Springfield were โeatingโ the communityโs cats and dogs, at least 30 bomb and shooting threats were made in the city, with many targeting schools. Since being elected, Trump has referred to Haiti as a โshithole country,โ and said that Haitians โprobably have AIDSโ and that they are โpoisoning the blood of the country.โ
https://archive.ph/nporNhttps://www.lgbtqnation.com/2026/06/texas-expected-to-approve-mandatory-bible-readings-for-public-school-students/Texas expected to approve mandatory Bible readings for public school students. The proposal would affect roughly one in ten K-12 students in the United States.The proposal would affect roughly one in ten K-12 students in the United States.The Texas State Board of Education is set to vote on a proposal that would establish a mandatory reading list for K-12 public school students. The list, an oddity in its own right, includes extensive selections from the Bible while snubbing all other religions.
The Republican-majority board is expected to approve the book list today, despite heavy pushback from Democrats and Christians, like board member Tiffany Clark. In opposing the curriculum, Clark said that โBible lessons should be taught on Sundays.โ She also highlighted the problem with selecting passages from one translation of the bible over another, noting that โnot all of us [Christians] believe the same.โ
The boardโs decision will affect more than 5 million public school students across Texas, a population that represents roughly one in ten of all public school attendees in the United States.
The vote comes on the heels of other controversial moves from Texas schools that have blurred the line between church and state while promoting Christianity above all other religions, if not exclusively. In 2023, Texas became the first state to allow public schools to hire chaplains to counsel students. Last year, it was the largest state to pass a law โ which a federal appeals court upheld in April โ requiring the ten commandments be displayed in all public school classrooms.
he Texas GOPโs attempt to rework the public school environment doesnโt end there. Last year, the state passed a โDonโt Say Gayโ bill, and the Texas GOPโs 2026 platform includes banning trans teachers from working in schools.
The Board of Educationโs introduction of a mandatory reading list for grades K-12 is based on a 2023 law that required each grade to have at least one title on their list across the state. Working with outside advisors, the board compiled more than 200 titles to include.
A legislative communications associate for the Texas Freedom Network, Elva Mendoza, highlighted how ridiculous the micromanaging of teachers through these lists would be by pulling out a single title: Chicka Chicka Boom Boom, a childrenโs board book. The inclusion led Mendoza to ask, โCanโt our kindergarten teachers be trusted to choose board books?โ
The lists also include the tales of David and Goliath and Daniel and the Lionโs Den in picture book form for younger readers, with them later reading Jesusโ sermon on the mount, Bible passages about Adam and Eve, and more. All of this would be included alongside their literature requirements, to the exclusion of any other religious text.
Critics have highlighted that the inclusion of these religious texts, favoring Christianity over other religions, violates parentsโ rights and ability to guide their own childrenโs religious education.
Supporters on the board and in the community have claimed that these texts help students understand Western culture and the founding of the United States. Susan Perez, founder of Citizens for Education Reform, a Christian advocacy group, claimed that Christian references in the Declaration of Independence were a clear sign that the Bible should be taught.
However, in earlier drafts of the Declaration, Thomas Jefferson highlights King Georgeโs role as a Christian monarch in negative terms: โHis piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain.โ Moreover, in the Bill of Rights, the founders make it clear in the First Amendment that freedom of religion is a key tenet of the nation.
Citing the nature of the list itself, Antero Garcia, a Stanford University professor and the president of the National Council of Teachers of English, told the Associated Press that he believes no other state has a list anything like this, religious texts included or not.
Frank Strong, a teacher and co-founder of the advocacy group Texas Freedom to Read, added, โI do think that itโs disturbing that there are no texts from other religious traditions that are included.โ
If approved, the new lists would take effect in 2030.
>>2852552>the Texas GOPโs 2026 platform includes banning trans teachers from working in schools.Jesus Christ
>>2852223>>2852221>Back in 1849 already, this outlook was pretty poor. Everywhere the bourgeoisie had thrown in its lot with the governments, โculture and propertyโ had hailed and feasted the military moving against insurrection. The barricade had lost its magic; the soldier no longer saw behind it โthe peopleโ, but rebels, subversives, plunderers, levellers, the scum of society; the officer had in the course of time become versed in the tactical forms of street fighting, he no longer marched straight ahead and without cover against the improvised breastwork, but went round it through gardens, yards and houses. And this was now successful, with a little skill, in nine cases out of ten.>But since then there have been very many more changes, and all in favour of the military. If the big towns have become considerably bigger, the armies have become bigger still. Paris and Berlin have, since 1848, grown less than fourfold, but their garrisons have grown more than that. By means of the railways, these garrisons can, in twenty-four hours, be more than doubled, and in forty-eight hours they can be increased to huge armies. The arming of this enormously increased number of troops has become incomparably more effective. In 1848 the smooth-bore, muzzle-loading percussion gun, today the small-calibre, breech-loading magazine rifle, which shoots four times as far, ten times as accurately and ten times as fast as the former. At that time the relatively ineffective round shot and grape-shot of the artillery; today the percussion shells, of which one is sufficient to demolish the best barricade. At that time the pick-axe of the sapper for breaking through fire proof walls; today the dynamite cartridge.>On the other hand, all the conditions of the insurgentsโ side have grown worse. An insurrection with which all sections of the people sympathise is hardly likely to recur; in the class struggle all the middle strata will never in all probability group themselves around the proletariat so exclusively that in comparison the party of reaction gathered round the bourgeoisie will well-nigh disappear. The โpeopleโ, therefore, will always appear divided, and thus a most powerful lever, so extraordinarily effective in 1848, is gone. If more soldiers who have seen service came over to the insurrectionists, the arming of them would become so much the more difficult. The hunting and fancy guns of the munitions shops โ even if not previously made unusable by the removal of part of the lock on police orders โ are far from being a match for the magazine rifle of the soldier, even in close fighting. Up to 1848 it was possible to make the necessary ammunition oneself out of powder and lead; today the cartridges differ for each gun, and are everywhere alike only in one point, namely, that they are a complicated product of big industry, and therefore not to be manufactured ex tempore, with the result that most guns are useless as long as one does not possess the ammunition suited only to them. And, finally, since 1848 the newly built quarters of the big cities have been laid out in long, straight, broad streets, tailor-made to give full effect to the new cannons and rifles. The revolutionary would have to be mad to choose of his own accord the new working class districts in the north or east of Berlin for a barricade fight.Does that mean that in the future street fighting will no longer play any role? Certainly not. It only means that the conditions since 1848 have become far more unfavourable for civilian fighters and far more favourable for the military. In future, street fighting can, therefore, be victorious only if this disadvantageous situation is compensated by other factors. Accordingly, it will occur more seldom at the beginning of a great revolution than at its later stages, and will have to be undertaken with greater forces. These, however, may then well prefer, as in the whole great French Revolution or on September 4 and October 31, 1870, in Paris, the open attack to passive barricade tactics.Hey look. I can read too. Also, DSA is not a workerโs party
>>2852559what party are you in
>>2852559Why do you expect or desire a workerโs party in a bourgeois nation?
>>2852561None
>>2852562Why wouldnโt I?
>>2852562list all non-bourgeois nations NOW
>>2852559These idiots will not argue their position beyond pointless quotations or the endless repetition of hysterical admonishments in such a manner as "at least we're doing something"
Likewise you end up with the utter dogshit propaganda such as
>>2852504 in which continual affirmation is made to seemingly socialist principles despite being but one arm in the foundation of a bourgeois political party. These idiots legitimately will not learn, you cannot introduce to them the idea of an actual analysis beyond petty infighting, leading to the most stupid of factionalism in which the DSA is seen as the only legitimate strut because it attracts the broadest in support
The same thing happened with the idiots during the Minnesota riots who contended that because DNC aligned trade unions were supporting a general strike, revolution was imminent. Some of the morons in this thread legitimately will not learn and time and time again must be ridiculed for their endless support for what is essentially at most a bourgeois socialism
>>2852538Yknow itโs weird remembering all the concrete examples of the DNC fucking over the DSA (Bernieโs run in 2020 and 2016, the DNC defunding its own Vegas party rather than cede control to the DSA, Cuomo running after losing the primary) but now that the DSA has gained grown people flip to โactually all the opposition is/was fake, theyโre happy with this outcome, theyโve already co-opted everything
>>2852572cringe rad lib points
>>2852572DSA bout to remove all that shit from their site
>>2852576How do you think the text contradicts what Engels said 20 years later? Are you saying you know Marx better than Engels?
>>2852578it is very cringe. only cringe radlib sjws want multiple parties. real chads want 1 single legal communist party that goes revisionist eventually. we are trad. we follow in the steps of our fathers
>>2852581>How do you think the text contradicts what EngelsWho says it does? Did I? Or did I merely add additional much needed context? At the end of the day, electoralism is found wanting.
>Are you saying you know Marx better than Engels?No need for desperation. I know both quite well.
>thread is going in circles again, pretending legal and illegal tactics are mutually exclusive and can't be done at the same time
>>2852585Ok, so do you disagree with the argument put forth about the value of voting over fighting in the streets?
>>2852582I think people in general need a benevolent dictatorship. Some kind of Mr. Rogers type with an iron fist when it needs to be used.
>>2852590I disagree with the presentation and modern applications without an actual workerโs party to utilize.
>>2852572realistically why would socialists or marxists want universal immigrant amnesty? seems like a uniquely american position that kind of betrays the rest of their platform. I mean I get why it's there but i wish there was a bit more pushback from the left on just wholly adopting liberal positions on problems liberalism created.
like i would think the "marxist" position on immigration would be replacing the entire system with something more strict that isn't based on corporate interest/work sponsorship and only spousal visas or refugees while expanding the scope of possible reasons for refugee/asylum applications like letting women escape patriarchal societies.
Ironically I am an immigrant but immigration always seemed like a poison pill for leftism in the US by appealing to the bleeding heart nature of leftists to help whoever is directly in front of them. There's no pro-labor basis for welcoming what are essentially scabs into our country, no? People say "if farms couldn't hire migrant workers they'd go out of business because Americans don't want to do those jobs" but that's a firmly idiotic assumption. Food is a resource of national necessity. If farmers refuse to pay a living wage to American workers to make it worthwhile for them to do farming work then it would be the government's job to nationalize the farms or do whatever is necessary to make sure food keeps coming in. Migrant workers are just a way for America to ignore the fact farm work is undervalued and underpaid in our society despite being extremely important for our survival.
sorry I just find it weird that the only left-wing party in America that actually holds a Marxist position on immigration is ACP and they're fucking patsoc weirdos.
>>2852589What even is an illegal tactic? These people can't say what they're advocating for at all. All they do is get aggro about how people voting for concessions from the bourgeois is fascism.
>โIf in the political struggle against the bourgeois state the workers succeed only in extracting concessions, then they are guilty of compromise; and this is contrary to eternal principles. All peaceful movements, such as those in which English and American workers have the bad habit of engaging, are therefore to be despised. Workers must not struggle to establish a legal limit to the working day, because this is to compromise with the masters, who can then only exploit them for ten or twelve hours, instead of fourteen or sixteen. They must not even exert themselves in order legally to prohibit the employment in factories of children under the age of ten, because by such means they do not bring to an end the exploitation of children over ten: they thus commit a new compromise, which stains the purity of the eternal principles.
< It cannot be denied that if the apostles of political indifferentism were to express themselves with such clarity, the working class would make short shrift of them and would resent being insulted by these doctrinaire bourgeois and displaced gentlemen, who are so stupid or so naive as to attempt to deny to the working class any real means of struggle. For all arms with which to fight must be drawn from society as it is and the fatal conditions of this struggle have the misfortune of not being easily adapted to the idealistic fantasies which these doctors in social science have exalted as divinities, under the names of Freedom, Autonomy, Anarchy. However the working-class movement is today so powerful that these philanthropic sectarians dare not repeat for the economic struggle those great truths which they used incessantly to proclaim on the subject of the political struggle. They are simply too cowardly to apply them any longer to strikes, combinations, single-craft unions, laws on the labour of women and children, on the limitation of the working day etc., etc. >>2852593Then make a party and go win some seats.
>>2852596>sorry I just find it weird that the only left-wing party in America that actually holds a Marxist position on immigration is ACP and they're fucking patsoc weirdos.All I need to hear, stfu.
>>2852593Also everything he said about why insurrection was doomed to fail in 1890s Europe and a stupid move are doubly more true today.
>>2852589Nuance is for faggots, real uyghas engage in black and white thinking
>>2852602ACP will never be anything other than a joke dude fuck those guys
>>2852600>Then make a partyOkay
>and go win some seatsWhat would be the strategic importance of participating in bourgeois democracy?
>>2852604>doubly more true today.prove it
>>2852607Yeah, so a bunch of shit that's hyperspefic to 1912 Russia?
>>2852610>What would be the strategic importance of participating in bourgeois democracy?That's what Lenin laid out in the essay.
>>2852610>prove itEveryday you do literally nothing but posts here proves you know it as well.
>>2852612revolution is never legal in any country. you're literally replacing the old state with a new state. Even 1776 was illegal from the standpoint of the British
>>2852600>What even is an illegal tactic?it's when you pirate 12 seasons of a TV show and then smoke a lot of weed
>>2852614>That's what Lenin laid out in the essayIn the 1910s
>Everyday you do literally nothing but posts here proves you know it as wellLetโs assume this is true. Your point is?
>>2852616>revolution is never legal in any country. you're literally replacing the old state with a new state.You can legally do that tho. But do you have any specific illegal actions that you think we should be doing right now? Like does the specific nature of an action being illegal somehow make it better than a legal action? Like if I got a million dollars from robbing a bank is it better than getting a million dollars from a donation? Illegal actions have an obvious downside of course.
But going everyone to go commit crimes and calling everyone who doesn't a fascist or whatever isn't fedposting?
>Does the reader now understand why the powers-that-be positively want to get us to go where the guns shoot and the sabres slash? Why they accuse us today of cowardice, because we do not take without more ado to the streets, where we are certain of defeat in advance? Why they so earnestly implore us to play for once the part of cannon fodder?
>The gentlemen pour out their petitions and their challenges for nothing, for absolutely nothing. We are not that stupid.
>Everywhere the German example of utilising the suffrage, of winning all posts accessible to us, has been imitated; everywhere the unprepared launching of an attack has been relegated to the background.
You pour out your petition for nothing ultras.
>>2852622> Like does the specific nature of an action being illegal somehow make it better than a legal action?I said people should do both, not that they should do only one. a legal party will be made illegal if it comes close enough to revolution. an illegal organization will be persecuted by the law but should be ready and armed as a fallback for when the legal fails.
>>2852634Yeah and I never argued against doing anything illegal. Go do it if you think it will help the cause, I have no power to stop anyone.
>>2852635Somebody link this geniuses twitter profile
>>2852636So what are those factors you will compensate with?
>>2852636marxist science be like
>everything changes, so just keep up>you gotta be like sensitive to context n shit>don't let your practice have no theory>don't let your theory have no practice>don't be too dogmatic, but also don't be too loosey goosey >>2852638well you have to do both for when one fails. it's diversification basically. not putting all your eggs in one basket. at least that was lenin's argument against the otzavists (who wanted to do everything illegal and underground) and the liquidationists (who wanted to do everything legal and above ground)
>>2852639>>2852635Ah this moron is fuelled by their particular obsession with Palestine
>>2852641the """science""" of "just git gud scrub"
>>2852640>So what are those factors you will compensate with?The incompetence of the American military and police force
>>2852645>>2852641The alternative is?
The RCP has more protentional then the DSA for revolution…
What if we got a bunch of buses and just travelled everybody collectively, i mean the magacucks did it at jan 6 and it worked
>>2852649And do a riot the police allow?
>>2852649Magacucks have money
>>2852648elaborate
>>2852650>>2852652the police allowed jan 6. they got out of the way. they wouldn't do that for leftoids
>>2852658Money and connections
>>2852658They largely did for BLM
>>2852658The RCI has a shitton of money its an international org and most members pay dues, also the RCP is much more dedicated then any magacuck was.
Why don't they just get sum buses or bikes, larp as some climate protesters, block off traffic to the capitol, and have some fun.
It's crazy how none of you can even armchair general this supposed insurrection you're going to participate in. The entire strategy is just a wish and a prayer.
>>2852647>The incompetence of the American military and police forceLike Engels said, they have superior equipment, they have superior training, they have superior logistics, even with a much smaller force they can easily win, but the thing is, they have:
>The U.S. military has a total force of roughly 2.1 million personnel. This includes approximately 1.35 million active-duty troops and 770,000 reserve and National Guard personnelAnd of course they could easily pump those numbers up way further without a draft even. So on top of all their other advantages, they also have superior manpower lmao.
The US is the most powerful military in the world and yet this is the only country where everyone LARPs that they're about to do a heckin insurrection. I don't see them doing this in the Bong, Australian, Canadian, German, French, whatever thread. It's just because we can buy AR-15s and shit that gives people here such bravado?
>>2852667ur retarded, the US millitary, at least the lower members are becoming more and more disloyal to trump, its also partially decentralized so portions could disobey washington and use the consition as a justfication.
>>2852667>The US is the most powerful military in the world Just got proven wrong in Hormuz
>>2852667>they have superior equipmentQuestionable
>they have superior trainingThey have Israeli tier training
>they have superior logisticsQuestionable especially now
>The U.S. military has a total force of roughly 2.1 million personnel. This includes approximately 1.35 million active-duty troops and 770,000 reserve and National Guard personnelMeh
>And of course they could easily pump those numbers up Whereโd you get that from
>It's just because we can buy AR-15s and shit that gives people here such bravado?The military has been beaten overseas with less
>>2852673The US military allowed itself to lose in foreign imperialist conflicts because they fundamentally arenโt existential, a guerrilla in the belly of the beast is, which is why anyone interested in joining any group with guns is a fed.
>>2852676>The US military allowed itself to lose in foreign imperialist conflicts because they fundamentally arenโt existentialIran
>>2852676>burgers lost on purpose for fun lol>you're a fed if your group has gunsstupid and wrong
So I guess it works like a title fight right? Once one country beats another, they inherit the title. So I guess that makes Iran the most powerful military in the world now.
>>2852678The petrodollar isnโt existential
>>2852680Correct, if Vietnam or Afghanistan actually mattered, they would have went nuclear
>>2852685People will just use their credit cards and take overtime hours
Iโm hungry and canโt afford any food can somebody help me
>>2852690>People will just use their credit cardsNot forever
>take overtime hoursThe bourgeois are cutting those down
>>2852554That dumb "meme" ignores the fact that Trump was a well known draft dodger and never actually fought in any war.
>>2852596>sorry I just find it weird that the only left-wing party in America that actually holds a Marxist position on immigration is ACP and they're fucking patsoc weirdos.I'm not sure they have a Marxist position. Like if you read Marx and Engels talking about immigration, they wrote about the bourgeoise setting the native workers against the immigrant workers, but the solution they put forward was to organize the immigrant workers with the native workers who'd agree to it. In the 19th century the Marxists in the U.S. (who corresponded directly with Marx and worked to advance his positions in the U.S.) tended to be German immigrants in contrast to the reformist Knights of Labor. They thought the most important thing that could be done in America was building a coalition or Irish and German immigrant workers with the Americans who would go for that. You don't have to agree with this but I just don't think grabbing immigrant workers and deporting them is a Marxist position as in referring to Karl Marx the historical figure.
>like i would think the "marxist" position on immigration would be replacing the entire system with something more strict that isn't based on corporate interest/work sponsorship and only spousal visas or refugees while expanding the scope of possible reasons for refugee/asylum applications like letting women escape patriarchal societies.I'm not sure "Marxism" is really about picking policies to make capitalist run better so much as trying to transform the whole system in a social class struggle revolution. To the extent they would support reforms it would be to make workers' lives better and make it more easier for them organize so the workers can act as their own political force. Also their whole theory was kind of accelerationist anyways, like international labor migration generated by capitalism is what produces an international proletariat and dissolves national barriers which they thought was inevitable anyways.
>>2852670>Just got proven wrong in HormuzDon't think this would-be insurrectionary army has underground ballistic missile and drone factories though.
>>2852708If hezbollah can build those next to Israel despite sanctions than so can an american insurrectionary army. The most important factor is obviously foreign intervention, China and Russia would no doubt covertly supply us through routes in the Pacific when it comes to that
>>2852538This new magazine 'Geese' wrote an interminably pretentious article about why we should support AOC 2028, which makes me view them as PMC liberals like anyone at The Atlantic ๐
https://www.geesemag.com/articles/enter-daedalus-2028<the word 'liberal' does not appear here, but they mention 'communism' three times and 'socialism' 34 timesIdeology is that which cannot be named, like fish swimming in water. You know you're ideological when you cannot ever critique something, as if it is the unquestionable axiomatic laws of the universe
>If I thought that AOC was an opportunist, that hope in her campaign was overly optimistic, that her presidency would give rise to the rapid growth of potential opportunities to expose elements of Zionism, reformism, capitulationism, you name itโthat would not detract from my cause, but exceedingly bolster it. For the first time, the leftโs prophecies would be proven correct, and the opportunity would open up for an actually meaningful intervention from this perspective, to reclaim socialism from her opportunism through the gauntlet of the mass political experience. Until the ideology of AOC has run through such a gauntlet of governance and hegemony, there should be no reason for us to expect her progressive working-class base to become disillusioned and seek a radical alternativebro their argument is literally just "we need to wake up the sheeple" ๐ญ
>"In response to the vacillating nature of AOC on issues like Palestine, infantile calls to instead pedantically endorse Rashida Tlaib because she is, allegedly, โmore principledโ are now arising. The truth is, however, that โprincipalityโ versus โvacillationโ is not what is on the line for usโthis is a schema that is irrelevant for the purposes laid out here and would only serve to push Democratic Socialism back into marginality at this decisive opportunity for intervention"(severely circumsized jerking off motion)
>>2852667>insurrection the so called "United States" has been controlled by CIA/Israeli Mossad since they killed our president in 1963. The fascist organized crime pedo cartel's authority is literally just their ability to wear the skin of the thing they killed and to imitate the dances it used to make…but workers increasingly don't care about that anymore
>they have superior…Officer's coup 2028
>>2852718>Ideology is that which cannot be named, like fish swimming in water. <Ideology is everything and nothingBased retard
>>2852158>you have to hate Zohran to be a โtrueโ communist.Its good to see a downwardly-mobile petite bourgeois guy like Zohran be a socialist instead of going Hitler mode. But his class character is sus, his famous Hollywood director mother Mira Nair was literally mentioned in an Epstein email about a fancy bourgeois afterparty she went to for her film Amelia.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/zohran-mamdani-mom-mentioned-epstein-231036171.htmlI have always hated Hollywood liberals and think they are all demons like David Lynch portrayed, I'm not surprised a bourgeois feminist filmmaker would throw parties which are stalked by predators like Ghislaine Maxwell
>>2852161>calling anything remotely left wing that isn't waving banners of Stalin in public "Nazism" just cheapens the word>>2852184>Moderate Neoliberals have killed like 30 million people since their 'Cold War' began, but the important thing is that you follow your NPC programming and only focus on Jewish victims of fascism, everyone else is unimportant, it would be
cheap to care about their lives!!!
>>2852729Being a Democrat mayor of NYC, the capital of zionism outside Tel Aviv,
IS GOING HITLER MODE >>2852708>I'm not sure they have a Marxist position. Like if you read Marx and Engels talking about immigration, they wrote about the bourgeoise setting the native workers against the immigrant workers, but the solution they put forward was to organize the immigrant workers with the native workers who'd agree to it. In the 19th century the Marxists in the U.S. (who corresponded directly with Marx and worked to advance his positions in the U.S.) tended to be German immigrants in contrast to the reformist Knights of Labor. They thought the most important thing that could be done in America was building a coalition or Irish and German immigrant workers with the Americans who would go for that. You don't have to agree with this but I just don't think grabbing immigrant workers and deporting them is a Marxist position as in referring to Karl Marx the historical figure. The thing is that I don't really believe illegal immigrants can stand arm in arm with the American proletariat, they aren't quite the same as Irish/German immigrants who came to the US during a time when "legal" and "illegal" immigration weren't really concepts. The illegal immigrants of the current day have almost no bargaining power or organizational power as they are almost stateless individuals forced to live in the periphery. Their vulnerability to exploitation makes them difficult to radicalize as they don't want to draw any further attention to themselves. There's actually kind of no electoral advantage for DSA proposing amnesty either as its not like illegals vote, contrary to what MAGA believe.
>I'm not sure "Marxism" is really about picking policies to make capitalist run better so much as trying to transform the whole system in a social class struggle revolution. To the extent they would support reforms it would be to make workers' lives better and make it more easier for them organize so the workers can act as their own political force. Also their whole theory was kind of accelerationist anyways, like international labor migration generated by capitalism is what produces an international proletariat and dissolves national barriers which they thought was inevitable anyways.I just find it kinda hard to believe that America's immigration system is uniquely setup to require legitimizing illegal immigrants while states like China, Cuba, the USSR, North Korea, Venezuela, etc all have totally different immigration policy from what the DSA is proposing here. I wouldn't oppose it though, I just have doubts on what the long-term plan is with telling people they can just come to America and be granted citizenship. It's just inviting the entire 3rd world to replace your workforce. I understand that mobilizing the international proletariat is a long term goal, but the point of that is that they are international and able to exert power in their own countries. Turning them into Americans kind of defeats the purpose. Also, while it's not the Left's responsibility to reform Capitalism, it kind of is the DSA's stated mission to reform Capitalism as they are inherently a reformist electoralist party.
I guess part of the problem is currently a ton of the most crucial jobs are occupied by illegal/migrant labor that have virtually no rights. They're basically slaves, and can be relied upon to replace the proletariat any time strikes happen and a factory or farm needs to be liquidated of its workers. I think we need a more coherent left-wing policy on immigration that makes the immigration system easier but also doesn't just encourage companies to bring in 3rd world slaves by promising them $2/hour. Though tbh at the end of the day if the DSA somehow managed to reform the US economy and punished "bad actor" corporations illegal immigration would largely be solved overnight, so giving amnesty to the current population of illegals would likely not snowball. But that necessitates the DSA passing its harder policy proposals first and actually nationalizing agriculture, construction, etc and placing heavy regulations on restaurant labor. Remove the demand for illegal immigration and it solves itself.
>>2852729>but the important thing is that you follow your NPC programming and only focus on Jewish victims of fascism, everyone else is unimportant, it would be cheap to care about their lives!!!What a bizarre thing to take away from that statement
>>2852748The question really is to what extent is the recognition of amnesty the result of the class position of the DSA's current leadership and objective social trends that result from the demented character of the present political situation within America. The issue engenders both the ability to directly integrate these individuals with citizenship but begins from the moronic obsession of racial politics that characterises the petite bourgeois mindset that guides the party and its subsequent membership. Amnesty is the correct policy but will merely be tabled as a vote winning policy to siphon support back into the DNC base, who will have no intention of actually enacting it.
Again this is best characterised by the stupidity of one poster here who said in a previous thread that DSA candidates cannot simply come out and say "abolish capitalism", revealing essentially their real position that they have no intention of anything beyond mere reforms and that any suggestion of openly discussing their views be met with disdain.
That these idiots call it is a socialist party is likewise ridiculous
>>2852571lol is that felix?
>>2852753Again this can be read from such hilariously moronic memorandums such as
>>2852504 being nothing more than expertly crafted horseshit devised to peddle the idea to their members that the party is not only at the forefront of change but that inevitably the democratic party will succumb to their bourgeois socialist demands when the converse is true
Any suggestion that this is the case will be met with blatant disregard as yet again its uneducated membership continue to crank the handle propagandising visions of progressive radicalism which amount to toilet paper
>>2852756Here is his github with the open source plans still up. Maybe one of you would be insurrectionists should archive it before they take it down.
https://github.com/novatic14?tab=repositories >>2852759Wait, nevermind, it's down too.
>This project was a proof-of-concept launcher and interceptor system built from consumer electronics and 3D-printed components.
>The videos and google drive archive have been taken down, not by me. Due to legal constraints, The files on this repo are no longer mine to distribute.
>The project continues in professional and defense contexts.Lol is he now a defense contractor?
>>2852748>The thing is that I don't really believe illegal immigrants can stand arm in arm with the American proletariat, they aren't quite the same as Irish/German immigrants who came to the US during a time when "legal" and "illegal" immigration weren't really concepts. Did nativists in the 19th century think like that, though? I don't think you realize how socially fucked up the 1800s was. There were deadly anti-immigrant riots in the U.S. back then. Nativist mobs went around ransacking Catholic immigrant neighborhoods and butchering people and burning churches until the army would march out and blast everybody and everything with rifle fire and kill hundreds of people. Bill the Butcher is a character in a movie but he was based on a real guy. I'm just saying that if you look at socialist organizing in the U.S. in the 1800s, early 20th century, when it was relatively stronger than in the second half of the 20th century, you find a lot of immigrants. It was the same with the Communist Party in the 1930s. It's hard to even find an economic radical outfit in the U.S. prior to the Molly Maguires, who were Irish immigrants. I'm just pointing this out because you'll hear people argue what the "Marxist" position is on something but it's disconnected in some way from the historical context.
>The illegal immigrants of the current day have almost no bargaining power or organizational power as they are almost stateless individuals forced to live in the periphery … I guess part of the problem is currently a ton of the most crucial jobs are occupied by illegal/migrant labor that have virtually no rights. They're basically slaves I'm going to say you have a good point about something in a second, but what if "bargaining power" might tend towards more reformism in socialist politics? It's not the workers with "bargaining power" who overthrow their bosses, it's the proletarians with NO bargaining power, because they don't have any option to better their conditions except via revolution. Things really have to reach an intolerable level, and it's really people in conditions that are basically like slavery in really awful factories who are more likely to actually get directly combative in uprisings that turn violent when the authorities miscalculate and crack down brutally. Or maybe not, it's just a thought. But that happening on mass scale doesn't seem all that likely either right now. And on the other hand, a lot of immigrants nowadays are not keen on rocking the boat. But then again, trying to carry through the mass deportation policies of the right might just end up radicalizing the situation anyways.
>I just find it kinda hard to believe that America's immigration system is uniquely setup to require legitimizing illegal immigrants while states like China, Cuba, the USSR, North Korea, Venezuela, etc all have totally different immigration policy from what the DSA is proposing here. Part of the story might also be that the U.S. just has a different relationship to immigration than China or North Korea does. Socialism with American characteristics is not going to look like China because the United States is not China. It's not Japan either. In general much of the world is more ethnocentric than the United States is, as much as the left thinks it's the opposite, because the U.S. is a New World country that has experienced waves of immigration over its history. There are backlashes to that, and I think probably what is happening is that – regardless of what the DSA does – that we're in for a protracted period of tightened immigration, which has happened previously. It seems unlikely that you will get a United States that is just controlled by regime-pilled socialists who can do whatever they want compared to the more likely situation where socialists continue to build their numbers, and come to comprise an influential political faction that has a lot of influence on the country's development, and that will have a positive effect in many ways. At least in the near/medium term. In our lifetimes anyways.
>>2852762Ok, I found that github has the files still up. I don't get how github works.
https://github.com/novatic14/MANPADS-System-Launcher-and-Rockethttps://github.com/novatic14/MANPADS-System-Launcher-and-Rocket/tree/76d83eed930a669276c6fa066bfbb8f3aa345ea8/Unfortunately that doesn't include everything that was on the google drive.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17zpks6_R59H0iXJaGkTrtp1SzIFFAQtY?usp=drive_link
>The Google Drive archive contains additional development media and documentation, including:
>Mechanical design and assembly >System electronics and firmware testing >Launch testing and rocket motor development >System flow diagrams >Rocket specifications >Bill of materials and cost breakdown >>2852684why would they nuke the natural resources and cheap workers? Those are what they are after.
>>2852731zionism is ethnonationalism yes
>>2852763>Socialism with American characteristics is not going to look like China because the United States is not China. True but you also have to realize that a socialist America would be taking into account prole voices and not capitalist who demand immigrant labor. It is them who wanted to open the floodgates and braindrain the world not the workers. So a socialist America would definitely have immigration restrictions
>>2852774The name "Celeste" has always been so unfortunate imo. It sounds like Incest and Molest at the same time.
>>2852775>Celeste>Incest>MolestHey hey remember like 15 years ago when Bronies thought it would be super funny to make a character from a cartoon for little girls into an incestuous rapist and play it for laughs? Remember what a great idea that was? I love the part where she shoves her horn up someone's ass! Peak comedy!
>>2852764the tangible reality of 'burgerreich' is almost too much to handle, but shows anything is possible
You do realize America doesnโt exist right? Itโs a monster in a childโs movie, you just have to say โIโM NOT AFRAID OF YOU ANYMOREโ and it shrivels and collapses into dust
>>2852537I like that it's becoming normalized to call the president a pedophile.
This should be a tradition.
>>2852770Practically speaking it's also that every country in the world has immigration laws of some form or another. Part of my issue though is that you're probably not going to outflank the right on this, so if that is the main issue that we're going to orient politics around, the left is probably going to lose. The DSA is also limited in its scale in terms of doing politics right now.
Realistically what's your "minimum viable product" to do politics? That's the basic components you can put together in something that early adopters will buy. The DSA can do a trio of "(1) rent is too damn high (2) medicare for all (3) fuck Israel" and focus really hard on districts with vulnerable incumbents who are sacks of potatoes who don't do shit, and that works. But in Nebraska, the guy who runs is an independent and not a DSA member at all. There's this guy Dan Osborn who is doing this and is being advised by the same agency that advised Mamdani, and he wants border security. But he has an economic populist message. I can see that working there.
>>2852770not necessarily you slimy disgusting racist piece of shit. you're not slick trying to slip in anti immigration you nazi fuck. kill yourself. immigration would naturally decline if the USA stopped doing imperialism. if they stopped interfering in other countries affairs through their military, their intelligence agencies, and through international institutions like the IMF. if people could build good live in their own countries they would stay there. a "socialist" USA that nonetheless dedicates significant resources to immigration policing, would be a fascist state. because the only reason they would need to do it is because they have to guard the quality of life of their average citizens from the destitute masses they've created outside their ingroup.
kill yourself.
>>2852770>>2852783You will never have "closed borders" as long as proles work the fields and that shit isn't automated. It relies on super-exploitation your average nativist treatlerite wont do for all their grumbling. The conditions aren't right for socialism in the U.S. as long as they keep swallowing that poison pill, and if history is any lesson, they'll keep doing it and shoot themselves in the foot. You're going to need to coordinate across borders and dismantle the whole system the gives rise to economic migration. If socialists are too cowardly to get that point across they deserve to lose.
>>2852783>Practically speaking it's also that every country in the world has immigration laws of some form or another. Part of my issue though is that you're probably not going to outflank the right on this, so if that is the main issue that we're going to orient politics around, the left is probably going to lose. The DSA is also limited in its scale in terms of doing politics right now. I mean I think the Left COULD outflank both the Republicans and Democrats by completely ignoring the corporate/business interests of immigration and focusing entirely on humanist approaches. Both Dems and Reps are seemingly obsessed with deifying the H1B immigrant: the highly educated usurper that seeks to replace corporate office jobs at a discount to the company and reduce the class position of the person who previously held that job. They've pretty much abandoned the original concept of "low income manual labor" immigrants that this country was built on in favor of creating a myth of America needing high-skill labor. But this position is extremely unpopular with the base of both these parties. They see the writing on the wall that if not AI then an immigrant will be brought in to replace their job, or oftentimes AI is just used as an excuse to eliminate a job followed by bringing in immigrants to fill the AI's position once it becomes obvious that the AI is incapable of doing anything without a human managing it.
Should immigrants be allowed into the US? Of course, but they should be competing with everyone else for the same jobs under the same hiring conditions, not used as a means to cut costs. A person's immigration status should have absolutely no bearing on hiring. We should probably eliminate work-sponsored visas entirely basically. Somehow this is a position that is totally alien to mainstream American politics where immigrants are only ever treated as a resource to be exploited to the detriment of American workers.
This would basically require rewriting the entirety of US immigration law over the last century but I think this is a more equitable position. Though tbh this doesn't even apply to illegal immigrants, it does beg the question is the only thing separating an illegal immigrant from a legal immigrant that their employer is willing to sponsor them? In that case, we should treat illegal immigrants working in the US with all the same rights as any other immigrant and allow them to apply for permanent residency. Cut the middleman employer out of the equation entirely.
>>2852788>It relies on super-exploitation your average nativist treatlerite wont do for all their grumbling.I get what you're saying but this is a pretty economically illiterate position. American workers don't do farmwork not because they hate farming but because farm work pays like shit and has horrible health issues with zero medical protections. The reason migrant laborers do this work is because it's the best option they have, not because they're somehow better suited to farming. In a socialist government we would be prosecuting these exploitative farms and replacing them with government-run farms under a planned economy model and paying the workers appropriately.
Actually when I think about it this is kind of a constant across the entire world. Farmwork is highly undervalued for how crucial it is, and countries, even China, rely on the exploitation of farmers as an underclass to keep food cheap in supermarkets. I really don't believe it's impossible to run a country without artificially deflating food prices but if you have to do so it should be through government subsidies and not underpaying labor.
>>2852791>American workers don't do farmwork not because they hate farming but because farm work pays like shit and has horrible health issues with zero medical protections. No shit, that's why I said it was superexploitation.
>not because they're somehow better suited to farmingThey become better suited to it over time and work faster. Farmers will even go out of their way to hire certain migrants if they get a reputation for being quick. Keep in mind, many have been doing it since they were children and become very adept. Read "Fresh Fruit, Broken Bodies" by Seth M. Holmes if you don't believe me.
Fuck all this immigration talk business. That is the one thing I am proud of this thread vs. The other country threads is it seems like I never see much anti-immigrant posting on here especially compared to the Euros. Appealing to these people's racism is a losing battle. All these supposedly left people that are hung up on this issue are just future avowed Nazis
>>2852554who will decry the left and communism and whatever. You are bending over backwards for people who will be your sworn enemy soon enough no matter how much you try to appease them.
>Which way Western man?I just said this as a joke earlier because I know /pol/ loves saying it and found out it was a neo nazi book.
>William Gayley Simpson was an American White supremacist.[1] He had previously been a left-wing labor activist and Christian, known for his Franciscanism. He then abandoned this and shifted towards a Nietzschean ideology, rejecting the universalism and egalitarianism of Christianity and many of its tenets as incompatible with the West. He later became a White supremacist.[2][3][4]
>Based on his racist and his Nietzschean ideas, he began to write Which Way Western Man? in the 1970s.[5][6][7] Simpson also became a member of William Luther Pierce's neo-Nazi organization the National Alliance.[8]>>2852793And I've seen that story time and time again on /pol/
>I used to be a liberal/socialist/communist etc.<then I learned race science >>2852793The ruling class just uses immigration to import cheap labor
>>2852795It's really not that simple. If they wanted to import labor they could bring all the people they want on guest worker visas and ship them right back regularly as they do with some visas. The fact is we really are the golden billion and people would pay absurd amounts just to live as the lowest caste of treatlerite. I think it's more about people's drive to come to this country and get a piece of the pie than it is the rulings class's desire for labor. I know a lot of immigrants who came here every which way and none of it was the ruling class making some kind of calculated business decision on behalf of the whole ruling class. I mean theoretically with the H1Bs, but I don't know any, but look at what all the people who are getting replaced by H1Bs say. These people are gaming the system with fake credentials and shit. It's not porky being the uber smart strategist. They wouldn't be taking them from fucking India.
>>2852793none of this convo has been about race.
>>2852799I didn't accuse anyone and said from my experience this thread has been much better on that. But from my experience this is often the subtext. Even if nobody ITT that has been the subtext so far, there are always those who claim that is not the subtext but they are really "hiding their power levels."
>>2852816
You know it's not good form to advocate for illegal activity if you actually wish to do it?
>>2852820
But I am an "Illegalist."
>>2852770it's as if you didn't read the entirety of his post except for that sentence
>>2852763> In general much of the world is more ethnocentric than the United States is, as much as the left thinks it's the opposite, because the U.S. is a New World country that has experienced waves of immigration over its history.an underrated point I don't see made often enough.
So what "illegal" activities has /USApol/ conducted recently to protest the illegal American state?
An aside: the ,more illegal an activity is, the cooler it is, even if the same activity or discourse is legal otherwise, if you can find some conundrum to make it illegal, you have won.
You know, I will smack the shit out of all you racists. I'm, sorry but this is simply in my self-interest as part of La Raza Cosmica. I will just fuck you up at every opportunity. You identify yourself clearly as my enemy so there is no middle ground and so therefore I will detach your brain-stem as need be.
>>2852829>So what "illegal" activities has /USApol/ conducted recently to protest the illegal American state? as my own lawyer i have done nothing, but i know for a fact that /usapol/ has blown up 12 factories supplying israel
>>2852787truth nuke but deployed with too much salt for the target to taste
>>2852829This post glows (literally)
>>2852068WHY do the archives not work.
>>2852796This whole conversation doesn't matter because trump killed the H1-B and stopped immigration already. 2025 was the first year in American history where the population decreased. The birth rate issue will bite harder now
The previous period of free and easy immigration from 1946-2025 was a product of the Neoliberal Globalist Era which is now over. Protectionism and tariffs now reign and global conflict is soon to follow.the immigration 'issue' is simply moot. communists should focus on more important things
>>2852909They are fat and on the older side of thing both of which correlates with lower T in males.
>>2852918>This whole conversation doesn't matter because trump killed the H1-B and stopped immigration alreadyHe did neither of those things and you need to go back.
>>2852930Uh oh someones been living under a rock. Maybe start paying attention
>The US Is Flirting With Its First-Ever Population DeclineAmericaโs population wasnโt expected to start falling until 2081.
>Trumpโs immigration crackdown means it could happen as soon as this year.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-30/trump-immigration-crackdown-could-shrink-us-population-for-first-time >>2852982Trump has deported 600k people and killed 1.4 million via human traficiking, hunger and disease in camps.
>>2853000How is that died?
>>2852982'died' as in 'no longer able to fulfill its intended purpose'
What was immigrations intended purpose from the perspective of porky? To address the issues of negative birthdates brought on by industrialization. Why is that bad? Bourgeoise society is fucked up and lopsided enough to where the labor pool is unable to replenish itself over time. Capitalism cannot expand with a shrinking work force because labor gets irreversibly more expensive in a world of shrinking capitalist profit.
The world has industrialized to a point where negative birthdates are global, even in places like India and Bangladesh. Immigration was always going to be a temporary solution, so communists should recognize that it's stupid to rally for or against immigration just like it's stupid to rally for or against protectionism/free trade, these policies come and go as global conditions change. We are in a post globalist world where immigration isn't a solution porky can use anymore, what you see is trump and co adapting to it. What will probably replace it is fascist coded government policies to force people to have big families again.
>>2853004>'died' as in 'no longer able to fulfill its intended purpose'>What was immigrations intended purpose from the perspective of porky?Porky is not everyone.
>>2853008Porky is the one that matters the most.
>>2853008only porky sets immigration policy midwit
>>2853010>Porky is the one that matters the mostDepends on your perspective and class.
>>2853011>only porky sets immigration policy midwitPolicy, not the issue as a whole
>>2853013this 'issue' as a whole exists solely because of capitalist societal imbalance. Get rid of porky and the immigration 'issue' vanishes entirely, just like scarcity, intellectual property, etc
The socialists need to organize people around climate change. This is the chance
>>2853021Until then though, it hasnโt died. Itโs merely been disregarded by capitalists.
>>2853028Communists need to strongly interpret climate change as a class issue.
>>2853048All the more reason for communists to focus on real problems. The sad part here is they're not paying attention to and analyzing the changing world around them
>>2852065not the biggest fan of the DSA but this is obviously fake
Treats status? Any innovations?
>>2853063I heard there's a Jalapeno whopper at Burger King. Sounds interesting.
>>2852796>It's really not that simple. oh yeah, it is. for the bourgie, it always is. and more in the us, more than any other place on earth.
>>2853028>The socialists need to organize people around climate changesocialism has always been around that issue. addresses it, and has solutions for it.
>>2853028Youโll ever end up with austerity and the prevention of productive industries in Africa and Latin America
give me the reflecting pool updates plz
>>2853099The pool is now closed to the public and has a dozen military police checkpoints set up to stop ANTIFA supersoldiers from sabotaging the pool at night.
>>2853100Anthropic recently had their latest AI models banned for security reasons so they're putting out fake news and hyping a China threat so they're allowed to release their models again.
>>2853104> ANTIFA supersoldiersWe must send our best trained personnel to sabotage these murals to our capitalist enslavement comrades
>>2853104>>2853099No joke, they literally have national guard stopping people from getting within 50 feet of the pool under threats to arrest them for "loitering" and they've set up multiple AI facial recognition cameras all around it. It's insane.
On a related note, I'm loving these Freedom 250 state fair pictures. Pure burgerpunk
>>2853110>I'm loving these Freedom 250 state fair picturesme too. goes to show how hollowed out the idea of american nationalism is. nobody gives af lmao
>>2852950>You people are pretty slow on the uptake that the immigration issue died over a year ago already. Leftypol never beating the out of touch allegationsyou think statistics matter to chuds because you are a retard. but when trump ran in 2016 on building the wall, illegal border crossings in the South had been on the decline for over a decade. you can just make shit up and chuds will believe because they are cattle.
portions of the mexican border wall along new mexico were just destroyed by a cross-border raid by a mexican cartel
>>2853122Is the CIA invading the United States now?
>>2853121>mentally stuck in the 90sLenin studied and cited plenty of bourgeois sources in his writings lib
>>2853122>>2853123blowback imperial boomerang moment
>>2853126immigration could be net negative and burgers would still be freaking out about it because their feelings do not care about facts
>>2853097>tbf, under this climate in the US regime, it's highly illegal to post here nowWhen all is illegal, nothing shall be illegal
>>2853132Hot potatoed and Weimared. As soon as the Republicans start capitulating in full, we will have two paths ahead of us.
>>2853130illegality or legality as a categorical status honestly doesn't matter. what matters is whether the powers that be can successfully mobilize on average to prevent something from happening. If they can, it is effectively illegal. If they cannot, it is effectively legal.
Can someone fill me in on the Scott Wiener situation?
>>2853137Democrat are all chuds, and Scott is the latest to reveal themself
>>2853145Great man theory garbage
>>2853100recently the US declared that all future AI models need government permission to use.
they're basically setting the AI industry up for collapse.
>>2853148>>2853100Why do they even care? It's never been available to anyone locally. It's the greatest honeypot of all time.
>ChatGPT, write me some code to hack the government and sheeeit>Thinking>Thinking<The vans are on their way >>2853147nah this is doodoo head theory
>>2853152the US government is full of retards who fell for the AI scam.
they think these models are actually revolutionary and a national resource to be protected and hoarded.
>>2853152>It's never been available to anyone locally. there's a ton of open source models that you can run locally though. deepseek can be run locally. nobody does it that way mind you. because most people don't want to spend two hours typing terminal commands, they just want to go to a wesbsite
>>2853145every president bad. the job is to be dark lord of the global empire on a dying planet.
>>2853162he's talking about the commercial AI models US companies put out.
you can't really run Claude, Grok, or GPT locally because their business model is selling access to stupid fucks.
>>2853162>there's a ton of open source models that you can run locally though.I was talking about ChatGPT specifically which was what was in the tweet I replied to. These cloud AIs don't even try to hide they're building profiles on you, they announce it proudly. I was asking some question to Gemini about some technical thing and then it said:
"Well for people who like to play complex 4x games like Space Empires this should be a piece of cake…" or something like that. I had forgot, and forgot again the game I had asked it about months ago and it randomly decided to interject it like "I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN, I KNOW THINGS ABOUT YOU!" Apparently some people must like that creepy shit because there is no other reason they would make that a feature.
The only saving grace is the government seems to be legitimately retarded. If I was them… But you know, I think if shit really started heating up, I think you'd see them build competency quickly.
>>2853166i find that shitGPT loses context fast if you only talk to it logged out. it's still probably building a profile based on your IP but it can't really peg you if you ask it questions from multiple standpoints, including standpoints you don't really agree with.
>>2852128Yes and no. There are many situations in which technological improvements are semi-deliberately avoided. For example, sectors that rely on slavery or immiserated migrant workers tend to lag technologically.
People bring out this quote but they don't discuss the concrete technological developments that we need which capitalism hinders. I suppose some developments might include ubiquitous high-density housing and consequently ubiquitous mass transit, childcare, diners and laundry services.
Anyhow I think that it's better to talk about specific ways that capitalism is a fetter on the productive forces rather than take a technological determinism reductionist approach.
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>>2853177>I think you'd see them build competency quicklyNah, theyโll mostly just go feral
>>2853129This. We litteray can take at the UK for this Keir Starmer (PBUH) reduced immigration to levels unsee since half a century and his government still get defamed as the guys importing one trillion pakistani into england while his detractors worship Orbans or Meloni who actually imported one trillion brown people.
It is purely vibe based and we gain nothing in tailing the right on any of it's concerns except maybe crime.
>>2853187>>2853129Pretty sure there was a Chapo episode where they talked about Trump supporters who were fretting about immigration and the border under Biden and even as they were disappointed with Trump they claimed "Well, Trump fixed that!"
It's literally just vibes. The best way to solve the "immigration crisis" is just to censor right wing news. It's a made up issue. It's not based in reality.
>>2853166these AI models are freaky
note: no photo was attached
>>2853187That's cause the objective is to have a work force without citizenship, like the Gulf States.
>>2853097>tbf, under this climate in the US regime, it's highly illegal to post here nowIn the EU we will soon have to attach our government ID to to post on the internet. They are currently cracking down on VPNs which fail to be backdoored/honeypotted enough, in preparation. The Epstein class just can't stop thinking of protecting them children, it seems.
I find it hilarious that the European part of NATO is getting the
FREEDOM FIREWALL before Trumpland. We are also working overtime to import your delightful culture war, just in case. For less terminally online people, it's like those abstract perfume TV ads they don't bother translating. Utter nonsense.
https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/faqs/eu-age-verification-solution >>2853225To be honest, as a burger the EU has always been a bit of a mixed bag to me. I think y'all are better with your governments making sure companies are just blatantly feeding you poison, but some of the shit with free speech rights and the like seem sketchy.
>>2853228the EU's censorship/nanny state laws are insane but America is quickly moving in that direction so I can't even say we're better off.
>>2853063>Treats status? Any innovations?I noticed I am not getting my money's worth lately when it comes to food. Whether it's healthy food like Broccoli or junk food like chips, I have purchased a food scale, and I regularly find that containers of food contain fewer servings than advertised on the nutrition facts.
>>2853191yes. Obama deported more than Bush, and by the time Trump ran on a "build the wall" platform, illegal border crossings had been on the decline for over 10 years. again. chud feelings do not care about facts.
i'm gonna fucking vote. try and stop me
>>2853242Peak Woke era slop…
>>2853249it's from the 1980s
Woke Reagan
>>2853205why is his stance always comical
>>2853232>>2853225>>2853232The only way these politicians are going to realize this "age Verification" (Identity Confirmation) BS is a terrible idea is if someone steals their identity and does crimes in their name.
Seriously its been proven that they simply can't keep information safe from hackers. There have been many Data Breaches every time some Age Verification program has been rolled out. The EU Age verification app was hacked in less than a day and criminals made off with so many people's personal information.
>>2853291Is it raining or is it too hot?
>>2853296It's raining, not very much though. And considering half of this shit is in air conditioned tents you'd think they'd be able to withstand the weather better. Vanilla Ice also pulled out just yesterday because of "inclement weather" but I suspect he's just trying to save face
>>2853351
Do something about it, oh wait you wonโt because youโre a pussy
>>2853357
Either do another 9/11 or quit fucking complaining
>>2853360
>>2853357
>>2853351
Booooo, not the real Iron Felix. You're a fraud. A phoney. Get better material
>>2853225Damn Euros won't be able to shitpost without getting a knock on their door lmao
JD VANCE WAS JUST POISONED
>>2853368That's right, dead serious about going to Itchy & Scratchy Land!
>>2853365>Damn Euros won't be able to shitpost without getting a knock on their door lmaoThe thing is, for the average normie that's the least harmful part of this policy. The surveillance, the extrajudicial sanctions for "disinformation" (lookup Hรผseyin Dogru) or the proposals to mandate every social media to astroturf the official narrative in their algos are already a reality. These things aren't going to be enforced unless they really want to get you, an outlier, and for that they don't need "age verification", the five eyes already see all and nobody cares when the hammer comes down on the small guy.
What this means for normies is a massive auction of their data, legal or not, with an unprecedented level of detail. The government is the one bugging your devices and they are linked to your IRL identity now. That data, again legally or not, will enter the market as soon as it is implemented. Think of dynamic pricing, algo mindfuckery and all the things app-slavery owners do to their "employees", but society wide and backed by the EU.
>>2853365this is coming to the entire world buddy
>>2853370https://www.cesj.org/about-cesj-in-brief/history-accomplishments/pres-reagans-speech-on-project-economic-justice/President Ronald Reaganโs Speech on Project Economic JusticeSJW Reagan lol.
>There is no reason to believe that the citizens of most countries with struggling economies are not as bright, hard-working, and capable as those in countries which are enjoying great progress
>I canโt help but believe that in the future we will see in the United States and throughout the western world an increasing trend toward the next logical step, employee ownership. It is a path that befits a free people.
>Walter Reuther was one of the first major labor leaders to advocate that management and labor shift away from battling over wage and benefit levels to a cooperative effort aimed at sharing in the ownership of the new wealth being produced. He was looking far beyond the next contract. There is a story that Reuther was touring a highly automated Ford Assembly Plant when someone said, Walter, youโre going to have a hard time collecting union dues from all these machines. Reuther simply shot back, not as hard a time as youโre going to have selling them cars.
>Reuther was killed in a tragic place accident in 1970, so he did not live to see passage of legislation sponsored by Senator Russell Long of Louisiana that provides incentives for Employee Stock Ownership Plans, or ESOPโs.
>In recent years, we have witnessed medium-sized and even some large corporations being purchased, in part or in whole, by their employees. Weirton Steel in West Virginia, Loweโs Companies in North Carolina, The Milwaukee Journal, Lincoln Electric Company of Cleveland, Ohio, and many others are now manned by employees who are also owners.
>The energy and vitality unleashed by this kind of Peopleโs Capitalism-free and open markets, robust competition, and broad-based ownership of the means of production- can serve this nation well. It can also be a boon, if given a chance, to the people of the developing world. Nowhere is the potential for this greater than in Central America.
< People's Capitalism<broad-based ownership of the means of productionSo Reagan is Dick Wolff gang huh?
https://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch16s27.html>It is a law of nature, now well understood, that the earth under a civilized cultivation is capable of yielding subsistence for a large surplus of consumers beyond those having an immediate interest in the soil; a surplus which must increase with the increasing improvements in agriculture, and the labour-saving arts applied to it. And it is a lot of humanity, that of this surplus a large proportion is necessarily reduced by a competition for employment to wages which afford them the bare necessaries of life. The proportion being without property, or the hope of acquiring it, cannot be expected to sympathize sufficiently with its rights to be safe depositories of power over them.…
>How far this view of the subject will be affected by the republican laws of descent and distribution, in equalizing the property of the citizens and in reducing to the minimum mutual surpluses for mutual supplies, cannot be inferred from any direct and adequate experiment. One result would seem to be a deficiency of the capital for the expensive establishments which facilitate labour and cheapen its products on one hand; and on the other, of the capacity to purchase the costly and ornamental articles consumed by the wealthy alone, who must cease to be idlers and become labourers. Another, the increased mass of labourers added to the production of necessaries by the withdrawal for this object, of a part of those now employed in producing luxuries, and the addition to the labourers from the class of present consumers of luxuries. To the effect of these changes, intellectual, moral, and social, the institutions and laws of the country must be adapted; and it will require for the task all the wisdom of the wisest patriots. >2030
>JDPON invades and destroys amerikkka
>burgers living in the ruins
>one burger turns to another
>"how did this happen?"
>the other burger answers
>"it's because we didn't spend enough money on defending ourselves from the barbarians"
>>2853388fascism already established that wars are just a wealth transfer to the ruling class from the state.
>>2853388Imperialism is stupid and its own grave digger.
>>2853392> The World War, rather our brief participation in it, has cost the United States some $52,000,000,000. Figure it out. That means $400 to every American man, woman, and child. And we haven't paid the debt yet. We are paying it, our children will pay it, and our children's children probably still will be paying the cost of that war.
>The normal profits of a business concern in the United States are six, eight, ten, and sometimes twelve percent. But war-time profits – ah! that is another matter – twenty, sixty, one hundred, three hundred, and even eighteen hundred per cent – the sky is the limit. All that traffic will bear. Uncle Sam has the money. Let's get it.
>Of course, it isn't put that crudely in war time. It is dressed into speeches about patriotism, love of country, and "we must all put our shoulders to the wheel," but the profits jump and leap and skyrocket – and are safely pocketed. Let's just take a few examples:
>Take our friends the du Ponts, the powder people – didn't one of them testify before a Senate committee recently that their powder won the war? Or saved the world for democracy? Or something? How did they do in the war? They were a patriotic corporation. Well, the average earnings of the du Ponts for the period 1910 to 1914 were $6,000,000 a year. It wasn't much, but the du Ponts managed to get along on it. Now let's look at their average yearly profit during the war years, 1914 to 1918. Fifty-eight million dollars a year profit we find! Nearly ten times that of normal times, and the profits of normal times were pretty good. An increase in profits of more than 950 per cent.
<Who provides the profits – these nice little profits of 20, 100, 300, 1,500 and 1,800 per cent? We all pay them – in taxation. We paid the bankers their profits when we bought Liberty Bonds at $100.00 and sold them back at $84 or $86 to the bankers. These bankers collected $100 plus. It was a simple manipulation. The bankers control the security marts. It was easy for them to depress the price of these bonds. Then all of us – the people – got frightened and sold the bonds at $84 or $86. The bankers bought them. Then these same bankers stimulated a boom and government bonds went to par – and above. Then the bankers collected their profits. >>2853388>only a tiny fraction of it went to caring for the pwecious twoops americans allegedly care so much about
<But the soldier pays the biggest part of the bill.
<If you don't believe this, visit the American cemeteries on the battlefields abroad. Or visit any of the veteran's hospitals in the United States. On a tour of the country, in the midst of which I am at the time of this writing, I have visited eighteen government hospitals for veterans. In them are a total of about 50,000 destroyed men – men who were the pick of the nation eighteen years ago. The very able chief surgeon at the government hospital; at Milwaukee, where there are 3,800 of the living dead, told me that mortality among veterans is three times as great as among those who stayed at home.
<Boys with a normal viewpoint were taken out of the fields and offices and factories and classrooms and put into the ranks. There they were remolded; they were made over; they were made to "about face"; to regard murder as the order of the day. They were put shoulder to shoulder and, through mass psychology, they were entirely changed. We used them for a couple of years and trained them to think nothing at all of killing or of being killed.<We used them for a couple of years and trained them to think nothing at all of killing or of being killed.They literally made a WW2 PSA called that.
<Then, suddenly, we discharged them and told them to make another "about face" ! This time they had to do their own readjustment, sans [without] mass psychology, sans officers' aid and advice and sans nation-wide propaganda. We didn't need them any more. So we scattered them about without any "three-minute" or "Liberty Loan" speeches or parades. Many, too many, of these fine young boys are eventually destroyed, mentally, because they could not make that final "about face" alone. >>2853388>material explanation?I guess:
>Turned Iraq into a literal colony from a nationalist threat and OPEC stakeholder>Turned Yemen into a killing field>Turned Iran into a business partner>Profited immensely from Afghani and Iraqi puppet kleptocracies>Profited immensely from MIC sales>Had most of the world's Heroin supply for twenty years in dark money>Retarded multipolar ambitions by enlisting(China Russia Iran) or harassing(India through Pakistan) the regulars>Tore a bloody scar in the region making the above's counter hegemonic trade routes and deals disincentivized>Kept Israel ascendant and Israel's rivals busy >Created ISIS and a dozen different franchises of Al-Qaeda for the CIA to sick on US rivals worldwide>Opened up Syria to be next with Baathism gone and Kurds and Islamoids chomping at the bit, to fall for it again >>2853395Are you still quoting the racket book?
>>2853431I mean fretting about immigrants taking jobs has been a staple of American politics for longer than just the H1B thing. Itโs just I think that deindustrialization has rendered it mostly moot for the โlower classesโ.
Apparently Stephen Miller wants to intern the disabled
>>2853431>eally 'interesting' that no one cared about immigrants taking "low skill" jobsAre you serious? Did you somehow miss out on the last 2 years or decades of conservative discourse? You dont know who or what Stephen Miller or ICE is? Anyhow conservatives are retarded and water is wet. Everyone should be concerned about immigrants taking high skill jobs imho. But the conservatives that want farm workers and day laborers out apparently had a melt down after Elon told Trump to allow more H1B workers.
>>2853432correct but given how tech workers absolutely refused to unionize for decades it's kind of funny seeing them get replaced while thinking this couldn't possibly happen to them. I remember when the response to people being laid off or having their jobs outsourced was "learn to code lol".
still H1B's should probably be banned, they provide no economic benefit to society and have a brain drain effect on the 3rd world.
>>2853436Tech is fake and no one should work in it
>>2853435there were never any conservatives who wanted migrant workers and day laborers out tbh. Trump already backtracked on that and started selling businesses "illegal immigrant passes" like a month after ICE started cracking down. I'm sure you can find articles on it but I'm too lazy rn. Trump's donors basically rebelled that they couldn't keep their slave farms going if he actually deported all the illegals so he had to relent. the ICE shit in major cities is like 90% for show and to harass/dehumanize browns, legal or illegal, into living in constant fear. the goal is not actually to purge the workforce of illegal workers as conservatives are the primary employers of those workers lol.
>>2853439>there were never any conservatives who wanted migrant workers and day laborers out tbhDude Stephen Miller literally said he wants all non-whites out. I dont know what else people think mass deportation means. Anyone with a brain could saw it coming that the project would be a shit show and nigh-impossible to pull off. So ya like i was saying, they're retarded.
>>2853122excuses to invade mexico, now?
>>2853440Stephen Miller is not really politically relevant at all. He isn't a major donor. He isn't a friend of Trump. He isn't a politician. The only thing he has going for him is being a member of the Baal worshiper tribe. His job is just being a cheerleader for the Trump admin and putting a white supremacist spin on everything they do for the base to eat up. He's like that Chinese(?) guy who was in charge of Trump's campaign in 2024 who just responded "go fuck yourself" to every press question or scandal to rile up the base.
Porkies will not ever allow "all non-whites out" to be enacted. In fact they are importing more non-whites than ever. The goal has always been dehumanization and fear and destabilizing major cities. Immigration enforcement is just the excuse. You can tell this is the case because ICE aren't even targeting illegals they harass literally EVERYONE and probably spend more time arresting people who look at them funny than arresting immigrants. If the goal was actually purging immigrants, why are these people locked in ICE facilities for over a year instead of being deported immediately? Why are they in places like Minneapolis instead of the southern border? Why are they patrolling the streets of major cities "looking" for illegals instead of just rolling up to farms and arresting everyone there? If this is a genuine attempt to solve immigration then they're doing it in the most retarded way possible. If this is instead an attempt to set the stage for occupying dissenting cities with a far-right military force then they're doing it exactly as one would expect.
>>2853445>If this is instead an attempt to set the stage for occupying dissenting cities with a far-right military force then they're doing it exactly as one would expect.Well that's the meta clearly but naturally you have to find some vulnerable population to corral first. In this case it was blacks and browns…again. What this administration does or doesn't want is ultimately irrelevant to me. I just feel a lot better putting 0 trust in my safety or freedom under any government named USA.
>>2853436I get the Schadenfreud man. I had some tech douchebag tell me that Iโm replaceable, unlike him, and that โIndians can NEVER take my job because I already know more than them and can just grind more certs if need be.โ So seeing AI and H1Bs hit the tech industry hard, itโs easy to go โI told you so.โ
But as you said, this is still bad in the grand scheme of things. Looks like there arenโt gonna be any stable careers in the future.
>>2853458I can't tell if you're shitting on the DPRK for instituting this or shitting on the USA for not instituting this.
>>2853451
>im mad that my internet LARPing isnโt taken seriously so im going to scream pedo and Zionist at everybody for paragraphs on end
I'm not surprised the tech industry is in bad shape now because it seemed pretty obvious it was a bubble a few years ago and the mass layoffs were starting even before the AI or whatever. What do techies even do? How much work is it to just keep the same old app or website running? I'd care about the industry if they were actually doing anything important, but instead they're just doing stupid bullshit like making youtube glow now when you play videos. How many people does that really take to achieve anyways?
>>2853453
Youโre allowed to say โfuckโ here. Nobody will care
>>2853456
Buddy, Iโve been seeing you shit up this board for years on end with your illiterate takes.
Youโre mad people here donโt take you seriously, so youโre crashing out.
>>2852867I'm kinda meh about this. I think it makes sense to read some of the bible in literature classes considering it's the most influential book of all time. In California we had the Book of Ruth in our English textbook and probably some other religions.
>>2853431has claude code even been around for 10 years
>>2853476That's why it's circled.
>>2853431>what is the marxist explanation for H1B fraud?you need wallerstein for this. i don't even think H1B is the issue, only retarded people think this. the thing is that porky went abroad looking for cheap IT workers and the periphery and semi-periphery is now perfectly capable of supplying competent tech roles now that the imperial core lost the monopoly on the tech industry. like google has offices in mexico city, el salvador, colombia and sao paolo, these are all major tech hubs now and have been for like 10 years. paypal, amazon, ebay, pinterest, msft all have HQs on latam. and that's without mentioning other tech hubs outside of semi-perihpery like hyderabad, which also has major FAANG presence. it turns out you can only select one of these options
a) keep a monopoly of high tech industry within the imperial core
b) drive profits up
guess which option the US tech industry chose. anyway it's over, the result of the imperial core losing its monopoly is exactly what you're feeling right now, if you're a US tech bro, you might as well kill yourself, because you're also living through an unprecedented moment too where the next big thing, AI, might not even be exclusive to the US, so the high paying jobs are not going to come back anymore.
>>2853431>i find it interesting that people online are office workers and not manual laborersreally?
>>2853478>i don't even think H1B is the issue, only retarded people think this. It's just a fact. There is so much fucking fraud going on there and it's mind-boggling why the companies are just accepting it. It's like they don't care or something.
https://www.reddit.com/r/h1b/comments/1fqgjly/people_who_fake_experience/https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/1p79l61/us_economist_alleges_industrialscale_fraud_in/https://americanbazaaronline.com/2026/06/07/100000-fake-degrees-raise-h-1b-visa-concerns-482334/
>A sweeping investigation in India has uncovered a large-scale academic fraud network involving counterfeit university degrees, prompting renewed scrutiny of credential verification in the U.S. H-1B visa system. It also raises concerns for employers, immigration authorities, and the broader Indian diaspora.
>According to a report by The Financial Express, citing Insider Wire and Indian law enforcement authorities, investigators have seized nearly 100,000 fake degree certificates and forged academic documents linked to at least 28 universities across India. Authorities allege that some fraudulent credentials may have been used to support applications for U.S. H-1B visas, one of the primary pathways for highly skilled foreign workers seeking employment in America. >>2853481>It's just a fact. The amount of H1B workers is minimal, you have to be a literal imbecile to believe this is the issue and not that flat out the entire tech industry is defacto operating abroad.
>>2853483to further my point, this is the exact same process that drove de-industrialization during the 90s, except vastly more accelerated because it's insanely easier to transfer tech roles abroad. anyway like i said, it's over no matter how much you bitch about H1Bs, kill yourself.
>>2853487I wonder why you're taking this discussion so personally.
>>2853481>spam links reddit threads and cares about corporate integrity unironicallyAre you lost? Go back to Reddit or Pol or Twitter or wherever you came from, this is a Marxist board.
>>2853488are you accusing anon of being indian, please just say it, that would make this thread so much funnier
it's so funny too when people online bitch about H1Bs, because if you make it harder for companies to hire H1B workers, that will only accelerate the process of outsourcing and relocation, which makes it harder for US tech workers to get jobs because now it's not just a handful of jobs getting exported, it's entire operational processes. just retarded bitch made people all around, little useless treatlerites working redundant shit jobs getting what was coming to them.
>>2853492porky juggles 3 balls
one is labeled "immigration"
one is labeled "outsourcing"
one is labeled "automation"
what enables porky to juggle the balls is his ownership over the means of production
but his audience is so captivated by the balls he is juggling, and the unique characteristics of each one, that they cannot bring themselves to consider what they are each a symptom of: Capitalism.
>>2853494>but his audience is so captivated by the balls he is juggling, and the unique characteristics of each one, that they cannot bring themselves to consider what they are each a symptom of: Capitalism.yeah at some point US proles will have to swallow the hard pill and start to recognize that the proletarian has long been globalized and that they will need to go at the root cause eventually. or they will genocide the third world, one or the other
It's really crazy that fraud = bad is a controversial opinion on /leftypol/
>>2853499you asked for an analysis when you actually wanted people to lick your unemployed wounds and some surface level moralizing all along, you should have said so sooner, anon.
>>2853499Whatever stupid bullshit you're crying about is nothing compared to the entire society that defrauds the working class at an industrial scale.
>>2853499fraud = good when i do it
fraud = bad when you do it
>>2853500I'm not that anon and you said absolutely nothing insightful.
>Employers want to save money>Capitalism badWow, what an insight.
>>2853504it's actually the fact that high salaried jobs exist artificially through industrial monopoly enforced through a brutal economic, political and war regime, and that at some point this monopoly goes the way of the dodo as porkies finding themselves in increased, heated competition scramble to bring costs down, transferring operations to cheaper places. this implies that unless the US cobbles a brand new monopoly (for example, around AI), high paying jobs will never come back. ever.
>>2853510 (me)
this also means that the H1B, beyond "saving money", mostly exists to encourage the tech industry to stay within the US and imperial core borders, which does eventually translate to jobs. tech bros in xitter bitching about it are itching to shoot themselves in the foot, which mimics trump's erratic nativist retardation which inevitably blows up in his face each and every time, because it does precisely the opposite of what it intends to do: it accelerates offshoring by making it harder for porky to run their business in the US. Tech monkeys complaining about H1Bs are just as retarded.
>>2853510>porkies finding themselves in increased, heated competition scramble to bring costs downyou're falling for a porkie lie right here.
they aren't outsourcing or importing immigrants due to "competition" they're doing it because line must go up. cutting operational costs(primarily through payroll cuts) accounts for a massive amount of American corporate profits that they can then dangle to investors in the hopes it raises the stock price. The fact the people instituting these policies have no interest in the long-term health of the company and just need to cash out their stock options is why this happens. Capitalism, at its core, doesn't even involve competition or efficiency. The entire economic model can be summed up as "fuck you got mine". There is no consideration of things like societal impact or the health of the company or even long term growth in these decisions. It's entirely self-serving retardation, from the porky CEO to the MAGA chud prole.
It's no secret that most of these roles being outsourced or replaced often end up making the company fail to even function anymore because in their zeal to replace jobs for a 50% pay cut they can't actually hire anyone that meets the -actual- requirements for the job. But no one cares. Because on the balance sheet it shows a 50% reduction in payroll which means the company saved $5 billion dollars or something. Investors will eat that shit up. The company will collapse in 5, 10, or 20 years and be eaten by a private investment firm that specializes in corporate liquidation. All those immigrants will be unemployed when the scam collapses and the company is sold for parts. Rinse repeat. This is Capitalism eating itself to maintain infinite growth.
>>2853519correct and marxpilled
>>2853458imagine believing any english-language claims about shit going on in the DPRK
>>2853519>they aren't outsourcing or importing immigrants due to "competition" they're doing it because line must go up.same thing, why do you think they need to keep line going up. if it doesnt go up then investor money goes elsewhere.
>It's no secret that most of these roles being outsourced or replaced often end up making the company fail to even function anymoreuh, no? the fact that de-industrialization was so thorough in the US is a testament that outsourcing is very effective? what are you even talking about lmfao
> This is Capitalism eating itself to maintain infinite growth.this is just a kondratiev wave on the downturn, if you were burn during the late 80s or the 90s, you have been living through its upside for your entire life pretty much.
>>2853522>kondratiev wave quick rundown? doesn't sound like a concept I should trust AI to explain
>>2853522>this is just a kondratiev wave on the downturn, if you were burn during the late 80s or the 90s, you have been living through its upside for your entire life pretty much.That's just objectively false.
I notice a lot of posters here are purely driven by emotion but they like to try and intellectualize it somewhat but reveal it with how much they always have to interject DIE SCUM KILL YOURSELF YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED! Yeesh.
>>2853522>uh, no? the fact that de-industrialization was so thorough in the US is a testament that outsourcing is very effective? what are you even talking about lmfaodeindustrialization was also purely about short-term profits tho. you're speaking of the 80's as if the entire era doesn't have a reputation of sleazy corporate execs doing evil shit. like holy shit American Psycho is based on this era lol.
>>2853523might as well just quote wallerstein
> The normal evolution of the leading industries-the slow dissolution of the quasi-monopolies-is what accounts for the cyclical rhythms of the world-economy. A major leading industry will be a major stimulus to the expansion of the world-economy and will result in considerable accumulation of capital. But it also normally leads to more extensive employment in the world-economy, higher wage-levels, and a general sense of relative prosperity. As more and more firms enter the market of the erstwhile quasi monopoly, there will be "overproduction" (that is, too much production for the real effective demand at a given time) and consequently increased price competition (because of the demand squeeze), thus lowering the rates of profit. At some point, a buildup of unsold products results, and consequently a slowdown in further production.
>When this happens, we tend to see a reversal of the cyclical curve of the world-economy. We talk of stagnation or recession in the world-economy. Rates of unemployment rise worldwide. Producers seek to reduce costs in order to maintain their share of the world market. One of the mechanisms is relocation of the production processes to zones that have historically lowerwages, that is, to semiperipheral countries. This shift puts pressure on the wage levels in the processes still remaining in core zones, and wages there tend to become lower as well.
> The process we have been describing-expansion of the world-economy when there are quasi-monopolistic leading industries and contraction in the world-economy when there is a lowering of the intensity of quasi monopoly-can be drawn as an up-and-down curve of so-called A-(expansion) and B- (stagnation) phases.
> A cycle consisting of an A-phase followed by a B-phase is sometimes referred to as a Kondratieff cycle, after the economist who described this phenomenon with clarity in the beginning of the twentieth century. I work with this immigrant Muslim guy and I never heard him say anything racist ever. But one time we were on a work trip and when we got in the motel room he found some bedbugs, and we went to the Indian owners(every single one in America is lol, no matter how small the town) and they claimed they had no idea about the bedbugs. We went and booked at another hotel and when we were driving there he said:
>Indians have no scruples Apparently he had some bad experience with some rich Indian cunts when he was working as a security guard.
My uncle works at a small company that makes like sanitary products or something and it was bought by Indians and the first thing they did was ask him to break the law to try and save on some costs and he told them:
>Fuck no! I'm not going to jail for you lol.https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/comments/1mz6z5t/the_world_doesnt_want_us_anymore_indians_facing/>>2853528< uh uhmm have you considered this movie??come on, buddy.
>>2853522>uh, no? the fact that de-industrialization was so thorough in the US is a testament that outsourcing is very effective? what are you even talking about lmfaoHow is it effective if they can't even make perform the service or make the product correctly? Customer service is the strangest thing to outsource because it's not an absolute requirement of the business and really only serves as public relations/advertising to bolster your company's reputation. If people are just going to be pissed off they're speaking to someone with broken English, what's the point? Might as well have no customer service.
Also in general a lot of you act like every decisions corporations make is all 5D chess. No frankly a lot of it is just retarded or chasing short term cost-savings and then they end up quickly going out of business.
>>2853532Last time I went to a (fairly nice) indian restaurant the indian waiter manually input a 50% tip onto a $200 bill before handing us the tablet I was kind of dumbfounded at his audacity did he think no one would notice? I'm not sure if the manager was in on it or not but he pretended to scold the waiter and gave us a 10% discount lol.
>>2853540>Also in general a lot of you act like every decisions corporations make is all 5D chess. No frankly a lot of it is just retarded or chasing short term cost-savings and then they end up quickly going out of business.People have this same assumption about politics. They always treat every organization or entity as if it's a hivemind and not just a bunch of self-serving retards often in conflict with eachother.
>>2853541>Last time I went to a (fairly nice) indian restaurantThe ones around here keep getting shut down by health inspectors. It's like, oh man. It's practically a weekly event that one of these places gets shuttered. Some say it's the caste system, that kind of cleaning work was historically relegated to the people on the bottom rungs, so the upper-caste people have no sense of cleaning up. It's not "their responsibility." But Indians keep the inside of their homes very clean. I dated someone from there and he kept his place immaculate. There's a real bipolar split between the private and public sphere like that because outdoors is just a disaster zone from what I've seen.
Hindu nationalism is not helping. Most people talk about the chauvinism and violent lashing out at minorities in India. But another aspect is just closing off critical thinking and squashing everybody. It's a defensive / reactive ideological formation. Not unique to India, it's like MAGA. When people point out that there's something really going haywire it's like HOW DARE YOU. It's like insulting "them" and you're spreading anti-Indian and anti-Hindu stereotypes, and some people do, which probably doesn't help either because they double down as everybody gets increasingly angrier at each other.
>>2853540> Customer serviceUnironically I think you're several layers of stupid because you're literally extrapolating from a small client-facing portion which isn't even a priority for most businesses, and also as if most manufactured goods, and like 80% of software wasn't all literally made abroad. Like uygha literally you can't be for real lmfao
> Also in general a lot of you act like every decisions corporations make is all 5D chess
also some of you fuckers cant handle anything that isn't minced down lassalleanism the way you think this is what i'm saying, your brain is leaking out of your ear just at the mere sight of something a bit more holistic than iron law of wages. how did you even get the impression that i'm giving corporations that level of agency over economic cycles. baffling.
>>2853554>80% of software wasn't all literally made abroad.What do you mean by 80% of software and what are you basing this statistic off of?
>>2853553I like his chickens
>>2853553isn't this just rehabilitating capitalism by saying we don't have it anymore when we very obviously do
>>2853553>>2853578ok disregard my question this is actually a really good fucking video
>>2853440I am sure Stephen Miller will deport Usha Vance, Vivek Vance and his own wife any day soon.
>>2853445Very correct post. ICE is being used a gestapo for the GOP and potential militia in the case things goes south, they are not there to deport the browns at all.
>>2853610no native americans. no black people. the USA is a white supremacist fascist country.
>>2853610They clearly told the AI to do a Robert McCall knock off
>>2853660>12 tribes which we all come from are from Israel,what is this theology? i thought it was jew vs gentine
we need reddit atheism again
>>2853673a synthesis must begin
>>2853644Zionism is a Jewish supremacist ideology and Israel is a Jewish supremacist state. But that doesn't mean there aren't notions of white supremacy within Israeli society and contradictions between Israeli Jews of Ashkenazi (European) descent and Israeli Jews of other origins, particularly Middle Eastern Jews. This leads to things like the kidnapping of Yemeni Jewish children and the sterilization of Ethiopian Jewish women.
>>2853644I always knew Israel's nuclear weapons armament would be stored in their submarine fleet to ensure they could nuke everyone if their ground forces and air force got destroyed. Feels good to finally be vindicated by a Rabbi who admits it. Idk why Communist orgs and protestors never bring up this point. Feels good to shout from the river to the sea at a rally, but no one mentions that if that truly were to happen it would be the end of the world within the next hour. None of the anti-Zionist people ever bring up this point it's so retarded.
>>2853676More like gentileman am I right fellas
>>2853673>Mormons like everyone including atheistsAre they just built different or lying?
Liking Jews more than other religions is pretty shameful but I feel like this might be part of the confusion between 'religious Jew' and 'ethnic Jew' whereas nobody would say someone was 'ethnically protestant'
>>2853532>Linking post obviously written by a non Indian poltardCmon
>>2853688What about all the hundreds of comments?
>>2853661>what is this theology?unironically mormonism
>>2853556A lot of users here are genuinely stupid and illiterate kids who think posting and slop are a substitute for reading theory, and their antics have basically alienated everyone with half a brain
>>2853684im from utah, they're built different. the constant push to evangelize and convert the people around them is what makes mormons so accommodating, they're taught to be chill with everyone
fun fact about mormons: they agreed not to proseltyze in the land of israel, something israeli authorities have failed to stop evangelical protestants from doing
>>2853689I'm sure some of them are written in bad faith too, and some are real. I don't really deny that Indians are pretty hated but you shouldn't take some probably fake Reddit post as evidence
>>2853702I don't recall anyone asking you for advice.
>>2853661They're just retards who haven't actually read the Bible.
>>2853735>US gets foiled in latest imperial adventure>treats go downHmmmmm
>>2853737Is the wage itself a treat or is what you buy with it a treat?
>>2853735>average hourly earningswell its not too ba-
<average real hourly earningsOH MY GOODNESS
>>2853739Anything above $8-10 an hour is superwages
>>2853741Median US house price: $400,000
Gross weekly salary for $10/hr (40 hours): $400
Number of gross salaries to afford house: 1,000
Number of years to afford house on gross salary: 20 years
Number of years to afford house on net salary: 40-50 years
If you don't have a 50 year mortgate in the US you are a super-exploiter!
>>2853759Ben Shapiro literally admitting what Marx claimed in the Manifesto, that the capitalist scum would rather let the world burn than give up profits.
>>2853759>>2853763Insurance fraud is a crime that heโs actively inciting,
LOCK THAT THUG UP >>2853759Anti-insurance fraud laws are antisemitic.
>>2853735>>2853737where is wrong schizo to tell us real imperialist wage go up
>>2853741>superwagesis that a word for when you can afford to pay your rent and still have enough left over to get food?
>dubious 8-10$ figure nebulously applied to entire country where prices and rents are famously all over the place >>2853746>people who pay rent instead of having a mortage are super exploitersmake it make sense
>>2853673I want to see this broken up by age cohort
>>2853794It doesn't have to make sense to third-worldists
If you're white, you're evil. That is the whole spiel.
>>2853811mmmmmmmm i wasn't looking to start one of those.
also i wouldnt jumble up anti imperialism with anti racism
>>2853816
The older I get, the older I think the voting age should be lol
>>2853816
Did you respond to the correct post? I am not sure how that was meant for me.
>>2853819Roughly 50% of zoomers are the new boomers
>REEEE YOU CANT TELL ME TV IS WRONG!!! I AM SMART DAMMIT<REEEE YOU CANT TELL ME THE INTERNET IS WRONG!!! I AM SMART DAMMITsame as it ever was
>>2853816
I'm not sure how a post that asks a question about an economic statistic has anything to do with "teenagers" or why you wouldn't simply try answering the question. Is it really fear to say someone making $11/hr is making a labor-aristocratic superwage if that is not enough to get rent/food in their city?
>>2853824The fact that youโre jumping to conclusions and loading the premise based on meme arguments you got from online proves my point. โSuperwages.โ Sure bud
>ask a question about economics
>question ignored, called a teenager
>genpol derail sucessful, people now talking about muh zoomer boomer doomer coomer brainrot
>>2853825I was responding to the post that said superwages. I was asking a question of that post and then you called me a teenager. It seems you responded to the wrong post.
>>2853826Easy. I reject your premise because itโs loaded with a bunch of assumptions nobody on this board can justify without descending into a bunch of childish incel screeching over DA HECKIN TREATLER NORMIES REEEE
>>2853827Fair enough, that was meant for the other post
>>2853825>>2853828Since you seem confused I will operate in good faith:
>>2853741this is the post that first used the term "superwage". I did not make that post. I responded to that post with a question here:
>>2853792<is that a word for when you can afford to pay your rent and still have enough left over to get food?it seems you replied to me here implying I am a teenager for asking such a question:
>>2853816Now you are refusing to answer my question, and getting mad at me for using the term "superwage" but I was replying to someone who had already used that term. I was asking a question about the term they used. Slow down and try to understand this please.
>>2853829OK. Got it. Thanks!
tomorrow there will be a xenophobicmass march against foreigners in south africa, much violence expected
>>2853834do you mean a march against boers or what?
>>2853838Against other African workers but especially congolese
offtopic but there is fundamentally no real difference between mercantalism and capitalism. Idk why people seperate them.
>>2853834>>2853842that's cringe and reactionary but what does this have to do with usapol
>>2853846>offtopic but there is fundamentally no real difference between mercantalism and capitalism. Idk why people seperate them.there is a political economy thread but mercantilism was pre-industrial, was characterized by royal charters (i.e. state owned enterprises under a monarchy, be it absolutist or constitutional), and was more about jockeying with supply and demand (shipping goods from areas of oversupply to areas of undersupply). Mercantilism also had a lot of protectionism going on. The era marx was writing it, the era of industrial capital, was more characterized by joint stock private enterprises not owned by the government, automation and machinery, free trade under the british empire, and capital as self expanding value through exploitation of labor power sold as a commodity by the proletariat. Some people have taken to calling Keynesianism "neo mercantilism" but we are no longer in the Keynesian moment. It is interesting though that the USA is trying to become protectionist again, and failing to do so largely despite the tariffs.
>>2853299>hey let's get those loser immigrants who support our company by doing all the hard work that facilitates it, and for slave wages, to worship us in a new commercial!it's shit like this that makes people go postal, y'know.
>>2853855those are screen actors
>>2853744I got banned from a "communist" discord server for saying something like this lmao.
>>2853854Even crown monopolies had joint stock elements though, and shares could be privately owned. Likewise state owned enterprises have long been a part of many capitalist economies. The biggest difference to me seems to be that in a pre-industrial context merchant capital predominated over industrial capital as you said. Profits were made by simply moving something like spices from regions where they were common to regions where they were scarce. I've still never thought that "mercantilism" should be considered its own economic system or mode of production though. It's really just the limited form in which capitalism can exist in a pre-industrial, feudal context. Prior to the industrial revolution most societies were really a mix of feudalism, slavery, and mercantile capitalism.
>>2853860marxists are kinda waking up these days to the zionist infiltration and subversion of left-wing spaces. now if only anarchists could get the memo and stop spending all their energy fighting keffiyahs at the local co-op.
>>2853737could you even slightly explain the mechanism this is supposed to happen through
what goods were seized over the course of the iran war that made this possible
>>2853860consider that
>why do atheists love jews so muchcould be taken as trolling, while
>too many atheists support zionism and the genocide of palestinians, how can we reduce those numbersseems like you actually care about the underlying issue, and not just doing the "atheists are all crypto jews" shit that evangelicals (even bigger zionists btw) have been doing forever.
>>2853807Never mind the conflicting values or moral lessons in the Bible, they're just getting the actual narrative wrong. Humanity isn't descended from the 12 tribes of Israel in the Old Testament. The 12 tribes are descended from the 12 sons of Jacob. In the context of the story humanity has already existed for thousands of years and split into countless nations by the time the Israelites and the covenant of Abraham even come into existence.
>>2853861>Prior to the industrial revolution most societies were really a mix of feudalism, slavery, and mercantile capitalism.This
>>2853746Yeah, it's not normal for the proletariat to be able to acquire land and property via wages, glad you're catching on
>>2853869Do Chinese workers recieve superwages? They have a significantly higher home ownership rate than the US.
>>2853867the actual narrative is inconsistent too though. even genesis has two different creation sources built into it, and the new testament explicitly has four different gospel accounts with some clear differences at key points.
>>2853869>>2853870Yes, even DPRK has higher home ownership rates than the USA
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>>2853873>>2853854 >Mercantilism also had a lot of protectionism going on.>The era marx was writing it, the era of industrial capital, was more characterized by…free trade under the british empireThe era was still associated with extremely high levels of protectionism. Places like the usa had high degrees of protection during its industrialization period. The german empire also was pretty simmilar too, in that regard.
>automation and machineryDidnt the first industrial revolution during (1760-1820) happened during britians mercantalist period? Of course the automation and mechanization wasnt to the level of the 1860s but the process was starting in the 1760s.
>capital as self expanding value through exploitation of labor power sold as a commodity by the proletariatwasnt this increasingly the case for later mercantalism when the british empires mercantalism started shifting towards the promotion and selling of manufactured goods?
>>2853861>Profits were made by simply moving something like spices from regions where they were common to regions where they were scarce. I'veLater mercantalism in the british empire was shifting towards a pro manufacturing model, tho
>>2853746i don't think anyone making 10/hr is actually saving 400 every week.
>>2853880yes you're describing the process by which mercantilism evolved into capitalism gradually. there's no obvious cutoff point but I don't think they're the same exact things necessarily.
>>2853871Tbf that's sort of to be expected in a text written over hundreds of years by multiple people. That's why anybody with a theological education doesn't read it literally. American evangelicals are the only people in the world to do so, and their movement was largely spawned by lay preachers with no theological background. So much of the meaning is lost not only in translation, but also in cultural symbolism and literary traditions that would have been obvious and familiar to ancient audiences but are taken way out of context by modern ones. To really understand the meaning of the New Testament for example you essentially need to speak Ancient Greek, have a decent knowledge of rabinic apocalyptic and messianic literature, and good understanding of the 1st century Roman Empire's politics, economy, and culture. Otherwise you're basically trying to decipher a series of references to established literary tropes and contemporary events without actually knowing what they were. Take something like the annoying things libs do where they compare shit to pop culture. If you say "Trump is Voldemort! There's a cheeto in the Whitehouse!" it's cringe but we all know what it means. It would be a lot harder to figure it out if you didn't know who Trump and Voldemort are, or what a cheeto or the Whitehouse were.
>>2852865if you're trying to access the most recent one within a few minutes of me posting it, the link is still being archived.
>>2853887the old testament was written over hundreds of years by many people, but the new testament was probably only written over the course of less than two centuries, certainly after 70 CE, with the gospels being written only a few decades apart after early Christianity had mostly been an oral tradition.
>>2853861>I've still never thought that "mercantilism" should be considered its own economic system or mode of production though.The period was never self-described as "mercantilist". It is a derisive term given by liberals, especially after Adam Smith. The term "capitalism" itself is also a 19th century term, when according to Marx, capitalism existed since around 1500 CE, in development.
>>2853854The Mercantilist period began around 1600 CE and can be seen in various tendencies within the British, Dutch and French empires of the time. We see literature in the early 17th century (highlighted in Antoine Montchretien's "Traicte", 1615) that merchant guilds in the City of London were growing in social power following the joint-stock company of the East India Company (est. 1600), immediately followed by the Dutch East India Company (est. 1602). New legal frameworks such as the laws of the sea (maritime law) were being debated, regarding new mercantile systems of global trade and colonial capture. We see an emphasis on a growing industrial base at the same time however by Antoine Montchretien's primary account of the manufacturing of both Britain and the Netherlands (who were coincidentally the two great protestant powers which in establishing a national church - rather than submitting to Catholic internationalism, economised church property. Marx discusses this in regards to the Dissolution of the Monasteries, 1536-41, were former Church property became privately leased, which if you are inrerested in the saga of British law, overthrow internal debates about "mortmain", or the "dead hands" of "corporate" property). The most famous mercantilist writer is Thomas Mun's "England's Treasure" (1640), in which he emphasises a "balance of trade" as his main objective, which of course is entirely reasonable. Soon after this, we get William Potter (1650) who is subverting the dominant discourse away from the "usury" of creditors for the sake of expanding commerce (Marx also viewed this turn as the interests of industrial capital overtaking interest-bearing capital). This is followed up by Josiah Child (1668) on the same premises. Each of the men demanded a further lowering of the national rate of interest (which since the start of the mercantilist period, had been legally lowered). These men we can see as "demand-side" theorists who wanted to compete with the Dutch, whose rate of interest was lower. The prevailing opinion was that more trade means more wealth (which again, is reasonable). There are two major opponents to this view, William Petty (whom Marx regards as the first "Classical" economist) and John Locke. Both of these men contended that indeed, the rate of interest was correlary of trade, but the cause of the rate of interest was the increased productivity, not the increase of money itself. These men can be considered "supply-side" mercantilists. This concludes the 17th century view, but there was still lingeing interest, such as the Irish philosopher Berkeley, who took a demand-side position in the early 18th century (1735). The real revolutionary turn however was with Joseph Massie (1750) who asserted that both of the mercantilist schools were wrong, and that in fact, the rate of interest is caused by the rate of profit (not simply the amount of circulating money) - this is followed up by Smith (1776) in his view that the historical rate of interest can track the historical rate of profit, and so capital investment becomes causal of interest, which is also applied in Keynesian macroeconomics, by the "marginal efficiency of capital".
So, mercantilism was not a "system" apart from capitalism, it was an earlier stage of development which produced different theories of wealth. James Steuart (1767) is often cited as the last classic mercantilist, and Steuart plays an important role to Marx also, particularly in his theory of money - between "coin" and "bullion". Friedrich List (1841) is considered a reviver of mercantilism, which is fair, but his book "National System of Political Economy" can also be considered primarily historical, not theoretical.
>>2853861>>2853854>>2853921To add something basic which was overlooked, William Potter in 1650 proposes a "land bank" to establish lines of national credit for investment, and Marx calls Josiah Child a precedessor to the creditors who establish the Bank of England (1694), which then becomes integral to the national investment in industry, by collecting funds for large-scale development. In the same time, the Netherlands had established a central bank. John Law in the early 18th century was also advocating the same policy for France. The foundation of central banks is then internal to mercantile debates. John Locke himself became a member of the Board of Trade in 1696, like how Isaac Newton became Bank of England treasurer, who in 1717 established the gold standard. So then, interest-bearing capital loses primacy by the consolidation of credit for the sake of investment into industrial capital. Now, the world's first central bank has an interesting history. It was established by the Knights Templar in the 12th century, setting up franchises all over the place, such as the Temple Bank in the City of London. The assets were eventually seized on October 13, 1307 (which was also a massively corrupt era of the Catholic Church - the accusations of the Templars being idolaters who worship Baphomet equally apply to the institution as a whole - even barring the later selling of "indulgences" to piss off Luther). This was the beginning of the end of the medieval era, as the Black Death came soon after, along with the dissolution of feudalism in England, and the rediscovery of antiquity in the Renaissance, finally leading up to the Protestant Reformation.
>>2853673>Muslim opinion of Jews: -8>Atheist opinion of Jews: -17Damn
>>2853610>no israelisantisemtic
>>2854002You are reading it wrong. The vertical collummn is the group who is being rated horizontal is group giving rating. Every single group has positive opiniom of Jews, but this was an old rating before oct 7. Seems the jewish media does the PR campaign well, but I think the last few uears may have finally been a bridge to far even for the best hasbara.
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