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>We did not start any war, there is no aggression on the part of Russia.
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>>2877669Dindu nuffin edition
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>Dindu nuffin edition
Hey man, I don’t use rightoid memes. Why do anons love sockpuppeting me? Is it jealousy?
>>2884214Poor choice of meme by me, I agree, years of imageboards have taken their toll on me.
WTF BROS RUSSIA JUST WON
ITS HAPPENNIING!!!!!
Again I ask, why does this site allow Hohols to post here. We would ban IDF members on the spot and for good reason, but if the genocidal freak says “Slava Ukraine!” suddenly they’re a protected class?
>>2884218Are the hohols in the room with us right now?
>>2884220I’ve repeatedly been accused of being a Russian and/or a FSB agent. I have to agree with the other anon, why are pro-Ukrainians protected and can’t be accused of literally being Ukrainians and/or SBU agents?
>>2884220There’s literally one in the last thread proudly flying the “Ukrainian” SSR flag as though Lenin making an internal administrative division suddenly validates a fake national identity built on the blood and bones of murdered Russians
>>2884228>why are pro-Ukrainians protected and can’t be accused of literally being Ukrainians and/or SBU agents?What stops you from accusing them of that? You do it all the tima and nobody has planted a bomb in your car yet
>>2884220Hohols or bloodthirsty belters pretending to be them
>>2884232Only person I’ve assumed to be Ukrainian was Ukrainanon, but in my defence that’s due to their choice of flag.
>What stops you from accusing them of that?<Are the hohols in the room with us right now?Just saying, Anti-NATO anons are accused of being Russian agents and no one clutches their pearls about it like that.
>>2884232>Teehee we literally murdered an innocent woman for the crime of being related to a Russian philosopher I’m so heckin quirky!!!Boy, that didn’t even take ten posts before the NAFOtards started gloating about being genocidal bastards
>>2884240Calling Dugin a Russian philosopher is giving him a bit too much credit, but yeah.
>>2884241Oh of course, the Russians are subhuman orks after all so there’s no possible way for them to have philosophers…
>>2884240Having your cake and eating it too is a privilege pro-Ukrainians afford themselves
>Noooo Ukraine would never send a drone at people actually having a beach party! That’s hateful to think that!<Ukraine could car bomb/shell you if they wanted to, you’re just too irrelevant for it So, Sloviansk-Kramatorsk line collapse when?
>>2884248Well it’s being invaded, so now.
>>2884249Russia hasn't invaded it yet, but the frontlines are very close to it now.
And after it falls, what next? Isn't it supposed to be last Ukrainian line of defense in the Donbass?
Inter-fascist war
>>2884253Konstantinovka is part of that line.
>>2884255SS iconography and Nazi Salutes gets dismissed as “not a big deal” compared to Ukraine’s right to defend itself, fuck that in fact because Ukraine’s defence is primarily enabled by countries whose rich and powerful all showed up on Epstein’s island at some point and that’s apparently not enough to question “are we the baddies”.
I dunno what that guy may have said in the past, but clearly it’s going to have to be pretty fucking special to beat all that.
>>2884231Was Rosa right after all?
>>2884255But um Russia has nazis too you know
>>2884245You have brain damage
>>2884255>It's really the Z gang's faultOh, go fuck yourself. Everybody in the West knew and complained about Ukrainian Nazis, right up until Russia invaded. Then everything was thrown down the memory hole and the West collectively started bleating Nazi slogans and making excuses about it.
You should know by now that 1984 was based on Orwell's own experience working on British propaganda.
>>2884262It wasn't a problem really until Gorbachaev and other libs got into power. It comes a big problem in that context and that's ultimately what should have been avoided, not necessarily making the Russian revolution also liberationary for the Russian Empire's constituent nationalities.
>>2884269>Wowzaz! She looks so mature with her gun, her lolipop that kind of looks like a cigarette, the patriotic ribbons in her hair and a facial expression of determinationLike I'm not reading too much into this, right? That is nonce logic isn't it?
>>2884248the Stalemate will expand to include them in the next couple months or so.
>We did not start any war, there is no aggression on the part of Russia.
humble trvthnvke
>>2884255>It's really the Z gang's fault for not educating people on Ukraine's schizo nationalist homophobe philosophersbuddy, you come to a thread where people keep receipts.
at least I do, by a lot.
who decided that, after Feb. 2022, was a good idea to downplay everything they themselves were warning about it before Feb. 2022?
>>2884248>ebekah Maciorowski - a Sergeant in the 53rd Separate Mechanized Brigade - indicates that the situation in the Kramatorsk/Slovyansk direction is dire for Ukraine right now.as per AMK.
either zelya pulls some troops from other places to contain this, and risk advances elsewhere, or it will be sooner than you may realise.
>>2884255I remember Korchynsky because he was like (paraphrasing from memory) "I was angry when the people elected Zelensky, because he is a Jew, the Jew cannot be president, because president is a national symbol and The Jew is international in nature. Jew can be finance minister, that is fine, but president is too far, it is like trampling the flag… however now I am having second thoughts, because now they cannot call us nazis because we have Jewish president."
which was funny to me because it was the same way retards in the US acted when Obama got elected.
>>2884406That might be funnier than Dugin. Dugin is pretty funny but that's national treasure stuff.
>>2884285you're a massive retard. the whole point of the screenshot is to juxtapose the hypocrisy of the top and bottom where the same woman said if a palestinian kid has a gun it's understandable if he is shot, while a ukrainian kid with a gun is hecking brave and the next hillary clinton. how are you making this about pedophilia
>>2884231>the “Ukrainian” SSR flagwhy is Ukrainian in scare quotes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Soviet_Socialist_Republicit was a real thing. i mean who cares if a banderite appropriated it last thread
Why is this war still ongoing?
>>2883914>That was at a request from the Koreans themselvesUltra giga turbo tier brainlet, just proved the guy you replied to right all by yourself
Guess what happened 20 feb 2022 then, a week~ after ukies launched a full scale offensive with the entirety of their forces, recorded even in OSCE spooks' (which left right after shit hit the fan) report of 14-17 feb?
Yep, "a request from DNR and LNR themselves".
>>2884414>while a ukrainian kid with a gun is hecking brave and the next hillary clintonBecause that's working on the same logic, that oh actually a 9 year old can be a hecking brave solider if they seem up for it and un-coerced which that photo set up by her father definitely seems to imply his daughter is.
That's the logic you hear out of lolberts when it comes to age of consent, is it not?
Also there's actually no hypocrisy on display, the woman thinks both pictures depict legitimate soldiers.
She accepts the Ukrainian photo as it's intended, propaganda about how brave Ukrainians are, even the children… and that's surely an unnecessary point to make? While for the un-sourced and out of context "Hamas" photo is being pressed as
evidence that child soldiers are legit in Palestine.
So if there's a juxtaposition here, it's between a strange willingness to
promote child soldiers in Ukraine while for Hamas it needs to be an accusation using a photo that could be from anywhere with private gun ownership (and enough money for a AR with a red-dot scope) as evidence.
>>2884480>if they seem up for it and un-coerced no,the idea is that she is brave because she "takes up arms" despite being a child,and in the second one it implies they're coerced into it
it's just double standard because 1 is considered "brave defender of their motherland" and 2 is "islamist terrorist"
>>2884523Sure or just the standard cognitive bias of
>Our soldiers are for killing>Their soldiers are for dyingand that’s why Ukrainian child soldiers are based! based! based!
>the idea is that she is brave because she "takes up arms" despite being a child>despite being a childFrankly, that’s a phrase that never should be said. Like a less controversial comparison if you like, is when a child is celebrated for working to afford their parent’s cancer treatment, showing such diligence and hard work despite being a child. Shouldn’t be a thing. And yet of course it is for Slava Ukraini.
Ugh, it’s just a drop in the ocean of mental derangement being a Ukraine supporter entails really.
>>2884430It's profitable for Russia
Haven’t seen much in the way of pro-Ukrainians boasting that “a country without a navy controls the Black Sea” recently.
>>2884218comparing ukraine with israel
try not to laugh challenge
>>2884231>a fake national identity built on the blood and bones of murdered Russianswhat nationality is that?
>>2884566You’re right, that’s unfair to Israel
>>2884218No one has ever said Slava Ukraine in any of these threads. Like always the Ziggers here love to strawman relentlessly.
>>2884269Ypu only harp on about Nazis as propaganda. There are Russian Nazis too but you dont care because theyre on your side. You dont care about opposing Nazis, only that they oppose Russia.
>>2884653This thread is not really about the war as such, it's about a few guys and their interpersonal relationship, it's a bit like the movie Casablanca if you ever seen it.
>>2884653Anons sockpuppet me while making strawman arguments, again I have to agree with anon that there is apparently preferential treatment for pro-Ukrainians where everything said about them has to be “fair” while no one clutches their pearls about the mountain of bollocks made up about Ziggers. Including the word “Zigger”.
was there even an Ukraine before Zetards decided to invade?
>>2884687There was a The Ukraine before hand, a fictional setting from the STALKER games, allegedly based on Chernobyl in Soviet Russia.
>>2884661The war is like a love triangle between Trump, Cucktin and the EU/Zelensky.
>>2884661Okay but in the inevitable terrible CGI movie inspired by this thread who gets voiced by Charlie Sheen?
>>2884685>Anons sockpuppet me while making strawman argumentsHmm I wonder if you've ever been caught doing anything similar? Perhaps to a certain poster fond of the Spurdo flag? Pot, meet kettle.
>>2884269Ukraine has neo-Nazis and a right-wing nationalist government.
Iran has a right-wing religious fundamentalist government.
Why is one SMO based and the other not so?
>>2884705No, that was some schizo trying to make create the Champagne Files over the site being restored from a backup that didn’t have the Champagne Socialism flag for months.
The scandal was that I would use the Champagne emoji instead when phoneposting as that was easy to do, but not bothering to when at a computer and I’d have to use some obscure Unicode input or copy pasting. Even when the flag didn’t exist I still put an abnormal amount of effort into being a flagfag.
>>2884708>Why is one SMO based and the other not so?lib propaganda painted cucktin as a based 5D chess anti-west trve barbarian mastermind and tankiddies fell for it
>>2884729>>2884653>Like always the Ziggers here love to strawman relentlessly.Thank you for demonstrating the fucking irony behind Ukrainon's post so quickly
>>2884757>>2884755the count doesn't take into consideration drones, airplanes, helicopters, troop training, small weapons, clothing, intelligence support, and much more.
>>2884757>>2884755A particularly big and expensive scrap yard this all came out of then lmao.
It's not pointed out enough, but it's quite incredible how in 2022 the narrative was that supporting Ukraine didn't cost anything, then in about 2024 it becomes any price is worth killing Russian soldiers without getting nukes and now it's literally claiming money is irrelevant because Ukraine will apparently get givas from Russia and then NATO can get givas from Ukraine.
>>2884764and that's what's public. I can imagine some countries sending in secrecy some stuff.
>>2884768Ah other than the aforementioned drones, small weapons, intel, etc, the big secret will be dead special forces troops. For Britain's part I bet the SAS will have been all over the shop in this conflict and I'm reasonably sure it hasn't always played out as it does in Call of Duty.
>Zelensky allowed former prisoners to serve in the TCC.
>The law he signed also allows convicts to transfer between units after one year of service and to terminate their contracts early if they become disabled.
>On August 4, 2026, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy signed Law No. 4931-IX (Draft Law No. 15225), which grants former convict soldiers serving under military contract rights equal to other military personnel. The law permits wounded or ill ex-prisoners to transfer to support roles or Territorial Recruitment and Social Support Centers (TCCs), allows unit transfers after one year, and provides early contract termination for service-related disabilities.https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-signs-new-law-giving-full-rights-to-former-convict-soldiers-in-army/scrapping the bottom of the barrel, I see.
>>2884787>At the same time, the likelihood of an attack from the territory of Belarus to the Kiev region, according to him, is low.Oh well at least there's some peremoga
>>2884790I let my subscription lapse a few months ago, perhaps the paid part makes an incredible revelation but in a world of Panama Papers and Epstein Lists, there's little to be gained from learning the "truth" of Nordstream II outside of the US saying it would end if Russia invaded Ukraine and then it going pop after Russia invaded Ukraine.
It's always some bitch pencil pusher at the CIA thought it was a bad idea that got immediately overruled by someone who has earned a beachside mansion from living out their 80s action movie fantasies of blowing up all the bad guys for 'murica, presented as internal conflict. That's always the story with these investigative articles.
>>2884790there's a serious problem in the article, and the book itself:
>There are some other issues Pancevski flags. For instance, the [NORWEGIAN] warships Hersh alleges were involved in blowing up the pipelines >would have been easily identified by public radar systems< and would have had to declare themselves to marine traffic systems. The small yacht Pancevski and German investigators allege was used, in contrast, had no need to declare itself in such a manner.the core premise to present the book, and then the article, rests on a false premise.
it assumes warships are legally required to broadcast their position like civilian ships. They are not.
norwegian nansen-class frigates are designed with stealth features that make them appear much smaller on radar than they actually are. I particularly remember on time a norwegian frigate colliding with an oil tanker because the oil tanker couldn't detect on their radars the warship, just a blip, or and unidentified radar echo. the "blip" doesn't expose the ship's identity; it obscures it, making hersh theory stronger, not weaker.
the only thing true is the divert to the andromeda, published by the NYT. and pancevski may be as well diverting the attention to this speculation, by ignoring some facts about maritime traffic.
Trump rejects Zelensky’s request for more Patriot missiles – FT>The US president has also cast doubt on allowing Ukraine to manufacture the interceptors under license<US President Donald Trump has reportedly rejected Vladimir Zelensky’s request for hundreds of additional Patriot interceptor missiles, the Financial Times has claimed, citing people familiar with the talks. The refusal comes as Washington has also cast doubt on plans to allow Ukraine to manufacture the weapons under license.https://swentr.site/news/643905-trump-ukraine-no-patriots/Though by no means is it a romcom
>>2884790>>2884836anyway, interesting reading, as per usual by events in ukraine. it always makes me think or further investigate and use the briancells, tysm, appreciated.
>>2884708>Ukraine has neo-Nazis and a right-wing nationalist government. >Iran has a right-wing religious fundamentalist government. >Why is one SMO based and the other not soIran overthrew a coup, Ukraine enforces one
The two have a wildly divergent relationship to the colonial counter revolution. One managed to survive it in the Muslim world, the other is part of Europe trying to use the momentum to restore itself
Imperialist restoration of power lost from ww2 to the 60s/70s is bad. The course of things after the 80s is bad.
Putin reshuffles military commanders in charge of Ukraine conflict>The Russian Defense Ministry is being fine-tuned for the ongoing hostilities, the president has said<The reshuffle was made public during a government meeting on Wednesday. It includes appointing a single person in charge of military logistics and arms supplies. He named Col. Gen. Valery Solodchuk, the commander of the ‘Center’ group of forces, to the position.https://swentr.site/russia/643876-russian-military-commanders-reshuffle/Solodchuk? I guess Russia was being beaten on the Irony Front when Ukraine for years had a Russian geezer as its top general.
https://larrycjohnson.substack.com/p/the-west-is-winning-the-information
>I stumbled across something pretty bizarre today when I queried one of the AI-search engines about Russia’s capture of territory in Ukraine in 2026. Here is what the Chinese KIMI claimed:
<The evidence from multiple sources — including Ukrainian official claims, Western think tanks, and Ukrainian independent trackers — suggests that Ukraine recaptured substantially more territory than Russia captured during the first half of 2026, driven by the southern counteroffensive. However, the pace of Ukrainian gains has slowed since spring, and Russia has made small net gains in recent months (June–July). The overall net for the full year so far appears to still favor Ukraine, but the margin and the exact numbers depend heavily on whose methodology you use.
>There you have it… Ukraine is winning the war on the ground according to AI. Let me emphasize that you will find this same propaganda on GROK or Claude. The Western propaganda effort is paying dividends on the information operation side of the house. Even the Chinese-coders who created KIMI are pushing Western propaganda.
>So let me give you the actual rundown for 2026. Russia started 2026 with Gerasimov’s report to Putin announcing the liberation of Pokrovsk (Krasnoarmeysk) — the Donetsk logistics hub under siege for nearly two years — and of Vovchansk in Kharkiv. Through November of 2025 the MoD had reported a steady run of captures, including Petrovskoye in the DPR and Tikhoye and Otradnoye in Dnepropetrovsk.
>Moving into the spring of 2026, TASS reported that Russian forces liberated 63 settlements from March through May 2026 — 20 in March, 16 in April, and 27 in May, the strongest month. The regional breakdown was 21 in Kharkiv Region, 19 in the DPR, 14 in Sumy, six in Zaporozhye, and three in Dnepropetrovsk. The Sumy and Kharkiv gains are framed by Moscow as building a “security zone” along the Russian border.
>By early summer (June), Gerasimov reported that Russian forces were continuing the liberation of “Donbass and Novorossiya,” advancing on all fronts. The 3rd Army was advancing toward Slavyansk and Kramatorsk — liberating Piskunovka, reaching the outskirts of Nikolayevka, and reported to be less than 5 km from the eastern edge of Kramatorsk, with the capture of Krasny Liman (Lyman) said to be due soon.
>Battlegroup West advanced on a broad front; in the Kupyansk area, having repelled Ukrainian attempts to break through to western Kupyansk, with assault units pushing west toward Shevchenkovo. In the Dobropolye area north of Krasnoarmeysk, fighting in Dobropolye and Annovka, with Lenina (Ukrainian name Mirnoye) taken and Shevchenko, Krasnoyarskoye, and Svetloye reported as liberated.
>In July TASS counted 32 settlements liberated, with 22 of them — over 68 percent — in Kharkiv Region and the DPR. By battlegroup: North took ten, Center eight, West six, East five, and South three, and the month’s most significant developments were the liberation of Konstantinovka in the DPR by Battlegroup East and the capture of Belitskoye by Battlegroup Center. Konstantinovka is one of the four Donetsk fortress belt cities.
>At present the Russians are driving on the last major Ukrainian-held Donetsk agglomeration — the Konstantinovka–Druzhkovka–Kramatorsk–Slavyansk belt — alongside the Sumy/Kharkiv border zone and consolidation in Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk.
>Along with the ground operations in eastern Ukraine, Russia has ended Ukraine’s ability to conduct maritime and trade operations from Odessa and Nikolaev since July 22nd. Ukrainian farmers will not be able to export products via the Black Sea ports and western supplies, which once flowed freely through Odessa. Ukraine’s maritime lifeline is severed and will not be in operation until after the war with Ukraine is over.
>Finally, there is the daily Russian missile and drone attacks on Kiev and other key Ukrainian logistics and military hubs. The destruction of factories and warehouses is effectively bleeding Ukraine dry. The West persists in painting the war in Ukraine as a crusade that sits on the threshold of victory, but the realities on the ground tell a dramatically different, grim story… Ukraine is losing. >>2884860>Iran overthrew a coup, Ukraine enforces one Useless liberal definitions. "Coup" is not objective.
>>2884949It is when there's a fuck tonne of dollary dooes behind it
>>2884708which one is a dog of the empire
>>2884992shut the fuck up you english muppet
>The domestic stability of candidates who could fill that void, such as Germany’s Friedrich Merz, remains in doubt. Meanwhile, leadership hopefuls who are more sympathetic to Russia, such as Marine Le Pen, wait in the wings and could reshape Europe’s support for Ukraine next year.
>She has previously promised to remove France from Nato’s military command, lift sanctions on Russia and urge Ukraine to agree to a peace deal on Moscow’s terms.
>Far-Left firebrand Jean-Luc Mélenchon, who is seen as one of her chief rivals in the ballot set for nine months’ time, has gone even further, pledging to withdraw from the Western military alliance.
Such a shame that bourgeois democracy doesn't work like this, and either of Le Pen or Melenchon will bend the knee
>>2885242a nuke would be preferable but cluster munitions are ok for now
>>2884757b-b-but muh interimperialistische konflikt
This is a national liberation war of Ukraine against Russia in which imperialist rivalry is an auxiliary element.
well, the EU ended the ukrainian status protection for anyone that comes out the ukraine.
>(16)
The evolving military needs of Ukraine in defending itself against Russia’s war of aggression and in particular the conscription obligations as legitimately defined by Ukraine in its legal order require the Union’s full support. Therefore, those needs should be fully taken into account by the Union and Member States while providing full support to displaced persons from Ukraine by means of temporary protection. It is therefore essential that the Union continue to apply temporary protection in a way that, while benefitting displaced persons, does not negatively affect Ukraine’s overall ability to best defend itself against Russia’s war of aggression and to decide freely on the organisation of its defence forces.
(17)
>To this end, without prejudice to Union law and fundamental rights, temporary protection should only be granted to individuals who can provide proof to Member State authorities that they are, where applicable, in compliance with their military obligations. Considering the need to take into account the current defence needs as determined by Ukraine, and without affecting the situation of persons who already benefit from temporary protection in a given Member State before or on the date of the entry into force of this Decision and who retain such status in that Member State continuously after that date, the requirement that individuals provide proof that they are in compliance with their military obligations should apply from the entry into force of this Decision, which should be the day after its publication in the Official Journal of the European Union.https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dec_impl/2026/1912/oj/engof course, is the eruopean council, deciding and ruling for the love of the extinction of ukrainians lmao, with some bs extra-legislative powers it has that a body that should be the executive body shouldn't have. but anyway.
tl;dr: applies to first-timers. they must prove they either served in the uaf or that they have a special permit.
I can see some morons on multiple platforms having a UA flag closing their accounts, avoiding the risk of getting tracked down and be confused with someone very capable of going to the frontline. LMAO
>>2885415
maidan was a western coup staged staged with the help of the ukrainain far right getting in bed with the liberals. A neocon wet dream. They were bombing donbass for the better part of a decade before russia very lambastically intervened.
For the record I am not really pro annexation, it should be it's own country, novorussia. However, a puppet nato ukrainian government doesn't deserve the east or black sea access for that matter.
>>2885415
being against nato ≠ supporting the russian state
if ukkkrainian nazis (azov etc..) get killed thats based, if russian nazis get killed thats based too, however the ukkkrainians seemingly dont care about the nazis in the russian army since they actually used them as cannon fodder in kursk lol
>>2885440
>>2885434
>>2885436
samefag
>>2885441>I'm against NATO, I just oppose every attempt to threaten NATO's hegemonyok dude
>>2885439
Bolsheviks were in many ways an anti-Russian political force. They also did not allow Russia to have its own party when all of the other republics had for example Communist Party of Belarus/of Ukraine/of Latvia/etc. The intention was clearly to weaken the Russian people politically, and that means that where Russian people lived but where another nation also lived, the other nation would be given political supremacy
>>2885445what, the ukrainians are opposing nato hegemony, i didnt know that
>>2885459
There shouldn't be a 'border' separating Russia from "Ukraine" in the first place.
>>2885455
no, nato is at fault since would it have dissolved itself alongside the soviet union there would have been no russian military buildup and cucktin couldnt have used anti nato rhetoric to justify said buildup. self determination was a rightist mistake and will not be repeated
>>2885458>being against nato ≠ supporting the russian stateaka, "I'm against NATO but hate the only military power militarily struggling against NATO aside from Iran."
>>2885459
there shouldnt have been borders in the first place. lenin in good intentions thought that all nationalist sentiment could subdued by giving them proper representation (not even the US did that and i am not talking about token native americans that have been completely anglofied) but thats a brainworm he got from marx on the polish question. it was a rightist error
>>2885472
Ukraine is not a real nation any more than Israel is. They are just Russians convinced by narratives from German, Austrian, and Hungarian imperialism that they should be separated from their historical motherland.
>>2885475
There's no need to mention Belarus since they will re-establish a united polity in the future anyway.
Russia has the natural right to all of the former territories of the USSR of course but most immediately, legitimizing pseudo-nationalist sentiments of separatist Russians was the most flagrantly anti-Russia policy of the Bolsheviks.(USER ALREADY BANNED)
>>2885470why should i support the russian and iranian state in itself? for what reason? as a communist?
>>2885482Because they’re geopolitically Marxist Leninist even if their precise class character isn’t
>>2885480
Those peoples only ever underwent economic development under the tutelage of Russia. Russia has proven historically to be the natural center of their development.
Kazakhstan in particular was mostly ethnically Russian anyway until the dissolution of the USSR led to the flight of non-titular ethnic groups from throughout the republics.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
>>2885482<We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things.In the present historical movement, this is the establishment of multipolarity.
You will never be a communist.
>>2885477
>Has nothing to do with this war. This is a retarded national war on both sides that is being used by imperialism but is not subordinate to it
Denying reality upfront is not gonna make it untrue. Nato simply existing after the Soviet threat was gone, after the russian threat was gone with yeltsin as a us puppet, would irreversibly lead to conflict. nato literally switched from the "soviet" threat to the "russian" threat, thats it.
>>2885483>>2885485multipolarity isnt communism and has itself nothing to do with it and the first one question i wont even pretend is genuine
>>2885496*argument* not question
>>2885492Why is NATO existing a threat to Russia? Reminder that the USSR dismantled itself after decades of retarded economic policies. NATO had nothing to do with fall of USSR and today it has nothing to do with the situation Russia is in, it's an entirely self created situation.
>>2885485capitalist states only reproduce the present state of things, you are a moron
>inb4 le epic stalin quote about the emir of afghanistanif he was correct we wouldnt live in capitalism right now
>>2885482there arent any reasons
all the arguments you will get are kautskyite nonsense rebranded
>>2885493
You really struggle with reading, do you
>>2885503>>2885484>Those peoples only ever underwent economic development under the tutelage of Russia. Do you know what tutelage is
>>2885507
Tutelage refers to the guiding influence of one party over another party. In this case, the Russian people over the central asian peoples.
>>2885499If you don’t think you’ll “live under capitalism” under communism too then frankly you’re just an infantile radlib
>>2885498>Reminder that the USSR dismantled itself after decades of retarded economic policies. also since when are blatant unread libs allowed on this board?
>>2885517
Communists don't believe in natural right. What matters is what furthers economic development. Lenin mistakenly believed that in a legal right to self-determination specifically in the context of re-building the Russian state in the eruption of the Civil War, not as some natural right ordained by a deity, lol.
>>2885526
Yes, just admit you're an anti-Communist and stop trying to pretend that you're anti-SMO from some pseudo-Communist point of view.
>>2885527youre talking to the lib in thread, im not that anon
>>2885534
>engels in favour of panslavism
LOL LOL LOL
>>2885531
>Perhaps putin was right in saying that this shit is lenins fault.
Its everyone else fault but Boris Yeltsins who groomed putler into power.
>>2885543
only MLoids do that shit
#NotAllCommies
>>2885455
Your education system has failed you.
>>2885472
Would you support the Confederate States of America's "right to self determination?"
>>2885498>Why is NATO existing a threat to Russia?The entire purpose of nato is to destroy Russia you retard
>>2885584how is keeping russia from invading europe >destroying russia?
>>2885484I'm really amazed mods don't ban uyghas like you on sight
>>2885606The entire point of nato was to destroy Russia, you massive state department cucked retard
>>2885613no it's not it's a defence pact, it's point isn't even to push russia back to asia it's to keep it from invading further into europe
there's nothing worth destroying in russia
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2885618The purpose of nato is to destroy Russia you dog of Washington
>>2885672thats fucking hilarious
>>2885672completely amazing
>>2885672>be hohol land>asks for givas>i'it-it's f-for c-combating le A-Asiatic H-h-horde>become the biggest bentley market.gg sniper headshot 360 no scope.
>>2885484Imagine my shock and see that the samefagger
>>2885440,
>>2885434,
>>2885436, questioning Russia, also came at the same moment when someone like this
>>2885484 posted that.
completely unnoticeable, you rarteds.
>>2885984>>2885984we are not far away from armed tcc.
So what’s this about the Black Sea? Is the bread going through the strait of occupied Constantinople or not?
>>2885984busifiers are such cowardly fucking faggots. I hope they're rounded up set on fire if ukraine ever has a revolution
>>2886059Ukraine bombed every ship going to and from Russia's ports and bragged about it. Russia responded in kind, shutting down all the ports around Odessa. Now Ukraine is crying about strikes on ships. FAFO
>>2886077They will literally never have a revolution. Their only hope is a Russian administration.
>>2885484Why was this anon banned? Did he get the marxist theory wrong? Can someone explain?
>>2886100Mods doing both-sides. They gave a public ban to a NAFO guy so they have to do the same to the flipside.
>>2885478>Russia has a natural right because reasons<Zionists don't because you know, they just don't okay?Reminds me of zionists arguing Palestinians don't exist and aren't real
>>2886130Zionists and Banderites have the exact same narrative of territory being theirs despite the overwhelming majority of people there speaking the “wrong” language and being of the “wrong” nationality due to a supposed ancient invasion that has
legally been undone via the borders they were given by someone else, now they just need to scrub the “invaders” from the homes their families lived in for centuries to make it stick.
You can hear both Zionists and Banderites suggest that their brutality isn’t their fault, but that of the victims for not abandoning their occupancy and fucking off to Egypt for the former or Moscow for the latter
>>2886138It’s from that narrative that scrutiny of the Israeli and Ukrainian nationalities follows, because it’s illogical to suggest territory is yours by “historical right” and nationalist mythos, but not the people on it who must leave and are free game to attack if they don’t.
>>2886138>Post about Z' arguing how Ukrainians aren't real and Russia has some natural right to all of Ukraine>Makes it about Banderites and the DonbasLike I get you want to dunk on ukronationalists, but you do realize this is the same shit right?
>Our natural ancestral clay, their fake peoplesIs just as reactoid whether its Z gang, ukronationalists or zionists doing it.
>>2886143>Makes it about Banderites and the DonbasWhy is that not allowed? I’ve explained myself, albeit over two posts rather than just the one you replied
>Our natural ancestral clay, their fake peoplesIt’s not that the nationality is entirely fake, but its own mythos massively overstates how large “Ukraine” is and how distinct of a nation it is compared to the countries it’s “The Ukraine” of.
And let’s face it, there is a wide gap between acknowledging that a scarce few people speak only Ukrainian and then agreeing that means ALL the claims made by those people are true… but only the claims against Russia should be prosecuted while Poland should be left alone because they’re giving them weapons to attack Russian speakers with.
The opportunism on display is to the point of absurdity, so for all intents and purposes the Ukrainian nationality is fake in that the truth of it is minuscule compared to the myths that justify genocidal acts, both historical and presently.
>>2886168Ukrainian is an artificial, newly-created language, just like modern Hebrew. And like Hebrew, it is only spoken by virtue-signaling fascists.
>>2886208Agreed, but the point of the post is that even if one does acknowledge the Ukrainian language and nationality as organic, there’s still a huge gap between that and accepting all the mythos that Ukrainian nationalists have created as historical truth.
Whereas for pro-Ukrainians the mythos is simply the truth,
Kiev Lvov is allowed to exclusively write the history of the region… so long as that history is hostile towards Russia and Russians within NATO’s latest attempt to expand. Without that conflict, there is no Ukraine to the wider world, rather fittingly it’s just an irrelevant buffer between Russia and NATO.
Prior to 2014 the only reason anyone was even aware of Ukraine as being different to Russia was because of the Holodomor, an extremely selfish interpretation of a famine that effected multiple countries framed as genocide and justification for a prospective conflict with Russia.
>>2886101>>2886100he was probably the same guy.
>>2886222>there’s still a huge gap between that and accepting all the mythos that Ukrainian nationalists have created as historical truth.That's par for the course. Newly-minted US vassal states need a mythos/"history" that separates them from their former, socialist history. This is where de-communisation comes in. It happened in the Baltics after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, it happened in former Yugoslav states after the dissolution of Yugoslavia. They can't say "we used to be socialist and things were great, but now we changed". They have to say the socialist period was oppression that was forced on them by external forces and their new, capitalist, neoliberal state is liberation, independence and what the people had dreamed of while under the socialist boot.
They want the complete and total rejection of history, and reality. In Ukraine's case it is elevation of Bandera, Shukyevych, and other nationalists to hero status. They need to be re-imagined as fighters against socialism, against Russians, for an independent Ukraine. Ukrainians have even gone so far as to say that not only Russia, but European civilisation originated in Ukraine. It doesn't matter that everyone knows it's not true, in fact that's the point. The wilder the story one believes the bigger nationalist and lover of Ukraine one is.
>Prior to 2014 the only reason anyone was even aware of Ukraine as being different to Russia was because of the Holodomor, A myth perpetuated by Ukrainian diaspora in Canada that is descended from the Nazi collaborators that fled Ukraine after WWII. Believing in Holodomor is a virtue signal that you are a true, patriotic Ukrainian.
The Ukrainians that don't play along with myth-making get labeled traitors, saboteurs, pro-Russians, and end up self-exile or dead. Which is a way of maintaining purity of thought/belief.
You haven't seen the end of it. Ghost of Kyiv, Snake Island 13, hundreds of thousands of abducted children, grannies that throw pickle jars at Russian drones, hunters shooting down Russian jets with hunting shotguns is the stuff we've heard so far. When the war is over we'll hear hundreds of stories of "heroism", of suffering at the hands of Russians. People will be competing who can tell and believe the crazier story.
Another example is the battle of Mariupol, which wasn't a loss, but a great victory for Ukraine. You won't hear how the Azovites blocked the roads and prevented civilians from leaving, you'll hear how the Russians killed civilians on purpose. Anyone who says the former is a pro-Russian traitor, anyone who says the latter is a Ukrainian patriot.
This is done to ensure that Ukraine and Russia can never be reconciled in the future, that Ukraine always remains separate. Just like there is no way that Yugoslavia can ever be put back together because of the diverging myths and histories.
>>2886081Dont see the value this has in legitimizing four year old 2 month special military operation and having a bunch of slavs slaugthering each other, like i get that ukrine has like a butt load of nazis and is a western satelite, don’t know why that means that ukraine should be made into the fleshlight of a bunch of russian oligarchs or the dream of a ”great russian empire” held by russian rightoids and chauvenists, this war is the most clear cut exemple of a proxy war between two capitalist great powersmthat dosent give a shit about the proletarian, i dont get why everyone looses any and all critical thinking skills when it comes to this topic and becomes either a annoying nafo boomer or a acholic vatnik, supporting the islamic republic against us and israeli agression? sure but i fail to see why i should support azovites or the ”national liberation struggle” of wagner lol
>>2886309To be fair ukraine supporters are more annoying, though largely due to there being more of them on the western spheres of the internet than that of russian supporters
>>2886311Hell, i can see the agurment for russia coming on top as a technicl gain and net good since it would weaken the overwhelmong hegmonoy that the west has enjoyed for nearly over thirty years, and even that life under russian infulunce would be better than that of the west, but i cant see the reason why any self proclaimed any imperialist and ”leftist” should be waving russian flags and spamming z,defending the russian federation at every turn, like that is something that should be limited only to old russian boomer soviet nostalgics bruh
>>2886208Ukrainian dialect and language arose as a result of mixing between polish and rus langugaes, ukraine after all means ”borderland” (to be fair to you its something that ukranian nationalists do get irritated about when mentioned) nor is it only spoken by commited idelouges and comitted card carrying members of the succesor parties of the oun, stop filling this forum with great russian chauvanist slop
>>2886339If you have to start passing laws promoting the language due to the risk of it just dying out because it’s not spoken by default enough, then that’s not really Russian Chauvinist slop, that’s just revealing the truth without admitting to it.
>>2886347I mean it certentally shows that the relations its former yugoslavia and ukraine has with its socialist past is not really that similar,
>>2886363Isn’t ukranian most stable in like the western regions? Its mostly in the central and eastern regions it saw trouble, its still not really the same as hebrew, a fully constructed language for the porpuse of ethnic cleansing and settler colonialism, at least ukranian lamguage has a history beyond that, unlike hebrew
>>2886378>it certentally shows that the relations its former yugoslavia and ukraine has with its socialist past is not really that similarThere was a video where some anglo freak and his southeast asian rentboy meet a Ukrainian man with a CCCP t-shirt in Odessa then proceed to harass him. I'm sure you can find stores/places that sell CCCP stuff in Ukraine, in Donbas, Odessa, places like that. I've also met communists from Ukraine. Ukraine had ~44M people, now ~21M in Ukraine proper. There are bound to be places where Soviet nostalgia is alive.
>>2886409What does this have to do with EU?
>>2886378>Isn’t ukranian most stable in like the western regions? Its mostly in the central and eastern regions it saw troubleThen there wouldn't be a problem if all of Ukraine was just the Western regions.
>its still not really the same as hebrew, a fully constructed language for the porpuse of ethnic cleansing and settler colonialismit is for the Central and Eastern regions because the enforcement of the Ukrainian language
there serves the same purpose. Ethnostates rise under circumstances where your nationality isn't the majority within borders you lay claim to and desire dominance within, it's the understanding that the majority can and probably will rise against your territorial claims and authority…. unless there's no longer another nation within "your" borders, at least one that doesn't make up the majority anywhere within them.
>at least ukranian lamguage has a history beyond thatWhether that's true or not, it's an irrelevance if it's not part of the history of the people you're forcing to speak it. Native Americans speak English, that doesn't mean the circumstances of how that came to be
wasn't colonialism because English developed naturally elsewhere.
And make no mistake, the Ukrainian language laws aren't intended as a peaceful, humanitarian attempt to integrate people into the Ukrainian nation, it is cultural genocide as evidenced by the fact the situation got very violent against civilians as soon as Eastern Ukrainians refused to be governed by Banderites and did the obvious for a majority governed by a minority and seceded.
It's also why the Banderites took shots at the Euromaidan protesters and basically have buried ambitions for EU membership under demands to join NATO. Why would Banderites want to join the EU and weaken the border between Poland and Western Ukraine?
Although unlikely, you can imagine their fear of everyone in Western Ukraine pissing off to other countries in the EU for the better economy while Poles move back into to Lvov for the now cheap housing that former Ukrainians have abandoned.
>>2886459>the Ukrainian language laws aren't intended as a peaceful, humanitarian attempt to integrate people into the Ukrainian nation, it is cultural genocideWhile banning of Russian in schools and as a recognised language in Ukraine got the most attention, Ukraine also banned Romanian and Hungarian. Ukraine even considered switching to the latin alphabet, cause cyrillic is evil Russian symbols, and they're using English more and more, in anticipation of integration with the EU market.
>>2886474It's all for nothing anyway because even in the best case scenario for Ukrainian nationalists now, they'll need to depend on immigration to make up the losses in manpower and the chances of anyone immigrating to Ukraine and learning Ukrainian is basically naught.
Perhaps English is decreed a super duper important language for Ukrainians to learn in anticipation of fabulous economic opportunities with the wider world, or it's because it's now Ukraine's destiny for neither Ukrainian nor Russian to be majority languages, but everyone speaking varying levels of broken English to each other.
Like check this out
>The UK has already flirted with the idea of deporting all asylum seekers to Rwanda for cash
>Europe is awash with far-right parties campaigning to "clean" their demographics
>Ukraine will be in need of both money and labour to rebuild
>Ukraine is still technically in Europe so it's not like Western Europe would "really" be deporting them
I do think we will be seeing the case made that a de-populated Ukraine is the perfect solution to Europe's supposed overpopulation.
>>2886263That's one reason I support Russia. After this war is over, all the Nazis Russia doesn't kill are going to flood west and are going to become anti-prole shock troops for the US/EU. Every dead banderite is going to save prole lives later.
>>2886409ukrainians are gonna do terror attacks, that's all.
>>2886633When it happens, I will be making much use of the phrase “don’t look away.” with certain people online.
>>2886591Remember, there would be no Freikorps, if they were too busy being dead.
>>2886409Ukrainian messaging is a careful balancing act between performative victimhood, military triumphalism and prepping a stabbed in the back narrative.
>>2886874
>the regions most affected by the famine
>which the right-wingers inflicted deliberately by trying to sabotage collectivization
>are the most pro-Russia and Russian speaking
>most Ukrainian nationalism is in the West, in territories held previously by Poland
>Stalin's fault
More like Pilsudski's lmao
>Die Zeit: German police have arrested a 33-year-old Ukrainian man on suspicion of espionage with the intent to carry out a terrorist attack.
>According to law enforcement agencies, the man was acting on behalf of a foreign intelligence service. He took pictures of the grounds of a Bavarian defense company and passed them on to his client.
>It is believed that the photographs could have been used to prepare sabotage operations.the bavarian police issued the statement:
https://www.polizei.bayern.de/aktuelles/pressemitteilungen/106820/index.html>>2886634starting soon.
>>2887038description:
>In Chernigov, a life hack has been discovered for protecting gas stations from Russian drones – they've begun covering them with anti-drone nets.MORE:
>An enterprising Kharkov resident sold his fellow citizens exemptions from mobilization for 100,000 hryvnias.
>The man posed as an employee of the regional State Emergency Service. He promised to arrange for the conscript to serve with an official exemption and a rescue uniform.these events happen so many times a week, I tend to ignore them. what it surprises me is that it's very expensive the toll this guy was asking. usually it doesn't go above $500, this is $2200.
>Forbes (UA): Since July 2026, the Russian Armed Forces have destroyed over 400,000 square meters of warehouses and logistics facilities in Ukraine.
>The targets included facilities of Fozzy Group, Rozetka, Epicenter, Nova Poshta, Novus, Puma, Toyota Ukraine, Liqui Moly, MTI Group, and dozens of other companies.https://forbes.ua/company/vzaemne-znishchennya-ekonomik-fozzy-group-rozetka-epitsentr-nova-poshta-pid-rosiyskimi-obstrilami-yak-kompanii-planuyut-zakhistiti-tovari-partneriv-i-spozhivachiv-06082026-41020this is much more effective than actual us directed sanctions, tbqfh.
>Zelensky has 12 days to voluntarily restore Fedorov's post as Ukraine's Minister of Defense.
>The former Defense Minister himself stated this in an interview with his former adviser, Sternenko.
>If our goal is to stop the war, then we are fighting for me to have the authority to do so as Minister of Defense. We have a deadline at which we will determine whether this has been successful. The deadline for appointing the Minister of Defense is August 18, when the Rada convenes, Fedorov said.
holly shit, lol, lmao even. the guy's threatening zelya.
well, in fact, it's well known that the rada needs to confirm the appointments and all the cabinets shuffles he did, but rada the went into recess on July 17, which zelya seized the opportunity to make all the shuffles.
but:
>how does fedorov know he has such a power in the rada
>the rada is controlled by zelya's party
>is there a treason concocting in behind curtains?
PS: Sternenko, very well known banderite from right sektor.
>Financial Times: The European Union doesn't want to admit Ukraine because of its high level of corruption.
>We can't admit a country with a population of 40 million, which ranks 104th in the global corruption index, into the EU. That would turn the entire project into a farce. But we also can't abandon them to their fate. It's obvious to everyone that Ukraine will need something from us., reads the text.
>Ukraine is asking the European Union for €220 million in non-repayable aid for farmers.
>The Ministry of Agrarian Policy has asked the European Commission to allocate funds to compensate interest on loans to small and medium-sized agricultural producers. The funds are planned to be distributed through the "Affordable Loans 5-7-9%" program.
GIVAS
>Romania no longer has the money to financially support Ukraine.
>This was stated by opposition MP Dan Dungaciu. According to him, the country is facing a funding shortage and economic problems.
>He added: Romania will not block any European aid, but it will not be able to offer its own without reason.
>>2887050LMAO>A police report for petty hooliganism was filed against the mother of a soldier who was beaten for speaking Russian in Lvovhttps://ua.news/en/ukraine/u-lvovi-pobili-matir-viiskovogo-cherez-rosiisku-movuyou will not speak Russian in Lvov, and if you do and get assaulted, you are going to be accused of hooliganism.
>>2887048Fedorov is using his leverage to get a well-paying position. He'll become something like "drone ambassador" or whatever position they invent for him to shut him up. That or he'll be killed by Zelenskyy's goons, although both might happen anyway.
>>2887055ACAB
>>2887061Literal paid opposition so that NAFOids can say "look! Ukraine is a thriving democracy where people are allowed to protest!"
>>2887083Selling something doesn't mean immediate delivery. The US has no extra PAC-2/3s to deliver at the moment. These countries are paying for interceptors that are yet to be produced.
>>2887051UA representatives are already involved in all sorts of public, private, non-profit and commercial associations and institutions within the EU/EFTA area and corruption is NOT a problem for bourgeois EUrocrat cucks at all, which is in fact a big problem and one of the reasons why the EU sucks so much. After Cucktin concluded his SMO it's unfortunately only a question of time when banderite rump UA is admitted to officially join the round table of bourgeois cucks in Brussels, they might even get an accelerated integration process.
>>2887103
>Fedorov is using his leverage to get a well-paying positionthe question is, who's backing him up.
>He'll become something like "drone ambassador"he seems to be too confident that he's getting back his defense minister position, though.
>Literal paid opposition so that NAFOidthey pose no threat to the state.
>Selling something doesn't mean immediate delivery.yeah, but still, they got priority over ukraine, which is hilarious because I can see zelya meeting all of the other ex-'us key allies' soon.
>>2887157>the question is, who's backing him up.Peter Thiel and Palantir
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2026/01/21/ukraine-feeds-sensitive-military-data-to-palantir-ai-for-training/https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/prezident-ukrayini-ta-seo-palantir-obgovorili-spivpracyu-v-s-75541https://www.sgtreport.com/2023/10/how-peter-thiel-linked-tech-is-fueling-the-ukraine-war/>he seems to be too confident that he's getting back his defense minister position, though.He is negotiating, he has to start high.
>they pose no threat to the state.Of course not, they're paid opposition. They've been "protesting" for three weeks now. Compare that to the protests against TCC that get shut down quickly..
>yeah, but still, they got priority over ukrainePayibg customers do. Those paid contracts allow them to justify expanding production. Shareholders wouldn't appreciate spending money to give stuff away for free.
>>2887206>Of course not, they're paid opposition. They've been "protesting" for three weeks now. Compare that to the protests against TCC that get shut down quickly..worth noting apparently a large part of them is working in the various NGO soft power glowops from EU, which give them salary, political protection, and immunity to mobilization
so yeah, literally paid
>>2887357Proletarian hatred from the state. Typical.
give it to me straight, its over, Ukraine will never collapse despite the shitposting about it here from the Russia pros, right?
>>2887415>Ukraine will never collapseUkraine is fucked, and that’s not even factoring in climate change
>>2887464it hits him hard because he very well realizes he could have also talked about Serbs if this was 28 years ago.
>>2887477Even though they thought of Slavs as subhuman, in official Nazi propaganda they said it was the Judeo-Bolsheviks that enslaved the Russian peoples.
Contemprary German journalists and intellectuals seldom make this distinction anymore
>>2887486It's funny how the advent of Internet and mass communication led to the rise of hatred.
>>2887487Anonymity has that effect on people.
>>2887802Worry not! The Epsteinites in the west are working overtime to ban anonymity online.
In order to
protect children from the harmful, but profitable, business model
that they have made into a media monopoly. And of course, to protect children from pedophiles
other than Epsteinites themselves. The rich and powerful ought to be above any law for the sake of liberal democracy (no lie here).
>>2884231>fake national identityWhat is it that separates a real national identity and a fake national identity?
>>2887847Europe has always been fascist, you just never noticed before.
>>2887850The point flew right over your head you illiterate retard. I was talking about them being openly fascist, not whether the label fits.
>>2886096I hope Russia has a revolution
>>2887855Doesnt seem so far fetched at this point.
>>2887854Europe has always been openly fascist, you just never noticed before…or didn't want to.
>>2887484He literally couldn't give less of a shit about that. It hit him because it's an embarrassing demystification of his practically NATO allied politics in front of the mostly Russian sympathetic Serbian audience on live TV.
>>2887850>>2887871from operation gladio to nato generals being 'ex'-nazis, europe never fully renounced to nazim.
>>2887933Russia ate my homework
>>2885483> Because they’re geopolitically Marxist LeninistCLOSE THE SITE
>>2887872Are serbs still mostly russian friendly or its over and they larp as europeans?
>>2887871No, they did really not. They loved pretending they weren't fascist for a while while doing fascism
>>2887933have we passed the "40 day force Russia to peace" deadline?
>>2887464>>2887477>Fascism is when you kill Russians and the more Russians you kill the more Fascism is present, even though Fascist regimes also killed Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Czechs, British, Americans, Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah Witnesses, Chinese, Koreans, etc. and was by no means limited to killing Russians alone Notice how the Marxist class understanding of Fascism from the Soviet era has been substituted for an ethnicity-based understanding of Fascism as the Russian government continues to erode the brains of their citizenry.
>The owner of the Turkish bulk carrier MV Reyhan Sarı has filed a lawsuit against Ukraine in the International Criminal Court in The Hague, HaberDenizde reports.
>The statement states that Ukraine's attack on his vessel can be qualified as a crime against humanity.
>Ukrainian drones attacked the ship, which was carrying a cargo of coal, on July 22 off Novorossiysk.
>>2888871you are confusing fascism with nazim
ethno supremacist fascism (favoring 'aryans' or germans) = nazism
ethno supremacist fascism (favoring israelis) = zionism
etc.
fascist in italy were not concerned about ethnosupremacism, they were concerned about killing people, any people, that were a threat to the italian state, because for fascists the importance was the supremacy of the state, for ethnosupremacist the importance is the supremacy of a "race" (as in ethnic group).
well, strana is asking more questions about the 'Mindich tapes', after three months of its release.
picrels from vidrel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neYVUCDg100
>During the ukrainska pravda, the investigative journal met some name figures with whistleblowers denouncing corruption within the ukrainian government.according to strana.
>The SAPO declined to answer the question of who "Vova" from the "Mindich tapes" is.
>Klymenko stated that the SAPO did not release these tapes.
>It is worth noting that the tapes were published by the media. In one segment, a certain Natalia—with whom Mindich discusses the construction of houses in the "Dynasty" cooperative—says: "He laid the foundation between you and Vova; the fence has already been concreted in."
>According to the prevailing theory, Mindich was building houses for himself, Yermak, Chernyshov, and Zelensky (Vova, also known as "R1" in the NABU tapes.back in may theorized who's doing the nabo push against zelya:
>In short, the shells are landing dangerously close to the president. The question remains: who is directing such targeted fire, and for what purpose?
>There are two main theories regarding this.The first—and most widely circulated yesterday—is that Trump is pressuring Zelensky to meet the "Anchorage" conditions: specifically, the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from the Donetsk region, among other things. This theory is popular because it aligns with a host of parallel events: Kremlin statements conditioning the war's end on a Ukrainian troop withdrawal from the Donbas; Putin’s claim that the war is nearing its conclusion; media reports that Trump plans to ramp up pressure on Kyev; and an interview given just yesterday by Mendel, in which she alleged that Zelensky is a drug addict.
>This theory appeals to those who want a swift end to the war and believe the main obstacle is Zelensky’s refusal to withdraw troops from the Donbas. It also suits Zelensky himself and his "Family," as they can build a defense strategy around it—arguing, in essence, that "criminal cases are being used to coerce us into surrendering our native land."
>However, there is a second theory. According to this view, the offensive against Zelensky and his inner circle is being orchestrated by Europe and US Democratic Party-linked entities—specifically, individuals and organizations (such as grant-funded groups, key NABU and SAP officials, and various politicians and media outlets) that shifted to EU and British patronage last year. Under this theory, the goal of the pressure campaign is not to "force Zelensky to make peace," but to compel him to meet EU demands regarding the adoption of a specific list of laws. These laws would effectively strip the president of control over the law enforcement and judicial systems by introducing personnel selection processes where "international experts" hold the decisive vote. This would effectively result in Zelensky losing crucial levers of influence over the country's internal processes, turning him into a figurehead—akin to the British monarch.
>There are quite a few indirect signs pointing to this scenario. For instance, consider the parties the NABU first notified about the procedural actions being taken against Yermak: media outlets and politicians linked to the "grant-funded sector" (specifically, Tomash Fiala’s *Ukrayinska Pravda*, whose journalists were present at the scene).>>2888928Basically if this is true it's simply a confirmation that the US isnt even trying and still has Russia bogged down, Iran getting destroyed, Syria already theirs, Gaza swept out, Venezuela and rest of latin america like a nice garden, cuba soon to be followed and china on cross hairs.
Can you imagine them actually putting a bit of effort?
>The German Brigade in Lithuania Will Be the Best-Equipped Part of the Entire Bundeswehrhttps://balticsentinel.eu/8523214/interview-nico-lange-the-german-brigade-in-lithuania-will-be-the-best-equipped-part-of-the-entire-bundeswehrIf you want the Baltic states, you have to fight Germany.
>>2888993It’s not true, you can give a license for production that precludes export, either as donations or sales competing with the original designer.
>>2888928>Hogging the patented murder production system because Ukraine might make it betterI highly doubt Ukraine could manufacture anything very well right now regardless. Assholes all around
>>2888993>Iran destroyedIran won the war and is currently in the post war phase of negotiating the new power structure with the rest of the Gulf states without engaging with the USA at all
>Syria belongs to the USANot really. It's just a failed state that everyone has their fingers in.
>>2888880you do realize this is going to happen to russia next, right?
>>2888993>still has Russia bogged downRussia arguably isn't trying either since they still haven't undergone a general mobilization. It's moot though since the real obstacle in Ukraine is drones more than anything else, and most of these are produced locally.
>Iran getting destroyedLmao no, quite the opposite actually. All evidence points to the US having no leverage over Iran while the Iranians have wiped out most of the local American assets and can strangle Hormuz indefinitely.
At any rate you're missing the point entirely. It's not a question of willpower but structural capabilities stemming from relations of production. The US can't simply increase production (even though this is technically possible) because the American MIC relies on everything being extremely complicated and expensive to remain profitable. Actually cost effective mass production would collapse their arms industry.
Ive said it before, I'll say it again. The Russians support fascist parties in EU countries. It makes no sense to come here and defend Russia unless political ideology is not actually your priprity but instead some kind of nationalist grudge.
>>2889286That's because Russia doesn't understand all the fascist parties in Europe have been infiltrated and ran by former atlantist club goers, so they are pro-usa by default on any position, no matter how much money you put into them, they also hype up anti-europeanism until they get elected, then von der leyen is their best friend.
Might as well give ME the money Vladimir.
>>2889350Originally Russia, via RT, Sputnik and their consulates and embassies, tried to court the Western anti-war, anti-American left. However the left turned more and more hostile to Russia, as tensions with the latter increased, and most leftists were scared about their good imagine to appear in Russian media and with Russian officials.
Right-wing populists were never shy to do that, didn't care about political correctness and therefore Russian outreach noticed and that they have far more success with influencing the European right, when the mainstream left is not even against NATO.
>>2889256I thought the drone swarms were aiming refineries 🤷♂️
I guess they didn't work.
>>2889374>However the left turnednot in Spanish. Lat-Am RT in Spanish is full of left-wing figures. but I think RT has learned their lessons dealing with the 'alt-right' like loomer.
>>2888993So, when will USA start trying?
USA is like that child prodigy who peaked in high school and failed at life, lmao, when everyone had moved forward, their whole personality is centered around what they could have been if only they applied themselves, but they never do.
>>2889439That's more or less the way that's always been, RT South America is left wing, RT in English is reactionary/right wing.
>>2888993Did they put a bit of effort into Korea, Pig's bay, Vietnam, Afghanistan?
>>2889439The same was true for English RT prior to Trump's first presidency. They use to have a lot of left-wing figures on it due to them being anti-war and anti-expansionist, but they lost out to MAGA because their figures were explicitly saying the US and Russia should be allies and together take over the world!
>>2889480>USA is like that child prodigy who peaked in high school and failed at life, lmaoAl Bundy. He scored four touchdowns in a single game.
>>2889286>Ive said it before, I'll say it again. The Russians support fascist parties in EU countries. It makes no sense to come here and defend Russia unless political ideology is not actually your priprity but instead some kind of nationalist grudge.They do and then people will say, but RT in Spanish messages to the left. That's still just messaging though. What Russia actually has is a quite weak, completely deinstutionalized and non-ideological authoritarianism, which is also very personalistic. So a lot of what people have done is project a lot of stuff onto an ideal Putin. The Anglo right used to do this a lot. They wanted to believed there was a man with a plan to defeat "globohomo" and that this man would be Putin, and then they got emotionally invested. Except that there never was any plan and he's not the guy. You have to give Putin credit on the man-of-action presentation though.
China funny enough has the opposite problem for Western audiences its self-presentation is subpar, but China also has elaborate political institutions (not all authortarianism are the same based things BTW), is an inheritor of a quite unique political tradition as ML is, and has a far more coherent attitude towards its past and is own nationalism. That's just my opinion though.
>>2888167I'd say the majority is Russian friendly here or at the very least, fairly neutral on the Ukrainian conflict. Anti-NATO sentiment is still in the majority. But the politics are fairly in line with any imperialist bloc country (and under Vučić, have steadily becoming more so in the past years) with some sheepish leeway to feign economic neutrality.
On the up side, there was an embarrassing attempt to organize a pro-EU demonstration in Belgrade a month or two ago. About 30 people showed up tops. Most of them from the NGO and EU aligned sectors.
>>2889522>>2889286The fly in the ointment of this narrative that Russia "supports" fascists parties in the EU is that it's not on ideological grounds.
Most of these parties indeed do what Gay Nazi suggests and really embrace the strongman projection the West has for Putin and, in admiring that, advocate for dropping hostilities with Russia and in fact building ties with them.
I can appreciate the pragmatism in that, especially since the left-wing figures that Russia/RT previously signal boosted while they were espousing the belief that conflict between NATO and Russia ought to be avoided were completely ignored in their home countries and then they themselves went balls to the wall pro-war in 2022 anyway.
I feel this "The Russians support fascist parties in EU countries" take is therefore just passing the buck. Once again, rather than confronting the fact the left in the west (let alone an anti-NATO left) is a complete irrelevance politically, it's easier to Russiagate it and suggest Anti-NATOism is an irrelevant policy for Moscow and that Russia will signalboost and support parties that say "Britain for the British!" or "Germany for the Germans!" out of ideological alignment, when actually "Russia for the Russians!" is something Moscow obviously wishes to avoid, given its size is due to its constituent nationalities and the ethnic conflicts they've been tangling with since the 90s.
Otherwise, we're suggesting that Putin and Gunther are agreed that the Russian Federation needs to have an ultimate ethnic showdown to destroy the Federation and instead have a load of small ethnostates, some of whom will inherit nuclear weapons.
>>2889528lmao, that protest literally looks worse than the communist party in my small country can do
>>2889533>they themselves went balls to the wall pro-war in 2022 anyway.That's because they didn't expect Putin to go full retard and invade other countries. People like Abby Martin are consistently anti-war. If they defect from the West because the West bombs Arabs they sure as hell are not going to get on board the Z-train when Putin starts bombing Ukrainians.
>>2889611If the point being made, and I believe it was, that NATO expansion towards Russia was the West driving the world to war, then it doesn’t follow to then become incredibly pro-war when that prediction comes true.
The only reason for the sudden pivot on Ukraine is simply avoiding going from irrelevant to ostracised.
>>2889533>>2889522>Most of these parties indeed do what Gay Nazi suggests and really embrace the strongman projection the West has for Putin and, in admiring that, advocate for dropping hostilities with Russia and in fact building ties with them. It's not even that. It's literally just about contrarianism. AfD and Trump and the MAGA movement(pre 2026) were pro-Russia anti Ukraine war simply for the reason that the liberals were for it. Literally the only reason. AfD pretends to be anti militarism and anti rearmament simply because that is what their opposition who are power are for right now. Just like Trump was the peace candidate and MAGA was anti-war and isolationist before Trump got into office. It's just something to attack the opposition who is in power with.
>>2889616To add: I think the biggest mistake in analyzing politics is believing that any of these parties have any principles or represent some ideological position at all. People get whiplashed again and again and never learn.
>I thought this party was pro-immigration<I thought this party was anti-immigrationand on and on.
>>2889616I think for MAGA specifically, any Anti-NATO and Anti-Ukraine sentiment was down to a general lolbert hatred of charitable causes and the prior bi-partisan narrative that billions must be spent on NATO/Ukraine as a charitable cause.
It’s identical to the desire to cut USAID and motivation to create DOGE. Trump has been able to flip the script on Ukraine at least by essentially calling Zelensky entitled on camera and getting him to sign away all of Ukraine’s resources, now MAGA is pro-Ukraine (or more accurately, pro-Exploiting Ukraine).
>>2889620I mean it’s even a stretch to accept that Russia does in fact support any party in the EU, in the absence of any actual evidence being provided, it’s just standard Russiagate shit where if ANYTHING is said that isn’t pushing for all out conflict with Russia then it must be a result of Russian glowies and fat envelopes changing hands.
Again, something the entire pro-Ukrainian doxxing circuit was set up to prove, then failed to reveal much and just became about outing pro-Russian twitter accounts as not being Russian or having any particular conflict of interest in supporting Russia.
>>2889622>>2889625Well for one, I wasn't talking about Russia supporting any party or anyone. Yeah Russiagate was all bullshit from the get go. RT has no ideological line whatsoever past anything that is anti-wars they are involved in, anti-wars America is involved in, anti-American, anti-Western. It's always been completely schizophrenic and continues to be. They'll push/amplify content about how racist the West is and how they victimize minorities and then an hour later push content about whatever new right-wing scare about Somalians or Haitians eating dogs or whatever. But Russiagate was bullshit because Russia simply doesn't have influence in the USA or West in general at all. RT is nothing. So even if Russia was trying to support this or that party or politician it doesn't matter because they have no ability to.
So the real question is why this group or that group is more Russian friendly or not. Most of the time it's just about pure contrarianism. With Trump and MAGA it was more of a vendetta but also contrarianism. The libs have been using this Ukraine thing and Russiagate of course as an attack vector against him since his first term. That's even what his first impeachment was for. So yeah, of course he's going to carry a grudge. Larry Loomer even said it very straight forward in her recent interview with Zelensky:
>I'm just trying I'm just trying to convey to you how sometimes optics if things are not done in a very precise manner how it can be conveyed and how much damage can be done to your country's image if because the Democrats I think they really exploited your visit.But also the contrarianism like I said because it's useful rhetoric when you're not in power to go: "Look at all the money Biden is sending to Ukraine!" Then he campaigns on "I'm going to end this war day one!" But once in power the same dynamics that face Biden, face him. Neither Ukraine and Russia are going to fold for the "greatest deal maker of all time!" So he ends up just doing the same policy of arming Ukraine to try and force Russia to capitulate.
>>2889533>The fly in the ointment of this narrative that Russia "supports" fascists parties in the EU is that it's not on ideological grounds. Yeah I've never asserted that Russia is fascist. Now I don't like the Russian government and am upfront about that, but I think it's just a category error. There are also Russian politicians talking about fighting a sacred battle against Satanism and stuff but it's like c'mon they don't actually believe that. It's a meme salad. This is something a lot of Russian nationalists themselves say BTW, like the Russian government is just this procrastinating and cretinous entity without any great commitments, promotes a lot of weird people. Now those nationalists can actively want total war and the complete mobilization of Russian society to that end, which would not be good, but I think you're seeing the point here.
I think this is true to greater and lesser degrees in other countries BTW, but the way I think about a lot of stuff these days is that a lot of what people are doing doesn't makes any sense, so stuff just happens. There are Westerners who have moved to Russia for ideological reasons but they're the weird ones. Russians want to move some place where it's warmer (which is not a bad reason). But there's also a Russian word I learned, "pofigism," which probably translates into English as "the subtle art of not giving a fuck." That's not really an ideology, it's more of an attitude. But the Westerner moves there because he's expecting it to be a continent-sized fundamentalist Mormon compound lmao
>>2889625>it’s just standard Russiagate shit … just became about outing pro-Russian twitter accounts as not being Russian or having any particular conflict of interest in supporting Russia.Well there's that too. But I also think if someone really doesn't like right-wing Putinfags in Germany or the U.S., is the issue really the Russian propaganda targeting them? Or is the issue just them being retarded?
>>2889632Yeah, fair enough.
>>2889632>ClipI kinda love Zelensky for that one that one.
>Loomer: Please say you love Trump, please say Trump is amazing.<Zelensky: Can I be honest, like can I keep it 💯 with you? Fuck Donald Trump, I wish Kamala won>Loomer: nooooo we don't want that <Zelensky: I just make joke I am comedian 😂>Loomer: Who is better Trump or Biden? Is Trump the greatest president of all time?<Zelensky: Are you fucking pulling my leg? 😂 >>2889633Tbh the discussion is very Western-centric because in an era of unipolarity and interventionism, it's basically expected that anyone with any kind of power (no matter how localised) ought to be fucking with the politics of other countries as the West does.
So we endlessly hear about how Russia is fascist because it MUST be throwing it's "soft-power" behind the rise of the alt-right in Europe, and China is a traitor to the global communist movement because obviously it could be intervening all over the world but is simply choosing not to.
>"the subtle art of not giving a fuck." I think is probably the prevailing attitude for countries that haven't had interventionism as their primary "national" mission for the past 30 years.
>There are Westerners who have moved to Russia for ideological reasons but they're the weird ones.And that is cringe, tbh it's kind of a weird reason to want to attract people to your country anyway.
>Why did you move to Russia? An appreciation for the culture, art, history, language, etc?<Nah we just agree on hating queersI just don't think jumping the metaphorical Berlin Wall to the East here carries the same level of sympathy from anyone, surely.
>>2889635>Zelensky, in an unscripted interview, claims that the best US president was Lincoln<Ziggers really try to pretend this guy is a Fascist rather than a milquetoast Libtard who reads the New York Timeslol
>>2889644It’s so milquetoast as to be essentially a non-answer, either Lincoln or Washington are answers that neither requires explanation nor is likely to ruffle many feathers.
Like fuck me, how is
>welp thread, I’m easily pleased
a point that was at all worth making?
>>2889646I bet Putin would have answered Reagan because he loves capitalism.
>>2889649Yeah Putin loooooves capitalism so much he’s nationalized most relevant industries
Retard
>>2889644>>2889646Here's the rest of that answer after the clip ends. The comedic timing is too perfect.
>Who is the president of the United States? Ok here is the real answer because I think that Lincoln. The way he sounded like it was the intro to a sentence about why Lincoln then he just freezes lmao.
<Ok, but after Lincoln who do you think is the best?>Zelensky and all his people start laughing off camera<Because Trump is going to watch this!!!(Please say Trump, please say Trump please say TrumpThen they just awkwardly laugh together because Zman won't say Trump.
>You know I mean, Trump he's he's ok I guess. >>2889649I’ve no doubt that would be his answer, well either Reagan or some obscure US president everyone else has forgotten but probably wrote a nice supportive letter to an equally forgotten Tsar.
The man likes his history lessons after all, he’d fucking relish the chance to spend another two hours teaching one lmao
>>2889654Lmao yeah did they cut it or something? I’ll hand it to Madame Jigsaw though, she didn’t accept that non-answer or perhaps her fanbase don’t appreciate the Emancipation Proclamation.
>>2889656Zizters… Not like this…
>>2889424check how many are left
just like with the wildberry ordeal this will be answered with attacks on petrol stations in russia and resident russians will cry about >muh civilian infrastructure
>>2889671>russians will cry about >muh civilian infrastructureThat was already the case with the refineries, the targeting of petrol stations in Ukraine is retaliation for the refinery strikes and it’s Ukraine currently crying about muh civilian infrastructure.
>>2889677word except it's the other way around, russians started blowing up ukrainian refineries in jan 2024
i look forward to reading your posts this winter which russians will spend without heating
>>2889683>no u<no uUkraine has always done whatever was possible for them to do as soon as it was possible. Even by their own reckoning, everything they do is retaliation for being invaded, so this particular debate is pointless since it’s only Russia that chooses to restrain themselves and it’s only Ukraine that can convince Russia to loosen their restraint.
>>2889686the actual difference betqween them is ukraine only recently got means of retaliation while russia was able to strike ukraine from the beggining however it is severly technologically lacking so most of its strikes fall on commieblocks
>>2889644lincoln is a non answer, its an answer you give when you try to sound non controversial
>>2889691and also seeing this as a positive of a porky political is embarrassing
>>2889689That’s what I said, Ukraine does whatever is possible for them to do so as soon as it becomes possible (usually through western givas).
Ukraine’s flaw is that they’ve gambled on pursuing offensive capabilities near-exclusively in the hopes that eventually one of these peremogas causes political turmoil in Russia, but instead they’re now in a position where they desperately require defensive ordinance against obvious Russian retaliations and there isn’t any.
>>2889700the only flaw of ukraine is that they don't drone commieblocks in tver as a means of retaliation
Like the difference between a refinery and a petrol station is size, if Ukrainian FP-2 drones were as accurate over Russian airspace as Gerans are over Ukrainian airspace then Russian petrol stations would surely be attacked in similar numbers as soon as Russia started total petrol pump death.
But that’s not happening, presumably Ukraine is currently burning the few remaining resources they have trying to devise some way of targeting Russian petrol stations just to retaliate, perhaps it will be drones, perhaps it will car bombs instead, but there is a clear pattern of Ukraine betting the farm on a peremoga and then left scrambling for some kind of defensive strategy when it does little other than make the political case for destroying Ukraine entirely stronger.
at least not for now
>>2889706Oh yes I’ve seen the claims that “unfortunately” Ukraine will “regrettably” have to resort to attacking Russian civilians, instead of enthusiastically with rage over Russians actually having beach parties.
>>2889706Why don’t you go back into your containment thread? There’s a couple of Вырусь there who would love to kiss your ass for being a westerner and supportive of the genocide of Russians
>>2889710i've no idea what you're referring t but i'm sure that when more valuable targets run out strikes on commiblocks will be met with proportional retaliation
>>2889713i don't read bulgarian, sorry
>>2889715Of course you can’t bother to differentiate Cyrillic languages, but don’t worry! It’s a Russian term referring to other Russians who actively support neoliberalism or otherwise the destruction of Russia and her people for any number of made up sins against the golden billion. Best part is faggots will claim it’s a “Nazi slur”…while cheering on the Nazi bandit regime in Kiev! Uh oh!
>>2889519biden systematically forced RT to scrap its presence in the us territory, the result was that they had to pick what audiences to target. unsurprisingly, they chose the largest segment, the segment that elects presidents like trump.
>>2889715You’re really committed to using the word commieblock, aren’t you?
>>2889721all 'cyrilic' script is bulgarian, it was created in bulgaria based on glagolitic script which was created in moravia by st cyril
>>2889724'blocks of flats' just doesn't roll off the tongue while a 'commieblock' is a very specific term for a very specific type of a prefab building that everyone is familiar with
>>2889728It’s an insulting term for people’s homes, like McMansion is pretty catchy as well but anons freak if you use it too much.
>>2889731where i'm from we call 'em gypsy palaces
>>2889732I assume everyone else’s homes are correctly referred to as “gifts from Brussels”?
>>2889734A wise answer, we don’t need you somehow ranting about Mongolian blood again.
>>2889735i am 100% sure we will be disusing russians' ancestry again as soon as someone uses the term >ancestral lands itt
>>2889737>Likes the word commieblock>An obsession with ancestral landsThat’s two, third strike and you’re out
>>2886156>It’s not that the nationality is entirely fake, but its own mythos massively overstates how large “Ukraine” is and how distinct of a nation it is compared to the countries it’s “The Ukraine” of.True, but what bothers me is that "Palestinians are fake" and "Ukrainians are fake" is never an honest critique of nationality and nationalism itself.
>>2889625>I mean it’s even a stretch to accept that Russia does in fact support any party in the EU, in the absence of any actual evidence being providedhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/04/leading-uk-far-right-activist-russian-nationalist-event-mark-colletthttps://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/06/09/the-fight-for-souls-and-minds-alex-jones-george-galloway-errol-musk-and-more-attend-far-right-forum-of-the-future-in-moscow-a89383There's this. But it depends on whether you consider this official support of particular (European) parties. I don't disagree however it's all 'pragmatic'.
>>2889705Will reiterate that whilst bombing petrol stations makes life miserable for front line civilians, it doesn't stop military logistics. Getting rid of (Dnepr) bridges and train locomotives is more effective at that.
>>2889700>Ukraine does whatever is possible for them to do so as soon as it becomes possible (usually through western givas).Difficult to tell, considering how this war unfolded with Ukrainian targets (warehouses, power plants, refineries) being hit first. Seems to me warehouses could've been hit earlier. I think the first reported attack on Moscow was back in 2023?
>>2889744
>no revolution has ever achieved anything as any rule represents the inherent racial traits of its representative nation
Okay I guess we're just doing plain nazism now
>>2889746there's a reason why people chose to live like they do and it is not purely socioeconomic factors
>>2889741>Will reiterate that whilst bombing petrol stations makes life miserable for front line civiliansSure but the Ukrainian government up to Zelensky himself says this is the name of the game when striking refineries and Wildberries, saying something to the effect of “Russian civilians should feel like they’re at war”.
>considering how this war unfolded with Ukrainian targets (warehouses, power plants, refineries) being hit firstIt doesn’t really matter who struck what first, I think not-unreasonably the Ukrainians and their supporters say everything that gets struck in Russia is ultimately retaliation for invasion, it become unreasonable for them to then also want a concurrent narrative that Russian attacks aren’t retaliatory but a pre-emptive strike made because they’re losing and it’s good for Ukraine actually because now it means Ukraine will hit back harder.
As usual, it’s trying to have their cake and eat it to, simultaneously they’re the victims of invasion who will do anything to defend themselves (including suicide bombings), but also they’re gleefully taking the initiative in offensive attacks against Russia because Putin supposedly keeps falling for Ukraine’s well laid escalation traps that Kiev already knows it will win.
The former is logical albeit with an unhinged conclusion, the former is just delusion that requires one to believe that rocking Kiev nightly is the death throes of a wounded Russia on the cusp of collapse because of Ukraine tricking Russia into making strikes on Wildberries allowable via an escalation spiral Ukraine will win… it’s so convoluted I couldn’t provide a simpler description than that.
>>2889737no, in this thread we talk about workers from the Donbas region considered second-class citizens on what was once their own homeland.
>>2889762Even worse
He's some sort of Bulgarian degenerate, im baffled how they never actually payed for their alignment with nazi germany
Theyve been raking in EU gibs for nearly 20 years and are still a bigger shithole than Croatia
>>2889773I thought he was Polish
>>2889744
>historically most direct victims of communism were slight wealthier peasants whom both soviets and chinese had murdered in droves
Based
>>2889746Welcome to /chug/ comrade.
>>2889779It’s not /chug/, as much as some anons project.
>>2889773He said he doesn't read Bulgarian:
>>2889715>i don't read bulgarian, sorry >>2889812>Brethren, let's join in a bloody fight, from the San to the Don>Ne'er shall we allow others to rule in our native land.It’s a comedy, the world we live in.
Whose the people who’ve had their faces scrubbed?
>>2889812If Cucktin keeps going at this speed, Ukrainians will become more and more delusional
>>2889823You make it sound like a good tactic tbh, I don’t think delusion is a good thing for a military.
>>2887083delivery of those missiles are realistically expected a decade away
>>2889825This delusion is killing masses of innocent people, plenty of them Russian or Russian speakers inside Ukraine, and their master race rhetoric in classrooms and kindergartens doesn't sit right with me. Ideally the working class in Ukraine would overthrow this, but how? The government and its military that is becoming more and more unhinged by the week is snatching and torturing ordinary folks off the street now.
>>2889835Perhaps the word you're looking for is "ambitious" then.
>>2889823If russia was sieging Kiev right now the same people would still entertain ideas about a endsieg turnaround. These people are either ideologically so far gone, or so desperate to keep their gravy train going that they will stop at nothing to keep the war going to the bitter end.
>>2889835While regrettable it's not Kremlin's job to rush sending russian soldiers to kill russians to save the people that they were trying to save Donbass and Crimea from.
>>2889822I would call it the 'great copekraine'.
>>2889850>These people are either ideologically so far gone, or so desperate to keep their gravy train going that they will stop at nothing to keep the war going to the bitter end.Going to have to agree with this, the actual delusion Banderites have is that basically everything is a "good" reason to double down on the conflict.
>Russia offers to de-escalate and negotiate: They're weak! Bomb a school!>Russia refuses to de-escalate and negotiate: They think we're weak! Bomb a school!and I know what anons are going to say, "why not kill Zelensky?", well he's not exactly the brains of the operation and he's also put himself in the position where he's created a few political and military enemies but also refuses to step down or really allow any input from anyone not in his private TV industry-origin circle.
Hate to beat the dead horse, but the last time someone hunkered down in their bunker, off their face on drugs, demanding new fronts be opened with armies that don't exist, screaming at his generals for not understanding what he does about the new wunderwaffen that's coming and generally answering "fuck the people and fuck the country" to the question of post-war circumstances, etc, it didn't end well for them. They had to put down their dog.
>>2889638>it's basically expected that anyone with any kind of power (no matter how localised) ought to be fucking with the politics of other countries as the West does.Yeah. Also my position is that the effect is really overstated, but also that rooting the source of the thing as an external force gets the relationship backwards. But this goes both ways, like what people call color revolutions have their root causes internally. In any event if American burger rightoids decided (at least temporarily) that Ukraine must perish because of queers and billions must die, it wasn't Russia that did that, it's because American rightoids are unhinged and get into shouting matches the libs all the time. Also they might be ultimately to blame if you want to argue because they exported this and then Russian boomers picked it up.
I can see anti-gay stuff from Russians, but idk it seems more about just wanting to look tough and own the American NGOs. Like half the Red Army Choir is gay if not 75% gay (because it's a men's choir, duh). Or Alexandrov Ensemble or whatever the proper name for it is. Russia also passes all these anti-gay laws but you know how Russian law works. If the Evangelicals won the culture war in America then Russia would have roaring gay Pride parades in Moscow out of contrarianism.
>I just don't think jumping the metaphorical Berlin Wall to the East here carries the same level of sympathy from anyone, surely.Well also as best as I can tell Russians themselves don't do that as much. Like they move around (quite a lot really) but it's not about some amusing ideology as much. I saw some video of a Russian woman complaining about Crimea going down the tubes because of all these drone strikes, and she's like, where am I supposed to live? Krasnodar? Might as well live in an anthill. Or move back to Moscow and live in some neighborhood and never go outside unless it's within a few block radius… fml… but Crimea… I feel it's so… idk. Like it's warm and scenic in that way.
Even a liberal emigre I talked to (I've talked to a communist one too BTW) who had been in Navalny demonstrations and left after the SMO started didn't really say he left for ideological reasons exactly. He thought the Z stuff was disgusting but he didn't have some meme ideology like these Americans do from the other end.
>>2889864>But this goes both ways, like what people call color revolutions have their root causes internally. That's true but the difference between a load of cars getting torched for a night and protesters storming political buildings with the intent to occupy them until regime change occurs, at least in these unrevolutionary times, appears to be USAID.
>If the Evangelicals won the culture war in America then Russia would have roaring gay Pride parades in Moscow out of contrarianism. Maybe, I agree a lot of the anti-LGBT stuff is probably just abiding by "consensus" with no real strong opinions on it and I do doubt many Russians would be particularly thrilled to understand that's why someone moved to their country.
But I can't agree with the general idea often-espoused on leftypol that the anti-LGBT nature of countries like Russia or other "multipolarista" states are out of contrarianism against Western culture and NGOs.
I think for the politically active that's probably true, but generally I just accept that pro-LGBT sentiment is simply rare in the world at this point in time and most of it is neutrality on the matter, or anti-LGBT but again for the same reason of religion and tradition creating that consensus which, naturally, I expect to eventually disappear as the yoke of imperialism is lifted and development in those regions progresses as history necessitates.
>>2889871>That's true but the difference between a load of cars getting torched for a night and protesters storming political buildings with the intent to occupy them until regime change occurs, at least in these unrevolutionary times, appears to be USAID.I think you're really overstating the ability of USAID to mobilize people to storm political buildings and seize them and get into pitched battles with riot cops in Eastern Europe. Like there are American memes and stuff but Ukrainians did that because they're not pussies like la-la-la Americans liberals in the U.S. State Department.
>Maybe, I agree a lot of the anti-LGBT stuff is probably just abiding by "consensus" with no real strong opinions on it … but again for the same reason of religion and tradition creating that consensus Peer pressure. Also it's generational, like it's a boomer attitude where you like Stalin and don't like gay people. I really don't think it's religion because Russians for the most part are not religious unless they're Muslim. Not to say there's not a spiritual-inclined segment of the population but there's a lot of churn there. The whole former Eastern Bloc with maybe the exception of Poland doesn't really have an American-style religious conservative movement as best as I can tell. It's all very secular. The first LGBT team sent to Eurovision was Russian. Really there's just not really strong committment to any of this stuff. Like what "traditions" are we talking about. Russia is a bastard federation with a half-dozen different ones (which means no true one) and is also a very urban, very educated, quite feminist, atheistic middle-income country. You can order food from the app anywhere. Something like 50%+ of the economy is dominated by services. Putinism is on some perverted space monkeys with blasters shit because of memes.
>>2889907I have more in mind the semi-recent protests in Georgia, where a law that was to make people who receive significant foreign funding (I.e USAID) register as foreign agents, was decried as an alien, "Russian" law (despite the US also having this law) and ended up with protests trying to occupy political buildings in support of a French woman who seemed to be trying to take control.
In that case, I've no doubt that Georgians have legit issues with their government, that's par for the course with bourgeois governments, but it's rare that such circumstances just come to be so neatly.
The problem is that in most other places where there's much dissatisfaction with the government, the people are usually at each other's throats over what should be done, there isn't often a nice little packaged revolution against policy that fucks with US interests and a revolutionary leader from NATO to rally behind.
>>2889907>Russia is a bastard federation with a half-dozen different ones (which means no true one) and is also a very urban, very educated, quite feminist, atheistic middle-income country. You can order food from the app anywhere. Something like 50%+ of the economy is dominated by services. Putinism is on some perverted space monkeys with blasters shit because of memes.I'm going to have to plead ignorance there chief, I've been to Moscow which was very cosmopolitan and therefore I'd be inclined to agree but then as so many online would hasten to remind me, that's not all of Russia.
Like it's basically a strawman argument when it's suggested that the accusation of some protest being a Colour Revolution is the accusation that all was fine in that society until the US decided to manufacture mass hysteria there with their massive amounts of money.
That, in fact, is called Sanctions.
>>2889918Yeah there's provincial Russia and Moscow / St. Pete Russia but I'm not at all convinced there's some magical trad civilizational Russian culture that is more than a hallucination in the minds of boomers and internet posters. It's not the actual Russian culture that exists at the moment. It's more a lot of rap music and weeb memes because Russia (like the rest of the world) is undergoing tectonic shifts in cultural consumption. This one is a banger.
Back on this ideology stuff though. Like I don't live there yeah, but you read about people getting visited by the cops for either being too gay or too anti-gay, pro-Ukraine or anti-Ukraine, too fascist or too anti-fascist, too feminist or anti-fascist, too pro-war or too anti-war, too pro-Muslim or too anti-Muslim. That's some radical centrism. Jail for all ideology havers. Millions must learn not to have political opinions.
>>2889925>Millions must learn not to have political opinions.Basically like anywhere else then really
>>2889925>Back on this ideology stuff though. Like I don't live there yeah, but you read about people getting visited by the cops for either being too gay or too anti-gay, pro-Ukraine or anti-Ukraine, too fascist or too anti-fascist, too feminist or anti-fascist, too pro-war or too anti-war, too pro-Muslim or too anti-Muslim. That's some radical centrism. Jail for all ideology havers. Millions must learn not to have political opinions.Sounds like a effective anti-idpol, anti-spook policy. Communism is the true center and Russia is following the old path.
>On August 10, 2026, a Ukrainian court sentenced Bogdan Syrotiuk, a 27-year-old Trotskyist and opponent of the US-NATO war against Russia, to 15 years in prison on charges of “high treason” under martial law. The court also ordered the confiscation of his property and the destruction of the program, brochures and leaflets of his organization, the Young Guard of Bolshevik-Leninists (YGBL).https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/freebogdan.htmlhttps://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/08/12/xkkq-a12.htmlHe was arrested on April 25th last year and Ukraine blocked the WSWS at the same time.
https://www.racket.news/p/ukraine-detains-socialist-writer
<The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasbourg has accepted the case of Bogdan Syrotiuk.>Syrotiuk’s lawyers have based their complaint on the fact that Syrotiuk’s arrest on April 25, 2024 was in violation of his basic right to liberty. They argue that Bogdan, who was 25 and in poor health at the time of his arrest, at no point constituted a danger to society, had no prior criminal record, and was arrested purely for the expression of his political beliefs.https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/07/23/hvhq-j23.html >>2890120saw the reddit comments on this, kill every redditor
New invisible mass mobilisation ‘bouta drop in Russia, just after the elections apparently, Ukraine kindly requests that all Russians panic immediately.
>>2890184>hE dEsErVeD iT!!But if someone in the US went to jail for criticizing Trump they would lose their shit. Ukraine can do no wrong.
>Roger Waters calls for release of Ukrainian Trotskyist Bogdan Syrotiukhttps://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/05/09/qeli-m09.htmlWestern media isn't going to cover this at all, and if they do, they'll call him pro-Russian, which will justify whatever happens to him in the heads of their readers.
>>2890195I do rate Rodger Waters, he’s probably the only anti-war celebrity that remains anti-war long after everyone’s pussed out over being asked
>So you SUPPORT Assad gassing civilians do you? Hmmm!? Eh!? >Almost 70% of Poles support a bill to deport unemployed Ukrainians from Poland so they can fight in Russia, according to the newspaper Rzeczpospolita.
>The idea of deporting Ukrainians was put forward by President Nawrocki's Law and Justice party.
I can't see how they won't turn this into a nightmare for ukraininians in poland: work discrimination actively pursued by poles, will make many ukranians unemployed.
at some point, many will regret leaving to poland, instead of Russia.
>>2890184>>2890120that's why I ask to the stupid person that lives in lvov and comes to post here to show me if he can wave the communist flag while spitting the face of bandera in any of the bandera plazas and bandera squares in lvov.
but of course, 'it's the same shithole as Russia' won't do it.
>Clash Report: Ukraine paid over 11 billion hryvnias for weapons that never reached the front.
>The Defense Procurement Agency's overdue debt in January 2026 was 45.8 billion hryvnias. The Ministry of Defense attributes the increase to contract expirations and damage to defense enterprises.
>By July, the debt had been reduced threefold to 14.6 billion hryvnias, but 11.2 billion hryvnias remain frozen in legal disputes.
the contrast of ukraine in two videos.
in one, a man is sitting on a bench, yells at the tcc that he has a heart condition, he can't be mobilized.
the surprising event is that a very young kid, maybe in his 11s, 10s, 12s? throws an object at one of the tcc's face, correctly landing a hit.
the second, a kid is disguised as a tcc, because it's fun. boasts that he has captured '10 people'.
the contradictions for whatever is left in ukraine in the future, or what I call copekraine, are going to be catastrophic, if not the end of whatever remains.
>>2890246
Would that be true without the EU I wonder? Would it be if Russia wasn’t perpetually sanctioned to one degree or another?
>>2890246
poland is economically imperialist and russia isn't so that would make sense
>>2890252
In 2010 Poland was already integrated in the Western imperialist bloc and Russia was already its target.
>>2890256>In 1980 Poland was already integrated in the Western imperialist bloc ftfy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_(Polish_trade_union) >>2890334Does this count those who were and are in donbass, Crimea, etc?
>>2890207>>2890209>>2890243War Forever mindset. It's the new meme.
Abundance? Never.
War? Forever.
I'm thinking of fleeing the US to Russia. Can I live a nice life there with my trans girlfriend?
Zelenskyy Asks South Korea for Air Defense as Ukraine Warns of 50,000 More North Korean Troops in Russiahttps://www.ibtimes.sg/zelenskyy-asks-south-korea-air-defense-ukraine-warns-50000-more-north-korean-troops-russia-9194050,000 juche supersoldiers? Sorry, banderites, but Ukrainian independence WILL end.
>>2890545For the UNHCR reports they state 'refugees and displaced persons from Donetsk, Luhansk and other regions of Ukraine' (
https://trafo.hypotheses.org/49068), but not those who stayed living there and their legal status changed because the territory now is under Russian administrative control.
>>2887416>Ukraine is fucked, and that’s not even factoring in climate changeThey're fucked, absolutely, but *how* fucked? Will this Ukrainian government still be receiving gibs and fighting the war a year from now? What about 5 years? 10? When will the fucked-ness reach the end stage?
>>2890729Never. Only War Forever.
>>2890729That is completely unknown. Japan lucked out and did not actually pursue this kind of strategy. You get to witness a first in nationalism. I know I will be watching. And taking notes for potential future national identity erasure tactics.
>>2889661>Madame Jigsawhehe
>>2890729>Will this Ukrainian government still be receiving gibs and fighting the war a year from now? What about 5 years? 10?>>2890732>That is completely unknown. It's not total unknown. Ukraine isn't on a stable footing with initiative, it doesn't have the liberty to run even it's own show, it can't even really slow it down, it can only do "lol, gottem" type terrorism for their western audience. While they won't do peace unless there is a coup, we are looking at when will organized resistance seize and government bail, for example.
>>2890878
dude hitler literally euthanized disabled people because he didn't want to fund healthcare he was literally the proto-neoliberal thatcherite. it's why marxists who actually understand fascism call it liberalism's enforcer because outside all of the demagogic rhetoric it all just serves porky.
why is ukraine getting so many hits on russia lately? what's happening?
>>2889656the framing of that text is not correct. the Federal Law No. 167-FZ of June 10, 2026,
"On Amendments to Articles 196 and 217 of Part One of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation" does not mean that all state confiscation/nationalization of formerly privatized property becomes impossible after ten years. harder yes? impossible? no. the legislation concerns civil-law consequences of violations of privatization legislation. it does not eliminate criminal-law mechanisms and procedures, particularly confiscation connected with corruption or other criminal proceedings. also does not outlaw state interests for re-nationalizing privatized companies under special exceptions. the goal of the law is to protect the ones that fairly paid the purchase of state-owned companies or assets and courts had been able to seize assets privatized 15–30 years earlier already.
>The Czech Republic has already begun denying temporary protection to fugitive Ukrainians.
>In the first week after the new rules were introduced, dozens of Ukrainian men were denied temporary protection status. The reason was their inability to prove they had fulfilled their military service in Ukraine.
>The new rules apply not only to those applying for protection for the first time but also to Ukrainians seeking to extend their existing status.
I think the only way to make the czech government to stop behaving like fucking rabid animal is to tell them that capitalism was a Soviet and Russian invention.
>Poland is threatening to stop paying for Starlink services to Ukraine after SpaceX excluded it from the European communications region for its terminal users.
>Hey, @elonmusk, big man, stop discriminating Polish users of Starlink or we might re-think paying you $50 million p.a. for your services., Polish Foreign Minister Sikorski said in X.https://nitter.net/sikorskiradek/status/2087522293534666994lol, lmao even.
>The Ukrainian Armed Forces have stopped publishing data on Russian missile launches due to the "catastrophic state" of the Ukrainian air defense system.
>This was stated by Verkhovna Rada Deputy Anna Skorokhod.
I guess the random number generator also permanently malfunctioned.
>Kiev is preparing lists of people with limited mobility who will need to be evacuated due to prolonged heat and power outages this winter, the Kiev administration announced.OOFrelated:
>>2890977 >>2891012>Why the fuck are you lying to DEFEND HITLER WTF???Tourists from /chug/.
>>2890957>the goal of the law is to protect the ones that fairly paid the purchase of state-owned companies or assets and courts had been able to seize assets privatized 15–30 years earlier already.no wonder this thread (this board) has turned into a shitshow, the only one left posting in this thread isnt even a communist and he larps as a russian nationalist, its fucking over for /leftypol/.
>>2890969yup, this is it. ignoring the problems in russia (like calling a war an smo because porky is scared) and just pointing the finger at ukrainian nationalism (which *is* probably one of the biggest threats in yurop right now) doesnt somehow remove the problems that plaque this "smo" from day one. Ignoring reality never works, also why dont you mention that Russia just recently released an american prisoner as another "gesture of goodwill" without demands in return. Dont you fucking see that shit? Or do you want Putin end up like Assad? The fact he doesnt do purges (even though the fsb is leaking like a broken pipe) tells me everything i need to know.
>>2891063/leftypol/ collapse status?
Putler just released an American who was put in prison for 4 years for being a drunk retard. It's LITERALLY over for Ruzzia. Slava zucchini.
>>2891043
>Hitler INCREASED REAL WAGES
<Posts graph indicating that hourly wages never recovered past 1929 levels
<Graph also indicates weekly wages did surpass those levels until Germany was already at war stealing gold resources and other stuff from the countries they annexed
???? Thanks for proving my point I guess? Did you drop out of school and fail your math class or something? When a graph sets a starting value at 100 and a decade later it still hasn't passed that point, that means it's indicating a fall in value. This data shows that Hitler never managed to increase worker wages past Weimar standards lmfao. Makes sense because he cut the living standard of the German workers in order to fuel his retarded war. The closest thing to a Nazi economy today is the United States. Same stupid cuts to worker living standards just to throw all the money at war instead.
>>2891085Based video. In Belarusian KGB offices they still hang portraits of Dzerzhinsky. One day the USSR will come back we just have to ensure the Communists overthrow Putin's retarded team of liberals.
>>2891099
I'm not going to continue indulging you in this discussion because you are just stuck at such an unbelievably stupid level that I just don't want to spoonfeed what you should already know. The graph you posted was literally inflation corrected and yet in the very next post you're trying to argue that inflation means Weimar indicators were worse lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you don't know shit bro give it up.
You seem to think austerity ended under Hitler you don't realize that it continued and that all that changed was Hitler spent a crap ton more money on building up weapons for his stupid war while living standards continued to deteriorate. You have no knowledge of history and have never studied any of these topics and you cannot even read basic graphics that YOU YOURSELF POST I've sick of debating retarded Westoids who destroy their own argument with their own data but are too stupid to comprehend it.
>>2891063I am describing more accurately the law. if we start debating events based on lies we are not doing the revolutionary act of telling the truth.
>>2891063>>2891111 (me)
you are not asking if I agree with the move. I unequivocally disliked the maneuver presented by ur. that doesn't mean I can't describe it more accurately or by doing so I support it.
Tons of off-topic discussion recently so before even looking I'm predicting that Russia's military is probably being raped yet again.
>Checks ISW
>Russia had a net loss of 9 square miles over the past month
Yup another United Russia banger. Talk about literally anything else in the world when Russia's military is getting embarrassed again.
>>2891123Uh oh, our pet Hohol is getting a little bit mouthy again. Perhaps you’re in need of some calibration?
>lost 9 km^2
>source
>ukrainian channels.
>ISW
don't stumble on some weed and shrubs as they echoed the uk defense minister claims of Russia's operational scores.
Guys Russia is winning guys. I was told by a Pakistani groyper so it must be true
>>2891140*taps the sign*
ukraine lost.
>>289112597.4645% of the 39,579,476,549 pro ukrainian posts are written by that guy.
>>2891063Capped this recently. There are Z blogger channels out there who post less frequently than this.
>>2891135>>2891136Suriyakmaps is not much more flattering either.
>>2890978They've been open about not intercepting ballistics or cruise missiles for months now.
>>2891145It appears they exclude Crimea. I'm curious where the ~10,000 km2 difference comes from compared to ISW and Suriyakmaps (when you exclude Crimea) and what methodology they're using. From glancing biggest differences are in Sumy and Kharkiv oblasts, north of Lyman. South of Volchansk in particular.
Checked around and for places like "Білий Колодязь" the only evidence I could find online (haven't geolocated them) are vids showing (drone) strikes from August 3rd, but no flag raising or ground presence within the settlement itself. Are they simply copying Russian MoD press releases? Couldn't find any evidence for a TASS release from early July either, saying troops were just outside village.
>>2891123Am I misremembering or did you at one point claim to be pro-Russian?
The problem is that days where Russia launches dozens of cruise missiles at Kiev are nevertheless slow news days, whereas Ukraine torching a load of Temu clothes is breaking news that demands attention and analysis.
Although some news is that after that massive explosion in the UK, there’s now reports that a munitions factory in Rome has just gone bang as well.
>>2890569Not entirely related but the FT comments are just fucking ghoulish on the war. Maybe its because its infested by brits who statistically are the most unhinged about the war and the need to send proles to prosecute the war.
Boil the FT commentators and writers alive.
>>2891236aawwww you are bragging that you "blocked" me.
lmao,
what an absolute butthurted individual. >>2890968In World War Z, the Russian Federation ends up becoming the Holy Russian Empire where fertile women are turned into brood sows to replenish numbers lost by their stupid ww2 era tactics against the zombies.
A great book that gets funnier every year.
>>2889750>“Russian civilians should feel like they’re at warTrue, but my point is about how some of the recent strikes are being painted as some sort of retaliation, when this has been happening in Ukraine since 2022.
I get what you mean; Ukrainian strikes which may have happened anyway are justified post-facto as retaliations (for the invasion).
What I'm critiquing however is this notion that the AFU fired the first shot here and the crying of some milbloggers about destroyed treats. Like refineries, warehouses and power plants have been getting hit in Ukraine for a while now. So what did they expect was gonna happen long term?
I do wonder why they (AFU) decided to do all of this now and not last year, considering they've had the capabilities for a while.
>>2891452The thing is that up until 2025 the Ukrainian narrative was still that full 1991 borders were the end goal of this conflict, whether Ukraine fired first at a given target or not doesn't matter now that "making Russian civilians suffer" is the contemporary goal of the Ukrainian military.
>>2891452>I do wonder why they (AFU) decided to do all of this now and not last year, considering they've had the capabilities for a while.This is just a reality of modern production, last I've heard Ukrainian drones depend on French navigation technology and the Germans are "interested" in producing the Flamingo with their technology (so if you see any Flamingos in Germany, it's only because they value it over their Tauruses that the Ukrainians wanted).
It's like Swiss watches, all the components could be entirely from somewhere else, but as long as it's assembled in Switzerland that's a Swiss watch. So what Ukrainian drones are
theoretically capable of and what they're
actually capable of depends on availability of foreign components and almost certainly foreign production.
I've actually spent like 90% of my time ITT over the years disputing demands that all Russia ought to do is level entire apartment blocks, on the basis that the Ukrainians had recklessly hit civilians in their at-the-time incompetent attacks on Russian industry and energy.
I however cannot dispute those demands now we're at a point where targeting civilians directly or indirectly is expressed as Ukraine's goal since they've admitted they're not getting 1991 borders back.
Like Ukraine's drone abilities are at an all-time high, but now pro-Ukrainians (well, okay Jaty in Kyiv) need to have a frank conversation about targeting Russian civilians outright to win the war?
Nah geezer.
If Ukrainians protest in favour of continuing the conflict, just under the more "competent" policy of openly targeting civilians in a conflict that hitherto had a surprisingly low level of civilian casualties given its scale, well who am I to complain about a baby getting its bottle?
>>2891490>>2891494>>2891508the consequence will be more devastating for them, anyway.
then they'll move on to do this:
>>2891430 >>2891069>ignoring the problems in russiabecause Russian have endure much worse, and it doesn't matter, ukrainians started the drone campaign with oil refineries this year, and Russia has already re-started the production in almost all of them, and the same drone campaign just moved to Wildberries, out of all targets, with no strategic military value. why did it stop with the refineries? because the Russian air defenses are adjusting, so they don't get hit there again. the intentions of ukraine of worsening the life of Russians are merely circumstantial, short-lived, and it only backfires greatly for ukrainians so these posts:
>>2890939, gotcha posts, are laughable.
>Russia just recently released an american prisoner as another "gesture of goodwill"so? even Iranians had the gestures of goodwill with the us regime, in wars there are always gestures of goodwill.
for you, Russia must use nukes, I guess.
>Or do you want Putin end up like Assad?that's…
nonsensical.
Just in:
>Russia and Ukraine have conducted an exchange of the bodies of deceased military personnel, according to Shamsail Saraliev, a representative of the parliamentary coordination group on the special military operation.
>The Russian side transferred 261 bodies, while the Ukrainian side transferred 24.
>Zelensky ordered the launch of a campaign to improve Ukraine's image in Poland.
>The aim is to improve Ukraine's image in Poland by highlighting historical alliances, such as the alliance between the Second Polish Republic and Symon Petliura during the 1920 war.
>The campaign is intended to involve Polish media, experts, and businesses, and a special team will be created within the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs to focus on relations with Poland.
LOL, LMAO
>Representatives of the Kiev authorities were not invited to the military parade that will take place in Warsaw on August 15, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense reported.
>his will be the largest military parade in Polish history, held to mark the Day of the Armed Forces. The event will feature approximately 1,800 military personnel, over 300 pieces of ground equipment, and 60 aircraft. Military personnel from the United States, Canada, Australia, Lithuania, Romania, Sweden, Estonia, and other countries will also participate in the parade.
>>2891516It's just apparent that Zelensky's announcements that they're targeting civilian life in Russia, is popular in Ukraine.
And in that case, I think the ball is back in Ukraine's court for looking for a fight.
>>2891541
You have to read the rest of the article
>>2891543Most tolerant poles
>>2891556
Your country's education program failed you.
>Ukraine's losses from the halt of maritime exports in 2026 are estimated at $2 billion, according to Ukrainian MP Goncharenko
GIVAS
>Ukrainian refugees are leaving Poland en masse.
>According to Eurostat, more than 6,000 Ukrainians left Poland in June alone. This is the highest figure among EU countries.
>>2891578Nothingburger they're leaving for Germany or a richer country as is tradition
>>2891586yes, that's correct. however, this could be an interpretative sign of what could evolve into a broader conflict between ukraine and polan.
>>2891145It's funny that for years the cope has been that all Russia’s advances have only captured empty fields and irrelevant villages but the second that Ukraine allegedly reverses a minuscule part of these gains it's reason to celebrate
Apparently cope cages are out, and this year's Russian hot summer look is the Arena-M.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/russian-arena-m-active-protection
>Now, in a recent assault in the Dobropillya direction out of Shakhove, near Pokrovsk, Russian forces reportedly used tanks with these Arena-M systems for the first time. Footage released by the Azov Corp which defends the area showed one possible shoot down of an FPV drone by the Arena system:
>But the shocker was that major pro-Ukrainian figures which included American analyst Rob Lee and a Ukrainian Special Operations veteran Dmytro Putiata spoke to the Azov units involved in the attack and learned that the Arena-M system actually worked remarkably well:
>Putiata confirmed the units told him that one Arena system destroyed 7 FPVs and that on average it took up to 20 FPV drones to destroy a tank.>>2891688Even without this I get the impression that taking down a tank often took more than one hit. Which that twitter post alludes to too. (52 hits to destroy a single tank)
A single drone blowing up a tank looks impressive, but doesn't show what happened beforehand. Same goes for first person footage where the feed cuts.
Also interested in the economics of this, logistics aside.
>>2891688Massive incoming attack soon! Berlin by december!
>>2891599no. in here we analyze things that are shaping the future. it's not in two weeks, but in 20 years or more, we'll see.
for instance, these things are going to shape ukraine for the future:
>>2890207 (one of the most powerful man in ukraine advocating not for socially and economically viable state, but for a war state - for the next 50 years)
>>2890209children. on one hand hand a child throws a toy to the face of a tcc minion, on the other, a child cosplays proudly his tcc uniform. tell me, what do you think these children are going to do when they learn how to use weapons, they grow as adults and finally face each other?
these things aren't, as nazilushny said, for next
two weeks. these things are for the following generations.
>>2891688>Using anti ATGM systems for Temu quadcoptersAt some point someone's gonna design an affordable shotgun autoturret that will put to shame all these convoluted systems im betting
>>2891936It's pretty much a shotgun
>>2891732>>289168820-50 cheap quadcopter drones is basically the cost of a single ATGM, and a modern APS might well stop the first ATGM, so drones are still a dire threat that is highly cost effective.
>>2891936Even a fucking pellet gun with compressed air would do…
>>2892088That's a really dumb thing to say anon.
>>2891930war was never pretty or "aesthetic". War is always whatever works.
>>2892224at this point the question that Sleboda is making is correct:
will nato pay for the ukrainian state manutention, adding another 50 billion besides the other funding that makes up up to 20% in direct cash? paying an additional 50 billions will make more than 50% of ukraine's gdp.
and they risk of losing everything like they did with south vietnam.
>>2891994The problem with launching 50 quadcopter drones is that it'll actually take a long time (relatively speaking) for two or three operators to fly all 50 individually to the target. The more time spent sitting in one spot, especially when the drones have to fly from an origin to the target, the more likely it is that you'll eventually get spotted by recon drones.
It's always been a flaw with ATGMs that launching even one is slow compared to what a tank possesses and most of them still require the operator to be engaged until the missile hits. The only real benefit an FPV drone has over ATGMs (other than being able to produced by teenagers in their bedrooms) are not requiring the target to be in your line-of-sight, so you can use it from cover and target around cover.
Ultimately, I expect that to be the flaw that must be exploited to remove drones as a threat and I have seen increasingly more videos of Russia spotting and then shelling such drone hives.
Mostly the FPV drone's success appears to have been using ambush tactics, hiding them along paths that the Russian military are likely to take and activating them when tanks and troops are already close. However, now that Russia is getting closer to the borders of the regions they've laid claim to, opportunities for ambush become less plentiful.
>>2891936>Using anti ATGM systems for Temu quadcoptersAPS are expensive to build, they're not expensive to use.
Arena-M essentially just lobs a grenade at the target from fixed launchers placed around the turret, it's all the radar, sensors and compute to detect, identify, decide and fire in nanoseconds that's expensive, so stuff you'd need for an autoturret anyway.
>>2892609Russian countermeasure to this ambush tactic is to create "a grey zone" spanning tens of kilometers before any Russian soldier moves in.
>>2892649I'd compare it to MCLOS missiles in War Thunder (like the default Malyutka missile on the BMP-1, if anyone knows what I'm talking about), were you have to use keyboard keys to manually guide the missile rather than having it follow your mouse.
I suppose the missile is made harder because it's not FPV and therefore it's hard to keep it on target at range, on the other hand I expect IRL FPV drones have a shit load of input lag compared to a computer game.
>>2892649If anything its human operators that will be phased out in favor of AI controlled systems that are able to fly +50 drones at the same time.
/tinfoil
Hives of semi-autonomous drones guided roughly to the objective. Having just enough computing power to deny an area without hampering each other too much.
Temu loitering munitions
Flying minefields
Cluster drones
Plastic artillery
Vans of death
The point is not to innovate new ways of war, but to make more war more affordable during a profitability crisis.
In this cold war nobody is exporting communist revolution, just to prove with model of global capitalism is more profitable. If they falter, capital will pick their opponents as the winners, without firing a single gun. There is no need then, to *liquidate* the opposition. The ruling class is never fighting for their continued existence, no matter who wins a given conflict. THat's why we are witnessing the new Operation Condor in SA but leftoids fail to recognize it because nobody is ruthlessly exterminating them. Because they have no power,they are no threat. Ukraine is only going further in this matter to pander to the neo-nazi base, not out of necessity either.
Drones are there to cut costs, not win wars. The winner is the one who manages to uphold the highest profitability for the longest time. We are doomed to do war neoliberalism until something breaks. That's when I think revolutions may happen and what the ruling class is bracing for and will unite to suppress across winners and losers of the cold war.
>>2892717I disagree, because the drones (of both FPV and Suicide types) aren't as inexpensive as when they first showed up and that was the talking point behind them.
So much has been spent in R&D on producing counter-measures to drones that in turn demands just as much R&D to overcome those counter-measures which usually means just making the drone more sophisticated and therefore expensive.
I don't think le drone war is because it's actually more profitable, I think it's a consequence of this being a conflict that is unpopular with the bourgeoisie in fact. The NATO bourgeoisie got a lot more than they bargained for, clearly expecting a post-COVID Russia to be so economically spent that it wouldn't last more than a couple of weeks under sanctions. The Russian bourgeoisie has spent years hoping that the NATO bourgeoisie will take every off-ramp given to them to reverse their mistake and go back to business as usual. The Ukrainian bourgeoisie only supports the conflict for while it allows them to keep shoving Dollars and Euros in their pockets in full anticipation of the Hyrvina being irrevocably fucked and them almost certainly to be soon living as exiles in countries that will only accept Dollars or Euros.
The misconception that drones are cheap, backyard engineering is supposed to suggest they're "the democratisation of automated warfare" that means capabilities only accessible to the US MIC and that of its vassals prior, is suddenly a capability
even Ukraine can have and it's the perfect cover for the fact you've got two nuclear powers in a direct clash.
I don't think anyone genuinely wants WW3, because that would be bad for business, so le cheap drone narrative exists to distract from the fact there's actually massive amounts of money being expended here, industry is being mobilised, far more sophisticated weapons are in fact in use, there are direct exchanges against Russian territory and covert NATO assets, and neither side is as laissez-faire about this conflict as calling it an SMO or "merely support for Ukraine" would suggest.
Welcome to the world of idealism.
>>2892717>In this cold war nobody is exporting communist revolution, just to prove with model of global capitalism is more profitable. If they falter, capital will pick their opponents as the winners, without firing a single gun. There is no need then, to *liquidate* the opposition. The ruling class is never fighting for their continued existence, no matter who wins a given conflict.This is a ridiculously reductive and incorrect view. The bourgeoisie across the entire world are not a monolithic sphere. Losing wars will result in redistribution of markets, industries, and replacement of the governing elites. If Russia loses this war Ukraine and the West are 100% going to replace Putin and everyone else in the current Russian government. Likewise if Russia wins this war and by win I mean not just "take the donbas omegalul" but actually win and take Kiev and everything to the west, the Ukrainian government will also be replaced and Russian capitalists will edge out any Western or Ukrainian capitalists in their respective spheres.
Fucking hell the geopolitical understanding and comprehension of people on this board gets worse every year. What retard looks at the world and goes "ah yes every country is working together all national bourgeoisie are aligned" if that were the case there would never be any war whatsoever fucking idiot.
>>2892727That being said, I expect the Russian bourgeoisie aren't tolerant of all these drone strikes because they're actually buying the narrative that it's simply Ukrainian ingenuity behind them. But rather just the acknowledgement that if you want eventual rapprochement with Western markets, then bombing them likewise pushes that further into the distant future.
I expect that if it weren't for le drone war narrative, the conflict would have ended by now. Not because drones are a silver bullet as often suggested, but I don't think shit like Storm Shadows being handed over to Ukraine with expressed permission to launch them at Russian territory would be granted if it couldn't be reasoned that it's a minor offence by a NATO military compared to what "Ukraine" is achieving with its "primitive" drones, "slightly enhanced" with Western tech.
With Ukraine expending their Soviet-stocks of missiles and the only alternative to replace them being NATO missiles, I suspect that just would have been considered too risky to provide.
>>2892733maybe they think since destruction means an increase in profit,there would be spectacle wars where you destroy capital to delay the inevitable decline of the rate of profits globally,where capitalists kill proles in some simulacra of war
>>2892733Even in case Cucktin's "SMO" goes down the shitter in the last moment after 100 years of grinding (like Syria) it's not at all certain that pro-west libs manage to topple Cucktin and take over power instead of a more radical anti-west faction though. That's NAFOid wishful thinking, imo.
>>2892774This. Tbh the only way one expects for Putin to be replaced by a pro-Western lib government at this point is to believe that the US nuking Japan resulting in a new unbreakable alliance between the two was entirely organic, not a result of the occupation that followed said nuking.
However there is a shocking amount of Westerners that believe that the non-Western world is primarily made up of people who dream every night about being Western and will support every Western attack against themselves as a noble attempt to make their dreams come true.
In reality, NATO's increasingly evangelist support for Ukraine hitting civilian targets in Russia would actually reduce the effect of Russia's isolation from the West. The demand for Mickey Mouse is rather diminished when he's cheering on you getting droned by people throwing out Nazi salutes.
ukrainian collapse status?
>>2893084*taps the sign for the 3rd time ITT*
copekraine*, reminder for you.
>>2893117>Ukraine has progressed past Russia therefore Ukraine collapse lol
>copekraine
>progressed
yeah, I mean, if you wanna rename as ukrainians all those immigrant workers from South East Asia, that don't speak ukranian, that don't have the customs of ukranians, that don't even have the identity of ukraine and call it progressive, you might as well, instead of rebrand ukraine as the 'israel of europe' as zelya wanted, rebrand it like the uae (but poorer) of europe.
guess that's progressive.
My Wildberries wishlist page is 90% out of stock now lol. RIP WB
>>2893168Maybe pro-russia posters shouldnt resort to these racist arguments as Russia is the most multicultural country in Europe.
>>2893280Minorities in Russia see themselves as Russian. There's no contradiction here. You're the idiot conflating a recently-arrived immigrant from Bangladesh and a Buryat whose family has lived in Russia for generations and considers himself Russian.
GTFO with your surface-level and incorrect liberal equivocating.
>>2892201>did they just shut off the whatever suicide tactics that Syrsky was doing?Apparently Drapatyi isn't into suicide tactics.
Cucktin status?
>>2893273What am I looking at? Race baiting ad from another reactionary party?
>>2893236Should I buy the dip? I wonder if an european can buy russian stocks without it getting block by the UE or Russia
>>2893284Typical colonialist mindset.
>>2893280Ukraine is a literal ethnostate, if they have to drop the ethno part to continue existing, then denazification is a success right? I think that's a victory we can all get behind.
>>2893280>these racist argumentsin what part was that racist? ukraine identity is being erased, process being confirmed by nationalists like budanov bending the knee for foreign labor, and somehow ukraine hasn't lost?
bitch I do care that ukraine identity will cease to exist, problem is you either wanna deny the reality and be smug about it, or you know it and you simply don't care, which, between you and I, would make you a fascist.
the smug
ukrainian collapse status crowd doesn't care about ukraine, almost as much as I don't care from where the immigrants budanov wants come from. they can be the whitest, blue-eyed, blondest motherfuckers, for all I care.
I just pointed out that for the looks of the labor crowd the existing copekraine state can pay, ukraine will look more like the uae, and not like israel, something zelya wanted.
or am I lying with the facts that uae is precisely a melting pot of South East Asia immigrants, forever ready to implode, and the blood and sweat of those workers is what keeps alive that fragile, weak, and fake state? same descriptions will fit in for ukraine, too, as it slowly becomes uae.
>>2893326>Ukraine is a literal ethnostate, As most national states are. Russia and USA are the outliers with their multicultural societies.
>I think that's a victory we can all get behind.I guess so.
>>2893336Go back to /pol/.
I can see /pol/ saying that South East Asia immigrants is what makes a state like the uae the 'paradise' it is, now.
yeah, they sure can acknowledge that
LMAO
>>2893346>A robot was on fire. Again.>It was the summer of 2024, and the cutting-edge robots inside General Dynamics' sweltering artillery factory near Dallas were catching fire with startling regularity>Instead of producing shells in an efficient and streamlined fashion, the pricey machines kept failing in bizarre ways. The robot arms would swing out of control, smashing into carefully calibrated equipment, and sometimes they would unexpectedly drop hunks of steel 5 feet down to the floor. >The factory's signature device, meant to precisely stretch the steel for the artillery shells, instead often cracked it beyond repair. Then there were the giant press machines, which required regular pounding with a sledgehammer to function properly but still botched the shaping of nearly every shell. US MIC status?
>>2893339Not really, the UK is a multicultural/multiethnic state made up of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Another example is Italy having a bizarre number of cultures that are collectively Italian but individually distinct.
>Russia could destroy Ukrainian thermal power plants as early as October or November, admitted Ukrainian Armed Forces officer Onistrat.
>"I advise you to take care of generators and fuel reserves in advance," he said.
then they'll call for a ceasefire once the escalation backfires.
>>2893357what would poland care to invade ukraine for? that would be getting rid of a buffer state with russia and would mean that their southern towns will get blown up by drones, with the only possible reward being 3 historic cities with a bunch of bandera statues. making a second ooga booga chimpout in ukraine would be the opposite of guaranteeing polish security no matter how you look at it. >lwow smo in 2 weeks might be your craziest take yet
>>2893364>>2893364irredentism.
for all they care about having buffer zones. they share border with the Kaliningrad Oblast, of Russia, already.
>>2893362Considering Ukraine was in a population crisis before 2014, it's not that high.
They are headed to 15-20 million population, with 2/3s of the Kiev controlled areas empty by 2050s, even if the killing and war stops today to the current frontlines. Even if there were peace now they would have hard time getting most of their people back from abroad, because who wants to live in a failed state. They can't attract foreing refugees very easily either to replace anybody. Also they won't have a tax base to fix any of this and they will be up to their ears with debt and military invalids.
>>2893366polish irredentism is total larp, and poland's entire policy towards ukraine thus far has been "let them act as a meat wall against russia" - as is explicitly stated by polish politicians of the mainstream political camps every time they debate foreign policy. due to the oun and later ussr policy, there's not even that significant of a polish minority living there anymore. i don't think that even a nationalist administration would care to go against nato policy or fight a war over ukrainian swamps. there's too many costs involved for very little gain.
>>2893373Bolshevik colour revolution soon comrades.
>>2893372
Interesting how it’s always “cope” until the genocide if Russians begins, then you “anti-campists” gleefully side with the Nazis
>>2893374
The point still stands that many countries other than the US and Russia are multicultural and/or multiethnic.
>>2893369>is total larp>>2893372>zigger copeis it? then explain this:
>>2891535which I can expand:
https://edgp.gazetaprawna.pl/swiat/artykuly/11289301,zelenski-plan-poprawy-wizerunku-ukrainy-w-polsce-relacje-z-warszawa.html<President Volodymyr Zelensky's office has developed an action plan aimed at improving Ukraine's image in Poland. An external PR agency will be engaged to implement it. The plan is part of a response to the crisis in bilateral relations, exacerbated by the May decision to name one of the military units after the Heroes of the UPA.(the plan was leaked to the pole Dziennik Gazeta Prawna)
https://slawa.tv/94835933/dgp-zelenskij-gotu-plan-dlya-pokrashchennya-imidzhu-ukrani-v-polshchi
>The Ukrainian side plans, in particular, to intensify public diplomacy, cooperate with Polish businessmen, experts and the media, as well as disseminate information about the threat from Russia and historical examples of Polish-Ukrainian cooperation.
>According to the publication, Kyiv seeks, first of all, to establish communication with that part of Polish society that has a favorable attitude towards Ukraine.
>A separate direction may be the search for evidence of possible Russian funding of Polish anti-Ukrainian circles.
>Three policy options for Poland
>According to DGP, the Ukrainian authorities considered three scenarios for further policy towards Poland. The option supported by Deputy Head of the Presidential Office Iryna Vereshchuk won. She advocated the active use of public diplomacy tools.
>The second scenario involved passively waiting until the wave of anti-Ukrainian sentiment in Poland subsided.
>The third, tougher option involved taking Polish-Ukrainian disputes to the international level and involving European Union institutions.
>According to the publication, among the possible steps considered was even a complaint against Poland under Article 258 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU in connection with anti-Ukrainian incidents.the reactionary government of ukraine knows what reactionaries can achieve and do. today fringe, as they were in 1991, they can be in 20 years the driving pole force.
that's why zelya is pouring millions, if not millions, of other eu states, into poland to shape their public opinion, idea and relationship through these attempts to rebrand ukraine as something else enterily.
>>2893382>millions, if not millions,if not billions*
>>2893369Again, this is because of Poland's integration into the EU and NATO which for its bourgeoisie is worth abandoning territorial claims over. Had Poland remained independent under the ultranationalism that ultimately supported dropping Communism and breaking with the USSR/Russia, then quite likely its trajectory would match that of Ukraine, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Yugoslavia, Georgia, etc where hastily agreed borders in 1990 on contemporary lines will be a perpetual red herring for why everything actually got worse after binning decades of economic development for le shock treatment therapy.
I've no doubt the Poles and Ukrainians would have had it out at some point over Lvov.
Like doesn't strike anyone as strange that "Moscow-defined" borders are fine in the EU, but an oppressive tragedy outside of it?
>>2893381And Ukraine isnt multiethnic because they are le nazis?
>>2893386No, they are "le nazis" because Ukraine is multinational already but Banderites don't want it to be.
I'd hesitate to call it multiethic, because I don't believe Russians and Ukrainians are in fact different ethnicities, the struggle between based Gallicians and Moskal orcs is a Banderite invention.
>>2893339>As most national states arename them.
bring a list of most.
for each country, an example, please.
by social studies, no just 'vibes and feels'.
'Most' the UN has 193 member states, I expect no less than 150.
And to be honest the categorisation of ethnicity/race is fucking stupid, because scientifically there is no such thing and we're all Homo Sapiens. But handed over to vibes-based analysis, people will identify identical families from different streets in a town untouched for centuries as different ethnicities, because one family upholds the rhubarb crumble as the symbol of their family's legacy, while the other upholds the apple crumble as their famillial legacy.
>>2893391I asked you social studies for each country where you can point out that a country is an ethno-state. not 'vibes and feels' shit.
and your map isn't even displaying that. dunno what it tries to convey, but I'm sure as hell it isn't 'a map of countries defined as ethno-states by social studies' of some sort.
>>2893336>bitch I do care that ukraine identity will cease to existWhat is this reactionary nonsense? Assimilation and the breaking down of national distinctions through capitalism is obviously progressive no matter the skin color involved, Read Lenin
>>2893391What the fuck is your definition of "national state" where somehow every country in the world doesn't fall under that definition?
>>2893397Lenin advocated for that, provided it was not enforced through violence or privilege. for one:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/crnq/3.htm#1>In condemning “assimilation” Mr. Liebman had in mind, not violence, not inequality, and not privileges. Is there anything real left in the concept of assimilation, after all violence and all inequality have been eliminated?second, he saw that as a meaning to obtain socialism. the same way Marx saw that everything must be capitalism to then move forward to socialism.
I am absolutely sure that the erasure of ukrainian indentity in a neolib shithole highly influenced by banderite neonazism will not bring you socialism in any shape or perform. the fuck you talking about? what's this weak-ass readout of what Lenin argued about?
>>2893397>Assimilation and the breaking down of national distinctions through capitalismBut this is precisely what the Ukrainian state is opposed to. I don't necessarily support the idea of Russia annexing everything currently considered Ukrainian, but it'd be a lot closer to that aim than what Banderites want for Ukraine to be.
Clearly the problem is that anti-campists want the point of interest in this conflict to be the invasion, not the 2014 coup and what the ideology installed via that was.
>>2893404Western europe is absorbing ukrainian national identity with every euro invested whether the Banderites like it or not, evidenced by the gay pride marches and jewish president. The colored workers from abroad are only accelerating this progress. This is a preferable state of affairs for socialism yes as opposed to isolationist, nationalist serbia or georgia. The faster specific national culture is eliminated the better
>>2893409>But this is precisely what the Ukrainian state is opposed to. What the ukrainian elite want don't matter. they've never mattered. they dance to euro/american Porky's tune, and that involves economic enslavement. I prefer Russia to win, but there's no doubt an enormous cultural shift happening in Ukraine, one thats demanding international cooperation of capital and labor despite the Banderites wanting to retvrn. That's just not how capitalism works. Perhaps this process would stop when the investment from the west stops but I don't ever see that happening, war is too lucrative
>>2893414>What the ukrainian elite want don't matter. they've never mattered.It matters to the people who are currently being kidnapped off the streets to be cannon fodder at their whim.
I won't answer beyond that statement, you can't claim the elite's opinion doesn't matter where there's conscription.
>>2893414I guarantee you that the ostentatious of operation gladio, also neolibs, won't bring you socialism with the erasure of the ukrainian identity.
and again, it's being done with violence, every time you see one man busified in ukraine, dragged by his 4 extremities, like a pig dragged to a slaughterhouse, you see the violence Lenin didn't advocate for.
>>2893416I mean what is this anon's point? That replacement theory is real and it's good?
Make no mistake, the unification of the world is the ultimate goal, but that's happens because it's logical socially and economically. Not because
>expending all our civilians as cannon fodder is fine because we can recreate the British Raj in Ukraine
>>2893415this war is being fought for western interests. its the wests war more than it is ukraines. the absense of western interests would mean no war. ukraine is a vassal state of the west, marxists know a nation can be vassilized through its ruling class despite being nominally 'independent' on the surface
>>2893416>you see the violence Lenin didn't advocate for.you're falling for the 'historically progressive = morally righteous' meme. marx considered manifest destiny historically progressive even though it was misery inducing. read Lenin here:
>Yes, there undoubtedly is. What is left is capitalism’s world-historical tendency, to break down national barriers, obliterate national distinctions, and to assimilate nations—a tendency which manifests itself more and more powerfully with every passing decade, and is one of the greatest driving forces transforming capitalism into socialism.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/crnq/3.htm >>2893424Well if the West's pick was the Euromaidan crowd then perhaps I'd have an entirely different outlook on this conflict. But they picked the Banderites, and if Russia doesn't end them in one way or another, then Banderites are who will prevail long after this conflict stops being tactical/profitable/interesting for the West.
How many decades till victory?
>>2893424I am not falling for anything, I am not taking Lenin out of context like you do. I already know the book of Critical Remarks on the National Question, that's why I pointed out to the same book:
>In condemning “assimilation” Mr. Liebman had in mind, not violence, not inequality, and not privileges. Is there anything real left in the concept of assimilation, after all violence and all inequality have been eliminated?>>2893419Dunno. I was carefully explaining why ukraine lost, I was accused of racism, despite I reject the extinction of the ukrainian identity, despite it's already lost, given the demographics, the language laws zelya signed, and the labor shortage replacement and suddenly we are discussing that Lenin would have applauded what the ukranian government is doing.
>>2893425the irony here is that the Banderites, in a desperate attempt to maintain their Ukrainian supremacy by invading the Russian speaking regions in the east, is ending up undermining it anyway by importing middle easterners and asians to fill in the gaps in society. Ukrainain identity was always under threat, and with that, the Banderites base of support
>>2893436It's not under threat, it's needing to prove itself.
>>2893431>Whoever does not recognise and champion the equality of nations and languages, and does not fight against all national oppression or inequality, is not a Marxist; he is not even a democrat. That is beyond doubt. But it is also beyond doubt that the pseudo-Marxist who heaps abuse upon a Marxist of another nation for being an “assimilator” is simply a nationalist philistine. In this unhandsome category of people are all the Bundists and (as we shall shortly see) Ukrainian nationalist-socialists such as L. Yurkevich, Dontsov and Co.you are a nationalist. marxists reject Cultural-National autonomy. nobody cares about your countries identity. you will be assimilated.
>>2893438we moved from
read Lenin to
Marx rejected.
>>2893437>it's needing to prove itself.bruh what does this even mean. does a screwdriver need to prove itself? all ukraine is is a tool in the hands of the west, and it'll be used until it breaks
<another episode of ethnic nationalist complaining about ethnic nationalist in ukraine
>>2893443Ukraine"s borders have only ever been formalised as a political district within the USSR. When Lenin chose to give the baby of Ukraine its bottle and made it a republic, the "ethinicity" of the region wasn't considered.
It's Banderites who need to prove in the post-Soviet world that Lenin wasn't giving a potentially rebellious baby its bottle. That Ukraine is a distinct, historically recognisable, verifiable
ethnicity within
ALL of the territory it inherited in 1991.
It isn't. So genocidal rhetoric and action prevails, because otherwise they'll lose the borders that are already a humiliation according to the OUN's reckoning.
To dumb it down for Mom and Pop,
Yo if Ukraine has them Banderites or sum such mutherfuckers, then that there NAYTO has a screwdriver they'll have to screw a lot more people than your mom with
>>2893449none of this refutes the idea that Ukrainian identity, like every identity on planet earth, is under threat because of international capital (a good thing). base over superstructure. international capital is demanding ukraine be used to balkanize russia, it was going to happen whether the Banderites wanted it or not and there is no action they could've taken to preserve the ukrainian identity, it was always inevitably going to be absorbed by either Russia or the West. This is the fate of every minority culture as capitalism intensifies. There is NO possibility of ukraine returning to ukrainian supremacy like they had in the 90's, its literally over for the Banderites, they lost the moment Russia crossed the border
>>2893460>none of this refutes the idea that Ukrainian identity, like every identity on planet earth, is under threat because of international capital (a good thing).That'd a chud interpretation and inapplicable to Ukraine anyway because the Ukrainian identity clearly seeks legitimisation.
>>2893460Excellent post.
>>2893461All of these identities are fake and gay including Russian identity.
>>2893461international capital breaking down and smoothing down the differences of identity between workers is good actually. it sets us up for the amalgamation of nations under a single workers polity. dont be a philistine nationalist.
>Marxism cannot be reconciled with nationalism, be it even of the “most just”, “purest”, most refined and civilised brand. In place of all forms of nationalism Marxism advances internationalism, the amalgamation of all nations in the higher unity, a unity that is growing before our eyes with every mile of railway line that is built, with every international trust, and every workers’ association that is formed (an association that is international in its economic activities as well as in its ideas and aims).https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/crnq/4.htm >>2893464Okay but where does Marx or Lenin explain why this is best done under an "internationalist" EU and NATO? If they installed Banderites, then they don't want Ukraine as part of their "project".
>>2893468>Okay but where does Marx or Lenin explain why this is best done under an "internationalist" EU and NATO? why can't it be? and nobody said it was 'best done'
>If they installed Banderites, then they don't want Ukraine as part of their "project".whys that? are you saying the west has no Designs on Ukraine? Have you seen trumps rare earth deposit purchase in the eastern regions yet?
>bots gone wild
What Russian thing exploded?
>The largest metallurgical plant in Ukraine, ArcelorMittal Krivoy Rog, working for the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, announced a partial suspension of production after strikes by the Russian Armed Forces.
>The main production facilities of energy and blast furnace production were damaged.
Largest* after Donbass regions were absorbe into Russia.
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