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๐Ÿ—ฝ UNITED STATES POLITICS ๐Ÿฆ…

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkkaโ„ข

<7/7 Never Forget Edition

OP Backup Site: https://usapol.neocities.org/
๐Ÿ’€ ICE & Prison Resources

(Amerika is the most incarcerated country in the world!)

ICE tracker using public info and user submissions // https://www.iceinmyarea.org/
list of deaths at ICE concentration camps // https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers
visualization of prison population in US // https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/
Organizing in Prison โ€” for when the walls close in (RANT Collective) // https://www.organizingforpower.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Organizing-in-Jail.pdf
database of U.S. facilities incl. ICE holding sites // https://alcpress.org/usjails/index.html
list of prison related resources, mailing lists, etc // https://www.prisonactivist.org/resources
ICE Agent List (incomplete) // https://wiki.icelist.is/index.php/Category:Agents
US Political Prison Tracker (last updated 2025) // https://uspoliticalprisoners.com/

Jailhouse Reading:

๐Ÿ“– Angela Davis - Are Prisons Obsolete? // https://dn790007.ca.archive.org/0/items/the-anarchist-library-full-list-of-pdfs-nov-2020/angela-y-davis-are-prisons-obsolete.pdf
๐Ÿ“– How to Defend Yourself During Police Interrogation // https://www.notrace.how/resources/download/comment-la-police-interroge-et-comment-sen-defendre/how-to-defend-yourself-during-a-police-interrogation.pdf
๐Ÿ“– National Lawyers Guild guide to being a jailhouse lawyer // https://www.jailhouselaw.org/
๐Ÿ“– Critical Resistance - Surviving Solitary Confinement // https://criticalresistance.org/resources/surviving-solitary/
๐Ÿ“– An inside-outside publication for abolitionist struggle & strategy across prison walls // https://criticalresistance.org/abolitionist/
๐Ÿ“– Prisonersโ€™ Self-Help Litigation Manual // https://api.pageplace.de/preview/DT0400.9780199705665_A35159258/preview-9780199705665_A35159258.pdf

โš’๏ธ LABOR!

Live strike tracker with deep stats on who, what and when // https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/
AFL-CIO [imperialist]'s Strike Tracker // https://aflcio.org/strike-map
Labor Bureau's Official 'work stoppage' tracker // https://www.bls.gov/wsp/
IWW timeline for the 20th century (ends at 1999) // https://archive.iww.org/history/chronology/
IWW Work Place Organizing Guide // https://usa.anarchistlibraries.net/library/industrial-workers-of-the-world-libcom-org-solidarity-federation-walthamstow-anarchist-group-wo
โ–ถ Salting | Work Place Organizing 101 (50 minute webinar) // https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SHlCLyM4FY

โš–๏ธ Deeds of the Burger Reich ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ

deep list of horrible shit we (royal we) have done // https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
Coups and regime changes โ€“ master list // https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list
Wikipedia: United States War Crimes // https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
/our boys/ (bring em home!) detail abusing Iraqi prisoners [2006] // https://www.hrw.org/report/2006/07/22/no-blood-no-foul/soldiers-accounts-detainee-abuse-iraq
More than 250 military interventions in the last 30 years alone // https://blackagendareport.com/us-launched-251-military-interventions-1991-and-469-1798
Visualisation of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade // https://www.slavevoyages.org/
UNESCO Sites relating to Slavery // https://slaveryandremembrance.org/
First Hand Documents of the horrors of Slavery // https://www.loc.gov/collections/slave-narratives-from-the-federal-writers-project-1936-to-1938/

๐Ÿ“บ Glowie News ๐Ÿ“บ

(sponsored by the Burger Eagle Freedom Institute (formerly USAID))

CNN Live // https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html
MSNBC Live // https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html
FOX Live // https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html
Bloomberg Live // https://www.bloomberg.com/live/us
Burger House Live // https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/
Local News // https://www.50states.com/ce/
Weather // https://www.noaa.gov/weather

๐Ÿ“บ Gommie News ๐Ÿ“บ

Jacobin // https://jacobin.com/
Black Agenda Report // https://blackagendareport.com/
The Grayzone // https://thegrayzone.com/
Leftvoice // https://www.leftvoice.org/
Newsanon Filter // https://leftypol.org/search.php?search=name%3A%22News+Anon+3.0%22&board=leftypol

๐Ÿ๏ธ Epstein's Client List ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

Epstein's Black Book // https://epsteinsblackbook.com/
DOJ Disclosures // https://www.justice.gov/epstein/doj-disclosures
Track AIPAC // https://www.trackaipac.com/
Al Jazeera visual guide (2026) // https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/10/struggling-to-navigate-the-epstein-files-here-is-a-visual-guide

Essential American Politik ๐Ÿ“–

๐Ÿ“– WEB Du Bois - Black Reconstruction // https://cominsitu.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/w-e-b-du-bois-black-reconstruction-an-essay-toward-a-history-of-the-part-which-black-folk-played-in-the-attempt-to-reconstruct-democracy-2.pdf
๐Ÿ“– Eugene Debs - Fourth of July Speech // https://jacobin.com/2020/07/eugene-debs-independence-day-address-fourth-july
๐Ÿ“– Power Anywhere There's People! โ€“ Fred Hampton // https://www.hamptonthink.org/read/power-anywhere-where-thats-people-fred-hampton
๐Ÿ“– War is a Racket โ€“ Smedley Butler // https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html
๐Ÿ“– Letters From an American Farmer โ€“ St. John de Crevoecoeur // https://americanliterature.com/author/j-hector-st-john-de-crevoecoeur/book/letters-from-an-american-farmer/summary
๐Ÿ“– Trail of Broken Treaties // American Indian Movement https://www.usu.edu/mountainwest/files/bennion-workshop/trail-of-broken-treaties-20-point-position-paper-1972.pdf
๐Ÿ“– The Declaration of Independence https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
๐Ÿ“– The Ballot or the Bullet โ€“ Malcolm X // https://www.gilderlehrman.org/sites/default/files/inline-pdfs/ballot_or_bullet.pdf
๐Ÿ“– What to the Slave is the Fourth of July? โ€“ Frederick Douglass // https://www.gilderlehrman.org/sites/default/files/inline-pdfs/douglass_july_4_speech.pdf
๐Ÿ“– A Trail of Broken Treaties โ€“ American Indian Movement // https://www.usu.edu/mountainwest/files/bennion-workshop/trail-of-broken-treaties-20-point-position-paper-1972.pdf
๐Ÿ“– Custer Died for Your Sins โ€“ Vine Deloria Jr. // http://www.riversimulator.org/Resources/Books/CusterDiedForYourSinsAnIndianManifesto1969Deloria.pdf
๐Ÿ“– Emancipation Proclamation โ€“ Lincoln // https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/emancipation-proclamation
๐Ÿ“– Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville // https://americanliterature.com/author/alexis-de-tocqueville/book/democracy-in-america/summary
๐Ÿ“– Common Sense โ€“ Thomas Paine // https://americainclass.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Common-Sense-Full-Text.pdf
๐Ÿ“– An Indigenous History of the United States โ€“ Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz // https://nycstandswithstandingrock.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/dunbar-ortiz-2014.pdf
๐Ÿ“– Huey Long โ€“ Share Our Wealth // https://www.hueylong.com/programs/share-our-wealth/huey-longs-share-our-wealth-speech

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>>2862900
We mvst uphold of the value form

>>2862900
>first quote talking about day traders/speculators
>referred to as "retail workers"
stopped reading, kill yourself

>>2862912
>they directly produce the bombs
erm acktually america doesnt produce any Nitrocellulose, most of its exported from China, so really its the third world providing the material that bombs themselves

>>2862900
>Marx was demonstrating the absurdity of bourgeois political economy, in its thinking that any banker or blackwater mercenary who affords a shareholder a profit is productive.
No he isn't, you're conflating people who sell services as freelancers (the people referred to in that first passage) with people who sell their labour power to a capitalist. Its the difference between a private gardener hired directly by a property owner versus an employee of a landscaping company. That is the central relation that makes somebody a productive labourer, and crucially what lays the basis of their antagonism to capitalists and the capitalist system. What the capitalist does with that labour power after they purchase it is irrelevant, so long as they are extracting surplus value. If we follow your logic we are led to all kinds of absurd conclusions, mainly that somebody can have the exact same relationship to the capitalist and the capitalist system but for some reason not be considered a worker because their labour power is used for something other than producing physical commodities. How do the class interests of a retail worker differ from those of a factory worker?
>and mao said teachers are bourgeois and retail workers are semi-proletarian
Idk how shit worked in feudal China, but it's pretty obvious that you can't be bourgeois if you don't own capital, and teachers in modern Western countries generally don't. Either the nature of these professions was radically different in early 20th century China, or Mao unironically believed that you could be bourgeois even when you owned no capital.

>>2862914
Not when do-nothing theory addicts that appropriate communism (you) sit on your asses afraid to do anything

>>2862917
Without inputs from the third world there is no industry anywhere

>>2862919
Youโ€™re advocating nihilist adventurism though, which is what the feds want

>>2862920
>Without inputs from the third world there is no industry anywhere
exactly, so in order to starve the first world of commodities every single third world nation needs to be excluded from the global economy in the same way cuba is. only then can true communism can be achieved amirite fellow ultras??

>>2862922
Iโ€™m advocating for militant and uncompromising protracted peopleโ€™s war and campaign of red terror on the labor aristocracy and its intelligentsia, the opposite of useless adventurism

>>2862926
ppw AND red terror? my larp meter just maxxed out wth

>>2862926
Protracted Peopleโ€™s War has exactly two successes, in China where the Japanese and the Soviets intervened, and in Nepal which resulted in liberal democracy and a color revolution last year. Everywhere else itโ€™s been a complete objective failure, in the Philippines, in Colombia, in Peru, and in Turkey.

>>2862928
And the Soviet Union, DPRK, Vietnam, South Africa, and so on. But you are correct that ppw wonโ€™t bring โ€œrevolutionโ€ to America as that would require a proletarian base of which America has none. The goal of communists is the uncompromising destruction of the imperial core, nothing less

>>2862932
The Russian and Korean revolutions were not PPWs and the ANC armed campaign in South Africa failed, thereโ€™s an argument for Vietnam but even that involved a lot of conventional warfare on the part of PAVN

>>2862932
How are the PPW warriors supposed to feed themselves with no peasants or proles. Youโ€™re supposed to swim through the people like water but if itโ€™s toxic sludge that doesnโ€™t work.

>>2862936
If youโ€™re too lazy or mentally incompetent to forge, hunt, or scavenge for food independent of the existing apparatus of first world luxury then youโ€™re a liability to communism, sorry not sorry

>>2862928
Failed in India too. Its a product of crises under material conditions, hilarious how maoists think they can not only will it into existence but end up victorious

>a doctor produces no economic value
>a factory worker comes in saying his shoulder joint popped out
>the doctor sets his shoulder so that the worker may continue to work at the factory producing things
>the doctor is compensated for doing this
>this is not economically valuable activity
wow is marx a fucking retard? do we need to find a new ideology bros?

>>2862942
Hunting, fishing, and foraging are not consistently or reliable. Youโ€™d be better served sticking up the dollar general.

>>2862947
Wow itโ€™s almost like the real world is constant struggle and effortless luxury is only possible with the rape and exploitation of the periphery

>>2862946
That's still not the point. Whether or not a person is productive or not has nothing to do with the use values that result from their labour. In fact this is specifically the notion that Marx argues against. Unfortunately people have no reading comprehension and can't actually follow what he's saying, or else they are projecting the modern ways in which some professions function onto the 19th century when they worked differently (e.g. taking a quote referring to a freelance private tutor and applying it to modern public school teachers). He says specifically and in no unclear language that productive labour is defined by the production of surplus value via selling labour power to a capitalist. This is the only definition that makes any sense, since otherwise you would need to explain how a retail worker is any less of a class enemy of their employer when compared to a factory worker. Whether the doctor in your example creates a use value with their labour is irrelevant then, the question is whether they produce surplus value through the sale of labour power.

>>2862955
You donโ€™t think communism would have at least some effortless luxury? Or at the very least low effort luxury? If not why fight and die or go to jail for it?

>>2862958
can a doctor not be an employee? what's the difference?

>>2862961
They could, and when they are they are productive labourers.

>>2862960
Because I believe that the imperial periphery is human and Iโ€™m not so shallow that I think life is about treats

>>2862964
I think theyโ€™re fully human too, thatโ€™s why I think everyone deserves treats

>>2862966
Okay have fun with unsustainable global luxury production that requires massive amounts of slave labor which runs out of raw materials in five years and produces a โ€œproletariatโ€ too pacified and domesticated to pick up a hammer

>>2862878
>>2862881
a shitload of modern western feminism is specifically Professional Managerial Class women who are trying to make working class women feel like they're constantly under threat by half the population so they get their own personal army.
A lot of the worst of the modern feminist movement is coming from these PMC types who actually have the capacity to write advisories for lawmaking, drive major ideological thrusts, etc.

Not to say that there aren't a lot of women who are actually victimized, but there's a very real class manipulation once you look at who's doing what.

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>>2862918
>>2862916
once again, you prove your ignorance of Marx. I couldnt screenshot the entire chapter, but Marx is talking about anyone who sells anything, material goods in this case, and he even simplifies this to a wage-worker who works for a merchant. Read it very slowly. You say too much dumb shit to bother correcting but I will say this to try.

Marx was critic of bourgeois political economy. What the capitalist thinker deems productive is incorrect. You restating smith and telling me blackwater mercenaries really are productive because they afford a capitalist a profit is not genius, it is moronic. What mao deems productive is correct, yet you call him the fool. The best i can do for you is refer you to passages in soviet and chinese political economic textbooks where they explicitly explain all this.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1885-c2/ch06.htm

https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/pe-ch15.htm
>Furthermore, part of the national income is transferred, by way of payments for, what are called services, to the non-productive branches (e.g., for use of municipal services, medical aid, places of entertainment, etc.). As already pointed out, no social product is created in these branches, nor, consequently, any national income; but the capitalists who exploit the workers employed in these branches receive part of the national income created in the branches of material production. From this income the capitalists who own businesses in the non-productive branches pay the wages of their workers, meet the material outlay which they have to find (for premises, equipment, heating, etc.) and take their profit.
>The aggregate social product, and therefore also the national income, are created by workers employed in the various branches of material production. This means all those branches in which material wealth is produced: industry, agriculture, building, transport, etc.
https://www.bannedthought.net/USA/RCP/Books/MaoistEconomics-ShanghaiTextbook-Lotta-OCR-sm.pdf
<National income is created by the laborers of the branches of material production.
before you call mao an idiot and mindlessly parrot smith as if Marx and Smith, and Smith and all Marxists, had no distinguishable between lines on productive labour, please read all these books and familiarize yourself with proletarian political economy

>>2862968
Every child in Kivu brutalized by Rwanda will have a free gaming pc, cope and seethe

>>2862975
Any musician that makes a recording has made a product in the same way a factory worker does, this has been true since the invention of the vinyl record

>>2862878
women aren't here because women are higher in agreeableness than men on average and imageboards are a profoundly disagreeable medium
>b-but there are female imageboards
improbable exception for strange and broken women, just like how /leftypol/ is the improbable exception of a left-wing western imageboard, or how western imageboard culture in general is mostly about circlejerking and getting mad about how you don't like the new thing despite ostensibly being an ideal medium for open discussion.

>>2862881
  1. most US men are broken and raised wrong. you can read this off ex-post from their attitudes. to be right wing without being rich is to be mentally ill.
  2. women are massively common in leftist spaces online, it's just that you're thinking of /leftypol/ and not tumblr or bsky.
  3. the average woman under 55 is some kind of socialist (55% of women in this age group would rather live in a socialist country) and the average man under 55 is a trump voter. https://www.axios.com/2019/06/09/axios-hbo-poll-55-percent-women-prefer-socialism
(dated, admittedly, but a quick example. most polls obviously focus on dem/rep alignment rather than capitalist/socialist. VERY annoyingly, the cato institute has a more recent poll that shows even higher support for socialism but doesn't offer an easy breakdown by gender.)
your thesis flops on the face of it. women who think they're going to marry a rich capitalist husband should be pro-capitalism, not pro-socialism.

39% of high-school aged US women say they never want to marry. they're not holding out for a rich man, they don't see a need for any man. nice, perhaps, if they can get one, but not a need. and they're right to think this way. materially, in the digital age, we have moved beyond the material need for gender distinctions. having previously been cast as default, all the desirable parts of manhood are now universal leaving behind only sludge that any self-respecting man has nothing to do with.

>>2862975
doesn't exactly disprove anything sabo said

>>2862976
based. buckets of caviar in every home

>>2862968
malthusian bullshit

>>2862975
>Marx was critic of bourgeois political economy
He was also an analyst of capitalist economics and society, and specifically how social relationships between people in this society shaped their interactions and interests. Explain to me how the class relationship between a retail worker and their boss is different from a factory worker and their boss. How do the associated class interests differ?
>You restating smith
Marx agrees with Smith on this question, and says so openly.
<Only labour which produces capital is productive labour. Commodities or money become capital, however, through being exchanged directly for labour-power, and exchanged only in order to be replaced by more labour than they themselves contain. For the use-value of labour-power to the capitalist as a capitalist does not consist in its actual use-value, in the usefulness of this particular concrete labourโ€”that it is spinning labour, weaving labour, and so on. He is as little concerned with this as with the use-value of the product of this labour as such, since for the capitalist the product is a commodity (even before its first metamorphosis), not an article of consumption. What interests him in the commodity is that it has more exchange-value than he paid for it; and therefore the use-value of the labour is, for him, that he gets back a greater quantity of labour-time than he has paid out in the form of wages. Included among these productive workers, of course, are all those who contribute in one way or another to the production of the commodity, from the actual operative to the manager or engineer (as distinct from the capitalist), And so even the latest English official report on the factories โ€œexplicitlyโ€ includes in the category of employed wage-labourers all persons employed in the factories and in the offices attached to them, with the exception of the manufacturers themselves (see the wording of the report before the concluding part of this rubbish).
<Productive labour is here defined from the standpoint of capitalist production, and Adam Smith here got to the very heart of the matter, hit the nail on the head.

marx said this, noooo marx said that, marx said shut the fuck up, engels said "Our doctrine is not a dogma, but a guide to action", i said shut the fuck up. fit theories to reality instead of shoehorning reality into theory.

>>2862977
material production is the term the marxist textbooks use. You can email Peking foreign press and the Chinese Communist Party if you thin theyre wrong. music does not constitute material production.

>>2862987
Yes it does, physical media is a product and so are digital files

>>2862968
>>2862983
Ahistorical bullshit as well. The American civil already demonstrated the superiority of advanced industrial society, mechanization, and a more freed up and educated workforce over slave focused economies.

>>2862979
>men over-represented
Sexist exclusion

>women over-represented
Gender superiority

Feminoids are beyond parody lol

>>2862987
It's the term they use to refer to the economics of a society already undergoing socialist construction, not as an analysis of class relations in bourgeois society.

>>2862979
Performative liberal nonsense.
>most US men are broken and raised wrong. you can read this off ex-post from their attitudes. to be right wing without being rich is to be mentally ill.
Bullshit
>the average man under 55 is a trump voter. https://www.axios.com/2019/06/09/axios-hbo-poll-55-percent-women-prefer-socialism
Bullshit
>(dated, admittedly, but a quick example. most polls obviously focus on dem/rep alignment rather than capitalist/socialist. VERY annoyingly, the cato institute has a more recent poll that shows even higher support for socialism but doesn't offer an easy breakdown by gender.)
Not bullshit
>>2862992
>Feminoids
Chud

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>>2862900
if physicians are parasites as your troll image and text suggests, why does cuba bother training so many of them? are they stupid? do workers not need their cancer diagnosed and their hips replaced?

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>>2862992
you can't analyse the status game if you're trying to play it at the same time. stop being a loser.
if women complain about being underrepresented it's because the thing is desirable or because they're mocking the thing for not being able to attract women. if men are under-represented it's usually because a substantial number of men are faggots who don't like being around women because they think having a female occupation/hobby/etc will lower their status with other men. (DON'T google the ratio of men to women on veterinary courses over time or the phenomenon of male flight.)

here's my angle: leftists and liberals believe nice things and have high cultural status, rightists believe bad things and have low cultural status. the war of the sexes is irrelevant except insofar as it's worth wondering why women pick the right answer more often than men.

>>2863004
prove to the class you know what performative means by explaining what, exactly, i am "performing."
i stand by my statement that rightism is mental illness and i stand by my claim that the average man under 55 voted for trump.
(as it happens, i don't care much about sex as a discriminator here. i go for education as my explanatory tool and you could fudge up a just-so story about the male-female gap being mostly about more women going to college compared to men. if "going to college" turns rightists into lib/leftists, "not going to college" is being raised wrong. simple as.)

>>2862821
>The ones I have seen in that thread are quoting Carl Schmitt
>no screenshots or context
damn that's crazy

>>2863010
>prove to the class
What class?
>i stand by my statement that rightism is mental illness
Not wrong, but not the complete truth. Rightism is also confusion and ignorance.
>i stand by my claim that the average man under 55 voted for trump
Sauceless statement
>if "going to college" turns rightists into lib/leftists, "not going to college" is being raised wrong. simple as
Not an absolute

>>2863015
the metaphorical class which positions me as a teacher, everyone else as students, and you in particular as a bad student being told to explain their behaviour to the class, all for comic effect. (now here's the lesson: unlike anything in my earlier post, that particular phrase was performative.)

>>2862625
>leftoid media
>ditch the people who found Platner objectionable
I didn't even see that but then again, i don't go to shit sites like twitter all the time

>make their beds with the DNC "progressives"
The people who found him objectionable were the main part of the DNC, DNC "progressives" and DNCfags who where copying the DEM's AIPAC text in /USA/, he still won the first part of vote after when everyone was shit talking for the wrong/dumbest reason and only a few times with maybe past crimes were talked, so the first part with "cancelled" is less of thing now to the point where plantman could've keep going still.

>Platner was meant as a trojan horse from day one
nearly all progressive dems like AOC are

Reminder,
the whole TWister Vs. Treatler spam is nothing but barely concealed poltard wrecking to make leftists look shitty.


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