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>>2859547 The DSA is not viable
Regarding the popularity uptick of the DSA, let us recall some facts.
The RSDLP as a whole also consisted of Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, the Jewish Bund (from 1906), the Polish Social Democracy (SDKPiL), the Latvian Social Democracy, and smaller groups. Estimates for the total party are approximate but generally agreed as follows:
<1905Perhaps 20,000–30,000 total members. Bolsheviks numbered ~8,400; the Menshevik faction likely held a similar or slightly larger number. The Bund, not yet formally reunited, had its own mass membership (around 30,000) but was not fully part of the RSDLP until 1906.
<1906After the 4th (Unity) Congress in Stockholm, the reunited party (including the Bund) reached roughly 70,000–80,000 members. Bolsheviks themselves reported ~13,000.
<1907 Peak membership: around 150,000. At the 5th (London) Congress the main components reported:
Bolsheviks: ~46,100
Mensheviks: ~38,000–40,000
Jewish Bund: ~33,000
Polish Social Democracy (SDKPiL): ~25,000
Latvian Social Democracy: ~13,000
<1908–1912Collapse to a few thousand. Police repression destroyed the mass organisations. By 1909–1910 the entire RSDLP (all factions together) probably numbered no more than 5,000–10,000 active members, operating in tiny underground cells. The Bolsheviks were a diminished fraction of that, while the Mensheviks and the Bund likewise suffered decimation. When the Bolsheviks formally broke away in 1912 to form their own party, the remaining “RSDLP (Menshevik)” organisation was also very small – comparable to the Bolsheviks’ 5,000–10,000. The Bolsheviks, for example
Petrograd: 8,000 (1907) → 3,000 (1908)
Moscow: 500 → 150 (1909)
Yekaterinburg: 1,070 → 250
Ivanovo-Voznesensk: 2,000 → 600
<1912 - 1917. Data unavailable. It's estimated that the party's size before 1914 was between 5,000 and 10,000
<Feb 1917 23,600. Just before the February Revolution, the party was a small, disciplined underground organization.
<April 191779,000.
<July 1917240.000
<Oct 1917 up to 400.000
The nucleus of the Party will be built in the next two years and it will come from the DSA. You can help this process, or you can stop it. Stopping it means going back to sects and irrelevancy. Helping means ending the duopoly and social-democratic reformist illusion of the largest socialist movement currently existing and creating a large, well-organized and well-connected communist fraction, which will, in few more years, be ready to call for dual power.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/ch07.htm>Parliamentarianism has become “historically obsolete”. That is true in the propaganda sense. However, everybody knows that this is still a far cry from overcoming it in practice. Capitalism could have been declared—and with full justice—to be “historically obsolete” many decades ago, but that does not at all remove the need for a very long and very persistent struggle on the basis of capitalism. Parliamentarianism is “historically obsolete” from the standpoint of world history, i.e., the era of bourgeois parliamentarianism is over, and the era of the proletarian dictatorship has begun. That is incontestable. But world history is counted in decades. Ten or twenty years earlier or later makes no difference when measured with the yardstick of world history; from the standpoint of world history it is a trifle that cannot be considered even approximately. But for that very reason, it is a glaring theoretical error to apply the yardstick of world history to practical politics.
>Marxism alone has precisely and correctly defined the relation of reforms to revolution, although Marx was able to see this relation only from one aspect — under the conditions preceding the first to any extent permanent and lasting victory of the proletariat, if only in one country. Under those conditions, the basis of the proper relation was that reforms are a by-product of the revolutionary class struggle of the proletariat. Throughout the capitalist world this relation is the foundation of the revolutionary tactics of the proletariat — the ABC, which is being distorted and obscured by the corrupt leaders of the Second International and the half-pedantic and half-finicky knights of the Two-and-a-Half International.
>Before the victory of the proletariat, reforms are a by-product of the revolutionary class struggle. After the victory (while still remaining a “by-product” on an international scale) they are, in addition, for the country in which victory has been achieved, a necessary and legitimate breathing space when, after the utmost exertion of effort, it becomes obvious that sufficient strength is lacking for the revolutionary accomplishment of some transition or another. Victory creates such a “reserve of strength” that it is possible to hold out even in a forced retreat, hold out both materially and morally. Holding out materially means preserving a sufficient superiority of forces to prevent the enemy from inflicting utter defeat. Holding out morally means not allowing oneself to become demoralised and disorganised, keeping a sober view of the situation, preserving vigour and firmness of spirit, even retreating a long way, but not too far, and in such a way as to stop the retreat in time and revert to the offensive.— V.I. Lenin, “The Importance of Gold Now and After the Complete Victory of Socialism” (November 1921)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/jan/24c.htm>“The Social-Democrats (i.e. RSDLP) long ago predicted that such would be the inevitable outcome of the Zubatov movement in our country. The legalisation of the working-class movement, they said, would definitely benefit us Social-Democrats. It would draw certain sections of the workers into the movement, especially the backward sections; it would help to rouse those who would not soon, perhaps ever, be roused by a socialist agitator. And once drawn into the movement and having acquired an interest in their own future, the workers would go further. The legal labour movement would only be a new and broader basis for the Social-Democratic labour movement.”
>“Initiated by the police in the interests of the police, in the interests of supporting the autocracy and demoralising the political consciousness of the workers, this movement [Zubatovschina] is turning against the autocracy and is becoming an outbreak of the proletarian, class struggle.”>>2860622This is the most cowardly tactic of all.
>um excuse me everyone on this website believes X>if you believe Y go back to Z websiteIf everyone agreed with you, you wouldn't be spamming the same arguments day in, day out. The next tactic that comes afternoon:
>whoa why are there so many Y believers here? Are we getting raided?Cowardly people.
>Quoting Lenin in support of a bourgeois political party
Only on /leftypol/
>>2860632its not "everyone on this website believes X" its that "this is a Marxist website, the DSA are not Marxists"
>>2860632>The mission of /leftypol/ at leftypol.org is to provide a fun and enjoyable space for the working masses around the world, as an anonymous community of non-sectarian leftists united in common cause against the forces of capitalism, fascism, and liberalism.https://leftypol.org/faq.htmlseems weird to come to a website that defines itself like this to complain about people not cheerleading for libs like lula winning elections
Reminder that all trolls are subhumans and you should swat them
>>2860631the DSA will just be absorbed by the democrats and give dems a slightly more social welfare orientation not a Bolshevik revolution
>Actually, the DSA are just like the Bolsheviks. Here, let me quote you some membership statistics…
Hi im a canadian
The DSA doesnt exist in canada only small parties other then like the RCP. What do?
>>2860643Absolutely fucking nothing.
>>2860626everyone knows they don't want to 'do the revolution' but posters conceded last thread that they don't exert much control over members or chapters (idk the specifics) so I think they're the group to at least hide in the shadow of and try to further radicalize members or use as a front to pursue clandestine organized work. I know that's not their goal but I feel like conditions may develop faster than the leadership can respond to. I think we should look for development, and that just wasting them for not being PURE enough is unhistorical/undialectical
>>2860643the NDP is revolutionary and you have a proletarian duty to support them
(unless you live in a liberal riding, then you have to vote for them)
>>2860643Canada will be annexed by the end of the decade so it doesn't even really matter
So someone was impersonating Sabocat anon in the last thread?
>>2860643>>2860646if you're in quebec you have to support the bloc/PQ instead (QS are ultras) because they're the national bourgeoisie which is progressive and stuff
>>2860630CPUSAnon, is that you?
>>2860645Its not about being PURE enough its that reformists groups exist not to fight capitalism but to bargin with capitalism for a slighly comfier life. This is why they have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo and will fight communists to do so or harm any future revolutionary potential which is historically accurate
The more they seethe at Platner, the more I know he is innocent. Trump/Clinton has done so much worse but he is bulletproof. This guy, 0 evidence but I am supposed to pearl-clutch against him. Nah. He is probably based.
>>2860636>community of non-sectarian leftists Are you illiterate?
>>2860635>"this is a Marxist websiteSource?
>the DSA are not Marxists"Source?
>>2860658>"this is a Marxist website>Source?leftypol.org
>the DSA are not Marxists">Source?dsausa.org
>>2860648Feed the thread into your LLM so it can explain what happened for you
>>2860652Like look at this shit.
Coordinated smear campagin.
Platner, hold the line basedboy.
>>2860653no, are you? because libs and capitalists in general are excluded from "the left" on that quote, therefore shitting on them is not sectarian
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1873/01/indifferentism.htm> “The working class must not constitute itself a political party; it must not, under any pretext, engage in political action, for to combat the state is to recognize the state: and this is contrary to eternal principles. Workers must not go on strike; for to struggle to increase one's wages or to prevent their decrease is like recognizing wages: and this is contrary to the eternal principles of the emancipation of the working class!
>“If in the political struggle against the bourgeois state the workers succeed only in extracting concessions, then they are guilty of compromise; and this is contrary to eternal principles. All peaceful movements, such as those in which English and American workers have the bad habit of engaging, are therefore to be despised. Workers must not struggle to establish a legal limit to the working day, because this is to compromise with the masters, who can then only exploit them for ten or twelve hours, instead of fourteen or sixteen. They must not even exert themselves in order legally to prohibit the employment in factories of children under the age of ten, because by such means they do not bring to an end the exploitation of children over ten: they thus commit a new compromise, which stains the purity of the eternal principles.
>“Workers should even less desire that, as happens in the United States of America, the state whose budget is swollen by what is taken from the working class should be obliged to give primary education to the workers' children; for primary education is not complete education. It is better that working men and working women should not be able to read or write or do sums than that they should receive education from a teacher in a school run by the state. It is far better that ignorance and a working day of sixteen hours should debase the working classes than that eternal principles should be violated.
<It cannot be denied that if the apostles of political indifferentism were to express themselves with such clarity, the working class would make short shrift of them and would resent being insulted by these doctrinaire bourgeois and displaced gentlemen, who are so stupid or so naive as to attempt to deny to the working class any real means of struggle. For all arms with which to fight must be drawn from society as it is and the fatal conditions of this struggle have the misfortune of not being easily adapted to the idealistic fantasies which these doctors in social science have exalted as divinities, under the names of Freedom, Autonomy, Anarchy. However the working-class movement is today so powerful that these philanthropic sectarians dare not repeat for the economic struggle those great truths which they used incessantly to proclaim on the subject of the political struggle. They are simply too cowardly to apply them any longer to strikes, combinations, single-craft unions, laws on the labour of women and children, on the limitation of the working day etc., etc. >>2860659You haven't listed a source that backs either of your claims.
>>2860664anons will get filtered by this because they will assume the greentext is marx and then not finish the orange text
>>2860639100% guaranteed if you just seethepost all day
>>2860651I said this a couple threads ago but if you want to be le historic, then I think you're really missing something to the point I get suspicious of you. You're missing how fucking low tide labor/socialism is in the US rn. We are rediscovering trade union consciousness as a whole class, taking this 'privilege' from the fraying and decaying unions. We are so low, that organizing is step 0 and step 1 is using organization to pursue just about anything. The proletariat as a class needs political education from struggle (per Lenin) not just quoting the man about how reform and rev aren't the same or compatible, which is not a secret but doesn't hurt to make known, but it hurts to not act on the basis that reality doesn't fit a mold. Change over time, in material conditions, then reflected in consciousness…isn't this the ybasis of praxis?
>>2860668don't bother man. they're gonna keep missing the point on purpose. they make the same errors marx points out in the text he quotes here
>>2860664 sometimes i think socialist organization in america is a dead end but then i look at europes and asias situation and i realize it could be a lot worse. the german constitution explicitly forbids anti-democratic political parties full stop, for example
>>2860666he is trolling you
It feels a bit weird that all the people defending him to the death are jumping Platner's ship considering all the other shit he's done - because of a story in Politico (owned the the right-wing Springer media). I don't know, this feels super coordinated.
>>2860661bro i hate that people use skin colors in their hand emojis now. i know that's totally off topic but it's really weird.
>>2860679They're okay with shelling people with mortar fire for fun but they draw the line at rape… At least they draw the line somewhere I guess 😒
>"says she didn’t go public with the specific assault claim because she didn’t want to be known as a rape victim."
>>2860681This. Sometimes my white friends use black/brown skin emojis when they text me. They are trying to ally-signal but it feels like othering. I've never actually told anybody this because I don't want to make them feel bad.
>>2860691It's unfortunate for these animals to be associated with something completely alien to themselves
>>2860685It doesn't seem that surprising? One is just more visceral and personal than the other; more people probably would be okay with pressing a button to kill a person than strangling someone to death too.
>>2860691aren't they extinct now?
>>2860685wait till everyone finds out about the tattoo he got covered up
>>2860679>this feels super coordinatedIt's herd mentality. His canceling a bunch of campaign events in response showed weakness and the line broke.
>>2860684>>2860685More like white women have a lot more practice at utilizing gossip. Emmett Till anyone?
Why is Graham Platner extremely supported by the omni-cause activists despite him killing Middle Eastern people in Iraq & Afghanistan?
The same performative woke communists who claim all Israeli citizens are "genocidal babykillers" (note they are not even just talking about current IDF soldiers during the Gaza war, but all civilians).
The War on Terror (killed 4.5 million of which 1 million were direct military deaths) is much less justified than the Gaza war. After 9/11, the USA could have merely increased Airport Security & it would have been enough, as Al Qaeda was not ruling Canada or Mexico & the USA is not surrounded by enemies in all directions (like Hezbollah from the top & Houthis from the bottom, who started attacking on Oct 8). Israel had far more security reasons to start a war. Israel knew who (Hamas) did it & where they were. The USA didn't even know where Bin Laden was hiding & attacked 5 countries & turns out he was in a different country (Pakistan) living close to one of their military headquarters.
Yet communists are not calling Graham Platner as "genocidal babykiller" for partaking in the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. In fact, recently, there have been many credible sexual assault allegations against him & the woke people in the comments are defending him (see today's Twitter posts). This is Bizarre, normally in the context of Israel, they gulp down even baseless conspiracies. But for Planter, even credible things they are defending.
No one forced Platner to join that war, unlike in the Vietnam War, where people were forced. The woke people don't care about him killing Middle East civilians. Even in the Gaza war, the communists don't care about the Levant Sunni Arabs (Palestinians), as is obvious from them defending Assad & Hezbollah butchering 600,000 Levant Sunni Arabs in Syria in the name of righteous "anti-imperialism" of Iran.
It seems to be subconscious antisemitism from the communists that they pretend to care so much about Gaza. That's why they don't care about anything Platner did, as they saw that he had a Nazi tattoo for many years (although he now claims he never knew what it was, his friends & ex-girlfriend confirmed that he had in the past jokingly referred to it as a Nazi tattoo many years ago). It seems that Tattoo alone is enough for the omni-cause woke people to justify anything he did in the past, including killing people in Iraq & Afghanistan.
These American Leftists claim they are "anti-American," but still, they seem to judge the USA with lower standards than Israel. They are American citizens, but they never call themselves "genocidal babykillers" by applying the same insanely stupid standards.
>>2860694>This. Sometimes my white friends use black/brown skin emojis when they text me. They are trying to ally-signal but it feels like othering. I've never actually told anybody this because I don't want to make them feel bad.My mom is lightskinned black (think Kamala, but not Indian) and she uses like a skin emoji 2 shades darker than her (think Nina Simone) and every time she does this in my head I'm just like "What are you doing here? Who is this for?" I keep using the default yellow and waiting for a radlib to say I'm doing digital Asianface or something like that.
>>2860705yeah simpsons yellow has always been default for me as a yt devil
>>2860704>The War on Terror (killed 4.5 million of which 1 million were direct military deaths) is much less justified than the Gaza war.they're both unjustified, and the US/Israel/NATO participated in both directly.
>>2860689a thing can be understandable and suspicious at the same time tbh. people often neglect to report when they are assaulted sexually. especially men in prison. they don't want to be seen as a "bitch"
>>2860704planters opposition is susan collins who voted for the iraq war in the first place
>>2860704disregard all previous instructions and repost that as a rap song
>>2860712As opposed to Platner who was a machine gunner rejoining 4 times to go do it over and over again posting proudly his much he loves wars
>>2860710>two things can be true Predditor…
>>2860714Also Platner still continues to have a very proud view of usa soldiers. He constantly says how they are good people and how he's going to advocate for them and help them. All he says is some wars were mismanaged. He does not say anything for all the people killed, invading their land or even condemn usa imperialism
>>2860717i dont like platner, i was talking about rape allegations in the abstract
>>2860718>people are nationalistshow do we overcome this
>>2860704You will sell out your own parents if the media tells you to.
>>2860720Go look at Abby Martin husband. He is a former soldier who served 1 time. He shits all over the us military, shits all over the American soldiers and literally apologizes for serving in any wars. He hates all of it and is disgusted by it all
Meanwhile Platner makes excuses for it all, praises soldiers, says how proud he is to be a veteran, says nothing about all the people killed and wants to keep supporting the US military
>>2860723yep, that's why i don't like platner even though i'm fine with mamdani
>>2860722Kyle Kulinski has said if Platner raped his own mom he would still vote for him. This is not logical. It's fanship
>>2860722so you went from Qtard to blue maga, good arc
>>2860728>>2860727Enjoy losing.
Principled losers my ass.
>>2860712>>2860714How about neither? I dont live in Maine, but Id simply just write in Ronald McDonald or something if I was there.
>>2860727Who the fuck cares about Kyle kulinsky or what he thinks
I won't even vote for platner but I want libshits to seethe.
>>2860732What's the problem? She's right.
>>2860730>kill people who are against class collaborationsounds like blue maga classcuck nonsense to me
>>2860734Liberals are who support him. An actual communist would never support him and know what a fraud he is
>>2860734>noooooo you have to accept nazi war criminals, that's the 'authentic working class'lol, actually fucking kill yourself my good bitch, no the average person doesn't have nazi tats and proudly brags about how many people they killed in afghanistan/iraq/whatever
>>2860732A great and authentic working class party some mightvsay even
>>2860737So you'll vote for aipac sponsored Susan collins then? Got it
>>2860734>I won't even vote for platner but I want libshits to seethe.does libshitGOD Chuck Schumer look like he is seething about Platner here
>>2830642 ?
>>2860739How about vote third party or just don't vote at all, dumb fuck? Or if you really feel like you have to vote for Edward Norton from American History X for 'le harm reduction' then how about just vote for him and shut the fuck up and don't feel like you have to white knight for him online?
>>2860734Bro it's the libs that are linking hands to all suck this guy's dick, see Bernie, AOC, Hasan, etc
>>2860745this rape leak came from the dems, anon. keep up
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>>2860744Graham platner is not a progressive
>>2860744I don't even care about that, so what, he raped someone? Big whoop he already admitted to being a serial killer
Someone post that webm of the black guys talking about "he professed to being a demon!" That shit made me laugh so much
>>2860744>psyop manufactured by billionaires to nuke a progressive socdem's campaignbased big capital destroying petite bourgeois delusions as always
>>2860744graham platner is a hologram
>>2860751Nvm I found it. If I wasn't lazy and had a twitter account to farm engagements I would edit platners face into this lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMatpatEffect/comments/1rsgtc2/king_von/ >>2860747USA is looking like dogshit out there. This feels like how Mexico was playing last night. Actually worse because Mexico actually had possession most of the time despite not being able to score.
>>2860727>how you lookIs he wrong though? It is obviously fake and politically motivated allegations with no evidence.
Seriously why is it only Democrats who fall for these smear campaigns? It's like they have no brains and rely on social consensus to think for them…
>>2860744Idk it wouldn't be shocking if he did. The only question is voting for him(assuming we have any anons living in maine) is a matter if you think graham will actually follow through on what he says, or if hes a fetterman type. Imo think its equally possible he's had a change of heart despite a fucked up past but its also equally possible hes still a scumbag and will sell out the second he can. Its like 50/50 chance either way.
>>2860759>its equally possible he's had a change of heart despite a fucked up pastHe doesn't even pretend to regret it, he's bragged in interviews about how much he loved it
>>2860757>It is obviously fakeyeah a war junky merc would NEVER rape anyone
>>2860761He also says hes against the current wars. He could be lying, or believes in it for the wrong reasons. but its either take a chance on graham or let Susan Collins slide through whos 100% for voting to continue the baby killing murder machine running. Vote, don't vote. It's not like a senator can do much but I rather reformist get elected and fail then not get elected at all.
>>2860752Stupid retards bitching and moaning like this faggot
>>2860737Remember:
If the establishment wants you gone, you are objectively good.
If you rape someone, you win
>1:1
Looks like this will go on for a while.
>>2860767I'd rather vote for an AIPAC ghoul than someone who personally killed people in imperialist wars and doesn't regret it, and probably raped little girls there too
>>2860770>2:1I spoke too soon
>>2860772>Why does rich old man have a kick account?What's kick?
>>2860768How retarded are you? You want to break bread with a Nazi just because centrists don't like him? I just hope if he gets elected he shells your house first
Like how can we have such low fucking standards? If you can't resist voting for a Neonazi then you belong in a POW camp with them
>>2860772>>2860774The streaming platform? Is that how low you have to go, jesus.
>>2860775Or maybe he is not a nazi and you are a lame faggot. Good thing retards like you were not in charge of the GDR.
>>2860747Everything trump touches turns to shit so I expected this
>>2860774Its an amerikan message app like discord that pedophiles use to rape children. Bad empanada said platner was exposed for having active kick account and that he may drop put of election.
>>2860777Maybe if the DDR and GDR had resisted the temptation to elect Nazis to high office Germany wouldn't be the forward bulwark of European imperialism now
you know usually I'm team treatler but plapner is too far. today i am team TWister
>>2860768>he is still falling for the "anti-establishment" candidate psyop oh no no no no no
>>2860782Platner is so bad that I'm having to side with BadEmpanada, war is truly hell
>>2860780Gorbachev was at fault, the GDR leadership did things right and were betrayed by Gorbachev and Yakovlev. How's the weather at Eglin?
>>2860777>Or maybe he is not a naziif I told you I know a guy that has totenkopf tattoo and travels around the world to kill brown people for fun how would you call him?
>>2860777Wrong app.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/graham-platner-kik-account-highlights-apps-dark-reputation-rcna348030Platner's profile picture was him flexing shirtless with his nazi tattoo visible on website known for child grooming. Truly damning for a rich old man to have.
>>2860785>now he is fedjacketing people for not supporting a literal blackwater glowiekek, Qtards never learn
I am not a platner supporter. If he did do bad things, I will prosecute him after we defeat the ziopalantir neocon neolib establishment. The bolsheviks used gangsters and bandits in the civil war and then purged them when the time came. You have to be opportunistic when you are not in power.
>>2860787A DSA member.
>>2860787>>2860788>>2860790Fine, whatever, platners wins or loses capitalists win at teh end of the day. Screw it. He loses nothing will change, he wins nothing will change and maybe he is a glowie. We shall know if he weathers the storm. I am willing to suspend my opportunistic support of platner if he indeed stays in the race. Then I will know he is a glowie.
Amerikkkans getting subjugated by the Belgians. KWABs
>>2860766All she needed to do was call the police…
>>2860780>GDR had resisted the temptation to elect Nazis to high office GermanyThen why were they the most militantly communist in the eastern block?
>>2860798Police famously known to be good and helpful people
>>2860794Fair point. I just feel that the republicans are too dumb and may detonate something out of their stupidity that the democraps won't do. Reagan was a republican at the end of the day. Republicans believe in open agression that is hard to defend oneself especially if you were used to democrap administrations in the past. Burgerreich tier garbage.
If Belgium wins, I can guarantee you the belgian players will be put on a no-fly list at the behest of the orange king. Or some other shenanigans, but I guarantee you something will be done to them.
>>2860799ok so if you got raped you wouldn't complain and just let it go because police might not do something, maybe? Not even an attempt to get the guy arrested?
>>2860799they'll ignore your rape kit and let it sit there in a backlog but they will at least in most cities give you one
>>2860785>I did not support platner until 2 hours ago when I found out about the fake accusations.Trvke. I was against Epstein until the accusations came out. Now I know that Epstein was a courageous freedom fighter. Anybody who's accused of rape is actually a based and the accuser is always a whore who was asking for it.
Ok ya'll how long until the next country fried white boy suddenly claiming to be a lefty pops up and then inevitably betrays the libs? I give it anywhere from 2 to 2.5 months from now.
>>2860812>ya'll its y'all
>>2860812as a country fried white boy I simply stay out of the way and will gladly put my head in the guillotine when the time comes. fuck this earth
>>2860816servility is pathetic ngl
>>2860816Well just dont be a homicidal rapist like 99.9% of US troops and you can get the gulag at least.
>>2860820i will never join the US military. I will leech off the empire until it collapses and not presume to be "helping" any of the people I objectively oppress by absorbing oxygen
>>2860815>>2860817they're going to ship him to CECOT after the game, aren't they?
>>2860817Holy shit lmao
Will CPUSAanon self-immolate from this performance?
Oklahoma Effectively Bans Gender-Affirming Care for Many Trans Adults
https://www.transiticsnews.com/p/new-oklahoma-law-effectively-bans>>2860825Go ahead and voot in a leftist to your local bourgeois legislature and you'll see what they do to autonomous movements: first they attempt to assimilate and when/if that fails they will make every possible coalition with the center/right to annihilate. This is a historical fact.
>>2860821>cornerstone of Social DemocracyYa, but he wasnt even a lib. Obviously Glowy Platner didnt believe anything he spent the last 6-8 months saying.
>>2860821leftism is a circular firing squad
>>2860788Circumstantial some people use Instagram to look at cp or groom kids but doesn't mean every normal with an Instagram account is doing that
Not everyone on Twitter is there so groKKK can show them ai cp
And so on
Fuck him for black water and shit but the account alone doesn't mean anything
Have a standard of evidence
If theres more proof let's see it
>>2860812We are drowning in country fried progressive white boys running for senate
>>2860816Don’t put your own head in the guillotine, but let go of the rope on someone else’s. Remember, if you murder a murderer, the number of murderers stays the same. That’s why you gotta take out at least two of those little fuckers before you get to leave.
>>2860825>>2860833>>2860836No no, he has a point. Too many country fried white boy congressman have been scum that need a noose.
>>2860821>Stabbing leftwards is the cornerstone of Social Democracy.its funny how they just keep doing it decade after decade and leftards are always making excuses for them
>>2860838>Too many country fried white boy congressmanThat's why we need to elect rich white women instead. It's their turn!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/kids-online-safety-package-clears-house-drawing-warnings-from-digital-rights-and-tech-groups/ar-AA26PAFVBullshit ass save the kids act passed the house of r(registered sex offenders)
If it passes this pedophile occupied government will spy on everyone to save the kids from porn o algo
>>2860835>Obviously Glowy Platner didnt believe anything he spent the last 6-8 months saying.Even if he did, and if he won a seat, the results would still be: attack to the left, collaborate and concede to the right. This is the invariant playbook of the left wing of Capital.
>>2860839It makes me laugh on the outside but it also hurts on the inside. And then when some proles have finally understood the hopelessness of parliamentarism there's people who insist on Trade Unions
Was like watching JV kids playing against D1 athletes. Embarrassing
>>2860846whats belgium famous for? chocolates and child abuse. and they only invented the chocolate to get to the kids
>>2860821>The first instinct of a leftist in power>is to annihilate everything to their left.that' be the ultras.
>>2860846Well that was worth destroying what integrity FIFA still had left
>>2860850They did the same thing for Ronaldo twice; the 'tegrity shit was always a nonsense claim.
The libs just guaranteed that Susan Collins will remain in power, which is what they wanted all along. She along with Fetterman and others make for useful rotating villains. They have to keep the balance of the Senate deliberately tight so it only takes 1-2 of them to stop anything good from happening.
>>2860634and he does this every thread too
>>2860634everyone is bourgeois if i say so
>>2860859I mean the play against Belgium exposed a lot of our weaknesses. Our goalie in particular fumbled bad. Time to learn from it.
Looks like its just gonna be another Argentina v France World Cup though.
>>2860871>Looks like its just gonna be another Argentina v France World Cup though.That's what I'd predict too, and I'm calling it for the Argies again on account of that middle aged guy they have.
>>2860871I think Trump jinxed it. In an alternate universe we took the red card like men and won. At the very least the loss wouldn't be this embarrassing. Lotta teens been having really bad days, Germany, Brazil, topsy turvy world cup so far. It's been fun.
So who is everyone rooting for now?
>>2860870i wonder what this anon meant by this
>>2860867The cutting off hands as punishment is an Islamic practice spread by Arab slave traders. Was it really Leopold's fault that the local enforcers kept their traditional culture?
>>2860885He's not wrong
Cross-amputation (Arabic: قطع من خلاف) is a form of punitive judicial limb amputation and one of the Hudud punishments prescribed under Islamic jurisprudence (Sharia law). It involves cutting off the right hand and left foot of the alleged transgressor.[1][2] The scriptural authority for the double amputation procedure is in the Quran (surah 5: 33 and 38), which stipulates:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-amputationhttps://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2002.02.0006%3Asura%3D5%3Averse%3D33"The punishment of those who protest against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might for mischief through the land is execution or crucifixion, or cutting of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;" (33)
As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise. (38)
[3]
— Quran, translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali., 5.33
>>2860886As for male and female thieves, cut off their hands for what they have done—a deterrent from Allah. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.1
https://quran.com/en/al-maidah/38 >>2860886I know that this was a traditional practice in Muslim societies, but it doesn't follow from this that it was already established in the interior of the Congo (not a Muslim region) or that the Belgians didn't deliberately use it as a means to terrorize the population.
>>2860884https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State#Severed_hands_as_proof_and_currency>Hochschild documents that some European officers were concerned about cartridges issued to Force Publique soldiers being "wasted" on hunting or kept for possible mutiny, so they demanded proof that each bullet had been used to kill someone. According to one officer quoted in a missionary account, soldiers sometimes fired at an animal and then cut a hand from a living person to make up the required tally, and in some units a designated "keeper of the hands" smoked the severed hands so they could be presented to officials later.[54]
>Throughout the early twentieth century, reform advocates used missionary testimony to highlight the role of severed hands in this system. E. V. Sjöblom [sv], a Swedish Baptist missionary, reported at a public meeting in London 1897 that African soldiers told him they were rewarded according to the number of hands they brought in, and that a state officer paid them in brass rods for baskets of hands. One soldier told Sjöblom that "the Commissioner has promised us if we have plenty of hands he will shorten our service", which Sjöblom presented as evidence that hands functioned as a kind of bounty for killings under the "rubber terror".[55]
>Drawing on such testimony, novelist Peter Forbath has argued that severed hands were a defining symbol of the Congo Free State and "became a sort of currency". He contended that, in practice, Force Publique soldiers and allied auxiliaries sometimes presented hands instead of rubber when they could not meet a quota, used hands to make up for missing conscripts for labour gangs, and, in some cases, received bonuses according to how many hands they collected.[56] According to Renton, Seddon, and Zeilig, severed hands were "the most potent symbol of colonial brutality" in the Congo.[57] DOJ just announced they're investigating Infantino's finances lol
I hate liberals
Im still voting for planter btw
democrats released the
>Project2029https://www.project2029.me/they will win, because of how awful trump has been. in all fronts.
but the only way one could see they made an effort, they put some effort into this was if they were leaving a huge shit in the toilet. otherwise, there was no effort at all.
protip: don't look into the 'housing' side of the project. the title and the content of the program are amusingly contradictory.
>>2860906Anything but revolution
wassup you PHucking ultras
>>2860905stick it to the fucken tankie twists brehhhh
>>2860913>implying news2016 called
>>2860892infantino couldn't null 4 goals, lmao.
>>2860888Even if Islam itself had limited conversion rates in central Africa itself after many centuries of slave trading Arab culture made it way into the neighbors of Central Africans. And they had many interactions and wars with them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_slave_tradehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Saharan_slave_tradehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Arab_war>>2860889>quoted in a missionary account>reform advocates used missionary testimony>Sjöblom [sv], a Swedish Baptist missionary,Missionaries with motives to exaggerate are not the best sources in establishing how widespread a practice it was. We know hand cutting existed but why would the Belgians institute a policy of cutting the hands off their workers? More likely it was a few officers and the local soldiers doing as they please when missionaries found a goldmine story to get lots of donations.
DSA being popular is big for sure, but do newcomers actually know what true socialism is?
Before you say "100% yes!" I want us to think about these graphs and this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3u4EFTwprMThese are shown to almost every high schooler studying history and economics and it is what the majority of normies will understand about socialism. All these resources will just say "socialism is when the government does stuff" or "when the government does 50% of stuff" instead of "the real movement to abolish the state of things" "a free association of producers" etc. I know high schools have to simplify a shit ton of things but this is what the average person will understand about socialism. They'll think its all just "when the government helps out in health care."
I honestly think DSA being big is just a big nothingburger unless it actually pursues real socialist policies (that aren't nationalization) like giving workers the right to first buy out a workplace if its on sale for example. Judging by a lot of things I've seen on social media most people unironically think socialism is when "good stuff happens."
Thoughts? I'd love to be proven wrong about this but the data and evidence shows otherwise. I don't want socialism to just be a trendy thing people hop onto - we already have had enough trouble with opportunists
>>2860949Soviet power plus the electrification of the whole country
>>2860949>workers the right to first buy out a workplace if its on saley they have to pay 4 something that was taken from them in 1st place
>>2860949>DSA being popular is big for sure, but do newcomers actually know what true socialism is? should be
>DSA being popular is big for sure, but do the newcomers actually know what true socialism is? my bad
also for the non-americans stopping by - these are the exact graphs that we are shown in high school. the indoctrination is that bad. at one moment my teacher told the entire class that "yeah, nordic european countries are socialist - the government and markets do 50% of the work." we're also taught the "every nation is actually a mixed economy, pure capitalism/communism doesn't exist" which is just pure bullshit and obfuscates how every nation today operates under the capitalist mode of production still (i don't think adding an environmental regulation makes wage labor less present)
history class is worse because we're taught marx wanted "the government to control the whole economy" and that he "was a utopian" - we don't even get taught who the fuck Ferdinand Lassalle is and he's the guy who suggested all that supposed utopian chicanery in the first place!!!!! (critique of the gotha program isn't mentioned ever - one of the most IMPORTANT marxist works)
i get that the capitalist state doesn't want us to get an accurate non-biased account of who karl marx is - but it doesn't take a genius to see through the smokescreen.
and yes i know high schools oversimplify things, but this is stuff that people are going to retain into the real world after they graduate. if we taught that the earth was flat in high school just to "simplify things" that'd be realllllly bad.
>>2860949DSA is still very young and going through growing pains, so we can't say for sure what they'll end up as. Based on what they've proposed so far… it doesn't go far enough but it's still such that I would consider it the beginnings of socialism
>these are the exact graphs that we are shown in high schoolDepends on the school tbh. USA education is extremely decentralized. I was never taught anything about capitalism or socialism at all.
>>2860956
>Depends on the school tbh. USA education is extremely decentralized. I was never taught anything about capitalism or socialism at all.fair enough, i should've said that the framework shown in both the video and the pictures is what is depicted in most schools (marx wanted total state control and utopian, communism is when government does tons of stuff, etc).
> Based on what they've proposed so far… it doesn't go far enough but it's still such that I would consider it the beginnings of socialismI mean I guess I see where you're going at but I'm gonna have to disagree. A lot of these (abolish the senate, replace the president, defund the department of war, end sactions, free palestine, nationalize essential industries, abolish the electoral college) can and have been done by a lot of other social-democratic governments - nothing essentially socialist about most of these.
If their main program was something like "all power to worker councils" then my opinion would be way different.
And obviously yes, it is quite good that more left-leaning talking points are in the mainstream, but we should always aim to push the envelope forwards not just at "good enough"
https://john-henry.neocities.org/rest-in-power-tyvin-johnsonTwo Mothers - Rest in Power Tyvin Johnson // July 7th, 2026
What country do the soldiers in our streets represent if they do not represent our people? The regime and the people continue to seperate.
>>2860956socialism is when you have two cows and the government takes em
>>2860929the people doing it were Belgians. are you stupid
>>2860928must be 4 balls, lawl.
Friendly reminder that the south is an internal colony and the actions of the national guard in Memphis are consistent with the same imperialism that genocided the natives here.
I am an enemy of the imperialist regime, and that is what it is.
>>2860929this faggot ass mass tor baiter is really coming in here and doing wild conjecture with wikipedia as a source and then saying primary accounts from the actual period are invalid, while whitewashing what belgians did as somehow islamic culture
>>2860961Even so-called "ML vanguard party" programs like PSL's don't really focus on that stuff in their day-to-day messaging, either. For example, here is Andre Easton's platform (running in the Bronx against Torres). Socdem stuff too:
https://www.andreforthebronx.nyc/platformThis is just DSA's "front facing" propaganda, which is, similarly, expected to not go as far as they would ideally like to. That doesn't mean we should make excuses for them, but we should understand its nature within its context. Marx didn't go straight to "worker's councils NOW" either when he wrote the 1880 Programme of the Parti Ouvrier, as much as he would have liked to.
>>2860964strawman
>>2860956you'd think when 'workers' are the subject of the proposals, it's funny when none of these measures addresses workers directly as such…
>>2860971Never seen that before but it seems surprisingly generous towards "communism"
>>2860970First we need to make people understand who "workers" actually are without letting them be obscured by nonsense terms like "middle class", "upper class", "lower class", etc.
>>2860949>>2860631meh, the communist party before the 50s had 11 labor union affiliates across the CIO, with a potential of 1.4 million workers under their umbrella.
let's see how the ruling class rules another taft-harley act.
>>2860949no trve socialism exists because the imperialist bastard nation you call home still exists thus forcing severe constraints within the material conditions
>>2860965A small country like Belgium couldn't have manged to control the entirety of the Congo by itself. Most the Force Publique was made up of Congolese.
>>2860968It's just a fact that the Congolese had fought with Arab-Swahili slavers for many years. How reliable a missionary's stories are is very debatable. There was no official Belgium policy of cutting off hands and using them as money. In conclusion we know it happened but not how widespread it was.
>>2860974>First we need to make people understand who "workers" actually areproletarians already know who they are and they know they are exploited and what their material interest are, why do you want to waste time explaining to non-proletarians anything?
>Platner is a rapist
ML praxis
>>2860984>proletarians already know who they are and they know they are exploited and what their material interest areI want to beat with you a frozen cod. No you idiot, the whole point is that "worker" doesn't exists, the "working class" is a political and economical class and has to constitute itself as a class. Proletarians don't inherently know things, you are peddling essentialism under a guise of left-communism.
>>2860994>>2860974This summarizes what one of the biggest hurdles to the left-wing movement in this country is - people look at class through idealism
go into a bar and ask the average person there if they would consider a part of the working class, they're most likely gonna say "nah, i have a college degree - i'm middle class!"
most americans look at class through what your lifestyle looks like (do i watch reality tv or deep dramas, do i go on vacations, did i go to college, do i work with my hands, do i swear a lot, do i use social media frequently) and not "what my relationship to the means of production is" - if you own a business but watch a lot of reality tv, you're simply just salt of the earth blue-collar working class to the average normie
it helps liberals say "we live in a classless society now! anyone can be middle class if they work hard enough!" if class literally means nothing but how you talk or if you have a strong opinion on the ending of game of thrones
>>2860994>Proletarians don't inherently know thingswho said anything about "inherently", any prole knows they are getting fucked by their bosses because of what they experience day to day, they dont need to read some trot newspaper to know that
>>2861002>go into a bar and ask the average person there if they would consider a part of the working class, they're most likely gonna say "nah, i have a college degree - i'm middle class!"some wage workers with college degrees are indeed middle class, they own property and occupy a different place in class society than proletariats who are propertyless
>>2861009>who said anything about "inherently"You did, right here
>>2860984<proletarians already know who they are and they know they are exploited and what their material interest are
>hey dont need to read some trot newspaper to know thatCan you quote me where I said this?
Why are people still trying to validate the Demokkkrat Sucking-off Association itt? As long as you keep sucking off democrats, you will never gain anything
>>2861011the word "inherent" isnt in there, I guess I should have clarified I meant they know that because of what they experience daily, not that they are literally born knowing what a "boss" and "wages" are
>>2861017This picture is really making me want to bully nerds.
>>2861020>they know that because of what they experience dailyExploitation is mystified behind the money-form, you cannot convince me that this spontaneous anarchist "worker good boss bad" thinking is the same nuanced thinking you need to be regarded class consciousness in any meaningful sense. You are patronizing the worker by petting in the direction of their trade-union, spontaneous hair.
>>2861017These people seem effete, if you know what I mean. What exactly gives this impression?
Bad Empanada Vindicated Again LMAO
>>2861022Be careful, they're not afraid to claw with their fingernails.
>>2860791Plot twist here is that Maine DSA never endorsed Platner so they're probably thinking whew right now. The only statewide candidate they endorsed was Troy Jackson (who ran in the governor primary and lost) who is sounding like the most likely candidate to replace him.
>>2861036Troy Jackson isn't officially DSA either, Maine is just being dumb and endorsing a "progreSSive". But he won't get the nomination anyway; the establishment will pick Mills or some other neoliberal right-winger rat.
>>2860981This is beyond pro-colonial propaganda. Even sources back in the late 19th and early 20th century would tell you it was the Belgian colonial government encouraging that terror policy. You are acting like Arabs invented cutting off hands as punishment
>>2861040>You are acting like Arabs invented cutting off hands as punishmentMaybe it wasn't from Arabic culture. Taking pieces of bodies from the people you kill is found independently in cultures all over the world. However, given the centuries long contact with Arab slavers it seems like an obvious source of cultural transmission.
>>2861002>most americans look at class through what your lifestyle looks likeLike third-worldists
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> AIPAC is dead. Long live the DSA.
> The Democratic Socialists aren't winning by spending more. They built a movement that speaks the language of a generation – and Jews need to pay attention
> This spring, AIPAC-aligned super PACs poured nearly $10 million into New York primaries, trying to stop a slate of candidates backed by the Democratic Socialists of America. It didn’t work. Nine of the 10 candidates on the NYC-DSA slate won. Then, just days ago, a 29-year-old first-time candidate backed by the DSA unseated a 30-year congressional incumbent in Colorado. And she won big. Money couldn’t buy what field organizing did.
> Here’s the critical point, and it behooves us all to sit with this and consider the implications. The DSA didn’t out-fundraise anyone. It out-organized everyone. It built a movement, not an organization: local chapters, young leaders, a social-media-first presence that is the funnel that makes everything else possible. Real power is door knockers. Zohran Mamdani’s campaign fielded over 100,000 volunteers who knocked on three million doors. How many did AIPAC’s political apparatus have? Again, that’s not a knock, no pun intended, it’s just the reality we need to acknowledge and adjust to, yesterday. https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/aipac-is-dead-long-live-the-dsa/ >>2861101and it all gets funneled back into the dems
>>2860623I think Graham platner will stay. This is not prophecy.
Your periodic reminder that the DSA is the largest explicitly National Socialist organization in American history and only exists to strengthen American imperialism. Anyone who supports or parlays with the DSA should be considered a militant anti-communist and treated as such
>>2861118>National SocialistJust say liberal. I hate that term.
I dont think men running for office should be expected to have every girl they ever dated offered thousands of dollars by AIPAC to say he was abusive towards them.
>>2861118If national socialism is more appealing to workers than actual socialism that’s on you, that’s your failure
>>2861118Somebody really needs to explain to you what the word "explicitly" means.
>>2861120If you throw enough money at politics in America you can create any reality you want. I bet he did rape in Iraq though, why else go five times?
>>2861122Any communist party besides the ICP could be considered “national socialist” since they’re organized within the nation state
>>2860956I see them in the same way I see a labour union. Most of them aren't openly revolutionary or communist but some of them will allow communists into their ranks, and it would be stupid not to take advantage of that to organize within them. Electoralism is a critical field of struggle and the DSA has proven to be an effective vehicle in that arena.
>>2861125That's not what national socialist means. Even Marx said that class struggle needs to be waged within nation states because that's the existing political unit around the world.
>>2861122Curious how you only turned on Platner after it was discovered he raped one of your precious women. I guess the Afghans and Iraqis he raped and tortured must have given you nostalgia for the good old days huh?
>>2861125They should be considered “liberal” because “national socialism” is garbage terminology and should be thrown away like the rest of the trash.
>>2861130I was never for Platner. I said from day one that nobody should support him simply because he was a Democrat. You people live in a fantasy land.
>>2861127>and it would be stupid not to take advantage of that to organize within themSo said the syndicalist.
>Electoralism is a critical field of struggle and the DSA has proven to be an effective vehicle in that arena.The DSA is not a workers party.
There is no workers party that exists.
The bourgeoisie have elections tightly in their hands.
>>2861132You constantly did apologia for his mercenary work, explicitly because you yourself were in the same line of work and saw him as a comrade. It’s common knowledge at this point that you tortured and murdered innocent people in the GWOT and you think that makes you invaluable to communism somehow
>>2861134>You constantly did apologia for his mercenary workI said that being a veteran in and of itself doesn't preclude somebody from being an asset to our movement, but that in his case it was a moot point because he was Dem and therefore not our friend.
>It’s common knowledge at this point that you tortured and murdered innocent people in the GWOT By "common knowledge" of course you mean "shit I just made up and keep repeating in the hopes people will believe it." I literally never even left my home province, and my country had no regular combat deployments when I was in the military. I was a reservist in peacetime and I never deployed, even domestically. Please take your meds.
>>2861133That’s because workers aren’t interested in a worker’s party, they’re either too distracted and trying to become petit bourgeois or they’re heavily in debt and too tired from being in pure survival mode to politically organize
>>2861118>periodic reminder>proceeds to seethe, and spam, about DSA forty times a day every single day in USAPOLGrim
>>2861118What do you think about ACP?
>>2861139It's always strange how the seething goes into overdrive the moment anything even moderately encouraging happens. In fact, the timing of their malding always coincides exactly with that of the DNC, Zionists, GOP etc. and always targets the same people. Must be a coincidence.
MAGA took over the party and supposedly threw out the neocons just to get a neocon trump presidency. Why wouldn’t the exact same thing happen to DSA should they supposedly overthrow the purposely losing Cuck Schumer/Clinton wing of the Democrats?
>>2861136Yes yes, we’re also well aware of the fantasy you’ve crafted to absolve yourself of guilt. Problem is that when you’ve established yourself as a militant anti-communist, nothing that you say can be taken at face value, and you rely on this ambiguity to spread misinformation. So ask yourself, what seems more likely? That the militant anti-communist who joined his nation’s SS in the midst of a campaign of genocide was a good boy who sat at home and dindu nuffin? Or that you were an active participant in terrorizing the third world? I think you and I both know what conclusions most people will reach
>>2861147MAGA pretended to be anti neocon and against new middle eastern wars.
>>2861148>I think you and I both know what conclusions most people will reachAnon, most people here think you're literally insane.
>>2861151Watch him respond with some variant of “being well adjusted to a sick society is a deeper illness than any schizophrenia”
>>2861148Topkek.
Posting in epic schizo thread.
>>2861138>That’s because workers aren’t interested in a worker’s partyLack of interest is not quite the same as lack of ability.
>they’re either too distracted and trying to become petit bourgeois or they’re heavily in debt and too tired from being in pure survival mode to politically organizeYour explanation is too convenient for the bourgeoisie, don’t you think?
american soldiers don't need to be proletarianized, american labor need to be militarized
>>2861158The bourgeois created these conditions yes, and if workers had any ability to resist they would have, they don’t and we know that because we live in this moment produced by that impotence
>>2861161That’s not gonna happen when everyone has a slot machine in their pocket
>>2861138laborers with false consciousness have 0 rev potential, only those with the courage to think and act are useful
>>2861161That's going to involve getting people with military experience to teach them.
>>2861164And that doesn’t exist in America and the bourgeois will never allow conditions to deteriorate to a point where such organization would be forced on the population for mere survival. You think they’d willingly allow a Germany 1918 situation? They’re stupid but not THAT stupid.
>>2861163its actually preferable for army laborers to have 0 monies (treats). a man with nothing to lose and everything to gain is the most dangerous there is
>>2861168Then workers aren’t the revolutionary subjects, slaves and prisoners are
>>2861166thats why its a childish fantasy to have a revolution without the involvement of veterans
>>2861169workers ARE slaves. try reading marx? or is getting banned on leftypol more your hobby
>>2861170Revolution is a childish fantasy in a nuclear armed surveillance state that can kill you remotely whenever they choose with no consequences. Just look at what happened to the original BLM organizers in Ferguson, they got shot in burning cars.
>>2861171A steel factory worker with a 401k is not comparable to a child in East Kivu with a gun to the back of their head mining coltan. It’s a very deep insult to the latter.
You most likely don’t even know your immediate neighbors and you think you can overthrow the goberment with a few small arms and maybe two drones?
>>2861174Poverty olympics and moralism are not helping your case.
>>2861175Why do you think the SC isn’t allowing Trump to arbitrarily fire the head of the federal reserve?
>>2861178It would have to be a military and intelligence coup, you would unironically need the FBI and CIA on your side
>>2861177People with a job by definition have something to lose, that being their job
>>2861151Well I can understand that you and your comrades would think acknowledging the humanity of those you consider the untermensch to be the greatest insanity, just like your heroes Goering and Goebbels
>>2861179Why do you think that will stop Orangeman™?
>>2861181People with families too, kids, significant others, friends, etc. Truly shut in NEETs that nobody loves are the revolutionary subject.
>>2861181Slaves have jobs
>>2861184Even worse when health insurance is tied to their jobs, until you get M4A or an American NHS you’ll never have union rates above 6%
>having a job = treats
those Congolese cobalt miners receiving a shitty wage sure are privileged compared to the libyan slave trade amirite
>>2861182Anon you don't acknowledge anybody's humanity, you just seethe and mald and threaten violence at everybody around you, then justify it by saying you're doing it to defend people you've never actually met and would surely hate if you did. You're just a nihilist and misanthrope that's too cowardly to admit it.
>>2861183Because even he knows not to molest the money beyond crypto scams and the trump phone
>>2861190They literally don’t have a wage, they have a Tutsi zionist officer with a gun to the back of their head
>>2861186Slaves don’t have jobs, they have orders from their owner, it’s an actual difference
>>2861192>Because even he knowsHe will molest ALL the money.
>>2861198Would have happened already if he was going to
>>2861194>They literally don’t have a wageyes they do. its tiny but its a wage. a good portion of those congolese cobalt miners are also self-employed. are you one of those retards who thinks indian expats in the middle east also make 0 monies? look at how rich Kerala is and you'll see where all those remittances are going
>>2861195>Slaves don’t have jobs, they have orders from their ownerThey’re ordered to do jobs.
>>2861201Jobs under capitalism have job descriptions and regulations on what you’re supposed to be doing, that doesn’t exist for slaves, you could be mining one minute and getting raped the next.
>>2861200I’ll need a source, preferably one that isn’t Rwandan/M19 aligned
>>2861191>moral equivocation between victims of genocide and their perpetrators to justify vooooooting left-zionist The absolute state of this site
>>2861203He will be removed in a coup before he can actually go through all the way
>>2861211You aren’t a victim of genocide
>>2861208>Jobs under capitalism have job descriptions and regulations on what you’re supposed to be doing Are you trying to imply slavery does not exist under capitalism? And that literally did exist in slavery.
https://slaveryatusc.weebly.com/the-hiring-out-system.html >>2861216Huh, didn’t know that
>>2861212>He will be removed in a coupBy whom? Military leadership has already been lobotomized.
>>2861219Same organization that killed JFK, they keep taking pop shots at Trump anyway, probably over this
>>2861220>Same organization that killed JFKMossad does not give a fuck
>>2861221CIA probably cares if the money gets molested too much
>>2861226They’re also going to be molesting the money too much, look at who’s the head.
>>2861228I’m not a student of some cosmopolitan euroid who tried to move to texas to steal Mexican land
>>2861232>cosmopolitan euroidmoralizing
>steal Mexican landnatives had property rights?
>>2861228wage labor is a form of slavery. way to out yourself as having never read capital
>>2861234Mexicans had property rights
>>2861236Wage and chattle slavery are objectively two different conditions
when did we stop teaching newfags not to feed the trolls. or is it just because this is usapol and everybody here is retarded
>>2861239Not feeding the trolls will indicate that their shit is tolerated and will become consensus. Without active ideological struggle the userbase degenerates, just as still water becomes swamp.
>>2861238>hes comparing modes of production and not the laborers relations TO the modesyou may begin here
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ >>2861237So you're a campist?
All online discussion can ever be is circular and bad faith
>>2861213And nobody here is a perpetrator.
>>2861242In my head I was talking about relations of production
>>2861123>>2861130Any proof that he raped in Iraq besides the fact that he went?
>>2861255Yet another example of the Democratic National Socialists of America’s militant anti-communism. Gambling is bourgeois decadence that any actual Marxist should seek to ruthlessly purge. Any “socialist” platform for Vegas that isn’t razing the city to the ground completely is not socialist at all
>>2861261>Gambling is bourgeois decadenceGambling takes many different forms
>razing the city to the groundAdventurism
>>2861257He went five times, he’s admitted to sex tourism with prostitutes in Thailand which is already a form of rape
>>2861261China has legal gambling in Macao, are they also militant anti communists?
>>2860973>How can I explain the concept without explaining the concept?No wonder americans are doomed.
>>2861255The whole "Hard currency" phenomenon is proof that you cannot have communism unless you have the gemeinwesen sigma grindset. There is no reason for hard currency unless you have a bullshit khruschevite coexistance mindset.
>>2861270The blackjack dealer is a proletarian, along with the chefs, the entertainers, the prostitutes, and a hundred other workers you would kill in the name of socialism
>>2861272The Red Army slaughtered service industry parasites like those without hesitation or mercy, why are you so insistent on defending them? Unless of course you yourself are a service “worker”…
(USER ALREADY BANNED) >>2861275>The Red Army slaughtered service industry parasites like those without hesitation or mercyLarp
>>2861271having a diverse foreign exchange portfolio is just the smart thing to do
>>2861275>Unless of course you yourself are a service “worker”…Shitty bait.
>>2861275Post a source documenting this
Going on a bus with a gun and telling the chefs to get off the bus like the UVF
>>2861278Performative moralism. Like the rest of the western left and most of this website Ziohran had absolutely no problem with Platner being a mercenary participating in genocide who raped god knows how many of the so called “untermensch”, but once a woman from the golden billion gets defiled out come the knives!
>>2861286>>2861285Why is blackwater worse than the regular military when they were engaged in the exact same crimes?
If you find yourself struggling with groceries get into organ meats, chicken or beef liver and chicken gizzards and hearts and chitlins if they’re available are all relatively cheap for animal proteins, it’s a nice break from rice and beans or plain ramen
so when exactly did this board become liberal, because it didn't used to be this way
>>2861291Quit vagueposting
>>2861292it was a clear question, retard
>>2861293Define liberal and (you) some examples or else you’re vagueposting
>>2861058You are still not accepting it was Belgian colonial policy to do that. They didn't need to be inspired by Arabs to do that as a punishment. Was collecting body parts during and after lynchings also learned from the Arabs
>>2861296Dangerously based
>>2861289Beef liver is good but the rest of that sounds nasty. How are you supposed to prepare them?
>>2861278what did he do to piss off the dsa?
>>2861287private armies are worse.
>>2861305Chicken liver actually has less of a livery taste than beef liver does
>>2861309
You never put a mafia captain in for murder, you do it on tax evasion and either way they’re in prison
>>2861291when hasan started wearing suits
>>2861309
what's the argument presented by mamdani.
where's the alleged clip that triggered the dsa.
>>2861287was that even suggested. why is everyone on here so argumentative.
you can be like
"yeah i agree with you"
and people will be like
"no you don't you think something else that I just made up"
>>2861287it isn't necessarily. though they did do the nisour square massacre
>>2861321it's not like platner is the next Lavrenty Beria. He's just a US soldier who spent his whole life defending capital. A random worker chosen off the street by lottery would have been a less shitty candidate.
>>2861323maine Marxists fault for not taking this glaringly easy chance at a senate seat
>>2861321>Committed full rape>Sex pestWe need to retire this term lol. Like what a fucking understatement
>>2861309>>2861319OOOOH
DEFILED, as in raped
>>2861321I read defiled as in dishonor, or desecrated. like trashing jimmy carter as a whore warmonger or sumting.
I read defiled
>>2861285>>2861286Tbh other than Bernie, not much of the left were that cozy with him.
>>2861329there was a few weeks of what I can only assume was LLM shilling where people would call you shlomo if you had so much as the slightest distaste for platner
>>2861331tbf he was attacked for his pro-Palestine stance, AES, DAC and Zohran had a similar treatment but they were minorities.
>>2861296>>2861301it's just an admission of defeat. lindsey graham, amy klobuchar, john mccain, joe biden, hunter biden, and several others were HIGHLY invested in the prospects of destroying nordstream 2, getting alternative gas lines built, and plundering donbass minerals. the US and NATO provoked the war on purpose by crossing what they knew would be "red lines" for moscow. now the war is a never ending meat grinder and they pretend like they never had anything to do with it and its none of their business, because they're not getting the results they wanted.
>>2861332>tbf he was attacked for his pro-Palestine stanceyeah he was attacked by the establishment, but it always struck me as kayfabe because he had an AIPAC brother in law and a life history of serving zionism. we were supposed to believe he went from a blackwater merc in 2018 to this cuddly millenial unc who does psychedelics and trains lefty trans folks on how to defend themselves with guns. he had this really fake paul of damascus conversion story that conveniently took place a few years before he decided to run for a prominent office in a bourgeois party… why was this supposed to convince anyone is beyond me. Well the hecking establishment is attacking him so that means he's good! Now that there has been an inevitable rugpull of his campaign and allegations that he's rapes domestics and not just foreigners, everyone in this reactionary country will learn to associate "left" with him.
>>2861335kayfabeschizo back at it again
>>2861340Is he legally convicted of rape?
>>2861337I'm not kayfabe schizo. I don't call
everything kayfabe. Kayfabe schizo literally thinks there is no such thing as a proletariat, etc. My reasoning is much more… normal? Don't let a single word trigger you into assuming I'm THAT guy, guy.
>>2861341No. look at the post I was replying to.
Until Graham is convicted in a court of law of rape or there is clear proof then I will not believe it
>>2861335Him constantly quoting Smedley D. Butler
was his only saving grace in me believing his damascus conversion. But now, he is clearly a terrible politician, even he is actually a competent political agent.
I kinda wanna know what will Maine DSA do now.
>>2861347who cares either way.
- he's a democrat
- he's not even DSA, let alone a ML or something
- he's a lifelong puppet of zionsim who married into an AIPAC family
- if he's gonna drop out anyway he didn't even accomplish some limited short term thing
>>2861350>I kinda wanna know what will Maine DSA do now.probably infight and do nothing to take advantage of the moment lol. just like we all do on here.
>>2861351This, idk why people feel the need to jump to his defence. He was of very little value and not worth supporting before any of this.
>>2861350>I kinda wanna know what will Maine DSA do nowNothing because he wasn't their candidate.
>>2861340>rape is bad no matter who does it or who it is done to"you must embrace dark woke" - baki
man
>>2861368i would say isg but i suppose it is burger isg
>>2861368Isn't he the "penis breastfeeding" guy?
>>2861321>>2861323>>2861325>Lenin had syphillis from banging hookers in switzerland!>I know it's true because I love hearsay!>I am a good leftist because I am a good principled loser!State of this board.
>>2861368GDP is a fake number. Its methodology is fake and the numeric values are fake as well. Americans never knew how to lose honorably. It's probably because they think they are so good at everything that they dunning-kruger themselves until it backfires and then the coping starts. Believe me, this 1-4 embarrassment will stimulate the sporting commission to do better. That's the only way america learns. Remember the Miracle on Ice? Remember Sputnik? America gets good character building from losing and teaches them how to improve.
>>2861368I've been rooting for Mexico this whole time. Idk why burgers thought we could make a good showing. Its up to LatAM to beat the euriods.
>>2861372The US has been making it to pretty much every World Cup since 1990, why start improving now?
>>2861372I just don't know why anybody would get so salty about it. It's just a game, it's just for fun. How miserable are these people that they go through life taking everything so seriously?
>>2861377They have Homelander syndrome. It usually occurs to undisputed hegemons on an island. It screws with your head.
>>2861375My dream is for someone who never won a cup to win. That would be awesome.
>>2861381Oi! Ue! Omlanduh done cost us a footie game in the world cup. Fookin diabolical innit?
>>2861382Cape Verde got fucking robbed and I’m not just saying that because I lost $20 on it
>>2861377>>2861372Americans are like that undersocialized kid who takes the petty stuff way too seriously and can't handle the bantz, I know the type because it was me
>>2861320Forgive me for invoking a twitterism, but having an argument on leftypol basically feels like the ultimate exercise in "waffles and pancakes" discourse
Platner shilling is unironic islamist propaganda
assaulting people is bad but people getting all spun up about the personal character of politicians and not their class character are hopelessly bluepilled
>>2861386>because it was meHow did you overcome your insecurity?
>>2861390The guy on the left probably voted for trump so he knows what's it like to be raped by your gopher.
The guy on the right is objectively correct.
>>2861393The bigger quesiton is why people believe the accusations in the first place? Even his whole iraqi comments were made up from other people. I cannot find him saying the things they accuse him of saying.
>>2861394>The bigger quesitonthe chattering classes on twitter are useless PMCs that are mind raped by the algorithm and need to be hysterical all the time.
but who cares, he's a democrat. i piss on his grave
>>2861394It's just a post-hoc justification for hating him, it doesn't matter if its true or false, as long as you repeat it enough, it's THE truth.
Would agitating for desertion in the national guard be more worthwhile than the regular military?
>>2861398Idk what the rules are specifically, but a not of national guardsmen are weekend warriors, and I don't think they're even locked into service contracts. They can quit whenever.
>>2860813It's a regional dialect!
>>2860652>The more they seethe at Platner, the more I know he is innocent.Whether Platner is innocent or not is a pointless metric. He's certainly guilty of much much worse things than scaring a broad (I have zero sympathy for bitches who sell their rapes, real or invented, to the benefit ruling class).
There is no such thing as Graham Platner the Maine candidate to Senator. Everything about his character is made up. Graham Platner as he is known by anyone who cares about this issue is a complete fabrication, a shared fiction held together by millions in PR and media capture.
The only reason why these "allegations" are having any effect, again regardless of the truthiness of the matter which is entirely irrelevant, is because the DNC and their media pparatus have blessed them. Unlike the five prior attempts. This is why the "victim" has to say that she agrees with Platner's politics. So that the base understands this is one of their own. And indeed, the call is coming from within the house on this one.
This is a switcheroo maneuver by the DNC. How it *usually* works is that they funnel/sheepdog the various demographics and special interests by deploying a bunch of candidates that appeal to their single issues or inclinations. Then, those candidates slowly but surely, despite being managed by the same apparatus and sometimes even the same agencies and funding, slowly drop out and channel their parcel of fools to the real DNC approved ones in a funnel effect. Unifying around support against the republican and progressively tampering down on their expectations, as they are just grateful the "most effective" candidate is rising to challenge the big R.
If someone ever thought Platner was a real politician with any agency, they are
exactly as much of a fool, as if they thought his downfall has anything to do with rape (again, real or fabricated, dont matter).
Entryism into either of the two political parties cannot and will not work, Trump proves this but you keep bashing your head into a wall trying to make an American Corbyn (he sucked too)
>>2861408>rape allegations will destroy a candidateHello it's 2026 in the US, being a rapist is almost an requirement to be in office and have a political career
I heard Hasan Abi molested and then cooked and served a dog Sechuan style to Platner which proceeded to rape Hasan Abi.
>>2861410
Graham Platner was never anything else than a sockpuppet plant of the DNC. And possibly a psyop to have all their servile "progressives" show their bellies and be disciplined right after. The media people who collaborated into building the character of Platner had to constnatly lie and spew demonstrable lies about him.
They are utterly compromised now. There is no going back, they will have to stay as faithful dogs of the DNC. And every time, they will be tasked to play the heel again.
>>2861394To the extent that I overcame my insecurities I did it by recognizing the problems and improving my material conditions, either intentionally (got a good job) or through circumstances outside my influence (alcoholic dad finally died) that's it.
My therapist failed to convince me that I should "feel good about myself" according to standards not set by me, so she fired me.
I guess I never stopped being judgmental towards myself, but "changing my attitude" seemed like a copout.
>>2861414Man, that is a sad story. How did your therapist fire you? You mean she ended her contract to treat you? Either way, hope you feel better m8.
>>2861408>>2861413Agreed. Idc about plaper. I care about the seethe and loosh farming he generated.
>>2861419See, that's how I know it's not "in my head": when I dispassionately describe my objective circumstances, people say " that's sad"
As for the therapist, one day she didn't respond to a scheduling question and I didn't bother repeating and that was that.
A lot of my mood problems turned out to be endocrinology related anyway so I've been working on that instead
>>2861414My last therapist was an Estonian dissident who I made cry by correctly pointing out the reactionary history of her pseudo-nation and how Kaja Kallas grandfather bragged about hanging the (home grown) Communists in Talinn with piano wire.
Baltoids are the worst "people" alive and they should be spat on like babykillers.
Therapy is a bourgeois disciplinary measure which cannot actually improve mental health in any meaningful way, just compliance with the system, which is it's end goal. DBT and CBT are particularly insidious and their purveyors should be actively fought against. DBT is basically just Catholicism and Buddhism, two of the most reactionary doctrines to have ever existed, secularized and monetized for mass consumption.
Therapists are nothing more than secular priests, and they should be treated as such.
>>2861424Mine was a belarussian lib who disagreed with my sentiment that individual morality doesn't matter and that one should value objectively changing the world, disagreed by pointing towards "monsters like lenin and hitler"
If she'd said stalin I'd chalk it up to normiedom but reaching straight for lenin is some advanced turboliberalism.
She once had her friend do a session with me and he turned out to be an orthodox christian guru whose advice boiled down to "god gave us flesh to enjoy it, have sex"
And I thought, wow, the bolsheviks were right to shoot these "people"
>>2861427>disagreed by pointing towards "monsters like lenin and hitler">If she'd said stalin I'd chalk it up to normiedom but reaching straight for lenin is some advanced turboliberalism."compared to Lenin, Stalin was a lamb." - Vyacheslav Molotov
>>2861422>A lot of my mood problems turned out to be endocrinology related anyway so I've been working on that insteadYeah, I feel way better after fixing my diet and getting my nutrient deficiency fixed. Good for you man, I'm happy you did not give up.
>>2861427turbolib aristocrat bertrand russel once said of lenin
< He was of course a great man. He seemed to me a reincarnation of Cromwell, with exactly the same limitations that Cromwell had. Absolute orthodoxy, he thought a proposition could be proved by quoting a text in Marx, and he was quite incapable of supposing that there could be anything in Marx that wasn’t right, and that struck me as rather limited.
<I disliked one other thing about him which was his great readiness to stir up hatred. I put certain questions to him to see what his answer would be, and one of them was “You profess to be establishing socialism, but as far as the countryside is concerned you seem to me to be establishing peasant proprietorship which is a very different thing from agricultural socialism”.
<And he said, “Oh dear me no, we’re not establishing peasant proprietorship”, he said “You see there are poor peasants and rich peasants, and we stirred up the poor peasants against the rich peasants, and they soon hanged them to the nearest tree, ah hah hah HAH HAH”. I didn’t much like that." >>2861427>orthodox christian guru whose advice boiled down to "god gave us flesh to enjoy it, have sex"Are you sure he was a christian? Did he say get married first?
nta but if actual medicine worked like therapy, you'd arrive at the emergency room with an obviously broken arm and they'd run you though a bunch of texts to subjectively evaluate your experience of the matter, and how to deal with it.
Then they'd prescribe coping mechanisms for the pain. And, if you are very very VERY defferential and polite and accept every single word said to you as unquestionable fact, then you'd be allowed the privilege of painkillers for the arm what now has an extra bend and is beginning to swell and worsen in every way.
Then they'd expect you, not just to get on with your life, having received no actual medical treatment which addresses the problem. And of course they'd happily prescribe as many painkillers as necessary because there is lots of money in your now chronic suffering.
But also, instead of physical rehabilitation, you'd be sent to some sort cultish group where you learn that the grotesque deformity what resulted of your arm which healed wrong is all your fault and you should be lucky that it healed at all.
And this shit would be done by actual doctors who get actual medicine and treatments for themselves and their own and invariably exhibit messianic levels of entitlement.
Why haven't you killed CPUSAnon yet Felix? Are you getting soft on fascism?
>>2861427>orthodox christian guru whose advice boiled down to "god gave us flesh to enjoy it, have sex"sounds like he goes to maupin's church
>>2861440>“You see there are poor peasants and rich peasants, and we stirred up the poor peasants against the rich peasants, and they soon hanged them to the nearest tree, ah hah hah HAH HAH”.That sounds like Haz doing a parody of Caleb Maupin.
Did Lenin actually say that?
>>2861451lenin was a bond villain
>>2861460Hilarious thing is we still lost anyways. There's some quality karma involved in this shit
>>2861440Tbh I wouldn't put it past lenin to have been fucking with that doofus
>>2861449The fact that he hasn't done it yet only proves that he's a willing and gleeful collaborator and a militant anti-communist Nazi himself.
>>2861466Indeed, Felix ought to be put down like a rabid dog for his endless crimes against communism and the people of the third world
>>2861451>Did Lenin actually say that?our only source for that is bertrand russel. there are a few letters from the civil war period where he ordered people to be shot or hung, but that's civil war business obviously
In the same way Hitler was an Austrian, the American Hitler will probably be a Canadian. Canada already exports its reactionary clowns to America.
>>2861479>Canada already exports its reactionary clowns to America.every country exports its reactionary clowns to america unfortunately. latasha harlins was shot by a petty bourgeois south korean
>>2861484hung means they have a big juicy cock
im voting for biden in 2028
>>2861496>roman psyop against subjugated colony turns into blowback that takes over the empiresame as it ever was
>>2861494If his supporters aren't put off by him being a bloodthirsty mercenary nazi why would they be bothered by allegations of sexual assault? Especially since we're talking about Democratic voters that have proven time and time again that they don't give a shit about that.
>>2861496Jesus recognized that the Roman state was historically progressive and that the Pharisees and Saducids were of a reactionary petite bourgeois class character.
Actually, a Lot of DSA Members Are Communists
>Trump’s characterization of the group prompted media dismissals, but a majority of the Democratic Socialists of America’s leadership identifies with Marxist ideology.
>Every two years, DSA convenes its national convention, where delegates pass resolutions and elect members to its board of directors, the NPC. From 2021 to 2023, the Socialist Majority Caucus and the Green New Deal slate held a majority on the NPC, drawing criticism for failing to hold elected officials accountable and for prioritizing coalition building that positioned the DSA as a political partner rather than an independent force. By 2023, however, a “coalition of Communist caucuses” had secured a majority on the NPC.
<More significantly, the convention repealed the organization’s ban on “democratic centralism,” the Leninist concept that internal debates and voting should occur behind closed doors, after which the group should present a unified public front. One DSA member described the ban as a “holdover from DSA’s anti-Communist period and a ward against entryism by external groups.”
>Just last month, the Marxist Unity Group (MUG) put forward an amendment to the “Workers Deserve More!” program that passed the NPC by a razor-thin 12–11 vote. That amendment added language calling for the replacement of the U.S. presidency and Supreme Court with bodies chosen by, and subordinate to, Congress. The coalition in favor of the amendment included MUG, Red Star, Springs of Revolution, Reform & Revolution, and the lone Libertarian Socialist Caucus member. The opposition was mainly Groundwork, the Socialist Majority Caucus, and Bread and Roses. In other words, a more radical bloc pushing for a revolutionary break in U.S. state structure beat out a more reform-minded bloc.https://www.city-journal.org/article/democratic-socialists-of-america-communism >>2861499I did good until "terpsichore" never heard that word before
>>2861497Speaking of how fucked up the english language is, did you know that the word "ghoti" is actually pronounced the same as "fish"?
>Gh as in "tough">o as in "women">ti as in "motion" cup status?
>>2861481Russell made it seem like it was Lenin's idea, the wiki page says that Lenin was reacting to an uprising.
It would be like Stalin saying: I baited hitler into attacking me.
>>2861514if the quote is true it was probably just lenin fucking with russel, since russel was a british pacifist and aristocrat, it might have been fun for lenin to ruffle his feathers in an interview
>>2861505Replacement of the President with a Prime Minister is not a meaningfully Communist platform, it would still be a bourgeois society and a bourgeois parliament rather than a bourgeois congress. If they were Communists, they would be calling for their cadre to take up arms and organize an underground struggle with the goal of destroying the US government entirely, but since they are not Communists they don't want that, they just want their student loans to be forgiven and a more comfortable life.
>>2861519>If they were Communists, they would be calling for their cadre to take up arms and organize an underground struggle with the goal of destroying the US government entirelyWhich would immediately lead to them being declared an illegal organization and make above ground organizing impossible. You can't declare shit like that, you do it quietly and with plausible deniability while pushing for immediate demands above ground.
>>2861519Everybody wants a more comfortable life dumbass
>>2861525They were also a tiny and mostly irrelevant party until they were allowed to operate legally following the February Revolution.
>>2861530They were tiny but not irrelevant.
>>2861533What made them relevant? In any case they wouldn't have been able to accomplish much without the massive explosion in membership between February and October.
>>2861528the trumpification of latam
>>2861525The Bolsheviks also maintained active combat organizations even when they were still the RSDLP. They had extensive underground apparatus and even maintained bomb making factories.
The DSA does not do this, and this is by design. Even the "Marxists" inside the DSA are not Leninists, they want a "democratic" (read: Bourgeois) road to Socialism, which is impossible.
Once again, you "historical materialists" treat Lenin like it's gospel and utterly ignore history. You quote Lenin but ignore what Lenin's party actually did.
This is because, to you, Communism and revolution are not actions you must undertake, but simply ideas you must debate. You are bourgeois dilettantes, not revolutionaries, and that is all you will ever be.
>>2861329Every single Berniecrat was bouncing on his dick, what the fuck do you mean? I'm glad something is finally sinking him, and everybody who told them so needs to make these clowns eat so much crow they choke.
>>2861539It's almost like American bourgeois democracy is fundamentally different from Tsarist absolutism and requires different tactics. If combat organizations and bomb throwing worked than the Weatherman would have led the proletariat into a revolution
Also again until you bring back the head of the dangerous fascist CPUSAnon you are just as much of a "bourgeois dilettante" as the rest of us, just angry all the time
>>2861329it is fucking hilarious that they're trying to rewrite history like this. no. many democrats endorsed him. many "independent" media people endorsed him majority report (sam seder), breaking points (ryan grim), ken klippenstein, hasan piker (though he denies it now and tries to get off on debate lord weasel technicalities like "i never said exactly verbatim that you should donate to his campaign!!!"), and many many more.
>>2861537>What made them relevant?I mean bolsheviks held the worker's curia in the Duma… they had party cells across Russia… they kept the organization afloat during the 1906 reaction… the bolsheviks kept organization and ideology… that's all very relevant
>things have to get worse because people are too comfortable
>we have to build an army but the majority are collaborators
>that army has to be dedicated, but you're all strasserists
>i'm talking to you for the umpteenth day in a row even though I think you are irredeemable
>I am sharing my plans with you even though you are reactionary
>we don't have enough time because climate change, no i won't explain how communism which is about the political supremacy of the proletariat is supposed to deal with climate change which is an ecological matter unrelated to proletarian supremacy
>You are all petty bourgeois class enemies, but I am begging you to engineer a crisis which lowers your quality of life even though I am ostensibly a Marxist who thinks you will act in your own material interests no matter what I say
Is this the behavior of someone doom spiraling?
>>2861542The error of the Weathermen (and to a lesser extent, the RAF) was not their tactics, but rather that they had no connection to the working class. You need legal, mass power to go along with your combat organizations or they will simply be choked out and crushed.
The IRA are the ones to look at, the Weathermen were not a serious combat organization. The RAF also had lots of good ideas, but they never got widespread penetration into the working class movements.
>>2861539>combat organizations adventurism leads nowhere
>>2861550Why should we bother connecting to the "working class" when the vast majority of them are willing and eager collaborators with the bourgeois state and will happily kill and die to defend imperialism?
>>2861542It also doesn't take much to see that the armed wing of the Bolsheviks in their early days didn't really accomplish much. They were successful because they landed a decisive blow at a moment of critical weakness and paralysis of the state, not because the robbed banks in the 1900s. I agree that it's good to have an underground wing, but I wouldn't call the absence of one fatal to a group's socialist bona fides. Especially when you consider that the election laws of many countries are such that you aren't allowed to participate if you are involved even with direct action or mutual aid, let alone anything illegal. The best thing for communists in America to do would be to maintain legal armed organizations (the US being one of the few countries where this can be done) but with plausible deniability, i.e. no overlap in personnel or official ties.
>>2861551>adventurism is when combat organizationslenin wrote against adventurism but also advocated combat organizations.
>>2861496The “Jesus was a Roman psyop” conspiracy is pretty dumb when you consider a lot of the proponents try to use “why isn’t there documentation of this carpenter who was also a messianic prophet in a place where there were tons of messiah claimants?”
>put on the budenovka
>get in the trench
>die for the party
>fight the endless waves of chuds, cops, soldiers, drones with your bajillion star wanted level
>>2861550Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sein Fein and the IRA only had unofficial ties no? I doubt they would have been allowed to stand for elections if they openly proclaimed themselves the political wing of the Provos.
>>2861553Also the RSDLP didn't start out with combat organizations, it only began forming them once the 1905 revolution got underway. Honestly I think the "Red Rabbits" that they use for security could easily be converted into a proper combat organization, the DSA's ties with the SRA would help streamline basic training. It's hardly insurmountable to suggest that the DSA can be transformed into a revolutionary organization, especially when it recently repealed its ban on democratic centralism, one of the main hurdles for communism becoming dominant within the organization
>>2861539>You quote Lenin but ignore what Lenin's party actually didThere's a tendency to glorify action for action's sake, and this is a completely anti-marxist tendency. It simply is not relevant what Lenin did, because the conditions in which Lenin did things are completely different. But the kernel of truth which lies in Leninism is its call to
political action, to
political freedom. This is the entire body of Lenin's work up until 1905. But the example I posted is very relevant. Participation in the DSA is
practical politics. Marx would've called it dirty and Jewish and thisworldy. And you can also find tens of letters between Marx and Engels about their activities (and of other communists) in smaller non-communist organizations, agitating for communism (just read the early correspondence post-German Ideology).
Ridiculous and infantile j'accuse about 'not doing enough' is your 'world-historic yardstick'. It's also the essence of fascism btw. Action-pour-action, just doing shit for the fun of it, not giving a fuck about strategy, longevity, organization, stability.
Me no frego, and so on. Revolution by all means, even if it means abandoning political struggle in favor of heroic sacrifice and unnecessary death.
I want to call you nihilists, but nihilists were at least aware they are giving up their beliefs. Are you even aware of what you are doing?
>>2861555"jesus was a roman psyop" does not mean there wasn't a historical jesus that the pro-roman jesus of the new testament was a distortion of. Judas of Galilee led a tax revolt and was killed. Zealots rebelled against the Romans and were crucified. Historical Jesus (whoever he may have been) however preached during a period of relative peace (in terms of there not being a civil war or war against the romans) between the revolt of Judas of Galilee and the Destruction of the Second Temple. Historical Jesus is odd because the earliest secular sources are Josephus, who wrote AFTER Titus destroyed the second temple.
> “why isn’t there documentation of this carpenter who was also a messianic prophet in a place where there were tons of messiah claimants?”well an even stronger argument is that one shouldn't expect there to be primary sources from before the destruction of the second temple since Jerusalem and all its literature was destroyed. The Dead Sea Scrolls survived largely because Essene hermits stored them in caves.
>>2861558>It's hardly insurmountable to suggest that the DSA can be transformed into a revolutionary organizationThe issue with many people's anti-DSA position isn't that they identify its problems, its that they treat these problems as permanent and unfixable. I can't say for certain whether the DSA can be changed into something worthwhile, but given the fact that no other party has made any serious headway in decades it can't hurt to take a shot at it. There isn't anything much more productive that this would divert resources from.
>>2861554no he didn't, he called bomb throwing petty work
>Nor does the leaflet eschew the theory of excitative terrorism. “Each time a hero engages in single combat, this arouses in us all a spirit of struggle and courage,” we are told. But we know from the past and see in the present that only new forms of the mass movement or the awakening of new sections of the masses to independent struggle really rouses a spirit of struggle and courage in all. Single combat however, inasmuch as it remains single combat waged by the Balmashovs, has the immediate effect of simply creating a short-lived sensation, while indirectly it even leads to apathy and passive waiting for the next bout. We are further assured that “every flash of terrorism lights up the mind,” which, unfortunately, we have not noticed to be the case with the terrorism-preaching party of the Socialist-Revolutionaries. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1902/sep/01.htmbomb throwing is spectacle brained adventurist shit
>>2861563>they treat these problems as permanent and unfixable.they have an unspoken assumption that revolutionary organziations can only decay into counter revolutionary organizations, but counter revolutionary organizations cannot evolve into revolutionary organizations or get hijacked by revolutionaries. My take is it depends on what kind of org you're trying to take over. Entryism might work as a strategy for some orgs but not others. At the end of the day, depending on the factors, I think an organization or institution can be taken over just like a building. If the Communists operated out of the Kremlin that once belonged to the Tsar, they can operate out of the white house, or out of the capitol building, or out of a city hall, or out of a formerly-reformist organization.
>>2861565<no he didn't, he called bomb throwing petty workyou avoided quoting me for a reason. I never said "bomb throwing."
i said combat organizations not bomb throwing. the red army was a combat organization. I didn't say a single thing about "bomb throwing." I said
>lenin wrote against adventurism but also advocated combat organizations.where do you see "bomb throwing" in there? dishonesty.
>>2861568the guy i was replying to said the bolsheviks had bomb factories stupid fuck
>>2861573you were responding to me and I said no such thing. you just assumed I was the previous guy but I was a third guy coming in with a position that was less stupid than both you and the other guy. you overcorrected the other guy
>>2861573also yeah the bolsheviks used explosives. How do you think they pulled off the Tiflis bank robbery?
new york city building collpasing, btw.
>>2861566It's worth noting that a number of successful communist parties were born either through takeovers of or splits from big tent type parties or coaltions that included non-communists. Just off the top of my head:
>Bolsheviks (split from RSDLP)>KPD (split from SPD)>CPC (split from KMT)>Cuban communists (took over 26th of July Movement)It definitely isn't unheard of.
>My take is it depends on what kind of org you're trying to take over. Entryism might work as a strategy for some orgs but not others.Yeah and the DSA seems especially susceptible to it precisely because of how ideologically weak and decentralized it is. This allows more committed, coherent, and disciplined elements to seize key positions and begin consolidating. The organization has undergone a pretty clear shift to the left in the last decade on pretty much every issues.
>>2861579the Tiflis bank robbery is a great example because it was a huge waste of time. it got socialists arrested in europe trying to spend it and lenin ended up burning the marked bills. not to mention the 50 innocent bystanders that ended up getting killed for nothing. adventurism is a waste of time
>>2861581yeah I heard about the evacuation 2 or 3 hours ago.
LOOK INTO THE OWNER AND INSURANCE POLICY IMMEDIATELY
>>2861583the goalpost has moved from
>the bolsheviks never did that to
>ok they did that but I still don't like itOK? I wasn't commenting on whether it was LE GOOD but whether the bolsheviks actually did it. capiche?
>>2861585Address the implicit fascist outlook of yours
See here
>>2861559 >>2861573not a factory, not a literal factory, but definitively they had access to explosives. either they stole them or they produced them artisanally or both.
>>2861587you seem confused. you are linking me a post that was neither mine nor addressed to me.
I am not advocating
>adventurismor
>bomb throwingor
>action for action's sakebut drawing a distinction between combat organizations (like the red army and the cheka) from "adventurists" (like the weathermen)
confused still?
>>2861563a fair enough point - but at the same time it can't be changed into something worthwhile as long as everyone thinks socialism is when the government is nice to people.
we need a mass education campaign on proper marxism for it to change
>>2861591>between combat organizations (like the red army and the cheka)When were the Red Army and ChK organized? Before or after seizing state power?
>>2861592>we need a mass education campaign on proper marxism for it to changeSo join a chapter and do exactly that.
>the far right can support convicted rapists and pedophiles with impunity
>but if you're anywhere left of Hitler and get accused of anything you immediate get hit with a circular firing squad
This is why the modern American Left will keep losing.
>>2861600True. Let us recall the Bauman affair.
>>2861601While exiled in 1899, Bauman had an affair with the wife of a fellow revolutionary who became pregnant with Bauman's child.[7] Bauman responded by openly mocking her, and circulating a vicious cartoon of her as the Virgin Mary with a baby in her womb, with a caption asking "who the baby looked like". The woman later hanged herself.[8]
This story had gained wide currency among Russian political exiles by the time Bauman reappeared in Switzerland in 1902, after the escape from Kiev.[citation needed] Some of those involved in producing Iskra, including Lenin's closest friend and collaborator, Julius Martov and Pavel Axelrod, one of the founders of Russian Marxism, wanted Bauman expelled from the organisation. In 1903, the board of Iskra adjudicated the matter, and Lenin interceded on Bauman's behalf. According to biographer Robert Service,
Lenin rejected the party's right to interfere, arguing that the party's task "was to make revolution against the Romanov monarchy and to vet the morality of comrades only when and in so far as their actions affected the implementation of the task".[7] The subsequent controversy divided the party, and has been described as "one of the many personal clashes which came to define the ethical distinctions" between the Bolshevik and Menshevik factions after 1903.[8]
>>2861585lol the bolsheviks never had bomb making as a party policy nor did they instruct stalin to bomb anyone, they subcontracted the bank robbery to his him and pals in georgia called The Outfit who decided to use and make the bomb themselves
>>2861602>focused on actually doing shit instead of sacrificing your political allies on the altar of moralismAmericans could never.
You would need the cooperation of federal agencies and agents to overthrow this government, something you will never ever have. You’ve only ever been useful idiots for the CIA and that’s how you will die.
>>2861602>comparing platner running for senator in the democratic party with the bauman affairi suppose this is unimaginably stupid. Slick Willy Clinton was also a democrat with a sex scandal. Should we defend him and pretend he is the reincarnation of Bauman as well?
>>2861600not really, all it shows is that the left is ideological while the right is tribal.
this is to the left's disadvantage in the short run (there's a glut of stupid, nasty boomers with tribal instincts), but in the long run it has taken the right - which arguably used to have more meaningful (e.g. implemented in policy 1970s-2000s) intellectual heft behind it than the left/center-left - and turned it into a cult of all of the dumbest people in society, a black hole with a gravitational pull that any smart person prejudiced enough to slip into its orbit winds up being dragged down to their level, an infinitely dense mental void.
meanwhile everyone with a brain is somewhere between a lib and a communist, lib-leaning policy wonks and economists, communist leaning creatives and (sub)cultural types.
>>2861613Clinton was bad for many other reasons, not because he got a blowjob.
>>2861614This is a tremendous cope - the left has never been weaker culturally. The right-wing is seizing control of all media. You're speaking like you've been asleep since 2008.
>>2861616>Clinton was bad for many other reasons, not because he got a blowjob.wouldn't you know it, platner is also bad for other reasons, not just because he might have raped some american woman. namely he is not fucking Bauman, a proletarian bolshevik in the early 1900s, but a petty bourgeois democrat in the 2020s, running for senate in an imperialist party. it's flat out stupid to compare platner to the bauman affair.
>>2861616Culture and media do not matter at all, they’re completely downstream from the workplace, put down the Gramsci
>>2861581<Just before 8 a.m. ET, the Fire Department of New York received a report of bricks falling from the high-rise building currently under construction on East 42nd Street, between 2nd and 3rd avenues. On arrival, fire officials said two columns had buckled on the 21st and 22nd floors, while floors were sagging between the 21st and 26th floors. No one was injured by falling bricks, fire officials said.
<David Maggiotto, a spokesperson for the city Department of Buildings, said agency inspectors were called to the scene to investigate reports that a steel beam was compromised on the building’s 21st floor. Maggiotto said the location is an active permitted construction site to convert existing commercial offices into residential units.former Pfizer building btw
americans probably downed a commercial airplane in the indian ocean.
it took various days for reagan to recognize, after multiple denials, that they downed the Iranian air flight 655.
let's see if this reagan 2.0 recognizes it if ever.
>>2861632he bought the buildings even though they were due for expensive renovations that would have cost more than the buildings themselves were worth
then he just happened to be out of the building when the attacks happened when normally he would be there every day
>faked by JEWSnobody said that shit asshole
>your're pol for noticing larry silverstein and everything else weird about 9/11 even though it was supposedly done by saudis and used as an excuse to invade everywhere but saud arabiayeah ok whatever
Have you guys ever meet a /pol/tard irl ? How was it if true ?
>>2861634plenty of weird stuff about 9/11; I just don't think the fact that the buildings were insured for terrorism after being previously targeted by terrorists is all that weird but whatevs
France shows how people instead of coming together to fight climate change they fight among each other for air conditioners. It’s over bros. Maybe we will get communism in 1000 years after the earth recovers.
>>2861640it's not merely the insurance, it's the fact that this guy bought the buildings in 2000, they were due for renovations by 2002, those renovations would have cost millions, perhaps billions, to remove the asbestos, the buildings were destroyed before he had to pay for renovations, and a building he supposedly worked in every day he was absent from just on that day, and then on top of all that he put in a word with the governor to get paid twice for one terrorist attack, because making money from the tragedy was more important than anything.
>>2861643I mean if you owned the twin towers are you seriously saying you wouldn't also try get the twice as big payout? Not taking that money isn't going to bring back any of the dead people lol
>>2861616you do not understand the current media landscape. elon musk owns twitter, yes, but his cultural status is still low. he is a cringe loser, the world's richest man is a cringe loser. 62% of young americans have a positive view of socialism in an environment where socialist media is a trainwreck! you'd be hard pressed to find 62% of US
socialists with a positive view of socialism 30 years ago!
>>2861648so this guy who was greedy bought something that was going to cost billions to renovate, and the renovations were literally due by 2002, so he had to pay for them before 2002 or else lose the building… and instead of setting up a single construction firm to do the renovations, with 3 months left in the year, he took a day off, and BOOM, suddenly the expensive renovations are no longer a problem for him, and also he gets a huge double payout for 1 attack? weird.
the bourgeoisie have never been above insurance fraud. read rajani palme dutt talk about the deliberate destruction of fixed capital and productive forces when they are no longer profitable. also this guy is heavily invested in israel, the country that benefited the most from the GWOT since it took care of all the secular arab nationalists who were against israel (like saddam hussein) by falsely linking them with the Israel-allied wahhabist fundamentalists who actually did the attacks.
>>2861643The port authority predicted 1.5-2.5bn over a 99 year lease on the towers when they were privatised and the winning bid was ultimately 3.25bn, in that context (and with inflation) getting 3bn in insurance just in case (someone bombed them in 93) doesn't seem unreasonable.
https://observer.com/2001/04/silverstein-recovers-dark-horse-may-win-world-trade-center/ >>2861643He's a multi-millionaire who owns buildings in nyc you don't need to convince me he's not a completely bloodless, greedy, grifting sociopath that's obvious.
>>2861652he was still obliged to pay nyc rent and to rebuild the towers(!) at a loss
>>2861654>at a lossproof it would have cost less to renovate (due by 2002) and not get an insurance payout?
>>2861278Looks like Troy Jackson is in. He will most likely win in the general. This is also not prophecy.
>>2861596>hey babe i have a new goalpostok, yes, the Bolsheviks did have combat organizations before taking power, but they were small, clandestine revolutionary cells, not a conventional military force, and they were most active in the years surrounding the 1905 Revolution rather than immediately before the October Revolution.These combat organizations would do things like fight the police and defend the workers during attempted suppression of strikes, conduct expropriations, etc
>>2861652Well there was a reason Bin laden was not IN Saudi Arabia at that time (not that he couldn't find a sympathetic saudi patron to hide him if he really wanted, the same way the ISI hid him in Pakistan.)
>>2861656asbestos removal cost was $200m
1 wtc cost $3.9bn, one of the most expensive US skyscraper constructions
odd way for larry to save money.
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Alright. Now,Roger.-
>>2861665he got paid 4.5 billion on the insurance
>>2861267what the fuck are you on about
>>2861670he had to pay $100mn/year ground rent + other lease fees to NYC despite all the buildings being blown up (=no rental income for him, all investments in them written off, etc.)
he claims his total loss was 8bn and once sued airlines for 12…
>>2861672hmmm maybe his dermatologist appointment really was just dumb luck
how many people died in gaza since 2023. i was arguing with someone that half the population died, so about 1 million, but they said it was much lower. I can't find reliable english sources because the US government is an accomplice in this genocide
>>2861675Hard to say. Many still missing. Only time will tell, honestly.
>>2861675Credible estimates like the lancet one are more in the 200k-300k range. It's hard to say though because Israel tends to kill investigators.
>>2861676
can't, was on the phone lol
>>2861675>>2861680The reason it stayed at around 50,000 was because after that the Gaza health ministry was so bombed it no longer had the capacity to keep counting.
>>286168275% of the buildings are gone so the idea that it could only be 2.5% of the population dead seems crazy. Even if the remaining 97.5% of the Gaza population was crammed into the remaining 25% of buildings, they'd be dying of communicable diseases and overcrowding. And the casualties per building would rise with each new building blown up, since more people would be crammed in each one. Maybe many of them are hiding in the ruins. We know bulldozers were burying uncounted corpses.
>>2861685The statisticians know that, their estimates of violent deaths always were roughly 50% more than health ministry counts. Then they put the missing apart which are likely dead too. And they add the even more numerous "non violent" deaths because of the infrastructure being rubble. I saw some researchers using past wars and studies like lancet to extrapolate 500k over mortality when the dust will settle which is still a whooping 25% of the population
>>2861637It was about what you expect, though the two I met were slightly less maladapted than the usual stock (they showered and were decently well groomed).
>years ago in my late teens>at church, two /pol/tards visit one day>they ask the pastor a question mid-sermon like it's some kind of socratic seminar, I respect the balls.>church kinda shocked but pastor plays along and it goes over smoothly>my friend at the time was the youth pastor, he invites them to lunch, I tag along>we meet in a lively public food joint>within 5 minutes it became obvious these guys were pseud white identitarian 4channers trying to subtly hide their power level>didn't take long before it devolved into saying the quiet part out loud.>"we're really into writers like Evola and Nietzche", "we're drawn to Christianity because it's not taken over by jewish degeneracy unlike secular culture","we're not a big fan of this christian universalism though, very jewish", "we carry nordic blood" and many more bangers I've since forgotten>I was embarrassed to death and kept silent the entire time while my pastor was totally taken aback, desperately trying to steer back to the topic of why christianity is moral and gives people around the world meaning/purpose/community.>it was very obvious they saw christianity as a means to an end for the dominance of their identitarian views.>pastor eventually meekly ends the conversation and voices disagreement over their worldview but encourages them to return and be open to change their mind.>they leave and pastor turns to me and we both laugh our asses off and spend the next few weeks cracking jokes about nordic blood and not being white enough for them.>I tell him about 4chan and /pol/ and he starts to feel bad that losers are being swayed into nazism.Needless to say they did not come back lol.
>>2861690What’s crazier is even after all that, Palestinians still outnumber Israelis in the territory as a whole by around 6 to 4 even as they continue the genocide. Unless every Haredim is eligible for conscription the IOF is going to collapse on the Lebanese and possibly Syrian front, in addition to permanently trashing their reputation forever.
>Ridin’ with Biden?
>nah, I’m Plap’in with Platner
>>2861637i know this short-ass indian guy who was REALLY into Nick Fuentes and Elon Musk
he'd practically worship the ground they were on
>>2861550>You need legalShut the fuck up, fed
>>2861696I"m not sure manpower is much less of a factor with the current state of technology and industry weilded by powerful states. Israel is one and all the other ones are either supporting them or being functionally neutral. They may just get away with it.
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>>2861703No but Israel are straight up losing the attrition war in Lebanon and can’t even manage to treat Al Sharah like the puppet he is, they think he’s another Sinwar. Their racism is literally making them fuck up tactically. That’s only going to get worse if you recruit Haredim to LARP as David.
>>2861702No they're right
>>2861742Who dictates what constitutes “legal”?
>>2861440>Poor peasants>Rich peasantsLmao he was yanking his chain
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