THE PENCIL IS SHARPER THAN THE SWORD PERU ELECTIONS 6.0Get in here
This thread is for discussion of the 2021 Peruvian Election. Looks like it's keeps beign a close one, and either one could win this. The Peruvian Left has gone far, however, and has united under a pretty based candidate. Let's watch
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See Velasco, Allende, Sankara, etc.
Reduces most political action to party politics (solely within the de facto vanguard), effectively rendering popular opinion moot and thus being really unstable because a couple of dudes getting pushed out or killed destroys the movement, more or less
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>>18426So? This happens regardless of how you get into power, you shouldn't base your policy on how the US will react. This mentality limits you immensely, what you should be focused on is how to survive the inevitable sanctions, not worrying about if your actions will cause them in the first place. Look at all the countries the US has sanctioned and look how many have survived. If anything the countries that went as soft on socialism as possible are the ones that were fucked the hardest from sanctions.
>>18431Lel. Arguably defanging himself is what gave Pinoshit free reign over Chile.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/1973/aug/12/chile.fromthearchiveLook at the date.
>>18428>>18427>>18430My b on Allende, there are more examples in Africa
>>18430Not an argument, population will turn against you on a dime unless there is prior support, or unless you're extremely competent at implementing your policies, last bit of this is right though, you want something akin to Bolivia where the population will fight in the streets tooth and nail against US implemented dictators as opposed to being limp fish/powerless largely because the power struggle happened within the bounds of the military
>>18436How come Cuba and the DPRK have survived? By walking around eggshells to avoid American agression you're only making the situation worse, the public support will be created if you deliver better conditions for them, not by stalling and appeasing external powers. No socialist country has survived doing this, so just take the sanctions for granted and find how to deal with them. Make sure you create a strong network of friendly states which will continue to trade with you, etc, whatever must be done. I hate this mentality you are spousing, it's basically the same mentality as not doing anything in fear of feds attacking you. Without even doing anything you're castrating your movement from fear of outside actions.
History backs my arguments, no society who attempts socialism (in particular a small vulnerable country, will survive against imperialism by simply appeasing it. This reminds me of an interview with Che by an American reporter, the reporter asked him how the sanctions were affecting the country, it was structured in a way for him to give in and say yes the sanctions are decimating us. But guess what he said? He said the sanctions were hardly an obstacle and that the government were working their ass off to deal with them. This is how socialists win, by dealing with all obstacles and not avoiding them like scared weaklings.
>>18452I hope it is
Fachos are mentally deranged, holy shit
>>18441?
I never said to appease them you cactus, I just said that a sole military coup isn't the way to go about it because unless they're incredibly competent and most of the population is perfectly alright with a very abrupt change in power, the situation will get very messy very quick, you'll get, Cuba is a little bit similar if you ignore that it wasn't a military coup at all, it was a vanguard-led war with a large amount of support from the Cuban people unpopular figure installed by the US, and the DPRK was forged right after the Japanese surrender and is wholly incomparable
Also both of these were actual revolutions with armies and were/are socialist states, which had the official backing of the Soviet Union (and China in Korea's case)
>>18456Military (that is, not a vanguard-let movement)coups being a viable mode to gain power, which I don't see as being possible nearly anywhere and it's been shown in places like Peru, Burkina Faso, El Salvador, etc.
>>18458https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StNbbdHMXrcI mean, we've got this, I suppose, so maybe it won't be all that bad
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