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>>2849264 Nothing will ever happen outside of people bitching about inflation
Waaaah mommy i want my petrodollar waaaah
>>28507659/11 was nothing, COVID was nothing, 20 years of recession is nothing, oil running out is nothing, things only happen if the CIA is involved and even then itโs a 60/40 gamble
>>2850762trvke. only question is will burger bourgeois get desperate enough to launch war with china. after the great btfo nothingburger war in iran, i suspect no.
>>2850769>>2850768Things can happen, if the CIA is involved. You just need to convince the CIA that the US is a dying ship and they need to switch to the Chinese system to have any hope of survival for their organization. Theyโll happily kill ATF and FBI and anyone else that gets in their way.
>>2850771> You just need to convince the CIA that the US is a dying ship and they need to switch to the Chinese system to have any hope of survival for their organization. "the chinese system" depends on strong domestic manufacturing. no amount of CIA shenanigans can force the burger bourgeoisie to build new factories instead of investing into scams like AI and crypto. American wages would have to drop below the wages of the countries we outsourced to in order to justify bringing back manufacturing.
>>2850773You could do it if every other cost also fell, American workers arenโt shit, theyโll take falling wages on the chin and goon or do drugs or kill themselves, it wonโt matter. The only reason revolution happened in the 19th and 18th centuries is because people were bored and couldnโt distract themselves from their immediate conditions.
As an American I hate burgers and am disgusted at the fact they represent us more than anything else. What a waste of a good cow.
>>2850776For me itโs beef soup, steak tips, cheesesteaks, even a chopped cheese is better and thatโs just a hamburger in a sub roll
>>2850774> theyโll take falling wages on the chin and goon or do drugs or kill themselvesif enough people die the wages will increase due to scarcity of labor. the black plague saw this with artisans. edward iii tried to freeze wages but it didn't work. this doesn't contradict labor theory of value btw.
>>2850778>>2850776when i go to vietnamese gusano restaurants i get ox tail pho soup and it's grait.
>>2850796The idea of communism as Marx predicted with all the technology and productive capacity of capitalism is completely out the window and not possible, weโre gonna be fighting over the last arable land in Canada, Greenland, and Siberia as climate change makes everywhere around the equator uninhabitable
Every day of your life will be the exact same but slightly worse until you and everyone else dies. Thereโs not gonna be a revolution or the apocalypse or any other orgasmic release, you will edge forever and so will the next generation until the sun swallows the earth.
https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/#google_vignetteIs China really number one in unleashing C02 into the atmosphere or is this just porky propaganda?
>>2850802its true but it has a lower per capita emissions than the USA, Russia, Canada, Australia, South Korea, Saudi Arabia and many others despite having a bigger population than all of them.
how is like literally every recent reply to this thread blatantly incorrect or nonsensical. you people need to be euthanized.
>>2850773>"the chinese system" depends on strong domestic manufacturingYou don't need to limit it to America alone they simply need to move manufacturing out of China and back to the poor countries it controls. Sure it won't be cheap but they could do it.
>instead of investing into scams like AI and crypto.Pop the bubble, outlaw the scams and tell them what to industries to invest in. Bourgeoisie will have no choice. Unless you think they can run from the CIA and Military while still keeping their assets?
>>2850809kill yourself then
>>2850802>>2850804 (me)
Also, the latest data on that site is from 2024. More recent reporting says that China has flatlined it's CO2 emissions and even decreased them.
>Chinaโs CO2 emissions have been flat or falling for past 18 months, analysis findshttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/11/china-co2-emissions-flat-or-falling-for-past-18-months-analysis-finds
>China cuts CO2 emission by 3b tons in past decade: white paperhttps://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202408/29/WS66d00b4ba31060630b925a25.html >>2850811Not while thereโs still millions of hours of distractions to drown myself in
Cops and Feds to Billionaires - We've Got Your Back Against the Angry Workers
>>A law enforcement intelligence hub in New Jersey fretted that the growing class divide in the U.S. could drive a wave of lone-wolf attacks on high-flying corporate executives, according to a report obtained by The Intercept.
>>The New Jersey Regional Operations and Intelligence Center, one of the so-called fusion centers that serve as intelligence clearinghouses for cops, warned in a bulletin earlier this year that disaffected Americans were increasingly blaming societyโs ills on rich people and corporate bigwigs.
>>Fusion centers, which bring together state and federal law enforcement agencies to share intelligence on potential terror threats, rose to prominence in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. The centers operate under state authority, often with grants from federal agencies like the Department of Homeland Security.
>>New Jerseyโs only fusion center, officially known as the New Jersey Regional Operations and Intelligence Center, has been criticized for operating outside the typical oversight to which most state agencies are subject.
>>A 2023 report by Rutgers Law Schoolโs Center for Security, Race, and Rights warns of the potential for abuse in the New Jersey fusion center. The report cited the fusion centerโs practice of drafting dossiers on โknown troublemakersโ and its reliance on so-called โintelligence-led policing,โ a practice of surveilling and data collection
Here is the fusion centers report in PDF
What was adventurism 20 years ago is no longer adventurism, 40% of Americans believe political violence is necessary and the state admits that trends conclude this number will rise, rather than shrink. So what's coming is a very openly repressive state.
>>2850804>>2850812Oh that's good to hear.
>>2850816Popular opinion has no effect on the truth of anything outside of what popular opinion is, which is fickle and easy to manipulate. Adventurism is adventurism no matter how many epic memes or poetic screeds you write. Lone wolf attacks are the strategy the bourgeois use to eliminate their competitors and justify police budgets.
>>2850816About time they were forced to waste all those resources to keep the retards in charge safe. Always thought it was pathetic how Americans would let those parasites walk around and pretend to be a normal citizen. Hopefully they stay in their cuckbunkers until killed off.
>>2850818>strategy the bourgeois use to eliminate their competitors and justify police budgetsThat's good though. None of them should think they or their families will ever be safe again for the rest of their lives.
>>2850824>>2850826Youโre literally hitmen the bourgeois sick on each other but doing it for free
>>2850826
Glowies get to live inside a prestige tv show all their lives it rocks actually
>>2850766Sad thing is how many people actually believe this. Cargo cult of the CIA lmao
>>2850831The CIA is the only historical actor since WWII, sorry you canโt do objective historical analysis
>>2850832
Thatโs because Jacobin works for United Healthcareโs competitors like Blue Fuck Blue Suck
>>2850839
Protagonist syndrome
And the fusion center jumps in to derail the thread from
>>2850816 >>2850818I'm not buying it, you sound like a cop. Even the DSA media outlets support the assassination of Brian Thompson. You are potentially a fed. The PDF report from the fusion center in NJ lists anti-capitalist leaning chan posts as threat analysis. Are we to believe they aren't posting here too? Being a federal agent, and a cop is so pathetic. How do you successfully fight the urge to end your miserable lives every day? Violent, harassing, class traitors, no different than the bourgeois they protect, and in certain ways, even more despicable. A glowie is the mortal enemy of any conscious worker. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a fucking pig masquerading as a comrade. What was it the Black Panthers used to say? Off the pigs? Yeah, I think that was it. Interesting. I wonder why.
>>2850830>>2850829>>2850831>>2850836OINK OINK OINK THE PIGS TRY TO DERAIL ANOTHER ONE OF MY POSTS. Get a real productive job, you useless pathetic swine. Lowly drug dealers and junkies provide more worth and use to society than you. The workers of the world would be better off if every Amerikkkan cop drank the jim jones koolaid, especially the ones at the NJ fusion center who wrote the threat report for billionares, down at
2 Schwarzkopf Drive West Trenton, NJ 08628 phone number (866) 472-3365
Here is a MAP of Every fusion center in Amerikkkahttps://publicintelligence.net/fusion-centers/>>2850841Youโre not the protagonist of reality
>>2850844
The Chinese will sell you for a Walmart contract, youโre nothing and nobody, like everyone else outside the haute bourgeois (the actual revolutionary subject of history)
Your plan is to start a civil war and kill millions to turn the country into essentially a worker co-op, awesome dude, canโt wait
>>2850841Were going to erase you or put you in prison before you can do any you or anyone think would be of note. why are you back here faggot. nearly all of your friends are dead or in jail, or in line to be. give it up, nobody cares about a bunch of autistic idiots with pistols and spray paint cans. youll die miserable deaths. btw we have a keylogger on your computer you idiot, we did it at a point where you werent looking, so any time you open your computer to post, tors and your OS doesn't help because we get alerted to your activity in real time. Just a little flex. we will ruin you, soon. i cant wait to see like the 3 real leftypol users going "Wow they actually gave juche poster 1000 years in prison, i guess it's not a meme!". Well it was a meme, your entire life is, and its over, and the punchline belongs to America.
>>2850841LOL MAIN CHARACTER SYNDROME. you guys got the stage, now the nation will watch us perform the final act to end your little play. it's always naraccistic autistic types that get drawn to antifa, ultra leftism like maoism and anarchism. its sad, but you guys have to go bye bye now. youve caused enough trouble.
>>2850841>Posts a map of every fusion center in AmericaYou're the fed.
>>2850831CIA isn't in control of everything but they are disproportionately powerful. Someone from the CIA could eventually seize control of the state directly same way Putin did in Russia. It's isn't always a military general who takes over after instability.
>>2850848It's funny you are focusing on a bunch of maoists nobodies and homeless anarchists to get angry at. Realistically most political power plays will be directed by intelligence agencies, the military, and mercenaries working for billionaires.
Youโre only ever as good as the society around you, and boy does American society suck
>>2850850The OP thread includes the same type of websites documenting feds. Nice try pig, now go crawl back into your little pigpen, with the rest of your dirty fat hogs. The people will document you, your deeds and your location. It's perfectly legal, and this is why leftist leaning media outlets are sharing this same info. Only pigs want people to shy away from sharing information on the function of the pigs.
>>2850856>only pigs want people to shy away from adventurism No, rational human beings of all political spectrums tend to want this. Normal human beings dont want a bunch of lumpen larpers to cause civil wars and create drug den zones without police in their neighborhoods, destryoing local businesses while labeling it all some revolution. thats just mad max with commie aesthetics.
Regarding the DSA popularity uptick, let us recall some facts.
First congress of RSDLP had <10 delegates, all got arrested.
1905 about 8,400 bolsheviks. In Petrograd some 800.
1906 about 13,000.
1907 โ 46,100. Peak membership before a period of harsh repression. (we are approaching this point). The 5th Congress in London noted their majority status.
1908โ1912 โ dropped to a few thousand. A period of intense reaction and police repression following the failed 1905 revolution. Membership plummeted. For example, Moscow's membership dropped from 500 to 150 in 1909. The Petrograd organization fell from 8,000 members in 1907 to only 3,000 by 1908. Similar drastic drops were seen in Yekaterinburg (1,070 to 250) and Ivanovo-Voznesensk (2,000 to 600). The Bolsheviks themselves were reduced to a small, underground cadre of hardened revolutionaries, with estimates placing them in the "few hundreds or several thousand"
1912- 1917. Data unavailable. It's estimated that the party's size before 1914 was between 5,000 and 10,000
Feb 1917 โ 23,600. Just before the February Revolution, the party was a small, disciplined underground organization.
April 1917 โ 79,000.
July 1917 โ 240.000
Oct 1917 โ up to 400.000
>>2850848>WereStopped reading right there, you illiterate faggot
>>2850849You write like a toddler.
>>2850859>rational humanKek the retard is spouting neoliberal economic principles of the โrational personโ
>>2850859Is a slave killing his master adventurism?
>>2850873>implying the U.S. is oneTuck cuck
>>2850873Tucker then talked about how anti-islam was "zionist propaganda". Are we about to see reactionaries pandering to islamic chuds out of fear of the communism?
>>2850869you cant perma ban people on chans you moron, you need to resort to entire TOR / VPN bans or range bans. only other solution is to remove the juche tag for a bit or to ignore it. why do you care so much lmao, get a life and a job or something. if you want perma ban hammers to be a thing, then gtfo and go to normal social media monitored by AI with backdoors for the deepstate, not to a forum modeled on the old days of the unmoderated anonymous internet. like is this your first fucking chan? go back to reddit or instagram or just stop bitching fruitcup. theres no reason for you to care, or is there?? thought so.
>>2850856Just because it's not illegal yet doesn't mean you're not putting yourself and others at serious risk for being such an open, heart on your sleeve agitator personality. its how you get people around you and yourselfs hurt.
>>2850847Better than turning it into the exact same thing but with a red flag.
>>2850889for whom? not the millions of citizens who wil be subject to an authoritarian revolution of the dedicated unhinged minority. the left isn't like the left in lenins revolution, the americans left core task is destroying the us govt and nothing more. ever ask yourself why communists all over the world build up their nations but the ones in america have been taught destroying the nation is the goal. its almost like they have been directed from the outside.
>>2850888Suck start a shotgun, parasite
>>2850894you and your loved ones will one day, eat a breakfast that contains a healthy dose of lead. i read it in a fortune cookie
>fedlarper now collapsing into adventurism
At least remain consistent for once in your live, you intellectual skunk
>>2850892pure bullshit. your argument is just "i think the left just wants to destroy things blah blah", well sucks to be in your head i guess.
>>2850890Industrial capital is weak and will never reign supreme in america again. why? all of it was sent overseas because labor is too expensive here, so until labor magically gets cheaper somehow (impossible with negative birthrates and no immigration) financial capital will remain dominant and its why we have a former landlord in charge
>>2850892So what you are saying it that we should we just let the Nazi ruling class impose a totalitarian dictatorship instead? Great plan. I too will welcome Thiel and Elon as our overlords.
Also don't forget to scan your ID next time and attach to your post or you will be arrested for spreading disinformation.
>>2850901well, one reading of the Trump admin (depending on how the next couple years go) is that some of them and their backers understand things aren't sustainable and so the question becomes how does the status quo end and on whose terms. The Biden admin was like an exercise in denial of this question, or an act of denial of their base being able to do anything about it.
So, the Trump admin's project could be seen as a controlled demolition. They are going to dismantle the capacity of the state to challenge capital, such as it was, and prepare the ground for mass immiseration probably via an economic crash and a deeply violent surveillance and enforcement apparatus to force march the populace into a state that makes them suitably desperate as an industrial underclass with a class traitor management/cop class on top desperate to not be relegated down. Even the neolibs understand that western imperialism depends on subjugating russia and china, and they know this requires militarization and industrialization by any means necessary. So they might not succeed but I think they are going to try to put industrial capital back in the drivers seat and be more murderous to their citizenry than we've ever seen since the 40s because they know they are taking the previously suppressed elements of the class war back to the forefront and they want no oxygen to go to any form of resistance.
>>2850861>Feb 1917 โ 23,600. Just before the February Revolution, the party was a small, disciplined underground organization.this was membership across the empire, the bolsheviks in Petrograd that were directly participating in the coup numbered no more than a few hundred
>>2850861I agree that DSA is going to soon suffer a "period of harsh repression" by the way things are going. But I would argue that you're oversimplifying the Russia example, because despite the RSDLP's numbers, there was still a broad acceptance of socialism as a concept, even if not necessarily scientific/materialist, across the entire spectrum. The Bolsheviks weren't alone; there were Nardoniks, SRs, Mensheviks, Syndicalists, etc. which altogether constituted a massive number and opposed the Tsar and Kerensky governments. On top of that, this example is still not exactly applicable to the DSA situation because socialism is still completely demonized on top of being confused in theory/split between different disparate groups. That is, while we lack a strong workers' party and a strong labor movement/base similar to Russia, we also lack an understanding of socialism beyond welfarism - an issue which Russia did not have.
https://www.axios.com/2026/06/25/mamdani-left-democrats-nyc-jeffries-centristshttps://www.sotwe.com/DSA_Watch >>2850912>we also lack an understanding of socialism beyond welfarism - an issue which Russia did not have.Mensheviks literally wanted a period of bourgeois led capitalism before socialism and no peasant class means no SRs. we don't have that retarded bullshit today thankfully, modern socialists are much closer in theory and principle by default
>>2850914As I implied already, while they disagreed on the steps to take, they had at least a vague understanding of the goal. Modern socialist parties (not just DSA) are trapped in a combination of "boomer parties that are 'social conservative' and in neo-fascist coalitions that simp for the dead USSR (mostly in Europe)", micro-sectism, terminally online idpol nonsense, and welfare reformism (as well other issues, but these are the main ones). At least the previous socialists understood the need to overthrow their then-current relations of production/government. We're still working on that.
>>2850892Trvke. No wonder it's opportunists like AoC or Bernie or Mamdani who have come the closest to any kind of political success. Workers want to vote for politicians who actually have practical plans to improve their lives. Not LARPers who tell them that they are racist and evil.
Communists need to explain to people how they can actually HELP them. Workers dont care about your bizarre obsession with geopolitics or idpol
>>2850917>At least the previous socialists understood the need to overthrow their then-current relations of production/governmentthe presiding leadership of the right mensheviks and right SR's actually collaborated with the Cadets to form the pre-parliament with Kerensky as its leader. they were straight up betraying the revolution. im not sure you know what you're talking about
Like imagine Im a working class dude. Give me an elevator pitch about how you will improve my life. If you even start talking about "yt pipo ebil" I will just walk away.
>>2850922I wish to behead people, please join me
>>2850923See what I mean? You cant even be normal for a second, even in a controlled environment. I assume you shit your pants anytime a 6'4" oil rig worker pulls up the seat next to you and orders a whisky.
>>2850922>Give me an elevator pitchFuck off back to reddit, nonce
>>2850928>>2850929It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a leftist to be normal for 5 seconds.
>>2850921I agree that one of the problems of modern socialist orgs is the same as back then: reformist class collaborationism. I'm saying that despite the problems we share with orgs 100 years ago, Russia during that period had a larger revolutionary socialist base than we currently do, and that said revolutionary base (not the reformists who supported the Tsardom and bourgeois provisional government) had at least the bare minimum understanding that they needed to be mass organizations that fought for an entirely new system divorced from their current one. Our "revolutionary" base is smaller and still contains misunderstandings, such as CPUSA's "bill of rights socialism" (which rests upon an absurd misunderstanding of the state, which even Eugene V. Debs and the SPA understood and rejected in 1912, over 100 years ago), or the ACP's nazbolism, or the numerous tiny socialist orgs that are not alarmed with being irrelevant micro-sects that fight over minutiae…
>>2850930I strive for betterment, not class cucked โnormalityโ that abets ever increasing amounts of death, destruction, and suffering.
>>2850932Ok what are the concrete proposals you have to make things better?
>>2850934Why donโt you read a book and figure it out illiterate? Iโm not here to baby you.
>>2850909
I think the DSA winning more is going to demystify and destigmatize people joining socialist parties in general. I think that the DSA winning more is going to make people think that they CAN do something. I think the DSA winning more is going to make people see third parties as more and more a viable option.
This isn't about the DSA, this is about containment breach. If people start thinking "Hey, my political activity can be meaningful" then that benefits organizing in every party, that's how we get our own large number of groups.
>>2850936A profound response
Absolutely hilarious that Felix completely mindbroke some limp-wristed loser, such that he has to LARP as a fedtard
>>2850922"You know, I think we need to nationalize healthcare so that we can get regulated prices on drugs, cut out a huge amount of parasitic insurance middlemen, and help bring up standards of care in less developed regions of the country."
>>2850942I think we can go even further with emotional appeals and then, once they're clearly receptive, we tied that back into class struggle. E.g. begin with "The system hates you. The pharmaceutical companies want you dead, enslaved, or drugged out to the point of being a zombie." Then we can pivot to "The system is fundamentally designed this way."
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