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>>2855671DSA will fail in it’s attempt to do the tea party stuff to the democrats, you’re never gonna find your trump figure
>>2857419You can’t bend capital or the bourgeois apparatus to your political will, it’s impossible
>>2857418boomers are dying off, cold war brainwashed boomers, we live in a post cold war world were people cant afford to live, they cant buy houses, or food, or medicine. We live in a post 2008 world.
trump is the last gasp of boomer politics, after him its nothing but hyper online millennial and zoomer politicians like vance, aoc, and mamdani
>>2857424Logan Paul will be president then
i will run as president
>>2857410>how do we revive the class warClass war never ends until it is abolished by the revolutionary proletariat and the correct material conditions. Or until everyone is dead.
>how do we build a better country for the future workers including (obviously) indigenous and POCYou don’t.
>please don't fight over partiesI do not like Democrats very much.
>>2857419I think the DSA is destined to become America's SPD (or at least to be the immediate predecessor to such an organization). That sounds like a bad thing and in part it is, but it's important to remember that there would have been no KPD without an SPD to lay its foundations. The question of reform vs revolution is a question of how to direct the worker's movement, but if there's no movement to direct then its purely academic.
Workers and capitalists are equally the enemy, the workers an appendage of capital, willing and eager collaborators
>>2857426Im voting for Mr. Beast
>>2857450Nothing from inside the system, our comrades are hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, and animals with a taste for human flesh
>>2857441are you ever going to tell this to people who haven't heard it before
>>2857427Your average voter on the upcoming election
Jayden Sanchez
>>2857405harriet tubman? treatler. she just wanted more treats for the blackkk herrenvolkkk while her former masters continued to kill indigenous through klanifest destiny
john brown? treatler. he was a petty bourgeois christofascist settleroid with 20 settleroid children, he only wanted to free the blackkk herrenvolk so they could own small businesses and be christofascist settlers like him
frederickkk douglass? treatler. christofascist. praised the kkkonstitution of the illegitimate klanmerikkkan government while culturally appropriating marx's beard
eugene debs? sorelian trade unionist fascist treatler
all fascist treatlers in the OP image
>>2857458>culturally appropriating marx's beard+1 kek
>>2857466who said it:
>"experience demonstrates that there may be a slavery of wages only a little less galling and crushing in its effects than chattel slavery, and that this slavery of wages must go down with the other"marx or douglas?
>PLA texbook asymmetric psychological warfare
this is what i call it when i act like a brat on the tor node
>>2857482Ehh I think they just like gaudy shit and think “more flyovers = betterer”
>>2857484its a bit of both. they think its a dominance tactic.
>>2857484Oh I'm sure that's part of that. But as someone who's lived near DC all my life and consider it kind of a second home, the sheer amount of animosity that rightoids have for the city is the kind usually reserved for third world countries. They fucking HATE this place, it embodies everything they despise about America and want to remove. A liberal district with a lot of public employees, a sizeable woke black population, and an active queer community. Plus, you know, it's a city. They hate it so much that people who lives thousands of miles away and would never set foot in the city if they weren't in congress are constantly trying to pass laws restricting shit here. It cannot be stressed enough that these people think DC is Sodom on earth, even more so than New York and LA
>>2857456It couldn't be more fitting that you play a game where you're a literal parasitic monster who lives on the blood and suffering of others, and I doubt you see the irony in this at all.
>>2857495No but see as communists we should also oppose this because every hour of work week we reduce is one million dead third world babies. It's called Marxism sweaty
>>2857495Fox News understands that in order to build hospitals and schools in the USA, you have to blow up hospitals and schools elsewhere, to bring jobs back to the USA, you have to fire people elsewhere. it's a zero sum game you see. don't question this. you just want more worms for the herring folk
honkoid status?
>>2857498Ironically fox news has a better understanding of how Imperialism actually works than any of you so called Communists do
>>2857507>Ironically fox news has a better understanding of how Imperialism actually works than any of you so called Communists doFelix News
hosted by Sakai Carlson
>>2857509J SaKKKai was a fed.
>>2857507Wew, that's a spicy hot take you got there! Would sure be a shame if someone asked you to back up your statements
>>2857510>J SaKKKai was a fed.he was your coworker? small world
>>2857507do you think the US ruling class doesn't understand how their imperialism work?
from the intercept to cnn, from oan to nyt, from nyp to cnbc; they all know.
fox news understands it. they won't dwell into explaining it to their viewers.
in there we know what they don't to explain. or else, you won't be here.
>>2857498>it's a zero sum game you seethe problem is it shouldn't be that.
>>2857514>i only care about immediate self benefit, not communismWe knew
It's actually surprising that none of you understand imperialism given how this forum is specifically set up to protect imperialists and perpetuate their ideas.
>>2857521Of course, getting called "lazy" by a bunch of idiots who's "job" is it to repeat whatever lies they are told to say for money.
Seriously, every accusation by a conservative is projection.
>>2857525How about you stop being spooked, you fed. The only people who benefit from imperialism are the bourgeoisie not the American worker.
You are literally repeating conservative talking points repainted in "anti-imperialist" rhetoric.
>>2857527You're an anarchist, literally the only left wing thing you can ever do is die screaming. Do not lecture me on ideology.
>>2857530Of course I can you retard and I'm an egoist. The thrid-world is not going to thank you for posting on an a obscure image board and they doesn't even know you exist. Again anyone who follows "Third-Worldism" is a self-hating westerner still being spooked by their protestant upbringing and believing in a secular version of "Original Sin".
TL;DR stop being spooked.
TWist ultra tankies seething once again lmfao.
this is a zohran squad board. we ARE voting.
>>2857525You still haven't answered how Fox News supposedly has a better understanding of imperialism than us
guys, we're Democrats here. get the fuck over it.
>>2857405lefty/pol/ is the original dark woke. anyone else ever pointed that out?
The atmosphere here is like 2018-2019 with DSA wins and Bernie announcing his run in 2019. Maybe it will go differently this time
>>2857518>i make up things nobody saidwe knew
>>2857539Kinda except we're much more prepared to fight and/or kill people because that's apparently how you get anything done
>>2857525meh, americans don't benefits from imperialism.
many, though, keep the system running believing they will be part of a group that only exists through inheritance and discriminatory policies.
>>2857542Electoralism is but one of many tools in the revolutionary arsenal
>>2857543>picadd inflation, take into account unemployment and the prison system, and it suddenly all becomes very clear
>>2857544For you it's the only one
>>2857539Its just a question of having realistic expectations for what good the DSA can do and what its limitations are.
>>2857547actually you think that, not me. and if you deny it, it's proof i'm right. you're on the defensive now. refute my accusations.
>>2857552>refute my accusations.I don't need to, you're a retard who's going to wind up voting for the DSA time and time again
>>2857555actually you're DSA. i'm a real communist. you just want more worms for your herring folk
>>2857555so you just get to make up shit about other people all day got it
>>2857560A: Conservatives think that if you're ODing you probably should just die to "stop being a drain on society"
B: Some idiots think "well if there's no risk involved even MORE people will do drugs!"
>>2857516>the problem is it shouldn't be that.no you see, by blowing up a hospital in gaza, it teleports the bricks to the USA and creates a new hospital. for anything good to happen here, something bad must happen elsewhere. it's a law of physics. there is no other way you stupid moralist. you just want more treats for your 600000000000 lb funko pop video game porn watching doobly doobly blah blah blah
DONT TRY TO DENY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT, AND IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE
>>2857560>why are rightoids evil scum that just want people to diegee i wonder
>>2857501President Graham Platner: The Tech Giant Trust Buster
Imagine if President Graham Platner ends up as imperialistic as Teddy Roosevelt but with a different justification
>>2857521Reminder that Trump press secretary Karoline Leavitt literally married a boomer for his money.
>>2857573he would implement actual real commerninsm. we must vote
>>2857581diddy ahh blud situation is crazy
https://nitter.net/petersterne/status/2072800821494858021 (xcancel is down for me currently)
DSA is growing really fast all of a sudden. The Google Sheets chart linked is laid out a little strange imo, so here's a version for retards:
>>2857569>>2857569This but unironically. You see the more CIA funded right wing terrorists like cartel members move to the USA, the more the USAno is subjected to the conditions he creates for everyone else, the more reactionary the US becomes, the more justified the USAno is in having bad things happen to them, and the worse things become. You will cry that this is a "self fulfilling prophecy" but that's a good thing. It is good thing when bad people become worse, because it proves they were bad. It is good when bad things happen to bad people, because it makes them even more bad, thus justifying the bad things that happen to them. I don't even care if the USA collapses or not. I just want revenge at this point.
TLDR:
Americans are bad people
I hope bad things happen to them
I hope they become even more bad as a result, so more bad things happen to them
>>2857589DSA seems viable so it is exploding. It has already surpassed the original SPA in membership.
>>2857558Personally I like pickled herring on crackers, or smoked herring on toast with onions.
>>2857589Regarding the DSA popularity uptick, let us recall some facts.
First congress of RSDLP had <10 delegates, all got arrested.
1905 about 8,400 bolsheviks. In Petrograd some 800.
1906 about 13,000.
1907 – 46,100.
Peak membership before a period of harsh repression. (we are approaching this point). The 5th Congress in London noted their majority status.
1908–1912 – dropped to a few thousand. A period of intense reaction and police repression following the failed 1905 revolution. Membership plummeted. For example, Moscow's membership dropped from 500 to 150 in 1909. The Petrograd organization fell from 8,000 members in 1907 to only 3,000 by 1908. Similar drastic drops were seen in Yekaterinburg (1,070 to 250) and Ivanovo-Voznesensk (2,000 to 600). The Bolsheviks themselves were reduced to a small, underground cadre of hardened revolutionaries, with estimates placing them in the "few hundreds or several thousand"
1912- 1917. Data unavailable. It's estimated that the party's size before 1914 was between 5,000 and 10,000
Feb 1917 – 23,600. Just before the February Revolution, the party was a small, disciplined underground organization.
April 1917 – 79,000.
July 1917 – 240.000
Oct 1917 – up to 400.000
>>2857606Hardly a surprise that this insane anti-communist board would compare the social-fascist DᛋᛋA with the party that gave birth to the Bolsheviks.
>>2857609DSA = RSDLP
the one true vanguard inside the DSA = bolsheviks inside the RSDLP
hardly surprising that people here don't know the history of russian revolutionary social-democracy
the split is happening as we speak and you would do good to hasten the "split in democratic socialism" so to say, but you are blind to actual ongoing processes. dogmatist.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/oct/x01.htm When right-deviation accuse you of being a left-deviation, and the left-deviation accuse you of being a right-deviation, baby, you know it, you're in the Marxist Center.
When the revisionists of the Right
Declare I'm spooked by Trotsky today,
Or a vanguard leftist bloc out of sight
Decrypts my takes as bourgeois decay,
When a fascist in the system's clock,
Claims I've traded Marx in for stock
Between the screaming rocket
And dialectics out-of-pocket.
All paranoids unhinge,
Newsslop they binge
They light a joint,
And collapse to a point
So let the left flank call me right,
And the right flank call me left,
Where have been brains now there is blight
With Father Time they have not kept up.
>>2857589>>2857601what will happen is that a DSA candidate will win on 2032, they will do nothing, and then 3x hitler will win 2036
let's fuckin vote. are you ready leftypol???
>>2857569How come 21st Century Communists talk and look like the villain from an anime?
>>2857539>The atmosphere here is like 2018-2019 with DSA wins and Bernie announcing his run in 2019. Maybe it will go differently this timeWRONG! The atmosphere here is like 1905 with the defeat of the Russian Empire by Imperial Japan. Hoplefully things will go the same as last time
but then differently after that so Soviet America isn't dissolvedRead Lenin.
>>2857672Not all of them, but there’s a cohort that basically wants to get revenge on their parents and so pride themselves on scaring the hoes.
>>2857564>no you see, by blowing up a hospital in gaza, it teleports the bricks to the USA and creates a new hospital.
<Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.<This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. <The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. <It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . . <This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. >>2857681yeeeeeeeeees. mamdani is lenin. aoc is trotsky. uhh fuggen bernie is stalin
>>2857681will we overthrow our government with mosin nagants and soldiers on horseback? no
is our revolutionary leader being exiled to alaska only to easily escape? no
is our population being drafted and dying by the millions in trenches? no
are we semi feudal? no
do we have some kind of figure in the government who is trying to modernize and catch up like stolypin? no
do we have something like the SRs, mensheviks, and bolsheviks? no
do we have a figure like kerensky? no
plot twist: we are qing china
>>2857684fuhrer einstazgroyper warning against the MIC because he wanted more AOC smh
>>2857684I mean the premise of that quote is that by spending so much on the military and war we’re neglecting infrastructure at home. The third worldist view is that by building the infrastructure here we’re just de facto robbing it from elsewhere—ie “you built a hospital, now the military has to destroy two hospitals overseas”. Basically it presumes that any spending on infrastructure is matched by equal or greater spending on the military defacto, and so pursuing infrastructure spending means you’re pursuing military spending.
>>2857657There's a part of me that feels like for the last eight years, the best way to get your viewpoint/party/whatever to be popular is for you to have no power. It used to be a shitpost about overly online commies never liking AES, but nowadays it applies to everyone, and not just in the context of AES.
In (bourgeois) democracies, the incumbent used to have an advantage. Now he has a disadvantage.
>>2857681this but unironically
>>2857697Critical support for buildozers
>>2857697Still fucking wild that Ben Shapiro gloated about Corrie’s death.
>>2857701settlements ROCK
don't like it? I got bombs. simple as.
high rents ROCK
don't like it? I got fire insurance. simple as.
>>2857564>no you see, by blowing up a hospital in gaza, it teleports the bricks to the USA and creates a new hospital.I mean it literally creates new real estate investment opportunities abroad which indirectly translates into wealth in the US which eventually reflects on your 401k or your small savings accounts. Sure, random americans are getting less and less of the spoils but that is a symptom that has been worsening relatively recently. Like if you really believe that the US is bombing people abroad for no reason except ideological commitment, you might as well go all the way and believe in all the antisemitic stuff noticers do, because it's just as magical.
>>2857703>Like if you really believe that the US is bombing people abroad for no reason except ideological commitment, you might as well go all the way and believe in all the antisemitic stuff noticers do, because it's just as magical.the US government and tech overlords are currently rugpulling 401k retirement accounts by fast tracking them to invest in overvalued stocks that are about to crash. meanwhile the M3W hypothesis is that literal bourgeois owned MIC companies bomb the third world to fill middle class 401 Ks, instead of for…. profit for themselves
>>2857704People say that the US is too old to have a civil war but that is ridiculous if the young people needed for the war is dissatisfied with no incentive to save the system. Boomers will end up a liability if anything when it happens
>>2857706>the US government and tech overlords are currently rugpulling 401k retirement accounts by fast tracking them to invest in overvalued stocks that are about to crash.This is a contradiction, sure, but this is a result of diminishing returns of profit across the board except from a couple of industries where the US still somewhat retains dominance of. Literally only AI and real estate yield profit, and look, it is tech overlords and real estate developers calling the shots right now, how odd. What the trump admin has been doing is trying to square the circle, on one end by re-creating protected industries through tariffs (an impossible task), and second, by unimaginable violence abroad, of which we've only seen the beginning.
>>2857704um IGNORE this poll
revolution is NOT happening, OK?
civil war is NOT happenign, OK?
when they say "resort to violence" they mean more plunder against the real humans in exchange for treats. STOP TRYING TO CONVINCE ME REVOLUTION IS GOOD FOR ME, IT'S NOT, OK?!?!
>>2857704There will be no revolution until amerifats can't have food or gas.
>>2857687A better comparison is that the US is 1980s USSR with a geniocracy. The American Gorby is going to crash land the country with no survivors
>>2857717Surveillance firms like Palantir or Flock are being built and integrated into society to prevent any uprising
>>2857724why doesn't the left have goth baddies? why is leftypol avoiding this question? what is going on?
>>2857729>>2857726And btw, now defunct. These are the people who are saying:
>but what about Bernie 2016! Your strategy has been proven to not work!Well, they had a good run accomplishing ??? By harassing DSA candidates
MLMAO!DSA won the war.
DSA
1 MLM LARPers
0 >>2857736Go ask Houdini to hook you up.
>>2857736I could be looking in the wrong place but I don't really see young women in public mingling anymore lol.
>>2857726Eh, the Red Guards smashed a different right-wing group on a later occasion. Can't bother to track down the video (if it's still available), it was a group called the Texas Nomads who were methed-out MAGA agitator types. Same guys who filmed this
>>2857729 video. They would follow the Red Guards around (and other demonstrations) and some of the Red Guards broke off from the march and assaulted them and busted their faces open:
https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/woman-arrested-as-protesters-clash-in-southeast-austin/269-a19cf494-dac6-4b27-b062-64d71815a87cBut the Red Guards got pummeled by neo-Nazis in in 2017. Those guys were wrapped up in that 2017-era alt-right stuff, different group. Also the Austin Red Guards don't exist anymore.
>>2857740
If they were just fighting right wingers I would have no problem with them. I guess good on them for winning occasionally whatever they won. So what are the members doing now?
>>2857739That is pretty common nowadays. Even in universities a lot of zoomers are adverse from even partying and drinking.
https://cosmonautmag.com/2019/10/criticism-and-self-criticism-red-guards-or-iron-guards/Criticism and Self-Criticism: Red Guards or Iron Guards?
>As socialists, we need to have each other's backs. We all have our differences and they are often of a serious nature. Yet in the end, we should aim to be on the same side of the barricades. The task of building a better world leaves no time for the narcissism of small differences endlessly dividing our own camp. But who exactly is in our own camp? What happens when a group crosses the line and ends up on the other side of the barricades? An example of a group that has done this is the combination of front groups and collectives associated with the organization Red Guards Austin, or Committee for the Reconstitution of the Communist Party USA. Konstantin Sverdlov argues that groups like the Red Guards have fully crossed the line to the point where they deserve to be treated as if they are class enemies just like fascists. By violently attacking other leftist organizations the Red Guards have joined the camp of the class enemy. We must point our guns at the enemy, not at those who fight at our side, even if they use methods we find ineffective or ideologies we find misguided. Yesterday was the anniversary of John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry. John Brown knew to take aim at the slaveocracy, not the moderate Republicans with reformist views. In this sense, we must be like John Brown.
>In the past, I was an outspoken defender of the organization known as Red Guards Austin (RGA) from state repression. Despite many differences with them, I believed that they were genuine revolutionaries who stood on the side of the working class. As of October 12th, 2019, this current can no longer be considered anything but an anti-working class organization bent on the subversion of the class struggle. <The Kansas City affiliate of the Red Guards, moving beyond their usual disruptive and sectarian tactics, physically assaulted and hospitalized an anti-war disabled veteran and socialist during an event highlighting indigenous resistance to the United States. Beating up crippled socialists lol.
>>2857743Idk, I didn't know any of their members. The whole thing was stupid but the Austin ones were a bit more violent and willing to attack than people might assume, also internally inside the org from what people who left it after it broke up have written. It was like a highly abusive control cult. Also they really tried to terrorize other leftists in the city (including armed robbery) that was never public. Their leader was some ex-straightedge "crew" type, like the guys who have X's on their hands.
>>2857698There is no such thing as "revolutionary parliamentarism" for the US in the 2020s. You're not applying historical materialism. Become relevant. Win please.
>>2857543<measuring in dollarsthe entire reason MMT exists is because of the imperial privilege of having a currency with global hegemony lol
>>2857749Given what you consider to be a "leftist", most of them deserve to be robbed, if not worse.
Anyone who would be on your side should get nothing but 55 grains of lead.
>>2857736I read this in tucker voice
>>2857750Reminder: This creature fantasizes about beating up hippies alongside a grizzled Clint Eastwood figure for having the nerve to protest the Vietnam war.
>>2857721That doesn’t prevent them at all. Helps in suppression, but even now they’re being rejected across the country.
>>2857736the left isn't really appealing to women in general. most of them are like center-left at most.
>>2857456I would heavily recommend just reading council communist theory yourself, but here I guess. Ignore the about anarcho syndicalism, that’s bullshit peddled by the likes of Noam Chomsky. It’s very oversimplified.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Council_communism >>2857762Do you even have a source for that?
>Worker’s Party: Null
>>2857766Name one example of revolutionary parliamentarism delivering fruitful results in an industrialized imperialist country in 100 years.
Join the ICP. >>2857755>the entire reason MMT exists is because of the imperial privilege half of africa is forced to use the CFA franc which is pegged to the euro btw
>global hegemony america got btfo in ukraine and hormuz. more like a regional superpower like Russia now
>>2857758
You jinxed it! Still, this has definitely been the best world cup of my lifetime. A lot of upsets and underdog stories.
Communism status?
>>2857778The thing about this is that even if Micheal Roberts is wrong here and there is some kind of value transfer from third to first world labour, the fact that Marxist economists that study imperialism professionally can't agree on the question really demolishes the treatler narrative. Most of the time burger workers don't even have a good enough grasp of their immediate economic interests to form a union or vote centre-left. Yet somehow we're meant to believe that they have an instinctual and natural grasp of something so abstract and esoteric that people who study it for a living can't even agree on how it works.
>>2857756If you knew who they had been robbing then you probably wouldn't say that. Their views were probably closer to yours than mine. (With a possible exception being that you shouldn't do stickup robbery against other people for minor ultra-left ideological differences).
>>2857778yes yes yes true real and that is why there are no goth baddies on the left
>>2857779>Most of the time burger workers don't even have a good enough grasp of their immediate economic interests to form a union or vote centre-left"They do not know it, but they do it"
>>2857783if AOC pulled this for her presidential campaign she'd win in a landslide. too bad she's a coward.
>>2857781If these people know you and haven't shot you, they're reactionaries and should be dealt with.
>>2857778Americans both benefit from imperialism and are exploited by domestic capitalism, this is incredibly obvious and anyone who doubts it has never seen America's low prices compared to wages on commodities, rent and fuel. This is the nature of imperialism
>>2857786tell me why one united states dollar buys me more fuel in mexico than in texas
>>2857787Currency depreciation maintained through dollar hegemony
>>2857783>>2857785HAHAHAHA someone should make this into a short animated skit
>>2857789>Currency depreciation nice guess? america has interest in making its currency stronger because its an import nation. there's no depreciation going on, which is against WTO rules anyway. China is the one devaluing its currency
>>2857791Moron, it's due to the relative strength against the peso which is depreciated
Fuck off and read Marx
>>2857792thanks for contributing to my original point that workers in america dont benefit from that. the only workers benefiting from the arrangement you describe are american workers earning dollars and living in mexico. dollars are worth less inside the U.S to american workers than those outside the country
>>2857534>this is a zohran squad board. we ARE votingFight Agency Squad so far:
Fetterman: votes for Israel
Zohran: votes for Israel
Platner: probably will also vote for Israel
>>2857564>by blowing up a hospital in gaza, it teleports the bricks to the USA and creates a new hospitalone of the most basic aspects of how capitalism works lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_destruction#By_Karl_Marx>IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE"I agree with my fellow Jacobin-reading Zionist allies in the Abundance movement. We can achieve Fully Automated Luxury Space Communism if we dream and imagine a radical alternative of Elon Musk's space colonization AI being woke. Read my art zine about my utopia of pagan decolonized solarpunk in our sex temple islands" - DSA Manbun Caucus
>>2857692>The third worldist view is that by building the infrastructure here we’re just de facto robbing it from elsewhereguy who insists he's not an out of touch labor aristocrat: "fossil fuels are magically generated at my local gas pumps"
- https://www.greenleft.org.au/2025/1428/world/israel-and-gulf-states-two-pillars-us-fossil-capitalism
- https://www.hamptonthink.org/read/sketching-a-theory-of-fossil-imperialism
>>2857534True we are a Marxist board so we denounce abstention from voting.
> The revolutionary workers of the Latin countries had been wont to regard the suffrage as a snare, as an instrument of government trickery.< It was different in Germany. The Communist Manifesto had already proclaimed the winning of universal suffrage, of democracy, as one of the first and most important tasks of the militant proletariat, and Lassalle had again taken up this point. >>2857779Yuo say amerikkkan workr is exploited but Homer Simpson has a middle class suburban life and three kids without a college education
>>2857798Now share source and year. Snake.
>>2857783What are the material conditions for goths and egirls
>>2857798Universal suffrage exist in US fuckface.
It was new in Russia and still the revolution didn't count on it and in fact discarded. It rested on disciplined party organization over years, extraparliamentarily. Intervening in strikes. Agitating, seizing factories, cities, workers councils sprouting.
Name one example of revolutionary parliamentarism delivering fruitful results in an industrialized imperialist country in 100 years. >>2857805What was the status of universal suffrage in
Prussia in 1895?
>>2857807Name one instance of a successful proletarian insurrection in 200 years in the West.
>we declared as early as autumn 1850 that at least the first chapter of the revolutionary period was closed and that nothing was to be expected until the outbreak of a new world economic crisis.
<But history has shown us too to have been wrong, has revealed our point of view at that time as an illusion. It has done even more; it has not merely dispelled the erroneous notions we then held; it has also completely transformed the conditions under which the proletariat has to fight. The mode of struggle of 1848 is today obsolete in every respect, and this is a point which deserves closer examination on the present occasion.
>>2857809Name a successful one in the East
>>2857534We are Vote, Vote, Voting
With our Voices!
>>2857814Almost like the material conditions are different o algo.
>>2857815No, it is time to spam, spam, spam with our VPNs
>>2857818Oh they certainly are.
what will be the effect of the taylor swift wedding on the world proletarian revolution?
>>2857808Engels lived in England
both amerikkkan chauvinism and third worldism are wrong
>>2857824
>memestonx instead of low risk CDs
children…
>>2857829voooooooooooooooting is good as long as you also blow up zio factories
>>2857824
What is the context of this image?
What have I missed?
>>2857823the question leftypol was too afraid to answer
>>2857823Travis Kelce whites will become the dominant form of lumpen again.
>>2857832CPUSAanon's name is Miles and he invests in GME which we already knew. Not much more than that.
>>2857838and just as importantly apparently has an ever-urgent need to consult the views of ᴉuᴉlossnW throughout the day on his slopware station.
I'm guessing he got hacked by someone on here? Did he copy paste his password into a thread or something? lmao
>>2857840Just posted a screenshot I guess to show off his investments and forgot to crop.
>>2857840 (me)
Or is it artificial / theater, to manufacture a victim narrative to ano otherwise dangerous person in order to garner sympathy for the newer ones among us?
>>2857841Holy shit that's even dumber. Okay that explains it perfectly
>>2857787It doesn't, you just benefit from unnaturally generous exchange rates on your US dollars thanks to imperialism. Gas prices in America are among the lowest in the world, when adjusted for currency differences.
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/The only places with lower gasoline prices than America are the countries who actively subsidize it, other than that imperialism means that American prices are the lowest in the world.
You benefit from imperialism in more ways than you are even capable of understanding.
>>2857847>imperialism is when gas production is subsidizedtry reading marx
CAMMON DSA, SCORE SOM FACKIN VOTES!!!
Notice how when you try to make arguments about how Americans don't benefit from imperialism they are incredibly easy to shoot down.
What explains why fuel, food, commodities and rent (PER SQUARE FOOT) is cheaper in America than virtually anywhere else on earth? There is only one possible explanation, but none of you have the guts to admit it.
>>2857840I genuinely have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about. I don’t talk about ᴉuᴉlossnW to the extent yall obsess about me.
>>2857841>>2857844I actually did intend to crop, but recently switched over to Opera GX—it has a thing where you can post your most recently saved images, so while I cropped the image and meant to post it cropped, the first result that came up was a screen grab of my whole PC.
>>2857827Tried bookmarking some work by Mao people left as a pdf here, I believe. Link is dead
>>2857856DOWN WITH THE IMPERIALIST LUXEMBOURGISH EMPIRE
>>2857853Do you benefit from capitalism because you eat food produced under it?
>>2857853They are bribes onto the middle classes (labor arist. & petty bourg.). Also due to the settler-colonial and racialist superstructure this additionally complicates it.
It is also true that non-settler colonialist and racially homogenous imperialist countries middle strata are bribed in the same way. This still doesn't mean that the labor aristocracy and downwardly mobile petty bourg. of these countries doesn't
objectively benefit from a communist revolution. They do. And none of this has anything to do with "Maoism-ThirdWorldism" but rather everything to do with Lenin's
Imperialism.
>>2857857Are there any Luxemburg Communist parties?
>>2857858No but anorexics do
>>2857864Glowies would never
>I just whine and dont contribute
Does anyone have a link of that one news article in which its revealed that mossad has a whole unit of persian speakers whose entire role is to pretend to be iranians that hate their government in twitter? I need to show it to a greek guy in 4chan
>>2857855I know which trader Joe's you work at, Miles. Once I get the money saved up to get to LA I am going to come give you a visit. Maybe if you had some solidarity with your co-workers they wouldn't snitch you out so easily.
>>2857870holy shit the memes are real
CPUSAnon is going to get iron felix'd before one single weapons factory
>>2857858Yes, I benefit from Imperialism just like you do. Unlike you I'm not a fucking coward though so I can actually admit it
>>2857857Luxembourg is one of the centers of global imperialism actually, their entire economy is based around money laundering for the European bourgeoisie and if you were serious you'd understand this
>>2857872he literally sees you as a more important target than actual capitalists lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>2857875Is that you in the picture?
>>2857873>Yes, I benefit from Imperialismok then go become a capitalist or a cop or a CIA agent as your material interests dictate and stop projecting
>>2857872We'll see if you're so glib with a gun to your head, Miles. I am going to make you kill your dog and dig your own grave before I shoot you.
(FACTORY STATUS?) when the US government collapses not only will the imperialism finally end but so will the endless guilt tripping psy ops coming out of these LLM farms, so it's a win win
Whip me harder daddy
>>2857881There will never be a collapse, that’s orgasmic thinking, it will limp on, long after its empire is dead just like the UK
Happy 4th everyone! What's y'all's plans?
>>2857881>when the US government collapses not only will the imperialism finally endNot how this works dumbass.
>>2857870>I know which trader Joe's you work at, Miles. Once I get the money saved up to get to LA I am going to come give you a visit. Maybe if you had some solidarity with your co-workers they wouldn't snitch you out so easily.>>2857879>We'll see if you're so glib with a gun to your head, Miles. I am going to make you kill your dog and dig your own grave before I shoot you.lmfao are you really going to go to jail for life over one grocer having not status'd even one factory or luigi'd even one CEO? pathetic shit brother.
It's pretty funny how Miles desire to show off his stock portfolio will be what gets him killed. If he could go without flexing about how much money he had he'd still be alive. But no, he had to show off and now he's a dead man walking
>>2857879Sure bud.
>>2857874He’s like those unhinged right wingers; he’ll run his mouth a lot and try to threaten people but won’t do shit. Honestly if he kills anyone I fully expect it to be whatever poor bastard lives next to him.
>>2857887i'm just going off what the twisters tell me. to them imperialism isn't a system capable of flexibility, it's just america existing.
>>2857888The book of revelations isn’t materialist, those are the terms you and everyone else talking about “collapse” and “revolution” are thinking in
mods felix is off his meds again
>>2857893>The book of revelations isn’t materialistOkay?
>are thinking in…?
>>2857895All “revolutionary” thinking is rooted in Revelations
>>2857873>Yes, I benefit from Imperialism just like you doThat isn't the question I asked. If a worker in the Global South depends on food made under capitalist relations of production, can we say that they benefit from capitalism?
>>2857896Idealist statement
>>2857897It isn't a binary distinction, you have such a childish comprehension on this issue
>>2857898Says the guy whose ideology is based in some kind of ultimate conflict of good and evil
>>2857899You're avoiding the question.
>>2857902You're failing to understand it
>>2857901Says the guy who can’t read and cannot comprehend an opponent beyond any notion of morality.
>>2857897>Israelis and yanks genociding palestinians is the same as a a worker eating mcdonaldLmao.the irony that the imperialist demands we take them seriously
>>2857896>All “revolutionary” thinking is rooted in Revelationsyou know there were plenty of rebellions, strikes, uprisings, revolts, and even civil wars started by slaves before the book of revelation was written, right?
>>2857904Marxists believe in good and evil, good being “historical progress” and evil being “reaction”
>>2857906All of those were combined into one narrative, that being Revelations
>>2857891Every time you open your mouth you just make it worse, miles. I hope you enjoy your time with your shitbull because I am going to make you gut and skin him before you die. Every fascist, everywhere on earth should be hunted and killed. You aren't unique, you're just particularly odious.
>>2857907>Marxists believe in good and evilSomeone didn’t read
>>2857897I don't care about any questions you ask, whopper jr. You're next after Miles. I hope that military training pays off for you.
>>2857908no retard, the book of revelation is an apocalyptic book. are you stupid? it has literally zero zilch nada to do with revolution. go read it.
>>2857910I did read, Marx pretends to not have morality because he hates the aesthetic
>>2857912It’s literally a political tirade against Rome
>the doomer guy and the death threats guy are spamming at the same time, on a friday night
>>2857903Look man it's perfectly simple. Workers in the global south (and everywhere else) depend on food and other goods produced under capitalism. Yet, we as socialists know that food can also be produced under alternative systems (e.g. socialism), and that these systems would offer numerous other benefits superior to what capitalism can give them. As such we can say that workers don't in fact benefit from capitalism just because they consume its products. The same reasoning applies to imperialism, since socialism would provide even better living conditions, superior goods, better infrastructure, etc. The concept of a "benefit" is inherently relative, so that begs the question of a benefit relative to what alternative? It may be better to live among the colonizers than the colonized, but it's also better to consume capitalist-produced food than to starve. Socialism is a superior alternative in both cases, and so its no benefit to remain trapped in the existing system.
>>2857916I already got drunk and set fireworks off
>>2857913>I did readYou wouldn’t be here accusing communists of being moralists if that were true. And if you had actually read thoroughly, you wouldn’t be using the term “marxist” either.
>aestheticI am certain you are projecting
>>2857915it's a
theological tirade against rome, written by a group of people who did not plan or execute any violent uprising, a group of people who were quite pacifist, a group of people who literally preached "turn the other cheek" and "wait for your reward in the afterlife" and "obey your earthly master with fear and trembling as you would obey god." all their anger against rome was purely theological and not political. if you want a group of people who actually fought the romans with swords, look into the zealots, and the sicarii rebels, no the christians.
this thread is a stupidity contest and we're all winning together
>>2857921Speak for yourself
>>2857917I am going to waterboard you until your heart gives out, so you can die knowing the same terror you and your comrades gleefully inflicted on the world.
>>2857922You're losing then?
>>2857919Communists absolutely are moralists, they just pretend they aren’t to distance themselves from liberals
>>2857925lmfao
idk why but that got me good
>>2857926Troll or not, you are second to Felix in your stupidity
You can’t pretend to have no morality and actually plan on governing, it won’t work
>>2857923>I am going to waterboard youClosest thing you'll ever have to a shower
>>2857925Notice how this animal doesn't even deny how he tortured and murdered little Afghan babies anymore. It knows what it did in the death squad. It knows what it's comrades did, too.
>>2857928Felix and Chagosanon are the first guys would point to in saying communists are moralists, same with any of the Red Guard offshoots
>>2857917You say imperialism is like mcdonalds.😂 It is better to have mcdonalds than no mcdonalds💀. iosocialist says it better to join with israelis than palestinians because you get mcdonalds.🙏 You are ziocom troll.😂
>>2857932Someone’s always going to have to die and it’s better them than me and my family
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/subject/religion/book-revelations.htm>Frederick Engels 1883The Book of Revelation
<“When you want to get a distinct idea of what the first Christian communities were, do not compare them to the parish congregations of our day; they were rather like local sections of the International Working Men’s Association.”
>And this is correct. Christianity got hold of the masses, exactly as modern socialism does, under the shape of a variety of sects, and still more of conflicting individual views clearer, some more confused, these latter the great majority — but all opposed to the ruling system, to “the powers that be.”
>Take, for instance, our Book of Revelation, of which we shall see that, instead of being the darkest and most mysterious, it is the simplest and clearest book of the whole New Testament. For the present we must ask the reader to believe what we are going to prove by-and-by. That it was written in the year of our era 68 or January, 69, and that it is therefore not only the only book of the New Testament, the date of which is really fixed, but also the oldest book. How Christianity looked in 68 we can here see as in a mirror.
>Christianity, like every great revolutionary movement, was made by the masses. It arose in Palestine, in a manner utterly unknown to us, at a time when new sects, new religions, new prophets arose by the hundred. It is, in fact, a mere average, formed spontaneously out of the mutual friction of the more progressive of such sects, and afterwards formed into a doctrine by the addition of theorems of the Alexiandrian Jew, Philo, and later on of strong stoic infiltrations. In fact, if we may call Philo the doctrinal father of Christianity, Seneca was her uncle. Whole passages in the New Testament seem almost literally copied from his works; and you will find, on the other hand, passages in Persius’ satires which seem copied from the then unwritten New Testament. Of all these doctrinal elements there is not a trace to be found in our Book of Revelation. Here we have Christianity in the crudest form in which it has been preserved to us. There is only one dominant dogmatic point: that the faithful have been saved by the sacrifice of Christ. But how, and why is completely indefinable. There is nothing but the old Jewish and heathen notion, that God, or the gods, must be propitiated by sacrifices, transformed into the specific Christian notion (which, indeed, made Christianity the universal religion) that the death of Christ is the great sacrifice which suffices once for all.
>Of original sin, not a trace. Nothing of the trinity. Jesus is “the lamb,” but subordinate to God. In fact, in one passage (XV, 3) he is placed upon an equal footing with Moses. Instead of one holy ghost there are “the seven spirits of god” (III, 1, and IV, 5). The murdered saints (the martyrs) cry to God for revenge: “How long, O Lord, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the ,earth?” (VI, 10) — a sentiment which has, later on, been carefully struck out from the theoretical code of morals of Christianity, but carried out practically with a vengeance as soon as the Christians got the upper hand over the heathens.
>As a matter of course, Christianity presents itself as a mere sect of Judaism. Thus, in the messages to the seven churches: “I know the blasphemy of them which say that they are Jews (not Christians), and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan” (II, 9); and again, III, 9: “Them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, but are not.” Thus, our author, in the 69th year of our era, had not the remotest idea that he represented a new phase of religious development, destined to become one of the greatest elements of revolution. Thus also, when the saints appear before the throne of God, there are at first 144,000 Jews, 12,000 of each of the twelve tribes, and only after them are admitted the heathens who have joined this new phase of Judaism. >>2857932>he doesn't even deny my kafka traps anymorenotice you don't even deny being a kafka trapper
>>2857933>Felix and ChagosanonAre not communists
>Chagosanon are the first guys would point point toOf course, because you’re a moron who doesn’t know what they’re talking about
>>2857938You don’t get to decide who is and isn’t a communist, anyone who claims the title basically is one now that the Soviet Union doesn’t exist and China literally doesn’t care about ideology
>>2857936>That it was written in the year of our era 68 or January, 69Engels is wrong on this, and archeology reveals it to have been written much later. All four gospels and revelation were likely written in the decades AFTER the destruction of the 2nd temple in 70 CE by Titus, and it is entirely probably that revelation was written much closer to the turn of the 2nd century.
>>2857940Why does that matter? How does it affect the rest of the points he’s making?
>>2857942It doesn't, just something I knew offhand. Sometimes we make conversation.
And whopper junior has run away like the Klanadian army after an IED attack. Shame it's such a coward. It won't be any fun to kill it.
>>2857947do you drink alcohol by any chance?
>>2857737Top theory for why Maoism attracts the unhinged:
Struggle sessions are their way of getting therapy. They think a cultural revolution will permanently get rid of the bad "capitalist" thoughts in their head.
>>2857919Plenty of communists are moralist. Marxism is rooted in materialism but plenty of people will still argue for communism in moral terms anyway.
>>2857948Would make sense given how many calories it has.
>>2857939>You don’t get to decide who is and isn’t a communistProof?
>anyone who claims the title basically is one now that the Soviet Union doesn’t exist and China literally doesn’t care about ideologySounds like a glowOP statement to me
>>2857949>Plenty of communists are moralistNo communist is a moralist, and we have a word for those who insist otherwise. Starts with an r.
>>2857953Which party are you general secretary of? What gives you any authority to decide who is and isn’t a communist? What’re your credentials?
The Cape Verde vs Argentina game was nonsense, the Cape Verdians kept getting knocked down with no yellow cards issued
>>2857954>Which party are you general secretary of? >What gives you any authority to decide who is and isn’t a communist? >What’re your credentials?Who are you to ask any of these questions?
>>2857956You’re the one asserting Felix and Chagos anon aren’t communists, so who are you to gatekeep them?
Mods my last request if Felix kills me is you create a CPUSAnon funeral theme for the thread, complete with a pic of Sam Jackson, and you put my cause of death as “Posted too hard.”
>>2857958It would probably be a murder suicide and the mods would have to put the stickies together
>>2857958felix killing you would honestly be pretty demoralizing in the sense that it would make me feel like the left is doomed to cannibalize and purge itself forever. if felix actually took out something critical to imperialism it would be much more uplifting and motivating.
>>2857869>moral injuryGlad that's a problem I don't have to worry about
>>2857960Either way means he loses posting as a means to vent, (you)’s hit harder than cocaine
>>2857957>You’re the one asserting Felix and Chagos anon aren’t communistsCorrect
>so who are you to gatekeep them?Who are you to protect them? Who are you to ask about party affiliation and credentials? WHO are you to ask ridiculous questions such as whether or not I’m a general secretary?
The answer is obvious.
>>2857966You started with the assertions
>>2857960He’s a joke of a man, don’t worry about him
>Trump: You can be a communist or you can be a patriot. You cannot be both. As for those who peddle Marxist lies about our heritage, tell our children that we live on stolen land or that our heroes were oppressors. They're doing something much worse than slandering our past. They are slandering and attacking our future. We're not going to let that happen.
see? told ya. trumpedo isn't a moron. the ruling class isn't moronic. they understand liberation struggles, they hate liberation struggles because they understand it.
>>2857880>America First slopdon't curr
>>2857971he's mentally unwell but he lives in a sick society. he's jokerfied. I wish he would turn his righteous anger against the system and not his co-miserables
>>2857972bro we know. he literally said "america will never be a socialist country" in the house and everyone clapped including democrats like liz warren and nancy pelosi
>>2857976Correct, now an independent California or new York could probably be put on a socialist path
>>2857967And I continued to interrogate you for being an obvious glowie theorylet who thinks they’re owed the privilege of respect and equal footing.
>>2857952Seriously tho, no one has proved photons can't lose energy in some way over many eons. Redshift? More like redshit.
>>2857972He also speaks against anarchism. Does that mean we should all become anarkiddies now?
>>2857960No one posting on this site is on "the left" except me. Miles is an out and proud fascist and the fact that you would mourn it's death means you are too.
>>2857989>No one posting on this site is on "the left" except me.So then why do you come here?
>>2857990To hound Miles to suicide so I don't have to shoot it myself.
>>2857989>No one posting on this site is on "the left" except me.the absolute ego
>>2857990because he's rationalized it as a form of revolutionary praxis
>>2857991>so I don't have to shootsee he admits he has rationalized posting as praxis
>>2857991>To hound Miles to suicide so I don't have to shoot it myself.bro thinks he has psychic powers that can kill people from far away and overcome the necessity of revolutionary violence but will still accuse others of reactionary idealism smdh
>>2857991Why are you going after a grocer instead of someone important? Stop wasting your time already.
>>2857997>Why are you going after a grocer instead of someone important? Stop wasting your time already.he has rationalized it like this:
>capitalism is kept in power by the government>the government is run by republicans>republicans are kept in power by democrats>democrats are kept in power by fake socialist alternatives>the CPUSA is a fake socialist alternative>CPUSA anon is in CPUSA>therefore CPUSA anon is keeping the US government in power, and is just as high value of a target as say a weapons factory or a high ranking politician >>2858006im trying to post a 4th of july "groomer" wojak edit but accidentally posted the template, now sites telling me flood detected
>>2857997Because I want to send a message that every fascist everywhere on earth should be afraid, because they will be found, hunted and killed. It doesn't matter that the fascist is a grocer by trade, a fascist is a fascist, and a fascist must die.
>>2858003Rifle fire.
>>2858006>>2858007its very lazy but were starving for OC and i thought it was a funny idea
>>2858008>Because I want to send a message that every fascist everywhere on earth should be afraid, because they will be found, hunted and killed. It doesn't matter that the fascist is a grocer by trade, a fascist is a fascist, and a fascist must die. what you think will happen
<fascists everywhere quiver in fear, knowing that THE REAL IRON FELIX has killed one of their allieswhat will actually happen
<huh, some deranged guy killed a grocer. what was his motivation? idk he was yelling something about reaction… reactionary?? is that like reaction videos or some shit? sounded pretty gay >>2858009Post it again now. It won't let you post with the same exact text twice in a row.
>>2858008>if i decide someone is a fascist based on my own delusions, they are in danger, no i will never touch a single CEOluigi mogs you
>>2858014very nice, ty for sharing anon
>>2858015Miles is an out and proud fascist, he doesn't even try to hide it. You just don't notice because you're as right wing as it is.
>>2858016much love. just had to get on PC (mostly a filthy phoneposter)
>>2858018why are you harassing him instead of any one of the 5 million chuds on twitter, if a fascist is a fascist
Now the question:
Should I use my Ruger or my Glock to finish off Miles? I shoot the Ruger better, but the Glock is a little easier to conceal.
>>2858022Judaism is inherently ethno-supremacist but none of you are willing to have this conversation because MUH ANTI-SEMITISM.
>>2858025Your comrades in Ukraine doxxed me long ago, I tell them the same thing I tell you. My locks aren't very good, but my aim is. You're welcome to try me.
>>2858023>Judaism is inherently ethno-supremacist yes
>but none of you are willing to have this conversationliterally the guy you are responding to just brought it up? why are you so stupid?
>because MUH ANTI-SEMITISM.literally you are the first person ITT to even say the phrase anti semitism. quit acting like a mossad agent
>>2857965There is some serious bootlicking from Japanese about this. All you can see is:
>We are not perputual victims unlike Africans>rent free talking about Chinese and commies being the real enemySouth Korea unironically has more revolutionary potential than Japan and that is so low already
>>2858027>>2858028>>2858025Look man, I don't like the guy either but I really dislike the idea of doxing him, or anyone for that matter.
Can we quit sharing personal info, please?
>>2858032What has elon musk ever made
>>2858037lots of money from subsidies
>>2858031Of course Mamdani is a nationalist. What fascist isn't?
>>2858036I already found him.
I am not threatening, I am guaranteeing.
>>2858039you are retarded and won't do shit. i will screenshot this post and archive this thread and in a year you will be barking the same bark bark bark bark
and you'll threaten me too but it won't matter because i won't live in the shithole burger reich anymore
you never answer: factory status?
evan will NEVER drive miles to suicide
evan will NEVER shoot miles
evan will NEVER update the factory status
screenshot this
>>2858036If you want a more secular answer, I don't think disputes within the Left should be so total and destructive. If you want a Christian one, then for as annoying as he is, that destructive anger is as much a part of him as anyone. Humans can rise above it, though.
>>2858044but he doesn't see you as left lol, he literally sees you as the reincarnation of benito ᴉuᴉlossnW
>>2858046Eh, there are people on here who see me as a lib or a fascist or whatever. I still don't want to actively "go after them" in some destructive way. And to be frank I think its good to be reasonable when juxtaposed with crazies.
>>2858046No, I actually respect ᴉuᴉlossnW far more than Miles, because ᴉuᴉlossnW at least had the courage of conviction while Miles is a fucking coward who hides what he truly believes.
looks at donald trump
<this is who we are, and who we will always be. he is the avatar of our nation. we are inherently counter revolutionary and will never overcome our reactionary nature
looks at zohran mamdani
<this fucking pig, this fucking social fascist, is LITERALLY the most important obstacle stopping me from destroying the klan-knighted snakes of hellmerikkka
>>2858034>>2858039What type of twisted Batman-Joker relationship is this
>>2858048> I actually respect ᴉuᴉlossnWwe know
>>2858026fyi if you were targeted then they know you have a CC and would not give you the chance to shoot back. Sniped from a distance, ambushing from behind or setting your place on fire at night would be more likely.
>>2858027>>2858028So the man who has been going on about how voting affirms imperialism voted in 2024? lol
>>2858055>So the man who has been going on about how voting affirms imperialism voted in 2024? lolhe's gonna vote vote vote it's his moment
>>2858049mamdani is just a welfare capitalist
>>2858055I had to vote AGAINST Biden to keep a promise I made to myself during the GWOT. I wrote in Joseph Stalin and voted yes on raising payroll taxes to fund our bus line (which failed, because Oregon is a reactionary shithole hiding behind the facade of "progressive" politics)
>Sniped from a distance, ambushing from behind or setting your place on fire at night would be more likely.You've never held a gun before. You are a soft handed nerd posting on an obscure internet website. You will do nothing.
I have had actual special forces neo-Nazis from Ukraine, men who I am certain are killers, threaten me.
You don't even rank.
>>2858061I wasn't threatening you, bro. Just pointing out if anyone actually wanted to kill you they would take your little peashooter into account and plan accordingly.
>>2858061>I have had actual special forces neo-Nazis from Ukraine, men who I am certain are killers, threaten me. bro that was children doing the navy seas copypasta at you and you fell for it
>>2858066>I wasn't threatening you, bro. Just pointing out if anyone actually wanted to kill you they would take your little peashooter into account and plan accordingly.when he spergs out like this he projects. he threatens to kill others and assumes anyone else talking to him is doing the same
>>285806412 people with ideas vs trillions of reatkkkoid NPCs
Remember
<“I began revolution with 82 men. If I had to do it again, I do it with 10 or 15 and absolute faith. It does not matter how small you are if you have faith and plan of action.” >>2858073Castro's 82 men did not hate each other though LOL
>>2858061> I wrote in Joseph Stalinoh hey. i counted that one. i erased Stalin and wrote Biden for you. i figured it was an honest mistake. YOUR VOTE WAS COUNTED FOR BIDEN!
Real movement status?
>>2858073Sadly, the Cuban revolution was something of an anomaly. It's unlikely that a revolution like it would have succeeded elsewhere, or could ever again. A revolution requires a mass base. Even the RAF understood this.
>>2858085Mortally wounded when CPUSA turned into a strictly legalist party under Browder. Taken off life support after Taft-Hartley and the arrests of most of it's leaders in 1948. The refusal to go underground and wage an illegal struggle against the bourgeois state was fatal to the American left.
>>2858085the real movement is a sham and a humbug
we are all about the ruthless criticism
>>2858087>Mortally wounded when CPUSA turned into a strictly legalist party under Browder.two CPUSA members gave the soviets the secret of the atom bomb and were executed for it. what have you done? nothing. you are a hypocrite and your booty stank
>>2858087>A revolution requires a mass base.So how do you build a mass base?
>>2858090by threatening to kill everyone who claims to be vaguely sympathetic with your ideals because you know they are fascist and only pretending
>>2858090Before we can even begin to organize there has to be a deep crisis which draws the backwards masses into politics. Right now, the super profits from Imperialism are keeping the US artificially inflated and maintaining a high standard of living. No one has any material reason to give a shit about the system or it's alternatives. The only way forward is to destroy Imperialism through a sustained politico-military campaign that mixes legal with illegal action to put the maximum possible pressure on the system.
In other words, we have to engineer a crisis that forces America to withdraw from the world and turn it's repression inwards, in self-defense.
Our goal should not be simply education, or a book club of and a newspaper, but an army. An actual, flesh and blood organization which can carry out aggressive, successful actions against the state. We have to start laying the groundwork for that now. To paraphrase Joe Slovo, we have correctly rejected pure detonator theory, but we simply do not have the time, thanks to climate change, to slowly build a movement over generations. Either we come to grips with Imperialism now, within our lifetimes, or we face human extinction as an absolute certainty. That means that we must be much more aggressive than any movement before us. We have, over the generations, clearly exhausted all legal actions against this system. The destruction of the CPUSA is proof of that, as is, to anyone who understands theory, the rise of the DSA.
The only way out is through. Either we destroy the US government within our lifetimes or we get "the bad ending" to phrase it in the sort of puerile pop culture obsessed terms that you can understand.
I know this question is a bit off topic for the thread but I was hoping it would get more attention here. Is it possible for the Leftypol shop to sell a Alunya plushie? It would really be cool to have one, lol.
>>2858097There has to be a crisis. During every successful revolution, the crisis has been so acute that it involved a foreign invader. No foreign army will credibly threaten the USA thanks to the two giant oceans insulating us from the rest of the world's conflicts.
So who, or what, creates the crisis?
If we wait for climate change to cause it, we're already far too late, because climate change won't effect America in any meaningful sense until it's already too late to stop. We will insulate ourselves through the power of Imperialism until we are the last country to die.
No, the only way is to create the crisis ourselves. It must be an internal crisis that forces the great Satan home where we can finally kill it.
>>2858100>So who, or what, creates the crisis? you killing people you don't like from that one website, clearly
>>2858068It's desperation to be important so he inflates every interaction into a life or death situation. Also explains how in his mind a grocer somehow has the same strategic importance as a billionaire fascist. 40yo thinking like a teen school shooter.
>>2858092If you believe this then threatening to kill everyone who has a slightly different ideology makes no sense. You have even said you would not work with ex-soldiers who agree with you. Beggars can't be choosers.
>>2858108
draw another shitjak and call it a day
>>2858108
your cyclist bait on siberia is dogshit
>>2858104I regularly work with soldiers, I just (correctly) realize that in a volunteer army the vast majority of them are willing and enthusiastic collaborators who enjoy every moment of what they did, like Graham Platner, and maybe one in 100 ends up as a veterans for peace lib, let alone someone like Mike Prysner.
If a veteran recognizes what they did, understands it is wrong and has a genuine desire to make amends, I am willing to accept them. If not, they are an enemy, simple as.
>We've been quiet recently because Mark Goodwin and I have been working to write the most comprehensive investigation into Polymarket's origins and ambitions to date.
>We found that Polymarket's "official" origin story, that Shayne Coplan founded the company alone in 2020 and then built "the company in his bathroom", is a lie. Polymarket really started years earlier as another company called TokenBnk that was deeply tied to Israeli interests, specifically a crypto company founded by Benjamin Netanyahu's niece and nephew. Coplan has actively tried to obfuscate this company from his story and it's not the only thing either.
>In Part 1 of this two-part series, we unravel the real history of Polymarket, directly connecting the company to Peter Thiel's efforts to resurrect controversial DARPA programs from its now defunct Information Awareness Office. Polymarket appears to have been chosen by Thiel and his associates to succeed in resurrecting DARPA's Policy Analysis Market where another Thiel-linked company, Augur, had previously failed.
>Stay tuned for Part 2, where we explore the current influence of prediction markets and Polymarket, including how an insidious effort to have prediction markets replace representative democracy as a governance model is already being slowly implemented by the White House.,https://unlimitedhangout.com/2026/06/investigative-series/the-secret-history-of-polymarket-part-1/ >>2858115You mistake my campaign of zersetzung against Sabotabby and (again, correct) classification of Houdini and a wholly unserious person for an official policy. The movement needs soldiers, but it is a simple fact that the vast majority of them are reactionaries. Ignoring this is not just ignorance but folly. We have to build our own military structures, we can't rely on the brainwashed killing machines in the military to suddenly decide to come save us.
>>2858114That's reasonable.
However it seems like you have two slightly different goals that you are mixing together. Causing internal problems forcing imperial army to come back is not exactly the same as successfully doing revolution. And ultimately a low level soldier's desires for forgiveness don't matter if all you need are triggermen. Getting as many people fighting possible is different from making sure ex-soldiers are genuine believers in the cause. That is more a leadership vetting process.
>>2858121>insidious effort to have prediction markets replace representative democracy as a governance model is already being slowly implemented by the White House.This is effectively making the government double down on the bourgeoisie's bets, throwing all caution to the wind. One black swan event their gambling markets didn't predict and the entire economy can be completely wiped out.
>>2858139You need a sustained crisis before the revolution can happen. China suffered for 100 years before their revolution. Russia bled for decades. Both of them only shattered when they got hit with a foreign invader. We don't have that luxury. We have to create the crisis that draws the masses into politics.
Once we do that we can organize the masses in earnest. Before the war the Boslehviks were insignificant. It was only in times of crisis that the people were drawn to the revolutionary cause. Without a crisis we will never be anything besides a book club.
>>2858146hmm yes we must go out and firebomb a Walmart to make the revolution happen, I understand Mr. Langley. by the way what's that electronic buzzing sound I'm hearing in my skull right now?
>>2858150You are an anarchist, the only left wing thing you can possibly do is die.
>>2858146>You need a sustained crisis before the revolution can happen. China suffered for 100 years before their revolution. Russia bled for decades. Both of them only shattered when they got hit with a foreign invader.this is such retarded apolitical/christian thinking, it's ridiculous.
>>2858146Right. And I'm saying the beast way is to keep your arms open to trained soldiers. Once they get out of the military most of them are fucked by the markets. Turning them away only leads them to the rightwing. Limiting yourself to the "real left" and the 1/100 soldiers who are genuinely sorry is the slower method. Basically if you want to get something started you will need to broaden your appeal or increase your acceptance. Trying to train up citizens to be fighters from scratch is much slower plus many of them will not have the guts to risk their lives after all is said and done. Trained soldiers already got that beat out of them.
>>2858155Isn't that just historical fact? Communists took power after Russia was lost hard during WW1 and China was invaded by the Japanese. Only way communists got power in those cases was because the established government failed on all levels creating instability.
>>2858158>Only way communists got power in those cases was because the established government failed on all levels creating instability.That was one part (objective conditions), but not the whole revolution. They also had organization and a network among workers ready to seize state power (subjective factor). It was the old incapable to rule in the old way, and the new ready to rule in a new way. We don't have the new ready to rule even if the old can't rule in the old way. So no revolution.
>>2858158>and China was invaded by the Japanesealso ahistorical since the CPC arose in the 20s already during the warlord era
>>2858164I agree with you that revolution in America will not happen immediately. Bolsheviks put in lots of ground work that currently doesn't exist. But enough chaos could create opportunities that are being closed off. America is clearly trying to create a totalitarian surveillance police state. How long until it closes all possibilities of revolution? Besides no matter if an American revolution succeeds or not it instability could give the world breathing space by weakening it's military strength allowing communist around the world to build the networks needed.
>>2858165They were almost wiped out and barely surviving before the Japanese invaded. Invasion took pressure off the communists by decimating the nationalists and eventually forcing them to make peace giving communists a chance to spring back.
>>2858153You’re too weak to even hold a piece of paper out in front of you for a minute, you definitely can’t hold that rifle, you DYEL
>>2858167>How long until it closes all possibilities of revolution? An impossibility even in the best of conditions. Get your head out of your ass
>>2858150That anon is correct. Lenin specifically said the masses desiring revolution wasn't enough and the state had to develop crises before anything could happen
Happy 250 to the Israeli States of Porkmerica
This board's faith on the inevitability of a proletarian revolution verges on religious fervor, it is embarrassing to witness.
>>2857405When you were before
Could look you in the eye
You’re definitely not like an angel
Roy cooper’s skin is doesn’t make me cry
I don’t care it hurts
I wanna the votes
I wanna have control
I want major party candidates to know when I’m not around
But I’m a hoxhaist
I’m a weirdo
What the hell am I doing here?
She’s running out again
Cheese running out
Run, run, runnnnnnnn
For political office
Whatever the voters happy
Whatever Mr. Wilimos wants
Your so fucking special
I wish was Michael whatley levels of special
But I’m a hoxhaist
I’m a weirdo
What hell am I doing here
I don’t belong here
>>2858196And what’s your defense that it isn’t actually the opposite that’s guilty of religious fervor? The evidence that what you speak of isn’t just fabrication? The proof that yourself are not a part of the cult of capitalist realism?
>>2858167>Invasion took pressure off the communists by decimating the nationalists and eventually forcing them to make peace giving communists a chance to spring back.The Soviets also seized Manchuria from the Japanese and turned the territory over to the communists, plus all the equipment they captured from the Kwangtung Army. So the CPC actually had significant outside help as well.
>>2858196>We are uniquely different!!!! We stand outside the previous couple thousand years of human history because the ruling class is too strong!!!! They solved all the contradictions!!!!!american exceptionalist moment. you arent special. there's nothing unique about the american empire for it to warrant this Glaze
>>2858181How exactly does a revolution happen when a nuclear power, with the worlds most powerful military in history achieves a panopticon that watches everything it's workers say and do at all times? You can't talk to fellow workers to get them to organize because you would quickly get disappeared. Cant secretly sabotage equipment because cameras watching everything 24/7. If you somehow get a weapon and mange to kill some lower end figures you easily get drone bombed with perfect accuracy because they know exactly where you are and those figures you killed get easily replaced. You wouldn't be able to hide or run like some wannabe guerrilla fighter because again you would be easily tracked.
What I outlined doesn't need some crazy made up scifi tech just the application of current technology with full surveillance achieved. Americans are running out of time.
>>2858206>american exceptionalist moment. you arent special. there's nothing unique about the american empire for it to warrant this GlazeWhat does Marx have to say about that?
>>2858196Is it really "faith" or is it a recognition that capitalism must either be overthrown or it will result in a world even worse than the current one, such that we'll wish we were dead? Hence why it's "socialism or barbarism" aka class struggle that results "either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes".
>>2858207marxists were asking and answering these same questions a hundred years ago. Your thoughts arent new. My only advice is to read Lenin
>Americans are running out of time.Who gives a shit about Americans and their revolutions specifically? They'll simply be playing a part in the much wider international revolution spearheaded by China. I think people automatically assume we'll be alone in any insurrection scenario, obviously we'll be getting foreign state support from all sides
>>2858210>Who gives a shit about Americans and their revolutions specifically? They'll simply be playing a part in the much wider international revolution spearheaded by China>PLEASE IGNORE THE IMPERIAL CORE, THE NATION THAT IS DEEPEST AND FURTHEST INTO THE CAPITALIST MODE OF PRODUCTION, THE COUNTRY THAT IS CLOSET TO REACHING ITS CONTRADICTIONSno
>>2858210>international revolution spearheaded by ChinaHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>2858210>international revolution spearheaded by China.I want whatever you're smoking
>>2858210>marxists were asking and answering these same questions a hundred years ago. Where do Marxists talk about nukes, drones and the 24/7 surveillance state a century ago?
>My only advice is to read LeninYou mean the man who walked out of "exile" several times and was left alive despite the ability to kill him because of how inefficient the secret police were? He would have been suicided in prison if he was American.
>obviously we'll be getting foreign state support from all sidesHow exactly? Again complete surveillance means there are no secret ways to get such support or even build up an army to use it if you somehow did.
>>2858211>ignoredont be dishonest. what I said was its retarded to focus on america specifically as if international communisms success hinged on events happening in north america. another symptom of american internationalism
>THE NATION THAT IS DEEPEST AND FURTHEST INTO THE CAPITALIST MODE OF PRODUCTIONthat would be Japan actually, since ww2 their financial institutions have been wedded to the state
>>2858217>symptom of american internationalismamerican exceptionalism*
Okay that tears it, Felix I'm going to give you a little challenge. As of now, you are permanently banned from leftypol and your identified TOR posts will be ruthlessly deleted, unless and until you kill CPUSAnon and post proof that you have done the deed. Dead body with a timestamp or something like that. You know where he is, he's supposedly an extremely dangerous fascist that you've devoted multiple years to "hounding to suicide", either put up or shut up. Live up to your LARP and actually kill the motherfucker or stop wasting everyone's time.
Given that you are too cowardly to so much as yell at some DSA nerds in your own city I doubt that you will ever accomplish this task, but if you're as much of a TRVE AVTHENTIC REVOLVTIONARY as you say you are then you'll have no trouble proving me wrong. Until that happens though you are banned. Them's the breaks
>>2858214>Again complete surveillance means there are no secret ways to get such support or even build up an army to use it if you somehow did.such a whiny babby its insane. Iran has been supplying Hezbollah on israels border. China has been supplying Hamas technically inside israels borders. both have been successful and israel has been powerless to stop it. china and russia have wide open supply lanes to supply us through alaska and the arctic but american commies be like ITS TOOOOO HARDDDDD ITS IMPOSSIBLEEEEE shut your bitch ass up
>>2858219Hey mod-kun I don't think this post will look very good in court
>>2858217>dont be dishonestI’m not. You ignore critical importance.
>what I said was its retarded to focus on america specificallyI understood you perfectly the first time. you’re still very much incorrect.
>as if international communisms success hinged on events happening in north americaInternational communism’s success hinges on the proletariat of the nations that have advanced the most into the capitalist mode of production.
>that would be Japan actually>since ww2 their financial institutions have been wedded to the stateAmerican financial institutions OWN the state.
You’re priorities and estimations are out of whack to say the least.
>>2858224He's not going to do shit, bro's greatest "weapon" is bothering people online and pretending that's a form of psychological warfare. He's basically just a slightly more eloquent version of Wrongschizo and should be treated as such. This is just an elaborate way of permanently banning him while making fun of him at the same time
But for the sake of posterity, death threats are bad and will not be tolerated here. Dont do that.
>>2858223Bro you really don't seem to understand what complete surveillance means. Hezbollah and Hamas are not under full surveillance and they would be assassinated if they were.
Also I'm saying Americans should do revolution before the surveillance state happens not that it's currently impossible. Americans don't do it because they think if they vote in a demsoc they won't need to. But I'm saying once the bourgeoisie set up the full police state it will be too late. So they should do it ASAP before they are trapped.
>>2858225>International communism’s success hinges on the proletariat of the nations that have advanced the most into the capitalist mode of production.not really. Germany's failure to set up a proletarian dictatorship in the 20th century hasn't doomed communist China
>American financial institutions OWN the state.you specifically said 'deepest and furthest into the capitalist mode of production'. the most mature and developed type of Capitalism is the quasi-state-capitalism Japan has where funds like pensions are state directed. the anarchic free market style america has is inferior and less productive, so thanks for arguing my point
>>2858232>Hezbollah and Hamas are not under full surveillance and they would be assassinated if they were. moron detected. imagine downplaying the achievements of the palestinian liberation movement. get the fuck outta here Moshe
>>2858233>Germany's failure to set up a proletarian dictatorship in the 20th century hasn't doomed communist ChinaDoomed? No. Severely disadvantage the prospects of a communist china? Absolutely.
>you specifically said 'deepest and furthest into the capitalist mode of production'. Correct.
>the most mature and developed type of Capitalism is American capitalism
>Japan has where funds like pensions are state directed.Correct
>the anarchic free market style america has is inferior and less productiveBut it is also the most matured, the most advanced.
>>2858237Japan has the political will to rally national Porky around state objectives (like exterminating koreans) top down style. American porky sets objectives individually from the bottom, therefore less advanced
>>2858233>not really. Germany's failure to set up a proletarian dictatorship in the 20th century hasn't doomed communist ChinaThe lack of revolutions in Germany/France/UK/USA is the reason why the "socialist" revolutions of the past century were forced to over-rely on the peasantry, leading to them being unable to entrench themselves which necessarily led to their collapse into Bonapartist regimes that engaged in repression and abandoned socialism proper (and, most of the time, ended up collapsing entirely). The peasantry is not a universal class capable of consistently sustaining and carrying forward a socialist revolution because its material relation to production is historically regressive rather than progressive, unlike that of the proletariat. Workers, dependent upon the wage relation/fund and alienated from their labor/its products/themselves/each other, are compelled toward collective organization through the party form and the social ownership of the means of production, rather than through the individualism inherent in small property ownership. This is why socialism is conceived as “the self-emancipation of the proletariat”: the peasantry, as a class, is historically dissolving, either being integrated into the capitalist wage-labor structure or being displaced by it altogether.
So yes, China is "doomed" in the sense that, because of its capitalist nature, they will eventually reach the same junction of "socialism or barbarism" as every other capitalist power, which will in some form lead to the end of their current system.
>>2858240>Japan has the political will to rally national Porky around state objectives>American porky sets objectives individually from the bottomIncorrect. American porky can rally, and they are more top down than Japan.
>>2858241i can agree with that. which is why i find it strange when i get comments outraged by the possibility of china participating in a future international revolution, because they know they need to get involved to make something new and bigger than themselves or have their system inevitably collapse inwards
>>2858236i heard there's a part in the bible where God sends bad weather against an evil pharaoh or some shit. makes you think.
>>2858244>and they are more top down than Japanamerica can't even get its intel subcontractors to stop selling cutting edge chips to china
>>2858250If I were the CIA, that's what I would do though. Get the chip companies to backdoor everything and then be like "oh noooo we can't get them to stop selling to China"
>if i were the cia id be purposefully incompetent
only the brightest minds on leftypol
>>2858250>america can't even get its intel subcontractors to stop selling cutting edge chips to chinaThe American porky has more freedom to do what they will than any other kind of porky. And the nation is secondary to their financial institutions, private enterprises, and personal enclaves.
>>2858255I saw on /pol/ that she has a hebrew chest tattoo.
Mossad really isn't sending their best.
>>2858234Fuck off Palantir. Looking back every single one of your posts is either a deflection that purposefully missed my point or tries to downplay the danger surveillance tech can pose to revolutions.
If any actual Americans read this post just keep in mind you really do not have forever. In the mean time try to destroy some flock cameras when you get the chance lol
>>2858261the RSDLP had many okhrana spies, some of whom lenin even defended. i just dont see the point of whining and crying over something every revolution ever has had to deal with, theres nothing unique about this particular challenge
>>2858262>this kind of arrangement is not what you want when you're in an existential war with another superpowerPorky doesn’t care. The American porky especially doesn’t care. They’ll only care when the proletariat decides they don’t want it to be their problem anymore.
>freedom for porky is incompatible with the needs Total War demandsSounds like a problem for the proles for porky.
>the Japanese state as of right now is better tooled for Total War than america isAnd the American state is better tooled for the interests of the bourgeoisie than Japan is
>You think Musk is gonna be happy when all his shit has to start getting used for the war effort? Reminder that porkies have class protections. The proletariat and the petite bourgeoisie will have to give up everything before they even consider the idea of touching the bourgeoisie.
>Porkys number one priority is control over his own wealthCorrect.
>dangerous things start happening when personal porky wealth starts getting used for 'national objectives' (exterminating mexicans)Or the decades long Palestinian genocide
>>2858260These guys are bad but at least they aren't nearly as bad as the DSA, they're the REAL Nazis.
>>2858266>And the American state is better tooled for the interests of the bourgeoisie than Japan isso we agree then that american economic and military potential is inferior to that of class-collaborationist Japan?
>The proletariat and the petite bourgeoisie will have to give up everything they do that by being forced to give up their lives on the battlefield lol. porky would be paying a small price in comparison
>>2858158Except most soldiers are reactionary and will never join your movement. You may as well try to recruit neo-nazis. The fact that there is considerable overlap is no historical accident.
>>2858269The DSA is considerably more dangerous that a bunch of dorks in LARP outfits, yes. Patriot front will do nothing, as they always have, because their side has power and they don't need to do anything.
>>2858270>so we agree then that american economic and military potential is inferior to that of class-collaborationist Japan?Still wouldn’t quite say that either. America has more, but Japan will likely use more. And class-collaborationist? Try class-dominated, because America barely has any pretense left.
>they do that by being forced to give up their lives on the battlefield loThe bill left for them can get much higher than that.
>porky would be paying a small price in comparisonThat’s an overestimate. The proletariat is very disposable to them.
>>2858264>i just dont see the point of whining and cryingPointing out danger isn't "whining and crying." People need to be aware they are running out of time and can't take forever twiddling their thumbs. They need to take action, not just wait to be surrounded and crushed.
>every revolution ever has had to deal withNo revolution has ever dealt with complete surveillance as it has never existed before. But now it is technologically possible. This isn't a few spies getting bits and pieces but total information. When that happens it's checkmate. So before it gets to that point Americans need to stir up some trouble.
>>2858271If imperial russian soldiers joined the Bolsheviks after fighting in an inter-imperialist war then a segment of American soldiers can do the same.
>>2858276>When that happens it's checkmateLlm-AI powered surveillance
>>2858124>zersetzung thing
thing, germany
>>28582602nd pic, 3rd guy, front row, his burger flag arm patch is upside down. is he retarded or is this a chudsignal now
>>2858268> In the 1920s the KKK could muster 30,000 people for a march on Washington.and the national population was a little under 1/3rd what it is now
>>2858281Amerifats started LARPing as SF operators with their tacticool schlock because those parky shocktroops wear their flag patches upside down
>>2858225>International communism’s success hinges on the proletariat of the nations that have advanced the most into the capitalist mode of productionIt has been proven time and time again this isn't the case and showcases a sense of chauvinism that some western socialists has had about eastern socialists because they did it "wrong"
>>2858272>powerful people are not dangerous<powerless people are dangerousrhetorically i get what you are going for but logically … eh
>>2858272>Patriot front will do nothing, as they always have, because their side has power and they don't need to do anything.That statement implies that the DSA doesn't have power, which means they aren't on the side of the establishment. Seriously, where do you guys get this idea that the DSA is some kind of pro-imperialist Strasserite organization? The actual Zionists and imperialists in the Democratic and Republican parties don't see them that way.
>>2858274I never said you should try to recruit neo-nazis, you fucking idiot, you're intentionally reading me wrong and then using your own ignorance as a point against me. Learn to read, or better yet, learn how to shoot yourself.
>>2858275The previous revolutions faced considerably different material conditions, the US has a volunteer military that is used for broadly popular colonial pacification operations instead of a conscript force dying by the million in a massively unpopular war. The US military is not the Tsarist Russian military. The material conditions are radically different, but you understand that. You are not just an idiot, you are a dedicated counter-revolutionary who wants to fail.
>>2858286>It has been proven time and time again this isn't the caseHas it?
>showcases a sense of chauvinism that some western socialists has had about eastern socialists because they did it "wrong"Is ruthless critique chauvinism? Did those on the east do it “right”?
>>2858245lol, context on the vid?
>>2858094>after getting the idea to go out and defend the Hooters from the looterslol
>>2858245honestly he woulda been fucked if not for that tent
>>2858276the masses could be demanding revolution right now and it nothing would change. revolutions begin when the state, under crises, cannot rule in the old way. surveillance is a non issue. read lenin.
>>2858297If that's the case then I don't think there will be a revolution. The policy of the Comintern during its formation was that parties had to make it a priority to agitate within the armed forces wherever they were. Now the idea was for there to be a revolutionary transformation where the solders would merge with the armed citizens. Maybe the communists were wrong back then, but there was a British naval mutiny in the 1930s that communists played a key role in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invergordon_mutiny>>2858302Idk I just saw it lol, I think it's in D.C.
>>2858310very common term in lenin and marx's writings. are you the same guy that freaks out when someone says 'oppressed nations'
>>2858240>Japan has the political will to rally national Porky around state objectives (like exterminating koreans) top down style. American porky sets objectives individually from the bottom, therefore less advanced>>2858244>Incorrect. American porky can rally, and they are more top down than Japan.>>2858250>america can't even get its intel subcontractors to stop selling cutting edge chips to china>>2858254>The American porky has more freedom to do what they will than any other kind of porky. And the nation is secondary to their financial institutions, private enterprises, and personal enclaves.>>2858262>yes exactly. this kind of arrangement is not what you want when you're in an existential war with another superpower, like america would have to be in a war with China. freedom for porky is incompatible with the needs Total War demands. the Japanese state as of right now is better tooled for Total War than america is, this is just a fact. You think Musk is gonna be happy when all his shit has to start getting used for the war effort? doesnt matter what he thinks politically, Porkys number one priority is control over his own wealth. dangerous things start happening when personal porky wealth starts getting used for 'national objectives' (exterminating mexicans)What is interesting about the Japanese is their transition from feudalism to capitalism was not characterized by a French or American style bourgeois revolution:
<The Japanese elite knew their country to be one among many confronted by the dangers of conquest or subjection which they had faced in the course of a long history […] what is perhaps more important, the Japanese elite possessed a state apparatus and a social structure capable of controlling the movement of an entire society. To transform a country from above without risking either passive resistance, disintegration, or revolution is extremely difficult. The Japanese rulers were in the historically exceptional position of being able to mobilise a traditional mechanism of social obedience for the purposes of a sudden, radical, but controlled 'westernisation' […] the 'Meiji Restoration' […] a drastic 'revolution from above' […] The parallelism between Japan and Prussia has often been made. In both countries capitalism was formally installed not by bourgeois revolution [against feudal lords] but from above, by an old [feudal] bureaucratic-aristocratic order which recognised that its survival could not otherwise be assured.- Eric Hobsbawm, Age of Capital (1848-1875), Chapter 8
Regarding Chinese dirigisme and its ability to keep porky on a nationalist leash:
<China is not a free market economy. We tried. We let them into the World Trade Organization. We sent businesses over there. We made trade deals. They are a controlled top-down economy. You will never compete and win against them, unless you take back the means of production.- Hillary Clinton, interview with Chatham House (2021)
<China has found a way to use capitalism against us, and what I mean by that is the ability to attract investment into entities that are deeply linked to the state.- Marco Rubio, interview with Face the Nation on Jan. 29, 2023
<Capitalism Didn’t Change China — China Changed Capitalism!- Marco Rubio, Senate speech, Mar 2, 2023
<It is sometimes objected too that in socialist society exploitation continues, just as under capitalism, because the workers by their labour contribute to the upkeep of a large "class of officials and bureaucrats". These are described as exploiters who direct the workers' labour and appropriate the surplus value just as capitalist exploiters do. While it is true that any system of management permits individual peculation unless something is done to stop it, it is nevertheless absurd to allege that payment of officials, administrators and managers represents a form of exploitation of the workers. Of course these people have to be paid, because they do necessary work. If some types of work are paid more than others, that may or may not be unjust, but it is not exploitation. Supporting an apparatus of management out of the values produced by productive labour is no more exploitation of labour than it is exploitation to reinvest a proportion of the values produced in the production of fresh means of production instead of distributing the entire product in consumer goods and services. Normally, to keep socialist production going, and to expand it, it is necessary that social labour should continually produce a surplus over and above what is currently paid out in wages, for investment in future production, for costs of management, and for provision of social services. This shows, incidentally, that the insistence in current Soviet planning methods on enterprises showing "a profit" does not represent the reintroduction of capitalism, but is an item in the efficient planning of production for welfare, which is beading straight for communism. - Maurice Cornforth, The Open Philosophy and the Open Society: A Reply to Dr. Karl Popper's Refutations of Marxism (1968, first edition)
<So, to build socialism it is necessary to develop the productive forces. Poverty is not socialism. To uphold socialism, a socialism that is to be superior to capitalism, it is imperative first and foremost to eliminate poverty. True, we are building socialism, but that doesn’t mean that what we have achieved so far is up to the socialist standard. Not until the middle of the next century, when we have reached the level of the moderately developed countries, shall we be able to say that we have really built socialism and to declare convincingly that it is superior to capitalism. We are advancing towards that goal.- Deng Xiaoping, To Uphold Socialism We Must Eliminate Poverty, 26th April, 1987
>>2858312there's like a weird contingent of glowies whose goal is to be apophatic theologians who can only say what communism is not and badger you out of using certain common terms from communist literature
>>2858310stop pretending to be retarded you fucking armchair
>>2858316even in ML terms "the masses" don't do anything significant, its always the most revolutionary minority that takes action
>>2858318>its always the most revolutionary minority that takes actiontaking action requires support from the masses.
like you need networks of safehouses, people willing to host and feed guerillas, and a general good relationship with the masses so they don't sabotage you or snitch on you.
>>2858323>taking action requires support from the masses. no it doesn't, never has. You're confusing support from 'lack of resistance'
>like you need networks of safehouses, people willing to host and feed guerillas, and a general good relationship with the masses so they don't sabotage you or snitch on you.no where does this require 'masses' to accomplish
>>2858309You don't want a revolution anyway, you know that you'd be among the very first put up against the wall, along with your hero Miles.
it is the end of days wazzup
our first official campaign rally will be around Charlottetown avenue. more details later.
>>2858312>and marx's Source
>are you the same guy that freaks out when someone says 'oppressed nations>oppressed apparatuses of the bourgeoisie >>2858323>>2858324Only the proletariat can liberate itself, and Communists do not separate from the rest of the working class.
>>2858328>Only the proletariat can liberate itself, and Communists do not separate from the rest of the working class.literally does not counter anything thats been said
>>2858326happy America day comrades. Share your best stories or experiences from the USA. I'll start!
> >>2858331The best has yet to come
>>2858328>"Theory becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses." (Marx and Engels, Vol. I, p. 406.)now shove it up your ass
>>2857974>he's mentally unwell but he lives in a sick society. he's jokerfied. I wish he would turn his righteous anger against the system and not his co-miserablesHey, didn't reply to this last night but I figured I'd reply to this now. As cruel as this might sound, I suggest saving your empathy for people who deserve it.
Look, I've met plenty of people who've objectively had a rougher life than Felix. I feel bad mentioning some of this, but they'll at least remain anonymous: I've got a friend who was thrown in the foster care system at an extremely young age. When he was a kid, his stepdad showed him literal CP on his laptop. He was bullied, sent from home to home, literally sexually assaulted by bullies. But he didn't come out of the experience acting like Felix.
I got a coworker. Veteran. Pretty friendly guy, really boisterous and loves to laugh. He's also the only survivor of his squad; he saw guys he befriended, people close to him, literally die in front of him. Again, despite that he didn't end up acting like Felix.
I've seen people dying of cancer, literally told they have a year to live, who still find a way to remain bubbly and upbeat.
Felix isn't some poor, innocent soul whose just been beaten down by the cruel cruel world we live in: he's just an asshole. He's a grubby little sadist who hides his bizarre desires behind a fig leaf of "international solidarity". I'm sure he wants people to think "oh, I've just been DRIVEN to this point by how cruel the world is!" But he delights in the sadism itself.
>>2858219Mod, I stand by my request that if Felix kills me you put my cause of death as "Posted too hard".
>>2858330>literally does not counter anything thats been said>>2858318>even in ML terms "the masses" don't do anything significant, its always the most revolutionary minority that takes actionIn response
>taking action requires support from the masses. >like you need networks of safehouses, people willing to host and feed guerillas, and a general good relationship with the masses so they don't sabotage you or snitch on youNotice the utilization of support
>>2858333>now shove it up your assNah, I just wanted to see if you could actually read. Masses is still a more imprecise term in comparison to proletariat.
>>2858255I blame dumb ass cracker zoom zooms for allowing any mid white woman who never left the suburbs awarded the title of baddie when historically it was a woman who was actually a badass.
>>2858335>I suggest saving your empathy for people who deserve it.meh, it's something i do instinctively for the most part. i'm not really spending a limited resource. this is just how i look at things. maybe to a fault.
>>2858337Asking for a source is stupid?
>>2858336>Notice the utilization of supportthat's a different anon who said those quotes in the middle
>>2858341i can only answer if its up your ass rn
>>2858310>>the massesnotice this autistic form of ragebaiting where you just smugly greentext something and imply the person is stupid for using that term at all instead of the proletariat followed by a "conversation" with shifting goalposts, endless hoop jumping, and finally, pretend nuance. "oh how dare you say the masses instead of proletariat, SIR, don't you know the masses merely play a supporting role?"
why not just say that at the beginning instead of smugly greentexting and demanding people drop quotes and jump through your hoops
>>2858342>that's a different anon who said those quotes in the middleThen I guess you are the one who I was mainly speaking to. I forgot to tag another one as well.
>>2858344>notice this autistic form of ragebaiting where you just smugly greentext something and imply the person is stupid for using that term at all instead of the proletariat followed by a "conversation" with shifting goalposts, endless hoop jumping, and finally, pretend nuance. "oh how dare you say the masses instead of proletariat, SIR, don't you know the masses merely play a supporting role?" >why not just say that at the beginning instead of smugly greentexting and demanding people drop quotes and jump through your hoopsBro’s mad because they got checked for vague-posting.
>don't you know the masses merely play a supporting role?I didn’t say this by the way.
>>2858333>>2858336yes, the difficulty here appears to be the theoretical understanding of what is necessary and sufficient for revolution and using these different terms like proletariat, masses, nation. depending on what hyper niche ideology you have, you either need the masses which includes people outside of the industrial proletariat or you emphasize the need for the dedicated cadre.
I think it's at least fair to come to grips with the necessity of analyzing the historic conditions of the Russian Revolution instead of pounding on with basically orthodox Marxism. better yet we need concrete analysis of current conditions, but I think it's fair to say this is almost an exercise in futility because of how dim the prospect of proletarian revolution is currently.
I sincerely think we need to agree that the proletariat is objectively the revolutionary subject by the position at occupies in the capitalist mode of production. this basic tenant doesn't change even when the proletariat and the masses are divorced from one another, either subjectively or objectively (proles seeing themselves as temporary poor, proles being less a % of the population).
our agitation should be towards developing painfully acute awareness of the proletarian condition but articulating it as the starting point of a new paradigm, namely a liberation that supercedes bourgeois society in the historic sense
>>2858346so is pretending to be a clueless retard
>>2858298Yes it has but AES is offensive to the idealization some western socialists have about socialism.
>>2858352Asking for a source is being a clueless idiot?
>>2858353>Yes it has but AESName an example of AES that has abolished money
>>2858358>money gets automatically abolished >socialism isn't a transitionEven Marx did not believe what you are implying. Which further shows the point about some western socialists and idealism
People in taiwan are reporting what looks like recon drones over taipai
>>2858350>Bro’s mad because they got checked for vague-posting.not the same anon I just read the whole conversation and that was my take on what you were doing
>checkedyou weren't doing shit except playing word police
>>2858345>Then I guess you are the one who I was mainly speaking to. I forgot to tag another one as well.no i was the one who jumped in, in the middle, not the one who originally said "the masses" which triggered a huge spergout
>>2858360>socialism is a transition>Even Marx did not believe what you are implyingSource that immediately
>>2858355>Asking for a source is being a clueless idiot?sperging out because someone said "the masses", demanding they prove marx and engels used the term, and then pretending you were just testing people all along after making them jump through multiple hoops is in fact pretending to be a clueless retard
>>2858366>you weren't doing shit except playing word policeProof?
>Then I guess you are the one who I was mainly speaking to. I forgot to tag another one as well.Forgot to add “not”.
>>2858371I don’t see the word “socialism” in your source.
>>2858375You are purposefully being obtuse and acting in bad faith
>>2858294>on their right sleeve to symbolize how a flag looks on a pole when carried into battleEven gayer
>>2858377no actually he wins because i am tired of working for him for free
>>2858351>An inevitable and natural step, I have said—and I hasten to make the reservation: if only we do not permit ourselves to depart by a single step from the impending and pressing task of assisting these masses, who have already begun to rise, to act more boldly and concertedly; of giving them not a couple but dozens of open-air speakers and leaders; of creating a real, militant organisation capable of guiding the masses, and not a so-called “combat organisation” that guides elusive individuals (if it does guide them at all). That this is a difficult task goes without saying, but we can quite justifiably adapt Marx’s words which have so frequently and so ineptly been quoted of late, and say: “Every step of real movement is more important than a dozen” individual attempts and cases of resistance, more important than a hundred organisations and “parties” belonging only to the intelligentsia.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1902/dec/01.htm
>But that is not all. Oppression alone, no matter how great, does not always give rise to a revolutionary situation in a country. In most cases it is not enough for revolution that the lower classes should not want to live in the old way. It is also necessary that the upper classes should be unable to rule and govern in the old way.
>The working class draws into revolutionary action the masses of the working and exploited people, who are deprived of basic rights and driven to despair. The working class teaches them revolutionary struggle, trains them for revolutionary action, and explains to them where to find the way out and how to attain salvation. The working class teaches them, not merely by words, but by deeds, by example, and the example is provided not by the adventures of solitary heroes but by mass revolutionary action combining political and economic demands.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/jun/15.htmmass revolutionary action. no participation of the masses = no revolution. to believe otherwise is a Blanquist delusion. and lenin was saying this when the tsarist empires proletarian population stood at 4% of the total
>>2858351>depending on what hyper niche ideology you have, you either need the masses which includes people outside of the industrial proletariat or you emphasize the need for the dedicated cadre.either are nice to have
>>2858331>Share your best stories or experiences from the USA. i somehow haven't been shot or thrown in prison or raped … yet
>>2858387
1847 Marx and Engels did distinguish between Communism and Socialism, but by the end of Engels's life had changed "branding" a bit and started using the term "scientific socialism" to distinguish communism from utopian socialism
>>2858376Ooh spooky, Engels, whatever shall I do? Oh yeah, I’ll just post this:
<How do communists differ from socialists?<The so-called socialists are divided into three categories.[ Reactionary Socialists: ]
<The first category consists of adherents of a feudal and patriarchal society which has already been destroyed, and is still daily being destroyed, by big industry and world trade and their creation, bourgeois society. This category concludes, from the evils of existing society, that feudal and patriarchal society must be restored because it was free of such evils. In one way or another, all their proposals are directed to this end.<This category of reactionary socialists, for all their seeming partisanship and their scalding tears for the misery of the proletariat, is nevertheless energetically opposed by the communists for the following reasons:<(i) It strives for something which is entirely impossible.<(ii) It seeks to establish the rule of the aristocracy, the guildmasters, the small producers, and their retinue of absolute or feudal monarchs, officials, soldiers, and priests – a society which was, to be sure, free of the evils of present-day society but which brought it at least as many evils without even offering to the oppressed workers the prospect of liberation through a communist revolution.<(iii) As soon as the proletariat becomes revolutionary and communist, these reactionary socialists show their true colors by immediately making common cause with the bourgeoisie against the proletarians.[ Bourgeois Socialists: ]
<The second category consists of adherents of present-day society who have been frightened for its future by the evils to which it necessarily gives rise. What they want, therefore, is to maintain this society while getting rid of the evils which are an inherent part of it.<To this end, some propose mere welfare measures – while others come forward with grandiose systems of reform which, under the pretense of re-organizing society, are in fact intended to preserve the foundations, and hence the life, of existing society.<Communists must unremittingly struggle against these bourgeois socialists because they work for the enemies of communists and protect the society which communists aim to overthrow.[ Democratic Socialists: ]
<Finally, the third category consists of democratic socialists who favor some of the same measures the communists advocate, as described in Question 18, not as part of the transition to communism, however, but as measures which they believe will be sufficient to abolish the misery and evils of present-day society.<These democratic socialists are either proletarians who are not yet sufficiently clear about the conditions of the liberation of their class, or they are representatives of the petty bourgeoisie, a class which, prior to the achievement of democracy and the socialist measures to which it gives rise, has many interests in common with the proletariat.<It follows that, in moments of action, the communists will have to come to an understanding with these democratic socialists, and in general to follow as far as possible a common policy with them – provided that these socialists do not enter into the service of the ruling bourgeoisie and attack the communists.<It is clear that this form of co-operation in action does not exclude the discussion of differences.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htmSocialist and Socialism became dirtied words after they were stolen by liberals, so Engels pivoted strictly to the usage of communist instead, and gave further elaboration on the types of “socialists” to be wary of, as you can see above (I am not done).
>>2858391>Marx Has never distinguished the word “socialism” from communism. Engels only distinguished the word later, and even then acknowledges it as stolen.
>>2858377I am just pointing that what had provided did not back up what you said.
>>2858397
Don’t care. Didn’t ask. Plus you’re a dweeb.
>>2858376Secondly, let's address the very beginning of your post (without having to worry about word limit).
<the so-called “socialist societySo-called socialist society. Not socialist society, so-called socialist society. That is the exact words he has said. And with the added previous context, you now know exactly what he means.
>>2858383I lol'd. I am roasting like Texas bbq
>>2858382but it's a piece of shit when we argue endlessly.
>>2858381I've read some Lenin in my time back on marxist.org when I had a ton of time. Was not lenin himself referred to as a blanquist by 1917? Do we also agree that bu then the industrial proletariat had roughly doubled or tripled in size? Of course the peasantry was needed… and I like to keep in mind the originary meaning of the term prole, those who by birthing provide the raw material for society. Simply to say they're not just someone in a factory.
personally, I have a lot of sympathy for Blanqui/sm, and think that (specifically if applying to today) Lenin is overreaching in his adaptation of Marx here. by setting up a hard opposition between the individuals and the masses, the leninists act like the police (not just of the movement but of society) and negate every real intensity that may BECOME something else simply because it IS not already developed.
I believe we are at such an ebb point that one individual action of audacity is worth a thousand times all the bandwidth and server cost and effortposts of this website, inasmuch as people here have any notion of participting in historic change and have done literally nothing. I am not trying to rage bait or talk down on anyone here because I don't know you. What I'm trying to say is that we are at this stage of real political atomization that individual actions are like Hegel's abstract Being. I believe there is a dialectical resolution to this problem where we can start from where we really are and come together and organize from there. to finish and to try to be really clear, I do not think parties should denounce individual 'initiative' nor try to coopt or represent it. on the other hand, they should not preach it either and instead be the most conscious element of the movement by keeping the endgame in mind
>>285840190% of leftypol 12 year olds believe this too
>>2858409
Entropy is neither sapient nor truly dedicated to the communist movement.
>>2858401>crazy people who are advocating […] the ideals that founded this country?????? did she mean to say attacking and not advocating????? this makes no sense. good thing only gay retards like me pay attention to words
>>2858415
Source?
>>2858415
do you at least get a laugh when you type up this shit
>>2858413This really cheered me up, thanks anon!
>>2858325>You don't want a revolution anywayIs that relevant
>>2858421
answer the question:
>do you at least get a laugh when you type up this shit
>>2858405>Was not lenin himself referred to as a blanquist by 1917? no. his writings up until the coup always reflected the need for broad popular support for any power grab could succeed. even when the masses rose up themselves spontaneously in the July Days crisis and demanded the bolsheviks take action he hesitated. he was always noting of the danger of the masses outpacing the parties in action
>>2858421
Rocks also aren’t alive, so all the qualities you have mentioned are pointless. You can’t even argue for simulacrum communism here because they’re just rocks.
>>2858430
you don't strike me as sober
>>2858397>>2858415>>2858430vid related
>>2858429I will look into this and might get back to you. I think he was 'accused' of blanquism by the mensheviks…btw I was accidentally using the socrates flag for those posts. I do red flag lately.
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>Communism isn’t for any life form
oh boy, you shouldn't study animal microbiology. stay away of knowing things like how every cell works from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
>>2858434
That’s like your opinion dude.
>>2858434
>to be or not to be
that is the question and the answer depends on who what when where why and how you are
>>2858276LLMs aren't as powerful or infallible as you think. Hell people were able to trick them by hiding in cardboard boxes or can poison the data by giving it terrible commands. You fell for the AI Hype snake-oil that these techbros are selling.
Its literally just a predictive calculator. It turns letters into numbers and uses its training to calculate and predict the best answer, even when the answer is completely wrong.
>>2857759Stalin would have done worse the the hippies.
>>2858335It's pretty telling that one of your friends is a thug who murdered innocent people for the endless profits of capital, feels no remorse and you empathize with him, because this is your end goal, the complete, violent destruction of the rest of the world to benefit America.
Unlike your friend, you're just too much of a coward to do anything about it.
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