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>>>/leftypol_archive/489758>>>/leftypol_archive/490907>Protests started for gas prices raise two days ago>Rapidly became widespread>Government resigned few hours ago<Protestors started storming palaces of government and institutions all around the country>CSTO called in, effect unclear yet>no response yet from the westOld thread full, continue discussion here
The Russian military will also be in the peacekeeping contingent sent to Kazakhstan by the Collective Security Council.
As we learned, a special forces company of the 76th Airborne Division, as well as a company of the 45th Airborne Special Forces Brigade, received the command from Russia. Several more special forces brigades are on high alert.
The address of the Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan appeared on the official website of the President of Russia,
https://t.me/rentv_news/29453>Even though Israel’s relationship with Kazakhstan has become noticeably closer since Netanyahu began his second stint as Israeli prime minister in 2009, Kazakhstan has been the lynchpin of Israel’s Central Asia strategy since the early 1990s. Israel is Kazakhstan’s fifth largest Asian trade partner, and imports over $1.4 billion worth of goods from Kazakhstan each year.
>The oil industry is the principal driver of Israel’s economic links with Kazakhstan. Israel imports 25 percent of its oil from Kazakhstan. Chen Bar-Yosef, the Managing Director of the Israeli National Infrastructure Ministry’s Fuel Authority, has praised the quality of Kazakhstan’s oil, and has encouraged Kazakh manufacturers to sell oil directly to Israeli private companies.
>Kazakh policymakers believe that Israel could indirectly assist Kazakhstan’s attempts to increase its oil exports to East Asia. In November 2006, Kazakhstan’s Deputy Prime Minister Karim Masimov announced that Kazakhstan would expand its investments in Haifa’s oil refineries.
>Masimov has also called for an extension of the Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan (BTC) Pipeline to Israel. Should the BTC pipeline expand to Israel, Israel’s oil terminals at Ashkelon and Eilat could be used to increase Kazakh oil shipments to Europe and East Asia.
>In addition to importing Kazakh oil, Israel has played a prominent role in assisting President Nursultan Nazarbayev’s economic diversification efforts. Israeli business leaders have been especially vocal supporters of closer Israel-Kazakhstan investment linkages.
>Nimrod Novik, vice president of Israeli multinational Merhav, lobbied the Israeli government to invest in Kazakhstan during the 1990s, claiming that Kazakhstan is “one of the wealthiest countries in the world underground, and one of the least developed above ground.” Israeli policymakers heeded Novik’s advice. By 2009, 52 major Israeli companies had established business operations in Kazakhstan.
>Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak has also used his close relationship with Nazarbayev to advance Israel’s business interests in Kazakhstan. Barak spoke to Nazarbayev in late 2014 about how Israel could help Kazakhstan harness its industrial innovation potential and improve the quality of its health services. Further advances in these fields will ensure that Israel remains a vital economic partner for Kazakhstan, even as Astana strengthens its alliance with Iran.
>Israel and Kazakhstan have been counterterrorism partners for almost two decades. Kazakhstan’s fear of terrorist attacks rose precipitously during the mid-1990s, due to the rising presence of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) and Hizb ut-Tahrir, the destabilization created by the Tajikistan civil war, and blowback from the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan. The Kazakh military believed that a closer relationship with Israel would strengthen its counterterrorism efforts, as Israel had decades of experience combating Palestinian terror organizations.
>According to a 2014 Jamestown Foundation report, Israel-Kazakhstan security cooperation increased dramatically after the 9/11 attacks. Israel became a natural ally for Kazakhstan after 9/11 because of its ability to produce sophisticated missiles, air defense systems, and stealth weaponry. Kazakh policymakers also believed that closer ties with Israel would reciprocally strengthen Kazakhstan’s security links with the United States and the European Union. As Kazakhstan was seeking to reduce its security dependency on China and Russia, Kazakh policymakers responded cordially to Israel’s diplomatic overtures.
>Recent Israeli actions in Kazakhstan reveal the strength of the Jerusalem-Astana relationship. The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) have trained Kazakh military forces to use Iron Dome technology, and repeatedly held joint military exercises in Kazakh facilities.https://thediplomat.com/2016/07/the-israel-kazakhstan-partnership/ Kazakhstan? Don't you mean, minor Zionist Occupied East Asia?? >>491455>>491457How stupid are you guys. It's a 4chan troll making shit up. They linked a random article that says nothing of what they wrote.
Smarten up
>>491474So looking at number 7 might be because state owned companies are partially owned by the oligarchs and the subsidies go to their pockets? Note it
doesnt say privaisation, just end of subsidies. Still slightly confused but yeah.
Also I am trying to look up kazakh recycling policy but all the kazakh websites are down due to the internet ban lamo
>>491480See:
>>491478 Iit sounds weird but yeah.
>>491483makes sense, and that is money taken by taxes from proles
prole wages->"national industry"->ogliarchs that actually own it
>>491493Oh I thought there would be some under the "glowie" tag
Maybe it's just pics then
>>4914741)Based
2) Based
3)Gigabased and Stalinpilled
4) Already happened
5) Potentially based
6) EXTRA based
7) Ultra cringe
8) ???
9) INSANELY BASED
10) Based
11) Again based
12) Not gonna happen anyways.
Overall, 7.75/10
Would seriously consider voting for such a party in my own country.
>>4914967 is to stop subsidizing enterprises tho.
Their national state companies have major parts of them being owned by private (and even foreign) enterprises, they refer to that.
>>491498Yeah i know but if they do that without nationalizing the private shares of State corps they'd essentially bankrupt them.
>>491501One of my EU4 all times favorite is Transoxiana, which is modern day Turkmenistan.
Can get strong pretty fast under the right circumstances.
>>491514Hordes were always busted.
For me, it's going Coptic Kongo tribal government into horde and razing everything but gold provinces
>>491521 (me)
don't fall for pseuds "communists" that claim to be communists, yet never achieved shit through political discourse and ended up not only forced to illegalization but also crushed by neo-nazis.
>>491521>>491522Ok the Ukrainian communists made a mistake and things turned against them. Doesn't mean anything, it's a totally different situation in Kazakhstan, nationally and geopolitically. And relevant communist orgs were already deemed illegal by the government so you could say the fascists are already in power.
Anyway I'm just gonna watch Blumenthal be real quiet about Kazakshan for fear of loosing his RT job.
>>491528But the funniest shit is that their debt to Gdp ratio is 27,6%, meaning that all this gas prices hike shit which started everything in the first place was ENTIRELY POINTLESS AND AVOIDABLE.
At this point I wouldn't exclude that someone hiked gas prices on purpose to provoke popular anger from the beginning, as schizo as it may sound.
Bank bros we got too cocky
https://twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211/status/1478936177340264451?s=20All Kazakhstani financial institutions have suspended their activities
Press Secretary of the National Bank Ramazanov: financial organizations of Kazakhstan have suspended their activities
"The Agency of the Republic of Kazakhstan for the Regulation and Development of the Financial Market and the National Bank of Kazakhstan, taking into account the conduct of counter-terrorism operations by law enforcement agencies and taking into account temporary disruptions in the Internet, .. report a temporary suspension of the activities of all financial organizations," Ramazanov said
MOSCOW, January 6 - RIA Novosti. All financial organizations in Kazakhstan have suspended their activities against the backdrop of a counter-terrorist operation and disruptions in the Internet, the Khabar 24 TV channel reports with reference to the press secretary of the National Bank Olzhas Ramazanov .
He noted that this measure is also aimed at protecting the health and life of employees and clients of financial institutions.
Mass protests in Kazakhstan began in the early days of 2022. Then the residents of the cities of Zhanaozen and Aktau in the Mangistau region - an oil-producing region in the west of the country - opposed a two-fold increase in prices for liquefied petroleum gas, then the protests spread to other cities. In Alma-Ata , the old capital of the republic, on January 4 and 5, clashes with security forces occurred, the police used gas and stun grenades. Throughout Kazakhstan, the Internet was turned off, and the broadcasting of a number of TV channels was temporarily stopped.
On January 5, Tokayev introduced a state of emergency for two weeks in the Mangistau and Almaty regions , as well as in Alma-Ata and Nur-Sultan . This regime provides, in particular, a curfew from 23.00 to 7.00, a ban on holding mass events, strikes and the sale of weapons, as well as strengthening the protection of especially important facilities. On the same day, the state of emergency - also until January 19 - was extended to the entire territory of Kazakhstan.
On the morning of January 5, Tokayev dismissed the government and headed the republic’s Security Council, removing the first head of state, Nursultan Nazarbayev , from this post . In addition, the President stressed that the authorities will act as tough as possible in relation to the offenders, and promised in the near future "to come out with a new package of proposals."
On the night of January 6, Tokayev held the first meeting of the Security Council under his leadership, at which he called the situation in Kazakhstan "an undermining of the integrity of the state" and said that he had asked the CSTO for help "in overcoming the terrorist threat." On the same night, the CSTO Collective Security Council decided to send collective peacekeeping forces to Kazakhstan in connection with Tokayev's appeal. The force, it was reported, will be sent for a limited time period with the aim of stabilizing and normalizing the situation in that country.
>>491531see
>>491466There is genuine reason for these protests.
Western glowies will use it as an opportunity to whine about CSTO but ignore them. They also want the protests quashed because the protestors were demanding better wages at American owned factories. They will complain publically and at the same time support the intervention secretly.
>>491531It sure is suspicious that not only does the CIA hope that the protests are liberal so they can hurt BRI and russia, but russia wants the protests to be liberal as an excuse to crack down on them. Everybody seems to want the protestors to be liberal so that they can justify attacking or defending them.
It's blackpilling when you consider that the banned communist party of kazakhstan probably heavily supports these protests, but still gets called a "glow op" by braindead westerners and russiatoday watchers alike.
>>491470see
>>491434I'm not talking about people that are actually from Venezuela
>>491536If we have material proofs of protasavich supporting this, if we already saw the ruomaidan, we are sus
Communists require to organize so they can get public support from everywhere.
>>491531This whole happening is sus from the beginning.
Why would they hike gas prices (a classic austerity measure) when they got nearly no debt?
Ben Norton just post straight up lies to be a mouth piece for Putin and so does the rest of his cadre of friends. Used to respect these people but days like this their agenda becomes so clear.
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/556991/kazakhstan-opposition-party-calls-for-protests-dec-16-gatherings-possible-in-major-cities (nothing to do with usa)
Protest were announced on december 16th as you see here by a party so us embassy alerts people these are happening and does their gay allow people to protest freely press release.
Then today there is protest and they do same messaging after. Ben Norton post completely distorted tweets to make it look like us embassy alerted people themselves to go out and protest and organized it. I'm not trusting people who lie like this so brazenly
https://kz.usembassy.gov/ check the alerts yourself
>>491540Please make it real.
I want to believe!
>>491531By that logic we should denounce the USSR entirely because the United States talked positively about them during WWII. We should denounce figures such as Fidel Castro because the United States talked positively about them before he went mask off communist. We should denounce MLK because the US media speaks highly of him past his death.
Hell while we're at it, let's cast aside any support (critical or otherwise) for Venezuala seeing as they're on good relations with Turkey!
No one's denying this protest can't be co-opted by the CIA and other imperialist institutions, it can, but we also have to understand the factions within this protest that are set about bringing genuine revolution.
>But they're trOtSDon't care, maybe they can actually redeem the tendency's shit reputation in this possible revolution.
If they're feds, shit sucks, but I'm not going to outright denounce them
JUST YET.
>>491531Support of protests shouldnt hinge on whether they are convenient to one national bourgeoisie or another, but on their class character and the socialist nature of their demands
This isnt Belarus (petite bourg/pmc, muh free elections), Ukraine (petite bourg, chauvinist, joining EU) or Cuba (also petite bourg/gusano, astroturfed)
see
>>491474 >>491549Are you even reading the tweet? He's saying they announced 3 weeks beforehand. They posted an alert when there was protest on December 16th
Then posted again when there was protest today. There was advanced warning anywhere. It's alerting Americans who are there that there is protest happening at the moment.
Nothing Ben is saying is right
>>491554Event: Protests continue in multiple cities throughout Kazakhstan. Continued heightened security presence is expected as well as public transport disruptions, intermittent internet network outages, and interruptions to electronic banking transactions.
According to reports, clashes in Almaty between riot police and protesters have turned violent and crowds have broken into government buildings. Both protesters and police have reported injuries. Emergency services such as hospitals and poly-clinics have been affected. Authorities have declared a state of emergency in Mangystau, Almaty, and Nur-Sultan, and other cities may follow.
U.S. government personnel are advised to avoid demonstration areas and shelter in place, and avoid standing next to balconies, or windows, and stay indoors whenever possible.
Even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and escalate into violence. You should avoid demonstrations and exercise caution in the vicinity of any large gatherings or protests.
Consulate General Almaty will be closed to visitors on Thursday, January 6 with personnel tele-working. All U.S. citizen services and visa interview appointments have been postponed for Embassy Nur-Sultan and Consulate General Almaty.
Actions to Take:
Avoid the areas of demonstrations.
Exercise caution if unexpectedly in the vicinity of large gatherings or protests.
Monitor local media for updates.
For Assistance: The U.S. Embassy is located at Rakhymzhan Koskharbayev Ave., No. 3, Nur-Sultan 010010. If you are a U.S. citizen in need of urgent assistance, the emergency after-hours number for the U.S. Embassy is +7 7172 70 22 00.
The U.S. Consulate General Almaty is located at Samal-2, 97 Zholdasbekov Street, Almaty, 050051. If you are a U.S. citizen in need of urgent assistance, the emergency after-hours number for the U.S. Consulate General is 8 777 0072359.
>>491544>holodomor momumentyep, seems to me euromaidan, more and more.
Even if you don't want to connect the dots, see what the where they are gathering.
(Straight making shit up to fedjacket) >>491558Overthrowing the U.S. will be the major favor to the world and proletariats in general.
This anon is about right:
>>491553 >>491546Protests are not nations nor civil rights leaders. Also I'm not denouncing the real grievances that those people have. I am feeling fishy about the way they will be managed/influenced by the world's most powerful people, as everyone else is ITT.
>>491535Good point I still have questions. Do US embassies report on every protest in the world, or just ones they deem legitimate?(…) Why did the embassy in Kazakhstan send out a similar notice weeks ago? Did protests happen then too? My sus radar is still off the charts.
Did this shit happen with the Maidan coup? I was too young to pay attention back then, to be honest.
>>491548Do you really know all that about this protest? How can you be sure about its class character based on generalisations of nations?
>>491561>You're jumping to conclusions without enough reliable informationI'm simply founding a momentary conclusion based on the facts at hand at presently. None of what I said was speculative.
>Take a step back and do some research.Care to be more specific?
>>491563You can figure out the class character through its actual demands.The Belarusian opposition is explicitly neoliberal and petite bourgeois/pmc with no economic demands (like lowering retirement age, expanding social security, raising minimum wage, nationalization, forming unions/co-ops) except mass privatization/shock therapy, de-regulation, lowering taxes (including for businesses), dismantling state firms and firing their employees, etc
The Kazakh protestor demands are the opposite of that
>>491563Us embassy regularly warns u.s citizens in foreign nations of protest here are some recent examples.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TravelGovFrom a optics and practicality stand point it would be a PR nightmare to have an American die by foreign forces in these events for a us president. These alerts just get very little attention unless it is something major on news
>>491564>You're missing the point with all this hair splitting. Capitalism may be far from ideal, but it is better to have it run by anti-imperialist leaders who can redirect capitalism to serve the people, as opposed to a "socialist" movement which will invite western backed capitalism.>Russian and American capitalist puppet has a worker's strike for better conditions, including at majority American owned factories>based anti-imperialist Russia should roll in the tanks to kill the strikers and armed protestors to stop the fake socialists from inviting in western capital that is already there.Glowing.
You didn't read any of the thread did you? Are you an actual bot? None of what you said was even brought up by other people.
>>491567Shay being the voice of reason in a serious current event thread, damn. This really is the bizarro timeline.
Shay make an onlyfans to bait coomers but make all the content political commentary.
>>491578>anti-western capitalism is more a threat to capitalism Imagine believing this
>sell itselfThis was already done by ML states decades ago
Name one "Trot" state that did this
It's 11am in Almaty. Is there any recent news?
>>491583might be a mod trying to stop it turning into a board-celeb circlejerk
>>491579I know this is probably confusing to you, considering you clearly aren't well read, but once you factor in Marxist metaphysics you can clearly see that this shit is much more complicated than "capitalist thing bad socialist thing good". True, capitalism is bad, but the context of capitalism is almost as important as capitalism itself, and in the context of capitalism here it is being used to maintain a Soviet Republic longing to reintegrate with its motherland. Putin is setting the stage to reform the Soviet Union sometime this year, as such a temporary period of state oriented capitalism (which is indeed socialism, read Mao and Deng) is necessary both to build up the material conditions and productive forces and lull the capitalist world into a false sense of security. America sponsored this glowie uprising because they caught wise to the fact Kazakhstan wasn't in their grasp as they thought, and their Trotskyite puppets are dancing to their tune just like in the 30's. Ipso facto, when we look into Marx's view of history and its pattern for repetition, we can see that this battle is not nearly as simple as "capitalism vs socialism", but "western decadence vs eastern productivity", the later of which is much more amiable to the development of healthy socialism.
>>491584You are like the other poster neglecting the inherent complexities of socialist dialectics. Take for example the Molotov Rippentrop pact, certainly at first glance to the untrained eye this would seem a "betrayal" of the revolution, and Trots naturally took advantage of this surface level observation to rally support to their faction from workers who lacked true class consciousness. However one who has sufficiently read and understood Marx and Lenin could see that move for the brilliance it entails: by allowing these two opposing entities to join, it forced the manifestation of the dialectic, as every action must have an equal and opposite reaction. Thermodynamics, dialectics, thermodialectics if you will. Much in the same way would it be all too easy for us to throw support to these Trotskyite liberalizers, when it is in fact because of its opposition to socialism that we must support the current government as doing so is necessary for the contradictions inherent in the system to fully manifest themselves much as they did in World War 2.
>>491586>this is what westernoids believePutin has had twenty year to seize the ill gotten gains of the Russian capitalist class and what has he done instead? Smeared socialism, allied with reactionaries, raised retirement age, propped up the corrupt church, enriched his bourgeois allies, and recently his party stole the election from the KRPF who were set to win the majority of seats in places like Moscow
He had over twenty years to "build up the productive forces" where did all the money go?
>America sponsored this glowie uprisingThe protest started after gas price hikes
>"western decadence vs eastern productivity"This is fascist drivel, literally variation of
>>491559>Soviet Republic longing to reintegrate with its motherlandStop watching RT or wherever you people get this nonsense from
>>491589>Putin has had twenty year to seize the ill gotten gains of the Russian capitalist class and what has he done instead? Smeared socialism, allied with reactionaries, raised retirement age, propped up the corrupt church, enriched his bourgeois allies, and recently his party stole the election from the KRPF who were set to win the majority of seats in places like Moscow>He had over twenty years to "build up the productive forces" where did all the money go?It is tragic that you are so short sighted, but I suppose again this is an inevitable conclusion of one going down the utopian route and looking to Marxism as a battle of "good vs evil" rather than as a series of conjugating and contradicting conflicts that shape all sides ultimately refining our species towards a better future, which is the true socialism Marx and Lenin speak of. Socialism is also a process, a changing of phases, Russia's material conditions had sadly collapsed due to Yeltsin and needed heavily restructuring if it was to survive as a socialist state in the modern era, hence Putin's tutelage. By having a paternal leading figure, a state can safely build up capitalism and ready itself for a strong transition into socialism, and due to socialist metaphysics this makes it already socialist by its intent. The KRPF wasn't put down due to Putin being anti-communist, but rather because they were trying to jump the gun and end the paternal autocracy period necessary, as outlined by Sun Yat Sen, whom as we all know is the predecessor to Mao Zedong himself. There is a lot of subtlety involved in this conflict that is clearly going way over your head, and I strongly urge you to do some further reading and ask real Russians their real opinions before spewing state department propaganda on behalf of the United States.
>Putin is setting the stage to reform the Soviet Union sometime this year, as such a temporary period of state oriented capitalism There's no fucking way you actually believe this.
>>491597>Maidan coup is the only movement that has ever happenedI hate you faggots, you learn about two events and think it's enough to apply to everything that subsequently happens, fucking pathetic tbh
>>491598>We know "unorganized"/"leaderless" protests don't exist.Uh…. no. That's wrong. In fact it often happens that you see spontaneous protests if there is something affecting a large number of people, without any leadership or organization. What a strange assertion to make and to then rest your point on.
>So who is organizing these protests?This is paranoiac thinking. "We don't currently see proletarian leadership, so someone else is and it's fishy." It may be that there is organization happening by someone else but to take this as a given is unreasonable, especially given the purported cause of the protests being an economic situation that has a widespread effect on consumers. If anything is orchestrated it makes more sense for the national policy to be than the response to it.
>>491592>future of the speciesIs irrelevant. There is only the lived lives and experiences of workers, and the forces of capital trying to control and exploit us
If I am shortsighted it is because I realize that it is my immediate (class) interests that matter, and not excuses by capitalists and revisionists who want to keep us waiting for decades. The point of socialism is not to wait for the "productive forces to develop" until capitalist are comfortable handing them over, but to seize power for the working class and use it to abolish itself
>ask real RussiansI have Russian friends, what you are saying is bs
>>491597Demanding to join the EU is not the same as protests over inflation
>>491598There is proletarian leadership - seen in its demands - but no revolutionary party ready to take over
>>491610>There is proletarian leadership - seen in its demands - but no revolutionary party ready to take overThere's no evidence that the demands are representative of the whole of the protest movement or even a plurality. It's safer to assume that different groups are protesting united by some shared interests, but these groups probably have many disagreements too. Have any other lists of demands been publicized yet?
>>491611Yea, that explains why there is no overt communist leadership. But what about non-communist workers' organizations like unions, have we heard anything from them?
>>491608The twitter post is self explanatory, presumably some communist in Belarus conversed with a communist in Kazakhstan. But like you said, we don't know the details of these two people.
>>491615Then you don't know what a communist or socialist revolution is. They need a leadership. Not one single successful communist revolution has ever existed without leadership during the praxis epochs.
Believing the contrary is fairy tale.
>>491621Where did I say this was a communist or socialist revolution? We're talking about whether the present unrest is a response from the regular working people of Kazakhstan or some kind of op. Whether it's a real communist revolution isn't what I was talking about. I was addressing this post
>>491598 which implied there has to be some kind of leadership behind it. If there isn't (which looks plausible right now) then the communists in Kazakhstan need to fix that.
The Virginia district of CPUSA published an article going over the situation in Kazakhstan, for those interested.
https://vacpusa.org/2022/01/05/stand-with-kazakhstan/ tl;dr, this uprising reeks of a Western-backed color revolution in the vein of Ukraine, HK, etc.
>It is well known that Kazakhstan is a very important player in several key geopolitical formations. It is a member of the CIS and CSTO; it is also a key supporter of China’s Belt and Road Initiative. In clearest terms, it is a key strategic ally to both China and Russia. So, naturally, a destabilized Kazakhstan would be a big win for imperialist forces, such as those dumping over $777 billion into “defense,” with the stated priority of stopping the rise of Socialist China. Geographically speaking, with the failures of imperialist expeditions in Afghanistan and attempts to manufacture a narrative of genocide in Xinjiang, Kazakhstan is the natural next target. To compromise Kazakhstan would mean to paralyze the entirety of central Asia, and create a “soft underbelly” in the midst of the emerging alliance of China, Russia, and Iran.
>Reports surrounding the situation in Kazakhstan now contain indicators that will come as no surprise to those who have been following the development of “color revolutions,” which came to prominence as an imperialist tactic with Ukraine’s Maidan revolution of 2014, which saw the country split almost completely down the middle between western-backed liberal and neo-Nazi forces, and those supporting the Russian Federation and a return of Communism.
>The U.S. State Department is, at the very least, well aware of the situation and which forces are active on the ground, as indicated by its warning from the embassy of demonstrations being put on in December by another outlawed political faction: Democratic Choice of Kazakhstan (QDT). No such announcements were made regarding the actions being undertaken by other forces on the ground.
>As is standard practice at this point in attempted color revolutions, the QDT are suspected of receiving direct and indirect support from the United States, as indicated by the above, as well as through more difficult-to-trace back channels such as the National Endowment for Democracy, a well known conduit for US foreign imperialism, which has been pumping money into Kazakhstan. It is worth noting here that, as far as Kazakh politics goes, the QDT stands as the most likely favorite for US imperialist interests. Founded and led by overt capitalists, such as current leader, billionaire, and alleged embezzler Mukhtar Ablyazov, their political platform reads like a CIA wish list: neoliberalism, populist nationalism, and anti-China militancy.
>Confirmation or refutation regarding the involvement of the QDT or any other organized group in the current crisis is yet to appear, but we see here clear parallels to the actions surrounding the failed color revolutions in Belarus, Hong Kong, and elsewhere over the past several years.Note also, it seems the NED has been quite busy in Kazakhstan over the past few years:
https://www.ned.org/region/eurasia/kazakhstan-2020/>>491626Ok, seems indeed a color revolution.
>>491630Oh, anon, sorry to hear your concerns about Bana Alabed, I am so sorry you are too concerned about that.
>>491626The first pic demands was debunked earlier in thread
>neolib is when you lower food prices lol
>>491614True. This will fizzle without
>>491616I get what you mean, but there is no pro-EU hype here except some protester saying he wanted to live like people in Sweden/Norway
>>491620>There's no evidence that the demands are representative of the whole of the protest movementTrue, coming days will show who will win and if protests will continue
>>491636Who
How do you know
Are you in kazakhstan? Are you just assuming?
If in Kazakhstan, tell us more pls.
>>491640Source tho?
>AFPWhy should I trust them?
>>491642Don't worry friend I got the Russian version approved by Lord Putin!
The police officers had to struggle to defend the communist revolutionary president of kazahstan against invading terrorist forces!
https://sputniknews.com/20220106/shootout-underway-in-almaty-kazakhstan-as-servicemen-encircle-rioters-amid-violent-protests-1092053274.html >>491645Not a putin supporter buddy.
It's just that you showed up an AFP twitter post with just the AFP logo and, I mean, if it was a colour revolution, this is definitemy something they would do, just proclaim something, not prove it, and that's it.
>>491560Yeah no, the legal “communist” party is fake opposition careerists that split from the CPK. They don’t do shit for the workers and just participate in the rubber-stamp process of the elites.
The revolt we see now is very similar to the October revolution where the working class spontaneously protested after decades of clandestine organizing and falling material conditions of their society, leading to all groups from Communist to liberals to participate. There’s very little reason not to back the angry workers and the more organized SMK and CPK in this revolt
>>491619Yeah, just that this other list did described them differently, which confused me:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Kazakhstan#Parties_represented_in_the_Mazhilisbut yes, reading the description its clear they're spineless cucks
>>491650Yeah I was mixing up PPK and CPK earlier ITT.
>Yeah no, the legal “communist” party is fake opposition careerists that split from the CPK. They don’t do shit for the workers and just participate in the rubber-stamp process of the elites.I see.
>SMK and CPK More focus should be on these in this thread instead of this endless peculation about meta or foreign forces
>>491658Yep, civil war time.
Post thread theme
>>491655>right under a video of "protesters" robbing a bank Good and Stalin pilled
>and stealing RPGs from the militaryGood and Mao pilled
The fuck are you trying to say
>>491662RT will be calling them terrorist very soon and explaining why they deserved it. Then all the RT adjacent journalist will search for any documentation they can spam out to call the protestors radical or CIA funded so they can rationalize them all dying.
It was simply defending the people's Republic of Kazakhstan and their communist leader or for right wingers there uh anti vaccine or anti globohomo leader they can picture in their head
>>491661It's disengenous to call them protesters. Call them Insurrectionists, rebels, or something.
>>491662What this anon said too. Just because the people are trying to overthrow a corrupt government doesn't mean they're necessarily better or even going to do much besides throw the country into turmoil only the have the original regime come out on top.
>>491658Dows anyone know where this happened?
Is it on the russian side of kazakhstan or on the kazakh side?
we've always had dipshit 14 year old-tier campists but when did they start pushing majority status here?
>>491553oh, never mind
>>491657I know a bit about the ISA and CWI given that I live in Seattle and know some trots. So basically what happened is that there was some nasty accusations of power tripping, favoritism of some national branches over others, and poor handling of rape allegations that imploded the organization so bad it went through multiple rounds of splits that killed the organization as an international body. If these trots are anything like the ones in Seattle they probably have tried to make allies in trade unions and run a bunch of front organizations where they do activism work exposing and trying to fix whatever injustice is going on.
The CPK, going by their Wikipedia page, seem to have been split up and made illegal to prevent them from gaining power, with the only head of the party with a page being in jail several times. Since then they’ve joined some popular fronts of the wider opposition to reform Kazakh democracy and weaken the current ruling oligarchy. I think both organizations are legit and do want to help out, and it seems that those parties with better access to what goes on in the ex-USSR, like KKE, are voicing solidarity to the main workers movements in the country.
You know as a dedicated anti-imperialist usually I'd say ACAB and fuck the cops but these brave policeman today who put down vicious terroristic Nazi protestors who are CIA backed and Ngo and more stuff.
These police officers are comrades fallen defending the legacy of socialist nation of kazahstan and our dear leader president Kassym-Jomart Tokayev who is working to establish communism as we speak. I will keep them in my prayers
https://twitter.com/guyelster/status/1479008993637019654?s=20>>491686Outside of any financial incentive they get from RT shows, I think it makes sense given how fast the unreliable US narrative became. The US Glow-Industrial Complex spent decades building her up, recent years criticizing her as a genocidal maniac, and then started simping for her once she got overthrown. That’s not consistent.
Outside of a few bad mishaps the work by the Grayzone team is good at exposing the bullshit, it’s just that with all sources they have biases and are affected by a lack of equal reception to any and all possible information they can get, which is any source. It is insane to throw them out over some bad takes. Just investigate things a little and know their (financial) biases and you should be good.
>>491694Kyrgyzstan, Belarus, and Armenia are also deploying peacekeeping forces
Azerbaijan will probably pitch in as well
>>491686Why do you operate under the impression that the US-NATO empire only attacks socialists?
Further, why even give a shit about what's happening in Myanmar? Beyond the imperialism angle, all you have is a military junta struggling with neoliberals. Not really the sort of conflict you'd have much stake in unless you were looking at the larger geopolitics.
KPRF Statement:
"Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Gennady Zyuganov on mass protests in Kazakhstan"
https://twitter.com/kprf/status/1478865627632873481Translation/ Summation (not mine:
https://twitter.com/NarchoArmChair/status/1478868119808614400):
"The unrest in Kazakhstan, in fact, was provoked by the government itself, which inflated the price of gas by a factor of two. This has hurt many segments of the population, since more than 60% of the consumption of liquefied gas accounts for motor vehicles. At the same time, it is obvious that citizens' discontent is of a broader nature: the prices for everything are going up, while the salaries are low. In general, the oligarchic capital, which has established itself in the post-Soviet space, does not take into account the interests of working people. All of this has led to mass protests. Looking at what is happening in Kazakhstan, there is something for Putin and Mishustin to think about. Prices are skyrocketing in Russia too [..] It is the oligarch's free reign that leads to such consequences. The powers that be are actively exploiting this by declaring a hybrid war on Russia. This time they are trying to take over Kazakhstan, rich in natural resources and having the longest border in the world with our country - more than 7,500 kilometers. It is important to understand that there will be no peace in our expanses without close socio-economic and political-diplomatic ties with the CIS countries. We are encircled by NATO from all sides. The collective West will do everything to destabilize the situation."
>>491715WTF KPRF having the perfect take for once?
If only they weren't so ficking cucked…
>>491712They're not exactly /ourguys/ (as in, they're not organized so they can't do shit) but the case for protest is legit.
They will get massacred brutally and the putinoid simps would justify it by calling them CIA provocators.
>>491724then they are /ourguys/
"if you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine"
>>491626>Maoists Where is there any proof any of the protestors are Maoist?
Also getting a bit sick of this “China does business there, Russia does business there, therefore me westerner says nobody in those countries are allowed to protest” even though Tony fucking Blair was doing spin for them a few years ago and they are a key ally of Israel, economically and strategically. Like yeh, maybe it is a colour revolution and there are some indicators perhaps, but these people have taken what amounts to flimsy “proof” that it’s a CIA something or other and ran with it. The US embassy posting times of the protests makes sense in other contexts, if there is going to be big destabilising possibly violent protests people need to know about it, normal work places do this in my city or if there is a big football game on or something and you’re in the vicinity.
Again, I’m not saying either way, I don’t think there is enough information, I think there are interesting lines of inquiry on both sides, but to immediately be like aha! You see! It was my Twitter enemies from my weird online sectarian hate boner all along! Is so fucking lame
>>491691>i have 0 reliable non biased info>i have 0 knowledge of the country>lets trust the state media of the country that just sent in its militaryare you fuckers this stupid ? did you not notice all the "support" to russia we gave in the past was in the context of nato aggression&propaganda and the benefit of a multipolar world ?
holy shit im starting to think we should ban all the morons than cant observe anything happening without their schizo brain shouting stupid and meaningless buzzwords rather than actually trying to understand a situation, and the paranoid fucks for whom the cia is all powerful and behind every protest in non western country
get a grip you fucks
>>491713terminal burgerbrain. kys
>>491712nobody knows. Prolly not communist, just regular ppl fed up with their gov, with some weak lib demands. They for now have my sympathy at least, as it feel p much like a more radical gilet jaune movement.
>>491725"if you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine"
this tbh
>>491741Yea so basically what
>>491742 is saying is that your directly supporting Russian imperialism on the basis of some cringy neo-con geopolitical realism, just from the perspective of a US adversary rather than the US
You’re supporting Russian intervention against a mass movement of the proletariat, an inherently reactionary action, because Russia, despite being an explicitly capitalist imperialist state, is opposed to the one you live in
In other, other words, you’re doing the equivalent of that meme where Lenin says critical support for Germany in its war against world spanning British imperialism
>>491742>if your point is that opposing NATO is the most important thinglearn to read retard
>more important than opposing oligarchslearn to read retard
>then you’re in support of interventionlearn to read retard
apparently, you are indeed too stupid to comprehend a nuanced take with no support for anyone.
>>491745>it’s nuance!You seem to think that word means something that it doesn’t. It’s not a get-out-of-critique-free card where because you claim the implicit advocation of the intervention of one oligarch state by another to protect oligarchy in general is a “nuanced” take, that means that’s not what is happening.
But it is, Russia is intervening because A. It’s supporting a fellow oligarchy and B. there’s a slight possibility NATO could hijack the situation to install a pro-west government on Russia’s largest border. Making a bigger deal out of B doesn’t make effectively supporting A any less anti-communist.
>>491750I used google Translate to translate an informative post:
What is happening in Kazakhstan? Why did this happen and what is the position of The Red Yurt?
We receive dozens of messages with questions: "What is going on there?" With this post, we want to express our position on what is happening.
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0) The people of Kazakhstan groan under the yoke of the bourgeoisie. Every wave of devaluation, another jump in prices hit the working people. Go through the chronicles of labor over the past few months and you will see that the capitalists, taking away from the working people the gains of Soviet power, drove people into poverty, despair and anger. Constant cuts in social benefits, fines, falling wages and glaring inequality could not go unanswered indefinitely. Although the temporary lull gave the impression of boundless patience among the people, we understood that at any moment a storm could break out, and now - this happened.
1) The unrest that swept through large cities and small towns was preceded by a series of strikes.
Here and there, workers rebelled against bestial working conditions and meager wages. It is obvious that the socio-economic situation of the masses of the people pushes people to fight for their rights. It is also known that any economic struggle always develops into a political one. No one, however, expected that the events would take on such a massive and rapid character. Another, local, as it seemed at first, surge of discontent in a small city in the west of the country, caused by an increase in prices for liquefied gas, in a matter of days grew into protests that swept almost the entire country. Despite the fact that Zhanaozen residents remember the bloody massacre of ten years ago, they again dared to go to the squares. This time they first expressed solidarity and support for small towns, and then large cities in the west. Soon Zhanaozen attracts the attention of the whole country. The government is backing down, but then political slogans are added to the economic slogans and it is no longer about gas, but about changing the ruling regime.
2) Suddenly, Zhanaozen was joined by a regional center close to it - Aktau.
Later, people began to gather in other cities of Western Kazakhstan. Soon, in many major cities of the country, in both capitals (Almaty and Astana), people began to take to the streets in support of protests in the Western regions. Most of the demonstrations were peaceful, but on the last night in Almaty they escalated into mass riots.
3) The authorities have taken the dual position of "carrot and
stick". On the afternoon of January 4, it is announced that gas prices are returning to the old ones, the government is resigning, and with the other hand communication is turned off, entry into cities is blocked, special equipment is introduced, and threats of criminal prosecution are heard. Now the situation seems to be leveling off for the authorities. Protesters have already been dispersed in many cities, and, most importantly, in both capitals it is already relatively calm.
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1) Competitors.
When the first protests began in Zhanaozen, the liberals sang an old song, saying that it was not the workers themselves who were protesting, but they were being attacked by competing corporations and firms.
No one has evidence for these allegations. The New Year's price increase was indeed sharp and unfounded. It is becoming obvious to people that with gas prices, the prices of all vital goods will soar. The notorious middle class becomes poor, and the poor become beggars.
Opposition.
It is not the first year that the odious fugitive oligarch Mukhtar Ablyazov has been broadcasting from Western Europe - a kind of cross between Navalny and Khodorkovsky.
Despite the fact that in Kazakhstan it is outlawed, thanks to financial levers, Ablyazov has his own manual organization in the country. Nationalist movements are still strong in Kazakhstan. Both of these forces immediately began to try to ride the wave of popular protests and impose their slogans. So far, Ablyazov has achieved only a lot of information noise, and Mamay - one of the main nationalists - was detained by the police.
As long as the spontaneity and disorganization of the protesters indicate that these unrest was not originally organized by anyone, it is indeed a disorderly popular
uprising. But then there was an aggressive vector aimed at riots and vandalism, introduced, apparently, by these opposition forces.
3) Provocateurs.
As soon as the protests began to take place in Almaty, the intensity of cruelty immediately intensified.
There were all sorts of provocateurs and instigators of the crowd. It is possible that these people are government workers who will give room for more decisive action on the part of the military and police.
4) Hand of Moscow / West / Beijing / Washington / Erdogan.
Of course, in any protests, someone from the outside is found to
blame. Even when workers in Zhanaozen went on strike, there was a lot of conjecture, attempts to link unrelated events and blame anyone but the chosen economic model. There is no evidence that the current strikes or protests will dramatically benefit any country. It can be taken into account that Kazakhstan is the most open country for investment; Here, Chinese, Russian, American, and British companies host as at home. Nothing needs to be captured. Through pleasing power, everything can already be bought.
5) Determination on the part of the Kazakh authorities.
We must understand that Nazarbayev is not Yanukovych, it is rather Pinochet.
If it is necessary to shoot the crowd, Nazarbayev will shoot it, without looking back at the "Western partners". He is a tough Eastern tyrant and a cunning politician of Lukashenka's level.
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1) Of course, we support the workers of Kazakhstan in their fair demands.
It is time for the oligarchs and the state power that represents their interests to finally listen to the needs of the people!
2) But we cannot yet go to the protest itself as an
organization. We clearly understand that we do not have the broad support of the popular masses, who are not yet aware of the class nature of the contradictions that led to the conflict. Decades of anti-communist propaganda contributed to this. If we take to the streets now, we are likely to become a toy in the hands of nationalists and pro-Western oppositionists. People who seriously claim that we can take to the streets and "catch the hanger" are dreamers.
3) Even if an unlikely scenario occurs and the current Kazakh government is overthrown, nothing will fundamentally change for us - for the Communists.
It's just that there will be other people at the feeder.
4) We are against coups d'état without changing the
formation! We advocate radical transformations of social and political life that will improve the lives of the working majority, provide guarantees of social protection, access to quality education and health care. The problem is not the individuals in power, but the world's dominant socio-economic system. And it can be changed only if the whole nation realizes it, and only in alliance with the working people of other countries. That's what we have to work on.
>>491754lmao pathetic
we do not have support of the masses so we will continue to sit on our ass instead of going to the masses and start working with them
>>491752leftypol 2011
>we should support the libyan rebels guyz. they are fighting a tyrant and he's not a leftist and the rebel win will be a victory for socialismsleftypol 2014
>we should support the syrian rebels guyz. they are fighting a tyrant and he's not a leftist and the rebel win will be a victory for socialismsleftypol 2021
>we should support the khazak rebels guyz….there's always a few of you guys
>>491768And why is it a “glowie movement” again?
Because it happened in a country you were never paying attention to that isn’t in NATO?
Tankies have devolved to the point of supporting various factions of capitalists, fucking putinoid-dengoid worm?
>>491763>muh oLiGaRcHygood thing there's no oligarky's in libya or ukraine anymore since tHe PeOpLeS defeated ThE tYrAnTs.
oh wait, that didn't happen, they just replaced one local oligarky with another, while strengthening the much larger and much worse international oligarky.
Da newest Politsturm shit
https://politsturm.com/protesty-v-kazaxstane-glavnoe/>Right now, there are massive protests across Kazakhstan that have erupted in Zhanaozen over the rise in the price of liquefied gas. What can be said about the situation at the moment?
>1. The rise in gas prices has only become a pretext for popular discontent. The main reason for the protests is the bad situation of the working people of Kazakhstan due to the economic crisis of capitalism.>2. The protests are spontaneous in nature: they began spontaneously, do not have specific goals and unified coordination of actions. The government is trying with all its might to divide the protest, for which the Internet was turned off throughout the country. >3. A significant part of the protest in Kazakhstan is made up of workers at various enterprises. Accusations are also made against employers: for example, employees of the Kazakhmys foundry and mechanical plant demanded better working conditions and higher wages, miners of ArcelorMittal Temirtau refused to go to work and went on strike, etc. >4. The bourgeois authorities of Kazakhstan are trying to reduce the intensity of protests and are making concessions. The government resigned; the authorities promise to reduce gas prices to 50 tenge per liter. The massiveness of the protests is still holding back the bourgeoisie in the repressive suppression of protests, but the situation is heating up. >UPD: Tokayev's bourgeois government is rapidly losing control and asked the CSTO for military assistance and specifically to the imperialist Russian Federation. >5. Among the protesters, economic demands predominate - improvement of living standards, abolition of high gas prices, lower food prices, higher wages, etc. The workers are not yet fully aware of their class interests: the political slogans put forward by the protesters are still scattered and are predominantly bourgeois-democratic in nature - the resignation of the government, change of "regime" and the president.>6. The intensity of the protests and their social orientation were a surpriseeven for the bourgeois "opposition". some of the liberals are afraid of the activity of workers and their demands. Some of the frightened liberals even went over to support the ruling regime under the slogan of “keeping the crowd out of power”. Others are trying to impose their agenda on the protesters>7. The lack of a coherent political program is a consequence of the fact that the working people of Kazakhstan do not have a political organization. Without its own party and its firm leadership, things will not go beyond economic demands and petty-bourgeois political slogans. In the absence of a communist party that consistently guides and guides workers in the struggle for their rights and socialism, the protesters will inevitably fall under the influence of the bourgeoisie and be deceived. >8. However, such mass demonstrations of workers in Kazakhstan have not been for a long time, therefore, the unification of the working masses, even in a spontaneous struggle for their rights, can only be welcomed. >Given the repressive policies of the current ruling group led by the Nur-Otan party, the revitalization of the country's political life paves the way for a serious workers' struggle for their rights and socialism.>9. The growing political activity of the masses inevitably affects the political life of the entire country. If hundreds of thousands of workers, united even by spontaneous demands, were able to shake the bourgeois regime, then with the presence of their own organization, clearly knowing their goals and the path to them, they will be able to win in the struggle against all groupings of the bourgeoisie. An organized political struggle and victory can be achieved only under the leadership of the Communist Party. She's gone now. But it's never too late to work to create it.>10. The main misfortune of the workers and communists of Kazakhstan is fragmentation, lack of organization, spontaneity. We call on all conscientious readers from Kazakhstan to unite, to educate the local community, especially workers, to help organize trade unions and labor collectives, to send us news and any useful information, and also to join the work of the Politsturm in Kazakhstan.>>491778Uhm
What about “glowie this, glowie that” in response to the protesters successfully defeating the government instead of being suppressed and slaughtered?
>>491781Now we must know… whose side is the Kyrgystani government on?
Lads it is time we upped our Stan game. So we can decide who to Stan. I have been thinking it for a while but been too lazy. We should create a Stan general and try to gather all info
>>491767>Implying Tourism only exist if the tourist is foreignYou know there's people who go on tourist places of their own country, right?
Do you think everyone going to the Lenin Mausoleum is a chinese communist?
Or is it maybe a place where a lot of communist gather to see in general? Like, dunno, Russian communists? Or german communists? Or whatever communists?
>Everyone is buddies with Israel and everyone came from Yeltsin era. They all are anticommunists. The thing is, China's influence makes them lose a lot of teeth.Kazakhstan's communist party is banned and China straight out supports Duterte, who is directly waging war against communists in the Philippines.
>Hurr durr real politikChina isn't communist and it stopped being so before the soviet union collapsed, it's a capitalist country which seeks to help it's capitalist class. Stop supporting shit just because of real politik
>bruh they have them on a short lease.You know they could not have capitalists and be done with it, right?
>They're helping third world nations.No, they're buying and making ports, railways and mines in order to have their companies control their resources, extract them and have the chinese companies get more money. You know, imperialism in the leninist sense.
>They need capitalists enterprises to do so.The Soviet Union didn't and it literally gave away industrial equipment to third world nations if they were on their side (reason why a lot of third world countries became soviet-aligned btw)
>But uh they're fighting NATO imperialismIn order to impose their own imperialism or mantain the imperialism they have going, like Germany in 1916 and Germany in 1939
Of course, not saying they're literally nazis, or like Japan in 1916 and Japan in 1933.
Seriously the simping there is for China in /leftypol/ is so fucking stupid, I swear.
Of course, we know this might be a colour revolution, not denying that, but seriously, just wait to see what the fuck happens.
I swear to god you people are retarded, US level retarded. For what I've gathered, the demands are quite concise, better wages, better pensions, lower prices, stop giving free gibs to enterprises and the goverment to be expelled. There's no shit about cutting ties with Russia, or general Russophobic agenda going on (now it has, but that's literally because Russia has sent their military to quell protesters in a foreign country).
If it's a revolt to put another oligarch in power, the situation of Kazakhstan doesn't change, if there's a war on it, that means that Uranium will become much harder to come by, which means climatic accelerationism. If the current oligarch keeps it's power (which is fucking buddies with israel, you can't say that of Belarus, or Iran, or Cuba, or fucking syria, places where real attempts of colour revolution have happened), then nothing changes.
>>491785> Is your entire argument really that China is investing in BRI there so it’s verboten to oppose the admin? Yes it literally is, and it tells you a lot about dengoids and what they actually support
Spoiler alert: Were China to execute an entire village of striking African workers, dengoids would absolutely support it and Glowzone would write an article explaining that the Africans were NATO operatives
>>491791If the Grayzone claimed that the African workers were funded by the CIA, it's probably because they were or at the very least the they had dubious connections to the CIA. Actual Grayzone articles (not hot takes by Ben Norton on Twitter) don't make totally baseless claims.
Solidarnosc were also "workers".
>>491786Tbf stan talk would fit better into a Post-Soviet general, allow our russkoyazychniy to connect.
As for whose side the kyrgyz are on, I would say their own: it is the only liberal democracy in central asia and they know that hteir people would throw them out if they were seen violently repressing protest in a neighbouring country.
>>491792what glows more than Solidarnosc/ AFL-CIO is the fact this is literally the only time you people ever mention trade unions despite them being the most important mass organisation in a majority of socialist revolutionary movements that aren't Maoist peasant insurgencies. One of the earlyist things Lenin was doing was Labour organisation.
I've asked directly, where are your connections to to the CIA here, even dubious ones? Haven't them, the most damning thing is who supports them, the new york times and radio free asia and so on. What you have to remember is your average New York Times journalist is a literal burger retard, heres the country ending with "stan" followed be "protests" and immediately starts clapping based on an innate fear of asian people.
Most of these jew york times journalists won't even have looked far enough to know that the country is buddy buddy with Israel, and if they did, might start calling the protests anti semitic or some shit in their next article.
>>491754>>491715>>491777/thread
TL:DR support the workers demands for better material conditions, reject calls for regime change
We live in the era of a gradually receding US imperialism which is being gradually being replaced by an actually fair and equal international economic order led by China, which is an undoubtedly good thing, but this has one downside. The national capitalist classes of each country have almost no enemies. The capacity for the USA intervene has dwindled and while the American Empire is slowly dissolving into thin air, it has no clear communist enemy to strike against. China is mostly keeping itself to slowly dismantling this empire and promoting economic development.
Those in each country that are on the side of the people - the communists - have no one to look towards and face the arduous task rebuilding their movements from scratch after the destruction of the neoliberal dark ages. They are no better off than the European working classes of the mid-19th century, save for the wealth of historical experience at their disposal.
Still, the USA won't go down without a fight. To a certain extent the intensification of class struggle is a good thing for them, if it allows them to destabilise the pro-China national capitalist regimes of each country just enough so that it leaves them intact, but in a weaker position or if their remaining cultural hegemony which is enforced through the control of such systems as the internet and the strength of their intelligence service allows them to coopt the people's discontent and direct it towards the pro-Western liberal opposition.
But this shouldn't lead communists to give up any prospects of worker's power.
Daily reminder that Navalniy, the person whose political revelance (if that exists at all) in Russia is entirely owed to glowmoney, gave support to the strongest opposition party in any given region in the recent Russian elections, which in most cases was the CPRF. The same CPRF that the CIA intervened against in 1996 and the same CPRF that has kept itself to giving critical support to United Russia only until very recently.
Obviously, we should view every single political action undertaken by the USA as having a malicious, sinister intent, but having such intent doesn't necessarily translate into the actual capability to cause harm. It might as well be that the USA will keep pouring money into their controlled opposition through the usual means and it fails because no matter the weakness of the communists, only their demands truly resonate with the people.
Communist should work towards overthrowing their own national capitalist classes while at the same time isolating the CIA-funded glowpposition. Even if only viewed from the standpoint of anti-imperialism, the actual overthrowal of national capitalist regimes by genuine communist forces only weakens the efforts of the USA to destabilise anti-imperialist forces, because there can be nothing more stable than pro-people regimes.
>>491813This. Every single word.
Also screencapping for future use.
>>491754Excellent post.
Reminder: when you see shit popping off in another country that you know little about, and your first thought is anything other than "what are local communists saying about this?" then you are a fool and a chauvinist.
>>491813this is on the button, but with one major addition. The industrial proletariat is worldwide the biggest class in society, there is no longer the semi-feudal arrangements like the capital of the 20th century and this has come to culmination very very recently. the urban population is now bigger than the rural one and agricultural production has largely subsumed into industrial production.
The settler colonial project that built capitalist world markets is dying at rapid paces in the fires of economic and urban development. There's nowhere to go for them now, it'sall inside.
>>491854A naive fool, yes
The only sane position is that regardless of what China may want, America will likely be the last empire and imperialism is tapped out due to the crises of this century
Or we are in the darkest of all dark timelines and rather than destroying empire once and for all, climate change brings back slave empires and creates a situation for barbarism associated with the Dark Age
>>49185611, 14a
>>491858the bans in this thread range from 10m, 20m, and one hour
>>491860>not really true, yeah they sometimes ban independent mediaWrong.
They banned the Grayzone despite the fact that their articles contain multiple sources.
They will also ban "state sponsored media" from Non-NATO/Anti-US countries such as CGTN.
>>491873Even revolutionary defeatism ends benefiting
some porky.
>>491870Just back the movement that isn’t confirmed as a glowing movement, in this case it’s confirmed that Russia is intervening in a mass movement occurring in a nation that is very much in its sphere of influence, while the mass movement being a NATO op is merely a schizo rumour.
Western attempts at hijacking protests are rarely subtle, look at Venezuela and Belarus, both attempts involved promoting a literal who as the rightfully elected leader in an election they also claim was rigged and therefore had completely unreliable results to draw ANY conclusions from without a second audited election.
The west is successful in overthrowing new regimes by targeting the usually reactionary military left over from the old regime or politicians who feel slighted by their positions in the new government.
>>491867>it's fine to use these in the right context as per the rules but in practice RT is widely used as a sourceNot in all contexts. It's not treated the same as Radio Free Europe.
>Wikipedia had grounds to make the grayzone unreliable imhoTheir arguments could be used in exactly the same way for MSM or US State-Sponsored media. Except for MSM and US state-sponsored media it's even worse.
>Ideally they should ban most of the medias, use press release and wait for academic papers or do workgroups to interpret primary sources in an encyclopedic way.I agree with you on this. However, you can tell that wikipedia is pretty much a tool of the west.
Watermelon salesman stands in solidarity with the people's revolutionary former director general of UN president of kazahstan who is implementing communism and putting down violent evil terrorist with help of revolutionary Russian troops
Guys socialism is being built as we speak. Keep the pressure against the protestors!
https://twitter.com/trpresidency/status/1479144102381993987?s=20>>491840>>491842I don't even know what bad faith means in this context. I didn't answer or clarify the question I've been asked? Sorry for that, but also whatever.
https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-59815965
>Faction of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in the State Council of the Komi Republic:
>"The trial of Memorial is part of an undeclared, large-scale war of the state against Russian civil society that has been waged for several years. Human rights activists, participants in peaceful protests, journalists, anti-corruption fighters - the current political regime is not ready to put up with anyone who is critical of relation to him ". Admittedly, it's a Komi Republic's CPRF, but come on.
Regarding anti-China messaging, all the CPRF's talking heads (except Zyuganov) are saying usual Western leftist crap about China, such as dept trap diplomacy, but with Russian specifics, like the alleged Chinese wish to annex Siberia. Also, alleged Chinese wish to annex Central Asia, which is still regarded as Russian turf, lol. In Afghanistan, they hated Taliban more than Americans. In Belarus, they were split, but all the "CPRF lite" people like Kagarlitsky were supporting protests, and before that those same people were supporting Maidan as if it was workers' revolt that got hijacked by nationalists/fascists/glowies/etc. Remember when Navalny asked liberals to vote CPRF? Isn't that a clear sign of getting increasingly glowed?
>>491883BBC quotes Komi Republic's CPRF's opinion.
From telegram
https://t.me/justicepoet/1864 It's not a "colour revolution" lol, Kazakhstan is already firmly ruled by compradors and bourgeois parasites who banned the communist party and plundered the Kazakh SSR.
KPRF statement on the protests.
https://twitter.com/kprf/status/1478865627632873481
>"The unrest in Kazakhstan, in fact, was provoked by the government itself, which doubled gas prices. This hurt many segments of the population, since over 60% of the consumption of liquefied gas is accounted for by motor vehicles."
>"At the same time, it is obvious that citizens' dissatisfaction is of a broader nature: prices for everything are growing, while wages are low. On the whole, oligarchic capital that has established itself in the post-Soviet space does not take into account the interests of the working people. All this led to massive protests."
>"Looking at what is happening in Kazakhstan, there is something to think about for Putin and Mishustin. In Russia, prices are also going through the roof, and real food inflation is approaching 20%. It is the oligarchic freemen that leads to such consequences."https://socialismkz-info.translate.goog/?p=26802&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_sch=http
>inb4 muh TrotskyismIt's a member of IMCWP, which is a mixed bag of anti-revisionst Stalinist chads and Dengtards.
So Dengtards and vlasovites, pipe down.
Noooo THIS CANT BE HAPPENING!!! law and order law and order!!!!
Get the Russian troops in there to lay the smackdown!!!
https://twitter.com/alsa3idy/status/1479150769437913097?s=20Google translate from russian:
1. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the main administrative buildings in the center of Alma-Ata were taken under control during the battles with the rioters. Nevertheless, it is too early to talk about full control over the city, even after lunch there was organized armed resistance
2. Attacks on the TV tower and the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were repulsed, the attackers were killed. Judging by these and other statements of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, today in Alma-Ata the security forces have killed at least several dozen people.
3. Also issued a warning - all who resist and will be caught with a weapon in their hands will be killed. In fact, this is already a complete carte blanche for the destruction of any organized resistance. Read the scenario of Tiananmen and Andijan, where the political leadership also gave the security forces complete freedom to restore order. By their actions on January 4-6, the rioters in Alma-Ata themselves did everything to make their shooting perceived as a purely positive phenomenon.
4. Contrary to the stuffing that Venediktov also spread, the CSTO forces are still deploying in Kazakhstan and are not taking part in any suppression of protests, especially since such a task is not even set for them. The protests are crushed by the security forces of Kazakhstan, who are being pulled to the centers of the rebellion. The forces of the CSTO make it possible to release reliable people to strengthen the cleansing units.
5. In a number of cities, protesters say that they are not with the rioters in Alma-Ata, and in general they have already achieved their basic demands - they drove Nazarbayev out and lowered gas prices. With these protesters, the authorities, I think, may well conduct a reasonable dialogue. The conversation with the characters from Alma-Ata will be short. The authorities also called on ordinary citizens who participated in the protests to go home, promising that there will be no prosecution for simply participating in the rallies. Questions will only be for the pogromists.
6. Kyrgyzstan today could not make a decision on the introduction of troops into Kazakhstan. We were unable to collect a quorum. They promise to accept it tomorrow, with a separate proviso that the Kyrgyz will not take part in suppressing the riots. Japarov said this several times for the deputies and the public. Russia, Belarus. Armenia, Tajikistan - all have already formalized the implementation of measures for the introduction of troops.
7. Erdogan said that he expects the soonest formation of the new government of Kazakhstan and the normalization of the situation in the country. Worried about Turkish business. China also called for an early end to the crisis and the restoration of stability. It is worth noting that all phrases about stability are associated exclusively with Tokayev. Not a word about Nazarbayev, as if he no longer exists.
8. The total number of killed employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Internal Troops was 18 killed and 742 wounded. Of those killed, 2 or 3 with their heads cut off. The numbers are likely to rise by the evening. It is also reported that 30 protesters were killed at 15-00, but this is most likely an underestimated figure.
ITS NOT THE CIA YOU IDIOTS!!
GULEN AND ISLAMIC STATE ORGANZIED THESE PROTEST!! My trustful revolutionary comrade has informed me
https://twitter.com/rianru/status/1479074343028244480?s=20>>491934BLM took bazookas and rifles and decapitated policemen? Of course is not your country.
>>491931Ok, what about CIA ops. Better results now?
>>491944No, I know two things: Your protestors aren't waving a flag of socialism and communism. "Aesthetics" matter, because I have seen "just demands" all across the color revolutions, I have seen the a 7 y.o. syrian girl asking for food thanks to muh oppressive Assad.
It is not your western country which is in flames. I am tired of seeing a jerkshow here about something that doesn't have any signal of being favorable but to the U.S.
>>491945My trips say that i am right.
>>491932We know for a FACT that the liberals support the kazakhstan government because these protestors are destroying property and hurting private businesses.
CSTO supports the government.
The communist party of kazakhstan supports the protests.
China is remaining silent because china is behind these protests.
The USA and turkey oppose the unrest because it hurts their business and national interests. Turkey supports kazakhstan because kazakhstan's government is turkic and sympathetic to EAST TURKESTAN SINKIANG UYGHUR ISLAMISTS
China is promoting regime change in kazakhstan because kazakhstan is more dominated by russia and the west than they are by chinese interests.
>>491947>It is not your western country which is in flames. I am tired of seeing a jerkshow here about something that doesn't have any signal of being favorable but to the U.S.t. burger that willfully avoided reading all the people pointing out that America owns much of the industry there and has condemned the protests publically.
You think people in Kazahkstan rioted and took up arms against the state because they love how things are going? LOL
>>491951>burger that willfully avoided reading all the people pointing out that America owns much of the industry See the exports/Imports trades of Kazahk.
Their economy is Chinese/Russia oriented.
>>491951
>You think people in Kazahkstan rioted and took up arms against the state because they love how things are going? LOLt. ukrainian
t. moderate rebels
t. guarimberos
t. iraqi kurdistan
Even I pointed out where the protestors were gathering, at a fucking holodomor memorial and one of the mods belieev that fedjacketing. In which world we support anti-communists protestors?
>>491952
>The US is afraid of those protests you moron they have stakes in resource extractions and investments they don't want to looseNo, they are not.
>>491963If only :' )
>>491969I've also seen it in an antifada compilation, idk
>>491968That's contradictory to this statement:
>>491933Because ISIL is one of the separatists groups of the Xinjang province.
>>491592>socialist metaphysicsLMAO
>>491733Based. Assuming dogmatic retards need to check themselves and refrain from jumping to conclusions. Materialist analysis must be upheld.
>>491813Great post.
>>491982Check this out comrade, courtesy of based news anon: Statement by the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan on the situation in the country
In a statement about the large-scale mobilizations and protests in the country, the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan calls for international solidarity to the demonstrators and demands the withdrawal of troops from the cities, the resignation of all Nazarbayev officials, the release of all political prisoners and detainees, the legalization of the Communist Party and trade unions, as well as the nationalization of Kazakhstan's entire extractive and large-scale industry.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/01/statement-by-socialist-movement-of-kazakhstan-on-the-situation-in-the-country.htmlhttps://archive.is/WOmYK Anti imperialist UK stands in solidarity against violent terrorist rioters challenging the Kazakhstan revolutionary government.
We must follow the party line and call for the Russian troops to put down these hooligans and restore LAW AND ORDER!
https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/1479169654551724039?s=20>>491995Based.
I will say it again:
I WANT TO BELIEVE!
>>491825Lenin had a party, these guys have a book club.
What they're saying in the post is that they don't currently have an organization sufficient to do shit about the protests one way or another.
>>491958>Why can’t burgers do this?Something something the poor something something something temporarily embarrassed gorillionaires…
t. Steinbeck
maybe >>491960Things are shaky right now so they are playing it safe, at least with their families.
But it shows that this is more than the sunday protest, and more than some gilets jaunes.
what is the current info on the bloc intervention?
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