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>>2849264 Nothing will ever happen outside of people bitching about inflation
Waaaah mommy i want my petrodollar waaaah
>>28507659/11 was nothing, COVID was nothing, 20 years of recession is nothing, oil running out is nothing, things only happen if the CIA is involved and even then itโs a 60/40 gamble
>>2850762trvke. only question is will burger bourgeois get desperate enough to launch war with china. after the great btfo nothingburger war in iran, i suspect no.
>>2850769>>2850768Things can happen, if the CIA is involved. You just need to convince the CIA that the US is a dying ship and they need to switch to the Chinese system to have any hope of survival for their organization. Theyโll happily kill ATF and FBI and anyone else that gets in their way.
>>2850771> You just need to convince the CIA that the US is a dying ship and they need to switch to the Chinese system to have any hope of survival for their organization. "the chinese system" depends on strong domestic manufacturing. no amount of CIA shenanigans can force the burger bourgeoisie to build new factories instead of investing into scams like AI and crypto. American wages would have to drop below the wages of the countries we outsourced to in order to justify bringing back manufacturing.
>>2850773You could do it if every other cost also fell, American workers arenโt shit, theyโll take falling wages on the chin and goon or do drugs or kill themselves, it wonโt matter. The only reason revolution happened in the 19th and 18th centuries is because people were bored and couldnโt distract themselves from their immediate conditions.
As an American I hate burgers and am disgusted at the fact they represent us more than anything else. What a waste of a good cow.
>>2850776For me itโs beef soup, steak tips, cheesesteaks, even a chopped cheese is better and thatโs just a hamburger in a sub roll
>>2850774> theyโll take falling wages on the chin and goon or do drugs or kill themselvesif enough people die the wages will increase due to scarcity of labor. the black plague saw this with artisans. edward iii tried to freeze wages but it didn't work. this doesn't contradict labor theory of value btw.
>>2850778>>2850776when i go to vietnamese gusano restaurants i get ox tail pho soup and it's grait.
>>2850796The idea of communism as Marx predicted with all the technology and productive capacity of capitalism is completely out the window and not possible, weโre gonna be fighting over the last arable land in Canada, Greenland, and Siberia as climate change makes everywhere around the equator uninhabitable
Every day of your life will be the exact same but slightly worse until you and everyone else dies. Thereโs not gonna be a revolution or the apocalypse or any other orgasmic release, you will edge forever and so will the next generation until the sun swallows the earth.
https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/#google_vignetteIs China really number one in unleashing C02 into the atmosphere or is this just porky propaganda?
>>2850802its true but it has a lower per capita emissions than the USA, Russia, Canada, Australia, South Korea, Saudi Arabia and many others despite having a bigger population than all of them.
how is like literally every recent reply to this thread blatantly incorrect or nonsensical. you people need to be euthanized.
>>2850773>"the chinese system" depends on strong domestic manufacturingYou don't need to limit it to America alone they simply need to move manufacturing out of China and back to the poor countries it controls. Sure it won't be cheap but they could do it.
>instead of investing into scams like AI and crypto.Pop the bubble, outlaw the scams and tell them what to industries to invest in. Bourgeoisie will have no choice. Unless you think they can run from the CIA and Military while still keeping their assets?
>>2850809kill yourself then
>>2850802>>2850804 (me)
Also, the latest data on that site is from 2024. More recent reporting says that China has flatlined it's CO2 emissions and even decreased them.
>Chinaโs CO2 emissions have been flat or falling for past 18 months, analysis findshttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/11/china-co2-emissions-flat-or-falling-for-past-18-months-analysis-finds
>China cuts CO2 emission by 3b tons in past decade: white paperhttps://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202408/29/WS66d00b4ba31060630b925a25.html >>2850811Not while thereโs still millions of hours of distractions to drown myself in
Cops and Feds to Billionaires - We've Got Your Back Against the Angry Workers
>>A law enforcement intelligence hub in New Jersey fretted that the growing class divide in the U.S. could drive a wave of lone-wolf attacks on high-flying corporate executives, according to a report obtained by The Intercept.
>>The New Jersey Regional Operations and Intelligence Center, one of the so-called fusion centers that serve as intelligence clearinghouses for cops, warned in a bulletin earlier this year that disaffected Americans were increasingly blaming societyโs ills on rich people and corporate bigwigs.
>>Fusion centers, which bring together state and federal law enforcement agencies to share intelligence on potential terror threats, rose to prominence in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. The centers operate under state authority, often with grants from federal agencies like the Department of Homeland Security.
>>New Jerseyโs only fusion center, officially known as the New Jersey Regional Operations and Intelligence Center, has been criticized for operating outside the typical oversight to which most state agencies are subject.
>>A 2023 report by Rutgers Law Schoolโs Center for Security, Race, and Rights warns of the potential for abuse in the New Jersey fusion center. The report cited the fusion centerโs practice of drafting dossiers on โknown troublemakersโ and its reliance on so-called โintelligence-led policing,โ a practice of surveilling and data collection
Here is the fusion centers report in PDF
What was adventurism 20 years ago is no longer adventurism, 40% of Americans believe political violence is necessary and the state admits that trends conclude this number will rise, rather than shrink. So what's coming is a very openly repressive state.
>>2850804>>2850812Oh that's good to hear.
>>2850816Popular opinion has no effect on the truth of anything outside of what popular opinion is, which is fickle and easy to manipulate. Adventurism is adventurism no matter how many epic memes or poetic screeds you write. Lone wolf attacks are the strategy the bourgeois use to eliminate their competitors and justify police budgets.
>>2850816About time they were forced to waste all those resources to keep the retards in charge safe. Always thought it was pathetic how Americans would let those parasites walk around and pretend to be a normal citizen. Hopefully they stay in their cuckbunkers until killed off.
>>2850818>strategy the bourgeois use to eliminate their competitors and justify police budgetsThat's good though. None of them should think they or their families will ever be safe again for the rest of their lives.
>>2850824>>2850826Youโre literally hitmen the bourgeois sick on each other but doing it for free
>>2850826
Glowies get to live inside a prestige tv show all their lives it rocks actually
>>2850766Sad thing is how many people actually believe this. Cargo cult of the CIA lmao
>>2850831The CIA is the only historical actor since WWII, sorry you canโt do objective historical analysis
>>2850832
Thatโs because Jacobin works for United Healthcareโs competitors like Blue Fuck Blue Suck
>>2850839
Protagonist syndrome
>>2850841
Youโre not the protagonist of reality
>>2850844
The Chinese will sell you for a Walmart contract, youโre nothing and nobody, like everyone else outside the haute bourgeois (the actual revolutionary subject of history)
Your plan is to start a civil war and kill millions to turn the country into essentially a worker co-op, awesome dude, canโt wait
>>2850841
Were going to erase you or put you in prison before you can do any you or anyone think would be of note. why are you back here faggot. nearly all of your friends are dead or in jail, or in line to be. give it up, nobody cares about a bunch of autistic idiots with pistols and spray paint cans. youll die miserable deaths. btw we have a keylogger on your computer you idiot, we did it at a point where you werent looking, so any time you open your computer to post, tors and your OS doesn't help because we get alerted to your activity in real time. Just a little flex. we will ruin you, soon. i cant wait to see like the 3 real leftypol users going "Wow they actually gave juche poster 1000 years in prison, i guess it's not a meme!". Well it was a meme, your entire life is, and its over, and the punchline belongs to America.
>>2850841
LOL MAIN CHARACTER SYNDROME. you guys got the stage, now the nation will watch us perform the final act to end your little play. it's always naraccistic autistic types that get drawn to antifa, ultra leftism like maoism and anarchism. its sad, but you guys have to go bye bye now. youve caused enough trouble.
>>2850841
>Posts a map of every fusion center in America
You're the fed.
>>2850831CIA isn't in control of everything but they are disproportionately powerful. Someone from the CIA could eventually seize control of the state directly same way Putin did in Russia. It's isn't always a military general who takes over after instability.
>>2850848It's funny you are focusing on a bunch of maoists nobodies and homeless anarchists to get angry at. Realistically most political power plays will be directed by intelligence agencies, the military, and mercenaries working for billionaires.
Youโre only ever as good as the society around you, and boy does American society suck
>>2850856
>only pigs want people to shy away from adventurism
No, rational human beings of all political spectrums tend to want this. Normal human beings dont want a bunch of lumpen larpers to cause civil wars and create drug den zones without police in their neighborhoods, destryoing local businesses while labeling it all some revolution. thats just mad max with commie aesthetics.
Regarding the DSA popularity uptick, let us recall some facts.
First congress of RSDLP had <10 delegates, all got arrested.
1905 about 8,400 bolsheviks. In Petrograd some 800.
1906 about 13,000.
1907 โ 46,100. Peak membership before a period of harsh repression. (we are approaching this point). The 5th Congress in London noted their majority status.
1908โ1912 โ dropped to a few thousand. A period of intense reaction and police repression following the failed 1905 revolution. Membership plummeted. For example, Moscow's membership dropped from 500 to 150 in 1909. The Petrograd organization fell from 8,000 members in 1907 to only 3,000 by 1908. Similar drastic drops were seen in Yekaterinburg (1,070 to 250) and Ivanovo-Voznesensk (2,000 to 600). The Bolsheviks themselves were reduced to a small, underground cadre of hardened revolutionaries, with estimates placing them in the "few hundreds or several thousand"
1912- 1917. Data unavailable. It's estimated that the party's size before 1914 was between 5,000 and 10,000
Feb 1917 โ 23,600. Just before the February Revolution, the party was a small, disciplined underground organization.
April 1917 โ 79,000.
July 1917 โ 240.000
Oct 1917 โ up to 400.000
>>2850848>WereStopped reading right there, you illiterate faggot
>>2850849You write like a toddler.
>>2850859>rational humanKek the retard is spouting neoliberal economic principles of the โrational personโ
>>2850841>>2850848>>2850849>>2850856>>2850859can mods just finally permaban that larper?
>>2850859Is a slave killing his master adventurism?
>>2850873>implying the U.S. is oneTuck cuck
>>2850873Tucker then talked about how anti-islam was "zionist propaganda". Are we about to see reactionaries pandering to islamic chuds out of fear of the communism?
>>2850847Better than turning it into the exact same thing but with a red flag.
>>2850889for whom? not the millions of citizens who wil be subject to an authoritarian revolution of the dedicated unhinged minority. the left isn't like the left in lenins revolution, the americans left core task is destroying the us govt and nothing more. ever ask yourself why communists all over the world build up their nations but the ones in america have been taught destroying the nation is the goal. its almost like they have been directed from the outside.
>>2850888
Suck start a shotgun, parasite
>>2850894you and your loved ones will one day, eat a breakfast that contains a healthy dose of lead. i read it in a fortune cookie
>fedlarper now collapsing into adventurism
At least remain consistent for once in your live, you intellectual skunk
>>2850892pure bullshit. your argument is just "i think the left just wants to destroy things blah blah", well sucks to be in your head i guess.
>>2850890Industrial capital is weak and will never reign supreme in america again. why? all of it was sent overseas because labor is too expensive here, so until labor magically gets cheaper somehow (impossible with negative birthrates and no immigration) financial capital will remain dominant and its why we have a former landlord in charge
>>2850892So what you are saying it that we should we just let the Nazi ruling class impose a totalitarian dictatorship instead? Great plan. I too will welcome Thiel and Elon as our overlords.
Also don't forget to scan your ID next time and attach to your post or you will be arrested for spreading disinformation.
>>2850901well, one reading of the Trump admin (depending on how the next couple years go) is that some of them and their backers understand things aren't sustainable and so the question becomes how does the status quo end and on whose terms. The Biden admin was like an exercise in denial of this question, or an act of denial of their base being able to do anything about it.
So, the Trump admin's project could be seen as a controlled demolition. They are going to dismantle the capacity of the state to challenge capital, such as it was, and prepare the ground for mass immiseration probably via an economic crash and a deeply violent surveillance and enforcement apparatus to force march the populace into a state that makes them suitably desperate as an industrial underclass with a class traitor management/cop class on top desperate to not be relegated down. Even the neolibs understand that western imperialism depends on subjugating russia and china, and they know this requires militarization and industrialization by any means necessary. So they might not succeed but I think they are going to try to put industrial capital back in the drivers seat and be more murderous to their citizenry than we've ever seen since the 40s because they know they are taking the previously suppressed elements of the class war back to the forefront and they want no oxygen to go to any form of resistance.
>>2850861>Feb 1917 โ 23,600. Just before the February Revolution, the party was a small, disciplined underground organization.this was membership across the empire, the bolsheviks in Petrograd that were directly participating in the coup numbered no more than a few hundred
>>2850861I agree that DSA is going to soon suffer a "period of harsh repression" by the way things are going. But I would argue that you're oversimplifying the Russia example, because despite the RSDLP's numbers, there was still a broad acceptance of socialism as a concept, even if not necessarily scientific/materialist, across the entire spectrum. The Bolsheviks weren't alone; there were Nardoniks, SRs, Mensheviks, Syndicalists, etc. which altogether constituted a massive number and opposed the Tsar and Kerensky governments. On top of that, this example is still not exactly applicable to the DSA situation because socialism is still completely demonized on top of being confused in theory/split between different disparate groups. That is, while we lack a strong workers' party and a strong labor movement/base similar to Russia, we also lack an understanding of socialism beyond welfarism - an issue which Russia did not have.
https://www.axios.com/2026/06/25/mamdani-left-democrats-nyc-jeffries-centristshttps://www.sotwe.com/DSA_Watch >>2850912>we also lack an understanding of socialism beyond welfarism - an issue which Russia did not have.Mensheviks literally wanted a period of bourgeois led capitalism before socialism and no peasant class means no SRs. we don't have that retarded bullshit today thankfully, modern socialists are much closer in theory and principle by default
>>2850914As I implied already, while they disagreed on the steps to take, they had at least a vague understanding of the goal. Modern socialist parties (not just DSA) are trapped in a combination of "boomer parties that are 'social conservative' and in neo-fascist coalitions that simp for the dead USSR (mostly in Europe)", micro-sectism, terminally online idpol nonsense, and welfare reformism (as well other issues, but these are the main ones). At least the previous socialists understood the need to overthrow their then-current relations of production/government. We're still working on that.
>>2850892Trvke. No wonder it's opportunists like AoC or Bernie or Mamdani who have come the closest to any kind of political success. Workers want to vote for politicians who actually have practical plans to improve their lives. Not LARPers who tell them that they are racist and evil.
Communists need to explain to people how they can actually HELP them. Workers dont care about your bizarre obsession with geopolitics or idpol
>>2850917>At least the previous socialists understood the need to overthrow their then-current relations of production/governmentthe presiding leadership of the right mensheviks and right SR's actually collaborated with the Cadets to form the pre-parliament with Kerensky as its leader. they were straight up betraying the revolution. im not sure you know what you're talking about
Like imagine Im a working class dude. Give me an elevator pitch about how you will improve my life. If you even start talking about "yt pipo ebil" I will just walk away.
>>2850922I wish to behead people, please join me
>>2850923See what I mean? You cant even be normal for a second, even in a controlled environment. I assume you shit your pants anytime a 6'4" oil rig worker pulls up the seat next to you and orders a whisky.
>>2850922>Give me an elevator pitchFuck off back to reddit, nonce
>>2850928>>2850929It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a leftist to be normal for 5 seconds.
>>2850921I agree that one of the problems of modern socialist orgs is the same as back then: reformist class collaborationism. I'm saying that despite the problems we share with orgs 100 years ago, Russia during that period had a larger revolutionary socialist base than we currently do, and that said revolutionary base (not the reformists who supported the Tsardom and bourgeois provisional government) had at least the bare minimum understanding that they needed to be mass organizations that fought for an entirely new system divorced from their current one. Our "revolutionary" base is smaller and still contains misunderstandings, such as CPUSA's "bill of rights socialism" (which rests upon an absurd misunderstanding of the state, which even Eugene V. Debs and the SPA understood and rejected in 1912, over 100 years ago), or the ACP's nazbolism, or the numerous tiny socialist orgs that are not alarmed with being irrelevant micro-sects that fight over minutiae…
>>2850930I strive for betterment, not class cucked โnormalityโ that abets ever increasing amounts of death, destruction, and suffering.
>>2850932Ok what are the concrete proposals you have to make things better?
>>2850934Why donโt you read a book and figure it out illiterate? Iโm not here to baby you.
>>2850909
I think the DSA winning more is going to demystify and destigmatize people joining socialist parties in general. I think that the DSA winning more is going to make people think that they CAN do something. I think the DSA winning more is going to make people see third parties as more and more a viable option.
This isn't about the DSA, this is about containment breach. If people start thinking "Hey, my political activity can be meaningful" then that benefits organizing in every party, that's how we get our own large number of groups.
>>2850936A profound response
Absolutely hilarious that Felix completely mindbroke some limp-wristed loser, such that he has to LARP as a fedtard
>>2850922"You know, I think we need to nationalize healthcare so that we can get regulated prices on drugs, cut out a huge amount of parasitic insurance middlemen, and help bring up standards of care in less developed regions of the country."
>>2850942I think we can go even further with emotional appeals and then, once they're clearly receptive, we tied that back into class struggle. E.g. begin with "The system hates you. The pharmaceutical companies want you dead, enslaved, or drugged out to the point of being a zombie." Then we can pivot to "The system is fundamentally designed this way."
>>2850931>Russia during that period had a larger revolutionary socialist base than we currently doincorrect. 85% of the 1917 russian population were peasants who considered the tsar a living god. industrial workers were 2-3%. through statistics alone the modern american revolutionary base is larger with more room to grow
>>2850946>incorrectSource?
>>2850948Not anon, whereโs your source for this?
>Russia during that period had a larger revolutionary socialist base than we currently do >>2850946I meant "base" as in "the number of people who were already amenable to some form of revolutionary socialist orientation" (DSA, despite being 100,000 on paper, still contains a significant reformist element); should have been more clear. But still, the Russians were able to overthrow their government because of the issues of the ongoing war and the fact that the soldiers and peasantry could thus be mobilized against Russia's semi-feudal conditions (although this ultimately backfired when they sought to achieve socialism) because the rest of the world had already demonstrated the efficacy of capitalism. Our task is more difficult.
>>2850949
>I meant "base" as in "member of some form of revolutionary socialist organization".
That peasant pop isnโt doing any favors.
>Our task is more difficult.
The task is much easier. I donโt have to deal with feudal conditions of any sort, capitalism is undergoing a legitimacy crisis, and I have a failing war to work with, along with a large population of educated proletarian.
>>2850951>But still, the Russians were able to overthrow their government because of the issues of the ongoing war True true
>Our task is more difficult.This is a bit reductive. For the american situation there are some aspects that are easier and other aspects that are harder, tradeoffs that happen as society gets more advanced. I don't think our situations are comparable enough to rank them by difficulty, but the tasks ahead will indeed be arduous with unique challenges, it would be criminal to assume otherwise
>>2850910You are right on the big picture but not sure they can pull it together and get their guy in by 2028. 2028 will probably elect a pushover democrat who represents a "return to normal." He will smooth over the trouble Trump made while also cementing his right wing polices. As the situation continues to get worse it will be blamed on democrats being "communist." I can see a literal self described fascist being elected president by 2032 though.
>>2850888
>you cant perma ban people on chans you moron, you need to resort to entire TOR / VPN bans or range bans. only other solution is to remove the juche tag for a bit or to ignore it. why do you care so much lmao, get a life and a job or something. if you want perma ban hammers to be a thing, then gtfo and go to normal social media monitored by AI with backdoors for the deepstate, not to a forum modeled on the old days of the unmoderated anonymous internet. like is this your first fucking chan? go back to reddit or instagram or just stop bitching fruitcup. theres no reason for you to care, or is there?? thought so
i care about site quality unlike you
>>2850861The DSA isnt revolutionary
>>2850979Yet
>>2850974If she and Francesca Hong win that'll be a big boost
>>2850892>ever ask yourself why communists all over the world build up their nations but the ones in america have been taught destroying the nation is the goal. wtf I love american communists now!?
non-meme answer: revolutions of the past had to engage in nationalist deviations to cope with the lack of revolution in the imperial core
if it happens in the west there is no need for "socialism" in one country and "developing le productive forces" nonsense
say bye bye to le nation (classcucking)!
America is already communist and has been since the Civil War
Does anybody else miss biden
>>2850983The RCI has more potentional then the DSA ever will
>>2850989Nah
Fuck him Obama was a peice of shit also
>>2850991Just mass alone is a source of potential
>>2850974Four years ago the accusation of anti-semitism was getting people ostracized. Now people are able to just say the most heinous actually anti-semitic shit and nobody bats an eye. This stupid line of badjacketing is backfiring tremendously
>>2850995Why should anyone give a shit after Gaza? This is like complaining about anti german racism in 1946
>>2851000>thousands of yearsSo primitive communism doesnโt work?
>>2850997oh i know but they might have been able to make it last a bit longer by being more careful with it. INstead they just went and accused everyone of antisemitism if they weren't 100% pro-israel.
>>2851006Your time is running out. The people know that 80% of Jews are Hewish Supremacists that think their life is more valuable than that of "goyim"
This is the consequence of following such an old religion. Look at Modi in India, same thing Hindu supremacist, a religion with class baked into it.
As Marx said "The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism."
It is not too late renounce such backwards thought. I encourage you to do so.
>>2851000Heโs doing the typical shitlib tactic of purposefully conflating communism with the Nazism of the DSA
>>2851012>people are SAYING things!woah…
>>2850979No investigation no right to speak fool
>>2851013are you under the impression i'm a jew or agreeing with the accusation of anti-semitism?๐คฃ
No fuck israel and the jewish religion
>>2851019its crazy how accurately Engels clocked UKanos 150 years ago
>>2851019Look at the bottom blurb. "British left = Labour", aka not "the left" at all, just Starmerite right-wing bootlickers. The reason why Harris supporters are less in favor is because Dem idpol is to pretend to be "culturally left" while actually being reactionary and putting kids in cages even before Trump did; aka they say they support immigrants but don't actually.
>>2851023this reads like euroid cope
>>2851021Why are you complaining that no one has to where kiddy gloves when critiquing Judiasm?
>>2851026Tbf the Nazis considered the SPD to be "Jewish Reds" while the communists considered them to be objectively on the side of capital, and history has since proven the communists correct. Just because reacrionaries throw a fit about something doesn't mean it's the second coming of the Bolsheviks.
>>2851028what complaint? what the fuck are you talking about?
>>2850995>Four years ago the accusation of anti-semitism was getting people ostracized. Now people are able to just say the most heinous actually anti-semitic shit and nobody bats an eye. This stupid line of badjacketing is backfiring tremendously>>2851031This yoh reference the "anti semitism" myth. Judaism is not above critique.
>>2851032I'm sorry if I consider people publicly saying things like "The jew is an unclean, lying animal" and take that to mean something "antisemitic" and racist and not just some carefully nuanced critique of moden judaism and israel
>>2851030Why do they have to be the second coming of the Bolsheviks? What does on the side of capital mean exactly? Does it mean every government or party that doesn't abolish capitalism is exactly the same? Are none better or worse? Are the Nazis not worse than other governments "on the side of capital?"
Also Jesus Christ with every single situation in our modern world has to be compared to the stories from the Bible. Other things have happened besides WW2.
This is what their constitution says btw.
https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/constitution/>We are socialists because we reject an economic order based on private profit, alienated labor, gross inequalities of wealth and power, discrimination based on race, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability status, age, religion, and national origin, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo. We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships. We are socialists because we are developing a concrete strategy for achieving that vision, for building a majority movement that will make democratic socialism a reality in America. We believe that such a strategy must acknowledge the class structure of American society and that this class structure means that there is a basic conflict of interest between those sectors with enormous economic power and the vast majority of the population. >>2851039UM POINT OF PRIVILEGE
>>2851043Technically it's a Robert's Rules of Order thing
>>2851030I get that but I dont think the SPD comparison is accurate, the DSA acts more like a popular front which includes the revolutionary left and can be dominated by it while the SPD was strictly a social democratic party. Most of the people elected that are aligned with the DSA so far have been socdems, true, but that's something that can change. Darializa Avila Chevalier for instance is clearly far more radical than the likes of AOC
If you haven't studied Gramsci but talk about what should be done, you're opinion is worth less than shit.
>>2851039>2019basically a diff org at this point tbh
>>2851046Like Gramsci hasnโt been recuperated by liberals and weaponized by the state since the 50s
Dudes say "you killed Allende" to which I reply: "yeah, so what?"
Dudes be saying: "it's bourgeois electoralism" to which I reply: "we've got Maoists, motherfucker"
>>2851045Mamdani and the rest of those NY candidates(except AOC) have just been "hiding their power levels." You can't just run for office and say "I want to abolish capitalism." Mamdani can't abolish capitalism and create "socialism in one city" either. Jesus Christ. People are now talking about socialism everywhere and you are all unhappy because the real movement is on dead imageboards.
I think a lot of the people here are really just those kind of hipsters that only want to be into esoteric niche things and if the thing you're into gets popular, it ruins it for you because you're no longer unique and cool.
>>2851038
> that's part of the plan
People not knowing about the DSA? Yeah I bet
>>2851056>adopt a strategy of offshore balancing.Geniuses at the neocon think tanks realising they can just pay Israelis to conduct their wars like they do with Ukraine
>>2851057>I think a lot of the people here are really just those kind of hipsters that only want to be into esoteric niche things and if the thing you're into gets popular, it ruins it for you because you're no longer unique and cool.my thoughts exactly, half of leftypol will lose interest in socialism when it goes mainstream among cringe normies (based)
>>2851062It's basically in their constitution:
>>2851035>The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisiehttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htmAnd yeah Mamdani couldn't become mayor by saying he is trying to abolish capitalism altogether and he would have no power to do that as mayor, yet it is still good for socialists to win office.
>>2851064Hilarious, bourgeois socialism incarnate. The fact that the party stands to prop up the democrats means that justifying support is all the more ridiculous
The fact that you retards think this is a legitimate strategy is beyond belief
>>2851065So what should we do instead
>>2851065It is the strategy Marx prescribed. And what is your strategy?
>>2851064Likewise that's a complete misreading of the manifesto.
OP = the only good burger
>>2851069How so? Lol. He was very specific.
Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
- Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
- A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
- Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
- Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
- Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
- Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
- Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
- Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
- Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
- Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of childrenโs factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.
>>2851067Join an actual socialist party that doesn't stand to evade basic Marxist premises like the ACP, CPUSA, or DSA
Otherwise you'll be left reading and writing zines with this idiot
>>2851038 >>2851073Which are?
INB4 ACP >>2851072Yes well done, you've very cleverly confused gradualism with the political programme in order to justify your stupidity.
The fact that you think your own candidates cannot talk of the abolition of capitalism is fucking hilarious. Why bother calling yourself socialists
>>2851074That's for you to decide. I'd say use your fucking head, but you think the DSA is a legitimate socialist party.
>>2851076>Yes well done, you've very cleverly confused gradualism with the political programme in order to justify your stupidity. What have I confused? Why can't you explain that clearly.
>>2851078So you are saying you don't know of any parties you approve of?
>>2851081the only legitimate party is the infantry squads being deployed across portland to assault the D$$A with rifles, grenades, and mumbled complaints
>>2851079That explanation is incredibly clear, you along with that moron Houdini cannot think your way out of a paper bag
You misread the most basic of Marx's texts whilst ignoring his section on bourgeois socialism in order to justify your stupidity. If this thread devolves into support for the DSA I'm going to take great mirth in lampooning you morons with your own fucking statements such as "he can't actually talk about the abolition of capitalism"
>>2851084a push towards bourgeois socialism is progressive relative to an era of the blackest reaction
Socialists be like: we gotta smash capitalism bro
Socialists also be like: ssssshhh someone might hear us
>>2851084What did I get wrong? Why can't you explain that.
>>2851085You are already telling me what to think. You said:
>Join an actual socialist party that doesn't stand to evade basic Marxist premises like the ACP, CPUSA, or DSAWhy can't you identify a single party you approve of?
>>2851086Not really, you're ignoring the general historical tendency of its vertical decline into Fascism during periods of sustained reaction. The development of Fascism and the movement towards the support for what are little more than political vents go hand in hand.
>>2851089We already have the development of the fascist element of society as a direct result of decades of sustained reaction, these demands are coming as a reaction against it
>>2851082Literally never seen them do anything except hawk newspapers like most Trots
>>2851076I agree that DSA should be more openly anti-capitalist, but even if they did demand the abolition of capitalism and somehow that didn't prevent them from getting elected, they still wouldn't be able to do anything about it yet. If DSA was strong enough to win on its own and still refused to address openly address capitalism, then you'd be right. DSA's goal right now imo should be to write out a clear minimum program.
>>2851088Reread the post you dim cunt, you oblate a miscomprehension of the stated programme offered in the manifesto with your own deluded little ideas about gradualism.
Hence you, Houdini, and every other idiot produce immortal lines like "you killed Allende" and "we can't talk about abolishing capitalism"
>>2851086ultras can't accept that. either Marx resurrects from the dead and leads beheading first every bourgie (and even so, the question will rise: is it truly Marx? is there an ebin bourgeoisie demon spirit possessing Marx in ghoul form?) or nothing.
>>2851090They aren't a reaction against it but the mere product of disorganised and classless politic towards support for seemingly socialist causes. Again, they go hand in hand.
>>2851092Once again you're not explaining what I got wrong. Why is that impossible for you? Are you literally retarded?
>>2851091Your entire perception of this issue is informed by the implicit desire for electoralism.
>>2851094>classless politicwho exactly are these classless people? Ghosts?
>>2851095I have quite literally explained where you have gone wrong
Reread the manifesto, specifically the section on the bourgeois socialists
>>2851097Ah yes, the republicans are also a party of the proles. Why? Because they vote for them!
>>2851098Frankly, I haven't even given you a reading of the manifesto. I just quoted a line and>>2851064 highlighted a word and then you said:
>Likewise that's a complete misreading of the manifesto.
>We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle of democracy.
>The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.
>Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.
>These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.
>Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
>1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.>2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.>3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.>4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.>5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.>6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.>7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.>8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.>9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.>10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of childrenโs factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c. You're just arguing with the manifesto itself.
>>2851096No, because "electoralism" aka "advocating voting as a means of fundamentally changing the System" is nonsensical liberal garbage.
So what, we killed Allende. Big deal.
We're socialists, not idiots. You want me to say "abolish capitalism" well I won't do it. We've got Maoists. Maoists. What have you got?
Yeah that's right, fuck capitalism
>>2851102But that's literally what Marx advocated.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1873/01/indifferentism.htm> โThe working class must not constitute itself a political party; it must not, under any pretext, engage in political action, for to combat the state is to recognize the state: and this is contrary to eternal principles. Workers must not go on strike; for to struggle to increase one's wages or to prevent their decrease is like recognizing wages: and this is contrary to the eternal principles of the emancipation of the working class!
>โIf in the political struggle against the bourgeois state the workers succeed only in extracting concessions, then they are guilty of compromise; and this is contrary to eternal principles. All peaceful movements, such as those in which English and American workers have the bad habit of engaging, are therefore to be despised. Workers must not struggle to establish a legal limit to the working day, because this is to compromise with the masters, who can then only exploit them for ten or twelve hours, instead of fourteen or sixteen. They must not even exert themselves in order legally to prohibit the employment in factories of children under the age of ten, because by such means they do not bring to an end the exploitation of children over ten: they thus commit a new compromise, which stains the purity of the eternal principles.
>โWorkers should even less desire that, as happens in the United States of America, the state whose budget is swollen by what is taken from the working class should be obliged to give primary education to the workers' children; for primary education is not complete education. It is better that working men and working women should not be able to read or write or do sums than that they should receive education from a teacher in a school run by the state. It is far better that ignorance and a working day of sixteen hours should debase the working classes than that eternal principles should be violated.
<It cannot be denied that if the apostles of political indifferentism were to express themselves with such clarity, the working class would make short shrift of them and would resent being insulted by these doctrinaire bourgeois and displaced gentlemen, who are so stupid or so naive as to attempt to deny to the working class any real means of struggle. For all arms with which to fight must be drawn from society as it is and the fatal conditions of this struggle have the misfortune of not being easily adapted to the idealistic fantasies which these doctors in social science have exalted as divinities, under the names of Freedom, Autonomy, Anarchy. However the working-class movement is today so powerful that these philanthropic sectarians dare not repeat for the economic struggle those great truths which they used incessantly to proclaim on the subject of the political struggle. They are simply too cowardly to apply them any longer to strikes, combinations, single-craft unions, laws on the labour of women and children, on the limitation of the working day etc., etc. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/09/08.htm>You know that the institutions, mores, and traditions of various countries must be taken into consideration, and we do not deny that there are countries โ such as America, England, and if I were more familiar with your institutions, I would perhaps also add Holland โ where the workers can attain their goal by peaceful means. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm>We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle of democracy.
>The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.
>Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.
>These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.
>Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
>1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.>2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.>3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.>4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.>5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.>6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.>7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.>8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.>9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.>10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of childrenโs factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c. >>2851102Seethe retard. You'll be the first in a communist reeducation gulag for your deranged and perverted ideas of what is and isn't socialism
>>2851104And we're misquoting Marx in order to frame the one dimensional idea that the abolition of the bourgeois democratic order can only take place through its own institutions
Then what does Lenin say of the party? Or what is a class for itself?
>>2851104There is a difference between "participating in bourgeois elections to raise class consciousness" and the perverted idea that simply voting in elections is enough can create real change.
so who will the democrats run for prezzy?
>>2851107That's literally what he said tho.
>You know that the institutions, mores, and traditions of various countries must be taken into consideration, and we do not deny that there are countries โ such as America, England, and if I were more familiar with your institutions, I would perhaps also add Holland โ where the workers can attain their goal by peaceful means. That and striking which can also be peaceful of course.
>>2851109And how will the proles strike? Why, they'll vote for it of course!
>>2851108the 2028 tickets gonna be Hillary Clinton(D) vs Randy Fine(R)
>>2851110Wut? I was identifying striking as the second category of what could be "peaceful means."
>>2851106>>2851107you are talking to a blue maga LLM, stop wasting your time
the american continent is a lost cause. hopefully chinar, russian and iran can do something
>>2851030different times. the SPD at first was competing with a party that was trying its best to co-opt socialism, giving socialism's and communism's popularity, having the name 'national socialist' party. one had to be very well read and pay attention very closely to the power moves inside the nsdap to undestand that hitler wanted to take out Marx from socialism, that Marx had 'stolen the term and confused its meaning', and once ernst rohm was killed, that the 'socialist' in national socialist became nat only and soc(k) off bourgeoise dicks.
in this day and time, the conditions are different. the other parties aren't competing with who's the most socialist. they are competing with who's the most unhinged neolib.
>>2851106>And we're misquoting Marx in order to frame the one dimensional idea that the abolition of the bourgeois democratic order can only take place through its own institutionsI didn't say only. You're just making shit up.
>>You know that the institutions, mores, and traditions of various countries must be taken into consideration, and we do not deny that there are countries โ such as America, England, and if I were more familiar with your institutions, I would perhaps also add Holland โ where the workers can attain their goal by peaceful means. >>2851116Fuck off to your DSA meeting
>>2851118No u.
BTW.
>>2851088>>2851085You are already telling me what to think. You said:
>Join an actual socialist party that doesn't stand to evade basic Marxist premises like the ACP, CPUSA, or DSAWhy can't you identify a single party you approve of?
Why can't you identify a single party you approve of?
Why can't you identify a single party you approve of?
I literally just want the DSA to have enough successes that it gets people to even think "vote for the dems or stay home" isn't the only options there are
>>2851043Fuck you and fuck Robert i never want to go to one of these parliamentary larp sessions. Wannabe pretend lawyers can pass their resolutions that never lead to material action and relate themselves over it.
>>2851119Because it is solely determined by your readings of the situation and a comprehension of what you believe to be the best party offering both a political programme and a format for education that is in line with your views
You will inevitably, like you are doing now, bitch whine and cry when you are told one party or another primarily because you refuse to think for yourself. Actually read party literature, analyse their views and structure, and what it is you believe you can work towards
>>2851120libs are so obsessed with false dichotomies.
>vote for the dems or stay homeit's the republican
>'you are criticizing amerigah? love it or leave it' >>2851123>You will inevitably, like you are doing now, bitch whine and cry when you are told one party or another primarily because you refuse to think for yourself. Actually read party literature, analyse their views and structure, and what it is you believe you can work towardsHoly projection you little slimey bitch:
>Join an actual socialist party that doesn't stand to evade basic Marxist premises like the ACP, CPUSA, or DSAYou're the one saying X, Y, and Z parties are bad. You specifically are instructing us to join these other parties yet you can't identify a single one of them?
>>2851121UH COMRADE YOU AREN'T DOING THE JAZZ HANDS, WE DON'T CLAP HERE
>>2851111randy fine? unlikely. trump will use the board of peace to declare that the US is going through a crisis, and only the board of peace can re-instate institutional control. he, as president of the board of peace will declare himself the appointed-by-the-board-of-peace ad-hoc president of the us until the crisis is gone (or he dies, whatever comes first). He'll lieve until he's 120 years old.
This is a no clapping zone
Anybody not doing jazz hands will be shot
>Star Wars sucks, go watch some real sci-fi
<Like what?
>Oh my gosh thing for yourself, if I did give you any recommendations you'd probably say they were dumb anyways
How does someone become this much of a spineless coward?
>>2851132>Can only think in terms of Star Wars and DisneyMaybe the DSA really is for you
>>2851133>Can't understand the simplest of analogiesAre you literally brain-damaged dude?
>>2851039do they still do that? I watched some videos from this 2026 meeting and it wasn't that annoying.
>>2851134His entire post history is just him arguing in bad faith.
Remember folx, you have to actually have arguments and not just go "nuh uh"
>>2851120DSA ARE DEMOCRATS, THEYโRE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE SAME DONORS AND INTERESTS
>>2850761>wheatlerite>>2850763>JDPONgolians peak
>>2850974*Googling ensues*
…https://www.kirosforco.com/https://www.kirosforco.com/priorities-pdf-final.pdfNGL her platform looks pretty nice. I'm not seeing any huge red flags at a glance.
HOWEVERShe'll be on Bernie Sanders' side of things before election season is over… literally.
She is endorsed by Sanders, Justice Democrats and the DSA as well as Our Revolution, that I know after googling for a bit.
https://ourrevolution.com/melat-kiros-for-u-s-congress-in-co-01/https://justicedemocrats.com/candidate/melat-kiros/Justice Democrats is the org which manufactured AOCIA. Great start:
https://ballotpedia.org/Justice_DemocratsAnd Melat Kiros campaign seems to be run by Arena, founded by Obama and Hillary Clinton people to manage and "train" "progressives":
https://www.mediabistro.com/jobs/3540814060-digital-first-campaign-leader-colorado>Arena is seeking a Campaign Manager in Denver, CO, to lead operations for Melat Kiros' progressive campaign. The role involves overseeing staff and ensuring effective digital communications, building a movement-focused campaign that engages and energizes supporters.The ideal candidate will have extensive experience in political campaigns, demonstrating leadership in high-pressure environments, and a deep understanding of digital platforms. If you thrive in dynamic settings and are passionate about progressive values, we want to hear from you.
https://www.influencewatch.org/political-party/arena-pac/>The Arena.run groups were founded in 2017 by former employees of 270 Strategies, five alumni of Barack Obamaโs Presidential campaigns, two former Obama administration officials, and four aides to Hillary Clintonโs 2016 Presidential campaign.She's also endorsed by the
Track AIPAC people who are a DNC psyop to endorse liberal Zionists who are just as bad, but fall on the J-Street, DNC side of Israeli lobby, rather than big bad AIPAC.
So who's "Our Revolution" then?
https://ballotpedia.org/Our_Revolution>Our Revolution was founded on August 24, 2016, as a nonprofit organization designed to advocate for the policy agenda of U.S. Senator and former presidential candidate Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). >Sanders first discussed the group with USA Today in July 2016 after endorsing Hillary Clinton (D) for president. The paper reported that the organization would "help recruit, train and fund progressive candidates' campaigns. And a third political organization may play a more direct role in campaign advertising."[2] In early August 2016, Sanders began fundraising for the group, writing in an email that "election days come and go, but the struggle for economic, social, racial and environmental justice continues. Together, we built something special and unprecedented through our presidential campaign. Now, we are going to take the next steps for our political revolution."[3]Alright, I'm convinced, this is totally a grassroots politician with an agenda and program of her own that won't immediately change when the DNC people who run her everything say so. Yeap.
>>2851151Here is the full list of DSA endorsed candidates right now.
https://airtable.com/app41ni7RJppgXEBL/shrlP3Do8lp7E52Ev/tblxkCFnulqIc1pYI?viewControls=onOnly three for Congress as of now.
>>2851152Wait, actually that's missing Valdez and Chevalier for some reason. Actually all the New York ones. Weird.
https://socialists.nyc/candidates/ >>2851157oh johnson is a republican nvm
>>2851019>>2851012Is it surprising that where the dictatorship of capital is most open, the alternative is most radical?
>>2851162> much as I want to destroy America and all that I live near DC and under different circumstances I wouldn't mind checking something like this out,omg you mean you can be on the right side and still enjoy things? wow that's crazy. how do you know the bad aura and bad vibes of enjoying things won't corrupt your soul?
>>2850816link the actual article plox
>>2851147It's time for Tigrayan-American representation in Congress.
>>2851082>oh look at this huge trot org that is falling apart due to a massive scandal not dissimilar to ones in previous trot orgs<hey guys, join this trot org!the only legacy group I have any faith in at this point is the PLP
>>2851171Why the fuck is Musk always getting involved. He is one of the many elites who just a global aristocracy with America at the centre. He doesn't even have a bed, he just sleeps on a couch in his office for a few hours a day. That insomnia and wealth must've made him reactionary.
>>2850912Unironically the US vision of socialism resembles Georgism and the New Deal than any strand of thought
>>2851188Remember that Georgism allows tax on land. Nothing else.
>>2851187Right now he is burning down the UK with funding the most reactionary forces that will destroy it. The Boers having their revenge on the British
guys I might be joining the RCI today
>>2851187i don't know how musk fits in. but space x and his companies are deeply involved with glowies, the pentagon, mass surveillance, and us military industrial complex. he's a front man for some interests. i think thats why he gets involved in these random political battles and funds the reactionaries. he probably cant escape because if he does the glowies will reveal him to be a pedo. and if he tries to end things they'll just destroy his legacy by revealing the 'Elon Files'. his only option is to play along. thats why he always looks so depressed. he's trapped in a golden cage.
>>2850848You sound like the blood thirsty version of Bigfoot from inherent vice 10/10
>>2851197Indeed. A golden cage made by the feds to ensnare the rich into their claws and a steel cage for the proles to stop their revolt. Start noticing who actually runs the whole spectacle.
>>2851162God these people have terrible taste. The arch looks terribly and cheaply made. I'm guessing the "Statues" are gold painted plaster.
This is what happens when you elect a con-man and cheap ass New Yorker Real Estate slumlord as your president. I mean Trump has always had terrible taste.
>>2851162Cost of living is bad right now as well so the average normie isn't even getting out in droves
>>2851213The cost of living is probably just to benefit the elites. If you want to eat at this rate, start growing and rearing your own food. But the elites would've taken all the available land for their factories.
>>2851189Georgism is also the ideology of Sun Yat Sen, liberator of China
>>2851222
That dsa win really got you seething huh
>>2851223The pedophillia is the main issue but its all the same imperialist phenomenon
>>2851230Republicans are no longer the party of Lincoln
Democrats are no longer the party of Jackson
DSA is no longer the party of Harrington
>>2851170There's two different committees doing planning for these events. Freedom 250 is Trump's own initiative, and America 250 was suppose to be a nonpartisan committee running things. Considering the arc replica that got put up, seems like Trump took control of that also.
Trump is sucking the wind out of what was suppose to be a universal celebration, and his narcissism can't see that
>>2851232Nvm, this state fair is part of Freedom 250. This shit is so confusing for people that don't wish to feed Trump's ego
>>2851181>the PLPAren't they ultra ultra leftcoms to the point of being "impossibilists"?
>>2851233Iโd be the Greatest Communist in HistoryWhat did he mean by this
>>2851251
>>2851251
>>2851249Have you taken the brown pill yet, mateys?
it's a tough pill to swallow! The brown pill was founded in 1999 by Sir Reginald Brownpill, who presents and narrates the attached video.
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Swallow the brown pill today! Red pills are for fedora fucking wearing faggots, blue pills are for the ignorant masses. Ignore the other le epin /pol/ maymays, this one is the readl deal.
>All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.https://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch16s12.html Why does leftism always draw in the most obsessive schizos?
Actually there is one thing sadder than constantly going out of your way to spam a dying leftist website, and that's paying money for VPNs to spam on a dying leftist website
>>2851262There are people that would do this rather than just reset their routers or turn off their phones for like 3 minutes? Iโm a screen addict too but god damn
>>2851265
Seek help
>>2851264I mean there's being committed to the bit, and then there's this shit
>>2851234Sometimes the worst criminals are in the Western governments themselves
>>2851255>All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him ofsubsistence
> But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition.surplus product
Franklin was…. dare I say…. right?
>>2851255trve liberalism.
it seems to be taken as a law of physics that revolutionary organizations can easily become counterrevolutionary, but counterrevolutionary organizations cannot become revolutionary. For example, the CPSU went from the party of Lenin to the party of Gorbachev. But the DSA cannot become Communist. If that is the case, why? Material explanation?
>>2851171If you want to understand the mind of the conservative, imagine a voice shouting slurs into the void forever.
>>2851289It's pretty simple, in order to function within the status quo the organizations capitulate to it.
>>2851289A mixture of contrarianism and despair over constant setbacks to the communist movement over decades has led to a lot of people either becoming reformists or ultra-dogmatists as a way of coping. We must be uncompromising with our goals, but we must also not discard a useful tool simply because it is not perfect. The DSA as it stands can potentially be a great asset to communism, enough Marxists joining it and pushing things left will eliminate the remnants of Harringtonite reformism
>>2851296…But wasn't the status quo of the CPSU Marxism-Leninism?
>>2851296DSA is actually more left than PSL and CPUSA at the moment.
>>2851304Remember a week or so ago when it was revealed that the PSL was using some kind of AI cyber-cheka to flag any of their members who read the Jacobin mag?
>>2851304but leftism is always the left wing of capital
and left communism is an infantile disorder
and social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism
and liberalism is fascism
but conservatism is uhhhhhhhh idk
>>2851157With how much open contempt they have shown for the working class lately, it would not shock me if they tried to pass a bill declaring universal healthcare and other reforms as unconstitutional.
And part of hope me hopes that it happens because it might be (to put it bluntly) the kick in the balls that finally wakes up the left.
>>2850912>agree that DSA is going to soon suffer a "period of harsh repression" by the way things are going. Let's be honest, the DSA is not going to survive state repression.
>>2851289>but counterrevolutionary organizations cannot become revolutionary.tbh I think this is just people deciding revolutionary status based on hindsight. we just label whoever wins as "revolutionary" and whoever loses as "counterrevolutionary" but at the time for example the bolsheviks and mensheviks were both "revolutionary" and just had different beliefs. it was only after the bolsheviks won out that it became counterrevolutionary to promote menshevik thought because it would undermine the bolshevik position.
people called Dengism counterrevolutionary for decades until their predictions on the Chinese collapse never materialized and it became increasingly clear that markets aren't inherently fatal to a Communist state and the post-Stalin Soviets were just fucking retarded.
>>2851313The DSA on its own by and large will crumple pretty quickly under state repression. It'll be up to the Marxists, anarchists, and other revolutionary leftists within the organization to go underground and continue the fight. Then you'll be at the stage where we can talk about "cadres" and not be laughed at
>>2851171Democrats have a problem, and a solution, Trump and 2028.
While they will rack a massive win in the culture war by Trump simply going out of office… Democrats can't actually provide anything other than not being Republicans. And this is increasingly slim pickings because the cold war demands more bipartisanship than ever. Both to protect US hegemony with "foreign policy" abroad and to do the same at home by ramping up exploitation to safeguard the profitability of US hegemony.
Republicans have until 2028 to provide an even bigger problem at home, than bipartisan fascism, for the Democrats to solve by just the change of turn happening. People ain't enthused for Obama redo and one has to wonder, with how they act now, if the Dems aren't aiming for blue Dubya instead, anyway.
>>2851313>And part of hope me hopes that it happens because it might be (to put it bluntly) the kick in the balls that finally wakes up the left.To be frank I think there's this myth on here that the Left is "asleep" or otherwise "apathetic" and if it just wakes up or gets energetic enough it'll suddenly show some potential. I think a lot of the problems the Left faces have less to do with not caring enough and more to do with segmenting itself from the public in these little radical circles.
>>2851321With the way Newscum conducts himself I'm pretty sure they're just straight up trying to aim for a blue Trump instead
>>2851320The state has shown that if they choose to crack down on the DSA they're going to use the DSA membership list to mass arrest anyone and everyone that is involved with the org. So it's better to just not be a member unless the DSA achieves enough political power to avoid falseflags and mass arrests.
Fascism by its own nature is incapable of not being heavy-handed in its tactics. We should be prepared for this.
>>2851321>Democrats can't actually provide anything other than not being RepublicansDemocrats aren't Republicans? Big if true.
>>2851321You're assuming Democrats fulfill their promises. They will promise you the world in 2028 only to betray the proletariat once again. Expect them to campaign on prosecuting Netanyahu since it seems like he's the fall guy for the war in Iran. Of course they won't actually do shit but it's appealing enough to get progressives to line up to the polls just for the faint hope of justice.
>>2851329Dems don't promise the world though, in fact one of the most frustrating things about them is they constantly try to bargain down
even to their base. Like they're people who can't even claim to hold onto any popular policies like universal healthcare. They promise nothing and deliver even less.
Lol now Newsom is saying we need public ownership of AI companies through a sovereign wealth fund. Vance also said the same thing recently.
>Bernie Sanders files bill proposing 50% public ownership of US AI firms and giving out $1,000 dividends โ VP Vance says Trump supports giving the American people a stake in AI companies, prefers โpre-distributionโ over giving away cashhttps://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/bernie-sanders-files-bill-proposing-50-percent-public-ownership-of-us-ai-firms-and-giving-out-usd1-000-dividends-vp-vance-says-trump-supports-giving-the-american-people-a-stake-in-ai-companies-prefers-pre-distribution-over-giving-away-cash
>Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has introduced the American AI Sovereign Wealth Fund Act to the U.S. Senate, which aims to gain 50% ownership of U.S. AI firms through a sovereign wealth fund. According to the Senatorโs webpage, the first thing this would do is establish the Independent Commission for Democratic AI, which has seven bipartisan members nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate. This body would control 50% of the voting shares of American AI tech companies, meaning it would have the capacity to โblock decisions that hurt the American people and to push for policies that help them.โ
>In a surprising twist, VP JD Vance said that President Donald Trump likes the idea that the U.S. would gain a controlling stake in every American AI company. The VP likened the AI revolution to the industrial revolution, wherein itโs not the lack of jobs that became the problem that drove several parts of Europe towards communism and fascism. Instead, he claims that itโs the concentration of wealth among a small group of people that became the catalyst for civil strife in the Western world.Man I've been advocating this for years. Trump was the first politician I heard talk about it and he actually did it with Intel. We own actually own a 10% stake in intel now.
>>2851322>To be frank I think there's this myth on here that the Left is "asleep" or otherwise "apathetic" and if it just wakes up or gets energetic enough it'll suddenly show some potential. I think a lot of the problems the Left faces have less to do with not caring enough and more to do with segmenting itself from the public in these little radical circles.By wake up, I don't mean they don't care enough or are "asleep"; I'm talking about them waking up the fact that electoralism is a dead end and that reform will not achieve their sucdem American dream.
>>2851303CPSU still existed in a capitalist world
>>2851340
>words words words
Compress please
>>2851325>So it's better to just not be a member unless the DSA achieves enough political power to avoid falseflags and mass arrests.part of the reason we're in such a mess and haven't been able to achieve anything for so long is of how many of us are just sitting around waiting for everyone else to take a plunge and then not even having the guts to follow after.
>>2851354well you see i am the next lenin. you can be the random nameless guy in the budenovka who dies in the civil war
>>2851354Yeah I think I might stop being one of those cowards and just join a local party. I think maybe I'll audit all the ones in my area before choosing. I'm thinking maybe DSA because of recent events, hopefully my local one is taking a page from NYC-DSA.
should the DSA run a presidential candidate for 2028 or just endorse AOC even though she abandoned the DSA to send weapons to Israel?
>>2851354sure I get that but attaching yourself to a party that has almost zero political power and just serves to give the FBI a list of people to arrest seems very risky. there's a high chance DSA itself is a honeypot to mass arrest leftists, and I think it's reasonable to be wary of this possibility. you need both a vanguard of open communists and an underbelly of people who are able to carry on the torch when that vanguard are rounded up by glowies.
>>2851360unfortunately California's DSA branches are awful I dont know how they fuck up so badly and so consistently. I blame California's love for NIMBY's.
>>2851338I want to make it clear before I say anything further that I'm not trying to insult you or have anything against you, I want to have an earnest discussion on this as best as we can.
I think part of the problem with the whole "electoralism is a dead end" thing is that DSA Social Democrat types can at least point to some electoral victories, they can point to NYC under Zohran which, while not perfect, certainly isn't nothing. He's delivered on the Rent Freeze he promised, brought a record-fast snow removal, etc. Like their calls for reform and their running for elections makes them come across efficient, whereas the people calling for revolution may come across as immature. I mean Zohran got 40% of apartments in the city rent frozen, the "revolutionary socialists" don't seem to have something to point to akin to that.
My concern is that the state outright banning the DSA might awaken more apathy than revolutionary zeal.
>>2851379
literally just stop breaking the rules and you won't be banned. he's been banned before for breaking the rules.
Just delete the thread on /GET/
>>2851387better yet just stop linking the site under the friends section so people stop getting to associate us with that. I've literally never clicked that shit and never will.
>>2851391And delete the twitter
Why cant the pedophile mods just rangeban this guy? ๐ Does he use most popular network in the most populated region of amerika or something? One would think it would be easier to just rangeban. It seems like the mods are sacrificing hours of effort to delete his posts within the minute. Im just offering advice to help ๐
>>2851387>>2851391The funniest part is they don't even link back to leftypol on their top bar. What is the point of the site anyways? It seems to be /siberia/ without certain rules we've developed over time.
bro has been at it for 2 entire work shifts. this is definitely some kind of professional operation and not just a lone spammer, right?
>>2851399>What is the point of the site anyways?good question.
>>2851400it's a single guy that is just eternally seething that the rest of the world doesn't get as angry as him about cartoons.
its funny hes going on about the mods dedicating so much time to banning him when for them its just checking the mod queue as a usual part of their work. for him he's been at this nonstop for 2 days lmao.
you'd think if he had a problem with getchan he'd just not go to getchan like a normal rational human, but he has to bring his tantrum to another site to force non-getchan users to witness him being retarded.
>>2851402If he went about it in a normal way, he might've had success by now although I've seen people complain about it for a long while now. I actually agree but now I almost want it to stay there just to spite this guy. That board looks even deader than leftychan. He's probably driving traffic that way with his constant advertising of the link most people don't even notice.
>>2851402it would probably be a good idea for a leftist politics site to not be associated with those "cartoons" since it just allows rightoids to guilt-by-association us with those people. Not even to be a "moralfag" about it, it's just basic optics. part of what is enabling this guy to seriously take this line of attack is the fact that GET is linked in our sidebar for some reason. If they are a l*li board maybe just don't link it here? it's your business if you want to look at that stuff, but it has nothing to do with socialism.
>>2851411lol, dont care, go make your own site if you dont like ours
>>2851412this site is ran by israelis. the mods are literally jew as fuck.
>>2851414i don't care about your respectability politics, if it was up to me lolisho wouldn't be banned on leftypol either
>>2851418Good thing it's not up to you.
>>2851418it's not "respectability" politics. it's basic optics. socialism and communism has nothing to do with pornography, drawn or otherwise.
>>2851415why are you responding to a post that was a reply to me with a completely unrelated allegation? are you trying to derail the conversation?
>>2851417well, when people doxed antifa members and juche autists, the threads stayed up or got saged, and so did all of the other obvious glowie threads. when antifa came here and doxxed israeli zionist discords that were invading leftypol, /pol/, ig and reddit, the thread was removed in 5 seconds at a very odd hour of the night.
>>2851425you are just making a second allegation, not proving your first allegation. Like can you show me that the moderators are actually living in israel?
Why cant the pedophile mods just rangeban this guy? ๐ Does he use most popular network in the most populated region of amerika or something? One would think it would be easier to just rangeban. It seems like the mods are sacrificing hours of effort to delete his posts within the minute. Im just offering advice to help ๐
>>2851425why can sites doxing ice, nazis, or other hate groups stay up, whereas the moment its zionists the mods delete it like theyre paranoid about getting hit by A DRONE. its either theyre jewish or pissing off israel is that much scarier than the USA
>>2851411I don't really see the point in changing our ways just to appease nazis. The nazis probably spend significantly more time promoting and jacking off to actual cp. 8kun users certainly weren't afraid of being pedos while simultaneously promoting QAnon to combat pedophilia.
I don't see the utility in linking GETchan but I guess the idea is if leftypol goes down for whatever reason users know there are backup left-wing imageboards. It would make more sense to have a dedicated thread in /meta/ for backup lefty imageboards tho. So idk I don't really care either way but I think "not giving rightoids ammo" is just a bad argument to do or not do anything. It should serve some material purpose. The average newfag normie isn't gonna visit leftypol and then go to GETchan from the top bar and then go to the very niche loli/shota thread and then connect that to Leftypol. It just requires a lot of bad faith to react that way imo.
>>2851422>socialism and communism has nothing to do with pornography, drawn or otherwise.real socialism will be libertine.
unusable trash website. cant have a real conversation. some schizo always jumps in and starts replying for "your side."
some pedo spamming pedo link walls of text every 5 seconds
people alleging the mods are israeli now
what's the fucking point
>>2851431ok but i want the working class people to come here, not just people who want to jack off to drawings of 5 year olds
>>2851430>can we stop linking a loli website<that would be appealing to nazis????????????? but nazis love that stuff
>>2851434why do you think that doesnt include the working class
>>2851435
>leftypol has notriously been the butt of jokes on reddit and in real lifeoh no…. who gives a shit
>>2851435i would never admit to coming to this place irl. I literally come here because i don't need an account to post. but honestly it's probably a honeypot if what anon said is true. i mean i literally got a guy saying to me that it's "appealing to nazis" to remove links to unrelated loli websites that have nothing to do with socialism… like what? idk what GETchan is but if it's loli why link it? just get rid of that shit. is this a honeypot? am i fucked?
>>2851435>oh noโฆ. who gives a shitthis just means you do nothing. yall trash the people who do the most on your sites, like Houdini, Felix and Jucheposters. None of you are ever outside.
>>2851313>Let's be honest, the DSA is not going to survive state repression.Probably not, but the experience might lead to the carving out of a real revolutionary movement. While I think the DSA strategy is deeply flawed, I don't have the same contempt for them that others do. People need to remember that every successful revolution was preceded by unsuccessful efforts at reform. If the DSA achieves mass popularity on a real social democratic platform, only to be publically and harshly repressed, it will only sharpen the contradictions and contribute to the formation of something more radical.
>>2851438>why do you think that doesnt include the working class??????????????? what ??????????? it has nothing to do with organizing the working class for the overthrow of capital. it's literally just porn????????? are you stupid?????????
>>2851443
>100 masked maoists and anarchists came to the defense of Zohran?
when did this happen? interesting…
>>2851443
>how do you think 100 masked maoists and anarchists came to the defense of Zohran
eh whot
>>285144295% of what we do on this site isn't about organising the working class, it's a discussion forum, it's for funsies primarily
>>2851434the working class dont really care about people's sexual proclivities, especially when it's about fiction. that's more of a bourgeois busybody thing as Christianity convinced the bourgeoisie that they have a moral duty to dictate morality onto the proles and God will reward them for enforcing their beliefs onto us.
>>2851443
It's not enough for there to be an underground left, it needs to actually be popular and have pull with ordinary communities. One way to end up with something like that is a popular mass organization being forced underground.
>>2851446>>2851447It didn't happen because this is the same Juche schizo with multiple personas back at it again
>>2851448ok but why even link getchan? we're here to discuss politics. Like your line of reasoning makes no sense. If it's a politics website, and presumably people coming here associate us with leftism, why link to unrelated stuff like l*li shit and then say "These are our friends"? Makes no sense. Seems like something a honeypot would do. That guy who's been spamming for 12 hours keeps attacking us for that so why even associate ourselves with that? Personally I had no idea what GETchan was until that guy kept spamming about it. Why enable him? Why make it look like he has a point? You aren't really answering my questions you're kind of just going "lol getting rid of that would be respectability politics" … like what?
>>2851454I'm fucking dying of laughter
>>2851455cause they're our historic friends and they're also a communist chan. i dont want to give in to screaming reactionaries
>>2851446It always happens. Thats the entire argument felix and juche always make, that the vanguards militant wing, has become decentralized, not because of ideology, but because of material conditions. this is truthful because the later IRA was semi-decentralized for the same reason, and fed reports show that movements whether far right or far left, adapt to "modern security" by full or semi decentralization. DSA will be the sinn fein to the underground, this is the true reason anarchists and maoists critique them so hard, because this critique is what keeps the political wing in submission to the base.. in theory at least.
The footage of the day is hard to find, because the mob of black clad ultras were beating journalists who werent friendly to their cause, removing their cameras. 2 teenagers were arrested for throwing an IED at a far right protestor calling for the removal of Zohran.
>>2851454>it didnt happengo fuck yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqEZxF4G-c4(No, I dont think I will) >>2851449>the working class dont really care about people's sexual proclivities, especially when it's about fiction.do you talk to working class people? have any data proving this? seems like total conjecture. it is more likely that the working class has a wide range of opinions on sexual proclivities because the working class is not one person but many people. It is probably something totally unrelated to working class emancipation and has no place on a website about socialism and communism.
>>2851457ok so is that person making shit up about them or are the allegations true? because I am not clicking that shit to find out. and if they don't link us back what's the point? seems like one way simping that just makes us look bad.
>>2851460Child fuckers of the world, unite!
>>2851435>Leftypol is literally known as white supremacist and pro-zionist among most of the left. Really? Lol, I think most people are unaware of this website unless they use 4chan.
>>2851439>I literally come here because i don't need an account to post.Same. Also because I've found I get more replies on this dead website than twitter. I don't like reddit and the updoot system and yeah the account thing. Getting banned here is no big deal. Also not leaving a long comment history that someone will dig up when I run in the Maine Senate primary lol.
>i would never admit to coming to this place irl. I wouldn't tell people IRL about this place because despite all we've done over the years to remove some of the "chan culture" this place still reeks of it. I wouldn't tell normal people to come use a website where people are screaming KILL YOURSELF, FAGGOT, UYGHUR! and whatever else all the time and it's normal. Always found the catgirl thing cringe as well.
>>2851449>it's hysterical bourgeois busybody christianity if you're against Epstein Diddy shitam i losing my marbles? are you false flagging?
>>2851465>I wouldn't tell people IRL about this place because despite all we've done over the years to remove some of the "chan culture" this place still reeks of it. I wouldn't tell normal people to come use a website where people are screaming KILL YOURSELF, FAGGOT, UYGHUR! and whatever else all the time and it's normal. Always found the catgirl thing cringe as well.Yeah, same thoughts.
>>2851461nah it is true, they had/have a loli thread, i don't care though.
Kudos to that one lone CIA agent who spends all day here inventing new ways to torture the same 15 posters with their endless horseshit
>>2851464
if i say you are an israeli agent, I have to prove that, you don't have to prove you aren't. that's how allegations work.
similarly, if you say this place is run by agents, you have to prove that.
that's how burden of proof works.
>>2851455Getchan isn't a loli site it's a leftist imageboard just like this one that just has slightly different rules regarding content. I don't want to set a precedent that all leftist imageboards have to have the exact same ToS.
>>2851460I agree but my broader point is the working class really aren't that concerned with sex and the ones that are are usually just chuds trying to enforce morality to punish their perceived enemies. The "lolisho bad" narrative is mostly being enforced through corporations and influential online personalities and not "normal" people suddenly deciding to take an interest in niche japanese cartoons. Most people's views on sex have not changed in like 30-40 years for better or worse, because it just is not important to their life. The people who disliked homosexuality in the 90's still dislike homosexuality but just learned to not talk about it because it doesn't affect them. The people who disliked lolisho in the 00's just didn't talk about it because it was considered a settled "free speech" issue and not worth discussing. The "social acceptability" factor is the only thing that changes, and that's dictated by what is considered acceptable by the bourgeois because it aligns with their current interests(in recent years digital ID). People's views themselves have not really changed that much. I couldn't care less if my neighbor is gay or does bdsm or faps to lolisho cartoons in his house if he still fulfills his neighborly duties. Only busybody control freaks care about that shit.
>>2851468ok if i were a rightoid trying to make communists look like pedos I would make a "communist" website with such threads.
>>2851466>cartoons>epstein diddy shitironically epstein and diddy had no connection to loli or anime and were too busy raping children. maybe if they jacked off to cartoons instead the world would be a better place.
>>2851474okay, and? they will just say it anyways, who cares. i believe that lolisho should be legal so why should i demand it be banned on some site we link to.
>>2851476i get your point but still seems weird to put that shit on the same site as communist discussion. why not make a separate unlinked site for its? and is there any evidence that consuming drawn shit prevents you from raping? It's like arguing that drinking a six pack of beer every day prevents you from drinking everclear?
>>2851479because it has nothing to do with communism. i think the regular P*rn shit shouldnt' be on here either.
>>2851481it's fun. this is a site for fun. not for introducing normies to communism, there's a million other places for that
>>2851483>it's fun. this is a site for fun. not for introducing normies to communismok fair
>there's a million other places for thatis there? there's like reddit, which sucks for different reason, then there's like lemmy grad and hexbear, which are reddit clones, then there's discord, which might as well be spyware at this point. then there's marxists.org which is translated HTML docs written 30 years ago by Gen X and Boomer trots.
>>2851474have zoomers completely lost sight of the concept of a forum? allowing content doesn't mean you endorse it, that's like a super basic rule of user-generated content on websites that has been lost with the death of the deepweb. in fact a lot of those giant social media sites like facebook and reddit lobbied the government for rules excepting user-generated content from things like copyright law because it becomes completely impossible to enforce on a large scale. running a platform that allows users to contribute whatever they want kind of necessitates allowing content you personally disagree with.
>>2851480>and is there any evidence that consuming drawn shit prevents you from raping? It's like arguing that drinking a six pack of beer every day prevents you from drinking everclear?I would say the burden of proof is on anti-lolisho people to prove there's evidence linking consuming fictional content increases the risk of offending in real life. And there's a LOT of evidence that says otherwise coming from violent movies/video games/etc studies in the 90's so I find it hard to believe hentai is somehow unique in encouraging people to commit sex crimes.
Like, at the end of the day I just see it as a "live and let live" issue because it doesn't personally harm me or anyone for that matter. And there is a compelling argument that it is a sexual "outlet" for some people that should probably be studied but hasn't been afaik. The only evidence we have about it is Asia in general with their love of lolis has much lower child sex crime rates than the west, but that is muddied by Asians having generally much lower crime rates and also underreporting crime to save face. Like Japan specifically has much lower rape rates than even the "safest" cities in America and yet their porn is almost entirely rape focused. There is evidence at least from studies on psychopathy that the thing that makes someone prone to criminal behavior is not their affinity towards certain types of content but rather a broken moral compass, an inability to empathize with others and lack of respect for "society" as a whole and other people's personal space/safety. Like there are a LOT of non-offending pedophiles in the west and seemingly the only thing separating them from offending pedos isn't "lack of opportunities to offend" but because they can recognize that it is socially destructive behavior.
This is what happens when the mods of a "left wing" website ban every actual left wing poster for the explicit purpose of preserving the feelings of an out and proud Catholic Fascist.
>>2851484well frankly i think fun should be outlawed!
>>2851485normies are going to be put off by the chan culture of this place anyways even if we ban porn. if we try to have 'muh optics' we will just kill whatever makes the site interesting in the first place.
>>2851486bro they already made a 'better leftypol' and it was an abysmal failure
>>2851491The modern injunction of the consumer is to enjoy, or experience pleasure
I come here because it is quite literally the last website I can openly discuss my views and form opinions in a coherent conversation, not because of the lower quality of other sites but because of the outright impossibility. Likewise this is the only website I can actually have a conversation with Marxists.
>>2851487
>my allegations aren't easy to prove, therefore they are true, and my second set of unproven allegations are all the evidence i need
if we applied this logic all the time it would result in insanity. burden of proof exists for a reason.
>>2851458the video contains much less information than what you stated was the case
>>2851498
we have anti zionist threads on here all the time that don't get removed though
>>2851501Yet more proof that the mods are in fact Zionist stooges
>>2851498
>>2851496
Fucking take your meds schizo the mods are normal this isn't some fucking conspiracy lol. I talk with them all the time they're just people running a little website in their spare time. Moderation is sparse for multiple reasons, but mostly it boils down to things here not being of much consequence, because this website isn't all that important, it's just a place to hang out.
Please get a life dude.
>>2851495ok and why do you want to openly discuss your views and have a coherent conversation? could it be because… you enjoy it?
>>2851505
mods would probably remove doxxing of anyone because it's a good way to get teh whole site taken down since it is illegal. are you stupid?
>>2851505
yeah any doxxing is banned because this isn't some illegalist cell, who knows if the dox is even real or the people getting doxxed even actually deserve it. it attracts the worst kind of subhuman kiwifarms slime
>>2851507No you fucking imbecile
>>2851511why then. why are you doing it
>>2851508
You're either a personality disordered retard who's bored and fucking with people, someone in a paranoid manic episode, or a schizo who isn't in full swing of psychosis. You're ruining the vibes. Please shut the fuck up
>>2851512
>Doxxing zionists
As if they hide? You don't need vigilante hactivism or whatever to deal with Israel. You need broad powerful state apparatuses and international geopolitical leverage to deal with Israel. You're not doing anything significant, your entire conceptualization of scale and impact are warped because you're mentally ill. Calm down
>>2851513Because I quite literally cannot discuss these matters elsewhere, the state and level of the repression of legitimate Marxist discourse is so intense
On no other site are there users with a legitimate understanding of class that does not devolve into a moralistic mysticism or the banal and insipid stupidity of those who not only cannot think critically but will reproduce bourgeois propaganda and label it is as socialist
>>2851517alright then, don't you think that the way leftypol is now is the reason you like it though? trying to mess with it to be 'more marketable' or whatever would just lead to ruining it
>>2851483>it's fun. this is a site for fun. Wrong. Have you even read the rules? This site is not for fun it's for leftist politics.
What is the purpose of leftypol.org ?
>The mission of /leftypol/ at leftypol.org is to provide a fun and enjoyable space for the working masses around the world, as an anonymous community of non-sectarian leftists united in common cause against the forces of capitalism, fascism, and liberalism. Our goal is to act as a centre for serious political discourse and less serious informal discussions on various topics related to leftist thought.
<We aim to be the negation of /pol/; anti-fascist, materialist, better read. Our mission, above all, is to learn, and help others learn, the philosophical tools necessary to elucidate the interrelated and ever-increasingly complex space of self, society, and politics, from the local to the global scale.
<An important part of /leftypol/โs unique character is our opposition to identity politics. We believe that conflicts between genders, races, sexualities, and so on are distractions from the wider class struggle that are intentionally fanned by the ruling class. This does not mean that oppression based on personal characteristics does not exist, but that it should be approached from an egalitarian perspective which is not personally accusatory and does not assign โvictimโ and โoppressorโ groups. The rights of individuals to live according to their own wishes is a fundamental part of leftism.
<More broadly, leftism is defined as; โA broad set of ideological forces which are dedicated to, by one form or another, dismantling the current material way of things in capitalism and building a new egalitarian system to replace it.โ If a point of view or ideology claims to represent socialism or communism, yet is so divisive and anti-egalitarian that it fails to offer a reasonable alternative to the current order, it may be considered as non-leftist.And trying to make this an everything website is probably useless because there are lots of posters that just use the "fun" boards and don't post or read the main board and aren't even leftists. Like when 420 chan died and redirected here the influx of 420 users who don't care about leftist politics at all was useless. All they did was complain at us.
>not for introducing normies to communism, there's a million other places for thatYeah it has been about countering /pol/ and introducing 8chaners and 4channers to communism.
>>2851519I quite literally could not care less about that matter
>>2851520>The mission of /leftypol/ at leftypol.org is to provide a fun and enjoyable space for the working masses around the worldliterally the first line
>>2851522alright, why are we discussing it then, i thought you were saying we should censor more.
>>2851521
you might have had an argument before the Iran war but the mods have basically stopped enforcing any rules around being mean to Jews because of the war. I haven't seen "anti-zionists" get deleted in a long time unless they're straight up posting TKD. you can just go into the matrix chat and argue your position if you really want they don't really hide themselves.
>>2851523Ok and the next line:
>Our goal is to act as a centre for serious political discourse and less serious informal discussions on various topics related to leftist thought. >>2851498i made a new palestine versus zionist entity thread since we haven't had one in a while
>>2851527>>2851524You interjected with your miserable opinion that you come here because if is 'fun'
Eventually you will reach an age in time in which you realise you are here not because you enjoy it, but because you need to be. That the format and structure of every alternative is based on the commodification of content and the reduction of online discourse to nothing more than being the product of and purpose for profit.
>>2851504having anti zionist threads is proof of zionism?
>>2851524>>2851531To add to this: even the miserable minions of online Marxism on X reproduce this basic incapacity to critically engage in discussion. Primarily again because consumption of this content is geared around pleasure.
There is no alternative. If you come here for fun, I suggest you actually begin to read
>>2851528alright, I guess we branched out a bit, what can I say. it was the decisions over many years to move in that direction, that was what users wanted. ultimately people don't like having their posts removed unless it's for a good reason
>>2851529Alright then, very interesting. Can you explain to me then how porn and whatever else is necessary for this place to be "fun" and how it relates to the rest of the purpose you wrote there?
>>2851533They're playing 5D chess, just like Trump
>>2851536it's not 'necessary' just like any specific topic isn't, but it's something that many people find enjoyable and for people that dont they can just ignore it.
>>2851525Please do not let this faggot into the matrix lmao it's the only normal space on the entire internet
Argued with a Zionist the other day.
They straight up took crimes that the Israelis inflicted on the Palestinians and reversed the victim and perpetrator. They were trying to claim that โPalestinian snipers shot Israeli children to sabotage Israeli athletic teamsโ
>>2851528If politics is culture then everything is leftist or can be discussed in a leftist lens whether it's loli hentai or inceldom or sports. I don't see what the problem is so long as users approach the topics in good faith under a left-wing lens of critique. Like /leftypol/ itself is mostly concerned about mainstream politics but /siberia/ still has left-wing discussion on other stuff and I think thats a good thing.
>>2851535Whatever, I except the place as it is. I and other users have just explained why we wouldn't want to be publicly associated with the website or to direct people here. Yeah I try to be live and let live and ignore the crap I don't like. I think I've explained adequately why the hangout stuff doesn't help the single thing that makes this website unique from any other imageboard or 4chan that being the name of the website leftypol.org aka leftist politics .org.
The anon crashing out has a massively warped concept of the scale of whatever issue it is they're imagining. Take a walk dude
>>2851541Did you argue into the mirror? Your party is Zionist.
>>2851542religion and history threads only end up in siberia because nobody bites on leftypol
>>2851543>I don't tell my friends about the dying website full of mostly bad faith ultras arguing about how the DSA are NazisOh boohoo. Get over it man. This place is niche and will always be niche. It's a relic of the old Internet, a place where moderation is uniquely difficult because it's anonymous. Leftwing politics has always sucked ass, especially online. You're not on some crusade to save a place with actual impact in the real world. This is a fucking imageboard. Go outside
I've noticed porn posting has slowed down a hell of a lot by itself anyways. I think when people realized porn threads would just spawn endless arguments they realize that they'd be better off chatting about their masturbation habits in the pornhub or pornbooru comments sections.
>>2851553
>the 'real left' is using a fed honeypot run by a neonazi to promote fascism
>>2851553
>the real left
Is this "real left" in the room with us right now?
>>2851551I said I accept the website as it is. I'm not the one trying to bring users to this website. That's you guys. You had threads not to long about buying advertisements even. You run that twitter and tik tok account to try and drive some traffic here by screenshotting all our posts. I've seen you put some of mine and my memes up here. You guys are even selling merchandise of this dying website and formed an LLC for it.
>>2851562
>Mlm consensus
Me posting when I'm on crack:
>>2851498
>>2851565
>this place is like i said, literally known as the last leftist place that refuses to acknolwedge the racial aspects of colonialism and capitalism
i do not refuse to acknowledge the racial aspects of colonialism and capitalism.
>>2851572
>im actually insane
I believe you
The fact is that allowing fascists like the DNCPUSA has killed this website.
Why cant the pedophile mods just rangeban this guy? ๐ Does he use most popular network in the most populated region of amerika or something? One would think it would be easier to just rangeban. It seems like the mods are sacrificing hours of effort to delete his posts within the minute. Im just offering advice to help ๐
>>2851563Bro we have talked with the literal admin of the entire website and have had this discussion in depth: we have a little bit of a presence on some x accounts etc but we don't put much effort into growing the userbase or "brand" or whatever because we like the website like it is. This place has an upper limit to its broad appeal by its very nature as an oldschool imageboard. Just because there's merch doesn't mean it's becoming more mainstream or whatever. It's always going to be underground and that's the way we like it.
You are fucking imagining things
>>2851575its called a vpn
>>2851572
>>2851576
I love this guy, he's so honest and based
>>2851577>You are fucking imagining thingsWhat did I imagine? I participated in that thread on /meta/ where you were considering buying ads.
>>2851574this place literally started off on 8ch and used to be full of stirnerposting and bookchin shilling, I think it's gotten a little better since then eactually
>>2851572
Bro I am glad you are handing out food, I'm not gonna fight you, I don't even live in America and might doesn't prove who is right anyways.
I'm sure you are nicer in person but I don't know why you're doing this, you have made your point loud and clear, I don't know why you think it's important to keep yelling about it. Why are so mad about people who agree with you on 90% of issues when there's shit loads of evil fascist freaks out there that probably think you should be killed for giving food to hungry people?
>>2851581
>who comes to a chan in 2026 and complains about lack of moderation??
SO MUCH THIS. Like bro thinks that just because moderation is spotty and random means that the website is a secret honeypot of zionists or some shit.
If anything this place like a mental ward where the normal members talk whichever Anon is having a manic episode or psychotic break through their problems until they calm the fuck down.
>>2851582You are imagining what the
reasons are for that discussion. As if there's some ulterior motive. Which, btw, we didn't buy ads.
ive been on a lot of forums in my day and nothing good ever comes from over-moderating. it's pretty much a waste of time. spam and illegal content are the only things that are really worth aggressively dealing with.
>>2851588>>2851583The moda ban all actual Communists as quickly as possible to protect the feelings of an out and proud Catholic Fascist. There is a lot of reason to complain about the moderation on this "leftist" website.
>>2851590>You are imagining what the reasons are for that discussion. As if there's some ulterior motive. Which, btw, we didn't buy ads.What did I say about an ulterior motive? You were discussing buying ads to grow the userbase correct? What other reason would you have?
>>2851589
>we need more moderation
bro who gives a shit. The moderation here is the appropriate level, because it can't get much more intense without causing more problems than it solves. The mods generally use a light touch because anything more starts to lead to campist infighting amongst the team itself.
>>2851598
ACP and CPUSA couldn't be more different from each other.
>>2851600ACP is to the left of the DNCPUSA on every issue except idpol. The DNCPUSA has fully subordinated itself to the Democratic party and therefore supports all their genocidal and imperialist policies. DNCPUSA even ran pro-Hillary glazing in their official paper.
>>2851593>i'm being banned for being a communist actuallyyou're banned for stalking not communism. i am a communist and i have not been banned
>>2851368>I want to make it clear before I say anything further that I'm not trying to insult you or have anything against you, I want to have an earnest discussion on this as best as we can.I never assumed you were going to insult me or have anything against me. Are you mixing me up with someone else here?
>>2851587
>stirner is marxist
elaborate without being schizo
>>2851592
>everything i say i mean the opposite, you wouldnt get it
>>2851611
ACP and DNCPUSA are exactly as successful politically, which is to say not at all. The difference is that the ACP was explicitly founded in response to the DNCPUSA subordinating itself to the Democrats and supporting their political lines, which to be clear are genocide and capitalism.
I like how people are now just accepting the fact, and it is a fact, that the mods specifically ban everyone who opposes CPUSAnon now.
Honestly seeing the accusations people throw at the CPUSA on here pretty much is just watching them shadowbox a strawman. Like I saw one the other day claiming we support foreign intervention and the Iran war when we came out against it.
Itโs literally just retards making shit up.
>>2851616Haz in his last two Kick streams gave his analysis on the strategy regarding DSA. When the Democrats use everything they have to smash them, DSA will first have soaked up large amounts of the junior professional bourgoise and they're going to be lumpenized on mass via HR department crackdowns. ACP needs to be maneuverd into position to offer an emergency help pipeline into proletarianization. The lumpen element will proceed to create a new Nazi party.
That's going to be the turning point where the government starts running amok and constantly upping the risk of creating a jurisdictional crisis over rival armed branches of government.
tl;dr Haz has finally understood he can't keep Infrared stagnant anymore and is going to start attempting his old rapid growth model in order to force ACP into the discourse in anticipation of the DSA crash.
>>2851628It doesn't matter what you say. It matters what you DO. And what you do is vote for the Democrats at every possible opportunity. This means that despite your party's cowardly lies, you materially support imperialism war by voting for the people who support it.
This is not hard to understand, but you hide behind the mods every time someone brings it up.
>Maoism
The peasants of America cry out for revolution
>>2851631
>American workers are more reactionary than American lumpens.
Elaborate and provide evidence
>>2851638
You're such a fucking schizo
>>2851636it's not maoism it's internet retardation
>>2851631
>What do you think George Floyd was?
Really niqqa. George Floyd? The dude or the riots? Because if you think that was organic I have a bridge to sell you, no refunds, cash only.
>American workers are more reactionary than American lumpens.
How do you measure a group as reactionary or not? Because both lumpens are workers in america have excessive individualism that comes out funny like the entreprecariat.
>>2851643>entreprecariatthe what
I know what you mean, entrepreneur + precarious + proletariat but I've never seen that word before >>2851645i mean isn't that kind of how america was established and what israel is doing right now? not him btw
>Settler
This should honestly either be word filtered or a ban on sight word
>>2851647
well the early leadership of BLM was literally killed by cops and replaced with think tank liberals
>>2851649???????? but the west bank is being settled right now by zionists. kind of prevents active discussion about settler colonialism that still happens
As I have said many times and none of you have even tried to dispute, because you cannot, the DNCPUSA is a far right political party that has entirely submitted to the Democrats and supports their political line wholeheartedly. The genocide of Gaza, the GWOT, the intercontinental carceral system, the extrajudicial murders, all of these are blood on DNCPUSA's hands and they know it and are proud of it. The official DNCPUSA party line, which Myles is even to the right of, is that only American lives matter and if millions die to make American lives even an iota better it is worth it. This is not a left wing party. It is a far right party that is too cowardly to admit it, and the fact that you all support it condemns you all.
>>2851644
>. I've lived both lives, ive been in prison and worked as a construction worker non union and union. The people who are the most reactionary are people with secure jobs, people who have never broken the law, or got in trouble. The people who seem to hate the economy and way society is set up, are people who have lived lives of trouble or precarious existence.
I'm pretty comfortable but I hate the system and don't want my tax dollars being used to commit genocide. i hate cops who kill black people and plant drugs on homeless people. i am petty bourgeois and have an easy job but i hate the capitalists for exploiting the proletariat even though i am not one. maybe i am the exception here but i have not had a precarious life and I just want everyone else to have that. I think that is possible. I think it is possible to have a world without genocide or profit or capitalism. yes we have to die fighting for it probably.
>>2851654i do not dispute that it is just unimportant to me because they are not relevant anymore
>>2851647>>2851650Yeah, the guy ignores how BLM is just a containment strategy. America has no culture that facilitates revolution. You should read Mosca's book on the mafia. You will then realize that revolutions arise in communities that have a legit hivemind soul of somekind. America's culture his highly mediated by formalism and is very individualistic, at best you will have a pickup truck chud revolt and it will only last like 2 months tops.
https://www.amazon.ca/What-Mafia-Gaetano-Mosca/dp/1923104950>>2851652so the petty bourgeois entrepreneur, precarious lumpen, and proletariat have merged into one thing called the entreprecariat? Sounds strange.
>>2851660
> BLM is just another NGO looking to manage the insurgency
that's what he said tho
>>2851656They are the largest nominally Communist party in America, and so they are more relevant than whatever microsect you're a part of. The fact is the DNCPUSA's line is the way it is for a reason. They are intentionally designed to destroy the left and lead it down a garden path of class collaboration. This is not just a non-Communist party, it is a structurally anti-Communist party and it should be treated like it.
>>2851660He specifically referred to George Floyd. My argument was that shit was a psyop. You know that police brutality will never go away because it is a tool of the state. People can try to stop it, but if it "succeeds" you will now it's fake like no kings or shit like that.
>>2851659Yes. Marx explicitly refered to the proletarianization of the petty bougie. This is the converse of that, where the prole now has to also be a betty bougie with his labor. Kinda how uber drivers cannot unionize because they are competing against each other. This is all by design to prevent class solidarity.
>>2851662they're irrelevant, trust me. they aren't really stopping the real movement or building it. they're just a joke.
>>2851663>Yes. Marx explicitly refered to the proletarianization of the petty bougie. This is the converse of that, where the prole now has to also be a betty bougie with his labor. Kinda how uber drivers cannot unionize because they are competing against each other. This is all by design to prevent class solidarity.it's crazy how fast uber destroyed the taxi unions without having to build even a single piece of brick and mortar infrastructure. all they had to do was build an app and let people lease their own private vehicles. a yellow cab union would repair the car for you. then they got outcompeted by random gusanos driving around in SUVs that they just put a down payment on
>>2851665
>>2851667
ok i see what you mean. thank you for providing the source.
>>2851635
>Getting rid of the most annoying people out there
Damn Iโve got my disagreements with party leadership but thatโs pretty cool if true.
>>2851678
You canโt claim that maybe the most annoying tendency of people out there, โMaoistsโ, get purged and expect me to cry crocodile tears over them.
>>2851668All by design, because the elites read Marx and know it's true but they tell the masses he was deboonked because they don't want interference from the plebs. Cecil Rhodes was kinda like that too.
>>2851685ngl the Mamdani victories have been redpilling me
on why socdems managed to seduce so many people historically, jesus christ you retards are like crack addicts about this shit. Dont bother everypony, that was the Juche schizo again
>>2851690Is jucheschizo the guy ranting about the CPUSA purging Maoists or is that a different guy?
>>2851694He's got like three or four different personas, sometimes he does it under the tor node sometimes not. One of them will be some supposed member of a "Juche collective" that's synthesized anarchism and Maosim (not a bad idea in theory tbh) which manifests in weird Juche communes in abandoned houses in the city. The second persona is some FBI agent or whatever who has apparently dedicated his life to hunting down "Juche collectives" and makes posts here to mock us, because as we all know FBI agents love discussing their plans out loud to people. And the third and fourth are these sorts of "passive observer" types who nevertheless will lend unusual levels of credulity to the narrative. It's been going on for a couple months now and frankly it's time someone did something about it
>>2851695>One of them will be some supposed member of a "Juche collective" that's synthesized anarchism and Maosim >FBI agent or whatever who has apparently dedicated his life to hunting down "Juche collectives" Raw, unfiltered, dialectical schizophrenia
>>2851695Ah, okay. Best of luck then mod, I understand that can be a pain in the ass.
On a tangentially related note, open question here:
what about Maoism attracts so many mentally ill people?I know that comes across as rude, and I apologize, but Iโve yet to meet a single Maoist that doesnโt come across as more or less kind of insane. I personally think stuff like self-crit kind of creates a cult-like atmosphere, but it just seems so prominent in Maoism in particular.
>>2851697>On a tangentially related note, open question here: what about Maoism attracts so many mentally ill people?the fantasy of getting a bunch of your (imaginary) friends together in the slums of appalachia and defeating the government through protracted meth-fueled insurgency
>>2851697because mao himself was like 30% retarded, even though "maoism" has almost nothing to do with mao
>>2851695Thatโs not whatโs actually happening at all. We are real, ordinary people who genuinely believe in these causes. We were initially mocked and targeted by actual Zionists, so we adapted and we started flooding and spamming, pretending to be our own opponents. we were observing the activity of other users, and moderators. It's clear to me that there are actually glowies ingrained into this community, and CPUSAanon totes the exact same line as feds, "what about maoism attracts mentally ill cults?" or the painting of Felix as some unhinged actor, when in reality he is speaking pure truth. The mods are mad about this, I wonder why? CPUSA FED SHILLS, who advocate for a Jewish state. Our goal was to drown out their criticisms under a tidal wave of insanity and disorganized thought, ultimately making their attacks against us useless.
They really did hijack one of our subreddits, and we really do have comrades currently locked up. So we took the rumors about police and anti-Palestinian actors and cranked them into blatant absurdity, then began spamming that nonsense not just here, but everywhere those actors operate.
We run multiple social media accounts posing as our enemies. Some are designed to make them look bad; others lead people down rabbit holes that unravel their entire logic. For example, I maintain a fake patriot profile that has received thousands of dollars in donations from the far right via merchandise. Through it, I've covertly started implanting anti-capitalist ideas through a Christian lens and the followers are actually buying it. I also have other accounts that appear to support ICE. They look completely legitimate, and I use them to make outrageously evil, even perverted, claims further discrediting the opposition and muddying the waters completely.
>>2851697Shut the fuck up zionist fed. Whats next, you think people like this shouldn't be armed? you are unironically a zionist liberal.
>>2851699See from what Iโve read of Mao, Iโve liked a lot. Honestly his position on the partyโs relationship to the people seems like something I kind of intuited before I read him. I like the concept of the mass line, for example.
But itโs just everything outside of that which throws me off. I think of Mao
ists as extremely paranoid, antisocial, and kind of histrionic. Iโm not just basing this off Felix, mind you; it seems like whenever I read about Maoists is cause they killed each other thinking every one else is a fed, or they formed a cult like revcom, or they do something insane like try to kill a mailman with a samurai sword to โdestroy the bourgeois stateโ.
Like the lights are on but no one is home; you talk to these people and itโs like thereโs nothing there.
Fuck, I might actually email some universities to see if they did any work on Maoist orgs in the west and mental illness. Iโm morbidly curious.
>>2851704You know nothing of real revolutionary anti-capitalism. You are a settler and a zionist.
>I think of Maoists as extremely paranoid, antisocial, and kind of histrionic. Iโm not just basing this off Felix, mind you; it seems like whenever I read about Maoists is cause they killed each other thinking every one else is a fed, or they formed a cult like revcom, or they do something insane like try to kill a mailman with a samurai sword to โdestroy the bourgeois stateโ.
This is how federal agents speak. The CPUSA is fed shit.
Should I join the DSA? Y/N
>>2851703>Whats next, you think people like this shouldn't be armed?Yes. This is explicitly DNCPUSA'S line. Their line is that the left shouldn't be armed, shouldn't fight the state and should instead collaborate with it by voting in elections and absolutely nothing else. This is why they are structurally an anti-Communist party despite being too cowardly to admit it.
>>2851708I'm not a member(yet) but I say yes. Although different chapters are more based than others. Might as well go and check out your local one and see what you think.
>>2851708The DSA is a counterrevolutionary and anti-communist organization so if you're even considering joining it for anything beyond infiltration before you physically liquidate their chapters, you are not and never will be a communist.
>>2851708>>2851704>Fuck, I might actually email some universities to see if they did any work on Maoist orgs in the west and mental illness. Iโm morbidly curious.This would just be you and a bunch of psychologists who do analysis for the federal governments campaigns of counter-insurgency against their own populations, so you shouldn't have a hard time fitting in, being a proud member of CPUSA in 2026 and all.
This is federal agent speak. Real communists don't question why a class of people who are inherently criminalized under capitalist rule, are mentally on edge, and hyper-vigilant about surveillance. The real mentally ill are the people who wake up every day without a lust for tearing this sick rotten society to the ground. You are the mentally ill one if you are well adjusted within this Zionist settler state neo liberal society. The people who can picture themselves living life without a care in the world, without being in a constant state of rage, you are the mentally ill ones.
>>2851711Didnโt you get a CCW permit because youโre afraid of breaking the law?
Has anyone seen those Juche Anarchists around?
I'm asking for a friend
>>2851695>synthesized anarchism and Maosim (not a bad idea in theory tbh)Anyone who thinks this is even a thing or even a good idea is a mentally ill retard.
>>2851697>sees juche poster's stupidity>immediately conflates it with "Maoism"You (and many anons here) are more of an anti-communist than that juche loser could ever hope to be.
Before you spew more ignorant bile please read this thread
>>2767836 to get some idea of Maoism.
>>2851720Do you actually do anything bloodgasm? Before you go:
>wouldn't you like to know fed!!!I just mean in the most general sense you feel comfortable with. Like what do you do as a maoist besides post here?
>>2851721He tills his lord's fields you idiot
>>2851723
No wonder that pernicious FBI agent wants to shut your group down
>>2851720>mentally a retardYou know nothing, and have not committed the same hours to studying Maoist and Juche thought. It shows.
https://www.kci.go.kr/kciportal/ci/sereArticleSearch/ciSereArtiView.kci?sereArticleSearchBean.artiId=ART001836008
>>The purpose of this paper is to deconstruct KimIlSungism, namely Chuchโe ideology by analyzing different ideological sources chronologically. I penetrate the revolutionary genealogy of North Korean revolutionaries with their strict deeds against Japanese imperialism, and demonstrate their genuine ideological communication, which would be a cultural key to enter contemporary North Korean social system. I argue mostly new points different from previous studies on North Korea. At first, North Korean socialism historically started from anarchism in the 1880s, not Marxism-Leninism. Second, the inherent turning point in North Korean socialism was the re-emergence of two heroes, An Jung Gลญn and Sin Chโae Ho. Third, North Korean socialism actually stemmed from indigenous idealism applied from Kropotkinโs anarcho-communism, and further re-developed Bakuninโs violent revolution theory. Fourth, the impetus and center of the North Korean revolutionary movement was the Koreans exiled and displaced in China, not the Soviet. Fifth, the debris of anarchistic revolutionaries still remains in North Korea, for instance, a slogan from ลฌiyลlttan and anarchistic characteristics of the Chโลllima Movement. As a result, North Korea might still be a bicameral society between Kropotkinโs anarcho-communism and Bakuninโs violent anarchism, not a unilateral one as is the prevailing view. >>2851720blow your brains out immediately
Hey, what's with this shit about jauche gang stuff? I heard something like this recently, theres a couple of old buildings near where i live, started seeing juche related graffiti which i thought was quite weird at first, it's this old courtyard that had a basketball court at some point, a couple of weeks ago i seen some guys around there, they looked like they were up to no good, Started makin trouble in the neighborhood. I got in one little fight, and my mom got scared, And said, You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air.
Pic unrelated. Im new.
>>2851720I mean at what point am I allowed to make a judgement on it? Cause weโve got RevCom being a cult for Bob Avakian, those Japanese Maoists that killed each other in a circular firing squad, Maoists out here that just exploded in a huge conflagration of drama and accusing each other of being Nazis, like when can I make the call that it seems like a ton of crazies drift to it?
Again, Iโm not saying this to insult anyone who likes Maoism and Iโm not claiming theyโre โanti communistsโ, I just think they need some mental help. Look, if a Maoist wanted to have a calm discussion we totally could, Iโm open to it, but it seems like thatโs nearly impossible.
>>2851736Blood is an unironic shining path guy. The purest most epic heckin proletarian third worldist ideology with nothing to show for it
>>2851716They split up because they were an abusive cult but I can tell you right now the guys in that video were not the Austin Red Guards
>>2851722This, but unironically.
>>2851723What does this have anything to do with Maoism specifically MLM? If there is a anarchist to juche pipeline, I'm not surprised, but don't think this has anything to do with MLM.
>>2851725>You know nothing, and have not committed the same hours to studying Maoist and Juche thought.Thank goodness I haven't.
>As a result, North Korea might still be a bicameral society between Kropotkinโs anarcho-communism and Bakuninโs violent anarchism, not a unilateral one as is the prevailing view.jfc, imagine believing this
>>2851736Don't make me tap the link
>>2767836 again.
>>2851736>Maoists out here that just exploded in a huge conflagration of drama and accusing each other of being NazisThe FRSO chapter here also imploded recently btw, they are sorta Maoist, or at least date back to the 1970s version of that.
>>2851741>VidYep that's them!
>>2851742I looked at your link you said:
>>2767836>not for largely urbanized or imperialist countries, where the "October road" tactic should be used. This is important to keep in mind later on in the post. >>2767841> ICOR parties operating in imperialist countries correctly focus on proletariat no faith in national bourgeoisie, and united front from below, i.e. tactics of 'October Road'.<I want to know more about "October Road" tactics because when I look this stuff up all I get is a stupid TV show from 2007>>2795145>wish someone knowledgeable would answer thisThen some other guy had to answer for you. So can you elaborate on this "October Road" thing since as you say, it is the only thing in that long ass post that is relevant to us.
>>2851735>assuming there's a revolution jussst around the corner. Annnyyy day nowโฆNot if you keep voting for social fascists. Every single DSA candidate that gets elected sets the real movement back by a decade.
>>2851762Trump: THIS IS LITERALLY COMMUNISM AND DESTROYING AMERICA
(false)
You: THIS IS LITERALLY FASCISM AND SETTING BACK THE REAL MOVEMENT BY DECADES
(false)
If a DSA person getting elected is so powerful it can set the real movement back by a decade then the so called real movement is fragile and brittle as fuck and nobody should support it because it's incapable of supporting anyone back
if social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism, and liberalism is the right wing of fascism, what is conservatism?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1895/03/06.htmFrederick Engels 1895Introduction to Karl Marxโs - The Class Struggles in France 1848 to 1850
>Thanks to the intelligent use which the German workers made of the universal suffrage introduced in 1866, the astonishing growth of the party is made plain to all the world by incontestable figures: 1871, 102,000; 1874, 352,000; 1877, 493,000 Social-Democratic votes. Then came recognition of this advance by high authority in the shape of the Anti-Socialist Law; the party was temporarily broken up, the number of votes dropped to 312,000 in 1881. But that was quickly overcome, and then, under the pressure of the Exceptional Law, without a press, without a legal organisation and without the right of association and assembly, rapid expansion began in earnest: 1884, 550,000; 1887, 763,000; 1890, 1,427,000 votes. The hand of the state was paralysed. The Anti-Socialist Law disappeared; the socialist vote rose to 1,787,000, over a quarter of all the votes cast. The government and the ruling classes had exhausted all their expedients โ uselessly, pointlessly, unsuccessfully. The tangible proofs of their impotence, which the authorities, from night watchman to the imperial chancellor had had to accept โ and that from the despised workers! โ these proofs were counted in millions. The state was at the end of its tether, the workers only at the beginning of theirs.
>But, besides, the German workers rendered a second great service to their cause in addition to the first, a service performed by their mere existence as the strongest, most disciplined and most rapidly growing socialist party. They supplied their comrades in all countries with a new weapon, and one of the most potent, when they showed them how to make use of universal suffrage.
>There had long been universal suffrage in France, but it had fallen into disrepute through the way it had been abused by the Bonapartist government. After the Commune there was no workersโ party to make use of it. It had also existed in Spain since the republic but in Spain election boycotts had been the rule for all serious opposition parties from time immemorial. The experience of the Swiss with universal suffrage was also anything but encouraging for a workersโ party. The revolutionary workers of the Latin countries had been wont to regard the suffrage as a snare, as an instrument of government trickery. It was different in Germany. The Communist Manifesto had already proclaimed the winning of universal suffrage, of democracy, as one of the first and most important tasks of the militant proletariat, and Lassalle had again taken up this point. Now that Bismarck found himself compelled to introduce this franchise as the only means of interesting the mass of the people in his plans, our workers immediately took it in earnest and sent August Bebel to the first, constituent Reichstag. And from that day on they have used the franchise in a way which has paid them a thousandfold and has served as a model to the workers of all countries. The franchise has been, in the words of the French Marxist programme, transformรฉ de moyen de duperie qu'il a รฉtรฉ jusquici en instrument d'emancipation โ transformed by them from a means of deception, which it was before, into an instrument of emancipation. And if universal suffrage had offered no other advantage than that it allowed us to count our numbers every three years; that by the regularly established, unexpectedly rapid rise in our vote it increased in equal measure the workersโ certainty of victory and the dismay of their opponents, and so became our best means of propaganda; that it accurately informed us of our own strength and that of all opposing parties, and thereby provided us with a measure of proportion second to none for our actions, safeguarding us from untimely timidity as much as from untimely foolhardiness โ if this had been the only advantage we gained from the suffrage, it would still have been much more than enough. But it did more than this by far. In election propaganda it provided us with a means, second to none, of getting in touch with the mass of the people where they still stand aloof from us; of forcing all parties to defend their views and actions against our attacks before all the people; and, further, it provided our representatives in the Reichstag with a platform from which they could speak to their opponents in parliament, and to the masses outside, with quite different authority and freedom than in the press or at meetings. Of what avail was their Anti-Socialist Law to the government and the bourgeoisie when election campaigning and socialist speeches in the Reichstag continually broke through it?
>With this successful utilisation of universal suffrage, however, an entirely new method of proletarian struggle came into operation, and this method quickly took on a more tangible form. It was found that the state institutions, in which the rule of the bourgeoisie is organised, offer the working class still further levers to fight these very state institutions. The workers took part in elections to particular diets, to municipal councils and to trades courts; they contested with the bourgeoisie every post in the occupation of which a sufficient part of the proletariat had a say. And so it happened that the bourgeoisie and the government came to be much more afraid of the legal than of the illegal action of the workersโ party, of the results of elections than of those of rebellion.
>For here, too, the conditions of the struggle had changed fundamentally. Rebellion in the old style, street fighting with barricades, which decided the issue everywhere up to 1848, had become largely outdated.
>Let us have no illusions about it: a real victory of insurrection over the military in street fighting, a victory as between two armies, is one of the rarest exceptions. And the insurgents counted on it just as rarely. For them it was solely a question of making the troops yield to moral influences which, in a fight between the armies of two warring countries, do not come into play at all or do so to a much smaller extent. If they succeed in this, the troops fail to respond, or the commanding officers lose their heads, and the insurrection wins. If they do not succeed in this, then, even where the military are in the minority, the superiority of better equipment and training, of uniform leadership, of the planned employment of the military forces and of discipline makes itself felt. The most that an insurrection can achieve in the way of actual tactical operations is the proficient construction and defence of a single barricade. Mutual support, the disposition and employment of reserves โ in short, concerted and co-ordinated action of the individual detachments, indispensable even for the defence of one borough, not to speak of the whole of a large town, will be attainable only to a very limited extent, and usually not at all. Concentration of the military forces at a decisive point is, of course, out of the question here. Hence passive defence is the predominant form of struggle; an attack will be mounted here and there, by way of exception, in the form of occasional thrusts and assaults on the flanks; as a rule, however, it will be limited to the occupation of positions abandoned by retreating troops. In addition, the military have at their disposal artillery and fully equipped corps of trained engineers, means of warfare which, in nearly every case, the insurgents entirely lack. No wonder, then, that even the barricade fighting conducted with the greatest heroism โ Paris, June 1848; Vienna, October 1848; Dresden, May 1849 โ ended in the defeat of the insurrection as soon as the leaders of the attack, unhampered by political considerations, acted according to purely military criteria, and their soldiers remained reliable.
>The numerous successes of the insurgents up to 1848 were due to a great variety of causes. In Paris, in July 1830 and February 1848, as in most of the Spanish street fighting, a civic guard stood between the insurgents and the military. This guard either sided directly with the insurrection, or else by its lukewarm, indecisive attitude caused the troops likewise to vacillate, and supplied the insurrection with arms into the bargain. Where this civic guard opposed the insurrection from the outset, as in June 1848 in Paris, the insurrection was vanquished. In Berlin in 1848, the people were victorious partly through considerable reinforcements in the shape of new fighting forces during the night and the morning of March 19th, partly as a result of the exhaustion and poor rations of the troops, and, finally, partly as a result of the paralysis engendered by the command. But in all cases the fight was won because the troops failed to respond, because the commanding officers lost the faculty to decide or because their hands were tied.
>Even in the classic time of street fighting, therefore, the barricade produced more of a moral than a material effect. It was a means of shaking the steadfastness of the military. If it held out until this was attained, victory was won; if not, the outcome was defeat. This is the main point which must be kept in view, also when examining the outlook for possible future street fighting.
>Back in 1849 already, this outlook was pretty poor. Everywhere the bourgeoisie had thrown in its lot with the governments, โculture and propertyโ had hailed and feasted the military moving against insurrection. The barricade had lost its magic; the soldier no longer saw behind it โthe peopleโ, but rebels, subversives, plunderers, levellers, the scum of society; the officer had in the course of time become versed in the tactical forms of street fighting, he no longer marched straight ahead and without cover against the improvised breastwork, but went round it through gardens, yards and houses. And this was now successful, with a little skill, in nine cases out of ten.
>But since then there have been very many more changes, and all in favour of the military. If the big towns have become considerably bigger, the armies have become bigger still. Paris and Berlin have, since 1848, grown less than fourfold, but their garrisons have grown more than that. By means of the railways, these garrisons can, in twenty-four hours, be more than doubled, and in forty-eight hours they can be increased to huge armies. The arming of this enormously increased number of troops has become incomparably more effective. In 1848 the smooth-bore, muzzle-loading percussion gun, today the small-calibre, breech-loading magazine rifle, which shoots four times as far, ten times as accurately and ten times as fast as the former. At that time the relatively ineffective round shot and grape-shot of the artillery; today the percussion shells, of which one is sufficient to demolish the best barricade. At that time the pick-axe of the sapper for breaking through fire proof walls; today the dynamite cartridge.
>On the other hand, all the conditions of the insurgentsโ side have grown worse. An insurrection with which all sections of the people sympathise is hardly likely to recur; in the class struggle all the middle strata will never in all probability group themselves around the proletariat so exclusively that in comparison the party of reaction gathered round the bourgeoisie will well-nigh disappear. The โpeopleโ, therefore, will always appear divided, and thus a most powerful lever, so extraordinarily effective in 1848, is gone. If more soldiers who have seen service came over to the insurrectionists, the arming of them would become so much the more difficult. The hunting and fancy guns of the munitions shops โ even if not previously made unusable by the removal of part of the lock on police orders โ are far from being a match for the magazine rifle of the soldier, even in close fighting. Up to 1848 it was possible to make the necessary ammunition oneself out of powder and lead; today the cartridges differ for each gun, and are everywhere alike only in one point, namely, that they are a complicated product of big industry, and therefore not to be manufactured ex tempore, with the result that most guns are useless as long as one does not possess the ammunition suited only to them. And, finally, since 1848 the newly built quarters of the big cities have been laid out in long, straight, broad streets, tailor-made to give full effect to the new cannons and rifles. The revolutionary would have to be mad to choose of his own accord the new working class districts in the north or east of Berlin for a barricade fight.
>Does that mean that in the future street fighting will no longer play any role? Certainly not. It only means that the conditions since 1848 have become far more unfavourable for civilian fighters and far more favourable for the military. In future, street fighting can, therefore, be victorious only if this disadvantageous situation is compensated by other factors. Accordingly, it will occur more seldom at the beginning of a great revolution than at its later stages, and will have to be undertaken with greater forces. These, however, may then well prefer, as in the whole great French Revolution or on September 4 and October 31, 1870, in Paris, the open attack to passive barricade tactics. >>2851782>Does the reader now understand why the powers-that-be positively want to get us to go where the guns shoot and the sabres slash? Why they accuse us today of cowardice, because we do not take without more ado to the streets, where we are certain of defeat in advance? Why they so earnestly implore us to play for once the part of cannon fodder?
>The gentlemen pour out their petitions and their challenges for nothing, for absolutely nothing. We are not that stupid. They might just as well demand from their enemy in the next war that he should accept battle in the line formation of old Fritz, [Frederick II] or in the columns of whole divisions a la Wagram and Waterloo, and with the flint-lock in his hands at that. If conditions have changed in the case of war between nations, this is no less true in the case of the class struggle. The time of surprise attacks, of revolutions carried through by small conscious minorities at the head of masses lacking consciousness is past. Where it is a question of a complete transformation of the social organisation, the masses themselves must also be in on it, must themselves already have grasped what is at stake, what they are fighting for, body and soul.
>The history of the last fifty years has taught us that. But in order that the masses may understand what is to be done, long, persistent work is required, and it is just this work that we are now pursuing, and with a success which drives the enemy to despair.
>In the Latin countries, too, it is being realised more and more that the old tactics must be revised. Everywhere the German example of utilising the suffrage, of winning all posts accessible to us, has been imitated; everywhere the unprepared launching of an attack has been relegated to the background. In France, where for more than a hundred years the ground has been undermined by one revolution after another, where there is not a single party which has not done its share in conspiracies, insurrections and all other revolutionary actions; in France, where, as a result, the government is by no means sure of the army and where the conditions for an insurrectionary coup de main are altogether far more favourable than in Germany โ even in France the Socialists are realising more and more that no lasting victory is possible for them unless they first win over the great mass of the people, i.e. the peasants in this instance. Slow propaganda work and parliamentary activity are recognised here, too, as the immediate tasks of the party. Successes have not been lacking. Not only have a whole series of municipal councils been won; fifty Socialists have seats in the Chambers, and they have already overthrown three ministries and a president of the republic. In Belgium last year the workers forced the adoption of the franchise, and have been victorious in a quarter of the constituencies. In Switzerland, in Italy, in Denmark, yes, even in Bulgaria and Romania the Socialists are represented in the parliaments. In Austria all parties agree that our admission to the Imperial Council can no longer be withheld. We will get in, that is certain; the only question still in dispute is: by which door? And even in Russia, when the famous Zemsky Sobor meets โ that National Assembly to which young Nicholas offers such vain resistance โ even there we can reckon with certainty on being represented in it.
>But whatever may happen in other countries, the German Social-Democrats occupy a special position and thus, at least in the immediate future, have a special task. The two million voters whom they send to the ballot box, together with the young men and women who stand behind them as non-voters, form the most numerous, most compact mass, the decisive โshock forceโ of the international proletarian army. This mass already supplies over a quarter of the votes cast; and as the by-elections to the Reichstag, the Diet elections in individual states, the municipal council and trades court elections demonstrate, it is constantly on the increase. Its growth proceeds as spontaneously, as steadily, as irresistibly, and at the same time as tranquilly as a natural process. All government intervention has proved powerless against it. We can count even today on two and a quarter million voters. If it continues in this fashion, by the end of the century we shall have the greater part of the middle strata of society, petty bourgeoisie and small peasants, and we shall grow into the decisive power in the land, before which all other powers will have to bow, whether they like it or not.I'm going to voot so hard Mr. Engels-sama! I won't let you down.
HELL YEAH >>2851787what good is a billionaire tax when billionaires will just lobby the government to give them endless government subsidies worth more than the tax?
i feel like people are waking up that half-measures won't work.
>>2851787The guy flip flops on everything; about the only thing he should be promising that could be reasonably expected is Blue terror against MAGA
>>2851791why winge about this guy flip flopping given all the other DSA candidates? anyone can be a part of the coalition so long as they say the right things right? all the podcaster endorsements are coming
>>2851791>The guy flip flops on everythingAOC and a lot of the DSA flip flopped before. Gavin Newsom might end up being our FDR. We are finally forming a coalition that can get real socdem reforms in and if he gets the credit,so be it
>>2851792I mean are there that many notable candidates? Newsom is running for sure but most seem to be speculating.
That said Iโve got little faith in the Dems putting a good candidate forward. At this point I just want โhow will we punish MAGAโ to be the point of discussion for them.
>>2851794Iโd say him just nodding his head along to Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro and him also vetoing ranked choice voting/billionaire tax legislation stands as a black mark on his record. Can he change? Maybe but heโd have to put a lot of work in, in not a lot of time.
Either way, I donโt trust him at present.
>>2851798Him engaging with Charlie Kirk showcases his socdem credentials similar to FDR negotiating the New Deal with the Dixiecrats. It takes pressure and it is working. FDR wasn't himself until Huey Long came along and forced him to be more radical. The DSA is playing this role right now so Newsom has potential to do that
>>2851791>about the only thing he should be promising that could be reasonably expected is Blue terror against MAGAare you serious?
do you not remember the 4 years of biden after he promised to prosecute MAGA?
why do hazbin hotels fall for it so often lmao
>>2851787newsom peaked too early, he made a big splash but the polls have shown kamala and buttgig beating him.
he has to do something, 2028 democrat primaries are going to be fucking brutal
>>2851720>synthesized anarchism and maoismThis is not a synthesis. It is a long-standing united front a provisional alignment of forces that recognizes a shared enemy and a shared horizon, without collapsing into theoretical uniformity. Within this front, anarchism and nihilism are not treated as ideologies to be adopted or rejected, they are seen as social tensions and dialectical pressures that shape the revolutionary subject itself. They are ways of building the subject, the process by which the worker, the colonized, the lumpen, transforms from a passive object of history into a conscious agent of liberation.
This front operates on a materialist premise the dictatorship of the proletariat is not an abstraction to be debated, but a strategic necessity. The Marxist theory of the state is accepted in its broad contours, the state is a product of class antagonisms, and the seizure of state power by the working class is the precondition for the suppression of the bourgeoisie and the transition to communism. However, this front parts ways with orthodox Marxism on a critical point, the dictatorship of the proletariat must not be a replica of the bourgeois state. It must be an imaginative reconstruction of power itself, a new form of political organization that does not reproduce the bureaucratic and coercive logic of the imperial state it replaces.
The anarchist critique of bureaucracy is not a deviation from Marxism; it is a necessary corrective. The bureaucratization of the socialist state is not a historical accident it is a tendency rooted in the very structure of the modern state form. The anarchist emphasis on horizontalism, direct communism, and the prefigurative construction of new social relations within the revolutionary period serves as a check on this bureaucratic tendency. It is not a rejection of the dictatorship of the proletariat, it can more accurately be seen as a demand that it be a genuine dictatorship of the proletariat, not a capture of old institutions. This is specifically relevant to the material and political conditions of North America. Anarchism, in this reading, is the seen as a tool that can potentially co-exist within the Marxist project.
Juche, understood materially, is the recognition that the revolutionary subject whether a nation, a peoples, or a movement must forge its own path, must โhew out an untrodden pathโ, relying on its own strength and its own consciousness. This is the materialist truth that liberation cannot be imported or imposed. It must be built from the ground up, by the masses themselves, through their own experience of struggle.
Juche also offers a corrective to the economism that has plagued the Marxist tradition. By emphasizing the role of consciousness, the subjective factor, the individual's role in the collective, Juche insists that the revolution is not merely a matter of objective conditions, but of the conscious organization of the masses. Juche dictates that strong individuals build stronger collectives.
The masses are not the object of history; they are the subject of history. This is the materialist core of Juche, the recognition that human beings, as social beings with independence, creativity, and consciousness, are capable of transforming their own conditions.
This is why the Chinese and Korean revolutions have heavy roots in anarchism. The anarchist emphasis on selfโorganization, on the direct action of the masses, on the creation of new social forms from below, is not alien to the revolutionary tradition of East Asia. It is part of its deepest currents. The anarchist critique of the state, the anarchist insistence on the autonomy of the masses, the anarchist vision of a society without rulers, they are indigenous to the revolutionary struggles of the region, and they have shaped the development of Marxism in China and Korea in ways that the Western tradition has yet to fully grasp.
The united front, then, is not a synthesis of anarchism and Marxism. It is a strategic alignment that recognizes the dialectical relationship between these currents in past and present
>>2851700>if you get elected you win o algoHave you guys not learned anything from MAGAtards following their chud entryist candidate only to be backstabbed every time
>>2851720yeah, because sectarianism is the core basis of communism.
I keep the receipts.
>JUST IN: Texas becomes first state to require students to read the Bible
it was approved, lmao.
>>2851862
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>JUST IN: 13 moderate Democrats have signed a โPromise to Americaโ pledge vowing to fight against Democratic socialists.
>>2851873I mean, does it even make a difference? Texas is pretty conservative, I would be surprised if this wasn't the case already…
>>2851817I donโt think trump is even capable of meaning what he says, let alone making a real ideological case for it. If you trust anything coming out of his mouth, especially about the state of working people, you need a dementia test as badly as he does.
>>2851834>claims to be materialist>immediately goes full on metaphysics Yeah this is ai slop. The real question is, why even generate this insane "vibe theory"? And even more so(if this is that anarco-juche cult), uh, is this being taught/circulated to/by people who know this is ai or just think this is real/accurate? Food for thought.
>>2851857This isn't an American only thing. Many people the world over venerate criminals and the culture surrounding organized crime.
>>2851866I may be sectarian but if you honestly think it is only about "destroying" things, I truely think you are a retard, even if you may call yourself a Maoist.
>>2851892they are violating the constitution by this. 'conservatives' were supposed to be all of constitution this and that.
"The Establishment Clause", basically prohibits the government from establishing a national religion, endorsing one religion over another, or favoring religious organizations over non-religious ones; and the government generally cannot interfere with your religious beliefs or practices.
they are mentally retarded for trying that, and I don't it will be uphold in courts.
>>2851904>I may be sectarianglad you admitted that you are anti-communist.
>f you honestly think it is only about "destroying" things, I truely think you are a retard, even if you may call yourself a Maoist.I am not any of the anons you replied or interacted with ITT, except for this post:
>>2851866my point is: you are the pot calling the kettle black.
>>2851904>This isn't an American only thing. Many people the world over venerate criminals and the culture surrounding organized crime.But do other countries even do it as much as Americans do? I feel like other countries fetishize American crime and gang culture a lot but idk.
>>2851943Anyone who's still using Twitter in the current year should be sent to a gulag.
>>2851787>veto billionaire tax>"WE NEED A BILLIONAIRE TAX!!!"I think a lot of dumb liberals in the Democratic Party who consistently vote in primaries will fall for it yeah. Just look at the amount of people who still simp for Buttigieg or think Kamala running again is a good idea.
>>2851943to /ISG/
>>2851948it's a news feed source, it's the 2020s RSS reader from late 2000s, 2010s. though
>>2851943 is posting X goyslop drama that belongs to /ISG/
Millions must read The American Revolution: Pages From a Negro Worker's Notebook by James Boggs, he was already talking about the end of the factory form of self organization by the 60s.
https://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/amreboggs.html>>2851857>why do only burgers do this thing everyone doesnah people have folk hero criminals going way back. think of robin hood.
>>2851966>buys into the question asker's premise and psychologizes it with manifest destinyno because indigenous americans also have folk hero criminals. And so do communists…. like the Bolsheviks. They did crimes to fund the party.
The difference between a revolutionary crime and a reactionary crime is on whose half it is done.
The real question is whether people venerate
reactionary criminals, not criminals in general. Revolution will never be a legal or disorganized act, therefore revolution is the greatest manifestation of organized crime.
>>2851835I agree it's prboably AI generated but it's really fucking annoying that people are killing the planet both to generate text nobody will read and to "prove" that text is AI … like if you won't read it because you don't trust AI, then why trust AI to diagnose it as AI? Just ignore it and move on. Nobody is moved emotionally either by AI generated text or by a screenshot "proving" it to be AI that also came from an AI. You're using a fake solution to solve a fake problem.
>>2851995Legitimately the only good Disney movie.
>>2851909Protestants are trying to get around this by framing the Bible as a historical document. Parting the Red Sea and resurrection makes it look like a supernatural fantasy novel, but what do I know
>>2852022I'm a shityank, and not even white and I didn't even hear of king von until he was dead, and mostly from the meme clip that gay nazi anon kept posting on here
>>2851287>DIGGERSshouldn't this be auto-corrected to duyghurs?
>>2852031>I'm a shityank, and not even white and I didn't even hear of king von until he was dead, and mostly from the meme clip that gay nazi anon kept posting on hereWould that be the same if you were a well off white kid? because they seem like the ones who most romanticize this stuff.
>>2852022>King Von only got famous cuz he died. bad example
>>2852033well i guess one important thing is to not confuse the function and form of the folk hero criminal.
>>2852031>not even white and I didn't even hear of king von until he was deadHave you ever listened to Chief Keef? King Von was huge especially because the Chicago scene street rap became extremely popular. It also added to the image of Chiraq
>>2852035I would say that both X and King Von were popular before their deaths
>>2852041Van Jones was a Maoist in college btw
This is an interimperialist war
>>2852053see it's a totally broken word filter. they cared more about attempts to get around it than they needed to.
I can't wait for the revolution when AOC leads us all to glorious bloody victory against porky.
This is an interimperialist orgy
Communism becoming an identity is the worst thing to ever happen.
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>>2852059>>2852057You may say
<bbbut I am someone who takes my ideology seriously and attempts to separate ego from the theory and practice, to truly hone it like a blade in the present moment!But you don't. You refuse to budge with your rigid beliefs because it was the only way you could make friends on the internet. It was the relgio that gave you meaning when you were at your lowest point, and without it you would feel empty, and as if you'd wasted all these years being "different" and feeling like you know the real truth behind history and politics.
But you're just some guy.
>>2852057it's the real movement to abolish the present state of things (it can never be more specific than that, because that would obligate me to do something specific)
>>2851303You pissed off some capitalists anon. Good work.
>>2852021>framing the Bible as a historical documenteverything is historical. I hope pastafarism to rise again.
>>2852005>>2851835Those detection tools don't work for text the way they do for images, and I have bad news, I wrote that word for word. These A.I text detections have high error rates and are essentially a scam. The A.I image detection works. You responded to none of the argument. Instead, you tried to lazily discredit a materialist analysis by questioning whether it was AI-generated. That's deflection. You'd be better off not responding, but it appears you have an agenda of discrediting Juche thought. You're avoiding the content, trying to undermine it without actually confronting it. That's not going to work. Try again, pussy.
>>2851904>claims to be materialist>immediately goes full on metaphysics You are one of the biggest jokes here, right up there with CPUSA anon in terms of federal energy. Western leftist pea brains have been accusing Juche of metaphysics and antiโMarxism for decades now, a tired, ossified critique that betrays a complete inability to read past the first paragraph of a text. But thankfully, our education has shifted the terrain. North Korea now commands nearโwidespread leftist support in the West, despite the best efforts of your intellectual sludge to prevent it. The tide has turned, and you've already been swept under. Keep up, or step aside.
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