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>>2853873The ACP is getting dissolved
How is revolution supposed to happen when the bourgeois can just launch the nukes and end all life on earth? It’s the political equivalent of someone throwing the board or the table when they’ve lost, you’re stupid if you think they wouldn’t do it, they’re petulant children with a gun to your head
>>2855690they didn't nuke iran when they lost. we've gone 81 years without a single nuke being used in combat
>>2855693That’s not an existential war foe their survival as a class
>>2855695they never nuked revolutions in other countries when they occurred why would they nuke their own country? that would nuke the fixed capital and means of production that give them their power in the first place
>>2855693>Campist thinks Iran winning means communists winsHoly kek.
Maupin's CPI has announced its taking over all the dissolved ACP branches.
>>2855700Again, those wars were not existential for them, if nuclear weapons existed in the 17th century the British would have used them on Napoleon
>>2855711why are you so invested in preaching doom. like why aren't you ODing on fent somewhere. if nunna dis matters, act like it.
>>2855712Opiates feel worse than alcohol
>>2855708>elect succdems>establishment pretends to shiver>"reaches out" to those "loony radicals">sheepdogging commenceshow many more times
>>2855713go drink outside
>>2855715I just had a 20 oz steel reserve while on the highway, felt great, might hit up my coke guy, keep the party going
>>2855708Dems genuinely see phone calls as a sacrifice on their part to Palestine activists
>>2855671Continuing from the last thread.
- Make Duke energy 100% publicly owned. Encourage other states to follow such an example.
- Direct cash payments of $14,000 to working low-income families of 3 or more children.
- The abolition of the federal reserve, as well as income taxes on both a federal and state level.
>>2855720Get rid of sales taxes too, it should all be capital gains taxes
>>2855712I agree with anon:
>>2855711I'm also sick and tired of the LARP about how you're going to defeat the US military in combat.
>>2855690Revolution and insurrection aren't synonyms btw. Also they have much more weapons than just nukes. They'd release the super AIDS if it came down to it.
I asked this a couple threads ago, but how come this is literally the only thread where we have to LARP about defeating our government in battle? They don't do that in Germany
thread they don't do it in the Russian, UK, Australia, Brazil, whatever threads. What makes burgers so out of touch with reality? Is it all the shitty YA movies?
ezra klein is sheepherding libs into the 'good fascist' discourse interviewing chris rufo with a 2-hours interview, more like a two-hours session of two guys brownosing each other; ezra is tries to finally consolidate his career as an open fascist.
be aware with libs that take ezra klein's unirinocally.
>>2855726The DSA does the exact same thing of normalizing Nazism but from the left wing of capital, yet you get banned if you so much as comment on it
>>2855719they are between edging the sword against these socdums, and dangle the carrot before the socdem's eyes.
>>2855661>Most people use this when talking about fuel. For example if you use solar instead of fossil fuels, paradoxically your demand for fossil fuels will increase anyway, because you will just use those fossil fuels in other areas of the economy.That's not jevons paradox. Jevons paradox is that increases in efficiency make more marginal uses economically viable.
A closer example with fossil fuels would be like
>gasoline is only used in industrial machinery because gas powered engines are big and clunky and inefficient<a better engine is created that is more efficient and lighter and cleaner>with better engines, now small motor cars are feasible, and gasoline is used on this more marginal subject in more casesYour example is just demand-slump economics.
>>2855730nah.
we are gonna see a schism between these two.
>>2855723>I'm also sick and tired of the LARP about how you're going to defeat the US military in combat.who said this. who are you quoting. it's certainly not anything i said so don't reply to me with shit i didn't say
>>2855741Just like AOCIA “schismed” with her Zionist backers eh? You’re falling for the same playbook over and over and you’re doing so willingly because to you the people outside the imperial core aren’t human
>>2855747Ending the legalized bribe machine would be an objectively good thing
>>2855700>they never nuked revolutions in other countries when they occurred why would they nuke their own country? that would nuke the fixed capital and means of production that give them their power in the first place>>2855749Every single day for over a decade it's been this stupid bullshit fantasizing.
>>2855755that was my post and it didn't say anything about defeating the military. I just was saying why the US wouldn't nuke itself. troll or tard?
>>2855750oh, but the national organization did officially revoke its political endorsement of her in July 2024. but given DSA's own caucuses rules, she hasn't been expelled from her district, I reckon.
There was a
schsim. the next one will shake the democrat establishment, more likely, more strongly, and more definitively, and people like aoc will regret to have sided with the dems when they had the chance to be on the right side of history.
>>2855750> you’re doing so willingly because to you the people outside the imperial core aren’t humanok fellow leftychuds should i dignify this by denying it just so he can double down or should i yes-chad so he can thank me for being "the one honest amerikkkan" or some shit. let me get out the leftytroll flowchart
>>2855759>right side of historyYou mean with the funko pop 'socialists'?
>>2855765i will personally volunteer for the IDF and turn 6 gorillion global southers into ketchup so i can have one microliter of petroleum to turn into a single eyeball on just one funko-pokemon or however its speleld
>>2855758The context of that comment is in a hypothetical proletarian revolution in the US that the US proletariat is winning in
>>2855769i was just responding to another anon saying that if something would happen the US would nuke itself, not arguing about anything imminent.
>>2855769also most revolutions are civil wars where the army splits in two. so it's not really ever a matter of unarmed people defeating the army, but of the army fighting itself over the future of the country.
>>2855771Lol that is not happening in the US, and even if it was, it would be the CIA doing it because they’re bored
>>2855760>let me get out the leftytroll flowchartYou can't. Eventually he will say that the only thing he wants is for every Amerikkkan to kill themselves and his trolling is somehow leading towards that goal because we will kill ourselves because we got annoyed by an autistic faggot on a dead catgirl enthusiast forum.
>>2855772didn't say it was. man you are really stupid.
>>2855773> we will kill ourselves because we got annoyed by an autistic faggot on a dead catgirl enthusiast forum.i do this and i ACK
>>2855765DO you even know on what platform Kiros won?
>>2855768I thought labubus already disappeared.
>>2855774We’ll get a civil war in the US when people lose interest and the money to bet on Kalshi
>>2855777actually the way to start a civil war is to create a kalshi bet and get most people to bet yes, incentivizing them to actually make it happen so they get their bag
>>2855776You know Kiros is either lying or she’ll change her tune when she gets disciplined by the party. Entryism only ever turns you rightward, not the machine leftward
>>2855781Kalshi will allow this when FT reports they aren’t making profit
>>2855781Also didn’t this literally happen in 90s Albania?
>>2855784what country was it where the guy assfucked himself with a glass bottle then it broke and he blamed it on an ethnic group
>>2855786Entryism only ever works from the right to turn leftward institutions rightward, not the other way around
>>2855788it's our fault for being weak or something.
>>2855787That was Serbia while it was still Yugoslavia
>>2855790Reality has a ratchet effect, not just the US two party system
>>2855708Remember when some Americans refused to vote for Harris on the grounds that she was too pro-Israel, which allowed Trump to win the White House again, when Trump is one of the most pro-Israel US politicians of all time?
>>2855782new faces, new opportunities. the people is wise, they will discard the betrayers, and it seems they are moving towards serious progression.
video semi-unrelated (?)
>>2855793well what if we walked to the other side of the ratchet, so that right became left, and left became right. ever think of that.
haha the ultras are so seethe that NYC is literally actually existing communism socialism lmao
oppa dengist style
>>2855797Yeah, everyone always pushes this idea that "social fascists" who run on policies that make life better for Americans are actually bad because every degree that life gets better means one more dead baby in the third world or something, but having less bloodthirsty leaders would be the best possible thing for third worlders currently getting blown up by the US.
>>2855802Every filipino nurse that emigrates to take care of your grandmother isn’t taking care of their own grandmother back home, they just get cash they’re dependent on that doesn’t get productively invested
>>2855679
you're not yet, but you should be
>>2855806Shoulda woulda coulda
>>2855761>he thinks “workers” in America face remotely the same conditions as the third world child slaves they rely on for their iPhonesMy sides were not ready for this level of delulu
>>2855812The third world all have iphones, including the kids mining the coltan, they’re free to goon all day, watch brainrot, and make 4 cents for every racist tweet. The class war is over, we’re all treatlers.
>>2855805I don't know what that has to do with what I said but.
>they just get cash they’re dependent on that doesn’t get productively investedHow do you know it doesn't get invested?
I'm not a liberal so I don't support illegal immigration or even legal guest workers as something our economy should be based on. If the costs of goods and services have to go up until they find a wage that Americans are willing to do those jobs at, so be it.
>>2855805anon i actually take care of my grandmother, there is no filipino nurse involved. tonight i am driving to pick up her scrips. got any more made up scenarios in your head.
>>2855818Because when you import doctors you rob their home countries of healthcare, resulting in death, making it social murder
>>2855822I do too, thankfully she doesn’t suck or get whiny
>>2855797>you should have voted Holocaust Harris to minimize the damage from Zion Doni guarantee you a lot of anons did this but would never admit it because it would lower their social credit on leftychud dot larp
>>2855785now, this is an interesting question.
the new obama picking candidates?
>>2855826If you live in either a solidly red or solidly blue state, your vote does not matter, that’s why I’ve only ever voted Green candidates for president
>>2855827Obama is still picking candidates, the agency that created him also created Zohran
>>2855829I didn't know obama's platform was the DSA.
>>2855833The DSA in practice has put forth the same policies as Obama: treats for the protection bourgeois college educated service “workers” funded with military industrial complex profits from the genocide of millions. But you already know that and are part of the beneficiary class of Americans, which is why you’re so vehemently supportive of a DSA Fourth Reich
>>2855823You just keep jumping from point to point, none of which have to do with the original post you replied to:
>>2855802I made the claim that more doveish leaders would be the best possible thing for people in the countries of would be, future US aggression. Maduro would probably still be in Venezuela for example if Kamala was president for example. Obviously the Democrats have a pretty bad track record but I think we can objectively say the Republicans are worse. Inshallah we will get more and more DSA candidates which will be even better.
>>2855801dengism was only possible in china because they had their own proletarian revolution, civil war, and WW2 all at the same time. deng fought the japanese in the 1930s, as a communist, long before the cultural revolution accused him of being a capitalist roader, long before he defeated the gang of four, long before he implemented reform and opening up. So to me, comparing zohran to deng xiaoping doesn't make much sense. zohran is just a guy who got elected mayor of one really big city, a position that is notoriously very mascot-like, and he got elected as a democrat. he has no power to do any kind of reforms, be they of a "social fascist" character or otherwise. He has no background in a communist party, just DSA, and he has no combat history, and no history of surviving anything on the scale of a civil war, a revolution, or a cultural revolution.
>>2855833There’s zero distance in practical politics between DSA and Obamna
>>2855823damn. i imported doctors? when did I do that? how do i cancel the order?
>>2855836Bro is really in the Trump era trying to warn us about the rise of the DSA Fourth Reich. Who do you think is buying this crap?
>>2855839the ignoring of real differences between non-communists to win ultra-lefty points is so silly. everyone can see what a sham it is. liberals, conservatives, social democrats, democratic socialists, fascists, libertarians, anarchists. they all have different things going on and to pretend they are just one homogenous mass of monsters aligned equally against you is to be the dumbest strategist alive. no general in a war with 6 other armies would ever pretend the other 6 armies are the same and cannot be pit against one another. yet the chief conceit of leftychuds on this site is to do exactly that.
>>2855837There is no such thing as a dovish or hawkish leader because these policies are decided by banks and weapons companies and not by politicians. Your vote does not affect this, the guy who you’re voting for cannot affect this.
>>2855836>>2855839I am pretty sure the DSA never endorsed obama, neither as president, nor as senator candidate. and I am also pretty sure that the DSA condemned obama's foreign policy, like sanctions, deportations, drone strikes.
'some' dsa members were part of the obama team, but they ended up as collaborators and traotors.
as I've said, these are normal purification processes. the trash, in these cases, take themselves out.
>>2855838Hes barely even DSA ive never heard him once mention the org.
>>2855840Use traditional medicine and understand that pain is weakness leaving the body, you getting sick is a moral failure
>>2855845DSA endorsed Tim Waltz who is a non member
>>2855846So would most of the world, especially its poorest people
>>2855850no, they didn't.
>>2855852No, not really timmothy. Maybe you should try talking to more people.
>>2855842>le orange man bad!!!Not only did Biden’s handlers admit that Kamala was planning on a war on Iran of her own, had the DSA gotten its way and Kamala installed Tehran would be a smoldering radioactive craters by now rather than utterly humiliating the US
DSA dick suckers of america lol haha
Trump does represent America, if he didn’t, his head would be on a pike already
>>2855794nice rings, comrade. I'm sure they hold great sentimental value
>>2855846THere is no need. As the cold war advances the USAnos will just get less and less gibs and more will be demanded of them to prop up hegemony, the benefits of which will also be made explicit. And when that too becomes unsustainable, they'll be looted like the USSR. There will be no war for you to fight, no grand conflict where you can defect.
Nobody is coming to save you from capitalism this time. You killed communism, enjoy.
The collection of ancapistani republics that the USA will splinter to will just become to China what India and Pakistan are to the US right now. The sweatshops are calling and your children will answer.
>>2855854Yes they tweeted during the vice presidential announcement "this is the power of democratic socialism" or some dumb bullshit
>>2855855>>2855857After he became mayor.
After he won the primary he basically ditched DSA and is now a Zionist.
I predict he will pay a visit to israel before his term ends.
>>2855809>>2855826Whether you think her policies were dumb or not, I'm pretty sure she would have been more humane than Trump.
>>2855879how old were you during obama
>>2855880Have fun dickriding the DNC
Kkkill every amerikkkkkkkkkkan
>>2855787I was told that guy was from my neighboring city
>>2855883Have fun being a cynical misanthrope.
>>2855889That guy hasn’t killed anyone, the DNC nd the RNC are responsible for deaths two to four times that of the NSDAP but somehow he’s the misanthrope?
>>2855889Go read Lenin you sophist
>>2855892Lenin has never been relevant to the struggle of imperial core workers, ever
>>2855881That's the problem with this. If you are old enough this was the same exact thing that happened with Obama
>>2855894Absolutely retard. Please leave here go to bluesky and volunteer for AOCIAs presidential bid.
>>2855897I’m not a dem shill lol, Lenin was the original falsifier and revisionist, a bigger enemy to the proletariat than any capitalist or fascist
>>2855883I am the anon. I did not dickride the DNC. I simply noticed that you shifted your argument over the course of the conversation. Stop taking people noticing you being inconsistent as someone arguing the exact opposite of what you are saying. That is a sign of being stupid, which you can overcome. I support you becoming less stupid.
I am not
>>2855901 btw. he always is jumping into other conversations and sowing confusion
Socialism exists for one reason and one reason only, to give weapons contractors rich
>>2855812Never said they did. Just that you want more people to die from rationing insulin and medical debt while accusing people of not seeing the third world as human.
Frankly all the third world seems to do from where I’m standing is be used as a cudgel for why we have to have homelessness and no healthcare.
>>2855914Why do you deserve anything?
>>2855915Right back at you
>>2855917Answer the question
>>2855919Nah it’s bullshit that applies to third worlders too.
>>2855920They work and get nothing, you work and get a 401k and sick leave and bereavement and enough to order on doordash of you chose
>>2855926Other than death was the implication
>>2855914If you’re living in the heart of the imperial core and somehow so incompetent that you find yourself in debt to the level of the third world untermensch you rely on then I’m sorry to say but you might be too retarded to function society, let alone a socialist state
what the fuck is new in the free world?
>>2855864untrue. for one, in 2016 trump didn't win the popular vote.
second, what Boots Riley says.
>>2855936He literally takes money from the Ellison family, he is a glowtard
>>2855937
Because they work in the hot sun while you get extistentially bored at the air conditioned office, if it were up to me you’d trade places with each other every other month
>>2855915>Why do you deserve anything?individualism moralism idealism in 5 words
>>2855914>Frankly all the third world seems to do from where I’m standing is be used as a cudgel for why we have to have homelessness and no healthcare.I have relatives that live in some of the poorest countries on Earth and I will say this bullshit is not a thing I have encountered.
This is all just the liberal self-flagellation complex. It is just the same how it's college educated liberals who are the most rabidly anti-White or anti-police even.
>>2855938counter what is being said in the video and stop kvetching about who is saying it
>>2855945
Words don’t exist by themselves and are only as worthy as whoever is saying said words
>>2855940You run from moral critique because like Marx, you exist to prop up the western weapons industry, you’re a ready made boogeyman to sell a shirt to
>>2855948if someone you dislike says 2+2=4 you cry about who they get money from, got it
>>2855950There is no such thing as 2, or 2, or 4, they don’t exist in physical reality
>>2855949>you run from moral critiqueif i say "yes i'm a bad person" you won't be any less stupid
>>2855954
stop flipping his dumb script on him, the entire framework of "deserves" is dumb in the first place
hurr durr the weak deserve freed from oppression because they le work so hard
hurr durr the strong deserve freedom to oppress others because they le won the fight
both positions are an entirely retarded way to view the world
>>2855954
Because they work in the hot sun
>nobody works outside in the first world
please just drink yourself to death already
>>2855962The majority do not, and those that do outside agriculture are landscapers, which is blue collar barista
Clarification:
We also mean civilian trade like diamonds and fruits.
>>2855967Oh and people with Israeli passports have to either give it up or go there and stay there
>>2855965>majority dont>therefore nobody dont>therefore working outside is my arbitrary metric for deserving stuff, not working in general>therefore nobody in the imperial core deserves stuff even the people who do work outsidepunch yourself in the teeth for me
>>2855974People who do harder, more arduous work in worse conditions deserve more of the surplus than those who don’t, administration will be conscripted like jury duty and you will not be paid while you’re in the comfortable office
>>2855982I stand by my words that if baristas are parasites so are landscapers
Working outside is pretty nice. Even in the grueling heat and getting bit by giant fire ants and mosquitoes and stabbed by cactuses and mesquite. Working in an office is hellish to me. Working outside you literally get paid to touch grass.
>>2855991Try cutting sugarcane and see if that’s still your attitude
>should we end poverty
<no we should make everyone equally impoverished, they "deserve it"
this guy is literally preaching the glowie caricature of socialism
>>2855997Do you think the environment can handle everyone on earth having the standard of living present in an American exurb?
>>2855999There's lab based meat being developed that can be produced in insane levels of abundance. Solar panels are getting cheaper and better than ever, as are batteries. The PRC is able to make electric cars at prices that ten years ago would've been seen as absurdly cheap for typical gas cars. Right now, the environment might not be able to handle that. In ten years time? Who knows.
>>2856005There’s no replacing fossil fuels
>>2855997That's what happens when you get ypur worldview from memes.
>>2856009Kid named Uranium:
Kid named the wind:
Kid named waterfalls:
Kid named THE FUCKING SUN:
>>2856011No one wants nuclear in their backyard and the others are weather dependent
>>2856009love when self-proclaimed leftists regurgitate fossil fuel industry talking points
>>2856013let's hope the weather doesn't run out then
>>2855994You cut sugarcane?
>>2856016The issue is you’ll run out of lithium for the batteries and then you’ll be forced to invade bolivia and mexico like america invaded iraq
>>2856017Did it for an hour once, never again, those people are stronger and better than me
>>2856013https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/fuelmixSeems to be working well in Texas. As we're speaking, they're getting 58% of their energy from renewable sources. In Texas (not exactly known for their govt. being too eager to invest in clean energies)
>>2856013true we should all just burn to death
>>2856018The Chinese, Swedes, Americans, and British have all been making incredible leaps in battery technology, to the point where state-of-the-art batteries (that haven't yet made it to market) can theoretically last hundreds of years.
>>2856022They’re going to invade Bolivia in five years, China is just 40s America
>>2855999>we should end poverty<i choose to interpret this as everyone should be fat smoker who eats burger and drive truckliteracy problem?
>>2856026Skinny hipster who sips latte is just as bad
>>2856025I will see you in 2031 when that doesn't happen. Bolivia, really? I can see China potentially trying to invade Taiwan one of these days, but Bolivia? Get outta here lmao.
>>2856009Green energy is already more economically viable than fossil fuels. The latter are surviving on subsidies as we speak due to the Strait of Hormuz opening and closing like your dad's butthole after I pay him a visit.
>>2856032Have fun with rolling blackouts whenever it rains without wind
>>2856029Ew, who watches this gross shit
>>2856036it's the reply anon deserved for trolling this much
>>2856035>you dont deserve treats and your life is unsustainable>but dont you dare try to build an alternativeyou're just a whiny bitch and you should be rolled around in broken glass and hosed down with lemon juice
>>2856042You’re in for a surprise if you think solar and wind are more sustainable than fossil fuels ool
>>2856043They literally are lol
>>2856022>desert solar farm>1700km away from where it gets used>produces 578 million kilowatt hours>enough to power 4.5 million homes year roundBuT sOlAr dOeSnT wOrK uM aNd cHiNa wIlL iNvAdE bOlIvIa oR soMeThiNG
>>2856043if I boil this anon in petroleum, will he shut the fuck up?
>>2856048Ill scream like a lobster until you and your treatler family are all deaf
>>2856049How exactly do you reconcile the whole treatler thing when by your very.. ahem.. interesting.. definition, about one sixth to one quarter of the world is treatlers with that number growing every day.
>>2856052Everyone with a cell phone is a treatler and there’s never gonna be a revolution again
The anti-communist is, psychologically speaking, a scared little wuss. They are scared of change, they are scared of the leap of faith. Every communist has done more to advance the Faustian spirit that fueled the so-called West for three centuries than an anti-communist has.
An anti-communist is an animal not worthy of dignity. They have decided they are okay with their animal existence being the only non-estranged part of their lives. They are spiritually cuckolds being they give up freely part of their labor-time and enjoy doing so. Their existence is wholly animal. They enjoy the estranged being. They are scared of their own minds collapsing under the sheer weight of history.
Cool story bro.
So now that it seems the daily struggle session is petering out and we all got all the struggles our of our bodies, who is watching the soccer game tonight? Will USA bomb Bosnia again? The Senegal-Belgium game was heartbreaking.
These anti-communists should just form thier own party and call it something like the ACP. Oh wait.
>>2856067what party are you in
>>2856068The LARP(Last Actual Revolutionary Party)
fall in line with the modern day Bolsheviks (the Democratic party) or be go into the dustbin of history!
>>2856068answer my question first
>>2856071well they do have more internal discipline than just about any other org. shame it's all in the name of being neoliberal centrists
>>2856073neoliberal? no no no. dengist.
>>2856074concession accepted
thanks for playing
>>2856064That last call was total bullshit and basically handed Belgium the game. At least if it goes into shootouts it's basically a toss-up.
>>2856065Inshallah our Slavic-Muslim brothers will defeat the Yankee devils.
>>2856065This is the one time ill root for USA just like the one time I root for Englad was when they played the Croats
>>2856013Nuclear is safe i will have that in my yard
>>2856082Not unless it’s thorium
>>2856079It should be the uniform for all members.
>>2856065Unless they see the light of allah and marxism this game is lost
>>2856107tbh there should be a technofeudist/dark enlightment board for this stuff
>>>/dark/ >>2856109>>>/dead/ exists for postleft reactionary schizophrenia
>>2856116why is this video done in the style of a ad holy shit thats annoying
>>2856115despite all their blustering about muh freedumbs, USAnians love the boot.
>>2856117i didnt even watch it lol i just type "be your own ISP" and sent you the first thing i found. no wonder it's annoying
>>2856128Also worth noting NYC DSA is probably the most rightward chapter of the DSA
>>2856133That too. I heard (online gossip anyways) that he's in with one of the more rightward caucusus too but I don't know if that's true. There's Groundwork, B&R, and Socialist Majority. The chapter around here was run by B&R people.
>>2856136I'm watching at a bar, whole place is going crazy at the goals. I've only ever watched the super bowl at a sports bar before and my city wasn't even playing. It's fun.
Also this is why I don't think it matters a whole lot if more left caucuses like MUG get on the national board, because NYC-DSA is so big relative to other chapters in the org, and structurally by design the national board can't really tell them what to do. Also the more left caucuses are not stupid, they're gonna roll with it if a DSA guy gets elected mayor of New York City and doesn't fuck up. At any rate I think that kind of confederated style might be better adapted to an American political context.
>>2856146socialism with burger characteristics will have a decentralized federation of, cooperatives, councils, unions, mutual aid groups, militias, etc.
the vanguard party as the infallible vatican of the working class is an 20th century construct for an era before TV, internet and atomic bombs
>>2855971This is acceptable. Any other questions?
>>2856065This sport has way too much diving.
>>2856169Welcome back "black people aint havin no bernie"
>>2855756You went from a proper Marxist back to a liberal again.
such a sight
>>2856169I've been warning everyone here about the rise of the DSA 4th Reich. These people are literal Nazis, they want to round up Black people and Jews into extermination camps. If the DSA manages to come to power, you'll be begging to return to the good times of the 2nd Trump presidency.
>>2856181The DSA plans to kill 1.4 billion Jewish, Black, and East Asian babies.
>>2856175Ga'feel L'Zanya is an absolute menace
I created a visualization of the 577 people George Washington held in chattel slavery at Mt Vernon
https://erikhoudini.com/577>>2856182>I've been warning everyone here about the rise of the DSA 4th Reich. Leftists love all those ᴉuᴉlossnW: Son of the Century memes where Benito breaks the fourth wall and talks at the camera, so you could get a lot of traction being like "behold, the dogs of war" every time another incumbent Democrat goes down. Long live the king and fatherland!
>>2856189Live streamers, like all members of the petit bourgeoise, have Hitler particles embedded deep within
>>2856189>the poor american homeless person<anyway he doesn't deserve socialism because he's in the same country as the livestreamer harrassing himyour brain on nationalism
your brain on moralism
your brain on collective guilt hypothesis
>>2856199this is pretty neat. visualizations can be very radicalizing because people tend to just ignore the scope of numbers. thanks erik.
reminds me a lot of this (which is a few years old now and even worse these days)
https://oadouglas.github.io/Wealth-To-Scale-Adapted-For-Classroom/ >>2856199Despite his contradictions, he was a progressive force
>>2856217i would call you king larp but your roleplay isn't even live action
>>2856219What do think about my Dialectical Materialist Marxist-Leninist-Maoist solution to eliminate Bourgeois Femininity in the Worldwide Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in the future Global USSR, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️ 💇♀️👩🦲🤔?
>>2856222what is your first short term goal to contribute to the building of this so called global soviet? Make sure it is a specific, measurable, achievable, relevant, time-scheduled goal, and not a vague, amorphous, preposterous, irrelevant, delayed fantasy.
>>2856226Your parroting Bourgeois Corporate “Self-Help” PR catchphrases to avoid answering my question about what you think about my Dialectical Materialist Marxist-Leninist-Maoist solution (Forcing all Women to have extremely Short Hair, No Dresses/Skirts, No Makeup/lipstick, and to wear Mandatory Mao Suits) to eliminate Bourgeois Femininity in the Worldwide Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in the future Global USSR, 🤢🤮😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️ 💇♀️👩🦲🤔?
>>2856216Northern states actually started abolishing slavery before the British Empire did. Once the US gained independence the only British territories where slavery remained widespread were a few small islands in the Carribean, so Britain could afford to abolish it through reform because the economic interests opposing it were relatively small and weak. If the American South had remained a British colony with the same cotton industry the economic weight in favour of slavery would have been much greater. Its likely that this would have delayed abolition significantly and probably required a lot more force to push it through.
>>2856235the whole point of the revolutionary war is that the colonies didn't have political representation. the british kind of thought of the american colonies as a backwater anyway. it was not an integral part of the empire or its economy.
>>2856237That probably would have changed with the cotton boom that came with the industrial revolution. Britain was already heavily dependent on Southern cotton for its textile industry which is why it was somewhat sympathetic to the Confederacy during the Civil War. That dependency would have been far greater if the Southern states remained part of the British Empire. At the very least you need to acknowledge that keeping America within the empire dramatically changes the whole balance of power between various economic interests. You can't just assume that history would progress the same way in that situation.
>>2856172
Yanqui devils are really gonna make me cheer for the Yakubian hand chopping apes smh.
>>2856189What did Joe do? Whatever he did I don't care those livestreamers are super annoying.
>>2856217I can’t believe more Comrades don’t want to discuss my Dialectical Materialist Marxist-Leninist-Maoist solution (Forcing all Women to have extremely Short Hair, No Dresses/Skirts, No Makeup/lipstick, and to wear Mandatory Mao Suits) to eliminate Bourgeois Femininity in the Worldwide Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in the future Global USSR, 🤢🤮😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️ 💇♀️👩🦲🤔?
>>2856241>mentally ill guy lives in his mom's house as many mentally ill guys do>streamer wants to rent his grandma's house to make money so he decides to evict his uncle>teams up with another streamer to harass this random guy into homelessness by setting up speakers in the house and blasting loud music 24/7>police show up and tell the dudes to knock it off and also escort joe off the property to the police station>joe is now homeless and flees to mcdonalds>streamers and their entourage of 16 year olds all follow him to the police station and then to mcdonalds to harass joe calling him a "squatter" with the same kind of self-righteousness you'd use to shame a pedophile>mcdonalds calls the cops and streamers all get arrested or told to gtfothe whole sting operation/predator hunter streamer community are just a bunch of psychopaths. they couldn't find a pedo to harass so they went for some random mentally ill dude.
>>2856242I would Lear, because I respect you for being pretty friendly and all, but it's late here and I'm gonna hit the hay.
G'night everyone, hope your nations all do well in the world cup!
>>2856258May you make every imageboard weirdo seethe just by being somewhat well adjusted and sober in analysus
>>2856258Thanks Comrade CPUSA anon, maybe you could provide your response tomorrow, 🤔?
very dire situation in the eastern coast of the US. over 25% of the refineries in the US are located exactly where the heat wave is.
today, a refinery in Mandan, North Dakota, (Marathon Petroluem) halted
https://nitter.net/TomKloza/status/2071949181657158090 due to the extreme temperatures. though the output was only 71k barrels of day, it reveals that gas prices will suffer a slowdown in refineries processing, that will have to halt to avoid fires, extremely dangerous operations, and damages.
this ahead of the 4th of july, where most people travel, etc.
embrace yourselves.
>>2856266especially in places experiencing droughts, where there haven't been enough controlled burns, or there are a lot of unraked leaves, etc.
>>2856265i will embrace myself
>>2856265i hope the east coast burns to the ground
t. californian living in a glass house
>>2856163That's just gold juice squirting out the building. Trump truly knows luxury that we deserve
>>2856313Oh nooooo, a 15 year old boy
>>2856265whats even funnier is the midwest is cripplingly humid now because of all the corn it grows, a single acre of mature corn can transpire up to 4,000 gallons of water into the atmosphere every single day. all that subsidized corn gets turned into ethanol and put into the subsidized gasoline. midwesterners are literally paying the gov taxes to cook them alive
>>2856216Britain abolished slavery but didn't blacklist the products of slavery, they were major buyers of American slave produced cotton. It's just washing your hands to pretend guiltless
>>2856397Doesn’t change the fact that AmeriKKKans are so barbaric and racist they staged an armed rebellion against the British so they could keep their slaves and genocide the Indians
>>2856398brazil paraguay and puerto rico had institutional slavery for longer
>Houdini is a member of the DSA
>He's also now an AnCom
>>2856392Put your trip back on, loser
>>2856392some of these people i suspect are being taken to elon musk' ranch for brain surgery. sick.
>>2856401Fascists tend to bundle together, it’s their whole symbol
I broke up with my gf :(
>>2856427Median WSWS reader
I am a hoxhaist machine
I am a Marxist-Leninist hussy
North Carolina will vote for us or barbarism, the former becoming more likely as the two-party system becomes more hated. The party of labor of America will grow more relevant in the local landscape.
>>2856424I think she emotionally cheated on me :(
>>2856430Who's the bald guy
Oh wait theres a lot of bald guys that doesnt really pin it down.
I mean the one on the bottom right next to the X
>>2856436Vladimir Liberal
So the fireworks show on July 4th is going to be an absolute shitshow. To recap, in a display of childish ego we're planning on setting off over 800,000 fireworks in DC, which is over 100 times more than last year, all to beat some record set by the Philippines. The fireworks will be held at 11 pm because Trump wants to give some long ass speech beforehand, and they're going to stop letting people into the National Mall area at 6 pm. No coolers, no folding chairs, only one bottle of water per person allowed, all other outside food and drink banned, but there will be four free water refilling stations in a space that has a capacity of 150,000 people. Temperatures in excess of 100 degrees (not counting humidity which will make it feel even hotter) will likely persist well after sundown. And to top it off, the sheer amount of fireworks they're launching is going to make the air around the entire DC area completely unbreathable for at least 24 hours.
Perhaps the inevitable fire that burns down DC and kills thousands will be the beginning of the end that we as a country deserve
>>285644512 people will be there max
>>2856446Nah there's a fair amount of MAGA cultists from across the country who are already there and will definitely come to this, they genuinely consider it an honor to suffer or possibly die while watching a Trump speech the same way an Aztec prisoner of war would consider it an honor to have their heart feed Huitzlilapuitchli
>>2856436which one, there are 4 bald people there.
From left to right, top:
Lenin, Eugene V. Debs, Marx.
From left to right, bottom:
Ho Chi Min, Xi, Domenico Losurdo.
>BREAK IN: OpenAI looking for government bail out.
>>2856448a big ass firework could malfunction and blow up several of these MAGA freaks due to incompetence and they would still worship him for it. i think at this stage trupm could grab a gun and start randomly gunning down his own supporters rambo style and they'd still cheer him on.
>>2856453What is it called when the federal government keeps collecting pieces of companies as tribute? They got 10% of Intel and an controlling stake of US Steel last year.
>>2856453>>2856453>5% is worth like 40 billion lol trust us guys pls pls give us taxpayer money lol!Absolute clown world.
>>2856453god please let it rise more so the crash hits harder
>>2856459>>2856459well, the trump admin replied back:
https://www.rstreet.org/commentary/statement-on-the-trump-administrations-proposed-stake-in-openai/
>“This is a troubling move that will give the government greater control over one of America’s leading technology sectors. Equity stake arrangements like this will politicize the AI industry and encourage companies to spend more time currying favor with Uncle Sam rather than consumers. This is a recipe for cronyism and regulatory capture instead of competition and innovation.
>History shows that when governments take more control over important industries and technologies, it undermines the vibrancy of those sectors. It also results in a lack of transparency and accountability as political mandates gradually come to replace market discipline. Worse yet, with AI technologies, the potential for speech meddling is a serious concern because government ownership gives politicians more leverage to directly or indirectly influence what AI models produce.
>It is also worth remembering that leading AI labs still are not profitable, and many critics think we might be in an AI bubble that could burst at some point. If that happens, firms with government stakes might look for taxpayer-backed bailouts to save the day.”this could kill openai and cause the boombust.
>>2856464>This is a recipe for cronyismAs opposed to the trillion dollar circular investment racket these idiots have going
>>2856464>>2856466Laughibly the government has no problem issuing billion dollar pentagon contracts with Musk for deeper integration between its AI program and the security state
>>2856464maybe once it hurts people enough they will start to care! who knows! we've already overextended, i hope we overinvest too so when it bites us in the ass enough people go broke that some meaningful change can be made in america.
>>2856476>Democrats seething about DSA>Republicans seething about DSA>Zionists seething about DSA>Terminally online armchair MLMLMs seething about DSAYou know they are doing something right.
>>2856469>>2856468>>2856466either trumpedo wants openai to be cheaper or trump hates sam altamn.
>>2856474LETS GOOOOO AMERICAN COLLAPSE
>>2856494>>2856481>>2856474His advice for investors is to get all your money out of the American stock market and invest in foreign markets. He seems to thonk this recession will be mostly localized to America. He said he is more confident in the British economy lol.
>>2856497basically he doesn't know that the US regime owns the imf, the us dollar has the most powerful exorbitant priviledge, and that the US has a population of +300 million, unlike the UK.
>>2856445is the Burger Reich version of the Khodynka Tragedy imminent?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khodynka_Tragedy >>2856497lets b real… europe is an extension of america at this point. they will be fucked once we collapse.
>>2856497just get a basket of stable commodities like gold so that when the dollar hyperinflates you at least aren't losing anything
>>2856500i fear our collapse will be much more weimar-ish as there aren't enough willing, fighting americans. our government is too covert with their political killings and too overreaching with their propaganda.
>>2856505>>2856502>>2856501>>2856499Yeah he also recommends gold and developing markets. I think his main point is anywhere but the American stock market lol because that is where the bubble is centralized.
>>2856392I'm wondering where and when the next big targeted operation will be or if they've learned enough from Minneapolis to not do that
>>2856505I wasn't talking about our long term political collapse but the dangers of the poorly prepared 250th July 4th celebration anon was talking about in
>>2856445When Tsar Nicky 2 was coronated, 500,000 people showed up and 1200 got killed in a crush. There were so many people and it was cleaned up so fast that most people didn't even find out it happened until later. Imagine that. the equivalent of like 15 Anders Brevik mass shootings happens but it is all people being silently crushed and trampled at the bottom of a ditch and nobody gives a fuck
>>2856497lol this guy has no clue that foreign nations like Norway and Australia park all their pension funds in american stonks. if america is fucked everyones fucked
>>2856509i feel that it will just be embarrassing for the US. i don't think that many people will show up. either way there'll be more people than capitol police could handle.
>>2856510I think he knows, I will rewatch and pull actual quotes in a minute but you huys can watch yourself.
>>2856518i pay this guy no mind at this point. he is a spectacle and more representative of the failures of america than he is a problem himself.
>>2856515>actually the US got its democracy from the Haudenosaunee Confederacyweird revisionism. everyone knows the burger reich larp as the SPQR. why even insult the Haudenosaunee Confederacy by suggesting it inspired the people who genocided the indigenous just because Ben Franklin met with them a couple of times.
Short term pain for long term pain
>>2856523from an accelerationist point of view I think he should do this
Would you guys actually vote fot trump in 2028 because i would
>>2856532would it matter?
>>2856523Every person on "the left" should vote trump 2028
Why doesnt trump just reimplement the communist control act and suspend congress
>>2856539because they don't see the DSA as a serious threat to the status quo yet
>>2856539because he is more interested in crypto rugpulls, gaudy ceremonies, "ending wars" that he started weeks earlier, etc.
>>2856474>Um, there is a probably going to be a bit of a job disruption as well. And particularly if you have to own stocks, own them outside America. Don't own US stocks. That's a nice simple strategy that you can act on. Why? They're much cheaper and since the beginning of last year, they have handsomely outperformed the US. foreign stocks, foreign stocks of emerging countries of European countries, Japan, Canada, Australia and so on. You can find good broad indices um kind of the world indexeas or emerging markets and uh invest outside of America. Yeah, I'm sure they'll muddle through okay over the next 10 or 20 years. And I am not confident that the US will do that. <You're not confident in which part that the US >I'm not confident that US equities will be intact in 5 years 10 years.<So US a US equity is a US stock. Yes. Why aren't you confident that they'll be intact in 5 or 10 years?> Because they're so badly overpriced today.>Back in the tech bubble of 2000, we had a 10-year forecast for US equities of minus 2% a year for 10 years. and they came out with minus.>The period from 2000 to 2010, you simply lost money in the US market. 10 years later, you had less money than you started with. And this is a higher price market, I believe, than 2000.<So, you think it's going to be even worse?> In Japan, you went 20 years and you lost money. You went 30 years and you still hadn't gotten back. It took 35 years for the Japanese market to recover. <So, what are you saying? >What I'm saying is it's quite typical to uh get beaten around the head in the stock market when it becomes crazily overpriced as it is today and that it's a very good idea to take some respon responsibility and and and watch your tail. >>2856539Kinda hard to start a communist witch hunt when you're taking portions of private companies and putting them under federal control
>>2856546americans don't know what communism is. it's just a scary word for people you don't like who hate freedom and puppies and rainbows and kittens and jesus
>>2856550Fox News boomers: communism is when sidewalks
Millennials and Gen Z: Okay I'm a communist now then
Fox News boomers: 🤯🤯🤯
>>2856539Why would they waste the communist control act on militant anti-communists? The DSA much like the NSDAP before it is the financial bourgeoisie’s preferred weapon against communism
>>2856554They are almost literally just a death cult now, and calling anybody who doesn't want to dismantle everything and kill everyone a communist. It's not really surprising that they got to this point if you have been following the internal logic of their echo chamber.
>>2856557And yet they shit their pants and cry and seethe when DSA candidates win primaries.
>>2856559it's all feigned tbh
>>2856558it's always been like this. having any basic human decency since 1945 gets you called a filthy commie in this country. you don't have to actually be one to get called one, which is a big part of why nobody knows what it means.
>>2856559>>2856563>>2856572I suppose one way to prove this would be to see how the DNC talks about the DSA in non-leaked internal memos… since anything leaked might be linked on purpose. You would have to basically pull off another watergate to find out what they really think.
>>2856563kayfabeschizo at it again
>>2856563I don't think it is. People just dogmatically reproduce analyses of social democracy from literally a hundred years ago without any acknowledgement of how things have changed. Western capitalist economies no longer have room for massive upwards growth that would allow for high profits and social democratic concessions. There is no powerful labour movement that could pose a serious threat to the bourgeoisie if it was united behind a revolutionary program. There is no existing socialist alternative that can scare porkies into compliance. These are all critical factors that in the last century led to the splitting of the worker's movement and the absorption of its reformist wing into the orbit of the ruling class, and all of them are gone. If the American bourgeoisie really saw social democracy as a means of controlling the population then they would actually be making social democratic concessions, but they aren't. Instead they're doubling down and digging in their heels, refusing to grant even basic things like universal healthcare, despite the fact that every other developed country has it and the vast majority of Americans want it. Instead they're showing us with both their words and actions that even social democracy is something they won't tolerate and feel no obligation to concede to. This doesn't mean the DSA is going to bring us to socialism or anything, but it does mean that the alliance between the right wing of labour and the left wing of capital that gave us 20th century social democracy is broken and showing no signs of returning. Perhaps such an alliance is physically impossible in the hollow stagnant shell of Western economies based on fictitious growth.
>>2856578The easiest way to tell what they really think is to assess their actions. If DNC bosses like Schumer and Clinton start supporting DSA policies then we can conclude that they view these as pacifying concessions. If they continue to resolutely oppose them then we know they view the DSA as enemies.
>>2856578Are ypu guys really seriously saying they are coming out saying they are anti-Black, anti-'east asian', antisemites as part of a 5D chess plan to bolster them so the DSA replaces the DNC because the DSA is the new NSDAP which the Republicans and Democrats are all collectively in support of? I have a hard time believing you guys believe any of the shit you say.
>>2856582well they might oppose DSA polocies while viewing the DSA as a sheepdog to prevent more militant forms of radicalization. They can kill two birds with one stone by maintaining the kayfabe, no? I don't have a strong opinion on this and want to wait for more evidence of the kayfabe theory basically.
>>2856584>you guys saying [bunch of schizo shit]I didn't say any of that. I was merely suggesting how someone who believes in the kayfabe theory might actually produce evidence
>>2856582Which they have both in the past and present because the DSA is just the explicit National Socialist wing of the Democratic Party. Yeah Schumer is soooo opposed to them that he happily integrated “the squad” into the party apparatus and they like your hero Platner have done nothing but given full support to imperialism in exchange for extra treats to the white labor aristocracy
>>2856585>well they might oppose DSA polocies while viewing the DSA as a sheepdog to prevent more militant forms of radicalizationThat really makes no sense. The DSA only works to prevent further radicalization if it actually yields results. If it's just an exercise in futility then people will turn to more radical alternatives. You can't sheepdog people without actually giving them concessions.
>>2856586>you guys saying [bunch of schizo shit]Well:>>2856557
>Why would they waste the communist control act on militant anti-communists? The DSA much like the NSDAP before it is the financial bourgeoisie’s preferred weapon against communism >>2856584Who’s “they”? One tweet? A few spicy news articles purposefully pushed forward to make the DSA look like opposition? You sheep will believe anything if it comes out of the mouth of someone with a D next to their name
>>2856590that's not me, i am not associated with that individual. I was merely weighing in on how to produce evidence for a claim being made. do you understand that sometimes people approach conversations with a reserved posture and make suggestions for what evidence would prove a theory?
>>2856587>Which they have both in the past and presentWhat DSA policies have they conceded on?
>>2856588Immigrants who became addicted to the first world standard of living are spiritually white and Israeli
>>2856592>there are 0 differences between pro and anti israeli politiciansthx mossad
>>2856587>national socialism is when yes AOC is working with IBM to gas you
>>2856596>whiteness is socially constructed bullshittrue, i accept your concession
>>2856595Try the Gaza genocide
>>2856602The DSA opposes all military and economic aid to Israel. They recently passed a bylaw saying you can be thrown out of the organization for supporting Israel's right to "self defence".
https://www.algemeiner.com/2025/08/13/democratic-socialists-america-makes-support-israels-right-self-defense-expellable-offense/ >>28566033rd person here. I have seen this conversation play out a million times. you know his next card is "it doesn't matter what they say" right?
>>2856592What is happening is first these people tried to shut down Mamdani and these other candidates, when it fails they try to co opt them, but the DSA is remaining firmly afainst the DNC establishment, so you will see more and more of them coming out against them.
>>2856604Yes but if these tards are allowed to spout this nonsense unopposed it will take on a life of its own and uninformed people may begin to accept it as fact. Goebbels quote about repeating a lie often enough and all that.
>>2856603And what did they do to stop it? Nothing, unless you count wealthy trust fund kiddies having drug fueled orgies on college campuses as praxis
>>2856606That's not actually a Goebbels quote thoever. It is actually a Hitler quote where he claimed other people were lying. It is funny how readily people are ready to believe mythmaking about the Nazis that they just went out and said:
>yeah we are the bad guys! I am a lyimg scumbag!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie>A big lie (German: große Lüge) is a gross distortion or misrepresentation of the truth, primarily used as a political propaganda technique.[1][2] The German expression was first used by Adolf Hitler in his book Mein Kampf (1925) to describe how people could be induced to believe so colossal a lie because they would not believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously". Hitler claimed that the technique had been used by Jews to blame Germany's loss in World War I on German general Erich Ludendorff, who was a prominent nationalist political leader.https://factually.co/fact-checks/media/who-said-repeat-a-lie-until-its-believed-original-attribution-b93ad1 >>2856614I guess repeating fake quotes enough until people believe it unquestioningly is a perfect example of the message of that fake quote if you look at it lol.
Speaking of fake quotes, I recently learned "the bourgeoisie will sell us the rope…" is a fake Lenin quote.
>>2856614>yeah we are the bad guys! I am a lyimg scumbag!I mean in all fairness these WERE the guys walking around wearing a skull and crossbones on their hats
>>2856609Whenever they do anything you insist that it's actually part of a plot to make the genocide worse lmao. They continued with their basic strategic of getting their candidates elected so that they can block aid to Israel in the legislature. I know you'd prefer that they firebomb a Walmart or something, but frankly what they're doing seems to be raising a lot more alarm bells among the Zionists than the sort of direct action you see from Palestine Action or similar orgs. That kind of work is all well and good, but frankly it only offers short term relief instead of actually challenging the Zionist grip on congress.
>>2856624Anon, you think he likes Palestine Action. Everyone and everything is simply a tool of the bourgeois to suppress the theoretical MLMLLM party that exists in his mind who will lead the masses to overthrow the government.
>>2856497>He thinks AI is the most revolutionary technology of the last century, but he points out there have always been bubbles around revolutionary technologies going back to the locomotive.Right. A bunch of these companies aren't worth what they're valued at, there will be a crash, a bunch of them will go bankrupt and investors will get wiped out, and then a handful of them will survive and become the next Google/Amazon.
>>2856506>Yeah he also recommends gold and developing markets. I think his main point is anywhere but the American stock market lol because that is where the bubble is centralized.Could be.
>>2856537<The US-based right-wing Chinese billionaire Miles Guo (Guo Wengui), who worked closely with Donald Trump advisor Steve Bannon, was sentenced to 30 years in prison for committing $1 billion of fraud.He was such a hilariously awful grifter. He landed in the U.S. and immediately tried to go to war with other "dissident" emigres (many of them Christians), started a cult, then went to prison. The lolbert journalist Michael Moynihan tried to puff up his status for VICE btw.
>>2856627You know, I think I have kinda figured out the the full circle of the circular reasoning of these people.
>If it exists, it must be because it is the bourgeoisie pulling a slight of handWhich is why they can never a single party that they support. Also why they can't make their own party either, because if the party became manifest in the real world, it would become unpure and bourgeois. The real movement can only remain real in the confines of the mind of real Lenin and Mao understanders.
>>2856635My God, they've reinvented left communism from first principles!
>>2856636Unionists are getting too cocky these days
marxists lenninist maoist large language model MLMLLM
>>2856612Earth is getting uncomfy
AOC has endorsed Abdulrahman el Sayed for Michigan Senate in what is probably her most significant endorsement of the primaries.
https://archive.is/fZaxEAn abdul win come november probably makes a 2028 presidential run increasingly more likely
>>2856617Marx said it first
>>2856663You are probably joking but I thought it would be good to provide a source for my claim.
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/02/22/rope/
> The earliest strong match located by QI appeared in 1955 within a periodical called “The Commonwealth: Official Journal of the Commonwealth Club of California”. The club is a non-profit public affairs organization. The quotation appeared as a filler item. Emphasis added to excerpts by QI:1
<Lenin wrote, “When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will vie with each other for the rope contract.” <—Major George Racey Jordan
>Jordan was a U.S. military officer who became a fierce anti-communist. Lenin had died in 1924; hence, the 1955 date was quite late. No documentary source was specified, and multiple researchers have been unable to find a match in Lenin’s writings. The Congressional Research Service did report a thematically pertinent passage ascribed to Lenin. Details are given further below. >“Oh, you fellows are not living beings; at best you are bookworms always thinking about what Marx said or meant to say. What we want is a revolution, and we are going to make it—not with books, but with rifles.”
<John Reed
>>2856634>The lolbert journalist Michael Moynihan tried to puff up his status for VICE btw.yeah ben norton covers vice running puff pieces for him a lil bit in that vid
>>2856635they are apophatic theologians, gnostics of communism, the material pollutes the ideal, the real movement pollutes the ruthless criticism
is the reflecting pool still green?
>>2856701It’s kind of pseudo-Sorelian. Sorel talks in his conception of revolutionary myths in creating the image of total victory over your opponents. It’s images of victorious conflict that spur the followers of any particular ideology to keep the faith.
You saw them do this with using AI to display arrested protesters as crying. And it works for the most part, Dems will claim their retreat into fake images is a sign of weakness, but really it lets their followers hold onto faith.
>>2856104He is probably in a coma or dead already.
How does Trump keep on winning grand jury indictments over the pettiest of shit? I thought DC hated his ass
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/02/reflecting-pool-indictment-david-hearn-destruction-pirro.html>>2856701his posts and pictures are both AI generated now. it's just pure slop all the way down
>>2855723Speaking as a yuroid: you guys have guns
>>2856785You fags can still jump people and stab them up. Really the gun provides almost no advantage.
>>2856787I mean, the element of surprise and not being tracked to the scene of the crime are the biggest factors. You can cave peoples heads in eith blunt instruments even with the knoif laws and bins.
>>2856790>>2856787wait until they finally invent 1-atom-thick graphene swords. fuckers will be carving holes through concrete walls and chopping people up like ninjas. the era of the gun will be over and we'll go back to the sword meta
don't take me seriously >>2856790Wanna know something funny? The USA actually has more knoif murders per capita then the UK. Euros are just pussies.
>>2856744Pretty sure there's an old saying on the beltway that you could get a Grand Jury to indict a sandwich.
>>2856701IMO it's just tiring the dog out. They have just found out that instead of long, habit forming walks or games which build more rigid expectations and entitlements . They can just give the shitter some electronic toy and the furry retard just learns to amuse itself, content that you acknowledge them every now and then.
You'd just be changing the setting on the machine.
>>2856827bro is 80 and has applesauce for brains. a zoomer is definitely Ai generating these "truths"
>>2856612Texas is one of the states with most renewable energy btw
>>2856841I'm not interested in your porn collection of Mitchell McConnell anon
>>2856841this killed the thread for 2 hours
>>2856898Leftcoms are in mourning
>>2856580>Western capitalist economies no longer have room for massive upwards growth that would allow for high profits and social democratic concessions.Why not? Before the AI craze these guys were sitting on trillions of dollars doing jackshit. They'd make plenty of money if they built real infrastructure. Where are the crooked mobsters? Don't they want a vig on these construction contracts.
>>2856904>Before the AI craze these guys were sitting on trillions of dollars doing jackshit.Exactly, it was all fictitious growth based on debt and speculation. The value of their assets increased even if output did not. It only works if they maintain the delusion that stock prices can keep going up forever even if actual revenues are not. A sudden rise in taxes to pay for a welfare state is exactly the kind of thing that could pop this bubble.
>>2856904>Why not? Before the AI craze these guys were sitting on trillions of dollars doing jackshit. They'd make plenty of money if they built real infrastructure. The process of monopoly consolidation has made it so that the profits necessary to justify any given corporate decision have become so astronomical that the creation of real goods is increasingly seen as fiscally detrimental.
Furthermore, the sort of large scale infrastructure development you describe has become institutionally unfeasible and industrially impractical. Those same monopoly interests have spent decades sabotaging the government's ability to oversee and direct the sort of economic coordination that would require, for a number of economic, ideological, and class war reasons.
To put it another way, it can't happen because the bourgeoisie have determined its preferable to extract rent from the government based on existing infrastructure, because to do otherwise would require overturning many of the current economic circumstances their class domination is based on.
>>2856898Flashbanged everyone
>>2856841Died gooning to WMAF
So if you're a communist who's part of another organization, what would be the problem with also joining the DSA on the side? If you're part of some Marxist Leninist group all the more reason to bring your experience over to your local DSA chapter and influence it in that direction
>>2856944>just Join the NSDAP on the sideFuck off Hitler
>>2856944>what would be the problem with also joining the DSA on the side?Nothing, seems like a valid strategy
>>2856957Isn’t he a gay guy with a string of mysteriously dead boyfriends? Like this mother fucker is going around whining about the antichrist and calling The Pope a communist.
If I were a Gnostic I’d say he gives off big Archon energy
>>2856958>Isn’t he a gay guy with a string of mysteriously dead boyfriends? Yes just another fantastic gift of the fags. Real cool because of them we all have to deal with cum soaked sociopath.
>>2856953I'm betting on NEH.
>>2856959Man I’d say that Thiel is Thiel more for his class than his sexuality.
I brought up he’s gay because of the sheer bizarreness of him trying to criticize The Pope on dogma.
>>2856963The gay capitalists are kind of their own unique class of insane. Thiel, Altman, Vance, etc all give off "actual sociopath" energy. Like if Thiel weren't a billionaire he'd definitely be a Jeffrey Dahmer. I'm not sure what it is but maybe due to the taboo of being gay in conservative circles only the most power-hungry soulless assholes climb the ladder of far-right politics while being gay.
>>2856960Social progress doesnt equate to homofash imho. But fascism always seem to have a lot of overlap with faggotry.
>>2856963>Thiel is Thiel more for his class than his sexuality.His hatred of women and heterosexuality is unironically why is the way he is though. Combine that with the slew of these assembly line homofash gringo's were plagued with lately. There's only so many conclusions left to draw.
>>2856957These people are trying to be thrown into a bronze bull for fetish reason. This A.I freaks go back and forth between
>Omg our A.I is so intelligent and uncontrollable. Its so fucking scary and will unseat humanity <WTF are these communist like the pope are saying that A.I should be regulated? >>2856968Thiel is probably a high-functioning sociopath. Doesn't have empathy for other people. But also highly logical, likes science fiction, chess, and mathematics. He's also influenced by Rene Girard who is famous for "mimetic theory," which holds that humans unconsciously imitate the desires of others and that breeds destructive competition. (To apparently escape this, he advises companies to become monopolies.) It's a predatory way of looking at the world.
To what extent him being gay is related to this, idk, everyone's theories are as good as mine. What stands out to me about his early bio is that he grew up in an authoritarian schooling environment in a Nazi-glorifying German community in Apartheid South Africa. Probably an intensely homophobic environment! Enforced with bullying and violence. He probably had to repress his own emotions in that kind of place and really detach. I think he might have some contradictory combination of being shaped by the values of that kind of society from an early age but also mixed in with emotional repression at the same time. He destroyed Gawker for outing him. He waited 10 years and got REVENGE.
There were gay Nazis as well in Germany but you have to remember that Germany had a pretty authoritarian culture. The country was essentially united and modernized by the Prussian army which then tried to transform the problems resulting from the lack of democracy inside the country, the growing threat of working-class movements there, by externalizing the contradictions into external warfare. That blew up catastrophically during World War I.
>>2856973>basing your opinion of an entire group by whether they repress their issues or talk about them which somehow inconveniences youhot take but gay people are just people and you're just a douche.
>>2856975No u prick. I'm really tired of everyone acting like they need to involve the whole wide world in their sex life. The incels, the femcels, hons, gigachads, the gigastacies. The whatever. Also another thing I notice is gay guys have a fucking sense of humor and don't make it a pain to interact with them from my experience.
>>2856975Meh, I'll stick up for him. So what, even if that is kind of douchey (I don't care) it doesn't really affect gay people in some kind of negative way for someone to be basically indifferent to what they do. Very early on I thought trying to seek validation by heterosexuals wasn't the right approach. That's not an anti-heterosexual statement, it's more about self-respect. Internal as opposed to external. The primary enemy was never outright homophobes BTW, it was the closet. It keeps you in a weird state of self-loathing.
>>2856965>>2856968I remember reading that some early fascists had a weird kind of homophilia—like they were obsessed with the virality of men specifically, and there was apparently some early futurist/fascist movie about the creation of some ubermensch through machinery. Very Freudian, like men rendering women “obsolete” to create the fascist future.
I think there’s a recurring theme of that in fascists and the gay ones exemplify it the most because they don’t paradoxically also want to fuck women. Like it’s a total rejection of the feminine, they feel kind of repressed by it, like they want to go out and kill Orcs but see the feminine as saying “Nooo, just talk, just try to make peace!”
>>2856980>So what, even if that is kind of douchey (I don't care) it doesn't really affect gay people in some kind of negative way for someone to be basically indifferent to what they do. What is the non-douchey option? I'm for gay rights and anti discrimination. How much more does someone need to be invested after that?
I think this world is going fucking crazy with the internet because people are always talking about sex, sex, sex, and all this psychodrama crap. You know, traditionally that kind of stuff was mostly something you would talk about with people you personally know. Now everyone is trying to involve the whole world with that and it seems to be taking up an undue amount of attention when there are a lot more pressing matters we are facing right now.
>>2856977the reason gay people don't "bitch about being lonely" is because the average gay man has 20-30 sexual partners throughout their life. gay men have no trouble getting laid, so why would they complain about it?
conversely a couple of my friends are lesbians and they have endless problems in their love lives and inability to find a partner. they talk exactly like incels do lol, complaining about women ghosting them and playing mind games and just general shitty dating behaviors. you just don't go to their spaces because you spend all your time in 99% male spaces like leftypol and think you're somehow a victim for having to hear men complain about their dating problems on male platforms
>>2856980I take more exception to the idea that "good sexuality" is repressing yourself just because it might annoy a normie. Yes there's a time and place for expression, obviously don't just be having gay sex in public, but people should be allowed to talk about their issues and not be shunned for being "whiny". The "just go to therapy" bullshit is just a way for normalfags to dismiss the problems of everyone else for not fitting the NPC mold. it's outsourcing empathy to cold corporate professionals. like imagine how many whiteys were telling MLK to "just go to therapy" instead of agitating and doing activism lmao. I find it to be extremely annoying in general but especially when one group is elevated above others for "keeping their problems to themselves" as a means of shaming everyone else.
>>2856983How is society at large going to solve your personal relationship dynamics with this or that individual? What law do you want to be passed that would solve those? What makes it a public issue?
>>2856984If it's a society-induced problem how is it not a public issue?
>>2856985If it is it is. Like I said if there is some kind of law to be passed, than it's a public issue. If it's just bitching or moaning about how this persons acts or doesn't act and it doesn't rise to the level where it needs to be outlawed, like rape, murder, harassment, battery, etc. then that's a problem you need to personally address, the government can't solve it for you.
>>2856982>What is the non-douchey option? I'm for gay rights and anti discrimination. How much more does someone need to be invested after that?I think it might healthy to have some indifference for the underlying reasons why people do what they do. It's more about what they do. There's a current among LGBT types that other people need to validate them and give them medals for existing and that sort of thing, but I always have to ask, don't you value yourself? (It helps to also go out and meet somebody.) But there's a Catholic word, "supererogatory." It's not bad but it goes beyond what is necessary. I don't think it's required for you to, like, "get involved in the community."
>>2856983>I take more exception to the idea that "good sexuality" is repressing yourself just because it might annoy a normie. True but I'm doing more of a stoic thing. He gave the example of the incels. The incels think the stacies are the main problem. There are all these people having ludicrous turf wars with other people. Or TERF wars. But who cares what J.K. Rowling thinks of trans people? It's better to have attitude that goes like, well she's a bitch so fuck her. Also the incels' real problem is internal to the incels. Their real enemy is within. An interesting thing culturally is gay anthems which are not about defeating external enemies but the internal stuff that is holding you back from living authentically. That's how I see it anyways and why this stuff hits hard. Freedom is only when you really, truly stop caring what the normies think.
>>2856983>you spend all your time in 99% male spaces like leftypol and think you're somehow a victim for having to hear men complain about their dating problems on male platformsNo, I mean all groups, I just included incel in there. I also don't really mean leftypol, I think it's a widespread problem how much the sex issue in all forms is taking up the public discourse. I wish we could put it aside for now as much as possible and work on fixing the real problems, which as I think you were pointing out, is downstream from like the economy.
>>2856986well regarding the incel problem the government could start by banning dating apps. i think that's actually a societal problem where capitalism has gameified dating to such a degree that the people on these apps are just getting more of a dopamine fix from swiping and anonymously judging strangers than from actually going out on dates.
we could also do shit like fixing beauty standards to be more equitable. inceldom predominantly affects black and brown men contrary to what the media tells you. that's literally an issue of widespread societally-enforced racism. talk to lesbians and the same shit is widespread: white lesbians have a MUCH easier time finding a long term partner than any other race of lesbian. hell you can log onto grindr and see that gay men are even more explicitly racist in their dating practices. many of them will straight up post "whites only" on their profile and no one bats an eye according to one of my friends.
I don't claim to have all the answers but at the very least there's enough evidence that it is a societal issue that should be discussed and not just written off as whiny. I think it increasingly is something that Gen Z in particular are struggling with, so maybe the Left should have some kind of platform regarding fixing widespread loneliness as a means of building popularity? Like I remember UBI was a popular topic during Covid and the Left somehow totally flopped by "ignoring" it while millions of Americans were on the brink of poverty because it didn't fit our strict platform. I think that was a huge optics fail by not redirecting UBI conversations into universal housing etc. We should take advantage of Capitalism's contradictions and use our solutions to appeal to the material needs of the proles not just throw up our hands and act like it's not our problem imo.
>>2856973>Seems like they really got it all figured out and I'm happy for them. I don't know what goes on in there community much and I'm glad I don't knowI apologize for my dramatic language. That was too strong a wording. I am interested in reading about any kind of persons experiences, I'm enjoy representation in media. I think I clarified myself overall in subsequent posts.
>>2856981I’ll add on to this: to psychologize a bit, I think a lot of modern fascism can be explained by a fear and hatred of femininity. Maybe historical fascism too (that Brownshirt who had nightmares of socialist women swallowing him) but I think we’re most familiar with the minds of modern fash.
Like a recurring trope in their screeds is something like willpower being restrained by shame. “We COULD just kill all the migrants and be done with it, but we’re shamed into not doing that!” Like the whole great replacement myth is predicated on the idea that non-white migration is an existential threat, but the chief reason we don’t “do anything about it” is because of fear of being called racists, and likely some social engineering by “the Jews.” Fascism then is presented as “liberatory” to its adherents because it’s conceptually some “freedom from shame”—the dream of the Fascist is to imagine some woman or otherwise effeminate coded figure nagging them for saying something racist, only to grab them by the throat and assert the primacy of muscle over mouth.
And so it also makes sense why these tech fascists are so into AI (as an aside, Elon tried to make sure all of his children are male, the one he hates transitioned to female) because in a way that’s creating a being without the perception of the feminine. That AI doesn’t have an internal world or emotion isn’t a bug, it’s a feature to them. They picture the T-1000 crushing a human skull in Gaza and it gets them rock hard—just pure machinery exterminating human life on a mass scale. No emotion or regret, no susceptibility for human error. If Israel wants Gaza the robots would exterminate all life there in a day, then settlers could come in and build strip malls.
Sam Altman, if it needs to be remembered, literally wants to kill his body and upload his consciousness onto a machine. They don’t care about humanity, because humans are born from women—which they despise—and they’re trying to birth the perfect little robot boy.
>>2856987>Also the incels' real problem is internal to the incels. Their real enemy is within.Is it? Is it really though? I don't think gay anthems are the reason gay incels don't exist. The reason they don't exist is because gay men are more forgiving of autism than straight women. They find boyish immaturity to be cute and not ick. That's all it is. Incel problems aren't internal so much as they fail to live up to society's expectations of what a man is and are punished for it because their desired sex are unforgiving in their adherence to social rules being a reproductive marker.
I mean you hear stuff like "be a man" all the time, and while we can blame "the patriarchy" all we want it's still a strict behavioral expectation enforced by men and women alike, often subconsciously while publicly they promote equality. Like even in the workforce if you don't give deference to female coworkers like doing all the (literal) heavy lifting you will be ostracized or looked at as a freak because "men lift things for women". The fact is men are in constant competition with eachother to not be left behind by society which is why there's this endless subculture of male influencers calling things "gay" and "feminine" and telling you what you can and can't do, because they're desperate to get ahead of the ever-expanding social rules for men and not be the one ostracized. They had this whole crusade against men wearing makeup because they're terrified of being left behind by society if men did start wearing makeup. They spent years pushing the carnivore diet and demonizing "soy" because they felt insecure about Millennials and Zoomers increasingly being into exotic foods and "being a picky eater" becoming an ick. It's all just insecurity all the way down.
>>2856989>hell you can log onto grindr and see that gay men are even more explicitly racist in their dating practices. many of them will straight up post "whites only" on their profile and no one bats an eye according to one of my friends.Oh yeah. And I don't think anyone cares. I got shot down brutally once (to my face) by someone who doesn't date white guys. He just told me that. But it was his decision.
It's about personal agency. Maybe gay culture is shaped historically by the majority saying you can't do this, and then you're like actuallly I will. You can't tell people who they should sleep with. I actually do believe in this personally, you shouldn't judge people for not wanting to date people of different races, but it's from the perspective of sexual autonomy. Maybe a person's reasno is racist but maybe someone who doesn't want to do that will meet someone from another race one day and it'll hit him in his feels, which also does happen. But if you get rejected and are like "this was unfair, he should date me and if he doesn't that's…" just sounds weird.
>>2856989>well regarding the incel problem the government could start by banning dating appsYou would just have to ban social media altogether. That's fucking crazy dude.
>we could also do shit like fixing beauty standards to be more equitable. That's not something you can legislate. Maybe you could influence people through media.
>I don't claim to have all the answers but at the very least there's enough evidence that it is a societal issue that should be discussed and not just written off as whiny. I think it increasingly is something that Gen Z in particular are struggling with, so maybe the Left should have some kind of platform regarding fixing widespread loneliness as a means of building popularity?Maybe weu could fix loneliness by getting people together to work on the other more pressing issues. Poverty, capitalism, climate change, habitat loss, pollution, etc.
>>2856994>But if you get rejected and are like "this was unfair, he should date me and if he doesn't that's…" just sounds weird.I agree with p much your entire post but at the same time I think a lot of people's sexual preferences are shaped by the media they consume and the communities they immerse themselves in. Like obviously a /pol/tard who was indoctrinated into it from the age of 12 will be a raging racist until they escape that shithole. People are shaped by their experiences and when they don't have experiences they just imagine them by consuming media instead.
That is all to say I think while it's inappropriate to get mad at someone for not dating you over something petty(just call them a bitch and move on) there is absolutely an element of societal manipulation at play that should be countered on a larger scale imo and not just an individual level. This can only really be done through creating good media. Of course with shit like Gamergate 2 being all about "woke DEI slop" there's a huge lesson to be learned about not overdoing it and not seeming insincere/hostile towards your own audience. But I sincerely believe a lot of the west's ridiculous dating issues can be resolved by just shutting off Hollywood and social media.
>>2856995>Maybe weu could fix loneliness by getting people together to work on the other more pressing issues. Poverty, capitalism, climate change, habitat loss, pollution, etc.the issue I take with this is people really underestimate how much social fulfillment is integral to generating optimism and a willingness to fight for the future. If you have no personal allies or people close to you, why would you try to help your community? You're essentially engaging in a self-sacrificial crusade with no real hope of your own conditions improving or having anything to protect.
bit of a tangent but one example I'm reminded of is how governments exploit the draft being exclusive to men because having a woman back home to protect makes them fight harder and also less likely to desert/mutiny. if they put women on the frontlines, despite the increased manpower, it would be LESS efficient as soldiers would be more likely to mutiny to protect their loved one from seeing combat. solving loneliness is not the #1 issue but I think it is a side issue that could bring people towards a more optimistic/leftist/humanist worldview. maybe we need hot goth girls standing in front of DSA buildings recruiting lonely men lol.
>>2856997Eh I think we just need to bring back casual open access party supported social activities.
>>2856998People do that then the shut ins here relentlessly mock them lol. There was some DSA chapter in Florida I think who posted a picture on their insta of them painting rocks and people here were furious.
>>2856999well can we have social events that aren't just appealing to like, cultural misanthropes whom are afraid of offending total strangers?
DSA bikini contests when?
>>2857000>>2856998I unironically advocated for Socialist rec leagues as a way to get in shape and bond as comrades.
Now as a joke, I'll ironically advocate for the DSA Brocialist caucus. Just vidya, RPGs, and board games.
>>2857015>israel comes to me in my dreamsholy shit at that schizo speech.
zionists are truly deranged.
>>2857025Trump set a precedent that being a felon wouldn't stop someone from running for president and being sworn in only to then pardon himself.
>>2857026Yeah but Democrats are obsessed with respectability, proper process, etc
>>2857026but trump is trump, and democrats are "the adults in the room"
>>2857029That's increasingly changing as centrist Dems are being radicalized by their contempt for Trump.
>>2856989Ideally a socialist state could have a matchmaking app where people can meet based on attributes that are not out of their control such as height, facial features or ethnicity. The matchmaking can be done based on personal values, personality and interests. (Yes you could add a filter possibly based on how athletic you want your match to be or may include body fat percentage because those attributes are controlable.)
>>2856989>bumble>filtering heights>feminist dating appUnironic girlboss eugenics
>>2857037I don't think matchmaking apps have any value at all really. Inevitably humans will find a way to game the system. Even if you prevent filters for certain traits people will just say "put your height in your profile or you're a manlet" which is what happens in all the dating apps that don't have a height filter. Socialist matchmaking should focus on real world events and just encouraging people to interact with their local comrades. Loneliness kind of solves itself at that point.
I am surprised none of these socialist parties have organized their own version of GDQ or someshit though. There's a huge amount of nerdy leftists that want cool events to meet other leftists that aren't just protests.
>>2857038>Bumbleis that the one that forbid men from messaging first to protect women from harassment, only for women to break the system by only sending a . or a copy/paste to force the man to initiate the convo anyway?
>>2857040i got married to my highschool girlfriend like some kind of time traveler from the 1950s and I literally know only one other couple that did that. i can't imagine having to put up with dating apps in my 20s like people in my age cohort did
>>2857044>i got married to my highschool girlfriend like some kind of time traveler from the 1950s and I literally know only one other couple that did that. i can't imagine having to put up with dating apps in my 20s like people in my age cohort didI always knew. The happiest couples I ever saw were the ones who did that. Oh well, ce'st la vie.
>>2856246>the whole sting operation/predator hunter streamer community are just a bunch of psychopathssting operations are psycho even when cops do it. it's just a pretense. cops use sting operations and undercover operations to get away with rape, sexual assault, drug usage, etc.
I watched a video an anon posted here with a lawyer saying why you should never talk to cops, and then after he gives his lecture a cop backs him up but the piggy isn't able to control himself. at one point he admits basically everyone breaks the law driving, so if you really hate someone's guts and want to arrest them it's just a matter of stalking them until they make a small fuckup you can use as an excuse.
>>2857044Same. I'd hate being on the dating market because I know I'd fumble it
yankpol status?
>>2856962If true it's odd that he shills/propagate "effeminate" stuff like red scare podcast, looksmaxxing, pro-neurodivergent rethoric and petty gender wars that mainly appeal to women. Very underwhelming cultural output from such a culture obsessed guy overhal. And it's not like he even created these things he just threw money at it when it was becoming popular, or sometimes after it's peak popularity like with RS.
>>2856965Altman is a standard west-coast librul and Vance isnt gay, i don't believe a white closeted RW gay guy would marry a brown woman and have children with her. I actually find him distinctly heterosexual.
>>2856968>His hatred of womenThat's fanfiction. He have tons of women business partner some of them even running his companies. Gay misogynist theory don't work for Thiel.
Leftist, feminists and tradcons like to headcanon gynophobic ernst rohm type but 90% of gay men, including right-wing ones, get along with women much better than their straight counterpart, and are also far less misogynistic.
>>2856981Early fascist believed in ton of stuff that would be super weird and off in any RW movement that came after them. I think it's Marienetti that was pro FtM transitioning the women for example. They actually had a completely alien morality up until ᴉuᴉlossnW cucked to the crown, the church and the tradcon populace.
>>2857049My parents were high school sweet hearts and had a very messy divorce that cost both of them lots of money.
Doesn't seem worth it.
>>2857040Promoting dating within a party sounds like a disaster.
Do you know how many lefties these days are genderqueer poly and will fuck anything that moves? Almost all of them.
The social fallout from these relationships is awful. Promoting it is a mistake.
Party members should be banned from dating and sexual interactions with each other.
>>2857124>Party members should be banned from dating and sexual interactions with each other.ftfy. Retain your semen for the revolutionary moment.
>>2857124Both the Bolsheviks and the PLA encouraged their members to marry within the party to develop camaraderie. Many old Marxist parties operated in bars and coffeehouses and were like social clubs for people to spend time and develop long term friendships and relationships.
Americans are so fucking neurotic it's so annoying lol. I would argue this is a symptom of societal decay and Capitalist brainrot but I kinda don't care I'm just sick of people normalizing being a misanthrope.
>>2857040Dating other party members is a lot like dating your coworker, It's all fun and games until they fuck you over and use you as leverage to secure a promotion
>>2857077Clearly junked and gunked. Quality of discussion is in the pits
>>2857131The bolsheviks werent in trans autistic polycules
>>2857142THIS!
Do you know how many "coups" ive seen in small parties based on leveraging sexual harrasment claims against two people that had an intimate relationships?
Its fuckin retarded.
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