/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2889741
>Will reiterate that whilst bombing petrol stations makes life miserable for front line civilians
Sure but the Ukrainian government up to Zelensky himself says this is the name of the game when striking refineries and Wildberries, saying something to the effect of “Russian civilians should feel like they’re at war”.

>considering how this war unfolded with Ukrainian targets (warehouses, power plants, refineries) being hit first
It doesn’t really matter who struck what first, I think not-unreasonably the Ukrainians and their supporters say everything that gets struck in Russia is ultimately retaliation for invasion, it become unreasonable for them to then also want a concurrent narrative that Russian attacks aren’t retaliatory but a pre-emptive strike made because they’re losing and it’s good for Ukraine actually because now it means Ukraine will hit back harder.

As usual, it’s trying to have their cake and eat it to, simultaneously they’re the victims of invasion who will do anything to defend themselves (including suicide bombings), but also they’re gleefully taking the initiative in offensive attacks against Russia because Putin supposedly keeps falling for Ukraine’s well laid escalation traps that Kiev already knows it will win.

The former is logical albeit with an unhinged conclusion, the former is just delusion that requires one to believe that rocking Kiev nightly is the death throes of a wounded Russia on the cusp of collapse because of Ukraine tricking Russia into making strikes on Wildberries allowable via an escalation spiral Ukraine will win… it’s so convoluted I couldn’t provide a simpler description than that.

>>2889750
The latter*

>>2889737
no, in this thread we talk about workers from the Donbas region considered second-class citizens on what was once their own homeland.

>>2889744
>communist revolution is universally a sham
>commieblock
>inherent racial traits
<yfw
gtfo to /pol/ or whatever cesspool you came from.

>>2889762
Even worse
He's some sort of Bulgarian degenerate, im baffled how they never actually payed for their alignment with nazi germany
Theyve been raking in EU gibs for nearly 20 years and are still a bigger shithole than Croatia

>>2889773
I thought he was Polish

>>2889744
>historically most direct victims of communism were slight wealthier peasants whom both soviets and chinese had murdered in droves
Based

>>2889746
Welcome to /chug/ comrade.

>>2889779
It’s not /chug/, as much as some anons project.

>>2889773
He said he doesn't read Bulgarian:
>>2889715
>i don't read bulgarian, sorry

look at that… nazovites portraying the 'greater ukraine' map.

>>2889812
>Brethren, let's join in a bloody fight, from the San to the Don
>Ne'er shall we allow others to rule in our native land.
It’s a comedy, the world we live in.

Whose the people who’ve had their faces scrubbed?

>>2889812
If Cucktin keeps going at this speed, Ukrainians will become more and more delusional

>>2889823
You make it sound like a good tactic tbh, I don’t think delusion is a good thing for a military.

>>2887083
delivery of those missiles are realistically expected a decade away

>>2889825
This delusion is killing masses of innocent people, plenty of them Russian or Russian speakers inside Ukraine, and their master race rhetoric in classrooms and kindergartens doesn't sit right with me. Ideally the working class in Ukraine would overthrow this, but how? The government and its military that is becoming more and more unhinged by the week is snatching and torturing ordinary folks off the street now.

>>2889835
Perhaps the word you're looking for is "ambitious" then.

>>2889823
If russia was sieging Kiev right now the same people would still entertain ideas about a endsieg turnaround. These people are either ideologically so far gone, or so desperate to keep their gravy train going that they will stop at nothing to keep the war going to the bitter end.
>>2889835
While regrettable it's not Kremlin's job to rush sending russian soldiers to kill russians to save the people that they were trying to save Donbass and Crimea from.

>>2889822
I would call it the 'great copekraine'.

>>2889850
>These people are either ideologically so far gone, or so desperate to keep their gravy train going that they will stop at nothing to keep the war going to the bitter end.
Going to have to agree with this, the actual delusion Banderites have is that basically everything is a "good" reason to double down on the conflict.
>Russia offers to de-escalate and negotiate: They're weak! Bomb a school!
>Russia refuses to de-escalate and negotiate: They think we're weak! Bomb a school!
and I know what anons are going to say, "why not kill Zelensky?", well he's not exactly the brains of the operation and he's also put himself in the position where he's created a few political and military enemies but also refuses to step down or really allow any input from anyone not in his private TV industry-origin circle.

Hate to beat the dead horse, but the last time someone hunkered down in their bunker, off their face on drugs, demanding new fronts be opened with armies that don't exist, screaming at his generals for not understanding what he does about the new wunderwaffen that's coming and generally answering "fuck the people and fuck the country" to the question of post-war circumstances, etc, it didn't end well for them. They had to put down their dog.

>>2889638
>it's basically expected that anyone with any kind of power (no matter how localised) ought to be fucking with the politics of other countries as the West does.
Yeah. Also my position is that the effect is really overstated, but also that rooting the source of the thing as an external force gets the relationship backwards. But this goes both ways, like what people call color revolutions have their root causes internally. In any event if American burger rightoids decided (at least temporarily) that Ukraine must perish because of queers and billions must die, it wasn't Russia that did that, it's because American rightoids are unhinged and get into shouting matches the libs all the time. Also they might be ultimately to blame if you want to argue because they exported this and then Russian boomers picked it up.

I can see anti-gay stuff from Russians, but idk it seems more about just wanting to look tough and own the American NGOs. Like half the Red Army Choir is gay if not 75% gay (because it's a men's choir, duh). Or Alexandrov Ensemble or whatever the proper name for it is. Russia also passes all these anti-gay laws but you know how Russian law works. If the Evangelicals won the culture war in America then Russia would have roaring gay Pride parades in Moscow out of contrarianism.

>I just don't think jumping the metaphorical Berlin Wall to the East here carries the same level of sympathy from anyone, surely.
Well also as best as I can tell Russians themselves don't do that as much. Like they move around (quite a lot really) but it's not about some amusing ideology as much. I saw some video of a Russian woman complaining about Crimea going down the tubes because of all these drone strikes, and she's like, where am I supposed to live? Krasnodar? Might as well live in an anthill. Or move back to Moscow and live in some neighborhood and never go outside unless it's within a few block radius… fml… but Crimea… I feel it's so… idk. Like it's warm and scenic in that way.

Even a liberal emigre I talked to (I've talked to a communist one too BTW) who had been in Navalny demonstrations and left after the SMO started didn't really say he left for ideological reasons exactly. He thought the Z stuff was disgusting but he didn't have some meme ideology like these Americans do from the other end.

>>2889864
>But this goes both ways, like what people call color revolutions have their root causes internally.
That's true but the difference between a load of cars getting torched for a night and protesters storming political buildings with the intent to occupy them until regime change occurs, at least in these unrevolutionary times, appears to be USAID.

>If the Evangelicals won the culture war in America then Russia would have roaring gay Pride parades in Moscow out of contrarianism.
Maybe, I agree a lot of the anti-LGBT stuff is probably just abiding by "consensus" with no real strong opinions on it and I do doubt many Russians would be particularly thrilled to understand that's why someone moved to their country.
But I can't agree with the general idea often-espoused on leftypol that the anti-LGBT nature of countries like Russia or other "multipolarista" states are out of contrarianism against Western culture and NGOs.
I think for the politically active that's probably true, but generally I just accept that pro-LGBT sentiment is simply rare in the world at this point in time and most of it is neutrality on the matter, or anti-LGBT but again for the same reason of religion and tradition creating that consensus which, naturally, I expect to eventually disappear as the yoke of imperialism is lifted and development in those regions progresses as history necessitates.

>>2889871
>That's true but the difference between a load of cars getting torched for a night and protesters storming political buildings with the intent to occupy them until regime change occurs, at least in these unrevolutionary times, appears to be USAID.
I think you're really overstating the ability of USAID to mobilize people to storm political buildings and seize them and get into pitched battles with riot cops in Eastern Europe. Like there are American memes and stuff but Ukrainians did that because they're not pussies like la-la-la Americans liberals in the U.S. State Department.

>Maybe, I agree a lot of the anti-LGBT stuff is probably just abiding by "consensus" with no real strong opinions on it … but again for the same reason of religion and tradition creating that consensus
Peer pressure. Also it's generational, like it's a boomer attitude where you like Stalin and don't like gay people. I really don't think it's religion because Russians for the most part are not religious unless they're Muslim. Not to say there's not a spiritual-inclined segment of the population but there's a lot of churn there. The whole former Eastern Bloc with maybe the exception of Poland doesn't really have an American-style religious conservative movement as best as I can tell. It's all very secular. The first LGBT team sent to Eurovision was Russian. Really there's just not really strong committment to any of this stuff. Like what "traditions" are we talking about. Russia is a bastard federation with a half-dozen different ones (which means no true one) and is also a very urban, very educated, quite feminist, atheistic middle-income country. You can order food from the app anywhere. Something like 50%+ of the economy is dominated by services. Putinism is on some perverted space monkeys with blasters shit because of memes.

>>2889907
I have more in mind the semi-recent protests in Georgia, where a law that was to make people who receive significant foreign funding (I.e USAID) register as foreign agents, was decried as an alien, "Russian" law (despite the US also having this law) and ended up with protests trying to occupy political buildings in support of a French woman who seemed to be trying to take control.

In that case, I've no doubt that Georgians have legit issues with their government, that's par for the course with bourgeois governments, but it's rare that such circumstances just come to be so neatly.

The problem is that in most other places where there's much dissatisfaction with the government, the people are usually at each other's throats over what should be done, there isn't often a nice little packaged revolution against policy that fucks with US interests and a revolutionary leader from NATO to rally behind.

>>2889907
>Russia is a bastard federation with a half-dozen different ones (which means no true one) and is also a very urban, very educated, quite feminist, atheistic middle-income country. You can order food from the app anywhere. Something like 50%+ of the economy is dominated by services. Putinism is on some perverted space monkeys with blasters shit because of memes.
I'm going to have to plead ignorance there chief, I've been to Moscow which was very cosmopolitan and therefore I'd be inclined to agree but then as so many online would hasten to remind me, that's not all of Russia.

Like it's basically a strawman argument when it's suggested that the accusation of some protest being a Colour Revolution is the accusation that all was fine in that society until the US decided to manufacture mass hysteria there with their massive amounts of money.

That, in fact, is called Sanctions.

>>2889918
Yeah there's provincial Russia and Moscow / St. Pete Russia but I'm not at all convinced there's some magical trad civilizational Russian culture that is more than a hallucination in the minds of boomers and internet posters. It's not the actual Russian culture that exists at the moment. It's more a lot of rap music and weeb memes because Russia (like the rest of the world) is undergoing tectonic shifts in cultural consumption. This one is a banger.

Back on this ideology stuff though. Like I don't live there yeah, but you read about people getting visited by the cops for either being too gay or too anti-gay, pro-Ukraine or anti-Ukraine, too fascist or too anti-fascist, too feminist or anti-fascist, too pro-war or too anti-war, too pro-Muslim or too anti-Muslim. That's some radical centrism. Jail for all ideology havers. Millions must learn not to have political opinions.

>>2889925
>Millions must learn not to have political opinions.
Basically like anywhere else then really

>>2889925
>Back on this ideology stuff though. Like I don't live there yeah, but you read about people getting visited by the cops for either being too gay or too anti-gay, pro-Ukraine or anti-Ukraine, too fascist or too anti-fascist, too feminist or anti-fascist, too pro-war or too anti-war, too pro-Muslim or too anti-Muslim. That's some radical centrism. Jail for all ideology havers. Millions must learn not to have political opinions.
Sounds like a effective anti-idpol, anti-spook policy. Communism is the true center and Russia is following the old path.

Also, talk about memes that cast doubts on Russia's commitment to Religious Conservatism..

Yes! This song entertains the existence of aliens, heresy in the Christian faith!

>On August 10, 2026, a Ukrainian court sentenced Bogdan Syrotiuk, a 27-year-old Trotskyist and opponent of the US-NATO war against Russia, to 15 years in prison on charges of “high treason” under martial law. The court also ordered the confiscation of his property and the destruction of the program, brochures and leaflets of his organization, the Young Guard of Bolshevik-Leninists (YGBL).
https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/freebogdan.html
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/08/12/xkkq-a12.html

He was arrested on April 25th last year and Ukraine blocked the WSWS at the same time.
https://www.racket.news/p/ukraine-detains-socialist-writer

<The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasbourg has accepted the case of Bogdan Syrotiuk.
>Syrotiuk’s lawyers have based their complaint on the fact that Syrotiuk’s arrest on April 25, 2024 was in violation of his basic right to liberty. They argue that Bogdan, who was 25 and in poor health at the time of his arrest, at no point constituted a danger to society, had no prior criminal record, and was arrested purely for the expression of his political beliefs.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/07/23/hvhq-j23.html

>>2890120
saw the reddit comments on this, kill every redditor

New invisible mass mobilisation ‘bouta drop in Russia, just after the elections apparently, Ukraine kindly requests that all Russians panic immediately.

The only things they have enough of is coke

>>2890184
>hE dEsErVeD iT!!
But if someone in the US went to jail for criticizing Trump they would lose their shit. Ukraine can do no wrong.
>Roger Waters calls for release of Ukrainian Trotskyist Bogdan Syrotiuk
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/05/09/qeli-m09.html
Western media isn't going to cover this at all, and if they do, they'll call him pro-Russian, which will justify whatever happens to him in the heads of their readers.

>>2890195
I do rate Rodger Waters, he’s probably the only anti-war celebrity that remains anti-war long after everyone’s pussed out over being asked
>So you SUPPORT Assad gassing civilians do you? Hmmm!? Eh!?

>Almost 70% of Poles support a bill to deport unemployed Ukrainians from Poland so they can fight in Russia, according to the newspaper Rzeczpospolita.

>The idea of ​​deporting Ukrainians was put forward by President Nawrocki's Law and Justice party.

I can't see how they won't turn this into a nightmare for ukraininians in poland: work discrimination actively pursued by poles, will make many ukranians unemployed.
at some point, many will regret leaving to poland, instead of Russia.

>>2890184
>>2890120
that's why I ask to the stupid person that lives in lvov and comes to post here to show me if he can wave the communist flag while spitting the face of bandera in any of the bandera plazas and bandera squares in lvov.
but of course, 'it's the same shithole as Russia' won't do it.

>The driver shortage at bakeries has reached approximately 30%, reported Oleksandr Taranenko, First Vice President of the Bakers Association.

>Currently, drivers often work over 340 hours per month. This is very physically demanding, so not everyone can handle it. Furthermore, we can only provide exemptions to 50% of those liable for military service. An unexempted driver won't last long, Taranenko said.

cake delivery status?
the cake was always a lie

>In the next 50 years, Ukraine must focus on war, not the economy, said former Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Zaluzhny:

>Ukraine's future is tied to security. Anyone who tells you there should be an economy is a charlatan. In the next 50 years, Ukraine will only care about security.
lmao, the next ukranian identity: war.

the contrast of ukraine in two videos.
in one, a man is sitting on a bench, yells at the tcc that he has a heart condition, he can't be mobilized.
the surprising event is that a very young kid, maybe in his 11s, 10s, 12s? throws an object at one of the tcc's face, correctly landing a hit.
the second, a kid is disguised as a tcc, because it's fun. boasts that he has captured '10 people'.
the contradictions for whatever is left in ukraine in the future, or what I call copekraine, are going to be catastrophic, if not the end of whatever remains.

>>2890209
Volkssturm is democracy and freedompilled.

>>2890198
>to poland, instead of Russia.
it's almost as if poland was more than twice richer than russia

>>2890246
Would that be true without the EU I wonder? Would it be if Russia wasn’t perpetually sanctioned to one degree or another?

>>2890251
only 1.7x in 2010

>>2890246
poland is economically imperialist and russia isn't so that would make sense

>>2890252
In 2010 Poland was already integrated in the Western imperialist bloc and Russia was already its target.

without the eu we'd probably get here slower
the other question is nonsense, russians have a natural urge to go ooga booga so they'd get sanctioned sooner or later