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VR edition: by invitation of Cat Alunya

 No.490339

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>>490337
Hooray, friends forever!

Grace perhaps you can give me some advice, I have a right wing Christian friend, he is morally opposed to homosexuality and promiscuity and so on, but we still RP together with him as a Pokémon and me as his master which involves us (gay) kissing and cuddling and sometimes sex, it's strictly an online thing but I have a boyfriend whereas I don't think he has a girlfriend (or boyfriend) and I'm not sure he ever has, I worry he will be lonely and I want him to try have a relationship. Am I just hurting him and giving him false companionship with our RP? Or should I just accept that maybe he's not interested in an in person relationship and this helps fulfil his needs?

Anyone else can answer too

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>>490339
I ask here because Grace is our honorary comrade like this guy is to me

 No.490348

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>>490339
Don't take anything too srsly online.
Your friend is a RW lifestylist, I guess.
No fake companionship.
Have a bit of integrity.

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Grace have you read Reflections of a Russian Statesman? What do you think about Pobedonostsev? On /lit/ they were saying he makes de Maistre look like a liberal.

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What would Grace-chan do if Alunya did this to her? :3c

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>>490713
>you read Reflections of a Russian Statesman?
It's in my reading list.

>On /lit/ they were saying he makes de Maistre look like a liberal.

I'm not rlly trying to be so illiberal.
I bet Orthobros are going to adopt him.
I prefer Jean Bodin, King James VI & I, Thomas Hobbes, Robert Filmer.

>>490721
I'm not too sure what Grace would do.

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>>490843
This is Grace's fans now.

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<me (an immigrant) to grace when i see how small the new royal colony is


>so….so, you are full of crap or what?, this little colony is poor and wretched, uhhh where's luxury castle? where's royal carriage made of gold? where's lavish tea parties and feasts, and where's grace chan with big titties, alunya cat who fucks like a feline, and Rodina who sucks like a vacuum? where's royal lesbian orgies featuring Erika from 8chan and porky getting pegged? where's monarchist copypastas? in your letters to me all i hear about is Queen Grace, living the royal dream with her subjects, i come here and the only royal thing about you is the Sonic Let's plays.

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>>490839
There's one way to find out!

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>>491274
>>491301
The first one and the last one are adorable, SPAM THEM.

 No.491341

>>491315
They are all so cute! But I don't want to post them as people would think I'm Graceposter.

 No.491348

>>491315
saving them, I should organize my pictures folder but it's thousands of images and grace images gonna get lost

 No.491349

>>491348
you can upload them to the leftybooru (maybe if you ask the site owner)

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>>491348
Make a Grace folder.

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Giovanni Gentile:
>So that the thought & will of the solitary person, the Duce, becomes the thought and will of the masses.

Giovanni Gentile:
<That Leader advances, secure, surrounded in an aura of myth, almost a person chosen by the Deity, tireless and infallible, an instrument employed by Providence to create a new civilization.

ᴉuᴉlossnW in A Diary of the Will (1927):
>Yes. The State is that unitary expression, absolute will, of the power and of the consciousness of the Nation
>This executive power–is the sovereign power of the Nation. The supreme head is the King

Then ᴉuᴉlossnW on his leadership doctrine for Fascist party members:
>Because in the subordination of all to the will of a Leader, which is not a capricious will, but a seriously meditative will, & proven by deeds, Fascism has found its strength.
>There should be no limits. We must obey even if the Leader asks too much.

 No.491939

Cult of Personality / Avatarism / Heroism / Leader archtype is monarchist-approved.

 No.491946

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Grace enjoys to cosplay.
Her fav cosplay is the Alunya cosplay.
Grace should cosplay of each board tan.

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new sketches

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>>491992
> angry Grace
hot

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>>491996
that pantsu song goes hard

 No.492009

Sonic Adventure still has the best soundtrack.

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Runescape music is amazing too.

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Does graceposter have an RSN? Add me.

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>>492085
I tried to get back into OSRS.
But I was banned because they thought I was a bot.
I was grinding lots of bones to level prayer and killing cows.

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>>492085
I did make an OSRS character.
8Grace8

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Getting sleepy.

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>>492196
what game is that?

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>>492196
oyasumi hime-sama

>>492199
The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall

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>>492087
I'll gift her Majesty a bond. If you make another account.

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>>492388
They seem to like /ourgirl/

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>>491349
>>491414
nah I'm too lazy for that

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The melancholy I feel thinking Grace needs more redesigns to look more unique.
Still thinking her clothes (esp. the belt) ought to get a slight re-design or more alt clothes for Grace.

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>>492614
as long as they still look royal

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>>492614
She's perfect the way she is.

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About every major e-monarchist faction spurns, rejects, and hates Absolutism.
Watching constitutionalists and the ancap-gone-monarchist libertarians mingle, with the traditionalists pretending to hate constitutionalism (but taking their side on almost every critical issue) – can be so frustrating for me.
It is the opposite compared to /leftypol/ where the Anarchists complain about being in the fringe minority: with monarchists it's upside down, where the pro-democracy constitutionalists rule e-monarchist circles without any real opposition and dominate social media, the disc0rds, and r/monarchism.
(Apart from traditionalists grumbling about their more progressive and secularist elements, but they still fundamentally agree with them pretty much and so long as they change their tone on religion and prefer their denominational affiliation).

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>>494892
dayum that sucks

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>be me, absolute monarchist
>give various reading lists, historical pamphlets, and reconcile monarchist politics to be more relevant than anarchronistic
<gets SHUNNED and IGNORED by important figures in the community and nobody cares
*a constitutional monarchist Kaiserboo TURK appears*
<umm, dictator bad, royal gud
<we need corporatism, but ummm not fascism
>THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE and INSTANT popularity & fame
>OH MY GAWD GUYS CHECK OUT THIS YT CHANNEL
life… is unfair.

 No.495202

>>495201
Grace DESTROYED by Kara Boga and the slave boys of Turkish khans

 No.495258

>>495201
Lol, I remember accidentaly entering one of his videos about the bolsheviks.

Basically he cried in entire video that the bolsheviki were minority/that they killed 'the poor royal family' and how it was stressing for his religious-moralism.

But, I think you are the only monarchie that I won't be happy if you depart from this state of life. Your company in this imageboard is nice.

 No.495259

>>495201
Oh, man, that McCarthyist retard. I hate this guy. He's the ShortFatOtaku level of cringe.

 No.495264

>>495258
People are not reducible to their political opinions after all. I disagree a lot with monarchism just like I disagree with any authoritarian ideology but the OP seems like a chill person. Kinda reminds me of Puyi. I'm willing to look over our differences as long as the OP keeps drawing, they're very talented.

btw, OP, why don't you draw Grace's blue uniform design anymore?

 No.495273

>>495264
>as long as the OP keeps drawing, they're very talented.
OP doesn't draw, but commissions.

 No.495287

>>495273
>OP doesn't draw, but commissions.
Okay, the OP can leave then.

 No.495441

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Reading Bodin and Hobbes criticism of Aristotle, and having dabbled a fair bit in Aristotle's Politics myself, I think I understand why these absolute monarchists are harsh on Aristotle (at least, as far as monarchy is concerned).

I have greater political understanding, but there are still quite a few obstacles in my way, and insecurities I have in gaining a foothold for my absolutist agenda. –Lately I know what I'm looking to criticize, but how I justify the alternative and find a backing for it is still at odds. I've clung to the notion of an indivisible sovereignty and stressed how this justifies Monarchy on a political scale as opposed to Aristotle, and that it gives the state a unitary being: but I also relied heavily on all these authors purported agreement with Plato to disagree with Aristotle… but I'm not so sure about Plato himself and whether there is material in his works such as the Republic, Statesmen, or Laws to adequately support what I'm looking for. I want to find something that does support this sovereignty and simple state, but can I really say it's no less composite with regard to Plato's tripartite soul? maybe. –I should look into Plato and see if there is anything that suits this… but I'm pessimistic also, and can't say for sure it works altogether and I know that from certain parts I've read.

I gained a lot from reading other works and found a surprising amount of ammunition in Fascist works and even from Hitler in his criticism of the Austrian parliament.
>Does anybody honestly believe that human progress originates in the composite brain of the majority and not in the brain of the individual personality?
This stuck out to me, because it reminded me of Aristotle's food argument against the wise man. And again, our problem with constitutionalism with regard to Aristotle's composite political state as opposed to a monarchical form of state.

I have considerable gains from all this, but still have so much to look into and re-think a bit. I always get far, but have many miles ahead of me.

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Leftists might ask why am I so worried about finding quotations or ancient names to back me up? isn't that dogmatic of you, graceposter?

Because you cannot get very far with rightwingers if you talk without precedent I feel.

It is especially the case for absolute monarchists, who always have to contend with accusations of being baseless and ahistorical: that's why I cling to quotations and the authority of names very strongly if I can attain them.

As much as my savants hated that kind of dogmatism, I find it incredibly useful dealing with traditionalists (who hinge on what is traditional, so you have to find some justification in some past authority to speak with them) and other opponents.

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When you're coming from a position like mine, where you have a lot going against you, in the history books and criticism from many pundits, and such a heterodox ideology compared to the classics – I am desperate for any backing I can get.

 No.495520

>>495441
Read The Unique and Its Property and Stirner's Critics. You seem to be pretty passionate about reading, I want to see your reaction to those books.

 No.495531

>>495454
>When you're coming from a position like mine, where you have a lot going against you, in the history books and criticism from many pundits, and such a heterodox ideology compared to the classics
I mean that's what being a Stirnerite boils down to.
>I am desperate for any backing I can get
This is just confirmation bias. You're clinging to an ideology as a form of identity, it is not worth it. You will not spontaneously combust if you don't have a concrete ideological foundation, if anything it'll keep holding you back.

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>>495531 (me)
Although I wouldn't say there's anything against Stirnerism in history books. Your ideology tries to justify your organization of society only. My anti-ideology sees everything as already justified. Stirnerism is quite friendly to history and science, not so much to historians and scientists.

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tfw skimming Karl Popper's Open Society and its Enemies to find hints on where to look.
Still haven't found precisely what I'm looking for.

>>495531
It could really be my fancy.

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What prompts me is Hobbes' quote, paired with his criticism of Aristotle, and my conviction paired with these that Aristotle is the grandfather of the mixed constitution.
Because from Jean Bodin's analysis, before anyone else, it was Aristotle who came with the addition of a mixed constitution: Bodin said that Plato did not (albeit people would say he does in Laws, I think Bodin saw that more as a sovereign democracy than a truly mixed state). And albeit that Bodin testifies, that Herodotus named others who talked about a mixed constitution in his day, first named person that Bodin lists is Aristotle.
Following Hobbes singling out of Aristotle, I'm privy to think part of Hobbes' criticisms must be with the mixed constitution in relation to Aristotle as well. But finding what exactly that is, it isn't too transparent or clear-cut in Hobbes apart from the following quote.

Thomas Hobbes
>The error concerning mixed government [constitutionalism] has proceeded from want of understanding of what is meant by this word body politic, and how it signifies not the concord, but the union of many men.

It can't only be the distinction between a state an association (but I think this quote is valid for that too) – but also our understanding of what is meant by body politic or state.
I'm not sure it is as two-dimensional or simple between Plato and Aristotle, and we sometimes have a bit of both and neither: we have a love-hate relationship with Aristotle, and Jean Bodin's definition between state and association is also fairly akin to Aristotle's (and also, similarly, brings together various constitutions in his study of sovereignty like I hear Aristotle did), but with consideration of sovereignty. –But that is what I'm hoping is key for our understanding of what Hobbes means for understanding the word body politic and what it signifies.
That what I believe differs between a multi-party state and a one-party state in ideology is also connected to this. That the former (multi-party states) have in Aristotle that convention of freemen and estates in the political, a middle class and virtue in the midst of things, and composite character of the state – and this compositeness of the state as a whole to be its virtue and justice, I believe, might lend credence to this belief. –but before I try to contrast that with Plato, I'll add some doubts, because Aristotle was also a student and carried some things over from Plato, and not only criticisms, so it's not just that they're opposites (but this mentality prompts me to look into Plato). – What I hope to find in Plato is support for the State is to support an indivisible quality like sovereignty that is simple and one rather than composite – that might support the view of the state as a unitary being like one person, as opposed to the model of a mixed state.
I've had considerable success in making our notion of sovereignty more relevant and modern. I found that Fascism covertly holds a lot of the same ideas behind sovereignty in its true form and for totalitarianism in contrast to constitutionalism.
That's what people like Karl Popper say for Plato's Republic: that it is too friendly to totalitarian notions of the State.
But not only in Plato's Republic, but also Plato's Statesmen, that a state and household and said to be fundamentally no different, contrary to Aristotle also: which I think also adds to the unitary character (since Aristotle defines a household to have one head and makes it inappropriate for the political state) – it makes it more top-down than bottom-up, and that can also be seen in the notion of the philosopher king, as opposed to Aristotle's food argument against the idea of philosopher king (that many people can bring more food to the table).

And despite Plato's 3-part soul, I'd add that, 1st, I read that Socrates appeals to the immortality of the soul as incomposite, and, 2nd, that justice makes the state ideally one: the closer the state is to its ideal, it appeals to one and its unity. The State itself is a mirror to an individual person and his integrity – I think makes the State like a super-organism or like a person the way Hobbes makes his State into a monarch – whereas for Aristotle, the end of the state is its virtue and that I presume in relation to its composite character for the common good, and why I think Aristotle has more democratic undertones compared to Plato's philosopher king and metals.

Plato Republic:
>That the other citizens too must be sent to the task for which their natures were fitted, one man to one work, in order that each of them fulfilling his own function may be not many men, but one, and so the entire city may come to be not a multiplicity but a unity.

Which reminds me of Hobbes in that they come to be not many men, but like one man, except with Plato, it is more like they are organs than Hobbes' Leviathan that is an avatar of them all. But the entire city as this body politic isn't a multiplicity or concord, but a unity: and I presume – justice bestows its oneness and indivisible character to not be so composite, but becomes simple – that might be a stretch.

Plato Republic:
>For factions… are the outcome of injustice, and hatreds and internecine conflicts, but justice brings oneness of mind and love.

To differentiate what Hobbes says about body-politic from Aristotle, there is no other passage from Aristotle's Politics that makes this more clear than here:

Aristotle Politics
>For the people becomes a monarch, and is many in one; and the many have the power in their hands, not as individuals, but collectively. Homer says that ‘it is not good to have a rule of many,’ but whether he means this corporate rule, or the rule of many individuals, is uncertain. At all events this sort of democracy, which is now a monarch…

I stop at the passages about how this is a despot or even absolutism (which are surprisingly relevant to Hobbes) – and how it is no constitution at all according to Aristotle – the point I'm aware of, is that for Aristotle, to make the State into a monarch is the furthest from his inclination, given that for him the political constitution cannot be arranged like a household under one head or like a monarch, but only for economic units – which by this corporation of the people, it is exactly at odds.

Plato Laws:
>That all men are, so far as possible, unanimous in the praise and blame they bestow, rejoicing and grieving at the same things, and that they honor with all their heart those laws which render the State as unified as possible

This passage I found at the front of Karl Popper's book, I guess, pointing out the Leader principle:
>The great principle of all is that no one of either sex should be without a commander; nor should the mind of any one be accustomed to do anything, either in jest or earnest, of his own motion, but in war and in peace he should look to and follow his leader, even in the least things being under his guidance; for example, he should stand or move, or exercise, or wash, or take his meals, or get up in the night to keep guard and deliver messages when he is bidden; and in the hour of danger he should not pursue and not retreat except by order of his superior; and in a word, not teach the soul or accustom her to know or understand how to do anything apart from others. Of all soldiers the life should be always and in all things as far as possible in common and together; there neither is nor ever will be a higher, or better, or more scientific principle than this for the attainment of salvation and victory in war. And we ought in time of peace from youth upwards to practise this habit of commanding others, and of being commanded by other.

But whether Plato fundamentally differs from Aristotle in his understanding of a body politic is uncertain to me. Apart from the quotes I plucked, but it doesn't for sure say that Plato doesn't also like Aristotle consider the state as a whole to be composite and have a common good therein: in fact, similar to Aristotle, I think Plato also goes to talk about the whole and parts in Laws. –But what Plato says about justice bringing them to oneness of mind, and his stress on unity, reminds me of how Bodin also stressed that it is their union under sovereignty that ultimately makes the State, not so much the walls and persons.

I don't think I can rely on Plato or Aristotle for what I have in mind, and I know for sure that's why many people are constitutional monarchists: the notion of absolute sovereignty is fairly heterodox under scrutiny of both these names, esp. without consideration of how Bodin sees the need for absolute power and his distinction between the sovereign and the magistrate, but also Bodin considers it a necessity if the laws can be changed and rescinded that there is an absolute power, and that it is the case for human laws for sovereigns in his account by divine and natural law from what I've read for Bodin. That is without a doubt one of our most pernicious issues in appealing to the community… but if I'm right and there is a fundamental difference in how body-politic is understood between Plato and Aristotle here, – it would be useful in pushing back against the notion of the mixed constitution.

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This supports my endeavor here.
https://habib.camden.rutgers.edu/talks/plato-and-aristotle/

>According to Plato, unity is the desired end of both individual and state constitution.


>Plato’s overarching disposition towards unity asserts itself most pervasively and at every level, from the point of origin of a city to its formally articulated bureaucratic structure. What needs to be observed here is how unity — even more than the alleged goals of justice or the Good — is the ultimate teleological principle informing the interrelation of elements comprising the city’s overall constitution.


>Where the circularity of the concept of unity encompasses for Plato the origin and purpose of a state, Aristotle’s procedure in the Politics is strikingly different. To evince the overall contrast of both method and content between the two thinkers, it may be useful to consider firstly Aristotle’s metaphysical presuppositions, secondly his observations on the state in general, and finally his assessment of democracy as informed by these.


>To begin with, Aristotle’s self-proclaimed analytic and somewhat empirical method (I, i) is far less prone to the strategy of hypostatization which governs much of Plato’s thinking in the Republic. Aristotle’s method is to begin with the notion of a composite whole which is broken down into its smallest parts. Hence, where Plato sees democracy and the other forms of government as having a fairly determinate essence or set of defining characteristics, Aristotle is adamant that there are different types of democracy, oligarchy and aristocracy. In fact, his delineation of what he considers the best constitution, which he calls “polity,” is dependent on precisely this definitional malleability of each constitution and its ability to be mixed with other constitutional forms. More importantly, this analytic mentality underlies Aristotle’s rejection of Plato’s view that the state should comprise a unity. Aristotle holds that a state is a composite whole made up of parts; he also defines the state as an aggregate of citizens large enough to secure a self-sufficient life; a further definition suggests that the state is an association of citizens in a constitution (III, i-iii). Aristotle’s entire text stresses the plurality of parts in any state and the need to reconcile these (IV, iii). Given these assumptions, Aristotle maintains, as against Plato, that the state cannot be a unity; unity, in fact, would destroy the state’s self-sufficiency given that the state harbours not only a plurality of numbers but different kinds of men existing in relations of reciprocal equivalence and mutually supporting diversity of function. The state’s plurality, and lack of natural unity, is further evident in the rotation of office whereby citizens take turns to rule and be ruled; Aristotle goes so far as to say that such rotation entails the same citizens becoming different persons at different times (II, ii), a view which contrasts sharply with Plato’s advocacy of a strict specialisation of function. Aristotle does not, of course, suggest that a state exists in a condition of unconstrained plurality; whatever unity a state achieves is given in its harmonisation of various interests and is also a function of education in the “spirit” of a given constitution, an education which entails training of both habits and the intellect (II, v).

 No.496212

File: 1706230193201-0.png (294.79 KB, 1048x1220, 25 mic.png)

Aristotle Politics:
>Further, as a means to the end which he ascribes to the State, the scheme, taken literally is impracticable, and how we are to interpret it is nowhere precisely stated. I am speaking of the premise from which the argument of Socrates proceeds, "That the greater the unity of the State the better." Is it not obvious that a state at length attain such a degree of unity as to be no longer a State? since the nature of a State is to be plurality, and in tending to greater unity, from being a State, it becomes a Family, and from being a Family, an Individual; for the Family may be said to be more than the State, and the Individual than the family. So that we ought not to attain this greatest unity even if we could, for it would be the destruction of the State. Again, a State is not made up only of so many men, but of different kinds of men.

>These are necessary preconditions of a state's existence, yet nevertheless, even if all these conditions are present, that does not therefore make a state, but a state is a partnership of families and of clans in living well, and its object is a full and independent life. At the same time this will not be realized unless the partners do inhabit one and the same locality and practise intermarriage; this indeed is the reason why family relationships have arisen throughout the states, and brotherhoods and clubs for sacrificial rites and social recreations. But such organization is produced by the feeling of friendship, for friendship is the motive of social life; therefore, while the object of a state is the good life, these things are means to that end. And a state is the partnership of clans and villages in a full and independent life, which in our view constitutes a happy and noble life; the political fellowship must therefore be deemed to exist for the sake of noble actions, not merely for living in common. Hence those who contribute most to such fellowship have a larger part in the state than those who are their equals or superiors in freedom and birth but not their equals in civic virtue, or than those who surpass them in wealth but are surpassed by them in virtue.


^This right here is exactly what I'm looking for.

With all the information I've gathered beforehand, and with reference to Hobbes quote from where I started, it does support that mixed constitutionalists do support rather a concord than a union – and although Aristotle is clear to distinguish his State from an Alliance, the nature of his State is still a plurality rather than such a sovereign union: and if it's said that they are composite nonetheless, the stress for our part is still on the unity that sovereignty bestows.

This helps to justify all I've said and why I've come to agree with Thomas Hobbes on this issue.

 No.496216

File: 1706230739265-0.jpg (515 KB, 1462x2048, 82Lwd_tz.jpg)

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 No.496451

File: 1706302402832-0.png (231.48 KB, 1000x1000, 27.png)

File: 1706302402832-1.png (273.06 KB, 1000x1050, 26 vomit.png)


 No.496454

File: 1706304246080.png (454.56 KB, 623x725, ClipboardImage.png)

opinion on her?

 No.497291

File: 1706452563230-0.png (231.48 KB, 1000x1000, 27.png)

File: 1706452563230-1.png (236.78 KB, 1000x1050, 28.png)

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File: 1706452563230-3.png (236.22 KB, 1000x1050, 29nm 01.png)


 No.497292

File: 1706452653023-0.png (227.08 KB, 1000x1000, 21.png)

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File: 1706452653023-2.png (311.98 KB, 1072x1100, 17.png)

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 No.497293

File: 1706452747535-0.png (251.85 KB, 1000x1000, 20.png)

File: 1706452747535-1.png (229.87 KB, 1000x1000, 20nh.png)

File: 1706452747535-2.png (289.06 KB, 1000x1000, 23.png)

File: 1706452747535-3.png (307.87 KB, 1005x1105, 24.png)


 No.497294

File: 1706452792946-0.png (241.09 KB, 1000x1000, 3 grace.png)

File: 1706452792946-1.png (265.52 KB, 1000x1000, 5 grace.png)

File: 1706452792946-2.png (286.41 KB, 1000x1000, 4 gracechan.png)

File: 1706452792946-3.png (264.32 KB, 1000x1000, 9.png)


 No.497295

File: 1706452855961-0.png (227.66 KB, 1000x1000, 22 edit.png)

File: 1706452855961-2.png (273.06 KB, 1000x1050, 26 vomit.png)

File: 1706452855961-3.png (277.21 KB, 1000x1050, 10.png)


 No.497296

File: 1706452896926-0.png (241.62 KB, 1000x1050, 15h.png)

File: 1706452896926-1.png (189.89 KB, 1000x1050, 15.png)

File: 1706452896926-2.png (237.22 KB, 1023x1032, 14.png)

File: 1706452896926-3.png (280.34 KB, 1023x1032, 14h.png)


 No.497297

File: 1706452946167-0.png (220.27 KB, 1000x1000, 12.png)

File: 1706452946167-1.png (334.32 KB, 1000x1000, 13.png)

File: 1706452946167-2.png (271.88 KB, 1000x1000, 11 grace.png)

File: 1706452946167-3.png (287.68 KB, 1000x1000, 11h grace.png)


 No.497298

File: 1706453031144-0.png (266.51 KB, 1000x1000, 6 grace.png)

File: 1706453031144-1.png (340.88 KB, 1100x1000, 7 gracechan.png)

File: 1706453031144-2.png (319.15 KB, 1100x977, 8 gracechan.png)

File: 1706453031144-3.png (161.11 KB, 666x564, 1702887597123.png)


 No.497299

File: 1706453085868-0.png (329.75 KB, 1000x1200, serious_girl.png)

File: 1706453085868-1.png (325.39 KB, 1000x1200, serious_red.png)

File: 1706453085868-2.png (370.88 KB, 1000x1200, blush_girl.png)

File: 1706453085868-3.png (361.99 KB, 1000x1200, blush_red.png)


 No.497301

File: 1706453141083-0.png (479.48 KB, 1000x1000, zoo_tycoon.png)

File: 1706453141083-1.png (478.21 KB, 1000x1000, sonic_1.png)

File: 1706453141083-2.png (457.64 KB, 1000x1000, sonic_2.png)

File: 1706453141083-3.png (443.86 KB, 1000x1000, sonicknuckles.png)


 No.497302

File: 1706453208950-0.png (458.04 KB, 1000x1000, sonic_dx.png)

File: 1706453208950-1.png (438.25 KB, 1000x1000, sonic_xbox.png)

File: 1706453208950-2.png (428.16 KB, 1000x1000, oblivion.png)


 No.497303

File: 1706453367065-0.png (1013.23 KB, 1500x1500, surprised grace.png)

File: 1706453367065-1.png (994.07 KB, 1500x1500, grumpy grace.png)

File: 1706453367065-2.png (4.29 MB, 3000x3000, Grace & Sonic NBG.png)

File: 1706453367065-3.png (4.31 MB, 3000x3000, Grace & Sonic.png)


 No.497304

File: 1706453507636-0.png (7.86 MB, 2002x3000, 14 nbg.png)

File: 1706453507636-1.png (6.61 MB, 2052x3000, 13 nbg.png)

File: 1706453507636-3.png (5.53 MB, 4150x3000, Grace Sonic1.png)


 No.497305

File: 1706453609502-0.png (6.66 MB, 2506x3000, 12 skirt nbg.png)

File: 1706453609502-1.png (6.72 MB, 2506x3000, 12 nbg.png)

File: 1706453609502-2.png (9.31 MB, 2000x3000, 11.png)

File: 1706453609502-3.png (9.26 MB, 2000x3000, 11 close nbg.png)


 No.497306

File: 1706453720047-0.png (11.25 MB, 4000x2977, Grace with boots_NBG.png)

File: 1706453720047-1.png (11.04 MB, 4000x2977, Grace_sitpose_NBG.png)

File: 1706453720047-2.png (9.98 MB, 3285x3565, Grace_cutepose_NBG.png)


 No.497307

File: 1706453819706-0.png (206.26 KB, 1316x1339, Grace sadface 02.png)

File: 1706453819706-1.png (160.61 KB, 1316x1339, Grace sadface 01.png)

File: 1706453819706-2.png (1.15 MB, 1470x1600, 20231102000915.png)

File: 1706453819706-3.png (131.32 KB, 1920x2078, Grace pixel.png)


 No.497308

File: 1706453937674-0.png (2.93 MB, 3000x4000, love_letter.png)

File: 1706453937674-1.png (2.82 MB, 3000x4000, love_letter_2.png)

File: 1706453937674-2.jpg (187.65 KB, 1541x1079, Grace alt outfits.jpg)

File: 1706453937674-3.jpg (144.63 KB, 953x1079, Grace outfits.jpg)


 No.497309

File: 1706454040521-0.png (284.21 KB, 2048x2048, IMG_2059.png)

File: 1706454040521-1.png (596.59 KB, 2133x1396, Grace couple 02.png)

File: 1706454040521-3.png (497.22 KB, 1000x1000, 20230826100405.png)


 No.497310

File: 1706454097374-0.png (1.18 MB, 1500x1500, Bf2vy-Np2722424.png)

File: 1706454097374-1.png (1.17 MB, 1500x1500, Bf2vy-Np27.png)

File: 1706454097374-2.png (1.24 MB, 1500x1500, 7NgUQ3yB3.png)

File: 1706454097374-3.png (1.44 MB, 1500x1500, 0oSJagG15.png)


 No.497311

File: 1706454152843-0.png (1.16 MB, 1500x1500, UMj2Uyud6.png)

File: 1706454152843-1.png (1.26 MB, 1500x1500, GOWdI_qm4.png)

File: 1706454152843-2.png (840.15 KB, 1500x1500, grace russia kitto.png)


 No.497312


 No.497313

File: 1706454349397-3.png (245.75 KB, 500x500, Grace Mad Baron.png)


 No.497314

File: 1706454440112-0.png (213.62 KB, 631x753, Grace VR 12 edit.png)

File: 1706454440112-1.png (278.39 KB, 794x838, Grace VR 7 edit.png)

File: 1706454440112-2.png (96.64 KB, 420x464, Grace VR 5 edit.png)

File: 1706454440112-3.png (265.72 KB, 676x869, Grace VR 14 edit.png)


 No.497315

File: 1706454593104-1.png (168.39 KB, 365x684, Grace_icup_3D pic.png)

File: 1706454593104-2.png (137.45 KB, 453x598, Grace VR 4 edit.png)

File: 1706454593104-3.png (483.55 KB, 1025x971, grace 24 kitto look.png)


 No.497316

File: 1706454670149-0.png (212.75 KB, 660x919, Grace VR 13.png)

File: 1706454670149-1.png (199.21 KB, 640x856, Grace VR 11.png)

File: 1706454670149-2.png (157.73 KB, 691x731, Grace VR 9.png)

File: 1706454670149-3.png (224.22 KB, 740x947, Grace VR 8.png)


 No.497317


 No.497318

File: 1706454902496-2.png (99.22 KB, 452x291, Grace looks at you.png)

File: 1706454902496-3.png (97.52 KB, 330x312, Grumpy Grace grrr.png)


 No.497319


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 No.497323

File: 1706455217721-0.png (800.11 KB, 1500x1500, grace 10 kitto.png)

File: 1706455217721-1.png (757.84 KB, 1500x1500, grace 17 kitto.png)

File: 1706455217721-2.png (894.03 KB, 1500x1500, grace 5 kitto.png)

File: 1706455217721-3.png (923.01 KB, 1500x1500, grace 1 kitto.png)


 No.497324

File: 1706455289892-0.png (787.31 KB, 1500x1500, grace 8 kitto.png)

File: 1706455289892-1.png (752.46 KB, 1500x1500, grace 26 kitto.png)

File: 1706455289892-2.png (794.96 KB, 1500x1500, grace 21 kitto.png)

File: 1706455289892-3.png (793.32 KB, 1500x1500, grace 22 kitto.png)


 No.497326

File: 1706455358736-0.png (710.98 KB, 1500x1500, grace 15 kitto.png)

File: 1706455358736-1.png (711.75 KB, 1500x1500, grace 16 kitto.png)

File: 1706455358736-2.png (401.05 KB, 829x745, grace w laurel.png)

File: 1706455358736-3.png (475.48 KB, 829x745, grace w laurel 2.png)


 No.497327

File: 1706455452953-0.png (707.52 KB, 1500x1500, grace 24 kitto.png)

File: 1706455452953-1.png (780.71 KB, 1500x1500, grace 23 kitto.png)

File: 1706455452953-2.png (979.77 KB, 2600x1992, grace 4 kitto.png)

File: 1706455452953-3.png (775.92 KB, 1500x1500, grace 9 kitto.png)


 No.497330

File: 1706455569531-0.png (849.89 KB, 1500x1500, grace 2 kitto.png)

File: 1706455569531-1.png (809.17 KB, 1500x1500, grace 11 kitto.png)

File: 1706455569531-2.png (881.8 KB, 1500x1500, grace 3 kitto.png)

File: 1706455569531-3.jpg (19.42 KB, 400x400, AI Grace chan.jpg)


 No.497331

File: 1706455664037-0.png (1.09 MB, 1500x1500, grace 28 kitto.png)

File: 1706455664037-1.png (1.09 MB, 1500x1500, grace 27 kitto.png)

File: 1706455664037-2.png (951.68 KB, 1500x1500, grace 25 kitto.png)

File: 1706455664037-3.png (1.25 MB, 1636x1500, grace happy kitto.png)


 No.497334

File: 1706455749708-0.png (997.5 KB, 1500x1500, grace 20 kitto.png)

File: 1706455749708-1.png (842.95 KB, 1500x1500, grace 19 kitto.png)

File: 1706455749708-2.png (931.61 KB, 1500x1500, grace 12 kitto.png)

File: 1706455749708-3.png (964.91 KB, 1500x1500, grace 7 kitto.png)


 No.497335

File: 1706455809767-0.png (833.81 KB, 3000x3000, Grace mic OC.png)

File: 1706455809767-1.png (814.83 KB, 3000x3000, Grace wink OC.png)

File: 1706455809767-2.png (728.36 KB, 3000x3000, Grace popcorn 2.png)

File: 1706455809767-3.png (728.1 KB, 3000x3000, Grace popcorn 1.png)


 No.497336

File: 1706455882615-0.png (961.79 KB, 1500x1500, grace jean bodin kitto.png)

File: 1706455882615-3.png (1022.12 KB, 1500x1500, grace caligula kitto.png)


 No.497337

File: 1706455946310-0.png (1.08 MB, 1500x1500, grace bossuet kitto.png)

File: 1706455946310-3.png (132.35 KB, 512x512, grace ex grrr.png)


 No.497339

File: 1706456050114-0.png (141.59 KB, 851x900, 1666814326383.png)

File: 1706456050114-1.png (875.71 KB, 4000x4000, grace qt 2.png)

File: 1706456050114-2.png (937.43 KB, 4000x4000, Grace qt.png)

File: 1706456050114-3.png (546.03 KB, 2133x2462, Grace qt blushing 2.png)


 No.497342

File: 1706456125217-0.jpg (129.32 KB, 792x446, Grace stonks.jpg)

File: 1706456125217-1.png (256.83 KB, 1302x1550, grace smile flip.png)

File: 1706456125217-2.png (77.87 KB, 1302x1550, Grace icup smile.png)

File: 1706456125217-3.png (1.62 MB, 3100x3100, Grace icup ball.png)


 No.497343

File: 1706456252348-0.png (1.22 MB, 1024x1024, 1663871218980-2.png)

File: 1706456252348-1.png (1.22 MB, 1024x1024, 1663871218980-1.png)

File: 1706456252348-3.png (147.07 KB, 550x616, Grace cropped.png)


 No.497344

File: 1706456340424-0.png (779.27 KB, 2000x2000, grace pizza hut laptop.png)

File: 1706456340424-2.png (1.37 MB, 3000x3000, Grace mic icup.png)

File: 1706456340424-3.png (807.6 KB, 3000x3000, Grace mic wink.png)


 No.497345

File: 1706456427755-0.jpg (36.41 KB, 375x314, grace eyes glance.jpg)

File: 1706456427755-1.png (730.25 KB, 2439x3600, Grace no line.png)

File: 1706456427755-2.jpg (243.67 KB, 1708x2048, 1643679542925-0.jpg)


 No.497347

File: 1706456510669-0.png (256.89 KB, 1547x1953, 1633897281981.png)

File: 1706456510669-1.png (395.56 KB, 768x1024, Grace vomits.png)

File: 1706456510669-2.png (173.93 KB, 649x588, Grace vomits crop.png)

File: 1706456510669-3.png (254.66 KB, 902x784, Grace soft crop.png)


 No.497348

File: 1706456605330-2.png (1.09 MB, 1522x1100, 14 lichess.png)

File: 1706456605330-3.png (1.18 MB, 1522x1100, 13 Pandemic2.png)


 No.497352

Minecraft Grace Alunya cosplay

 No.497354

Grace normal MC skin

 No.497355

Alunya MC skin

 No.497357

File: 1706457182203-0.png (5.04 KB, 231x306, Rodina MC preview.png)

File: 1706457182203-2.png (1.62 KB, 64x64, Rodina slim.png)

Rodina MC skin

 No.497362

File: 1706457425734-1.png (462.07 KB, 765x672, 1610606487231.png)

File: 1706457425734-2.png (2.64 MB, 3740x2808, 357ddz8me7.png)

File: 1706457425734-3.png (2.66 MB, 3408x2800, Gr01m.png)

Older (outdated) pics people like

 No.497365

This is an old pic from about 2019 w/ Grace and Winter Chan.

 No.497366


 No.497375

File: 1706458383607-0.jpg (3.13 MB, 4500x3000, bastille_grace.jpg)

File: 1706458383607-2.png (140.65 KB, 700x550, 167373509071809.png)


 No.497379


 No.497382

File: 1706458879175-0.png (398.63 KB, 1027x834, alunya pillory.png)

File: 1706458879175-1.png (325.56 KB, 1332x1580, alunya_graceball.png)

File: 1706458879175-2.png (55.25 KB, 889x203, 01023.png)


 No.497385

File: 1706459191914-1.jpg (604.98 KB, 1400x1979, E8QxsRcVkAIqtHO.jpg)

File: 1706459191914-2.jpg (437.74 KB, 1400x1193, E8Qxs-7UYAYcQsy.jpg)

File: 1706459191914-3.jpg (349.64 KB, 1536x1536, yVZ3o-NE.jpg large.jpg)


 No.497389

File: 1706459872375-0.png (1008.61 KB, 1350x1500, Junta 02 fix.png)

File: 1706459872375-1.png (936.87 KB, 1350x1500, Junta 03.png)

File: 1706459872375-2.png (855.54 KB, 1350x1500, Grace watermelon.png)

File: 1706459872375-3.png (620.72 KB, 1350x1500, Alunya watermelon.png)


 No.497393

File: 1706460125130-0.png (1.94 MB, 3000x3000, cat x girl sketch.png)

File: 1706460125130-2.mp4 (686.01 KB, 854x480, 1618942786351.mp4)


 No.497413

Some reading lists I put together and pamphlets.

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 No.497420

File: 1706461597920-0.jpg (2.94 MB, 4247x4009, Egypt t01.jpg)

File: 1706461597920-1.jpg (2.23 MB, 2641x2848, Egypt t03.jpg)

File: 1706461597920-2.jpg (1.74 MB, 3104x2222, Egypt t04.jpg)

File: 1706461597920-3.jpg (1.68 MB, 3144x1710, Egypt t08.jpg)


 No.497424

File: 1706461760969-0.jpg (513.55 KB, 2917x534, Egypt t09.jpg)

File: 1706461760969-1.jpg (299.57 KB, 1310x1824, FzgSrpBXwAE7uC9.jpg)

File: 1706461760969-2.png (86.06 KB, 1462x1342, FzgSv5bWwAMRKYO.png)

File: 1706461760969-3.png (3.85 MB, 2800x4582, grace recites paper.png)


 No.497426

File: 1706462332534-0.jpg (460.34 KB, 1532x2048, 84tiO7X8.jpg large.jpg)

File: 1706462332534-1.jpg (139.93 KB, 688x1024, dPTT0NJ5.jpg medium.jpg)

File: 1706462332534-2.jpg (208.49 KB, 2048x1182, Caligula quote.jpg)

File: 1706462332534-3.jpg (212.63 KB, 1669x1136, LXad970e.jpg)


 No.497427

>>497417
>Patriarchy and matriarchy are based
The entire ideology of monarchism.

 No.497428

File: 1706462519668-0.png (445.68 KB, 1100x600, Jean Bodin on the HRE.png)

File: 1706462519668-1.png (1.37 MB, 1001x999, 1622175977379-0.png)

File: 1706462519668-2.jpg (107.76 KB, 1020x948, b314NQpX.jpg medium.jpg)


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 No.497432

File: 1706463290481-0.png (2.41 MB, 3225x3082, Monarchomachist!.png)

File: 1706463290481-1.jpg (252.03 KB, 791x1040, Grace picture fold.jpg)

File: 1706463290481-2.jpg (742.96 KB, 1564x2048, n3D2ZH7w.jpg)

File: 1706463290481-3.jpg (712.52 KB, 1558x2048, oz8mQ1UA.jpg)


 No.497433


 No.497434

File: 1706463810086-0.jpg (358.85 KB, 1669x1134, kY6MWkhv.jpg)

File: 1706463810086-1.jpg (603.29 KB, 2048x2048, IK3Yr1t9.jpg)

File: 1706463810086-2.jpg (561.61 KB, 1600x1200, FV5Xa1AXkAA1AXx.jpg)


 No.497439


 No.497458

more leftist fan art.

 No.497465

other pics lefty anons drew of Grace

 No.497933

File: 1706549615522.png (275.5 KB, 1000x1000, 30.png)

These are all my Grace pics.
Has anyone made a Grace folder yet?

 No.497945

File: 1706552435898-0.png (128.59 KB, 457x645, thumbs_up.png)


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Plato Republic
>Can there be any greater evil than disc0rd and distraction and plurality where unity ought to reign? or any greater good than the bond of unity?

I made observations on DPRK with consideration of Jean Bodin and Hobbes' Leviathan, but now I'm also starting to see Plato's Republic.

I recall, that I talked about appetites and aversions in Hobbes' Leviathan and a DPRK video reminded me of that – I also recently found the same is shared in Plato's Republic.

Plato Republic
>And there is unity where there is community of pleasures and pains–where all the citizens are glad or grieved on the same occasions of joy and sorrow?

>No doubt.


>Yes; and where there is no common but only private feeling a State is disorganizedwhen you have one half of the world triumphing and the other plunged in grief at the same events happening to the city or the citizens?


>Certainly.


In this DPRK video, the lyrics:
>his love is our love
>his aversion is our aversion
–I said that was Leviathanesque, and reminded me of how Hobbes talked about appetites and aversions, and how I knew earlier parts of his philosophy translated into his civil philosophy.

I'll pull over some posts from my last thread.

Thomas Hobbes: Civil Sovereign is the Head, Source, Root, & Sun
>The Civil Sovereign in every Common-wealth, is the Head, the Source, the Root, and the Sun, from which all Jurisdiction is derived. And therefore, the Jurisdiction of Bishops, is derived from the Civil Sovereign.

Thomas Hobbes: Sovereign Power, Generalissimo
>For the power by which the people are to be defended consists in their armies, and the strength of an army in the union of their strength under one command; which command the sovereign instituted, therefore has, because the command of the militia, without other institution, makes him that has it sovereign. And therefore, whosoever is made general of an army, he that has the sovereign power is always generalissimo.

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<Plato / There won't be any difference, so far as ruling is concerned, between the character of a great household & the bulk of a small city
>Visitor: Well then, surely there won't be any difference, so far as ruling is concerned, between the character of a great household, on the one hand, and the bulk of a small city on the other? – Young Socrates: None. – It's clear that there is one sort of expert knowledge concerned with all these things; whether someone gives this the name of kingship, or statesmanship, or household management, let's not pick any quarrel with him.

<Bodin / A household or family, the true model of a Commonwealth

>So that Aristotle following Xenophon, seems to me without any probable cause, to have divided the Economical government from the Political, and a City from a Family; which can no otherwise be done, than if we should pull the members from the body; or go about to build a City without houses… Wherefore as a family well and wisely ordered, is the true image of a City, and the domestical government, in sort, like unto the sovereignty in a Commonwealth: so also is the manner of the government of a house or family, the true model for the government of a Commonwealth… And whilest every particular member of the body does his duty, we live in good and perfect health; so also where every family is kept in order, the whole city shall be well and peaceably governed.

<Filmer / Political & Economic, No Different

>Aristotle gives the lie to Plato, and those that say that political and economical societies are all one, and do not differ specie, but only multitudine et paucitate, as if there were 'no difference betwixt a great house and a little city'. All the argument I find he brings against them is this: 'The community of man and wife differs from the community of master and servant, because they have several ends. The intention of nature, by conjunction of male and female, is generation. But the scope of master and servant is only preservation, so that a wife and a servant are by nature distinguished. Because nature does not work like the cutlers at Delphos, for she makes but one thing for one use.' If we allow this argument to be sound, nothing doth follow but only this, that conjugal and despotical [lordly / master] communities do differ. But it is no consequence that therefore economical and political societies do the like. For, though it prove a family to consist of two distinct communities, yet it follows not that a family and a commonwealth are distinct, because, as well in the commonweal as in the family, both these communities are found.

>Suarez proceeds, and tells us that 'in process of time Adam had complete economical power'. I know not what he means by this complete economical power, nor how or in what it doth really and essentially differ from political. If Adam did or might exercise in his family the same jurisdiction which a King doth now in a commonweal, then the kinds of power are not distinct. And though they may receive an accidental difference by the amplitude or extent of the bounds of the one beyond the other, yet since the like difference is also found in political estates, it follows that economical and political power differ no otherwise than a little commonweal differs from a great one. Next, saith Suarez, 'community did not begin at the creation of Adam'. It is true, because he had nobody to communicate with. Yet community did presently follow his creation, and that by his will alone, for it was in his power only, who was lord of all, to appoint what his sons have in proper and what in common. So propriety and community of goods did follow originally from him, and it is the duty of a Father to provide as well for the common good of his children as for their particular.


<Hobbes / That a Family is a little City

>"Propriety receiv'd its beginning, What's objected by some, That the propriety of goods, even before the constitution of Cities, was found in the Fathers of Families, that objection is vain, because I have already declar'd, That a Family is a little City. For the Sons of a Family have propriety of their goods granted them by their Father, distinguisht indeed from the rest of the Sons of the same Family, but not from the propriety of the Father himself; but the Fathers of diverse Families, who are subject neither to any common Father, nor Lord, have a common Right in all things."

I repost this above^
Because this is where it all comes together.

Aristotle:
>The rule of a household is a monarchy, for every house is under one head:
>whereas constitutional rule is a government of freemen and equals.

And Aristotle said, that it was also an erroneous opinion for Plato:
>Now there is an erroneous opinion that a statesman, king, householder, and master are the same, and that they differ, not in kind, but only in the number of their subjects. For example, the ruler over a few is called a master; over more, the manager of a household; over a still larger number, a statesman or king, as if there were no difference between a great household and a small state.

For the 1st and 2nd quote, it is stressed how the political and economical rule do differ. Not only that, but that constitutional or political rule is more appropriate for democracy or oligarchy than monarchy – (as government and freemen and equals).

Jean Bodin said that Aristotle rejected Plato's bringing together of democracy and monarchy. And Aristotle also said, that when the state becomes a monarch under a collection of people in a corporate unity like Hobbes' Leviathan, for him it ceases to be a State.

Jean Bodin:
>And the ancients (to assure Popular estates) did strive to equal all citizens in goods, honours, power, and rewards: and if any one were more virtuous, more just, or more wise, than the rest, he was banished, as I have showed before, seeking to make an equality, if it were possible: and even Plato did wish, That wives and children should be common to all, to the end that no many might say, This is mine, or, That is thine: for those words of Meum, and Tuum (said he) were the breeders of disc0rd, and the ruin of states.

>By the which there will grow many absurdities: for in so doing, a city shall be ruined, and become a household (as Aristotle said) although that a household or family (which is the true image of a Commonweal) has but one head.


Bodin notes here, that Aristotle sees the ruin of the State to be ordered like a Monarchy or Household: albeit some constitutionalists will try to think otherwise, this is fundamentally why I believe right libertarians are at odds with absolute monarchy as an ideal. They hold fast to Aristotle's notion. And that's why they say centralization and say all these things about us absolute monarchists.

Jean Bodin somewhat criticizes Plato and Aristotle both.
>And for this cause, an ancient lawmaker, being importuned by some one, to make his country a Popular estate: Make it (says he) in thine own house. And if they say, That it is a goodly thing so to unite citizens and a city, as to make one household of it, they must then take away the plurality of heads and commanders, which are in a Popular estate, to make a Monarch, as the true fathers of a family; and to cut off this equality of goods, power, honour, and commandment, which they seek to make in a Popular estate; for that it is incompatible in a family.

How does this doctrine make sense? that the political state or city is like a household? Consider this. A household has a vast array of servants and rooms. There are many rooms for many purposes. As a city has many services and buildings. And buildings for different purposes.

Household / Economic:
A room for the master's children to be educated with teachers
A kitchen for the cooks to provide food
A room for laundry
A room for books.

The City / Political:
It has schools / universities for people to be educated
It has a restaurant for people to eat and be served by food workers.
It has laundromats for people to clean their clothes
It has libraries for their public books.
Public services where the people can be masters with public servants

Jean Bodin also calls out those who would prefer an oligarchy to democracy or monarchy, on account of its moderation between the two.
>Yet those who have come from his school approve more highly the rule of the optimates, which lies halfway between a democracy and a monarchy. They err, however, in this respect, that they seem to place virtue in the average thing or number, not in the mean proportional. Indeed, if this is true no prince will ever be good, nor will any oligarchy be quarrelsome, because between one and many they place the mean of a few, like the mean of virtue. Yet if there is any excellence in numbers, I suppose that unity is most to be praised of all, as Plato himself most divinely wrote, in the book about entity and unity.

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North Korea is a great case study in this case.

For although Bodin didn't vibe well with Plato, in making the State as a household to mean equality of goods and no private property, bordering a popular estate.

North Korea is called a monarchy by the media (and I know leftypol still strongly protest this, but hear me out) – what interests me about North Korea is it seems to play into both sides of the discussion.

Since the household is said to be the image of the commoonwealth, but also the commonwealth the image of the household: it makes sense that North Korea seems to have both. In a way, Hobbes also played into both images: making the People to be One Person (or a Monarch): where North Korea ardently believes the People are Masters and their State is a great socialist family, but pair this also with their doctrine of the Leader.

This video related.
>Our father is Marshal Kim Jong Un, Our Home is the Party's embrace"
>With the Respected Marshal who loves people most and regards his trouble for the people as his joy as our father in the harmonious great family we are assisting each other in the warm cherished house, our socialist homeland

Indeed, in the other video, they have an assembly of mothers representing the mothers of the country, and they refer to the party as the mother party – and the leader, as their father. Representing the components of a household in a democratic fashion, but also the leader.

In a way, it is like they have them in common: but couldn't that also be said for other states? that we have our children in common with curfew laws, for instance, or other public mandates looking for their common good. – As Jean Bodin aptly says, we have things in proper, but also things in common. I don't see why we shouldn't also have both by his own reasoning.

That's what makes North Korea interesting to me.

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I believe North Korea has this synergy of what Bodin is talking about, but also Plato respectively, in this regard of the State being no different than a household.

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Absolutism & Fascism have a lot in common. More than people would like to admit.

1st, Absolutism & Fascism view the State as a unitary being. Their corporatism is similar to Hobbes' corporatism: that the State is a corporation of one person. And that carries us back to Plato, who saw the State as a unity.

2nd, Fascism revives and stresses an absolute will for the State.

3rd, for Fascism the State is absolute, the groups relative; in their corporatist doctrine, associations and the sort are limited under the State.

Jean Bodin:
>Provided that they [the family] are joined together by the legitimate and limited rule of the father.
>I have said "limited," since this fact chiefly distinguishes the Family from the State
>That the latter [The State] has the final and public authority.
>The former [The Family or Household] limited and private rule.

Thomas Hobbes in Leviathan:
<In All Bodies Politique [Any Corporation under the State] The Power Of The Representative Is Limited
>In Bodies Politique, the power of the Representative is always Limited: And that which prescribes the limits thereof, is the Power Sovereign. For Power Unlimited, is absolute Sovereignty. And the Sovereign, in every Commonwealth, is the absolute Representative of all the Subjects.

ᴉuᴉlossnW:
>For Fascism the State is absolute, the individuals & groups relative.

Giuseppe Bottai writes in The Corporative State:
>However, in speaking of the corporative State, it must not be understood as meaning only all that which pertains to the relations between employers and workers - relations based on a principle of collaboration rather than upon a struggle of classes. Fascism with its new arrangements aims at a more complex end. This, summed up in a few words, is "to reassert the sovereignty of the State over those syndicates, which, whether of an economic or social kind, when left to themselves broke out at one time against the State, subjecting the will of the individual to their own arbitrary decision, almost musing the rise of judicial provisions alien to the legal order of the State, opposing their own right to the right of the State, subordinating to their own interests the defenceless classes, and even the general interest, of which the State is naturally the judge, champion and avenger ".

>In this way, having as a solid basis the principle of functional subordination of the Associations to the State, the corporative arrangement, as it progresses by degrees proves itself to be the foundation of the high political structure.


>This, then, is the achievement of the Fascist State, in which there are no individuals or groups of individuals which it does not recognize, subordinate and regulate, according to its aims.


>Since as a truly sovereign State, it seeks to be adequate to the civil society which makes up its structure–


So when anons were saying in the Study Fascism thread – that there was no merit in studying Absolutism to study Fascism – imo they were wrong to dismiss it.

However, I am surprised at how much Fascism advocate privatization, esp. in early Fascism, calling to reduce State monopolies and privatize numerous institutions that I'm surprised right libertarians or Hoppeans hate Fascism.

 No.498028

Giovanni Gentile
>Both Nationalism & Fascism place the State at the foundation–for both, the State is not a consequence, but a beginning.
>For nationalists, the State is conceived as prior to the individual.

Aristotle:
>Further, the State is by nature clearly prior to the family & individual, since the whole is of necessity prior to the part.

Giovanni Gentile:
>For Fascism, on the other hand, the State and the individual are one, or better, perhaps, "State" & "individual" are terms that are inseparable in a necessary synthesis.

I look at this synthesis of "State" and "Individual" as something absolute monarchists brought about – because our concern was justifying the pre-eminence of one individual person such as a monarch: to make them on par or superior with the power of the State.

This De Jouvenel wrote scathingly–

>Where will it all end? In the destruction of all other command for the benefit of one alone – that of the State. In each man's absolute freedom from every family and social authority, a freedom the price of which is complete submission to the State. In the complete equality as between themselves of all citizens, paid for by their equal abasement before the power of their absolute master – the State. In the disappearance of every constraint which does not emanate from the State, and in denial of every pre-eminence which is not approved by the State. In a word, it ends in the atomization of society, and in the rupture of every private tie linking man and man, whose only bond is their common bondage to the State. The extremes of Individualism and Socialism meet: that was their predestined course.


-Bertrand De Jouvenel

<The extremes of Individualism and Socialism meet:


ᴉuᴉlossnW
>In so far as it is embodied in a State, this higher personality becomes a nation.
>It is not the nation which generates the State
>Rather is it the State which creates the nation, conferring volition and therefore real life on a people made aware of their moral unity.

This is somewhat like Hobbes' view: that before the institution of the State, there was only a multitude and no such people. The State as a corporation of One Person, formally called "The People" in Hobbes' view.

Bossuet:
>To imagine now, with M. Jurieu, in the people considered to be in this condition, a sovereignty, which is already a species of government, is to insist on a government before all government, and to contradict oneself. Far from the people being sovereign in this condition, there is not even a people in this state. There may be families, as ill-governed as they are ill-secured; there may well be a troop, a mass of people, a confused multitude; but there can be no people, because people supposes something which already brings together some regulated conduct and some establshed law – something which happens only to those who have already begun to leave this unhappy condition, that is to say, that of anarchy.

Joseph de Maistre
>If sovereignty is not anterior to the people, at least these two ideas are collateral, since a sovereign is necessary to make a people. It is as impossible to imagine a human society, a people, without a sovereign as a hive and bees without a queen: for, by virtue of the eternal laws of nature, a swarm of bees exists in this way or it does not exist at all. Society and sovereignty are thus born together; it is impossible to separate these two ideas. Imagine an isolated man: there is no question of laws or government, since he is not a whole man and society does not yet exist. Put this man in contact with his fellowmen: from this moment you suppose a sovereign. The first man was king over his children; each isolated family was governed in the same way. But once these families joined, a sovereign was needed, and this sovereign made a people of

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I like to think that Hobbes Leviathan and North Korea both achieve that ideal of Monarchy and Democracy together that Plato considered (in Plato Laws, I think – I haven't looked into how exactly Plato described this)

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But Bodin said that Plato didn't list a mixed govt as a form of State, and that I suppose Bodin believes either would be either a State and Government (which Bodin said is different from mixing them). Yet Jean Bodin also said that it was a simple democracy.

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Might consider re-watching Tenchi Muyo.
I should find something new to entertain /siberia/ with.

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>>498073
I keep seeing thi sgoofy-ass harem series, it genuinely makes me curious.

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(edit: sleeve removed from blush pic)

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what a generic and shitty oc

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>>498505
She could use better clothes, ngl.

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>>498505
shut the fuck up

>>498512
Grace-chan is perfect! She does not need to change.

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I am considering alternative designs / clothes.
The essentials will likely stay.

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>>499000 (checked)
What is Grace-chan singing?

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>>498551
Her blue uniform with dark tights was awesome.

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>>499014
probably battotai or rule brittania

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GRACE
IT'S OVER

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I agree with /leftypol/ that a left-wing side of Fascism is laughable, because from what I read they championed a great deal of privatization.
Also how hard it is to define Fascism compared to others: it is like this unicorn people cannot understand.

>>500370
That is concerning, because the Church of England doesn't seem to be warming up well to his successor Prince William.

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Isocrates on Monarchy:
>Thus it is clear that monarchy is the most efficient form of government. It is said even the gods are under the kingship of Zeus; even if this were untrue, yet the fact that we imagine that the gods are under a monarchy is an admission that we consider it the best form of government.

>In oligarchies and democracies, the rulers have private interests, further they only meet occasionally and opportunities for action are missed; monarchs are continually occupied in the public interest. Again, the former are jealous and wish to exalt themselves at the expense of their predecessors and successors, the latter seek the goo will of all. But the greatest difference is that monarchs treat public affairs as their own concern, other rulers transact them as if they were other people's business, and they choose their advisors accordingly.


>Those who hold office for one year only have to retire before they have mastered their duties; a monarch has the advantage of continuous experience. Again, he knows that he has to superintend everything; the oligarchic and democratic ruler has colleagues, and much remains undone because each thinks the other is doing it.


>Obey the laws which have been laid down by kings, but consider their manner of life your highest law. For just as one who is a citizen in a democracy must pay court to the multitude, so also one who lives under a monarchy should revere the king.

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Today I am feeling sick.
Sensitive and ringing sensation.
A bit fatigued and weak.

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>>500472
Get well soon!

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>>500478
Thanks, anon.
Being sick has made me very moody.
You help me feel better.

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I think I have the flu.
High temperatures, achy body, headaches, shaky*

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Grace I think you got COVID you should get that shit checked out.

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>no new posts in two days
Graceposter are you doing alright??

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>>500977
still sick.
I am recovering from some symptoms
(no more high fever or aches or throat pain, but still a little chested and runny).

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>>501211
I pray for your recovery. I caught Covid twice during the pandemic, having flu suck balls

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>be me
>listening to this music all day

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parts 1-3

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parts 4-6
(a work in progress)

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At the root of Constitutional Monarchists & Right Libertarians fuss, De Tocqueville's, De Jouvenel's, Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn's, Hoppe's disapproval of absolute monarchy and for the centralization/decentralization meme,–is Aristotle (the granddaddy of constitutionalism), & 3 points of Aristotle against it:

1.That the political & economical do differ: his pretense of freemen and the constitutionalism of freemen & equals is for the political estate, monarchy under one head is proper for the economic;

2. An assembly or composite brain can always bring more food to the table than a wise man (food argument);

3. The State or Political is not a unity, but a plurality; and the State should not be organized to be a Monarch or like a household under one head (which is inappropriate for political rule, but economic).

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Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan on Worship
>But in a larger use of the word Image, is contained also, any Representation of one thing by another. So an earthly Soveraign may be called the Image of God: And an inferiour Magistrate the Image of an earthly Soveraign.

>To be uncovered, before a man of Power and Authority, or before the Throne of a Prince, or in such other places as hee ordaineth to that purpose in his absence, is to Worship that man, or Prince with Civill Worship; as being a signe, not of honoring the stoole, or place, but the Person; and is not Idolatry. But if hee that doth it, should suppose the Soule of the Prince to be in the Stool, or should present a Petition to the Stool, it were Divine Worship, and Idolatry.


>To pray to a King for such things, as hee is able to doe for us, though we prostrate our selves before him, is but Civill Worship; because we acknowledge no other power in him, but humane: But voluntarily to pray unto him for fair weather, or for any thing which God onely can doe for us, is Divine Worship, and Idolatry. On the other side, if a King compell a man to it by the terrour of Death, or other great corporall punishment, it is not Idolatry: For the Worship which the Soveraign commandeth to bee done unto himself by the terrour of his Laws, is not a sign that he that obeyeth him, does inwardly honour him as a God, but that he is desirous to save himselfe from death, or from a miserable life; and that which is not a sign of internall honor, is no Worship; and therefore no Idolatry. Neither can it bee said, that hee that does it, scandalizeth, or layeth any stumbling block before his Brother; because how wise, or learned soever he be that worshippeth in that manner, another man cannot from thence argue, that he approveth it; but that he doth it for fear; and that it is not his act, but the act of the Soveraign.


<Honour And Worship What

>Honour consisteth in the inward thought, and opinion of the Power, and Goodnesse of another: and therefore to Honour God, is to think as Highly of his Power and Goodnesse, as is possible. And of that opinion, the externall signes appearing in the Words, and Actions of men, are called Worship; which is one part of that which the Latines understand by the word Cultus: For Cultus signifieth properly, and constantly, that labour which a man bestowes on any thing, with a purpose to make benefit by it. Now those things whereof we make benefit, are either subject to us, and the profit they yeeld, followeth the labour we bestow upon them, as a naturall effect; or they are not subject to us, but answer our labour, according to their own Wills. In the first sense the labour bestowed on the Earth, is called Culture; and the education of Children a Culture of their mindes. In the second sense, where mens wills are to be wrought to our purpose, not by Force, but by Compleasance, it signifieth as much as Courting, that is, a winning of favour by good offices; as by praises, by acknowledging their Power, and by whatsoever is pleasing to them from whom we look for any benefit. And this is properly Worship: in which sense Publicola, is understood for a Worshipper of the People, and Cultus Dei, for the Worship of God.

<Several Signs of Honour

>From internal Honour, consisting in the opinion of Power and Goodness, arise three Passions; Love, which hath reference to Goodness; and Hope, and Fear, that relate to Power: And three parts of external worship; Praise, Magnifying, and Blessing: The subject of Praise, being Goodness; the subject of Magnifying, and Blessing, being Power, and the effect thereof Felicity. Praise, and Magnifying are significant both by Words, and Actions: By Words, when we say a man is Good, or Great: By Actions, when we thank him for his Bounty, and obey his Power. The opinion of the Happiness of another, can only be expressed by words.

<Worship Natural and Arbitrary

>There be some signs of Honour, (both in Attributes and Actions,) that be Naturally so; as among Attributes, Good, Just, Liberal, and the like; and among Actions, Prayers, Thanks, and Obedience. Others are so by Institution, or Custom of men; and in some times and places are Honourable; in others Dishonourable; in others Indifferent: such as are the Gestures in Salutation, Prayer, and Thanksgiving, in different times and places, differently used. The former is Natural; the later Arbitrary Worship.

<Worship Commanded and Free

>And of Arbitrary Worship, there be two differences: For sometimes it is a Commanded, sometimes Voluntary Worship: Commanded, when it is such as he requireth, who is Worshipped: Free, when it is such as the Worshipper thinks fit. When it is Commanded, not the words, or gestures, but the obedience is the Worship. But when Free, the Worship consists in the opinion of the beholders: for if to them the words, or actions by which we intend honour, seem ridiculous, and tending to contumely; they are not Worship; because a sign is not a sign to him that giveth it, but to him to whom it is made; that is, to the spectator.

<Worship Public and Private

>Again, there is a Public, and a Private Worship. Public, is the Worship that a Commonwealth performs, as one Person. Private, is that which a Private person exhibits. Public, in respect of the whole Commonwealth, is Free; but in respect of Particular men it is not so Private, is in secret Free; but in the sight of the multitude, it is never without some Restraint either from the Laws, or from the Opinion of men; which is contrary to the nature of Liberty.

<The End of Worship

>The End of Worship among men, is Power. For where a man sees another worshipped supposes him powerful, and is the readier to obey him; which makes his Power greater. But God has no Ends: the worship we do him, proceeds from our duty, and is directed according to capacity, by those rules of Honour, that Reason dictates to be done by the weak to the more potent men, in hope of benefit, for fear of damage, or in thankfulness for good already received from them.

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>>504268
After reading Plato's Republic, I return to this political commentary with renewed understanding.

Like where Hobbes is concerned with outward motions and expressive gestures to signify worship and honor as the inward conscious thoughts.
>And of that opinion, the external signs appearing in the Words, and Actions of men, are called Worship; which is one part of that which the Latins understand by the word Cultus: For Cultus signifies properly, and constantly, that labour which a man bestows on any thing, with the purpose to make benefit by it.
>In the first sense the labour bestowed on the Earth, is called Culture; and the education of Children a Culture of their minds.
Hobbes continues with the distinction of civil worship (the external praises and magnifying, actions and expressions to give a sense of honor to the State, such as the use of its emblems in currency and pilgrimages to its sites like Mt. Rushmore):
>To be uncovered, before a man of Power and Authority, or before the Throne of a Prince, or in such other places as hee ordaineth to that purpose in his absence, is to Worship that man, or Prince with Civill Worship; as being a signe, not of honoring the stoole, or place, but the Person; and is not Idolatry.
>To pray to a King for such things, as hee is able to doe for us, though we prostrate our selves before him, is but Civill Worship; because we acknowledge no other power in him, but humane
Hobbes makes the distinction between civil and divine worship: the former any person makes in a way everyday, private and public, for ordinary things, and directed toward civil persons it is with the end of power; the latter is the worship of God, which does not proceed from want of power, but from our natural duty.


Thomas Hobbes Publique Worship Consisteth In Uniformity
>And this is Publique Worship; the property whereof, is to be Uniforme: For those actions that are done differently, by different men, cannot be said to be a Publique Worship. And therefore, where many sorts of Worship be allowed, proceeding from the different Religions of Private men, it cannot be said there is any Publique Worship, nor that the Common-wealth is of any Religion at all.

This all this from Hobbes reminds me of Plato's Republic.
Among the chief reason Plato wanted to abolish private property was to accomplish a unity of feeling. Where the State should be unified, and people should be united in feeling, in pleasure and pain, private property fractures the State: where others rejoice at their gain, others feel sorrow and loss, pitted against each other, and to the destruction of State.

Plato Republic
>And there is unity where there is community of pleasures and pains–where all the citizens are glad or grieved on the same occasions of joy and sorrow?

>No doubt.


>Yes; and where there is no common but only private feeling a State is disorganizedwhen you have one half of the world triumphing and the other plunged in grief at the same events happening to the city or the citizens?


>Certainly.


In a way, North Korea does capture what Plato was talking about, and I somewhat relate Hobbes to it also: both advocate uniformity of these expressions and emotions… while Fascist critics (and in particular Carl Schmitt criticized Hobbes for leaving private feelings) – I do Hobbes also accomplished that ideal in his work Leviathan, and advocated uniformity the same.
As I noted earlier, in a North Korea video about the Revolutionary Arms supporting only Kim Jong Un, they stressed that his aversions were their aversions, and his love their love: which I also thought was Leviathanesique and how Hobbes talked about appetites and aversions. (Much of his philosophy translates to his civil politics, no doubt).
I think it gives me a new depth in understanding politics.

 No.504318

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I saw this pic floating around and tbh these are the people I would probably be an apologist for.
I feel that King James VI & I doesn't get apologists, but more and more people (esp. Catholics lately) are for Charles I. In fact King James VI & I gets no attention from these groups and I detest it, mostly because of their flagrant Catholic bias and their dislike of his stances on monarchy.
Thomas Hobbes is obviously a controversial figure, but I will defend him as a sincere monarchist. I personally think Hobbes did make a sufficient case for a pre-eminent monarchy and actually did have royalist sympathies.
Louis XIV for a lot of the centralization / decentralization knacks hurled our way, but also because he is our figurehead I feel responsible to being an apologist for.
Caligula wasn't even that bad. Everything you can fault Caligula for wasn't that uncommon for other Roman emperors. I find his stories relatively tame and mild compared to others.

 No.504376

>>504318
>Caligula wasn't even that bad
bruh, the guy who made his horse a senate wasn't that bad? at least you aren't defending Nero I guess

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 No.504790

>>504376
he was real for that

 No.506874

bump I need Grace-chan pics

 No.507469

Following the Sun rising from Mt. Paektu 🌄
Our hearts are beating faster with every step 🫀🩸
We are the children of the Grand Marshal Kim Il Sung 🇰🇵

 No.507475

>If you are my fan I consider you as my family, blood related.

<Over the years we became a family. You are all my family. My children are your children and all children of the world are our children and our responsibility.


>It was you who put your heart on the line. It was you who stepped forward to defend someone you love. It was you, on a worldwide basis who supported me as my army, my soldiers of love. You were always there. You are always loyal and I love you forever.

-Michael Jackson

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 No.507765

>>507469
Children's choirs suck ASS. I have no idea why people want to listen to the shrill, high-pitched, lack of volume controlled screaming of kids.

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 No.507791

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Why did they break up? :(

 No.508026

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>someone is finally promoting my OC and content
<immediately it gets slammed by some hardcore ultra-tradcath carlist
This is why I hate dealing with traditionalists and carlists, everyone.
They're such stubborn constitutionalists.

 No.508027

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Most other monarchists themselves and traditionalists are my biggest obstacle.
It's not easy to win them over for various reasons.
Too many nefarious influences working on their minds.

 No.508725

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It's the price we pay for Hobbes being the face of absolutism.
That the traditional catholics hate us.
I can't pretend they like Bodin much better, but Hobbes is a red flag and has to avoid being named too often in those circles
As anyone should know if they follow this thread how the community is divided between constitutionalists and traditional catholics with a side of right libertarian hoppe stuff.

 No.508732

>>508725
How many monarchists are there anyway? I can't imagine it being a very big community.

 No.508734

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>>508732
Last I checked… r/monarchism had less people than r/abolishthemonarchy.
It's that bad, and r/monarchism is our biggest hub I know of.
You'll find smaller pockets of monarchists in social media, forums, and 4ch /pol/ (outside of r/monarchism there's that traditionalist fold of tradcaths).
A lot of right libertarians jumped on board with Hoppe and the blogsphere.
I only represent the most fringe minority of monarchists and the only group that actually aspires towards the pre-eminent ideal of monarchy as a form of State

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The e-monarchists at 4ch /pol/ disgust me.
They're more regicidal than the leftists here (even Leninhat).
If you talk to them, you'd think the only merit to Monarchy is that it only takes one bullet to kill one monarch.

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With the cream of the crop hardcore ultra-traditional Catholics, the only monarchy they're looking out for is the Pope's monarchy:
Paired with the notable examples of the Habsburgs and Carlism.
The constitutional monarchists… they have a lot more to say for democracy tbh.
Both these communities render monarchy null imo.
Right libertarians? forget it. They'll immediately drop monarchy the moment it pricks their free market or something-something centralization.
I have very low optimism for the e-monarchists considering all this.

 No.508738

>>508735
>the only merit to Monarchy is that it only takes one bullet to kill one monarch.
sorry but this goes hard

 No.508740

>>508738
>only takes one bullet to kill one monarch
Technically true, but you know, you can never have just one…

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 No.509062

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grace has lost her monopoly over /siberia/.
it's over.
/siberia/ has fallen…
zillions must die.

 No.509073

>>509062
Grace is the only one for us

 No.509618

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Plato's plea to abolish private property, that the State is divided, that half the State is mourning, the other half celebrating, – it's pretty compelling.

I said before, that nations are cults of personality, working on the people's mind into the frame of one persona and identity.

It is the same with race, like Plato said: instead private property dividing the feels of people, it's diverse properties of persons dividing their feelings, causing them to be grieved at each other, and celebrating and mourning at different occasions.

Race is a cult of personality, taking a group of people, and giving them all traits and appearances like one person. Racism is all about trying to strive toward that unity.

I think what drew me to monarchy is the same feeling: in democracies, I see people disorganized and drawn against each other (the system encourages this)… but the unity of one person such as a monarchy abolishes that division.

 No.509810

>>509618
>…but the unity of one person such as a monarchy abolishes that division.

Hmm, but, why would monarchy 'abolish' that division instead of preparing the realized state which produces condradictions to itself, the revolution thus already sparked in monarchist regimes, if those monarchies already abolished the 'division', the people's exertions would be uniform, yet, it was not.

Isn't it solely 'your' feeling that you believe so? I'd say the same for the revolutionaries who believed that the emergence of a people's assembly taking the place of the royal court would manifest a progression sublimated by the human consciousness in it's journey of abstract freedom.

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 No.509934

>>509926
Wow, looking good!

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>>511010
> taking a picture of Alunya in the royal dress
> thinking about how Alunya would look in it on their wedding day
> laughing at Alunya almost tripping over due to the big fluffy skirt
> noticing that some Romesco sauce dripped on the royal dress while Alunya was wearing it

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 No.512996

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In tribute to Haiti and recent events, Haitian Grace sings the praises of King Henri I (Henri Christophe).
His personal story is tragic, and after his personal health failing and the loss of support – committed suicide.
The King of Haiti is well known for his palace and the massive citadel he constructed in apprehension of a French invasion. They are tourist attractions and a site of Haiti's national heritage.

 No.512998

This is the ruins of Henri I's palace.

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>>512996
>>512998
>blacc grace
never knew I needed this until now

sad that Haiti never managed to catch a break, a violent revolution after another, then an invasion by the French, then another, and another, and another, then a blockade, then an embargo, then another, then a US invasion that stole from their treasury, then a plague doctor in charge, then lard ass joey from Vancouver writes on Twitter "haha Uyghurs can't create a nation"

this is the pistol henri used to an hero btw

 No.513007

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The Duvalier dynasty of Papa Doc and Baby Doc had their own dictatorship and sovereignty over Haiti. The wife of Baby Doc was also relate to Henri I.

 No.513011

Here are videos on Barbecue.

 No.513012

>>513011
>made barbeque hungry for power
terrible choice of words

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 No.513015

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idk what to make of Barbecue wearing this freemason necklace.
So Haitian Grace and Royal Colony will be neutral on this crisis.
Hopefully the spirit of Henri I and Papa Doc descends over that island country.

 No.513016

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>>513015
At first, Haitian Grace was perplexed.
Why does Barbecue wear that?
But then I realized, their faction is called G9, and others wear it too.
The gang might be wearing the freemason necklaces for the letter G. It might be a gang symbol they appropriated.

 No.513169

>>513016
The G stands for Grace-chan.

 No.513323

>>490348
Where can I fetch that avatar?

 No.513324

>>513323
Go to >>>/draw/3811
Or go to VRchat and search Alunya at the Prismic Avatar Search world.

 No.513336

Papa Doc was very much an anti-communist and hatec Castro. That's why the US was able to tolerate him.

 No.513467

>>513336
>Papa Doc was very much an anti-communist
That's okay, b/c Haitian Grace is a Black nationalist.

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That is enough of Haitian Grace for now.

 No.513491

Is Haiti your current hyperfixation?

 No.514345

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>>513491
it's cringe as fuck to see them paintbucketing grace rather than making a new character

 No.514366

>>514358
Getting new Grace pictures is always nice, even if they are just paintbucketed.

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 No.514717

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Grace to Alunya:

 No.515487

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g-grace?! what are you doing?!

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 No.516214

What's up with cancer and the British royal family?

 No.516734

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 No.516757

>>516734
>>516735
Thank you for the cute pictures!!

 No.516995

>>516992
this should be in the fanfic thread.
not here

 No.517697

>>497379
these threads are such gem mines

 No.518236

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This journalist seething at the royalist yellowshirt rally.

 No.518240

>>518236
monarchads can't stop winning

 No.518245

>>518236
i don't like this image, she is smug, she is mocking me

 No.518249

tenno grace qveen, i found a game that you may like, it has your name on it.

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 No.518547

>>518448
>>518449
very cute :3

 No.518556

Grace-poster do you have any of the Alunya-Grace rap battle saved?

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>>518556
I do.
but I don't feel like posting them

 No.518683

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>>518547
I wish I had more heckin' cute Grace pics.
maybe an anon will draw Grace someday or request some artist to draw her

 No.518684

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Incitatus, Incitatus, where is it you roam? 🐎
Grazing among the fields, never far from home.
Incitatus, Incitatus, can you hear this song? 🐴
Singing from in my heart, all along.

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 No.518693

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>>517697
>>516757
We need more cute Alunya art too.
/leftypol/ needs drawfags like the old days.

 No.518701

>>518681
Aww, why not? I remember the Grace verses being fun! They are badly needed over at >>>/music/11533.

 No.519010

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>>518701
I posted it

 No.519015

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leftypol.org's UI feels like leftychan's UI now.
leftypol.org has fallen.

 No.519022

>>519010
Thank you!!

 No.519219

>>519015
I thought it was for April's fools. They really need to switch it back to the jungle theme.

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>lewdposting in royal colony
at least drawfriend made Alunya the sub & Grace the dom

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This North Korean children's cartoon is right.
There should be one person to lead in war and peace.

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>>520135
But isn't Grace-chan a pillow princess?

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>>520171
Grace is a pillow princess b/c she likes to get comfy.

 No.520471

Someone drew Grace hazbin hotel style fanart.
I like Charlie

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>>520471
basado

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>>520471
Very cute. Charlie was better in the pilot though where she still had a bit of crazy demon bitch in her. She's too boring in the actual show.

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>>520470
Gracedom confirmed??

 No.520958

Aristotle / Suckled by the same milk, of the same blood
>And this is the reason why Hellenic states were originally governed by kings; …the kingly form of government prevailed because they were of the same blood [and suckled 'with the same milk']

 No.520959

"O he links his feelings with the people with the blood relationship" -World of Humane Affection

"Nobody can cut our bloodline linked with him" -To the End of the Earth

"Our ties to the General is as to our own flesh and blood. Like a family to our hearts. Always with him, our whole people as one single mind" -Single-minded people

"For high ideals, to become one with him… We are all under his guidance. Nothing in this world can separate us. We came from the same bloodline" -Whether 1000 ri or 10 000 ri

"We all share one single heart. His affection is our flesh and blood." -Our Revolutionary Armed Forces Support Only the Marshal's Leadership

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>grace, what are you listening to?

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>>520975
Is Hazbin Hotel your current obsession?

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>>520979
>is X your current obsession?

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>>520984
Sorry I mean special interest.

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imagine being grace and waking up to this every morning

 No.521284

Is the first images bacground cod2? I could recognize that style anywhere

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>>521284
looks like cod 1 to me

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>>521283
Alunya is flat

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>>521287
A sidenote, has anyone tried the spanish civil war mod for cod2 its kinda obscure but so well done it could be it's own game. It is as far as i know the only "game" about the civil war on the internet.

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>>521300
Bokoen1 made some videos of him playing this spanish civil war mod, right?

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Going to be busy reading Louis XIV's memoirs and instruction for the dauphin. & sampling quotes from Louis XIV on monarchy.

>>521283
every morning? that's not Alunya; her eyes are blue

 No.521615

The most controversial point of absolute monarchists besides denial of a mixed constitution or mixed state – is the absolutism itself. Without understanding the pre-eminent notions of monarchy (which the absolutist ideal of sovereignty or majesty captures), it would have little to stand upon otherwise.

Jean Bodin - Quotes on absolutism
>If this is true [what Plato and Aristotle say], it seems to apply, not to princes, or to those who have the highest power in the state, but to the magistrates. For those who decree law ought to be above it, that they may repeal it, take from it, invalidate it, or add to it, or even if circumstances demand, allow it to become obsolete. These things cannot be done if the man who makes legislation if held by it.

>Indeed, it is a fine sentiment that the man who decrees law ought to be above the laws, for the reasons we have given; but once the measure has been passed and approved by the common assent of everyone, why should not the prince be held by the law which he has made?


>If it is just that a man shall be held by whatever he decrees for another, how much more just is it that the prince or the people shall be held by their own laws?


>Nay, not even the Roman pontiffs were willing to be held by any laws, and to use their own words, they were never tied their own hands.


>Now let us prosecute the other part of our propounded definition, and show what these words, Absolute power, signify. For we said that unto Majesty, or Sovereignty, belongs an absolute power, not subject to any law.


>It behoves him that is sovereign not to be in any sort subject to the command of another: whose office it is to give laws unto his subjects, to abrogate laws unprofitable, & in their stead to establish others: which he cannot do that is himself subject to laws or others.


>The attributes of sovereignty are therefore peculiar to the sovereign prince, for if communicable to the subject, they cannot be called attributes of sovereignty… Just as Almighty God cannot create another God equal with Himself, since He is infinite and two infinites cannot co-exist, so the sovereign prince, who is the image of God, cannot make a subject equal with himself without self-destruction.


>Majesty or Sovereignty is the most high, absolute, and perpetual power over the citizens and subjects in a Commonwealth: Which the Latins call Majestatem, the Italians Segnoria, that is to say, The greatest power to command. For Majesty (As Fetus says) is so called of mightiness.


>And to manifest this point, we must presuppose that this word Law, without any other addition, signifies The right command of him or them, which have sovereign power above others, without exception of person: be it that such commandment concern the subjects in general, or in particular: except him or them which have given the law. Howbeit to speak more properly, A law is the command of a Sovereign concerning all his subjects in general: or else concerning general things, as says Festus Pompelus.


>And as the Pope can never bind his own hands (as the Canonists say;) so neither can a sovereign prince bind his own hands, albeit that he would. We see also in the end of all edits and laws, these words, -Quia sic nobis placuit, Because it has so pleased us; - to give us to understand, that the laws of the sovereign prince, although they be grounded upon good and lively reason, depend nevertheless upon nothing but his mere and frank good will. But as for the laws of God and nature, all princes and people of the world are unto them subject: neither is it in their power to impugne them, if will not be guilty of high treason to the divine majesty, making war against God; under the greatness of whom all monarchs of the world ought to bear the yoke, and to bow their heads in fear and reverence. Wherefore in that we say the sovereign power in a Commonwealth be free from all laws, concerns nothing the laws of God and nature.


>For right certain it is, the first Commonwealths were by sovereign power governed without law, the prince's work, beck, and will, serving instead of all laws, who both in time of peace and war, by commissions gave out charge to whom they pleased; and again at their pleasure revoked the same, all depending of their full and absolute power, being themselves not bound to any laws or customs at all. And that is it for which Pomponius writes, the Roman commonwealth to have been at the first governed by regal power, without use of any law. And Josephus the histriographer, in his second against Appian, desirous to show the most honorable antiquity of the Hebrews, and of their laws, says, That Moses of all others was the first that ever write laws. And that in five hundred years after, the word Law was never heard of. Alleging in proof thereof, That Homer in so many books as were by him written never used this word.


>But it behoveth him that is a sovereign not to be in any sort subject to the command of another: which thing Tiberius wisely meaning in these words, reasoned in the Senate concerning the right of sovereignty, saying that – "The reason of his doings were no otherwise to be manifested, than in that it was to be given to none" -; whose office it is to give laws unto his subjects, to abrogate laws unprofitable, and in their stead to establish others: which he cannot do that is himself subject unto laws, or to others which have command over him. And that is it for which the laws says, That the prince is acquitted from the power of the laws; and this word the Law, in Latin imports the commandment of him which has the sovereignty. We also see that unto all edicts and decrees there is annexed this clause, "-Notwithstanding all edicts and ordinances whereunto we have derogated, and do derogate by these presents:" -a clause which has always been joined unto the ancient laws, were the law published by the present prince, or by his predecessors."


Jean Bodin elaborates on this point.
>Of the first kind are the kings who once upon a time without any laws governed empires most justly by prerogative. Such the kings of ancient Greeks are said to have been before Lycurgus and Draco, that is, before any laws had been made binding. Such, also, the ancients remember the rule of the kings in Italy. At that time no laws were promulgated by kings or by private citizens, but the whole state and the rights of citizens depended upon the will of the prince. The Latins were governed by the royal power, as Pomponius wrote, without any definite system of laws. Josephus inferred that Moses was the most ancient legislator, because Homer, in his long work, never used the word "law." Although afterwards statutes were introduced, yet they were bought forward by private citizens, not by kings; until somewhat late the princes were not willing to be bound by these regulations. Indeed, not even when the kings were driven from the city did the consuls allow their own authority and power to be limited legally.

>For right certain it is, the first Commonwealths were by sovereign power governed without law, the prince's work, beck, and will, serving instead of all laws, who both in time of peace and war, by commissions gave out charge to whom they pleased; and again at their pleasure revoked the same, all depending of their full and absolute power, being themselves not bound to any laws or customs at all. And that is it for which Pomponius writes, the Roman commonwealth to have been at the first governed by regal power, without use of any law. And Josephus the histriographer, in his second against Appian, desirous to show the most honorable antiquity of the Hebrews, and of their laws, says, That Moses of all others was the first that ever write laws. And that in five hundred years after, the word Law was never heard of. Alleging in proof thereof, That Homer in so many books as were by him written never used this word.


>So Ulysses, whose kingdom was contained within the rock of Ithaca, is of Homer as well called a King, as Agamemnon: for a great kingdom (as says Cassidorus) is no other thing than a great Commonwealth or Republic or State, under the government of one chief sovereign: wherefore if of three families, one of the chief of the families has sovereign power over the other two, or two of them together over the third, or all three jointly and at once exercise power and authority over the people of the three families; it shall as well be called a Commonwealth or Republic or State, as if it in itself comprehended an infinite multitude of citizens.


Jean Bodin on fundamental law
>But touching the laws which concern the state of the realm, and the establishing thereof; foreasmuch as they are annexed and united to the crown, the prince cannot derogate from them, such as is the law Salic: & albeit that he so do, the successor may always disanull that which has been one unto the prejudice of the laws royal; upon which the sovereign majesty is stayed & grounded.

It is more complex how this issue is handled. For those who would appeal to antiquity and the Greeks, like Plato, it is -somewhat- consistent but also understandably heterodox:
1. Plato's appeal to the rule of law is really an appeal to theocracy first and foremost.
>Which we're somewhat consistent with, stating the sovereign monarch is subject to the laws of God and Nature, which is also consistent with the fundamental laws preserving the monarchical form and sovereign majesty. The ideal of sovereignty or majesty in monarchy molds the State and has its virtues.
2. There is a story in light of how herds of sheep aren't guided by other sheep, but a superior force or herder, in like manner in a distant age – mankind was ruled by demigods like men over their herds of sheep. Which Plato calls the true government and the reason for following the rule of law – to capture that superior distribution of mind in laws – which is what the pre-eminent view of monarchy pertains to with majesty or sovereignty, formalized and enshrined as an ideal of monarchy on behalf of the State. Albeit Aristotle, like Plato, calls this into doubt.
>Yes, Plato would readily admit such a pre-eminent monarchy like that of the demigods over mankind, but Plato calls it into doubt: 1. Plato states that mankind naturally around the world isn't like a beehive or ant colony, with a natural superior immediately recognized in body and mind to rule them. States with monarchy like this are exceptional. 2. Also this pre-eminent person would be rare and extraordinary if he were to be found and readily accepted. 3. Even if there was this pre-eminent person, people would still be in disbelief and doubt.

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Jean Bodin on pre-eminent monarchy, Aristotle, & laws
>Wherefore Aristotle is deceived, in deeming the Commonwealth then to be happy, when it shall chance to have a prince of so great virtue and wisdom, as that he both can and will with greatest equity, govern his subjects without laws. For why, the law is not made for the prince, but for the subjects in general, and especially for the magistrates.

So for absolute monarchists, yes, the sovereign monarch is considered a superior, & this should be true for all monarchies that are monarchies.

It is our controversial point w/ absolute power, but… pretty much everyone unwittingly agrees.

If it weren't the case, then the laws would never change at all: otherwise we'd still be stuck with the Code of Hammurabi to this day.

It's obvious to everyone there is a sovereign power that can change laws. People only grumble about it when it comes to monarchy, but in every other state in the world this happens.

Aristotle rebuffed–
>You can change particular laws, but what about the entire lawbook?
Or
>This adds some element of the beast
But like Hobbes suggests, so long as it has anything to do with governing people – then all political states have some element of the beast notwithstanding any perfection they could hope for.

In revolutions and change of constitution / state, even the entire lawbook and fundamental constitution are done away with – if not, there would never be any change of States and revolutions, but throughout history this happens…

Some monarchists want to retain the fundamental laws of dead monarchies, but when a state is dissolved – they must establish a new order and adopt new fashions in governing.

Should states have laws and have ideology and preserve their forms of State? Yes, a rule-maker or game master should be obliged to follow his own rules – that would be proper, but I'd go as far as to say absolute power is a necessity for any functioning state as much as having laws and absolute power is of the law of nature governing states. Absolute power is part of the ideal of sovereign majesty.

I'm an unapologetic absolutist, tbh, b/c everyone else really is for lack of better terms absolutist too.

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>>521615
>>521628
I have read all that

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i have a confession

i unironically support monarchism so long as i'm the one who gets to be the king

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>>521640
Would you support free market capitalism if you were bourgeois?

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>>521642
i think we already had a thread on siberia where the OP asked would you suppurt capitalism if you were rich and some anons responded with "i 'm already middle class/a bit rich and i still do"

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>>521630
Wow, someone actually reads the propaganda Grace spews.

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>>521644

oopsy, sorry i meant would you support socialism if you were rich

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>>521646
How about socialism for the rich?

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>>521642
it would really depend on what kind of bourgeois you're talking about, there are many levels

classical bourgeois; the guys whose family owns a really, really old company, depending on the nationality, never ask this guy what did his family do during the second world war

new bourgeois; the new player in the money game who has no family ties and works at applebees, but tries to climb the bourgeois ladder using new methods, internet coins, shell companies, investments, buying shit in the metaverse, selling a book on how to get rich, right now has a decent net worth to make him on top of half the population but still behind the richest men

government supported bourgeois; the kind who have the government on their back, may have developed their wealth in the 80s or 90s, now the state helps them with subsidies and contracts so long as they get a share of the data, depending on who you ask this guy is either a "entrepeneur" or an "oligarch"

the expat; the bourgeois class of a poor third world country, who either came for the low to zero tax rate or the cute ladyboys depending on his wealth


the champagne socialist; you already know the kind, the socialism for the rich kind, there are only two kinds of this bourgeois, streamer from the united states or Commuist billionaire, no contradiction

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>>520171
Grace is a Huge Pillow Princess Tsundere. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Also I am crashing this colony thread like the Hindenburg on a good day.

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>>521644
>"i 'm already middle class/a bit rich and i still do"
That's not what bourgeois means.

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what is the monarchist analysis and explanations by grace chan for the downfall of the fbi.gov ottoman army and the involvement of the real life FBI?

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>>523323
I might get around to this later.
Rather I plan on putting together quotations from Louis XIV.

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>>523545
take your time, don't forget to tell us how would you have saved the ottoman roblox army from downfall

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>>523323
real shit roblox has some of the most fun neo-nazi communities of any gaming community, the indoctrination they do of kids on there is gross. i've only contacted one anti-fascist group on roblox, 5th international, and they seem pretty garbage. its big memes and shit but kids are rly getting indocrinated on this site its gotta be confronted

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Whenever Grace has an obsession, it becomes our obsession.
Maybe we'll have a party on Graceposter's birthday (april 28th).

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<Louis XIV Quotes
We must guard nothing more jealously than the pre-eminence that embellishes our post.
>There is no doubt that we must guard nothing more jealously than the pre-eminence that embellishes our post. Everything that indicates it or preserves it must be infinitely precious to us.

>It is a possession for which we are accountable to the public and to our successors. We cannot dispose of it as we see fit, and we can have no doubt that it is among the rights of the crown that cannot be legally alienated.


>Those who imagine that claims of this kind are only questions of ceremony are sadly mistaken. There is nothing in this matter that is unimportant or inconsequential.


>As important as it is for the public to be governed only by a single person, it is just as important for the one who performs this function to be raised so far above the others that no one else may be confused or compared to him.

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<Each profession contributes in its own way to sustaining the monarchy, and each has its own functions which the others undoubtedly have a great deal of difficulty in doing without. The peasant by his work furnishes nourishment to this whole great body, the artisan by his craft provides everything for the convenience of the public, and the merchant by his cares assembles from a thousand different places all the useful and pleasant products of the world in order to furnish them to each individual whenever he needs them; the financier by collecting the public money helps to support the state, the judges by enforcing the law maintain security among men. And the clergy by instructing the people in religion acquire the blessings of Heaven and preserve peace in earth

>This is why, far from scorning any of these conditions or raising one at the expense of others, we must take care to make them all, if possible, exactly what they should be. We must be firmly convinced that we have no interest in favoring one at the expense of the others.


>So that the only way to reign in all hearts at once is to be the incorruptible judge and common father of all.

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There are more potential quotes, but I'm lazy.

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I plan to have pictures of Grace at the beach or swimsuit.
Or drinking orange juice or lemonade.

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Alunya at the beach.

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>>525437
10/10, would use flamethrower on the parasol

 No.526444

(Many achievements of Louis XIV's reign were commemorated on the ceiling of the Hall of Mirrors in these portraits. It's why the Hall of Mirrors is so famous. This portrait in particular displays his help in the relief if a famine.)

<Louis XIV describes rescuing his subjects from a famine

>There arose soon thereafter an occasion, unpleasant in itself, yet useful in its outcome, that gave my people a clear indication of how capable I was of this same attention to details in regard to their own interests and their own advantages. The great dearth of 1661 did not actually make itself felt until the beginning of the year 1662, when most of the wheat of the previous ones had been consumed, but then it afflicted the entire kingdom in the midst of these first successes, as if God, who is careful to temper His blessings, had wanted to balance the great and joyful hopes for the future with a present misfortune. Those who in such a case are accustomed to profit from public calamity did not fail to close their stores, expecting higher prices and greater profits.

>One may imagine, however, my son, what effect markets empty of all sorts of grain, peasants compelled to abandon the cultivation of the soil in order to go elsewhere in desperate search for their sustenance produced in the kingdom, even causing apprehension that the misfortune of that year would continue into the following ones; artisans who raised the prices of their products in proportion to the cost of living, the poor making their complaints and their murmurs heard everywhere, middling families who held back their usual charities from fear of an impending need, the most wealthy burdened with their servants and unable to do everything – all the orders in the State, finally, threatened with the grave diseases that accompany a poor diet, and which, beginning with the people, subsequently spread to the persons of the highest quality; all this caused indescribable dismay throughout France.


>It would have been infinitely greater, my son, if I had merely agonize uselessly over it or if I had relied on the remedies at hand, on the ordinary magistrates, who are all too often weak and incompetent, lacking in zeal, or even corrupt. I became intimately acquainted with the needs of the people and with conditions. I obliged the more affluent provinces to aid the others, private individuals to open their stores and to put up their commodities at a fair price. I hastily sent orders everywhere to bring in as much wheat as I possibly could by sea from Danzig and from other foreign countries. I had my treasury purchase it. I distributed most of it free to the lower classes of the biggest cities, such as Paris, Rouen, Tours, and others. I had the rest sold at a very modest price to those who could afford it, and any profit from this was immediately employed for the relief of the poor, who derived, by this means, voluntary, natural, and imperceptible aid from the more wealthy. In the countryside, where distribution of wheat could not be effected so promptly, I dispatched money with which each one subsequently tried to relieve his need. I appeared, finally to all my subjects, as a true father of a family, who provides for his household and equitably distributes nourishment to his children and to his servants.


>I have never found any expense more useful than this one. For our subjects, my son, are our true riches and the only ones that we conserve purely for themselves, all the others being good for nothing unless we know the art of using them, that is, of spending them wisely. And if God gives me the grace to execute everything that I have in mind, I shall try to bring the prosperity of my reign to such a point, that in truth there should be no more rich or poor, for fortune, industry, and intelligence will always retain this distinction among men, but at least there should be no more indigence or begging throughout the kingdom; I mean no one, however impoverished he may be, who is not assured of his sustenance either through his work or through normal and regulated aid.


>But without looking forward, I was abundantly and immediately rewarded for my cares by the upsurge of affection that they produced for me in the hearts of the people. And this is how, my son, we may sometimes fortunately turn into blessings the greatest troubles of the State. For if anything can tighten the sacred knot that attaches subjects to their sovereign and awaken in their hearts their natural sentiments of respect, of gratitude, and of love for him, it is undoubtedly the aid that they receive from him in time of some unexpected public misfortune. We hardly note the admirable order of the world and the regular and useful course of the Sun until some disturbance in the seasons or some apparent disorder in the machine makes us give it a little more reflection. As long as everything in a State is prosperous, it is easy to forget the infinite blessings that royalty provides and merely envy those that it possesses. Man, naturally ambitious and proud, can never understand why another should command him until he feels the need for it. But habit makes him insensitive to this very need, as soon as it constantly and regularly satisfied. It is extraordinary incidents that make him consider what he ordinarily gains from this; and that, without authority, he would himself fall prey to the strongest, finding in the world neither justice, nor reason, nor security for his possessions, nor recourse against his losses; and this is how he comes to love obedience as much as he loves his own life and his own tranquility.


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