THE PENCIL IS SHARPER THAN THE SWORD PERU ELECTIONS 6.0Get in here
This thread is for discussion of the 2021 Peruvian Election. Looks like it's keeps beign a close one, and either one could win this. The Peruvian Left has gone far, however, and has united under a pretty based candidate. Let's watch
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>>17850Hasn't crypto lost like half it's value this month?
>>17851You can rest knowing he has already been vaccinated, probably with Pfeizer
>>17857I don't see a video to contextualize the whole thing, so I am guessing they are either paraphrasing or chopping intentionally his speech.
Typical liberal media attack.
>>17859>>17857>>17860mb misread the reference, still it's too good to be true
>>17863you win
technocracyTechnocracy >>17862<900k foreign votes???
<At the end there would be 78k difference for Keiko by winning 62/38???
sandinistaSandinista >>17868I fucking knew she would do that.
They took too much because they were probably waiting W. D.C. green light
>>17876Where is the manager of the ONPE!!
The only proofs shown are 2 personeros who broke the rules and an audio kek
>>17878Yup, I am one
>>303681>why do jews ruin everything?Well, I wanted to type this in the new thread only so it can be read.
It's mostly a few faggots who think they speak for everyone and want to use their minority status to smear people they don't like politically, a lot of us who are Jewish are sick of what they do. Look at this, I have to say I'm Jewish just to refute their nonsense, because it holds more credibility or something.
In the United Kingdom they did it to Corbyn, and you know, in the UK it's mostly Orthodox Jews (I don't hate Orthodox Jews but they can be big faggots, see Ben Shapiro). In America it's more Reform Jews so they couldn't do it to Bernie as effectively (aside from the fact he's Jewish himself they dipped their toe into trying it anyway because they're retarded faggots who can't stop sucking cocks). My family is poor, and there are poor Jews. And some of them are based. My dad loved Bernie I think, he hates most the politicians but not him. He speaks populistically and wants for everyone to love each other.
But don't let me fool you. I think there's been a shift to more liberalism and right-wing ideology globally among the Jewish community even if we have significant holdouts. It hurts my soul. The kibbutzim gradually are privatizing, the socialist influences seem to become less. One of my heroes is Albert Einstein, a Jewish socialist. You know what he said about nationalist Zionism? Picrelated.
"I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain.."
Well lo and behold he was so correct I can't believe it. I don't think he was as religious as me but I can see it. Another thing has been the ultra-Orthodox lunatics. Some of these motherfuckers are so fucking crazy. Yet people someone see "more extreme" as "more genuine"? But it's a reform movement within the religion… funnily enough you have some of them ending up anti-Zionist though. I fear for the future of the Jewish community. I think the diaspora will have to speak against the smears against anti-Zionists. If it happens to Castillo I hope the Peruvian Jews will know the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQMRwk8WDd4transhumanismTranshumanism >>178955 Cases in 25 million electors
NONOOO FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD>>17896Check this account
https://nitter.fdn.fr/AccidentalSutepaccelerationAcceleration >>17911>>17907They already know they lost, that's why they already claiming fraud.
It would out of this world that all of the sudden the election switches, and she acts like
ME BRAAHH? I never said it was fraud BRAH.. WHERE did you get that from?
How does a non-governing entity even commit election fraud? Every famous and obvious examples of fraud I can think of were elections were the governing party was at play. The 1996 Russian elections for example, rigged by Yeltsin. Putin's multiple rigged elections, same for Assad, or how that South Vietnamese guy (can't remember his name now) held an election before a referendum to unify the country, I think it was, and got like 98%. Even in non-presidential elections, shit like referendums and whatnot it's also always the ruling government. Take the Austrian annexation by Germany, it may have been popular, sure, but 99,73% popular? Doubt it.
>>17854The Shining Path's reputation in Peru is roughly equivalent to Nazi Germany's reputation in Central Europe and the (private) media has a tendency to engage in guilt-by-association innuendo against anyone left-of-center.
>>17872Eh, anons have a tendency to extrapolate these terms across the whole world, as if social democrat means the same thing in Germany as it does in Latin America. You start to get into these abstract ideology boxes removed from context. I think Peru is just different from your typical first-world country, where unlike Peru, you've got ridiculously huge academic/middle classes (i.e. Vaush and Contrapoints yada yada) which redefine the project of the left around them, but generally speaking, an organized left movement on the periphery is going to be much more left-wing than a first-world / core movement, since the peripheral movements are acting in opposition to the main concentrations of wealth.
In Latin America, a ton of the people are also indigenous and generally have long, hard political educations which foster some extremely serious people and leaders who risk or have risked painful, torturous death for their organizations. The last left-wing leader of Brazil was literally tortured in prison for being left wing when she was a young radical, and her predecessor (i.e. Lula) was imprisoned in 2018 on trumped-up charges following a far-right coup. And while these people can often be moderately corrupt (as opposed to just nakedly corrupt like Fujimoney), they also don't tend to seriously sell out. See: Morales, Mujica and Lula. They all come from this sort of background and apparently so does Castillo. And it's an encouraging sign that people from these movements are regaining prominence.
>>17927Peru had one of the worst responses to the pandemic, to the economic crisis, and 3 goverment crisis in the last 5 years.
It was a gold mine for the left that Free Peru took advantage, if we follow a liberal analysis.
In a marxist one, the class war rised to the roof, people lost their livelihoods, their rented rooms, their families, etc.
The international area does not matter much if you don't let them encase you, he pursuit a harder border and inmigration status, something popular among everyone. He did not recerived help from Venezuela (In contrast with Humala, who got support from Chavez and fell in 2006 to the antichavista campaign)
The race is close to the end, and is matter of the party and the electoral bodies to mantain the lead and crush Keiko's fraud allegations.
>>17934Jimmy Dore can't edit his own biography and the Wikipedia is somehow the best source.
Even guaidont profile on Wikipedia had him like the president without even quoting one single article of RBoV's constitution.
>>17934
>Said that we wants to free an ethnic nationalist<During his campaign, Castillo said he would pardon ethnic nationalist Antauro Humala, a ethnocacerist and brother of former President Ollanta Humala, who was sentenced to nineteen years in prison after leading the capture of a police station in Andahuaylas that resulted in the deaths of four police and one gunman.This is based
>wants to create palamilitary groups of young peoplekind of spooked but based in that it triggers libs
>abandon the "american convention of human rights"exteremely based
>reinstate the death penaltyactually bad. nobody should die at the hands of the state.
>doesn't care about LGBT issueswon't say "based" per se, but based for focusing on worker rights over idpol
>praised the venezuelan governmentbased
>wants to kick [Venezuelan] refugees outnuanced issue that I'd I have to look into more to opine on
overall, none of these issues makes him worse than Keiko lmao
international_brigadeInternational Brigade >>17934Barring the idpol takes literally all of those things are good
>Abandon the "American convention of human rights"Imagine being such a brainwashed fuck that you think this is bad lmao
>>17927Well, Pedro Castillo wasn't a member of the Shining Path, and was in fact at violent odds with them as the leader of a peasant self-defense militia. The other side of the coin is his opponent: Keiko Fujimori, the daughter of the death caravan mafia dictator who murdered nearly 70,000 indigenous people and sterilized god knows how many more.
That leads to the other part of this which is unfortunately the ethnic component that divides the country and notoriously so in the case of Peru (and also Bolivia), with rural areas having a strong indigenous element, both demographically and culturally. Last thing, the Peruvian economy has collapsed, the government has been burning through a series of corrupt presidents who haven't lasted very long, and the country has the highest recorded COVID mortality rate in the world (which doesn't mean it is the highest but it's up there).
>>17934It's nice to know liberals are horrific no matter what country they're from.
>>17929I really doubt the Big Lie or whatever is going to take hold here because it's just so cliche and has been tried by copetards worldwide
I can only see it if somehow Peru becomes vocally anticommunist in like a week
technocracyTechnocracy >>17934>Said that he wants to free ethnic nationalistGonna go way way out on a limb and assume this is somebody who's in jail for fighting for indigenous rights or something.
>Wants to create palamilitary groups of young people.Based, similar to what's happening in Vuvuzela with the people's militia. If Evo had had this he might not have been coup'd in the first place.
>Abandon the "American convention of human rights"Based, fuck those glow ops justifying sanctions against left-leaning countries.
>Reinstate the death penalty.Sounds like he's prepared to deal with what the western imperialists will throw at him if elected.
>Doesn't care about LGBT issues.Ok? That's not the same as being against the gays. Social issues like that are primarily wedge issues anyway, so he's avoiding shit that isn't relevant to his campaign.
>Praised the Venezuelan government.Ok, and?
>Wants to kick refuges [sic] out because "they commit crimes".( X ) Doubt
But even so, this only matters if they actually do kick people out.
>He's not just an union organizer.Yes he is far more based. It's funny how even though he apparently is a social conservative or whatever they did a really bad job of pointing out his flaws, putting more focus on how he's too lefty than on how he's not tolerant enough, which is pretty mask-off for whoever posted this.
>>17854because "communism" is a spooky word worldwide thanks to porky propaganda
just call it "worker-owned market" and win on the same platform
>>18001✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️
PENCILS OUT
Lead is getting bigger.Pencil: 8,552,117
Kek'd: 8,459,997
Found a live election results update stream of the election:
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/NewsHeadlineshttps://youtu.be/8qsCvge9mO0 >>17992I was listening to an interview Caleb did with this Cuban liberal Democrat type, young woman who was born in Cuba but moved to Miami with her parents when she was very young. She's not a communist but returned to Cuba and visited, and it wasn't like what she was told, and when she tried to speak out back in Miami and take a more moderate liberal approach to Cuba, she was treated like a Castroite agent by these people. They planted a bomb under her car. The hard-right, fascist Cuban emigre leadership holds a monopoly over the community, and they're organized criminals.
Anyways, it's interesting too, and I don't know what Caleb's opinions about this are, but this woman thinks the hard-right gusanos are actually hurting their own cause – so maybe it'd be better if they stay in charge. Not that the Communist Party of Cuba is going to be like "oh then they're nothing to worry about," but it might be better to have an enemy that has no idea what they're doing than an enemy who does, maybe? Because they're self-defeating.
>>18017>>18018Low turnout
Good
<CASTILLO IS OVER 0.5% difference.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Tdzf8NQSMBy the way, the people are guarding the votes in the ONPE
>>303995Sorry, wrong picture LMAO
>>18021Extrapolating
19k @ 7%
270k @100%
28% turnout 76k
80% fuji = 60k votes for her
>>18032I AM correcting my self, you are correct>
>>18027 <ONLY 5KLMAO
>>18038What was your first clue?
Mine's was the dollar/market collapse, which are the capitalists sabotaging and later convinced me Kek'd claiming fraud.
>>18047That is why he will get free in July 28th
Castillo always had as security army reservists.
Always check your army anons.
>>18048They need to be sure that the difference is enough to be irreversible.
This means, even if from now on 100% of the votes arrive to her, it wouldn't be possible to her land a victory.
I know burger can't grasp the idea of direct democracy, but it's easier than electoral colleges.
>>18076Plus 21k from spain of pure keiko
Bros..
I'm looking at chile right now and that one might save castillo
HOLY SHIT this happened like 15 minutes ago
Castillo is telling his followers to get ready to defend the country
https://twitter.com/TitoWanka/status/1402087159717302274>>18104BASED
Castillo should organize a coup if OAS or Keiko starts doing election fraud
>>18104I'm buying a bus ticket to Tacna
Time to defend my presidente
>>18110always has been
Spanish castes' legacy and latifundium produced extremely classist societies and brutal class war
that's why we have so many coups – not just to overturn socialist governments but also destroy the worker movements
>>18125He will channel the ancient energy from the Inca to contact the Comrades Ayy Lmao from Machu Picchu,
A peruvian SETI sending the Internationale to the outer space.
>wake up to find I was wrong about Pencil man going to loseIt's a good sort of feel
>>18110With any luck, Colombia is next.
eurekaEureka https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/15250.html#q15741>>15741 (as a more emotional meaning)
>>18145Also, in a more factical manner (checking with the anticommunist press aka Peru 21) they argue that the pencil is a copy of the army of teachers to alphabetize in Cuba. Which was then done similarly by Cerron in Junin and later taken as simbol of the party (the last simbol was PL Peru Libertario/Libertarian Peru).
>>18149>>18150>>18151 (checked)
Interesting. Thanks lads
>>18153I don't get how rightoid weebs manage to be consistently and unceasingly racist while also jacking off to a girl this brown
>inb4 le tan le sunburn le etcyou know what I mean
technocracyTechnocracy >>18158I don't think it's racist to say that mainland Japan is so sexually perverted and messed up that it's impossible to try and fix
In a weird way it's like how furries/kinktards/BDSM is secretly creeping up in popularity in the US even in the face of public backlash. Sure the Jap govt won't say anything on it but that just allows it to fester
You'll see western artists making anime characters look more realistic (see that one Dragon Maid girl trend) and get slandered limb by limb by weebs of old 4chan vehemently dedicated to their loli porn
technocracyTechnocracy >>18162 (me)
To think I saw her the last time I visited the capital, singing Flor de Retama in a famous square to the 20 that were there.
So nice from her, fucking covid man, I wish I could celebrate, I can bet a lot of bad luck fellas are going to die tonight.
Merc journo Jaime Bayli breaks on live TV
https://youtu.be/jVnSmePTW1MPedro Castillo gives speech and thanks the people
https://youtu.be/kkdWTq--VMQ>>18158just looked back in here, why is this talk even in here lmao?
regardless
tfw no black nagatoro to bully me>>18161oh noo that suuuucks
transhumanismTranshumanism gommies BTFO
>>18181Good point, I'll keep the Pedro-less one. Thanks.
remember those that one anon who was like "real leftists check what /pol/ thinks before they judge who's a leftist" ROFLMAO
>>18191roflmao
>>18197Peruvian citizens living in the US can vote in the election
>>18198You're way too pessimistic bro. Weren't you saying Israel was gonna completely wipe out Gaza a few weeks ago
>>18201You're right anon. I'm very pessimistic.
I'd like for Pedro's lead to grow past 120k to be more relaxed.
sandinistaSandinista >>18197Peruvian diaspora that in the first world tend to be pretty reactionary. They are either rich, from a very educated/professional background (you know what kind of people can get those in the third world) and much of the poorer ones have bought to the consumer pseudomeritocratic lifestyle, and overall they look down on their country and themselves trying to push their bullshit politics to a country they don't even live in. And yes they can vote in the elections
>>18198Pedro leads in the country by 125,000 and the count is at 99%. Doubt gusano vote can counter that but it's just getting started, we'll see
>>1820399% is the processed actas.
There's still more than 2% to be counted in Peru.
sandinistaSandinista >>18204From my counts, the gusano vote should Keiko a 130-140k additional lead as of now.
Currently Pedro's lead is around 98000, so he would be down 32000/42000 votes.
Still we have 2% of the Peruvian votes left, which means that to ensure Pedro's victory last 2% of Peruvian votes (around 340000 votes) should go 58/45 for Pedro.
sandinistaSandinista >>18234The vanguard, like all concepts, changes with historical circumstance. We don't live in pre-rev russia, so the marginalised communities of our time are separated by different trends. The proletariat will always be the proletariat, but the language to unite must first be communicated with bourgeois idealism at the front but class analysis as the blatant subtext e.g the police hate you because you're black, and that's because poverty enables white supremacy (capitalism). This then moves into a vanguard in the Leninist sense when the language is understood.
The actors of BLM/XR/whatever who have a class analysis are the preliminary agents of the vanguard even if they don't understand it yet. Our job is to communicate that and make sure Bidenites/liberals don't subvert that trend
>>18234what one can observe is that even things that then develop as "broad progressive movements" are initially jump-started by radicals; but because they are too few and not well known, their effort is quickly hijacked by more mainsteram "progressive" left-liberal groups.
But yes - a vanguard in the strict leninist sense does not exist.
>>18111>>18113Just replace the sickle with the pen for similar anti-imperialist socdem movements in the global south
For anti-imperialist communist movements replace the sickle with a keyboard, for taking the Cockshott pill
two-pronged front for 21st century socialism globally, united
>>304614>>304624>>18253Don't bring that discussion here dogdamit
That should belong in Siberia to not derail the thread
Also, check this out
>Peru Libre HQ Lima >>18254wasn't he talking about forming paramilitaries
Imagine if he's an actual commie
>>18254That would DEFINITELY made the army coup him. So don't have hopes of that.
Also he would lose support of the liberals and center, as a political bet, it does not gives profit
>>18261One could say they are in both parts. In this election the center has been anhilated (The Purple party and Together for Peru almost don't have any congressmen) but they are an important mine for technical cadres (Since the Free Peru program has emphasised science a lot and has promised a minister of Science and Technology)
>>18262Fuck me, they got 2 boards to discuss it and they do it here kek
>>18263>If Gonzalo ever escaped from prison just how fucking scared would peruvian people be?A lot, but more probable is that the Nepalese implant an strict ML view there that this would happen. The man is in his 80s,sick and is the most guarded prisioner in Peru.
>Does the prospect of a SP gives people the creeps?Yes, it has already being shown how terrormongering about the invisible terrorist (and visible in the VRAE) can mobilize people to vote for Keiko.
>>18263How many people support them though? I thought most of the crazy shit they were accused of doing was actually done by the right wing paramilitaries, what's up with that?
>>18264yep
>>18266no you
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>>18258He would lose support from everyone barring the 300 PCP members lmao
Well, if someone is bored and want to see some Velasco era documentaries there are some in YT:
>Tierra sin Patrones (1973, done by SINAMOS apparently)https://youtu.be/ErgfzDyva4kIn spanish.The revolution is in full swing
>Perú: la revolución que nunca fue (PERU: The Revolution that never was. Dir: Peter Tiffin, UK, 1979)One witnessing the end of the revolution. The coops were without funds and in the verge of collapse, Velasco fell 4 years ago and Morales Bermudez pursuit a return to b. democracy.
>La revolucion y la tierra (Land and revolution)https://youtu.be/R11G1zW1zAgA retrospective doc about the revolution. In spanish
>>18269If you retards listened to the average Peruvian instead of 15 year old white American kids on Twitter you'd realize that no one in Peru likes the Shining Path lmao
(also yes the military did a lot of fucked shit)
>>18269The SP? Right now just a minimum from the minimum. That is why the political faces of the SP didn't caused so much upheva in recent yearsl. 30 years ago in 1991 a poll was done showing that only a fifth in Lima (or was in all Peru?) were in favour of them. But people after the war followed many roads, exiling themselvs, retiring from politics, changing political shirts (kek, last election there was the scandal that some old SP cadres were in the Fujis party).
>>18272Humala got to 70 (or was it 90%) approval after capturing the last free SP buro member, Artemio.
>>18274Twitter was a mistake
>>18274>>18278damn the SP must have really fucked up :/
>>18277what's a good resource for watching the results?
>>18280thanks
>>18287>Blanquist-Narodnikslmao cursed. I thought they were real maoists though? They had peasantry autism or something?
>>18287They’re nowhere near comparable. The shining path actually tried to build something that resembled socialism in the Maoist sense (even through still carrying all of Mao’s national chauvinism as baggage). Their red terror was nowhere near the level of genocidal massacre of the military junta.
On the other hand the KR killed themselves in their aspirations of creating a Khmer empire and drowned the country with the blood of their own failures in industrializing (they blamed the collapse of their policies on “the Vietnamese soul” trying to sabotage the country). Nowadays the people that support the KR in Cambodia are on the far right National party that is still funded by the US.
viet_congViet Cong >>18292Just a minor adenum vietanon
The SP didn't fought the Military Junta. They went back to the military bases in 1980 (and later were given control of half of Peru under the emergency status). They fought against a b. democracy. Well, that until Fujimori did the self coup. Kek, Garcia almost got couped twice by the army.
>>18286They were never going to win lmao, it's another myth spun by terminally online Gonzaloites that the Shining Path akshually controlled 80% of the country, but this is frankly untrue
They were active in 80% of the country, in terms of AREA by province, (in the same way that if I had control of all of the frozen tundra in Russia or Canada I would technically control 75%+ of the country but this is functionally useless) and only really had (rather weak when stacked against the total population size) numbers in a single province, and even then, that province is one of the mountainous ones, where not only is there severe lack of population density, but since this is the Andes, it's sort of like the Himalayas in that you can't really "own" a steep mountain in the same way you can "own" a valley or the "flat" terrain nearby.
>>18290They were Maoists, so anti-revisionist they actually denounced and fought against the ML MRTA guerilla group for being "Castroites" lmao, they did have peasantry autism but this was largely one of Gonzalo's many LARPs in that he wanted to be like Mao
Key difference being that Pre-Maoist and Maoist China were comprised of 80% to 90% peasantry, or at the very least people who live in the "countryside," whereas even at the beginning of the "PPW" less than 1/3 of the population in Peru lived in the country, around 30%, and a lot of these people were displaced into the cities, where ironically enough, they probably were poorer because they had no employment nor did they own their own small plot of land anymore, they were probably living in favela-esque slums you see all over at the edges of cities or in the poorer regions around the coast
tldr; Shining Path truly controlled a small amount of land in a single province, that province being one of the ones that is the most mountainous, never had membership exceeding even 1% of the Peruvian population at their peak, mechanical application of Mao's process killed them
>>18292That's great and all, but I defer to what most other Peruvians say in that the military actions were justified
Keep in mind that most Peruvians, even those in cities and even in the most bourgeois of districts live on the cliffs of poverty and are working class, especially back in the 1980s and 1990s, so if they're saying it was worth it to put a stop to the armed conflict, you can imagine how much they disliked whatever the SP was putting down lol, I always laugh whenever twitter-Gonzaloites attempt to say that "No bro you don't get it, all of the Peruvians who actually lived through the conflict are really the brainwashed ones, they haven't been graced with the education that my 1st world self has to see the truth, that the Shining Path did nothing wrong" always defer to the opinion of the masses whenever there is this sort of shit, it's a good filter to see which leaders/movements/organizations are actually popular or not (like in post-soviet or post-warsaw pact country's admiration for Stalin and Lenin)
Hello all.
I have live updates streams up on here:
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/NewsHeadlinesEnjoy the burger election music on rotation.
>>18292Also, while I'm not one to suck the KR's dick, a lot of the deaths there were caused by the US doing air raids and bombing the country flat, on top of this, looking at how peasants lived in Peru, they already lived more or less in a communal style, this being a cutural tradition dating back from the Incan empire lol, people greatly overstate how much the SP did, they more or less just scribbled a border and centralized slightly along with sending in chauvinistic armed guards, that isn't really that hard considering that in most instances they waltzed in and occupied territory
>>1829119th and early 20th century "anarchists" and nationalists were more careful with their assassination bombings in their days lmao, if 1980s guerillas can't help but "oops I car bombed a bunch of innocent people in the streets" then we truly are fucked, you never saw the July 26th pull any bullshit like this during their wars, nor the Chinese or Russians in theirs, why should the failed revolutionary cult get any slack lol?
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-06-08/peru-stocks-slumping-on-castillo-may-prove-buying-opportunityhighlights:
>Amlo is a true-believing left-winger, but he is also conservative (with a small “c”), instinctively frugal, and pragmatic.>Chile’s voters are trying to take their fate into their own hands. The evidence from the rest of the region is that international markets may not let them do that.WHAT LEVEL OF COPE IS THIS,BTW?
>>18300Think 30% at best, you've also got to consider that a lot of it is really nothing, just really dense jungle or Himalayas-tier ice-capped mountains
>>18301The Sinchis were largely an "anti-narcotics" unit that terrorized the peasants, the only thing that the peasants had in terms of defense were the ronderos, which had been a traditional peasant militia that originally protected cattle from getting stolen from bandits but also protected their villages, ronderos were like wild west sherrifs in that they were technically illegal paramilitary organizations, the state was actually kind of antagonistic towards them but largely didn't give a fuck because they generally didn't give a fuck about the peasants
The Sinchis and other death squads didn't really kill unionists or political opponents, I'd say that fits the SP more than them, they mostly operated out in the bum-fuck country where that shit didn't exist
>>18306Methinks it's a bit for show, like the "we're anti-communist MLs with Peruvian characteristics line the party officially touts, they know the Western journalists are frothing at the mouth to get him to say that he's going to pull some based shit so they can fear monger about a red socdem secretly being the next Lenin
>>18310>Can't go full on nationalization without getting hit like Venezuela and then being constantly harassedthen you can't have anything.
Confrontation is inevitable you just have to be the first to bend them over
>>18306I have told in the last thread that they are proposing "Popular economy with markets" aka Socialism with namibian characteristics.
What is so surprising? That position will now be more strong since Francke is getting light as economic minister.
>>18318my bad, read that wrong, sorry fam
>>18319at least they look more mammalian than keiko itself
>>18325A thousand dollars to Miami!??
Wow, the vaccine tourism really has driven up the prices
>>1833812% have been counted
Don't be to cocky
(Also check Saudi arabia, from the five none went to vote kek)
>>18343Shut the fuck up anarkiddie
I am so happy of knowing that the rat will go to jail, that vaccination will be free and fast and that there will be a goverment for the people in this forsaken country.
>>18344Unrelated to your castillo hate but there's sort of a cult of personality here in Peru around the head of peruvian central bank Julio Velarde.
It's honestly quite bizarre
>>18349The peruvian Jabba the Hut has been there as long as I can remember. Kek, the man has a better salary than the president of the republic and is fat as fuck.
But the sol/dollar ratio has been stable for all this years, that is why there is that personality cult. A good chunk of what I can tell as middle class is waiting for him or to Castillo to get the currency down again.
>>18354Castillo lead is about 79k
Foreign is at 51% with 101k votes for keiko, 47k for castillo.
>>18361>>18363>>18366>>18367Voting is the biggest LARP possible, anti-communist rats. Not even a Maoist, just someone with sense.
Wake up to the real glowies.
>>18359>>18368people this is it everyone go home we've been refered to as redditors on /leftypol/
Better let a fujimori rule 5 years and stop larping alright
>>18368>voting isn't communist>but the material conditions for a violent revolution aren't set for a violent revolution>not understanding that the conditions aren't set is anti-materialist, thus, anti-communist.Do you what a color revolution is? The CIA knows the only way a violent "revolution" happens, when the conditions are not set, is by pouring millions into the violent sphere to create the fake conditions.
If you think the people should abandon the political power to capitalists, then you are not too communist tbh.
>>18382My enemies don't want me to vote, they prevent Americans from having anything other the Chuck Schumer and George Bush.
>To legitimize bourgeois rule and present it as the only alternative.Not a material explanation
>>18383they are though
conditions compound conditions
>>18383Of course they not. The argument was to point out that the CIA fakes the material conditions for a revolution.
If there are none, why the people should abandon the political power through votes? just because capitalists will vote, too? is he:
>>18368 going to explain to the people that they will eat shit while capitalists reign, while they become an angry mob that will create a revolt that will eventually turn into a violent revolution?
No of course he will not.
>>18389>Eastern Europe<they got power from coupsAmerican lies. The most prominent coup, the one in Czechoslovakia, still resulted in the majority electing a communist government.
I mean the communists were elected in Finland a few months before Stalin kicked the bucket. Finland had been a right wing country for years, but that had changed through popular struggle, armed or otherwise.
>>18384Well, peruvians 75% of the times not. We have our fucked up electoral system and a fractured left but as everyone is seeing, the people were able to carry a marxist party to the ballotage unlike America where the left has to cuck to the Democrats (scenario that happened here in 2016)
>>18374>>18372You forced my hand
>>18405You mean like the Derg? From what I've read they were hardly communists and just took advantage of aligning with the USSR for aid. Though in Africa there's also the case of Sankara who also came to power through a coup, unfortunately his government was very short lived.
>>18407That's why I explicitly said communists, Allende was not a communist
>>18412Look at all of those successful revolutions with left-wing military coups that totally aren't at the very best not very in tune with the population or at the very worst super bureaucratic and liable to get couped by their own guys
See Velasco, Allende, Sankara, etc.
Reduces most political action to party politics (solely within the de facto vanguard), effectively rendering popular opinion moot and thus being really unstable because a couple of dudes getting pushed out or killed destroys the movement, more or less
>>18427Voted in
>>18426So? This happens regardless of how you get into power, you shouldn't base your policy on how the US will react. This mentality limits you immensely, what you should be focused on is how to survive the inevitable sanctions, not worrying about if your actions will cause them in the first place. Look at all the countries the US has sanctioned and look how many have survived. If anything the countries that went as soft on socialism as possible are the ones that were fucked the hardest from sanctions.
>>18431Lel. Arguably defanging himself is what gave Pinoshit free reign over Chile.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/1973/aug/12/chile.fromthearchiveLook at the date.
>>18428>>18427>>18430My b on Allende, there are more examples in Africa
>>18430Not an argument, population will turn against you on a dime unless there is prior support, or unless you're extremely competent at implementing your policies, last bit of this is right though, you want something akin to Bolivia where the population will fight in the streets tooth and nail against US implemented dictators as opposed to being limp fish/powerless largely because the power struggle happened within the bounds of the military
>>18436How come Cuba and the DPRK have survived? By walking around eggshells to avoid American agression you're only making the situation worse, the public support will be created if you deliver better conditions for them, not by stalling and appeasing external powers. No socialist country has survived doing this, so just take the sanctions for granted and find how to deal with them. Make sure you create a strong network of friendly states which will continue to trade with you, etc, whatever must be done. I hate this mentality you are spousing, it's basically the same mentality as not doing anything in fear of feds attacking you. Without even doing anything you're castrating your movement from fear of outside actions.
History backs my arguments, no society who attempts socialism (in particular a small vulnerable country, will survive against imperialism by simply appeasing it. This reminds me of an interview with Che by an American reporter, the reporter asked him how the sanctions were affecting the country, it was structured in a way for him to give in and say yes the sanctions are decimating us. But guess what he said? He said the sanctions were hardly an obstacle and that the government were working their ass off to deal with them. This is how socialists win, by dealing with all obstacles and not avoiding them like scared weaklings.
>>18452I hope it is
Fachos are mentally deranged, holy shit
>>18441?
I never said to appease them you cactus, I just said that a sole military coup isn't the way to go about it because unless they're incredibly competent and most of the population is perfectly alright with a very abrupt change in power, the situation will get very messy very quick, you'll get, Cuba is a little bit similar if you ignore that it wasn't a military coup at all, it was a vanguard-led war with a large amount of support from the Cuban people unpopular figure installed by the US, and the DPRK was forged right after the Japanese surrender and is wholly incomparable
Also both of these were actual revolutions with armies and were/are socialist states, which had the official backing of the Soviet Union (and China in Korea's case)
>>18456Military (that is, not a vanguard-let movement)coups being a viable mode to gain power, which I don't see as being possible nearly anywhere and it's been shown in places like Peru, Burkina Faso, El Salvador, etc.
>>18458https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StNbbdHMXrcI mean, we've got this, I suppose, so maybe it won't be all that bad
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