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>>2852059 >>2853873why the fuck can't usapol be a cyclical thread we have like 5 different usapol threads at any given time!!!
>>2853854 (posting this here too)
>Mercantilism also had a lot of protectionism going on.>The era marx was writing it, the era of industrial capital, was more characterized byโฆfree trade under the british empireThe era was still associated with extremely high levels of protectionism. Places like the usa had high degrees of protection during its industrialization period. The german empire also was pretty simmilar too, in that regard.
>automation and machineryDidnt the first industrial revolution during (1760-1820) happened during britians mercantalist period? Of course the automation and mechanization wasnt to the level of the 1860s but the process was starting in the 1760s.
>capital as self expanding value through exploitation of labor power sold as a commodity by the proletariatwasnt this increasingly the case for later mercantalism when the british empires mercantalism started shifting towards the promotion and selling of manufactured goods?
>>2853861>Profits were made by simply moving something like spices from regions where they were common to regions where they were scarce. I'veLater mercantalism in the british empire was shifting towards a pro manufacturing model, tho
Fuck you i alreafy made a new thread
>>2853881it was a cyclical thread until I forget what year… 2023? mods had the idea to abolish cycled threads except for isg. On the one hand this means we have a clear signal for when to archive old threads, and users can go back and read them, on the other hand it means you have to find which thread is the new thread, and if the old thread has a lot of shitslinging that gets removed by mods a little late, it becomes un-bumplocked.
As for usapol cluttering the catalog, yes we do catalog imperialism. though most threads are slide threads anyway.
>>2853893Urs sucks ass delete this thread
Whatโs the exact dollar per hour before youโre a labor aristocrat rapist of the periphery? Which benefit package?
>>2853882>Places like the usa had high degrees of protection during its industrialization period.Wasn't the pattern described by Marx one of protectionism while industrializing, free trade when they achieved an advantageous position, and then back to protectionism in moments of crisis?
>>2853896according to somone in the previous thread if you make more than $8-10/hr you are making a "superwage"
>>2853899If you get 8.50 an hour but get tips from patrons have you raped the third world?
>>2853893>windowsfagin this economy?
>>2853898yes and thats one of the reasons why I find the distinctions between mercantalism and capitalism to be iffy. One of the distinctions I noticed some people say is the protectonism. But uh capitalist countries when they industrialize also engage in extreme protectonism
>>2853903depends on where i'm at when i'm shitposting
>>2853885>yes you're describing the process by which mercantilism evolved into capitalism gradually. there's no obvious cutoff point but I don't think they're the same exact things necessarily.tbh, I do see your point.
>>2853902maybe, ask the theologians
>>2853870>>2853872That's because china qnd dprk are socialist.
Everyone talks about how capitalism is inefficient, but the concrete form of this inefficiency is an american taking untold labor hours from the third world and flushing them down the toilet in the form of mcmansions, 10 mpg cars and green lawns in the desert
Another form is that houses in capitalist 3conomies appreciate in value, and this appreciation is the very inefficiency of capitalism, because it is driven by denial of housing.
Essentially your houses are expensive *because* of the superwages
>>2853897Urs a fat bourgesisiecuck
>>2853916>That's because china qnd dprk are socialist.So then socialism doesn't require American workers to give up home ownership, and in fact will improve access to it. Therefore they have more of an interest in pursuing socialism than they do in maintaining the current system. Therefore the whole "treatler" critique is nonsense. Socialism will improve access to treats.
>>2853916>is an american taking untold labor hours from the third world and flushing them down the toilet in the form of mcmansions, 10 mpg cars and green lawns in the desertThis doesn't happen
>>2853922>The commodity relation will be intensified under socialismStunning insight comrade
>>2853925If they're produced under a socialist mode of production then they aren't commodities by definition. Socialism will however increase material abundance.
(posting what the other guy said in the previous thread to here)
>>2853861 >I've still never thought that "mercantilism" should be considered its own economic system or mode of production though.The period was never self-described as "mercantilist". It is a derisive term given by liberals, especially after Adam Smith. The term "capitalism" itself is also a 19th century term, when according to Marx, capitalism existed since around 1500 CE, in development.
>>2853854The Mercantilist period began around 1600 CE and can be seen in various tendencies within the British, Dutch and French empires of the time. We see literature in the early 17th century (highlighted in Antoine Montchretien's "Traicte", 1615) that merchant guilds in the City of London were growing in social power following the joint-stock company of the East India Company (est. 1600), immediately followed by the Dutch East India Company (est. 1602). New legal frameworks such as the laws of the sea (maritime law) were being debated, regarding new mercantile systems of global trade and colonial capture. We see an emphasis on a growing industrial base at the same time however by Antoine Montchretien's primary account of the manufacturing of both Britain and the Netherlands (who were coincidentally the two great protestant powers which in establishing a national church - rather than submitting to Catholic internationalism, economised church property. Marx discusses this in regards to the Dissolution of the Monasteries, 1536-41, were former Church property became privately leased, which if you are inrerested in the saga of British law, overthrow internal debates about "mortmain", or the "dead hands" of "corporate" property). The most famous mercantilist writer is Thomas Mun's "England's Treasure" (1640), in which he emphasises a "balance of trade" as his main objective, which of course is entirely reasonable. Soon after this, we get William Potter (1650) who is subverting the dominant discourse away from the "usury" of creditors for the sake of expanding commerce (Marx also viewed this turn as the interests of industrial capital overtaking interest-bearing capital). This is followed up by Josiah Child (1668) on the same premises. Each of the men demanded a further lowering of the national rate of interest (which since the start of the mercantilist period, had been legally lowered). These men we can see as "demand-side" theorists who wanted to compete with the Dutch, whose rate of interest was lower. The prevailing opinion was that more trade means more wealth (which again, is reasonable). There are two major opponents to this view, William Petty (whom Marx regards as the first "Classical" economist) and John Locke. Both of these men contended that indeed, the rate of interest was correlary of trade, but the cause of the rate of interest was the increased productivity, not the increase of money itself. These men can be considered "supply-side" mercantilists. This concludes the 17th century view, but there was still lingeing interest, such as the Irish philosopher Berkeley, who took a demand-side position in the early 18th century (1735). The real revolutionary turn however was with Joseph Massie (1750) who asserted that both of the mercantilist schools were wrong, and that in fact, the rate of interest is caused by the rate of profit (not simply the amount of circulating money) - this is followed up by Smith (1776) in his view that the historical rate of interest can track the historical rate of profit, and so capital investment becomes causal of interest, which is also applied in Keynesian macroeconomics, by the "marginal efficiency of capital".
So, mercantilism was not a "system" apart from capitalism, it was an earlier stage of development which produced different theories of wealth. James Steuart (1767) is often cited as the last classic mercantilist, and Steuart plays an important role to Marx also, particularly in his theory of money - between "coin" and "bullion". Friedrich List (1841) is considered a reviver of mercantilism, which is fair, but his book "National System of Political Economy" can also be considered primarily historical, not theoretical.
so are you guys going to talk about the KOSA bill they're voting on today? they want to implement age verification systems, both at the OS level and at the network level, to regulate a user's access to the internet, and force website owners to collect sensitive user data to achieve this, in the name of protecting the children. bad idea, right?
>>2853927You have such a poor understanding of what socialism is that you collapse material abundance and property relations into some panacea whilst preserving the ideal of consumption
>>2853931I don't see what any of that has to do with what I said. Socialism abolishes the commodity form while simultaneously improving material abundance. Therefore it makes sense to say that socialism will expand access to "treats" (i.e. things ones considered luxuries) without any deepening of the commodity relations.
>>2853933Ah but have you considered that Americans actually deserve to suffer for moralistic reasons?
>>2853916>mcmansionsi rent, leave me alone
>10 mpg carsmy car is 30 mpg, leave me alone
>green lawns in deserti dont live in the desert, leave me alone
>houses in capitalist economies appreciate in valuei dont own a house, leave me alone
>denial of housingi am denied a house, leave me alone
>you earn superwagenot enough to access the burger privileges
>>2853930>so are you guys going to talk about the KOSA bill they're voting on today? no we're going to litigate treatlerism vs. third worldism for the gorillionth time
>>2853923have you seen phoenix
now practically illiterate morons unable to think beyond their immediate personal experience will take personal offense because they work mediocre mcjobs
>>2853928an effortpost? in this economy?
>>2853944Oh wow a city exists, guess we're all treatlerites then
>>2853944you could go to r/wallstreetbets and find an entire forum full of day trading burger treatlerites failsons and bother them
you could go to r/military and find unapologetic footsoldiers of US imperialism and bother them
why hit a small number of targets here when you could hit a much bigger number of targets on reddit, where you belong?
>>2853944Value is realized when commodities are bought and capitalists get the money, first world workers earn better wages because capitalism developed there first.
>>2853949well, those places are regulated echo chambers where such push back would not be tolerated. you get banned for going against any given subreddit's grand narrative. just saying.
>>2853861>>2853854>>2853928To add something basic which was overlooked, William Potter in 1650 proposes a "land bank" to establish lines of national credit for investment, and Marx calls Josiah Child a precedessor to the creditors who establish the Bank of England (1694), which then becomes integral to the national investment in industry, by collecting funds for large-scale development. In the same time, the Netherlands had established a central bank. John Law in the early 18th century was also advocating the same policy for France. The foundation of central banks is then internal to mercantile debates. John Locke himself became a member of the Board of Trade in 1696, like how Isaac Newton became Bank of England treasurer, who in 1717 established the gold standard. So then, interest-bearing capital loses primacy by the consolidation of credit for the sake of investment into industrial capital. Now, the world's first central bank has an interesting history. It was established by the Knights Templar in the 12th century during the Crusades, setting up franchises all over the place, such as the Temple Bank in the City of London. The assets were eventually seized on October 13, 1307 (which was also a massively corrupt era of the Catholic Church - the accusations of the Templars being idolaters who worship Baphomet equally apply to the institution as a whole - even barring the later selling of "indulgences" which pissed off Luther). This was the beginning of the end of the medieval era, as the Black Death came soon after, along with the dissolution of feudalism in England, and the rediscovery of antiquity in the Renaissance, finally leading up to the Protestant Reformation (e.g. "modernity").
>>2853952true… i guess you are doomed to preach to the choir until they become contrarian out of annoyance
>>2853947>>2853949>>2853950>first world economies make poor use of extracted third world resources and labor< uhh sweaty have you considered that I am both POOR and STUPIDvery compelling stuff here.
>>2853958>first world economies make poor use of extracted third world resources and laborthis retard thinks ethical consumption exists lol
>>2853953> The assets were eventually seized on October 13, 1307 Philip IV rounded them up and tortured them into giving confessions lol
>>2853958>if you're not an exploiter you're poor and stupidsociopath alert
>>2853922You view "housing" as an abstract economic object floating in space
For american houses to become as affordable as socialist housing you would have to uproot the entire US infrastructure built on settlerist logic and rebuild it for use rather than accumulation + atomization + speculation + active war against black people and the indigenous
this means you'd have to build p*blic h*sing (illegal under federal law), not that your suburban mcmansion will be even biggerer
>>2853953>the accusations of the Templars being idolaters who worship Baphomet equally apply to the institution as a whole - even barring the later selling of "indulgences" which pissed off LutherNobody worshipped "Baphomet" because such a god did not exist until the 19th century at the earliest. The term "Baphomet" as used by the Templars was just a corruption of Muhammad, who nobody worships either. The idea of Baphomet as some kind of demonic goat entity aligned with Satan is modern fiction
>socialism is when you get rid of suburbs
lol
>>2853967>your suburban mcmansion>yourhmmmmmmm i thought you were talking about society in general, not accusing specific individuals of anything, yet here we are
>>2853966more or less the portion i want to highlight that the reason you are poor is downstream from an economy built around extraction and accumulation, and that there is no way to square the circle anymore to make the economy work for YOU without also emancipating the third world. but the stupid portion is, i believe, a fair judgement from my part, because you're frankly a very stupid person with a child brain.
>>2853976>that there is no way to square the circle anymore to make the economy work for YOU without also emancipating the third worldLiterally nobody here thinks otherwise.
>>2853976So we're all in agreement then that socialism is in our best interests, very good
>>2853977yes the original post was fairly uncontroversial, but people here take personal issue whenever the third world is mentioned, like some sort of kneejerk reaction which is funny.
>>2853979>but people here take personal issue whenever the third world is mentionedNo they don't, they take issue with people who come in and say that McDonald's burger flippers all live in McMansions and drive hummers and bathe in the blood of third world children.
>>2853981>McDonald's burger flippers all live in McMansions and drive hummers and bathe in the blood of third world children.Objectively correct
>>2853979>but people here take personal issue whenever the third world is mentionednot even clse, people are just pointing ouut you are stupid
>>2853983Telling yourself that normies are all treatlers will not get you a cute tankie gf
>>2853873Jack wilimos would like to inform all North Carolinians to stay safe with the heavy heat out there. Also should mr. Wilimos participate in the u.s senate debate in North Carolina? Thank you for answering and have a nice day.
>>2853981how do you go from this
>but the concrete form of this inefficiency is an american taking untold labor hours from the third world and flushing them down the toilet in the form of mcmansions, 10 mpg cars and green lawns in the desertto this
>McDonald's burger flippers all live in McMansions and drive hummers and bathe in the blood of third world children.just curious here
>>2853981Iโm genuinely convinced that the people who keep claiming that are actual dumb suburban kids projecting their petty teenage resentment
>>2853970step 1: promise fat burger landowners that socialism will get them more mcmansions, gas in their trucks will be even cheaper, and they'll get even more treats
step 2: ????
step 3: revolution
^ firstoid praxis
>>2853991NTA but because arguments like the former are constantly used to justify claiming the latter by schizos and trolls ITT
>>2853994^ see? There it is. Theyโve irony poisoned themselves into actually believing this terminally online retardation
>>2853992Why wasn't it burgers or maybe hot dogs?
>>2853916>he actually thinks this is the average burger lifestyle because the internet told him soYou too are not immune to propaganda
>>2853994It's very simple: we lie to them and then stick them all in camps (with fentanyl and McDonald's)
>>2853991the transition happened when the other anon started injecting his posts with accusations like
>your suburban mcmansion honestly the anon who effortposted about mercantilism and knights templar is the only good post ITT so far. I thought we would at least have a laugh about shapiro being a housing kulak
>>2853991Because that's basically what you're arguing. I mean look at the actual statement:
>but the concrete form of this inefficiency is an american taking untold labor hours from the third world and flushing them down the toilet in the form of mcmansions, 10 mpg cars and green lawns in the desertHow is an American worker appropriating labour time from the third world? Are they being paid more than the value they produce? If not then whatever "appropriation" they recieve is in reality just a fraction of their actual output and isn't actually being appropriated at all. McMansions and 10mpg cars? How many Americans do you think live in McMansions? Then of course the intended inference we're supposed to take from this is that American workers are bad and we shouldn't try to organize or radicalize them.
>>2853991>but the concrete form of this inefficiency is an american taking untold labor hours from the third world and flushing them down the toilet in the form of mcmansions, 10 mpg cars and green lawns in the desertyou can't blame the people for engaging in that system, they're beholden to it by corporate and government interests. you can blame them for their mentality, though, for being good little brainwashed god-fearing brown-and-immigrant-hating patriotic-fascist-capitalists. that should be the crux of any critique, and calling people "treatlerites" just smacks of a passive aggressive indignation, that itself implies some desire to take the place of those who have such privilege. unless you're going to tell me that if you were let into america today that you wouldn't somehow succumb to its distractions and become a good little lumpenprole yourself (I don't buy that for a second).
sorry, I don't care one way or another, just sharing my opinion, callin' it like I see it senpai.
>>2853922>>2853923>>2853944The notion that the American bourgeoise pays domestic workers more than the value they produce is absurd but taken for granted in third worldist discourse
>>2854008>you can't blame the people for engaging in that systemThey aren't even engaging in the system in they way that's being described though. How does a first world worker appropriate anything from the third world? The closest you could argue is that super-exploitation in the third world allows for capitalists to exploit first world workers at a lower rate. That's not the same thing as value flowing from the third world worker to the first.
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>>>/leftypol/2853401>>2853990literally who? link?
>>2853998Because we have lost the mandate of heaven
>>2854015A nonexistent "Hoxhaist" candidate that this poster has been consistently trying to vaguely promote for the past few months even though, let me reiterate, this person does not exist. It's yet another case of LARP, though since it doesn't result in large paragraphs of LLM slop we give it a pass I guess
>>2853968"Baphomet" was not just claimed to be a transliteration of Mohammed, but also a decapitated head (which connects to the later legends of 'Johannite' Masons; e.g. Those who worship John the Baptist, who was of course beheaded by Herod).
>The idea of Baphomet as some kind of demonic goat entity aligned with Satan is modern fictionIts earliest attribution that I can find is in Eliphas Levi, who bases his design of Baphomet after the Sabbatic Goat (1854). This design later influences the "Devil Card" in tarot. In Levi's book "The History of Magic" (1860) he sees Baphomet as an astral fluid which gives power to the imagination, synonymous with Lucifer, an "angel of light" who brings darkness if indulged. Thus, Levi sees that all occultists who stray from the Catholic Church will become inflicted by madness and irrationality (believe it or not, but occultism was a Christian movement, all the way back to the writings of Agrippa and paracelsus in the 1530s. Even Rosicrucianism was started by Lutherans in the 1610s, like how the Grand Temple of Masonry in England was obviously protestant (1717). It is only leading into the 20th century (e.g. Crowley's "Age of Horus", 1904) that occultism is internally profaned as Satanic. Steiner writes on its decline (1906):
<Freemasonry, however decadent it is today.https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA093/English/RSP1985/19060102p01.html >>2854012you'll get no argument from me, I'm with you on this one. a great deal of american workers live paycheck to paycheck, own no property, and have to make due without the so-called treats and luxuries that are dream of by the global south, who impose upon their american proletariat counterparts some image of decadence that really only applies to a select few in this country. the middle class has been gutted; less than 10% of americans make more than 100k a year, and that amount isn't what it used to be (100k is the new 50k), so in a lot of ways the state of life in america isn't that much different from what can be found in developing countries.
>>2854018> It's yet another case of LARP, though since it doesn't result in large paragraphs of LLM slop we give it a pass I guessweird. i figured it didn't exist when I googled and found nothing but I thought maybe it was super obscure or something
>>2853916Was this man alive for the last 50 years of down pressure on western wages by all means necessary?
>>2854010>>2854007they have a higher cost of reproduction because of uneven
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>>2853930Yeah this is a terrible idea. Seeing how it's proven that they really can't protect the data from getting stolen in data breaches and they literally sell the information to third-parties. Maybe it would be a good idea to use the dark web from now on or use programs and Operating systems that don't implement age verification.
I think that the only way the politicians will realize that it's a terrible idea is only when their information gets leaked to be used for crimes, identity theft and scams.
>>2853930I'm curious why are the bourgeois so fixated on globally mandated identity verification now of all times? Is there some Palantir connection or something?
>>2854039They realise that they need to control the internet, they can't let anti establishment propaganda keep growing
>>2854039as far as I can tell, it adds to the already functional surveillance apparatus that corporations have established via social media. they think
>shit, these retards willingly gave their sensitive information online to social media companies, in the form of information that isn't incredibly sensitive, but is enough to identify and distinguish them from being anonymous online>so maybe we can tip the playing field and collect even more from themso you go to youtube and want to watch the underachiever's "herb shuttles" music video and are met with a "sign in to your account to view adult content" message, and when you do that, you're met with a verification system that asks you to provide a government issued ID that can then be associated with your account, so that all traffic that passes through that account can be associated with a person.
not only does this provide the corporation with more information that makes it easier to serve you tailor-made content and targeted advertisements, it also is enough sensitive information to identify you and tie the things that you say and support online to an actual verifiable identity, so as to squelch you or impose punishment upon you for any given political position you may or may not espouse. it's one part data collection and one part censorship.
also, youtube recently got fleeced in court because a girl claimed that she became addicted to social media via youtube and suffered negative psychological outcomes as a result, and they really REALLY don't want that to happen again.
>>2854039Futile desperation and greed. They donโt realize itโs too late now.
>>2854039It's predates Palantir and it's the kind of thing almost every status quo find convenient to have in order to manage people.
the problem with Mahkno is that he should have betrayed the red army first
too fearful of power corrupting that you will be removed from it
all politics from the top to the bottom is no different than gangs and gangsterism
your comrades will look you right in the eyes when they betray you, tell you it's due to the material conditions, but really this is just how power works
that's why i get why it happened though, because it's just gangsterism
no different than getting a bunch of shooters to die for the block so the one guy who controls the drug flow can make the bulk of the money
you'd be a fool to think that guy would cut you in for doing the work, he's not gonna cut you in, he's gonna have you killed when the work is done
not hard to imagine a scenerio where anarchist resistance is able to take say, the PNW, and then the MLs order their people to march into the new secured Portland and just kill all the anarchists
if you're an anarchist and not thinking about these things, that's your own foolishness
if you seriously think they'd just let them have their little autonomous region, you're ignoring history
and it's not just anarchists that should be thinking like this, if you're native or a person of color, you'll be put down too if you're not with whatever the settlers want
>>2854056ML settler chads keep winning
>>2854031don't call this number, you will get brainwashed hotline miami style
You know, I am all about left unity and afainat sectarianism or whatever some of you guys are so autistic and such wrecker saboteurs, in a real shtf situation you would be the first people that need to get got. You guys know who you are.
>>2854056But you need to be a gang/gangster, that is who is going to come out on top. Despite what people here believe, having the bestest theory and convoluted critique of capitalism won't actually help you at all in that situation. Really MLs and anarchists are two sides of the same coin. Anarchists want to operate on vibes, MLs want to operate on vibes but with jargon and LARP dressing it up. I'd say anarchists are more just useless and the rabid ML types are actively harmful if they were actually anything but friendless nerds who couldn't organize a bakesale let alone a militant group.
>>2854127Yes, the problem with most anarchists is that they reject power in the name of idealism. They make alliances without understanding the gangsterism of power. The refusal to wield power will see that power wielded against you. That is the nature of the game.
>>2854050explain the relationship between your text and image
>>2854091i'd hope we can at least unite in killing the porkies before breaking down to killing eachother.
>>2854147they'll be in their bunkers in new zealand before the armed workers set foot in their gated communities
>>2854149sounds like an easy target for nukes then
>>2853898China single handedly ended the era of free trade
>>2854180now do shrek taking a bath
>>2854187
I'm fucking dying of laughter
He's back
>>2854190
>In death there is nothing to see but marx, and you will answer to stalin and mao for your pedophillia and deviations
bro communism is not a religion
>>2854209Define favourable references.
Was she saying edgy things to trigger the libs?
Has she done the reading? Is she in proximity with people who have?
>>2854221Pet Peeve but I'm pretty sure Anastasia was Fox, not Disney
>>2854211Israel just received the mandate of Reagan
>>2854263I hope trump succeeds and all the info is stored in a plain text document
>>2854209I would like more like an autopsy like aoc career development. who groomed her into politics, where did she study, who funded her, etc. though past xits are ok, the real issue comes the same way aoc problem came: aoc had to particular set of people who she answers to.
And USA beat Paraguay 4-1 lol.
>>2854301>US beats Paraguay<โLol they arenโt a REAL soccer team. Theyโre mid. America is gonna get fucked when it goes up against Europe!โ>Paraguay beats GermanyโฆFucking Euros on suicide watch.
The KOSA bill was just passed.
dsa should collaborate with the trump administration and stage a coup on democratic party and its leadership and then when the democrats get in power in the house, vote to dissolve the house and create a a new government
bam civil war
>>2854167I am pretty sure it was trump with his sanctions, tariffs and shithead trumpconomics.
China signed the WTO agreements, in Uruguay (the Uruguay Round). they accepted the west's conditions.
>>2854321the WTO is a tool in the hands of the chinese now, evidenced by the fact that america has vetoed every attempted judge appointment since obama after getting unfavorable judgements. The west has long since realized letting china in that org was a mistake, so credit goes to them for ending the free trade era
What is 'ground game' you ask?
Wouldn't you like to know
>>2853873>picrelHate to be a cunt, but Shapiro might have a point here because, if Joseph fucking Stalin himself couldn't stop the farmers from burning their grain for money, what chance does a socdem mayor have of preventing landlords from doing something similar?
>>2854331they don't really need some zionist pedophile to counter to the DSA when they already have a perfectly good counter to the DSA, called the DSA.
>>2854331that would be hilarious and perfectly on brand for how retarded USA politics is. i believe it.
>>2854324>the WTO is a tool in the hands of the chinese nowlmao, wut? the appellate body of the WTO is scrapped by the US regime, sitting empty. no other judge is being appointed because the US regime is blocking any new appointee. you can't sue the US regime for violations of free trade because any decision that can't be solved through the Dispute Settlement Understanding ends nowhere. and the US since 2017 has blocked all new appointees because trump started to lose a string of lawsuit against the tariffs the US regime impossed.
listen buddy, if you are out of your depth, better stay put. if you know jackshit, don't brag about it.
>>2854332he's a moron. lmao. it'll be funny shit when the gas prices increase more and more. and magaturds, and americans in general will believe this moron: it's oil comapnies and gas retailers' fault.
>>2854338>he thinks hes smart cuz hes namedropping random wto instruments that have nothing to do with the convothe whole reason america let in china into the wto is because they assumed it would liberalize the country. it didn't. china instead took control of the global economy and then the wto itself. the STATED REASON why america refused to appoint new judges until trumps tariffs was to protest the deliberate weakening of the yuan which gave china an advantage in export markets. the rules say china can do it because its a developing country, america says its rich enough for the 'developing' label to no longer apply. you don't have a clue what you're talking about, trump keeps attempting to pull out of the wto, something he wouldn't be doing if the org was giving america what it wants
China is also working with the bank of international settlements to create a new digital currency, so the wto is not the only global financial institution serving its interests in de-dollarization
>In September 2021, the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), in collaboration with Thailand, Hong Kong, China, and the UAE, published a report regarding the second phase of the mBridge project, aiming to establish a system involving multiple CBDCs to enable faster, more cost-effective, and efficient methods for conducting cross-border transfers and foreign exchange operations.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBridge >>2854344>trump keeps attempting to pull out of the wtobut he hasn't
>he wouldn't be doing if the org was giving america what it wantsbut it does.
:^)
lemme know how many settlements has lost the US since the last appointee in the appellee body was dissolved, through the Dispute Settlement mechanism, please. in %.
>new judges until trumps tariffs was to protest the deliberate weakening of the yuan which gave china an advantage in export marketsno, it was because trump lost a string of lawsuits for his tariffs. tariffs that would serve to affect other countries beside China. to make this case = is a tool in the hands of the chinese now
it being stupid. on purpose. specially when historically the appellee body granted most of the times (way above 50%) US victories. it's not China who is blocking new appointees. and worst, now you can't make a lawsuit against the US, the whole point of the WTO.
other countries formed a workaround, as long they agree, including the EU, China Canada and many others. EXCEPT THE US.
again.
>you don't have a clue what you're talking aboutprojecting, much?
now, go ask again your AI slop machine to spit out a new 'clever' response.
>>2854273Maybe i'm retarded, but how exactly under communism will land back to Native Americans be done? I can see emptying out like, Wyoming or Montana to allow Natives to live there, but the whole country? I simply don't see 330+ million people being loaded on a boat and going back to Europe/Africa/Asia.
>>2854346ruthless criticism of all that exists
>>2854348There won't be land back under communism
>>2854351Then what is the guy in the video talking about?
>>2854351I will be pushing all land back into the ocean
>>2854348They get real self determination and the same benefits ethnic minorities in China get, that shrimple
>>2854355Thanks. Unlike the other solution, that seems not just plausible to implement, but also extremely desirable to do.
>>2854359I canโt wait to start the white american exile party in the UK and clog up the NHS, itโs gonna be awesome
>>2854351Land back class wise, not blood and soil wise
>>2854351It will be land back under communism.
>>2854366it looks so cheap. like they bought it at one of those chinese imports shops with a bunch of tacky plastic shit.
>>2854356>>2854355legal representation by guaranteed seats in congress and in senate: no less than % percentage must be taken by Aboriginals. they have a special commission inside the congress and senate directed by their own elected Caucasus.
also, one judge (or proportional, whatever is greater) on each body inside the scotus is also from the same communities. they elected by the people, not appointed by congress or the president.
that sounds a liekly plan to start reparations.
>>2854348Pretty much nobody apart from a handful of retarded white Settlersfags wants to deport all the non-Indigenous people. Every single Indigenous activist I've talked to (including Marxist ones) pretty much just want some plots of (mostly uninhabited) land that was promised to them under treaties to be ceded. In addition they typically want their existing claims to be respected, political and cultural autonomy, funding for infrastructure and services, and good faith dealing with the federal government. These are all things that a socialist government should seek to provide out of principle anyways.
>>2854366>golden eagle Nazi imagery>11 stars to represent the 11 confederate states that seceded from the union (not the 13 original colonies like in the majority of American iconography)Not even trying to hide it anymore.
>>2853930>in the name of protecting the childrenthat's their public position. I assume their private position is to protect Israel from TikTok memes against Zionism
>>2853943>third worldism for the gorillionth time>>2854039>why are the bourgeois so fixated on globally mandated identity verification now of all times?the loudest and most insistent proponent of global ID card neoliberalism, Tony Blair, is set on controlling Palestine.
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2025/09/30/tony-blair-s-seat-on-postwar-gaza-has-been-decades-in-the-making >>2854335Seems to me like landlords burning down their own apartments out of spite because they can't raise rent even higher would be horrible optics for them and would be a springboard for Mamdani to push for more public housing.
>>2854372so like whats the kayfabe explanation for the 11 stars? like i know and you know it's about the confederacy but what's the excuse to turn it into a dogwhistle?
>>2854347>WTO panel backs China in case against US clean energy subsidies
>"This panel report highlights what the Trump administration has been saying for years: existing WTO rules are inadequate to address massive and harmful excess capacity in numerous sectors, including in energy technology," the office of the U.S. Trade Representative said in a statement.
>Washington has the right to appeal the decision, but no final ruling would ensue since the WTO's top appeals court is paralyzed.
Retard alert. Go back to r/neoliberal
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/wto-panel-backs-china-case-against-us-clean-energy-subsidies-2026-01-30/ >>28539303 days ago Playstation movie store announced they are removing hundreds of movies out of their movie store. no push back. no lawsuit possible because they were selling 'licenses' not the actual movie, and people agreed to that (similar to netflix, and other similar streaming services, except uniquely Amazon who offers both: the physical and the digital copy) by clicking 'I agree'.
was there any pushback from this?
no. all aboard
technologiaaawill there be a pushback about the KOSA bill?
no! all aboard
tek-o-nologiaaa >>2854375Dogwhistle implies they're trying to be subtle about it.
They're already getting away with everything, they don't need to hide anything anymore.
>>2854376>massive and harmful excess capacity in numerous sectors, including in energy technologythe fuck does that mean
China is doing too well?
>>2854056>no different than gangs and gangsterismbro your entire thing is anarchy, your motto is "be gay do crimes", are you stupid? That's like Jeffrey Epstein saying "I hate pedophiles"
>anarchist resistance is able to take say, the PNW,The PNW has traditionally been controlled by you anti-state libertarian guys:
https://www.kuow.org/stories/why-there-are-so-many-white-supremacists-in-the-northwest>if you seriously think they'd just let them have their little autonomous region, you're ignoring history>f you're native or a person of color, you'll be put down too if you're not with whatever the settlers wantif you look at the statistics, the CHAZ killed more (black) children in its short existence than their also Jewish reddit PMC counterparts in Israel have killed their apartheid racial caste.
The same shockingly high statistics of murders is true of the the Spanish anarchist program
>>2854127>Anarchists want to operate on vibes, MLs want to operate on vibes but with jargonI learn new science everyday, but not from the western left who are all influencers and movie critics who soyface over Zionist film slop
https://scholar.google.com/ >>2854379China is outcompeting everyone on the global market (including energy) because of direct subsidies, yes. (Even though western porky hypocritically indirectly subsidizes its own industry through other means)
>>2854376I asked you how many cases the US has won since the appellee body was dissolved.
>brings in a case that will end in the appellee body.>displays full retard>sends people to r/neoliberal>more projeciton.I am going to answer for you because you keep going around circles:
but this 0 is a victory. always. for various reaons, let's name them:
a) the Dispute Settlement Body rules a decision between two parties, the plaintiff and the defendants, if the DBS favors or not the US regime, then none of the parties can't solve the settlement: if the US wins, the losing party can't appeal the decision because it goes to a limbo, they get no remedy.
if the US losses, the us regime files an appeal, it goes to a limbo, they didn't lose. they get immunity from binding adverse rulings. the us regime has made itself legally unaccountable, and by so, doing trump's bidding: tt can maintain protectionist measures (steel tariffs, "Buy American" rules, green subsidies that might violate WTO rules). etc.
b) when a small country gets rekt, the US has more leverage with a bigger economic power, IMF-world bank control, and large army to bully any other small country. rendering any 'draw' as a victory for the US regime.
c) when the US regime wins ins the DBS, using its powerful media apparatus, with hundreds of
some members of the media (vidrel), they display the win for their masses, and their brownosers outside the US. for instance:
https://www.reuters.com/world/china-calls-washington-bully-wto-trade-disputes-meeting-2023-01-27/Reuters puts the words of the then Deputy United States Trade Representative, Maria Pagan, as final, without giving any harsh criticism to the moves of the US (free trade? free market capitalism? why is the us attacking this? Emma Farge, who writes articles should've asked!, no, she didn't).
tld;dr: keep coping, rarted individual. China doesn't control the WTO.
>>2854383>amerilard cannot comprehend a world where his empire no longer controls global financeMentally stuck in the 90s. Communist China single handedly ended the era of free trade
>>2854385again projecting? I am not a burger. try again.
>>2854387>le projecting!!!!1!1This is the burger thread
>>2854388why the 0 was changed to
"1."?
and why that 1. behaves like a bulletpoint, cant grab it?
holly shit.
>>2854392imagine simping for the yanks
>>2854394there's no simping for the yanks by explicitly showing how the us regime coerces international institutions, even if they created them, and then lose their purpose.
it's a harsh and necessary critique on how things are and
become to be.
the us is simply salty that it cannot enforce that China is treated as a 'developed' nation, because China's only reason to enter the WTO was because it was accepted to be included a self-determination article (2nd, or 3rd) that guarantees that no member is forced to accept a status that it's not acceptable for its real situation.
the us can call itself 'developing nation' if they truly think that China 'uses the WTO' to destroy the free trade, the world economy, etc. if that's too much of a butthurt for they, then.
no? then the US is lying. and China has explained very well why the US pursues the destruction of the WTO as it is, in their 2023 report:
>Since 2017, pursuing โAmerica Firstโ, the U.S. government has adopted a series of unilateralist and protectionist measures against its major trading partners, imposed its own interests over those of other countries, and disrupted the global economic and trade order. The U.S. has also specifically targeted China and constantly provoked frictions between China and the U.S., ignoring the differences in the development stage and economic system of the two countries, as well as the crucial role of China-U.S. economic and trade relations in the worldโs prosperity and stability. The restrictive trade measures taken by the U.S. against China are not good for China, the U.S., or even the rest of the world. In the face of the frictions between China and the U.S., China has always adhered to the principle of multilateralism, actively resolved China-U.S. economic and trade disputes through the multilateral trading system. At the same time, China has been committed to stabilizing China-U.S. economic and trade relations through both bilateral and multilateral dialogues and consultations.the right-wing shitheads started to poke around free trade once it served its useful purpose, and sold to their own retards that they were doing america a favor.
the reality is different, trade protectionism makes things more expensive, and historically, all trade wars end in hot wars, hence the WTO
purpose.
>8 "Antifa" members just got a combined 450 years in federal prison. The prosecution leaned heavily on an "expert" witness who has never spent a day in government or academia - but who spent years at pro-Israel advocacy orgs.
>>2854423remember: trump pardoned J6 fags but demokkkrats will never pardon "antifa terrorists"
>>2854402>the reality is different, trade protectionism makes things more expensive, and historically, all trade wars end in hot warsbut muh nationalism, muh burger first
>>2854366I was listening to a bit from a Matt Christman interview about Gnosticism (reading some Gnostic texts lately) and he mentions a flaw in religious thinking being becoming too obsessed with the metaphor and "chasing the metaphor" as it were. Y'know, people becoming too obsessed with proving in a literal, material sense, that there were two people literally named "Adam and Eve" who were the progenitors of humanity, that you kind of lose the reality of the feeling that these religious texts are attempting to convey. Y'know, it's being more obsessed with the economics of "Jesus fed a crowd with two loaves of bread and a fish" than what he was trying to teach there.
But I'd say with Trump 2 we see something inverted, it's like the metaphor is chasing reality if that makes sense. Just every cliche about completely self-centered and incompetent tyrants coagulate in one man. He gilds everything around him like some fucking parable of King Midas. People close to him have an odd habit of getting cancer. Just everything about him is fucking evil, but people still can't reckon with it. You'll right wingers talk about him as the messiah, and news agencies describing his insane ranting in "sane people speak"
>>2854402>the us is simply salty that it cannot enforce that China is treated as a 'developed' nationThis state of affairs is over. China reclassified themselves under the WTO after Trump's tariffs made the whole problem irrelevant
>SHANGHAI (AP) โ China has said it would no longer seek the special treatment given to developing countries in World Trade Organization agreements โ a change long demanded by the United States.
>Commerce Ministry officials said Wednesday the move was an attempt to boost the global trading system at a time when it is under threat from tariff wars and protectionist moves by individual countries to restrict imports.America can't be the sole orchestrator of the WTO because it's no longer the country of free trade, China is. Therefore over time the org falls under their purview. The era of American dominance in financial institutions ended the moment their globalist free trade policies ended
https://www.reuters.com/world/china-says-it-wont-change-developing-country-status-will-forgo-benefits-2025-09-24/ >>2854556My boss will be chinese, yayyy
>>2854565you could only be so lucky
>>2854556Holy zased. If trots were wrong about entryism, how come the only socialist state in the world is DOMINATING the globe right now via entryism into imperialist institutions? I bet ultras are feeling really fucking stupid right now geeeeeeeeg
>>2854605>bandishonest much? its a small import fee
>>2854606Its 3 euros per item. If you order like for example, 5 packs of batteries of 3 tshirts that's 15 euros and 9 euros respectively. Its not a small amount. It will have a large effect on imports.
And more importantly, its just one of a series of mercantilist measures EU is taking like CBAM, Industrial Accelerator Act etc. The EU was hyprocritically criticizing the US for anti-immigration and mercantilism. Now the EU itself has become very anti-immigrant and mercantilist. Pure hypocrisy
>>2854600HOLY KEK almost every single point of that actually happened. DengGODS won, Ultras have to take their L for all of eternity.
>>2854600I kneel. I am abnegating my ultra infantilism
>>2854600>Teng Hsiao-PingI forgot people were still using Wade Giles in 1979
>the textit is remarkable that China pulled all that off. I can't really fault anyone for being skeptical in the 1970s or even the 1990s.
>>2854624>>2854610>>2854600>stupid ultrasWhom?
>somehow the imperialists are going to aid China in developing an independent and comprehensive industrial baseThis isnโt the dub you think it is. The idea of capitalists de-industrializing in such a manner is honestly still mind boggling to this day.
>>2854678I honestly have no idea how Lenin already told everyone that the Capitalists will sell the rope used to hang them, and then 100 years later every self-professed "Marxist" somehow became absolutely convinced that any trading at all with capitalist countries would automatically destroy socialism.
>>2854678>The idea of capitalists de-industrializing in such a manner is honestly still mind boggling to this day.Not really. Tendency of the rate of profit to fall and superior levels of unionization in the US all the way up to the 1960s incentivized porky to outsource jobs. Those dang treatlerites were getting too much money. Time to outsource their jobs so they can't afford any more of those dang funko pops. It was easy to see neoliberalism from a mile away. It was also easy to see reform and opening up coming from a mile away. War with the imperial core is much riskier than simply voluntarily absorbing their outsourcing.
>>2854600Tbf the idea that the imperialist world would ship all its industry to China and flood the country with capital and investment even while China retained its sovereignty and avoided being drawn into the American orbit went against everything people at the time knew about how capitalist-imperialist economies worked. It was completely unprecedented.
>>2854680>I honestly have no idea how Lenin already told everyone that the Capitalists will sell the rope used to hang them, and then 100 years later every self-professed "Marxist" somehow became absolutely convinced that any trading at all with capitalist countries would automatically destroy socialism.going to start saying this every time this comes up.
>>2854682Deindustralization was one thing, but the really remarkable part was China's ability to absorb all of this investment without compromising their economic and political independence.
>>2854684but western capital also invested in the soviets after the 1929 crash. they were that desperate.
>>2854687People debate whether they compromised their economic and political independence but I will say it is indisputable they played their cards better than the USSR, and they retain a lot more of their independence than the USA would like.
>>2854680I promise you that when Lenin said that he didn't have anything like modern China in mind. The whole story of China's post-reform industrialization goes directly against the basic premises of Lenin's theory of imperialism, which is that imperialist countries actively seek to stunt the development of peripheral ones and prevent them from developing. Trade is one thing, but the US dismantling its own industry and sending it overseas is another.
>>2854688Not exactly. Iirc there was some very minor investment but generally the Soviets just hired Western technicians to help them set up an industrial base. It's not really comparable to the scale of US investment in China or the simultaneous dismantling of their own industry.
>>2854680>I honestly have no idea how Lenin already told everyone that the Capitalists will sell the rope used to hang them<and then 100 years later every self-professed "Marxist" somehow became absolutely convinced that any trading at all with capitalist countries would automatically destroy socialism.What
>>2854553Americans are fat and eat burger
Americans are also skinny and listen to podcast
I say this and look like this
>>2854692Itโs because they knew eventually all those socdem collaborationist keynesian unions would eventually be forced by their membership into open conflict with ownership, China offering to scab saved capitalism in the short term, and western workers at the time hated east asians anyway
More amerikkkans should follow in the footsteps of Eliaz Rodriguez and liquidate zionists.
>>2854698That passage just confirms what I said though. It talks about Western technical experts being on loan to the USSR, not Western companies setting up shop there and reaping dividends from Soviet production.
>>2854685>>2854680He also said:
>The New Economic Policy means substituting a tax for the requisitioning of food; it means reverting to capitalism to a considerable extentโto what extent we do not know. Concessions to foreign capitalists (true, only very few have been accepted, especially when compared with the number we have offered) and leasing enterprises to private capitalists definitely mean restoring capitalism, and this is part and parcel of the New Economic Policy; for the abolition of the surplus-food appropriation system means allowing the peasants to trade freely in their surplus agricultural produce, in whatever is left over after the tax is collectedโand the tax~ takes only a small share of that produce. The peasants constitute a huge section of our population and of our entire economy, and that is why capitalism must grow out of this soil of free trading.
>On the other hand, if capitalism gains by it, industrial production will grow, and the proletariat will grow too. The capitalists will gain from our policy and will create an industrial proletariat, which in our country, owing to the war and to the desperate poverty and ruin, has become declassed, i. e., dislodged from its class groove, and has ceased to exist as a proletariat. The proletariat is the class which is engaged in the production of material values in large-scale capitalist industry. Since large-scale capitalist industry has been destroyed, since the factories are at a standstill, the proletariat has disappeared. It has sometimes figured in statistics, but it has not been held together economically.
>The restoration of capitalism would mean the restoration of a proletarian class engaged in the production of socially useful material values in big factories employing machinery, and not in profiteering, not in making cigarette-lighters for sale, and in other โworkโ which is not very useful, but which is inevitable when our industry is in a state of ruin.
>The whole question is who will take the lead. We must face this issue squarelyโwho will come out on top? Either the capitalists succeed in organising firstโin which case they will drive out the Communists and that will be the end of it. Or the proletarian state power, with the support of the peasantry, will prove capable of keeping a proper rein on those gentlemen, the capitalists, so as to direct capitalism along state channels and to create a capitalism that will be subordinate to the state and serve the state. The question must be put soberly. All this ideology, all these arguments about political liberties that we hear so much of, especially among Russian รmigrรs, in Russia No. 2, where scores of daily newspapers published by all the political parties extol these liberties in every key and every mannerโall these are mere talk, mere phrase-mongering. We must learn to ignore this phrase mongering.
<Get down to business, all of you! You will have capitalists beside you, including foreign capitalists, concessionaires and leaseholders. They will squeeze profits out of you amounting to hundreds per cent; they will enrich themselves, operating alongside of you. Let them. Meanwhile you will learn from them the business of running the economy, and only when you do that will you be able to build up a communist republic. Since we must necessarily learn quickly, any slackness in this respect is a serious crime. And we must undergo this training, this severe, stern and sometimes even cruel training, because we have no other way out.
<You must remember that our Soviet land is impoverished after many years of trial and suffering, and has no socialist France or socialist England as neighbours which could help us with their highly developed technology and their highly developed industry. Bear that in mind! We must remember that at present all their highly developed technology and their highly developed industry belong to the capitalists, who are fighting us.
<Owing to the present circumstances the whole world is developing faster than we are. While developing, the capitalist world is directing all its forces against us. That is how the matter stands! That is why we must devote special attention to this struggle.
<Owing to our cultural backwardness we cannot crush capitalism by a frontal attack. Had we been on a different cultural level we could have approached the problem more directly; perhaps other countries will do it in this way when their turn comes to build their communist republics. But we cannot do it in the direct way.
>We had deserters from the army, and also from the labour front. We must say that in the past you worked for the benefit of the capitalists, of the exploiters, and of course you did not do your best. But now you are working for yourselves, for the workersโ and peasantsโ state. Remember that the question at issue is whether we shall be able to work for ourselves, for if we cannot, I repeat, our Republic will perish. And we say, as we said in the army. that either those who want to cause our destruction must perish, or we must adopt the sternest disciplinary measures and thereby save our countryโand our Republic will live. >>2854699Scabbing is trade unionist term. Marx calls it the reserve army of labor because it operates as a global feature of the mode of production, regardless of the local success at tarring and feathering scabs.
>>2854705I was more taking issue with the word "minor" not implying it was some kind of imperialist plundering of the USSR. That would come later. In fact I'm trying to contrast the plunder of the 1990s with the foreign direct investment of the 1930s. People compare Deng's reforms to the latter but really it ought to be compared to the former. Trading and signing contracts with the capitalists didn't destroy the USSR, it is part of what enabled them to win WW2.
>>2854707You canโt tar and feather scabs when theyโre in China and youโre in America. Luckily they wonโt be able to do this again because there are no more big untapped labor markets and every country has a falling birthrate, soon even the DRC will fall below replacement level. How committed the CPC is to replacing market mechanisms will depend on the outcome of class struggle within that party.
>>2854709>People compare Deng's reforms to the latter but really it ought to be compared to the former.fuck I got my latter and former backwards
>>2854710>You canโt tar and feather scabs when theyโre in China and youโre in America.Yes
>How committed the CPC is to replacing market mechanisms will depend on the outcome of class struggle within that party.We'll see
>Luckily they wonโt be able to do this again because there are no more big untapped labor markets and every country has a falling birthrate, soon even the *PRC will fall below replacement level. Not sure what fertility rate and replacement level has to do with this. There are countries in Africa much poorer and more exploited than the USA and PRC where women have many more children on average. Fertility rate these days is more a reflection of whether a given country has sex education, abortion, birth control, contraceptives, and whether women are expected to have careers before starting a family.
>>2854714>Fertility rate these days is more a reflection of whether a given country has sex education, abortion, birth control, contraceptives, and whether women are expected to have careers before starting a family.Money
>>2854715Money, partly, but also culture. We're still a rich country but we've gone backwards on this issue somewhat because reactionaries lashed out at modernity as they tend to do.
>>2854716>partlyMajorly
Primarily
Most critically
>>2854716Urbanization will always give you a low fertility genderless gay culture because culture is ultimately downstream from economics, gender makes sense when you live on a farm and each child is labor you donโt have to do
>>2854719the soviets were living in very poor conditions with a huge rural peasantry when abortion was first legalized under lenin. stalin would later criminalize it again when the country was much more developed. so i think it depends on a lot of factors.
>>2854722>think it depends on a lot of factorsMoney, and high price tags.
>>2854722Stalin also reversed the party attitude on alcohol, all politics is the regulation of libidinal energies in one direction or another
>>2854708The USSR didn't really industrialize until after the NEP ended. We're talking about the rapid industrialization under Stalin, which was done with Western know-how but not Western direct investment like in China.
>>2854726abortion is not really an expensive procedure, and the ancient Romans had a plant they used as a contraceptive which was usedto extinction. Unripe papaya has a tendency to cause miscarriages. It really is not necessary for abortion, birth control, and contraceptive to be expensive, even in the poorest countries. The barrier at this point is largely in the superstructure, not the base. We have overcome the production limitations. What limits us now is "you will live in ze kitchen and carry ze baby"
>>2854730Maybe they should've stuck with Lenin's plan and they'd still be here. Deng is the real Leninist.
>>2854733man got himself a big white bitch
Free chagos archipelago from american imperialism
>>2854734They would be dead and the survivors would be speaking German. The Soviets industrialized faster than China did, and China was only able to do so because of very specific conditions at the time. Western economies were stagnating and needed a new source of cheap labour, the turn towards neoliberalism and financialization made physical industry less important to American capitalists, the geopolitics of the late Cold War (the US-Chinese alliance against the USSR) made such an economic relationship politically viable, and the end of the Cold War reduced the incentive to maintain large domestic industry that could be converted to military use. None of these factors were present in the 1920s and 30s. The USSR was only able to develop as rapidly as it did because of its command economic model.
>>2854740You know, the proof is in the pudding, the USSR never reached parity with the West, China still hasn't either thus everything Lenin said still holds true.
hot take but socialism doesn't require destroying the concept of the family. engels was wrong and gay. european philosophers have been seemingly obsessed with "destroying the family" since before communism had ever been conceptualized because idk they hated their parents and loved having orgies or something. it just doesn't work anywhere else in the world, in fact it isn't even a conversation topic anywhere else in the world. in east asia or south america socialism is synonymous with strong familial bonds and a strong sense of community belonging.
there's probably some truth to the idea you can't have socialism without a sense of national identity and unity, just because every successful socialist country had a seemingly strong sense of identity and culture that motivated the citizenry to reject American imperialism when it came knocking at their door. this isn't me shilling natsocs but the whole cosmopolitan "kill your parents do drugs suck all the dicks" emotionally hedonist socialism of europeans just always felt like the "enlightened internet atheist" wave in the 00's and 10's. it's kind of played out and just seems immature.
maybe i'm wrong tho but anecdotally the non-european socialists are way more enjoyable to be around lol.
>>2854732>abortion is not really an expensive procedureThe procedures for living certainly are
>>2854743doesn't require it. but it will as a consequence. anyway stfu go make a separate thread for your bait . you transparent crypto fascist baiting chud. kill yourself. don't reply.
>>2854745>anyway stfu go make a separate thread for your bait . you transparent crypto fascist baiting chud. kill yourself. don't reply.what?
What are anti-Dengists arguing for? Going back to the halcyon days of the Cultural Revolution and shit? Are we denying that China has developed massively since Deng?
>>2854744not really. there's this idea that if your abortion isn't expensive it's a coathanger abortion. that's not really the case. Cuba is a very poor country and produces more trained doctors per capital than the USA. also read the rest of the post. i feel like you're just looking for gotchas and zingers and not really having a dialogue anymore.
>>2854742That doesn't follow at all. It's like saying that because wearing a sweater properly regulates your body temperature when you're cold, it will always regulate your temperature and you should wear it all the time regardless of the weather. They were dealing with entirely different conditions. Different countries at different times in different political situations. China's success was a result of them applying specific policies to a unique set of conditions which didn't exist when the USSR was in its early days. In fact when the Soviets tried to implement similar policies in the 80s it literally destroyed the country.
>>2854748>not reallyReally
>there's this idea that if your abortion isn't expensive it's a coathanger abortionIโm not talking about that idea
>Cuba is a very poor country and produces more trained doctors per capital than the USAThe USA has a habit of shooting itself in the foot
>>2854743>>2854746Engels was never anti-family, read a book uynghar.
>>2854751It was Chinaโs reward for taking the US side during the vast majority of the cold war, essentially being eastern Trotskyites, they played their hand well but it was also entirely cynical.
>>2854751You didn't even respond to what I said, they never reached parity with the west. They were still way behind. In China the Communist Party is still in power and they're slowly accumulating all the technology and no how they don't have yet from the West. Really you guys need to stop trying to sell this narrative that the USSR was just a sci-fi utopia and they failed because they didn't soviet hard enough.
>>2854754He was anti bourgeois family and anti feudal, the only definition of family that makes sense is in the Cuban family code, a group of people that love and support each other
>>2854756My point is simply that if the USSR had done an eternal NEP it wouldn't have helped. It worked for China because they were at the right place and the right time. All things considered I don't think anything could have saved the Soviets apart from some geopolitical changes like a German revolution or avoiding the Sino-Soviet split. Or possibly successful implementation of cybernetics.
>>2854756>>2854760I'll also add that while I'm willing to accept the notion that China's current policies are simply a stage in a long process of socialist construction, that still remains to be confirmed. Until they successfully return to a planned economy it remains uncertain whether they will ultimately succumb to the influence of their own capitalist class. In that case the revolution would have been killed even if the state remains intact.
>>2854760How would they implement cybernetics when their computer technology was so far behind? Now China is close to matching the West in EUV lithography and etc.
I don't think it's that useful to speculate on what ifs, but maybe if they didn't play their part in the Cold War, just like China refuses to play its part in the Cold War America is trying to fabricate then they could've taken the same approach China has.
>>2854716>Money, partly, but also culturefertility rate has more to do with material conditions. can you explain why India and Bangladesh, richer much not much more culturally advanced, have negative birthrates? birth rates are a direct consequence of industrialization, and over time, as more countries industrialize, the threshold needed to reach negative birthrates is also dropping, which explains why even relatively poor countries are facing demographic crises now. the other poster is right, as china develops africa their fertility will plunge the fastest in history
>>2854765Like I said earlier and Mao said, the party itself is also a site of class struggle. Demcent does not mean there arenโt factions in the party, only that theyโre not allowed to wreck the party for the sake of their faction.
>>2854767*can you explain why India and Bangladesh, richer but not much more culturally advanced than africa, have negative birthrates?
>>2854769Nta but itโs the spread of the cell phone, itโs literally always more convenient to jerk off than to meet up with people and fuck, especially when everyoneโs afraid of getting recorded doing cringe
>>2854764Sure, it remains to be seen. That's there official plan you can read about is to reach parity in standard of living with the West first. At the point they have parity in technology with the West, then the need for the West disappears. Western sanctions won't matter at all anymore.
>>2854770birthrates have been dropping for over a hundred years in the west, anon. its not a development brought on by a single piece of new technology
>>2854771Also depends on if BRI members betray the Chinese state after industrialization is complete and theyโre ready to compete as their own imperial actors, I could see it happening in Southern or Western Africa, Nigeria is almost the size of the US by itself
>>2854765>just like China refuses to play its part in the Cold War America is trying to fabricateHonestly if there's anything that's going to get then killed its probably that. If one side is determined to attack you it doesn't help to simply not engage them, it just means they'll be able to strike at you without resistance. Thus far they've only been saved by the fact that the Americans have been retarded by forcing Russia and China together and waging unwinnable wars in the Middle East.
>>2854757I think there's a reasonable point to be made that for the vast majority of people "family" is their immediate biological relatives and maybe their co-workers or school peers or romantic partner. We should base family policy on what applies to 99% of people and work backwards from that, trying to fill in the gaps for the remaining people who don't have that by giving them more attention in terms of policy and programs.
Also, I deserve a government assigned >gf.
>>2854773Itโs also because a child to a peasant is free labor on the farm after 5 years, a child to a proletarian is an expensive pet for 30 years then you hope and pray that theyโll be committed to taking care of you when you retire. It makes no economic sense.
Costs change. What was once the economic meta is no longer the economic meta. Kids were being born in large batches due to higher mortality rates. When industrialization came around, those rates were lowered, but the proletariat was saddled with the costs for societal reduction of those rates. This has become true overtime.
>>2854779it also makes no economic sense to go out drinking, eat mcdonalds, smoke weed/cigs, buy designer clothes, or spend any amount of time on social media but people do it anyway.
most people's day to day decisions are not based on economics. its more likely they just don't enjoy the idea of parenting regardless of whether they can afford it. if it was like all those other things that they can't afford they'd just do it anyway.
>>2854782Itโs not just mortality rates, why would I have a kid when itโs millions and millions of dollars when thereโs no economic benefit
>>2854783The costs of having a child in America are the equivalent of taking up dangerous game hunting
shrinking global population = less consumption = skyrocketing labor prices = capitalist crises = imperialist war = socialist revolution
the most revolutionary act someone can do is refuse to start a family
Whelp, supreme court officially ruled that Title IX protections dont apply to trans women and they cant play in women's sports. Shit's fucked yo
>>2854786>the most revolutionary act someone can do is refuse to start a familywell capital will try to roll back reproductive rights for women for this reason.
>>2854787Materialist reason why americans have transhumanist derangement syndrome ?
>>2854789Conservative men insecure in their attraction to trans women, also the idea that you can choose or have a choice in your gender is threatening to their own masculinity
>>2854775>Honestly if there's anything that's going to get then killed its probably that. If one side is determined to attack you it doesn't help to simply not engage them, it just means they'll be able to strike at you without resistance. Thus far they've only been saved by the fact that the Americans have been retarded by forcing Russia and China together and waging unwinnable wars in the Middle East.Different anon, Chinas strategic patience and focusing on becoming the economic center of the global economy has done nothing but pay dividends. My only criticism is they still having fully capitalized on the moment.
>>2854773Do birth rates even matter? The "demographic" crisis is one that only concerns reactionaries and capitalist. Global population is still ticking up, automation is still increasing. Do we need to max out earths carrying capacity? A global socialist economy wouldn't need a massive reserve army of labor. The only reason the likes of Elon musk and other silicon fascist care about birth rates. They want an endless stream of cheap labor to prop up their bullshit enterprises.
>>2854786>the most revolutionary act someone can do is refuse to start a familyhow will you fight against the capitalists without soldiers?
they already replaced you. they replaced you with immigrants and AI and robots. they don't need your kids. you aren't rebelling against the system by refusing to breed. you're just making it easier for them to kill you.
>>2854795Politics aren't genetic, every recent white nationalist project to create some breeding cult has ended in disaster. We need to organize the working class not become communist mormons.
>>2854794Birthrates matter for the bourgeois because they need as large a scab army as possible for labor discipline, they matter to working people because people generally would prefer to be around their families as they get old and die instead of in a nursing home where everything is impersonal even without the elder abuse
>>2854787We already segregate sports by young/old, male/female, able/disabled, steroids/no steroids… why not just add trans/cis split in there? Let trans women have a trans woman league. let trans men have a trans men league. I suppose outing trans people is the problem here since they are discriminated against… but I can't think of a better solution. Trans women do tend to be stronger than cis women for biological reasons, and trans men do tend to be weaker than cis men for biological reasons. There is a difference in muscle density, average height, etc. I don't think it's transphobic to point that out.
More philosophically… the real problem with sports seems to be that anything which can be measured as a parameter can be seen as an "unfair advantage." but isn't the whole point of sports to ignore those parameters and just let people compete? So I guess the split is between whether you want to divide sports up based on a person's characteristics… or if you want everyone to play together. If we don't segregate sports further, then why not just let men compete against women, young compete against old, steroids compete against non steroids?
I don't know how to solve the sports questions because I don't really care about sports. I'm more into personal fitness. I only compete with myself.
>>2854799>The PRC can educate their entire populace into Marxists>But I can't educate my children into Marxists because uhhhh politics aren't genetic teaching is too hard!!sounds like a skill issue tbqh. spend more time with your kids.
>>2854796>Nah. The US is too afraid to invade Iran even. The US will never get into a hot war with Chinafor a few years the idea was to start a proxy war using either Taiwan, or the ETIM extremists in Xinjiang. Both failed. Taiwan now has a KMT leader who is pro-reunification. Xinjiang's ETIM issue has been largely fixed through the deradicalization programs which the US cried was "genocide of uyghurs" even as they were helping israel bomb palestine after 20 years of GWOT.
>>2854803>The PRC can educate their entire populace into Marxistsanon, I….
>>2854801> they matter to working people because people generally would prefer to be around their families as they get old and die instead of in a nursing home where everything is impersonal even without the elder abuseThe future is going to either be a day of the pillow or a the reserve army of labor being put to use to take care of the much larger older populations. Like a WPA for nursing homes.
>>2854802Honestly it should just be decided by sports leagues. It's embarrassing the government is even involved in this shit.
>>2854803You know how many marxist's kids went on to be neo-liberalisms strongest soldiers? Yeah you can teach them Marxism but it won't make them one inherently. Theres also a massive difference between a state that sets the educational standard and being a parent instilling values.
>>2854803NTA, but I think both things can be true at once. I have a kid so I can speak from experience. Some things my kid picked up from me. other things my kid is very different from me and will never see eye to eye even if they perfectly understand my perspective and learned everything they could. Also all communication is two way. You can tell a kid something a million times but if they don't want to hear it they aren't going to absorb it. You can't beat it into them either. That only damages your relationship and makes permanent estrangement more likely. At the end of the day what determines political alignment is largely class, first, and identity, second. A person will have working class interests if they are working class. Sure there are "champagne socialists" and class traitors, but those are statistically not the norm. Similarly people will defend their national and identitarian interests even if they are not as important as their class interests. You can try to educate this out of them and to an extent that will have an effect, but they have to want to listen. Simply preaching at them won't result in them absorbing it. This is true whether it's your kid or just a stranger.
>>2854794>Global population is still ticking upin the places where capitalism is largely absent. take out africa and global population is decreasing
>Do we need to max out earths carrying capacity?a myth
I dont really care about the human population issue outside of its relevance in being one of the many reasons why the rate of profit is declining. whether humanity has a billion or a hundred billion it doesn't exactly matter
something to think about: since every society on earth faces this issue theres competition now to be the first to solve it in a societal way. long term it would be a disaster if one society like fascist america solved it. do you want to live in a shrinking world minus the american population breeding like rabbits? i dont
>>2854802>Let trans women have a trans woman league. let trans men have a trans men league.this has been tried but no one wants to play in those leagues because trans people insist on being allowed into the cis leagues since thats where all the viewership and recognition comes from.
personally I always found the "trans athletes" thing to be an extremely retarded issue of liberal entitlement. literally who gives a fuck about athletes? they aren't important. they're entertainers lmao. it genuinely does not matter what the policy is whether it's allowing trans athletes or segregating them to their own league or banning them outright. it won't impact the lives of 99.9% of trans people if some private sports league doesn't want them in its private club. it's like being mad at country clubs being full of racist white guys. just start your own country club if you care so much. or don't. I'd much rather burn it all down.
>>2854784Legacy, influence, support structure
>>2854795since the exploiters are a smaller group the birthrate issue hits them the hardest. the exploited have an advantage here
>>2854794>Chinas strategic patience and focusing on becoming the economic center of the global economy has done nothing but pay dividendsAgain, I think this is more a function of American incompetence than anything else. They reacted too slowly, and when they finally did start to take the threat seriously they handled it poorly. If for example, they had pursued a conciliatory approach with Russia (e.g. let them into NATO) and continued with the JCPOA, this would have isolated China. If they had avoided unnecessary wars in the Middle East they could have preserved greater resources and prestige. This would have made strangling China by keeping a tighter leash on potential trading partners in the third world much easier, and frankly China's conflict averse tendencies probably would have led to them accepting a junior position in world affairs indefinitely. As things stand the Americans have overstretched themselves and forced their enemies into a united bloc, while simultaneously throwing their own alliance into chaos with Trump's shenanigans.
>>2854796It's not an issue of a hot war, but of strangulation through proxy conflict. It's worth noting that the Americans successfully executed a similar strategy against the USSR by using regime change to break up the Non-Aligned Movement, of which I would consider BRICS a modern incarnation. They've had some success here in removing anti-imperialist governments in Syria and Venezuela, but they've been limited by incompetence and arrogance. China is lucky the Americans are such dipshits. But I don't think they can rely on this forever, they should assume that one day the actually competent managers of empire like Brzezinski or Kissinger will make a comeback. At some point they will need to develop a response for when the CIA removes the government of some BRI country and replaces it with one that takes out 50 IMF loans.
>>2854808>Honestly it should just be decided by sports leagues. It's embarrassing the government is even involved in this shit. well sports leagues are legal entities, their operations are decided according to common law, and common law is decided by the government. Unfortunately government is involved in everything, and even if you destroyed the government, there would still be entities practicing governance as a verb, and they would become the state.
>>2854812>they aren't important. they're entertainers lmaothis is a separate issue entirely but I remind you that entertainers are not to be underestimated. Two of the biggest slave revolts in human history were started by enslaved entertainers. The first servile war in Rome was started by Eunus, an enslaved entertainer who practiced fire breathing tricks. He used his magic tricks and charisma to get an army of enslaved workers and soldiers to follow him in a rampage across Sicily which it took several legions from mainland Italy to put down. Spartacus was also an enslaved entertainer and athlete, a gladiator. Do not underestimate the aggrieved entertainer!
>>2854810You're completely right but I'd also like to add that an element of educating/indoctrinating someone is finding what is important to them and somehow relating it to your position. This varies heavily from person to person. This is why despite Marxism being an inherently internationalist ideology every Marxist nation has had a lot of weird rightoid patriotic/nationalist tendencies. By appealing to the people with "rightoid brain" in your country and framing being a Marxist as "serving your country/motherland/etc" you can convince them to die for Marxism instead of dying for Fascism because really what they worship is not ideology but the sense of "tearing down your enemies in defense of your in-group" as that is how their brain is oriented.
I don't think you can convince every child to be a Marxist but I think you can get close to a 90% success rate by just using the right rhetoric. I mean you could even have Marxist billionaires by appealing to their innate greed and molding it towards your cause like in China. People are pretty malleable if you know what buttons to push. Just don't overdo it and make them hate you.
>>2854815The exploiters like Elon Musk are having like 20 kids with 15 different women. Trump officially has like 5 kids, probably dozens unaccounted for. These people are not the ones failing to have kids.
>>2854816>Again, I think this is more a function of American incompetence than anything else. They reacted too slowly,The time to do something was decades ago.
Like I said before, once they have gained the lead in development sanctions wouldn't even matter if they could be implemented. But even where we are at now, the US has no power to sanction China effectively. There is no way they could get the Western Bloc to cutoff China let alone the whole world. China doesn't need any allies, they have customers.
>>2854824can we do to the boomers what pol pot did to people with glasses?
like just imagine how affordable life would be if everyone over 65 were dead. you'd be able to afford a house for like under 100k. we'd be able to replace social security with a national ubi from the massive surplus of taxes from young people actually being able to afford shit. florida might finally sink into the ocean.
>>2854823That still doesn't change the fact that the Americans can still regime change those customers and bring them back into the Western fold.
>>2854824COVID didnโt remove enough of them
>>2854816>If for example, they had pursued a conciliatory approach with Russia (e.g. let them into NATO) and continued with the JCPOA, this would have isolated China. If they had avoided unnecessary wars in the Middle East they could have preserved greater resources and prestige. This would have made strangling China by keeping a tighter leash on potential trading partners in the third world much easier, and frankly China's conflict averse tendencies probably would have led to them accepting a junior position in world affairs indefinitely. As things stand the Americans have overstretched themselves and forced their enemies into a united bloc, while simultaneously throwing their own alliance into chaos with Trump's shenanigans. Fair enough, you're prolly right if say Hillary won in 2016 the slow steady march of global strangulation that Clinton/Obama we're pursuing would have fucked over China and we wouldnt see the current rise they are experiencing now. They still would be on the up and up but way more isolated internationally. I disagree we got to worry about another kissenger in our life time though. All the fuck ups, especially the most recent iran debacle is creating a generation of Americans wholly uninterested in empire. They neo-libs aren't making a comeback. The future is either going to be an american left that finally breaks into power or a rapidly declining fascist rump state that will terrorize the American continents for a few decades.
>>2854824>>2854827what's pathetic is that if you don't solve this issue now, it will become a sort of generational entitlement
"WELL I TOOK CARE OF MY MEE MAW AND PEP PEP AND THAT WASNT FAIR WHEN I WAS YOUNG SO MY GRANDCHILDREN SHOULD HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF ME AND PAY ME TAXES"
as someone who takes care of senile elders and buys groceries for them (they eat like SHIT btw no matter how much healthy food I buy them they insist on chips and cookies, and they're diabetic) I can already feel myself trying not to chud out when I get old.
Old people shouldn't be made to fend for themselves without a support network, but they shouldn't have their garbage politics and consumption habits catered to either.
>>2854845Speaking of the generation thing and food, I haven't heard it talked about too much, but there was like a big health food wave in the 70s, because of all that hippy, new age, consciousness raising all that. I've heard Gen-Xers complain about that sometimes and how they rebelled against their parents forcing them to eat kale and wheat grass. Ungrateful bastards, I wish I was raised on a better diet.
https://www.reddit.com/r/1970s/comments/14qk3tf/did_anyone_else_have_health_food_parents_in_the/I was raised on Poptarts and Cheez Whiz.
>>2854824My thirdie shithole country is headed towards demographic collapse and I hope it ends the elder worship culture we have. I hope boomers are seen as the liabilities they are, unfortunately I too will become a booner by the time that happens.
>>2854838>I disagree we got to worry about another kissenger in our life time thoughIdk if we'll see one or not, but I don't think it's smart to just assume your enemies will be retarded forever.
>>2854812>personally I always found the "trans athletes" thing to be an extremely retarded issue of liberal entitlement. literally who gives a fuck about athletes? they aren't important. they're entertainers lmao.This is my view. I don't think trans people should be ride-or-die on this (mainly for tactical reasons), but sports are pretty stupid if you think about it and I don't give a fuck. Let boys and girls and trans boys and trans girls all play in the same league for all I care. I can enjoy a game, but "sports" people really get up on some competitive tribalistic monke shit. The parents of junior sports also barrel around and are like BLURR THIS IS MY KID'S FUTURE and get into fights with other parents at the games and/or the coaches. It turns into a big brawl. It's like, no, it's not your stupid kid's future, for 99% of them it's basically a fitness program and only a tiny number will go on to become professional athletes, and most of them will suck and get cut with some debilitating injury and left out to dry. (I have a cousin who played in the MLB and holy shit he's in bad shape, you've never heard of him.)
>>2854818>this is a separate issue entirely but I remind you that entertainers are not to be underestimated … Spartacus was also an enslaved entertainer and athlete, a gladiator. Do not underestimate the aggrieved entertainer!Hmm that's an interesting point but he was also a gladiator and they chopped people up for entertainment like Russel Crowe in that movie. It was basically like warfare. Maybe we can bring back gladiatorial games.
>>2854856>>2854812>>2854802>>2854787Trans hysteria aside the real reason for the trans sports legislation is incursion of government regulation into private leagues and associations. All you dumb motherfuckers are getting duped into not challenging the US government infringing basic rights of free association because you are more focused on the academic question of transness instead of who gets to even make decisions about matters like this.
>>2854860Well it's about sports in public schools, right? These are not private leagues.
>>2854860the government has always been involved in matters of regulating entertainment tho. this isn't a new thing at all.
>>2854863wouldn't you be able to confirm biological sex through a simple dna swab?
>>2854864>wouldn't you be able to confirm biological sex through a simple dna swab?"simple dna swab" like the equipment for that is just in every school
>>2854865your sex would be part of your medical record tho. just send kids home with a consent form for the school to access their medical record if they want to play sports. seems like a simple enough solution without having to sexually assault kids like rightoids fantasize about.
if this solution isn't possible then just have their primary care physician administer a dna swab for the purposes of confirming their sex and email it to the school. again no need for invasive pedo shit so I'm sure the christfags will be disappointed.
The point of the culture war sports shit is to convince people to enroll in private schools and to segregate the public, to kill public schools
>>2854872it's the primary threat to the future of humanity
>the bourgeois already blatantly showing how much power they have over a feckless socdem by flexing the reactionary actions they can take
<this is just like the kulaks guys!
The politics of cuckholdry at work..
Zohran
>>2854704Utter SR nonsense. Read Lenin:
>Nor does the leaflet eschew the theory of excitative terrorism. โEach time a hero engages in single combat, this arouses in us all a spirit of struggle and courage,โ we are told. But we know from the past and see in the present that only new forms of the mass movement or the awakening of new sections of the masses to independent struggle really rouses a spirit of struggle and courage in all. Single combat however, inasmuch as it remains single combat waged by the Balmashovs, has the immediate effect of simply creating a short-lived sensation, while indirectly it even leads to apathy and passive waiting for the next bout. We are further assured that โevery flash of terrorism lights up the mind,โ which, unfortunately, we have not noticed to be the case with the terrorism-preaching party of the Socialist-Revolutionaries. We are presented with the theory of big work and petty work. โLet not those who have greater strength, greater opportunities and resolution rest content with petty [!] work; let them find and devote themselves to a big causeโthe propaganda of terrorism among the masses [!], the preparation of the intricate… [the theory of elusiveness is already forgotten!]… terrorist ventures." How amazingly clever this is in all truth: to sacrifice the Life of a revolutionary for the sake of wreaking vengeance on the scoundrel Sipyagin, who is then replaced by the scoundrel Plehveโthat is big work. But to prepare, for instance, the masses for an armed demonstrationโthat is petty work.You are a reactionary, which makes sense knowing you're also a nationalist
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1902/sep/01.htm >>2854829the USA is now preventing free markets in the name of saving capitalism, while China is protecting free markets in the name of building Socialism. It's dialectical you see.
>>2854852Retarded genpol. What happened to
<no idpol here?
>>2854893this place got flooded by polyps and retards and so we discuss idpol and incelshit
>>2854898good for danville.
what happened to that mans torso?
>>2854898Those are made from the bones of the third world
>>2854908Mamdani do be winning THOUGH
>>2854908im voting 4 congresswoman forehead
Few DSA's will win high profile positions proximate to power.
They'll be whittled down through behind the scenes stuff, offers, comprises, the comfort of their position. The rest will be politically isolated. The political and media machines of the established political apparatus will utterly demonize and attack the party until it's no longer viable.
Am i on the right track?
>>2854913me personally i'm ultra voting
>>2854915get a load of this tankie ultra third worldist smh
>>2854915We will never know if we don't voooooote
>>2854898incredible pelvic tilt on this man.
he has my vote
>>2854917Was yakub East African?
So the TradCaths are basically doing another schism.
Pope Leo faces first major crisis of papacy from rebel Catholic group
>Pope Leo XIV has made a last-ditch appeal to a rebel group of traditionalist Catholics who plan to ordain bishops without his approval, saying they will be committing a โsin of extreme gravityโ if they proceed.
>Just over a year into his tenure, Leo is facing the first major challenge of his papacy from the Society of Saint Pius X, a group that rejects reforms made by the Catholic Church in recent decades โ including allowing Mass to be celebrated in languages other than Latin โ and is expected to ordain four bishops on Wednesday at its seminary in รcรดne, Switzerland.
>The ordinations, the pope told them, would be a โschismaticโ act. If they go ahead, the new bishops will be excommunicated, or officially excluded from the sacraments of the church.
<โI plead with you and ask you with all my heart: please turn back!โ the pope wrote in an 11th hour letter to the society, known as the SSPX. โI pray for you, because to tear the seamless garment of Christ is a sin of extreme gravity. May the Lord enlighten your consciences and awaken your hearts.โ
>In Catholic teaching, the link, or communion, between bishops and the pope is a cornerstone of the churchโs unity. Since his election, Pope Leo has made fostering church unity a focus, but the societyโs decision to proceed with the consecration of bishops without the pontiffโs consent will be viewed as a serious violation of church law.
>SSPX has an active presence in the United States, with a headquarters in Missouri and a seminary for training priests in Dillwyn, Virginia. One of the bishops set to be ordained on Wednesday is Father Michael Goldade, who leads that seminary.
>The group was founded in 1970 in Switzerland by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, a French prelate, but five years later was officially suppressed by the Bishop of Fribourg. In 1988 the group ordained four bishops without papal approval, which led to their excommunication.
>At the heart of the splintering from the mainstream church was Lefebvre and his followersโ opposition to church reforms introduced in the 1960s by the Second Vatican Council.
>The โLefebvristsโ do not accept what the council taught on religious freedom, on ecumenism (teaching on other Christian denominations and religions) and reforms to Catholic worship. One of the major reforms at the council was a condemnation of all forms of antisemitism.
>Lefebvrists insist they need to ordain bishops without approval because the Catholic Church is in a โstate of emergencyโ due to what they see as the introduction of liberal and โmodernistโ ideas. The group believes it must prioritize โthe salvation of soulsโ and in recent days issued a 28-page โprofession of Catholic faithโ to โenlighten souls in the face of modern errors.โ
>While the SSPX numbers around 700 priests and 600,000 followers worldwide โ relatively small, given the Roman Catholic Church has 1.4 billion members and around 400,000 priests โ the threat to unity is being taken seriously by the pope.
>Cardinal Blase Cupich of Chicago, who is a close ally of Leo, told CNN that โthe dangerโ is โthe setting up of a parallel structure within the ecclesial body of the church.โ
>He said the pope had issued numerous invitations for the society to reconsider its plans.
<โThey are a small group, however they do misuse the rites of the church when it comes to having bishops ordained,โ the cardinal said. โHe (Leo) is very serious about the issue and thatโs why he has had multiple interventions.โ
>In recent decades, various popes have sought to reconcile with the group and in 2009 Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunications of the four bishops ordained in 1988. However, one of those bishops, Richard Williamson, was later found to have falsely claimed the Nazis did not use gas chambers in the Holocaust and would later be prosecuted and convicted by a German court. He was subsequently expelled from the society.
>While the pope has appealed to the society not to go ahead with the ordinations of bishops, the group is well-advanced with its preparations. A website has been set up detailing four days of events around the ordinations which includes the offer of a 75 Swiss Franc souvenir box of four bottles of wine.
>In his remarks to journalists on June 16, the pope said he was open to dialog but was also aware of the limits as regarded the impending ordinations. โIf they make that choice, I am sorry, but we must move forward,โ he said.
While personally I think there should be more space in modernity for traditional Latin masses, that the cause has been taken up by the most reactionary members of the church and potentially resulting in another schism is unfortunate.
>>2854940Shoulda gone to clown college if you want the big bucks.
>>2854901that's just what people over 75 look like.
>>2854940well would you wanna be one?
>>2854942We have been here before with the whole anti-pope. This new schism will absolutely be funded by the US to split the Catholic Church.
>>2854942Is the trotskysts tendency to split a Christian heritage?
Was looking at the primary in Michigan's 13th district. Shri Thanedar is very likely to lose but I have to point out he is one of the weirder politicians. He immigrated from India and became a millionaire in the pharma business. He joined the DSA (which stupidly endorsed him) and got elected in 2022 in a plurality black district, and got in because the black vote in the primary was split among multiple candidates. Then he went to Israel and became a big Zionist, got kicked out the DSA (that was apparently after acting as Modi's chaperone during a state visit), and then got re-elected in 2024 after AIPAC spent $2.3 million on T.V. ads backing him up (again, his opponents were split). The guy apparently has no beliefs at all really, he's just utterly opportunistic and malleable.
He has pissed off just about everybody. Mostly what he does in Congress now is file useless articles of impeachment against Trump and other Trump cabinet officials, enough that Hakeem Jeffries got fed up with him because that's just fucking dumb since the Republicans control the House. He also got the Humane Society mad at him because he abandoned 170 beagles and 55 monkeys to starve at one of his pharma companies that he closed down (which led to animal rights activists raiding the place).
These are the kinds of quotes printed in stories about him, and this was from three years ago:
>โMost people get into politics because they have a certain political perspective and want to try to move the ball downfield on that perspective,โ said Adrian Hemond, a political consultant in Michigan who runs a bipartisan firm that Thanedar interviewed for his gubernatorial campaign. โThatโs not Shri. Shri has zero interest in policy or governing or anything like that.โ[…]
>Detroit leaders who spoke to HuffPost for this piece say they werenโt thrilled by Thanedarโs win, though they were willing to give him a shot. But Thanedarโs first year in office has only compounded their concerns: The freshman representative is facing allegations of creating a toxic work environment with chronic turnover and of dedicating an exorbitant amount of his congressional budget to advertising โ including billboards in the Detroit area that feature his blown-up face and the number of the office โ that feel more like campaign self-promotion than official communication, according to three people with direct knowledge of the office who view this as improper, if not unethical.
>Thanedar admits to hiring interns to take on critical services, like constituent casework, that form the bedrock of congressional work outside of casting votes and sponsoring legislation. (Interns, usually students or recent graduates, would generally earn a fraction of a stafferโs salary.)[…]
>Adam Abusalah, who worked for Thanedar from March through May, claimed, among other things, that six people quit Thanedarโs office in the span of two weeks and that Thanedar ignored his warnings to keep a firewall between his official operations and campaign activities. He also alleged that Thanedar didnโt trust Black women in senior positions, though Thanedar has denied this and has since hired a Black woman as his deputy chief of staff. He wrote that Thanedar once called him in the middle of the night to complain about not having as many followers online as Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.).
>Abusalah called Thanedar โthe most ignorant, self-centered and uninformed human Iโve ever worked withโ โ a remarkable statement given that Hill staffers rarely, if ever, go off on even their former bosses in public. He also called Thanedarโs hair โfakeโ and cited a story HuffPost broke in 2018 about Thanedar abandoning dogs and monkeys at one of his labs during his Great Recession-era bankruptcy. (Like Donald Trump, Thanedar has endured ups and down in the business career he touted in his campaigns, though his fortunes improved in 2016 after he sold a lab he had founded in Ann Arbor, Michigan, to a private equity firm for $20 million.)https://www.huffpost.com/entry/shri-thanedar-detroit-congress-controversy_n_6580a94fe4b08e9b410b881dHe also tried to join the Congressional Black Congress after getting elected and didn't understand why that wasn't going to happen. Lastly he wears a wig and sounds like Michael Jackson speaking in a thick Indian accent. I don't want to pick on a guy's accent, but seriously it's so heavy I'm not sure half his constituents can even understand him. Like I said he's likely to lose because practically every local Democrat + the DSA has rallied around a black candidate named Donavan McKinney who is in the Bernie/Abdul El-Sayed lane. It'll probably mean AIPAC will have flushed another couple hundred thousand $$$ down the drain but they have deep pockets.
>>2854960>Congressional Black Congress*Caucus
>>2854963Bro goons to clussy gender swap tf.
>>2854773The birthrate fluctuates for the past century. The Great Depression saw a depression in the birthrate due to harsher conditions. This was also a time when there were way more rural Americans so even they saw a dip in the birthrate to even below replacement level in some states. It wasn't until the mid-1940s that the birthrate rose and it ended up skyrocketing to even above 3.0 in a developed country. So it goes to show that industrialization doesn't inevitably destroy your birthrate, money,or more specifically affordability, is the root cause of declining birthrates and the global economy is on its knees right now. It is why the capitalist are trying to have a great reset and are prepping for revolts.
/pol/ are losing their shit over the supreme court rejecting Trump's attempt to strip millions of children of birthright citizenship but idk what conservatives expected here. It's illegal under international law to make someone stateless and this would've created millions of stateless individuals.
>>2854971He looks like the offspring of a car salesman and a televangelist who got both a lifting and a botox injection
>>2854972Since when do the US give a shit about international laws? I mean they got pretty much mask off lately…
>>2854743It does come across as juvenile in western circles but going to DSA meetings(not sure if they changed now) you quickly notice that a lot of people are alienated from the majority of their family and want to destroy all things American including foundations,etc. I still remember when CPUSAnon got into a heated debated over Western Socialists in America wanting to get rid of the Founders,Family,Eliminate the idea of nationhood and in short terms nihilism of America as a whole and its people. It usually comes from hurt and the desire to fit this stereotypical "communist" and basically be the propaganda itself instead of showing why it is propaganda in the first place.
>>2854975>in short terms nihilism of America as a whole and its peopleJust adding that the nihilism of the American people and alienation from one's family leads to a deep hate of the people which the very same people you need for revolution
>>2854974I think laws around stateless individuals are typically taken a bit more seriously because it prevents the person from opening a bank account or getting a passport or entering any other country. So they really would have nowhere to go and would become "illegal" by default but there's nowhere you can deport them to.
>>2854976Couldn't have said it better. I think this nihilism against the family/country/etc is just completely unproductive for building Communism which by definition is a collaborative endeavor that requires getting along with your neighbors. Hell even Anarchists require you to get along with your neighbors and generally "participate" in society without being a bitch otherwise people will ostracize you from the commune.
Really it's unsurprising that politics attracts so many misanthropes but the ones on the Left tend to baffle me more than the Right. At least with the Rightoids they're open about wanting you to be miserable so I understand their ideology is just about destroying humanity. Leftists are supposed to uplift humanity man.
>>2854972They're always complaining about immigrants not assimilating in Europe. I'm an ignorant American on the subject but it's my understanding countries over there don't necessarily have birthright citizenship. Gee I wonder if there's a connection.
>>2854977we need a jstreet tracker
>>2854984And also about how the European liberals like to look down their nose at Americans about being less racist or having less racial strife(already very outdated) the problem is never when some very foreign ethnicity is 1 out of 1000. Of course people are usually friendly in those instances because it's just a novelty. The problems start when it's 1 in 10 or 1 in 5 and you feel your power slipping and you feel you are being le great replaced.
>>2854077Radio unfree Europe. Push that to the hull.
The chuds seething about this birthright citizenship thing are hilarious. It's so pathetic. The US is only barely majority White still (56%) if you trust the statistics. White on the census includes Arabs and Eurasians and of course anyone can identify as they please on it. (I wish there was a map of what the US Census considers the White countries of the world, it would make a good meme.)
But like the battle is already completely lost. They know it, they call it the blackpill. BTW the original supreme court decision that ruled that a Chinese American born here had birthright citizenship happened in 1898. Crazy that modern chuds are less progressive than 1890s White America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark
>The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States.
>His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate . . . although but local and temporary . . . . It can hardly be denied that an alien is completely subject to the political jurisdiction of the country in which he resides โ seeing that, as said by Mr. Webster, when Secretary of State, in his Report to the President on Thrasherโs Case in 1851, and since repeated by this court, โ. . . it is well known that, by the public law, an alien, or a stranger born, for so long a time as he continues within the dominions of a foreign government, owes obedience to the laws of that government, and may be punished for treason, or other crimes, as a native-born subject might be, unless his case is varied by some treaty stipulations.โ . . .>>2854954I could genuinely see Trump trying to finance some SSPX types to be a โtake thatโ to the Pope. He holds grudges. And if these trad Caths are willing to ordain their own bishops then itโs a few leaps from being willing to ordain their own Pope.
>>2854958I donโt know that Trotskyists are any more willing to split than other Marxist sects (plenty of MLs have split) but I said ages ago I think that western Marxism is partially influenced by residual Protestantism in culture; and lord knows Protestant churches love splitting.
An element of it I think is that weโve got a culture about your personal relationship with the text and that elevates your individual decision making. Like the Chapo crew pointed this out in their recent Bible episode but rather than โjudge not, lest ye be judgedโ a โpersonal relationship with Jesusโ means that
you alone can judge because youโve got it โfigured outโ. Meanwhile Catholicism, Islam, and Judaism take the position that no mortal mind can ever really know scripture.
How that is really relevant to Marxism and splits is that weโve got at least a somewhat literate society, but where Marxism comes to displace religion in the minds of some people in the movement, theyโre still immersed in the cultural atmosphere of this brand of Protestant theology. So its not just that you can come to a disagreement with your comrades over Marxism, its that their actively
wrong. And like how a Protestant might split to โsave their soulโ, the Marxist in term splits to โfollow the correct line.โ If merely โhaving the correct lineโ was all thatโs required one would think that over the millions of splits weโd have it by now.
>>2854975Glad to see some people have come around to my points.
Something I think I recall from that conversation is someone claiming that even if I was right that the flagrant nihilism alienates people from the movement, by reversing that weโd be โalienating all the people who hate America.โ I think someone said like โat least half the people here hate this countryโ and so I looked up some stats and like even a majority of Black people described themselves as somewhat patriotic. Iโve met Marxists that have contempt for Lincoln cause he still was a โcolonizerโ but most Americans consider him our best President.
I want to make it clear I donโt think we should do some cringy forced โpatsocโ nonsense. But rather I think things like family and national community just play into greater collective identities, each supporting a higher degree of collectivity. I donโt think you get class solidarity when you throw those things in the garbage.
>>2855004Honestly even if he was half-African American, he would have still gotten the same vitriolic hate he had gotten. He would still be associated with Jeremiah Wright and seen as incompetent for the job. Also instead of Kenyan, the conspiracy theory would be that Barack Obama was born in Indonesia and that the real birth records is hidden
>>2854976>leads to a deep hate of the people which the very same people you need for revolutionWhich is also how you get third worldism and treatler discourse.
>>2854999>but where Marxism comes to displace religion in the minds of some people in the movement, theyโre still immersed in the cultural atmosphere of this brand of Protestant theologyYou mean like the mouthbreathing puritan misanthropes on this board?
>>2855017I mean I can kind of see an overlap in personality disorders between the parents that tear up their kids Pokรฉmon cards for having the term โenergyโ in there and ban Harry Potter for โcelebrating witchcraftโ and the people on here who say youโre a giddy Nazi for watching Star Wars or whatever.
>>2854976>Just adding that the nihilism of the American people and alienation from one's family leads to a deep hate of the people which the very same people you need for revolutionThis is honestly a massive elephant in the room regarding the american left in general
So much of it is hipsters with a breadtube-level understand of theory sneering at normies for having the gall to not be as miserable at them. It's why they'll talk on and on about Mark Fisher and Adorno and all sorts of cultural critique, but not a word about the nuts and bolts political economy/social philosophy/sociology of it. They'll ramble on and on and on about how all populist art is equally slop, but not a word about Anwar Shaikh or Erik Olin Wright or GA Cohen or Cockshott or Heinrich or etc etc etc
>>2855019It's why I've honestly tuned out of media discourse online.
SO MUCH of it is a fundamentally shallow understanding of politics or theory wedded to bad-faith simplistic critique meant to basically just grind some petty fandomcore axe (like how hopepunk dipshits are convinced that late capitalism is because of any genre fiction darker than an episode of steven universe making people sad or whatever)
Regarding the DSA popularity uptick, let us recall some facts.
First congress of RSDLP had <10 delegates, all got arrested.
1905 about 8,400 bolsheviks. In Petrograd some 800.
1906 about 13,000.
1907 โ 46,100. Peak membership before a period of harsh repression. (we are approaching this point). The 5th Congress in London noted their majority status.
1908โ1912 โ dropped to a few thousand. A period of intense reaction and police repression following the failed 1905 revolution. Membership plummeted. For example, Moscow's membership dropped from 500 to 150 in 1909. The Petrograd organization fell from 8,000 members in 1907 to only 3,000 by 1908. Similar drastic drops were seen in Yekaterinburg (1,070 to 250) and Ivanovo-Voznesensk (2,000 to 600). The Bolsheviks themselves were reduced to a small, underground cadre of hardened revolutionaries, with estimates placing them in the "few hundreds or several thousand"
1912- 1917. Data unavailable. It's estimated that the party's size before 1914 was between 5,000 and 10,000
Feb 1917 โ 23,600. Just before the February Revolution, the party was a small, disciplined underground organization.
April 1917 โ 79,000.
July 1917 โ 240.000
Oct 1917 โ up to 400.000
>>2855029anything is possible with the power of cocaine
>>2855022Who's your blunt rotation leftypol?
>JUST IN: Ford rehires more than 300 veteran human engineers after it says AI failed to deliver the same level of expertise.
>>2855022What tailored political identity product do YOU consume comrade?
> The US is about to sabotage its own fight against antisemitism
> That is why, as a former Special Envoy on Antisemitism and as the child of a Holocaust survivor, I am very concerned about the efforts by the current envoy to merge his office with that of the Special Envoy on Holocaust Issues (SEHI). The proposed merger, which could also end up with the elimination of the SEHI office, reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the responsibilities and duties of each of the offices.
> This administration has repeatedly invoked antisemitism when it serves a political purpose, while weakening the institutions that actually protect Jewish communities. It cut funding and regional offices of the Office of Civil Rights at the Department of Education, which protect Jewish and all students on campus and in schools; it has hired individuals who have trafficked in antisemitism in their past; used antisemitism to justify ideological crackdowns on Americaโs campuses; and removed books about the Holocaust from the Naval Academy Library, while Hitlerโs โMein Kampfโ remains on the shelves. The administration also refused to condemn a GOP congressional staffer who kept in his office a flag bearing the swastika, and refused to condemn supporters and former officials who flashed Nazi salutes at public events.
>That is why I strongly support the amendment to prevent the elimination, consolidation, or downsizing of the Holocaust envoyโs office offered by Reps. Nadler, Brad Schneider, Grace Meng and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. Regrettably, the amendment was not brought to order by the House Rules Committee this week, meaning that it wonโt be considered on the House floor. https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-us-is-about-to-sabotage-its-own-fight-against-antisemitism/ >>2855004Fuck off with your bullshit diaspora wars coonery. It's as simple as
>>2855010 says.
>>2855023Being on fandom spaces on Twitter 18 hours a day has to be the human equivalent of what it's like for a tiger to be in a cage just big enough to pace in.
>>2855050this board is fandom twitter for communism and some of you are on it 18 hours a day
>>2855050At least they do the tiger the privilege of actually castrating it
>>2855010>>2855048I didn't say he wouldn't have gotten hate if he was half-ADOS sheesh. Now I am getting called a coon. In fact I think he would've got way more hate. As Black Americans point out, White Americans tend to be more afraid and uneasy with ADOS probably because of all the history and White guilt whereas they don't have to feel any guilt about Kenya so much vs any other random third world country. I think there is a reason he is the first Black president.
I was only speaking on the foreign thing about whether the fact he was a 1st gen "tether" was a factor at all. And I absolutely think it was.
>>2855050It's why I ran screaming from Twitter a long-ass time ago, that shit will rot your brain
>>2854439>>2854999>matt christman>chapoyou made me randomly listen to them for like the first time in 5 years and they were joking and calling Zohran Mamdani "ZOGran Mizrahi" which makes me wonder if they read this board or if LeftyTwitter just talks like leftypol now
>>2855060
>I'm mad that people don't take my bad takes seriously
>>2855054You aren't in a party though
>>2855062
Are you one of those dumbfuck puriteens who thinks "pedo" is when an unc thinks you're wrong about anything ever
>>2855071how long before a member of the admin just says "white power" or some shit
>>2855069Click the /shop/ link in the topbar lol.
>>2855073Why would I ever want to broadcast my association with a board overrun by schizos, morons, puriteens, larpers and misanthropes all pretending to be marxists
>>2855061They ban you for saying ZOG here or at least give you an essay about how Israel is a hapless puppet of the US and using the term ZOG whitewashes all the bad things the USA did in it's entire history.
>>2855022I completely defy that flow chart because I am a Maoist that critically supports AOC in the 2028 U$ Presidential Election as a lesser evil to both the Christian Zionist Fascist MAGAtard Republicans and the Neoliberal Corporate Centrist Zionist Democrats, โ๐๐จ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ต๐จ๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐โข๏ธ!
>>2855078-Sent from my MacBook Pro
I think we all need whatever drugs Lear is on.
>>2855078I agree something is better than nothing. I don't think she will run tho and if she does, I don't think she'll win.
>>2855083Newsom took back his comments about israel committing genocide after getting pressured by his constituents so i dont think hes electable. if the dsa tide continues (like their win in colorado tonight) then it'll be aoc, if the status quo starts returning then itll be kamala
>>2855083but what about hildawg????? it's her turn
>>2855061There were a few moments where I was kind of like "Huh" 'cause they made jokes about candidates claiming to be the heir to J. Sakai and have been poking fun at third worldists a lot. One of their recent ones was joking about a candidate running on "Unequal Exchange"
Though if I had to guess it might just be more left-twitter sounds like that now
>>2855089we don't elect reality tv stars that have NO experience whatsoever in government either. I think being extremely young will be beneficial for electability after 3 terms of decrepit boomers, though it's probably a negative for actually governing.
>>2854692What happened with the U$ sending low wage production to China (Capital export to extract cheap labor) does not disprove the Leninist theory of Imperialism, it actually confirms it because it is basically the same thing (albeit at a more extreme level) that the British empire did with Germany in the late 19th/early 20th century, as though it has largely been forgotten their were many people in England complaining about cheap German goods flooding the market and English companies building up German industry, which ultimately led to a fierce Trade War that escalated into World War I (the Archduke Ferdinand getting assassinated was just the final straw), so if the U$ goes full Fascist (ie. Trump declares martial law through the Insurrection Act and suspends Bourgeois Democracy by canceling all elections) and cuts all trade with China, then the U$ will launch World War III against China (using Taiwan as the casus belli), that will escalate into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System and allow for a World Maoist PPW (in both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery where Maoist PPW is already viable in the Material Conditions, as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, and in the Imperial Core, where Maoist PPW will not be viable in the Material Conditions until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with these two events being related and probably happening around the same time) to create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are pictured in the map I posted) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, โ๐๐จ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ต๐จ๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐โข๏ธ!
>>2855077>THE MODS BAN YOU FOR SAYING ZOG REEEEEEEEEEEno they dont faggot
zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog zog
get a grip
>>2855094in this one they were joking about "neoliberal third worldists" and recalled a time Ezra Klein called Bernie a chauvinist for not wanting to outsource jobs
>>2855103They got more lenient about that. They got more chilled out in general. I have been overall more happy with the current level of moderation to any mods and jannies reading.
T. Been banned for saying ZOG
>>2855100you're a fool for automatically assuming world war three will begin as a war between bourgeois america and communist china. that's how it'll end. it'll start like world war two, as an inter-imperialist war. its just logical that america will pillage defenseless imperialist europe (taking greenland) and annexing imperialist Canada to wage those much needed resources against china
>>2855092>>2855102Seriously loving all these brown/black lefty waifus popping up but Melat gotta do something bout that hairline.
>>2855108>>2855092NO see:
>>2854951Eight head pride worldwide.
Bannon has taken the DSA seriously too. I was watching his stream one day and he was going on about DSA-backed campaigns in various states, like "this shit is serious they're gonna take over the country." Maybe not but you can't say he didn't see Kiros coming.
>>2855118wow Bannon maybe if you weren't an alcoholic LARPer who thought you could use an insane and impulsive dementia patient as a passive figurehead for your terrible ideas, you might have actually achieved something worth a shit
>>2855104>>2855118I think populists can recognize the threat that Socialism poses to the establishment so its no surprise Bannon understands the power the DSA has in the current arrangement.
I genuinely wonder though how much of the DNC is baffled by the Socialist upsurge. Like what true believers out there are scratching their head that the DSA is so popular.
There was a lot of excitement in 2018 when social democrats won some primaries too. The question is whether they can overthrow the Democratic leadership. If they can't do that then this doesn't matter. I'm not trying to be negative, I genuinely hope they somehow manage to kick Schumer, Jeffries, and the entire nepobaby liberal Zionist consultant class to the curb. But we've been down this road before.
It does seem like they're getting better at political strategy but the question is whether they can actually stand up to the party establishment or if they'll accept getting absorbed into the apparatus in exchange for small policy concessions.
>>2855125Will be interesting to see. Right now it feels like we're repeating a play of 1920s Germany. Nazis and Commies everywhere, but neither in power yet, violence everywhere, along with some economic turmoil.. History doesn't repeat, but it sure as hell rhymes.
>>2855131speaks for itself
>>2855131>more people on stage than in the grass lol
>the quality of the musicLMFAO
>>2855096>we don't elect reality tv stars that have NO experience whatsoever in government eitherreagan
>>2855135He was governor of California first thoever.
>>2855138trvke. he went the schwarzeuyghur route
>>2855121yeah it sucks. Bannon is a weirdly competent and warm outgoing person, who can communicate very well. He's just completely retarded ideologically
honkoid status?
>>2855125Schumer is do-able if AOC primaries him. Jeffries is not. He's popular in his district and has enormous resources to hand out to constituents, so it's really a Going for the King type situation. The DSA isn't strong enough currently.
>>2855125the energy obviously died down a little while brandon was in charge, but the neoliberals can't actually stop facism so where we are now makes sense. I doubt they will have enough power to actually coup the leadership tho and are still going to building more power. I mean modern DSA is what barely ten years old? They're unironically learning as they go. I think it's more likely schumer and jefferies get replaced with new corpo shills; schumer for being an unpopular loser who is retiring and jefferies because he doesn't have safe seat at this point.
>>2855026>>2855137this is so fucking funny oh my god
>>2854960>He also called Thanedarโs hair โfakeโuh yeah??? no shit? look at him
>>2855125Either they'll unseat the cabal of centuries old evil wizards that run the party, or else they Dems will need to resort to such blatant and egregious repression of the party's socdem wing that it could cause a split. Sort of like how the intransigence if Labour in the UK led a bunch of their members and voters to jump to the Greens.
>>2855151
please use a pseudonym
>>2855156
I hope we get to do crafts.
>>2855088she is a bit cringe sometimes, although if you're that upset about it, nowadays you have zohran who probably has got to have at least equal name id at this point
>>2855160I am not upset, she just seems like a very average tard. I am glad when she has correct takes. Zohran can't be president. I would support a constitutional change for Zohran not that I am that much behind him it is just I woyld take whatever I can get.
>>2855162I mean, I would take AOC too. But she is such a nothing my expectations are severely limited. Honestly my expectation of her is less performance than Obama.
At this point I just donโt think this constitutional order is capable of reform or modernization or anything good that would be transformative, itโs gonna be Biden forever until the oil runs out
>>2855166Not with that attitude
faggot my friend.
T. Been arrested multiple times and held at gun point by the police and had dozens of squadcare sicced on him as well as helicopters.
>>2855169yeah but that was because you got in a facebook argument with some random right-wing grifter not from doing anything productive.
>>2855169Iโd prefer to avoid going through what you went through, that sucks man
>>2855170I didn't say my experiences had anything to do with politics.
>>2855171Yeag I imagine you would. Me and the cops are like besties. Like the cops don't want to be there anymore than you do. I talked myself out of the handcuffs before after some dude called them on me.
The sports ban will very quickly evolve from "you should just go into men's sports" into "you should just dress as a man 24/7" "you shouldn't take hormones because you are a man", "women shouldn't hold intellectual positions" etc. and it is stunning to watch how stupid normies are walking into this. Maybe they really are cattle and the rich are right.
Biological fascism for the proleyim, transhumanism and genetic superiority for the thiel-epstein class
Yuhh kno I have more stories than the times I was arrested, I was moving to Texas and I stayed at a Motel 6 in Fort Stockton and some boomer cracker lady called the cops on me because O walked on a public street and smoked a self'rolled cigarette. When the Latino cops arrived I split my cig abd showef then it wad simply tobacco. Then they apologized to me, they were all milleninal latinos, they said "these people*
(crackers ) will report anything. That is what is what it is. We are all waiting for cracker boomers to die of natural causes god bless them.
>>2855174I mean dem brownie cops were apologizing to me for being called on me by Karen.
It actually feels more like when Voldemort and the death eaters invaded hogwarts. We are all Harry Potter.
>>2855174what's Motel 6 like, generally?
>>2855179Maybe better than average lol. I stayed at every lowest motel across the country because of my work and cheapskate boss.
>>2855173putting your feelings aside do you really believe trans female athletes don't have a biological advantage?
it was retarded for the liberals to attach themselves to the ONE issue where being trans absolutely makes a difference and creates an unfair playing field, out of all the issues in the world where trans people are just like everyone else they had to pick the ONE issue where transness matters and then elevate it to a national level political totem that everyone had an opinion on.
I hope the issue is settled and we can move on to talking about shit that matters.
>>2855182>it was retarded for the liberals to attach themselves to the ONE issue where being trans absolutely makes a difference and creates an unfair playing field, out of all the issues in the world where trans people are just like everyone else they had to pick the ONE issue where transness matters and then elevate it to a national level political totem that everyone had an opinion on.yeah because liberals were sabotaging trans rights by making it look retarded. that's what liberals do. play false opposition to republicans, sabotage workers and marginalized people, and play dumb about it.
>>2855088If I was AOCโs Campaign Manager I would strongly advise her to completely reject Bourgeois Femininity and cut her Hair extremely Short (Pixie cut or Shaved Head), stop using Lipstick/Makeup, start wearing a Mao suit, start talking with a deeper voice, and go on an extremely strict Vegan, Vegetarian, or Pescatarian diet and stop eating Red Meat, High-fructose Corn syrup, GMOs, High Sodium food, Artificial Preservatives, etc. in order to both embrace the Aesthetics of the Liberated Socialist Woman and due to the fact that skinny Women who act, look, and sound more masculine are subconsciously taken more seriously then Women who embrace the Aesthetics of Bourgeois Femininity (ie. Long Hair, Dresses/Skirts, Lipstick/Makeup, etc.) and/or are โthickโ/chubby/overweight/Fat, โ๐๐จ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ต๐จ๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐โข๏ธ ๐โโ๏ธ๐ฉโ๐ฆฒ!
>>2855182If it's legal to discriminate against sex based on biological advantages, why not race as well?
>>2855182you are uninformed. you are objectively wrong. trans women absolutely do not have an inherent advantage in sports. do research before spouting off shit that you just feel is right.
https://www.them.us/story/new-study-trans-women-no-physical-advantage-over-cis-athleteshttps://www.advocate.com/news/transgender-women-athletes-no-advantage >>2855186so in your opinion should men(cisgender men) be allowed to compete in women's sports? that just defeats the entire purpose of women's sports.
>>2855187So is the solution then to require trans athletes to be on estrogen for 2-3 years before being allowed to compete once their body adjusts?
>>2855187>They emphasized the need for more research. โFew studies controlled for training history, diet, baseline fitness, physical activity and body composition or previous hormone therapy, potentially hindering the isolated effects of [gender-affirming hormone therapy], since high-dose oestrogen may alter both fat and muscle mass estimates,โ they wrote.wait so this meta analysis didn't even control for anything? that sounds kinda shady. I mean at least the researchers admit there isn't enough data to form a conclusion but this seems far from conclusive if they make no attempt to actually determine what biological advantage or disadvantage is conferred by transitioning alone.
>>2855193What does that scene have to do with my post at
>>2855185 , ๐ค?
>>2855191No. Just allow them to compete straight up. Because all successful athletes, be they cis or trans, are freaks of nature anyway. Almost all of them have higher testosterone than average. The highest performing female athletes (which are cis btw) have higher testosterone than the average male and than many cis male athletes, some even have such high testosterone that by some criteria they by some regulatory standards they do not qualify as female, even though they are cis (were born with female gonads and have xx chromosomes). Some are "intersex" people, who, for example, might be born without a uterus, with internal testicles, and nevertheless have a vagina and breasts and have lived their entire lives identifying as women and being treated by society as women. Trying to pin down objective standards for this sort of thing is a fools errand. Just let people participate based on their gender identity.
Furthermore this retarded paranoia of men intentionally transitioning to obliterate all-female competitions is not based in reality. This is not a systemic issue. Being trans is incredibly inconvenient and dangerous. Nobody is gonna put themselves through that just to win some athletics competitions.
>>2855195>No. Just allow them to compete straight upThen it goes back to this
>>2855188<so in your opinion should men(cisgender men) be allowed to compete in women's sports? that just defeats the entire purpose of women's sports >>2855197you are getting your terms mixed up. you don't understand what transgender is. you don't understand what gender is. go look it up.
>>2855198if we're approaching gender as a modern discovery that is distinct from sex, then wouldn't sex-based sports regulations still be unchanged here? they were always intended to categorize biological male and biological female athletes, no? so banning biological male athletes from female sports, regardless of their gender, is the most consistent approach, is it not?
>>2855198The question is simple: so should there even be woman's sports at all if the point and reason for them is for biological differences?
>>2855200Your question is badly badly constructed from the outset because you are ignorant.
>should there even be woman's sports at all?Yes. Because though gender is a social construct it nevertheless has material consequences. Being a woman, cis or trans, is inherently more dangerous than being a man. They are the targets of systemic violence and institutional obstacles to this day (trans women even more so than cis women).
Though this is a larger debate with differing opinions depending on the specific sport.
The Worldwide Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in the future Global USSR will flatten the Socially Constructed Reactionary Gender Binary, with all Women forced to have extremely short hair (Pixie cut or shorter, with a Shaved head being the most Historically Progressive), and Dresses/Skirts and Makeup/Lipstick banned in order to liberate Women from the chains of Bourgeois Femininity/Domesticity, while all Western Business Suits and Traditional Religious Clothing are banned as well with everyone wearing Mandatory Mao Suits. The Worldwide flattening of the Reactionary Gender Binary will ironically cause a noticeable Global decline in Transgenders (less Men will desire to become Women once the Aesthetics of Bourgeois Femininity such as Long Hair, Dresses/Skirts, Makeup/Lipstick, are banned for Women) in the aftermath of the Global Destruction of Bourgeois Femininity/Domesticity, though Sex Changes will still be Free and Legal to anyone who wants one, โ๐๐จ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ต๐จ๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐โข๏ธ ๐โโ๏ธ๐ฉโ๐ฆฒ!
>>2855202>Being a woman, cis or trans, is inherently more dangerous than being a man. They are the targets of systemic violence and institutional obstacles to this daywhat does this have to do with sports lol?
>>2855173I think transbians (that is you) should finally get into their head that feminists stabbed you in the back because of your perceived young white male status instead of inventing delirious scenarios where the girldad party that is the GOP is actually secretely doing sharia law or diddyblud fascism.
UK Labour party isnt secretely anti feminist either they are just transphobic and anti-youth. So is JK Rowling.
Trying to pass transphobia as being actually about uyghurs of foid or immigrants is one of the most baffling incompetence of trans activists, it completely dilutes their message just to appeal to people who could not care less if you were a second class citizen. The people who hates you just hates trans and young people to some extent they arent there for TND or ending women's rights.
Transbian uyghas with queer stalin pfp see republican SCOTUS decide that NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL BUT TRANS IS and their immediate reaction is the invent a theory about how transphobia is actually about attacking brown women inclusion in society and wonder why their movement have went nowhere since Obama left office.
>>2855200Contact sports should be separated based on weight class, like boxing. There's no more reason to separate based on gender than there is to do so based on race.
>>2855216doesn't a male athlete in the same weight class still have more muscle mass than a female athlete?
>>2855241>every person that weighs 200lbs has the exact same percentage of muscle massholy retard
>>2855241the burger educational system makes people retarded.
I'm gonna be honest: I never gave a fuck about the trans people in sports debate, one way or the other. I understand it was legitimate issue for some, but also it's fucking obvious that the reason we even have gendered differences in sports anyways is because of the way hormones DRASTICALLY affect statistical outcomes for physical feats.
There was not a single cis woman who was like "yeah dude let's have every trans woman compete against me. Can't wait to be unfairly shoved aside AGAIN for reasons I can't help"
And like yeah, sure, we never even got to the point where we could analyze the data and prove it. But if trans women start competing separately, and their scores blow cis women out of the water on average, I won't be surprised.
>>2855264 (mefagging cont.)
And I guess I'm just saying like… Not a hill to die on. And it was inevitable tbh.
You can call it reactionary all you want, and a lot of the people who bring it up are themselves reactionary people, but it just makes sense I'm sorry.
I see a lot of people talk about women's rights in left leaning spaces, but I hardly EVER see cis women in those spaces themselves. Cis women get pushed aside every time. Their opinions and their sexuality, and what they want with their lives, and the implications of having kids and what that means, is shouted down as reactionary in online chats etc. So the only place you'll see cis women organizing is IRL.
>>2855216>There is no more reason to separate genders in contact sports than if they were separate racesLike this is so fucking stupid. I cannot fucking believe you think this. There is no way you actually think this.
>>2855199>Separate sports by XY vs XX ChromosomeThis is probably the most consistent way imo. Except that trans men (ftm) will be astronomically stronger than cis women (both xx). It would be an incredible advantage unless every other XX athlete did as much testosterone
(with few exceptions obviously you have xxy and yyx etc but they usually wouldn't be able to compete at the highest levels anyways with the drawbacks they cause)
>>2855269>I see a lot of people talk about women's rights in left leaning spaces, but I hardly EVER see cis women in those spaces themselves.Outed for not being involved in leftist spaces. Outed for being a projecting retarded chatting complete and utter shit.
You're welcome to stop now.
>>2855275there are quite literally 0 cis women on leftypol
shits bleak
>>2855275The caveat made was IRL you do see them, don't twist my words. And even then you don't see them both simultaneously in those spaces as professional athletes and arguing strongly in favor of trans women in women's sports.
And this isn't to be a terf about things. Trans rights etc! Yes! But cis women are constantly spoken over and decentered you know that is true
>>2855278This is my point. There are cis women organizing IRL. And they are keeping their mouths shut about their opinions for some things, because they'll get cancelled. But straight cis women do not get listened to, because they are shouted down by lesbians and trans women.
Which was understandable before, tbh. But eventually man we're going to have to let them speak and feel comfortable with their lifestyle and sexuality / preferences or they will get taken in by the tradwife bullshit or Hillary libs.
It's like… Dude a cis woman is more likely to die in childbirth than a trans woman is to be murdered for being trans. Like yes, y'all needed your rights and needed inclusion into the spaces and we've made STRIDES as far as that goes. On the left, the trans debate (in north america and most of Europe) is pretty much solved aside from a few things.
Now I think it's time to let cis women speak so we can have some fucking childcare, maternity leave, better XX Chromosome healthcare outcomes etc PLEASE!
>>2853873Positions that are now filled in the campaign:
Vice campaign manager/chief foreign policy advisor= Terry glorious
Advisor on trade and unequal exchange issues= that guy in this thread who posted about the 1890s Supreme Court case.
Deputy chief of staff/advisor on border security= Terry Sanford robot(ex officio)
>>2855287if you need a chief of security there is a guy on here called 'iron felix'
>>2855288>Let incels speakBuddy we already do.
There are so many virgins on this website lol
>>2855291No don't you have so much to live for aha ๐
>>2855299downloading porn as we speak
>>2855278>>2855280>>2855282/leftybritpol/ invasion lmao
>>2855303>Bad faith misinterpreting my pointThe British terf shit is like "oh men are finding excuses to infiltrate our spaces" which is not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that it actually IS true that the concerns of cis women have suffered, and to be honest, sports (while not even that important) is a place where cis women feel they can have a fair competition. Don't get it twisted. There are actual nuances to this without being completely anti-trans or whatever.
Trans women in cis women sports is pretty much the only opinion like that I have. And this is all just to say that really seriously reproductive rights etc for cis women are being ignored. They overturned roe v wade! It's actually lethal!
>>2855278You are here femanon…
>>2855289Nice one. Anyways, I have been discussing with Mr. Wilimos the idea of having an advisor on homosexual/transexual issues. Should we?
Amerikkkan politicians are obsessed with the genitalia of children.
>>2855309Abortion wasn't abolished cause muh feminists were focused on muh trans lmao
>>2855325I know those two issues are unrelated mostly but they also aren't entirely. At some point you need to realize that trans women have a problem separating their own issues from the issues of cis women, and refuse often to admit that no matter what, they live very different lives that will inevitably spawn different priorities, politically.
This all sounds very icky to most leftists to hear and read, and I know this, and i hate having to say it myself. Because i know the pushback that it can get. But I think it's important to talk about it or else we're going to keep conflating the two demographics and their needs, and we'll lose sight of what's important.
I think that roe v wade was probably going to be overturned regardless, so yeah maybe it was fine to focus our energy on the things we could actually accomplish.
But what brought this all up was the specific problem with the sports thing. After that, what else is there really to focus on? Is trans women in sports REALLY that fucking important? I feel like it's not. I don't really think we should put that much energy into it.
>>2855330There are much more feminists diverting ressources into anti-trans which lost them time and money to fight anti-abortion than there are trans diverting ressources from feminism for pro-trans goal, if such a situation even exist, trans rights comes from gay rights and general civil right stuff more than feminist orgs.
Also Roe wouldve been ended anyway because Obama didnt force Ruthkanda to retire anyway, so i doubt any activism beside poisoning her during his term would have helped.
>>2855288Because incelsโ problem isnโt being a virgin, broke, or single, plenty are. Your problem is being a bunch of willfully self-centered internet-addicted cunts who secretly get off on being miserable and alienating the normies.
You folks like the fact that your subculture and aesthetics are alienating and abrasive to anyone who would give you the time of day, because you get off on feeling like you โget itโ and they donโt.
We canโt help you with that one.
Damn, I logoff and then literally every post is about wahmenz and trans shit. Jesus Christ, get a life. How do you guys never get bored of this shit?
>>2855348>Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps penis, you lazy bumNah screw off you spiritual Boomer, everyone deserves 1 partner. It is actually a human right that should be inscribed into every future socialist constitution.
>>2855353>dating is economics because Reddit said soNah, thatโs just forcing yourself onto people.
Women and transsexuals are really not interesting enough to warrant this level of obsession and discussion.
>>2855353WOMEN AREN'T YOUR SLAVES.
TOTAL MOID DEATH NOW!(This person and the "brocialism" flag are the same poster btw) >>2855352i blame the british. its british hours. GMT.
>>2855353(rewinds tape)
>>2855348 (me)
>Because incelsโ problem isnโt being a virgin, broke, or single<Because incelsโ problem isnโt being a virgin, broke, or single>Your problem is being a bunch of willfully self-centered internet-addicted cunts who secretly get off on being miserableA huge amount of people these days are broke, single and lonely, you are not the only one, and you ainโt special for adopting a cute label over it like โincelโ and spamming wojak bullshit.
>>2855358You femcels are just as sad and pathetic as the incels. Youโre both a bunch of terminally online freaks who think your own shitty experiences with gender make you the center of the world. Feminism is not your personal fucking venting chamber, you people do it more harm than good, and you and the incels deserve each other
In conclusion, total death to the extremely online thank you for coming to my ted talk
>>2855341>here are much more feminists diverting ressources into anti-trans which lost them time and money to fight anti-abortion this is a very fair point
>>2855366and this is to say, it's all mostly a nothingburger imo. I still think the trans sport thing is stupid, but that's probably why no one really cared to put up much of a fight anyways.
this incel poaster needs to blow his brains out immediately
Women are just people, donโt be a freak
>>2855371just to clarify, pseudo-terf poster (me) and this incel guy are not the same person. So don't report me. or do whatever fuck you
>>2854173In 1960 East Germany Czechoslovakia and Poland were trading more with Afghanistan than the ussr?!?! What?!?! Iโm I interpreting this right?
>>2855406Marx didn't say this
>>2855409Marx was a treatler Mao would have killed
>>2855413Imagine 180 year old marx getting beaten and shamed publicly by Red Guards for revisionism
> Soccer (not calling it football) is a fundamentally Third World sport that mimics that tactics used in tribal warfare, making it fundamentally opposed to Western values.
>The third category is even older. Itโs the contest between man and nature, or man against himself, that stretches back to the dawn of time. Avid golfers will readily attest to this. His opponent is the green itself or his own ego just as much as itโs Phil from accounting. Competitive swimming, skiing, and surfing see men battle against the primal forces of nature.did felix write this?
https://thefederalist.com/2026/06/30/soccer-is-spiritually-third-world-sport/ >>2855416>the federalist>western values>Phil from accountingobviously not.
>>2855439
Communism
>>2855441
No, Communism. The fuck you mean primitive communism? That shit is literally impossible now.
>>2855448
>Capitalism will destroy all the capital to prevent communism
How
>we will regress
Not how it works
>>2855451don't bother with this anon. he's a raging alcoholic doomer who just posts this kinda stuff every day. he's ban evading too. do not engage. He will just say stupid shit and drag you down to his level. He's a bourgeois failson who claims to work in a steel factory and even says ridiculous things like "if we reindustrialize it will only bring back 12 jobs."
>>2855457>heโs a raging alcoholicThat reminds me, I quit drinking for June and it was a total success. Lost some weight, and got my squat sets up to 300 pounds at the gym.
Pretty happy with it.
>>2855353>rightsI hate libs
>>2855483gfy anon, quitting drinking is good. i wish more people would do it. i never had a problem with drinking but i quit smoking weed after probably 12 years of doing it daily. It has been 7 years and I have not gone back and I am happy with it. Sometimes I miss it a little bit but not enough to pick it up again.
>>2855416>soccer>spiritually third world Wasnโt it made in Europe? Like Britain specifically right? Though this reminds me of how Ayn Rand thought Tennis and other 1 v 1 sports were better cause Teamwork is for commies or some nonsense.
I basically only drink in the company of friends, so like once a month a most. At least half of the time I become extremely chatty and start ranting about The World to Come which is pretty funny. One time I deliberately took some notes on what I was saying and I think I was cooking.
>>2855504Europe was third world tier at the time it was invented. Not the case anymore but it was at the time.
>>2855435Theyโre always preppin.
This has been happening since the coldwar
>>2855416>fundamentally x2 in same sentence AIsloppa
Am I schizoing out? The war in Iran is back on right? The fighting resumed a week ago. And yet no one is covering it anymore. Even "independent" and/or "radical" journalists have relegated it to a footnote. It's just one more of those ever developing stories in the background. I think in the USA in particular the election cycle has served to drown out the news of the USAs international crimes. Which is ironic because a large part of the success of the Democrats in these recent elections was because of the discontent caused by the Gaza genocide and the USAs war on Iran.
>>2855513One of the funny things about centrists over the past decade is they've so negatively polarized against Trump that they have memed themselves into being against the kinds of things that win elections which a certain type of liberal now views as essentially cheating.
>>2853873The 10 point program for our campaign goes as follows.
- I will vote for common sense tariffs to protect the Usonian proletariat and their industry.
- Advocate and vote for abolishing mindless un-natural monopolies. Especially when it comes to food sellers.
- 100% Nationalize healthcare. Including dentistry and exceptions for abortion/contraceptives.
>>2855358>(This person and the "brocialism" flag are the same poster btw)lol
>>2855433>All women>Eliminate the middle class>*lightsaber ignition*Based subs writer
>>2855375>Go get laid.How many incels would finally end it when they got laid and afterwards realize they are still miserable?
>>2855575Very few I think. Most people, even extremely depressed ones, will just keep coping. Society and family in general will often tell or force people to keep chugging along because it's for the better.
>>2855491Thanks Anon! Honestly it was hardest in the first week, after that it was pretty smooth sailing.
>>2855511Pretty sure Soccer came about during the birth of capitalism (inb4 โSoccer is bourgeoisโ)
But regardless, acting like itโs degenerate is stupid.
>>2855543I think centrists negatively polarized people against centrism as well. Like Trump kind of blew up the normal functions of government so Dems are trying to play their โreasonable moderateโ role when heโs screeching they should be killed.
>>2855590interesting.
it would be funny if the next stunt was the trump administration tried to bring back the POW/MIA issue that woul be the ultimate boomer bait.
>>2855606More sexual derangement disguised as politics…
>>2855606i've just come to accept that schizophrenia can enable any argument to justify any position
>bad things happen<good cuz accelerate le conditions>good things happen<bad cuz treatlerismnunna dis matters
why is this thread full of dickdock slop and worldcum(p) ssslop, please provide actual quality posts besides forcing me to look at that shit, its pissing me off
>>2855627>still won't resignPerfect illustration of the gerontocracy. We'll have half of our top leaders in comas and shit.
>>2855631And imagine this: they will build an AI profile of them, and start writing and signing letters using the AI 'reasoning' profile to put a facade, to make look like the guy is alive and doing (un)governance.
>>2855639They should've banged in front of the cameras.
>>2855639Seeing people that high up makes me feel almost physically sick.
JOE BIDEN JUST DIED
>>2855371t. yfw
women are as interesting as the time you spend and invest finding interesting women.
I've never met interesting people in trivial places, like disco clubs, dating or friendship apps, gyms, beach parties, pool parties;… men and women.
>>2855513harris wants to talk to mamdani, ahead of the 2026 midterms. from
>I' speakingto
>bretty blease let me spik >>2855639what does the flag say?
>>2855657Looks like: When the love of power beats the love of power, the world knows peace.
>>2855656AI slop is a rent seeking dumpster fire that requires a lot of troubleshooting and shit to use. But even if it worked ideally and efficiently, you would still run into Jevons Paradox.
Depends on who you asIn economics, the Jevons paradox, or Jevons effect, is said to occur when technological improvements that increase the efficiency of a resource's use lead to a rise, rather than a fall, in total consumption of that resource.
Most people use this when talking about fuel. For example if you use solar instead of fossil fuels, paradoxically your demand for fossil fuels will increase anyway, because you will just use those fossil fuels in other areas of the economy.
But this also works for automation and labor power. Automate a job? Well you don't want to just throw that person out on the street. They won't be able to afford commodities, because they serve a dual purpose as both a produce and a consumer of commodities. You need them alive to CONSOOM commodities so you give them some other job instead.
>>2855660jimi hendrix said that
>>2855660Can people think in anything that isnโt bob marley lyrics? Jesus Christ
>>2855665that's hendrix not marely
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>>2855671>>2855669I think it's just something he said at a concert or interview or some shit, not a lyric
>>2855092That looks like 2007 Obama if he got on HRT
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