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reminder: there will be an anti-war conference to commemorate the 80th anniversary of the german attack on the SU at 8 pm GMT+2 on june 20th, it's organised by the rebirth of communism guy and is gonna include a few ppl from his party and guys from:<br/><span class="quote">>объединение коммунистов "вперёд"</span><br/><span class="quote">>красноby</span><br/><span class="quote">>tellegram channel 'Робітничий Фронт України | РФУ'</span><br/><span class="quote">>рабочее дело</span><br/>(as of june 16th)<br/>I'm not really sure whether he's going to stream on his main channel, so, if it's not on the channel in the embedded video, it'll be on <a href="
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdQrUSRdy36ZyTiwWKe4-qg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdQrUSRdy36ZyTiwWKe4-qg</a>What would russian anons add to this new multitude article on the russian left<br/><a href="
https://newmultitude.org/the-new-russian-left/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
https://newmultitude.org/the-new-russian-left/</a><a onclick="highlightReply('359580', event);" href="/leftypol/res/326202.html#359580">>>359580</a><br/>His tactics are basically same as what described by Yakovlev and other anticommunists. His conclusions are consistently antisoviet and anticommunist. This video is just one of the examples, you can see same shit in almost every other video he puts out. Even if he is just honestly mistaken, from practical perspective he should be treated just like every other opportunist. <br/><br/>If you do not understand this, then you are not communist yourself, simple as. <br/><span class="quote"><br/>>hateboner</span><br/><span class="quote">>vitriol</span><br/><span class="quote">>attacking him</span><br/><br/>God, i hate libs. Maybe you should cut out this psychoanalysys crap since you obviously is pretty bad at it? <br/><span class="quote">>ts one thing not to be into someone, but that wouldn't merit so many replies and such vitrio</span><br/>I can ask the same thing, why waste time defending the guy whose videos you don't even watch, apparentely? Do you have some ulterior<br/>motive? After all, you wouldn't waste your time debating completely irrelevant to your immediate life issues with a guy who you described as vitriolic if you didn't, right?
<a onclick="highlightReply('359655', event);" href="/leftypol/res/326202.html#359655">>>359655</a><br/><br/>Well, as it stands I did have a lot of other things in life to take care of, hence the big delay in response. My interest here is not even really with Safronov anymore, since my original post was basically about jow liked some of the presentations on aspr and that some of this would be interrsting for the guy to discuss with Paul Cockshott. <br/><br/>Again, there is clearly something I missing. The evidence you showed of this guy being some hardened anti-communist or non-communist isn't very strong.<br/><br/>Of course a person can make genuine mistakes of course, or they could also be grifters. Perhaps the later is also the case for Safronov, but I haven't seen it yet. It could also be genuine disagreement (As an example, I think there unequal exchange occuring that in part explains the diverhence in working class incones between countries, whereas Paul Cockshott is against this view)<br/><br/>I think perhaps what is happening Safronov did or said something that was similar to (as you brought up) what Yakovlev or someone like that has you very angry with him. You haven't so far shown what that is here.<br/><br/>I am someone who can very angry quickly myself over certain things, and I am trying to understand the link here. Perhaps a more concrete example: Zizek can often spout ridiculous western narrative bullshit anout the ussr, but in the majority of videos he pits out its not the subject matter. So maybe there is some other video that is much more damning, or else it could also be a guilt by association issue as well.
We would go back to the times of Brezhnev, <br/>And I know that we cannot do everything as before, <br/>but I still have hopes that <br/>We will break out of this total hell. <br/><br/>After all, I want there to be peace <br/>And the children laugh, <br/>And in my country, <br/>And on the whole planet. <br/><br/>I want the economy to grow, <br/>so that the cultural background, not the radioactive background, grows. <br/>So that everyone knows that he is needed and important,<br/>so that there are no those who do not care. <br/><br/>There will always be someone who will be dissatisfied, <br/>But even he will be full, healthy and free.<br/>Let the fresh wind blow in our backs, <br/>Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev is on our banners!
<a onclick="highlightReply('407162', event);" href="/leftypol/res/326202.html#407162">>>407162</a><br/>I am not a fucking leftist, i am a communist. And i already explained it. And if you were a communist, you wouldn't need me to spoon feed you. And since you are not, you are either some shitlib or /pol/yp who each day makes this board worse.<br/><br/>That guy <a onclick="highlightReply('405356', event);" href="/leftypol/res/326202.html#405356">>>405356</a> doesn't even know what the fuck "class" is. Though he at least more or less right in the fact that Putin is just a manager for the capitalists in power.<br/><br/><a onclick="highlightReply('405380', event);" href="/leftypol/res/326202.html#405380">>>405380</a><br/><a onclick="highlightReply('406984', event);" href="/leftypol/res/326202.html#406984">>>406984</a><br/>This schizo pretends to be me for some fucking reason i don't even know why.<br/><br/><a onclick="highlightReply('405219', event);" href="/leftypol/res/326202.html#405219">>>405219</a><br/>This moron doesn't even understand how state works or capitalism. And asks absoluteky retarded questions like "Why Trump doesn't order Biden shot if he is chief commander"<br/><br/><a onclick="highlightReply('405347', event);" href="/leftypol/res/326202.html#405347">>>405347</a><br/>And this faggot can't even read what i wrote.<br/><br/>You shitstains are the reason this board suck and that anons who actualy understand marxism and were doing effort posting left this place.<br/><br/>Fuck. You. All. Don't even fucking bother replying to me, i just hope that you family will get cancer or some shit.
<strong>Perestroika did not cause USSR’s downfall but ‘a lot of things’ should have been done differently, says ex-Soviet leader Gorbachev</strong><br/><br/><a href="https://www.rt.com/russia/531136-ussr-collapse-perestroika-gorbachev/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rt.com/russia/531136-ussr-collapse-perestroika-gorbachev/</a><br/><br/>The collapse of the Soviet Union was not caused by the controversial policy of perestroika but should actually be blamed on the attempted coup in August 1991 and a conspiracy between the leaders of Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus.<br/><br/>That’s according to former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, who wrote an article for ‘Russia in Global Affairs’ explaining his point of view that perestroika was “historically correct” and necessary for the USSR.<br/><br/>Gorbachev led the Soviet Union from 1985 until its collapse in 1991 and is seen as one of the most important figures of 20th-century history. However, while he enjoys a positive reputation outside of the country, he is viewed differently inside Russia. Many people blame him for the post-Soviet economic crisis that led to a dramatic decline in living standards, as well as a diminution of Moscow’s status on the world stage.<br/><br/>Perestroika, seen by some as a significant contributing factor in the dissolution of the USSR, was an attempt to restructure the economic system and end stagnation. As part of the policy, Gorbachev introduced market-like reforms into the socialist system, which lead to food shortages and political tensions.<br/><br/>However, according to Gorbachev, those who believe perestroika wasn’t necessary have a very short memory.<br/><br/>“They have either forgotten or don’t want to remember what the moral and psychological situation in Soviet society was like by 1985,” he explained. “People were clamoring for change. Everyone – both leaders and ordinary citizens – felt that something was wrong with the country. The country was sinking deeper into stagnation. Economic growth had virtually stopped.”<br/><br/>“Perestroika was aimed at people. Its goal was to liberate a person, to make him the master of his own destiny, of his country,” he said.<br/><br/>However, despite his conviction that the policy was correct, he did note that he would have done “a lot of things differently.”<br/><br/>In Gorbachev’s opinion, the real reason for the fall of the Soviet Union was insubordination within the ranks of the Communist Party.<br/><br/>“Two blows proved fatal for perestroika,” he explained. “The attempted coup d’etat organized by reactionary forces, including those from my entourage, in August 1991, and the December collusion of the leaders of Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus, which ended the centuries-old history of our state.”<br/><br/>In particular, he pointed the finger at Boris Yeltsin, who was the leader of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, and who promised that a union of some sort would survive. However, according to the former Soviet leader, the heads of Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus got together and opted to destroy the country.<br/><br/>“Yeltsin did not keep his word,” Gorbachev wrote. “He and his entourage sacrificed the Union to an unstoppable desire to reign in the Kremlin.” <a onclick="highlightReply('434828', event);" href="/leftypol/res/326202.html#434828">>>434828</a><br/><br/>Decommodification of erotics means abolishing the selling of any erotic services, including prostitution, pornography, eroticized adverts, etc.<br/><br/>Decommodification of identity means preventing identity markers (food, clothes, films, etc.) from being conpetiticely sold for profit. It is more difficult to accomplish, but banning advertising goes a long way toward this, as well as debranding any items tgat have ethnic content. <br/><br/>De-idententitarianizing erotics means that erotic relationships between are not promoted/taught as identities a person has that either innate or constructed. Instead they are merely activities one engages in. Eg. No one identifues themselves at present a snonstampcollectorist. Eg. No one at present identifues themselvrs as a cancunite when it comes to favorite holiday travel destination.<br/><br/>See video for info how the DPRK handles these issues.
>>485985>upcoming Russian ammo ban I haven't heard of this
does Russia even make good ammo nowadays?
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А потом приходит тинькофф забирает половину и такой говорит: ВЫИГРЫВАЮТ ВСЕ!
>>486004>A literal ad by a banker promoting gaming as a "way of life" because "it'll totally make you money" while you waste your life behind a screen<even though a gamer becoming successful is a one out of a thousand chance at bestI don't blame the animator, animators gotta eat, but fuck Tinkoff
>>486005>РашкеНе называй так, это дурной говор либералов. Но да в РФ много депрессионого
Слушайте братва, кто помнит такой фильм с 2001ого, Спартак и Калашников?
Я б хотел найти одну песню но её не в титрах, не где не найти!
Слова из песни "Как достали эти вечные упреки. Есть дорога у нас и сквозь потоки людей мы шагаем по ней!"
Что мог найти это короткий клип песни под названием Спартак и Калашников - Главная Тема Но дальше поиск ведёт в тупик. Кто не будь помогите! Есле у кого есть дивайс с Shazam попробуйте
https://wikipedia.tel/Спартак_и_Калашников>>485713 (OP)
Есле кому интересно из славянских. Реккомендую /hobby/ и /anime/ Там есть раззные русский посты или темы о Советской Культуры/ (/edu/ тоже посишяйте)
К Примеру
>>>/hobby/1007 >>>/hobby/8840 >>>/hobby/10604 >>>/hobby/10107 >>>/hobby/1516 >>>/hobby/5388 >>>/hobby/7554 >>>/hobby/18737 >>>/anime/3735 >>>/anime/5517 >>>/anime/90 >>>/anime/1417 >>>/anime/7111 Я америкос индейского происхождения, который свободно владеет русским языком.
Раз мне отец рассказал о Войне за независимость Бангладеша. Индия поддерживала Бангладеш, Индию поддерживал Союз, а Пакистан поддерживала Америка. В течение войны, приплыли в Бенгальский залив Американский флотик, чтобы распугать Индию. А Брежнев, красавец, на ответ послал атомные подводный. Приплыла в Залив из самого Владивостокаб (В любом случае, атомная подводная—не мелочь). Пока американский флот возился в Заливе, сразу всплыли вокруг него, суки вот и удрали.
Я запомнил имя вице-адмирала, кстати. Его назовут Кругляков, Владимир Сергеевич
http://8eskadra.ru/index.php/shtab-eskadry/komandovanie-eskadry/vitse-admiral-kruglyakov-v-s>>486013You really should take him seriously, despite minor nitpicks, not a single person has succintly debunked any of his works and his book Blood Lies directly debunks Timothy Snyders anti-communist shitshow Bloodlands (which also involved Anne Applebaum and her Victims of Communism site)
I would also recommend Douglas Tottle's Fraud, Famine and Fascism (pdf 1) which debunks the Holodomor.
I'd recc some Russian authors, 'cause they really have top tier nuance but they don't have any English translations.
I do much suggest reading Patrick Sloans "Democracy in the Soviet Union" (1937) (pdf 2) I've talked with his son and read the book and it's a fairly nuanced view of the USSR.
Anne Louise Strong is a good writer on the USSR as Walter Duranty, despite attempts at slandering his name, has very fair conclusions about it in his reportages.
This stuff is from Revolutionary Memes Council
https://vk.com/revmemsov.
I translated some of them on the booru (using Add Note) but there's a lot to work with, and that's not a good solution outside the Booru.
https://lefty.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=revmemsovAlso check out the translation thread
>>>/edu/2085 The ideal thing to do would be to contact them and tell them to start publishing their stuff in English too.
PROTIP: Load the images into Yandex image search, it will automatically transcribe the text in a selection box, then put the resulting transcription into a translator.
>>486022Typical ᛊᛊRussian nationalist for 364 days a year:
>Talks crap about communists, the Red Army, and the Red Fleet >Believes the Vlasov army would have "liberated" Slavs >Rues the defeat of the Russian Liberation Army Him every May 9th
>"70 years ago OUR great Russian army defeated the enemy with Russian spirit!" >>486028You could have just linked
>>>/edu/6994 with the full video
Тред о Тукачевском
>>476872 Тред о Лысенко
>>478766>>486035Wasn't Levada declared a foreign agent?
>>486036Yellow line go below the treshold. Is teal line New People or Greens? Who are those random nonames
>>486057CPK bases their predications of FOM polls, which rate them higher as they are state-owned. Still, russia uses parallel voting for FPTP and List seats, so it is possible for UR to win a majority on like 20% of the votes if they get enough local seats.
It is telling that regional polls show Siberia swinging away heavily from UR tho.
>>486067In Russia, students study latin alphabet in some way, shape or form. Usually, in algebra/mathematics classes, lol. "Latin in russian" has 1-to-1 correspondence with russian letter, so A is А, B is Б, C is Ц, and so on, plus double letters like SH is Ш, CH is Ч, SHCH (or SCH, or whatever) из Щ, and so on. However, "russian latin" doesn't like C because it looks weird, so Ц is TS. Y (called "eegrek" in math for some reason) represents Й in letters Я, Ё, Е, Ю, but not Ь (soft sign, written only after consonants and representing them being soft. Consonants, except for Ч and Щ, are hard by default). So, YA is Я, YO is Ё, YE is Е, YU is Ю. Words which end in ЫЙ is on case-to-case basis, apparently. You can get either, but personally I notice it translated as YI more often than IY. IY is more consistent with other Y usage in "russian latin", but you get what you get. Ъ is hard sign, it's basically used in places where there's a pause, so, your "obyem" should be "ob'yom". Historically, hard sign was used after all the consonants, but language reform changed that and left it only with the pause function.
Overall, you did great.
>>486068>good luck, comrade translatorwell that only took about ten minutes to translate :o
would have been faster without that strange russian idiom. "down/bad? feather?" -> is he trying to say "not great but not terrible"?
>>486069thanks for the tips anon
speaking of translation, do any of you have contact with the young communist league in moscow? I heard from cockshott that they're up for translating stuff, and we both would like to see more of victor glushkov's works translated
>>486071>As in don’t get a bird or mammal when huntingIsn't the point
to get a bird or mammal when hunting? "Break a leg" if anything would mean you would get those animals.
Separate question: what is the material basis for the division in Ukraine, with one side for staying and another for separating towards Russia? Is this just a cultural thing?
>>486078It’s an idiom type common around the world where you say you hope a bad thing happens so that a good thing happens.
It’s more about integration into the european or the russian economic sphere, but cultural and linguistic demographics are important. Hohols in the west are more likely to speak hohol, and those in the east—russian.
>>486078>the material basis for the division in Ukraine, with one side for staying and another for separating towards Russia? Is this just a cultural thing? west Ukraine is closer to Poland, East Ukraine is basically Russia that got added by Stalin and Lenin. East Ukraine is also more industrial and so more proletarian, meanwhile the west is Agrarian in economy, combined with a lot of urbanization, leading to rather liberalized and TV-brainwashed people that grewup on
100 atrocities of Stalin and
forgotten Ukrainian heroes and 90s rubbish like that.
>>486082>Beria and talin got killed by Partocrats true
>Deng and Xi are Stalin's successors Damn you got the whole division laughing dude
Balaev keeps murdering historians
https://p-balaev.livejournal.com/1432358.htmlIn short, Khrushev claims that the plan was to fight the enemy on enemy's territory immediately after attack, but instead Stalin retreated to Moscow. So, Stalin bad. And all the historians support Khrushev's claim, because of anticommunism. 20th congress Khruschev's speech is quoted, such as "in press and media there's a prevalent opinion that Stalin used active defence while retreating, that Stalin predicted everything and outplayed everyone", and so on. Meanwhile:
> А теперь кое-что из резолюции по пятилетнему плану развития народного хозяйства СССР, принятого на последнем предвоенном съезде партии:>«Обеспечить должный контроль за выполнением решений ЦК ВКП(б) и СНК СССР о запрещении строительства новых предприятий в Москве и Ленинграде, а также распространить это постановление на Киев, Харьков, Ростов-на-Дону, Горький, Свердловск, в которых впредь запретить строительство новых предприятий.Last pre-war 5 year plan literally forbade building any new factories in Moscow, Leningrad, Ukraine, Russia's south.
>б) В таких экономических очагах страны, как восточные районы, Урал и Поволжье, в третьей пятилетке создать предприятия-дублеры по ряду отраслей машиностроения, нефтепереработки и химии, чтобы устранить случайности в снабжении некоторыми промышленными продуктами с предприятий-уникумов.Build doubles for certain industries, to prevent "randomness in supplies of certain industrial goods". Pretty obvious assumption that supplies will be cut, eh?
Fucking hell. Khruschev's revisionism is very, very insidious. Literally every part of WW2 is rewritten to keep in line with the de-stalinization's black legend.
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>>486106Don't speak Russian I'm afraid, though I do now know the cyrillic alphabet.
That said it does share quite a few words with french, and its easier in general to pick up a few words in a new language when you know a few other languages.
Been watching rudoy, syomin, yulin, kagarlitsky, etc. relatively for the last 2 years ish now. Its been a good safety net for my mental health overall.
>>486104 >ОПЯТЬ нытьё Блять, когда то Вестник делал хорошый материял, а последнее время клоунаду устраевает.
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>>486103See >>>/siberia/153287
and >>>/siberia/153272
>>486108>>486112I posted the вб video in conjunction with the Drweski overview one because I felt they both did a good job at giving a relatively detailed overview of the situation.
Its not really intended as an all out endorsement of all of their views and behaviours as people.
>>486122Hopefully but difficult:
Besides actually purging the billionaires, their families, the liberals, etc. which is a difficult enough job itself, then there is the issue of how devasted russian industry is: I remember watching some videos by Boris Yulin on how woefully dependent Russia was on intermediate good imports for… ITS WEAPON MANUFACTURING SECTOR.
Its going to take a least one or two five year plan to rebuild the electronics, engineering and machine building sectors.
Hey bros, found a crashcourse article into a debunk of the most common economic myths about Stalin and Khruschev
http://proriv.ru/articles.shtml/ogienko?vs_safronov It's a debunking of Safronov's "expertise" in economics, but it goes over everything.
I had no clue that according to khruschevite economists, self-costs of producing grain increased from 22 roubles in 1933 to 63 roubles in 1953. Holy shit, apparently, implementing tractors and fertilizers, reducing the amount of manual labor, number of workers, increases costs of production of grain!
>>486125Reading the article.
I have a question related to a term that has appeared several times and often in negative connotation, but I am not sure what it means: "Cost Accounting"
An ordinary english meaning for these terms would just be taking the various costs to produce a given product (raw materials, depreciation of equipment, wages, etc.) and adding them up (potential dividing by output to get a cost per unit).
Obviously this in and of itself is just a very basic administrative procedure, so in Russian the term must mean something else so that it is often claim antagonistic to planning.
Can anyone help clarify?
>>486127Khozraschyot? That's what khruschevites' economic policies were called. While by itself it's a normal thing - we want factories to optimize their production, so that they don't rely on other factories to cover for them, obviously, you need to understand when such an approach is applicable - for khruschevites it was a way to increase factories' autonomy and hide their anticommunist policies under communist-sounding slogans. Article argues that USSR shouldn't have moved away from subsidizing unprofitable base industries with the profits from end consumer industries, while reality (mainly, China) shows that development of consumer products requires making those base factories solvent via their own means.
Again, it all heavily depends on the situation, and again, khruschevites gutted those policies of all the intended meaning and replaced them with capitalist road. It's a proof that you can't create or support socialism by economic means alone, you can't evade class struggle with economic tricks.
>>486129Oh so under the cover of making sure factory units break even the Khruschev policy increased managerial discretion in all kinds of debilitating ways.
I figured it must have veen something like that; It wouldn't make sense that mere accounting was a big political issue.
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Aside, I think when it comes to subsidies it would be good for a socialist country to always aim to make them explicitly part of the state budget for ease of tracking. No borrowing loans with negative real interest rates, no hidden cross subsidies between industries, no retained significant profit for discretionary use. That way all subsidies can be more easily openly debated.
>>486125>increases costs of production of grain!I have some doubts on that but it is logical, since in 1933 the Kolkhozes only began and so in 1953 pay, pricing and other things changed compared to the 30s (in part due to the recent war and need to rapidly militarize in to defend against NATO).
>>486132>by no means were there less Soviet losses.The 250K and shit is not confirmed by Soviet sources and the numbers in the English Wikipedia are a rough estimation that lumps combat deaths and other deaths/casualties rather then real losses.
>>486137>increase threefoldHow the fuck does gas cost 3 dollars today but was 50 cents back in 1999? You have to take into account price values changing you numbskull, not to mention the wages of the average peasant in 1933 r a lot lower than those in 1953. They also had to rebuild agricultural industry all over again due to having Ukraine and Belorus getting so fucked over during the war.
>hruschevites most likely counted kolkhozniks' increase in wages and living standards as an increase in costs of production That's what I said.
>>486148>shortage is when you have too much money
<t.big broin
>Constantly lowering prices places an immense strain on state capacityFunny how China is consciously implementing the policies of cheap-ening goods via automation and science, especially in heavy industry, and it works wonders while not causing overproduction, "strain on state capacity" or anything bad, really. I can't fucking wait for the end of the current Five Year Plan to see the cheap Chinese chips, and subsequently PCs, smartphones, EVs and all that jazz, to absolutely flood the market with no survivors
>and is detrimental to socialism as a wholeYes, I fucking hate it when instead of increasing in price as times go on, goods decrease in price. It makes me super angry.
>>486148>>486150>shortage is when you have too much moneyI mean, just think about it. All goods in the economy are supposed to be consumed. Shortage is when there's no NEEDED goods, not when you have too much money. When you have too much money, you already have everything and bought everything, and you are saving money at this point - or investing it. That's why under Stalin there were bonds for the Soviet citizens to buy to support the state's industrial policies with.
Decrease in prices is the fucking reason why China outcompetes the West. It was similar to what was happening under Stalin, with finns and swedes inventing gulag slave labor allegations to fight Soviet lumber exports - which were cheap and of sufficient quality, destroying competition.
>>486150>>486151>shortage is CAUSED by people having too much moneyYes, and this is so easy to demonstrate I'm impressed you're trying to argue against it. Why?
Let's say minimum wage rises to $100 USD/hour in a western country but the government also price controls stuff like meat and bread to stay at the same price. What does this mean? It means that everyone can now afford 9x more meat/eggs/food/etc. than they ""used"" to be able to, assuming they spent it all on meat.
HOWEVER, food production (as well as production of any other good you want to price control) has not been correspondingly increased to match this sudden surge in demand. Not to mention that most price controls suck because they are pinned at prices below break-even points, meaning there is inefficiency and the state is losing money that could be spent on more important things because they're subsidizing it so heavily.
Hence shortages. Hence why Soviet Union suffered with shortages. Hence why people like Khrushchev were doing dumb shit like the Virgin Islands campaign to increase agricultural productivity, since too many people had too much money to spend and stuff was out of stock not always but on a consistent enough basis to generate low level frustration.
>Yes, I fucking hate it when instead of increasing in price as times go on, goods decrease in price. It makes me super angry.<Being this economically illiterate Deflation is bad for economies overall. You hold the same position as a lunatic libertarian Bitcoin booster.
If holding money becomes more valuable over time that means that the incentive to invest in future production drops to zero since you can earn more money by doing nothing as the prices of things are constantly decreasing relative to the (constantly increasing) value of your money. Deflation is what was killing national economies and causing spikes of unemployment with the Gold Standard forcing deflation on everyone, until people like Keynes came around. This is why some sections of the Bourgeoisie (the libertarains) want to go back to the Gold Standard, because it means that they can go back to putting everything in their savings account and gaining millions every year without even doing anything (since you can, contrary to popular opinion, lose money on stock investments).
>Decrease in prices is the fucking reason why China outcompetes the West.Decrease in prices is only RELATIVE TO THE HIGHER COSTS OF EVERYTHING IN THE WESTERN COUNTRIES. Holy shit. If you were born in China and raised and grew up there you would see visible inflation (not much, around 2% inflation annually like a developed Western country, but it's there) because your incomes would be based in Yuan and not USD you utter incompetent. Ya, we get """cheap goods""" that are a steal, but over there it's not like they're all buying lambos since everything is """so cheap"". How the fuck do you not even understand currency value differentials?
>>486153>HOWEVER, food production (as well as production of any other good you want to price control) has not been correspondingly increased to match this sudden surge in demand.You just assumed that it didn't increase. Why? Planned economy plans ahead, lol. Why is your assumption is that planners are dumb, and that price controls and production aren't maintained at a level needed for the well-being of the people?
>meaning there is inefficiency and the state is losing money that could be spent on more important things because they're subsidizing it so heavily. Now then, look at the whole of economy. So, bread costs below break-even point, ok. What does it do to the economy? It frees up workers' money to buy stuff other than bread.
>Hence why people like Khrushchev were doing dumb shit like the Virgin Islands campaign to increase agricultural productivityKhurschev resulted in meat shortages, lol. Stalin set up an efficient agricultural system that had more meat produced than during Khruschev's Virgin Lands campaign and after. Under Stalin, there was no wide unrest at government policies, people didn't blockade railroads to demand "to turn Khruschev into meat".
>Deflation is bad for economies overall.<Being this retarded
>If holding money becomes more valuable over time that means that the incentive to invest in future production drops to zero since you can earn more money by doing nothing as the prices of things are constantly decreasing relative to the (constantly increasing) value of your money.Yes. And? That means you put your money in a bank, and bank uses that money to invest. For example. Workers LOVE seeing goods becoming cheaper, as that signifies FUCKING PROGRESS, and also it corresponds heavily with the rising level of life of workers - because they can buy more stuff with the same amount of money! With workers spending most of their money every month, anyway, because they are FUCKING WORKERS, not capitalists who have money to spare.
>>Decrease in prices is the fucking reason why China outcompetes the West.Decrease in prices is only RELATIVE TO THE HIGHER COSTS OF EVERYTHING IN THE WESTERN COUNTRIES.
No, you retard, China is specifically PLANNING TO decrease costs of goods - SOEs are tasked with that, most notably steel industries, and for example the costs of new cargo ships have decreased in China by 20% over the past 5-10 years. Which, by the way, made China the biggest ship producer in the world, with their ships being cheaper than South Korea's and Japan's ones. Consumer goods are a different story, but generally speaking costs are decreasing. Say, look at how much TV cost in 1950s, and how much it costs today (relative to average wage). China does the same process INTENTIONALLY, and that murders competition.
>>486154>You just assumed that it didn't increase.Because agricultural productivity increasing is not based off the sole will of the planners but also reliant on complex geographical/natural limits/supply chain/trading/etc. factors that cannot be resolved simply by printing out a piece of paper that's been officially stamped and documented that orders a producer along the lines of:
<"ok increase production by 700% in next few months thanks :DDD". If you're 4 feet tall and I tell you to reach 6 feet tall naturally in the next two months is there anything you can humanly do to accomplish that goal despite me """planning""" it for you, you tard?
>So, bread costs below break-even point, ok. What does it do to the economy? It frees up workers' money to buy stuff other than bread. You STILL don't understand. The temptation for socialist governments is to subsidize the price of goods under price controls (generally food) way below the break even point meaning that their funds aka their total financial capacity and what the limits of what they can do is being wasted on keeping certain goods permanently stuck at a certain price level when they could be spending that money instead on, say, cancer research, or building a new housing complex, or building a new road.
OPPORTUNITY COST is important. Hence unreasonable price controls result in an unnecessary financial burden that diverts resources away from other important sectors since the state no longer can finance other important projects.
>Yes. And? That means you put your money in a bank, and bank uses that money to invest. For example. Workers LOVE seeing goods becoming cheaper, as that signifies FUCKING PROGRESS, and also it corresponds heavily with the rising level of life of workers - because they can buy more stuff with the same amount of money! With workers spending most of their money every month, anyway, because they are FUCKING WORKERS, not capitalists who have money to spare. No, no one smart invests in deflationary environments because sitting around and doing nothing with the money is incentivized!
Here is a rough sketch of a deflation example:
>1 unit of deflationary money will be worth 2 (in real terms) by the next - so an increase of 100% in buying power>If I start an enterprise and pay someone 5 units of money, by next year I will have lost 10 units of money through opportunity cost (5 x 2) because if I sat on it instead of paying it out to someone else I would have had 10 units worth of currency in real terms. >This means I would need to have a product or service that people would buy to give me at minimum 10 units worth before next year just to be able to reach break-even before even profit occurs - and the likelihood of that? Nil, because customers know they will be able to buy that same product for much cheaper next year! Why not wait a couple years for the currency to get even stronger before buying?>In addition, the money that I would be paid for whatever good I sell would be worth less (because at that point in time the increase in value hadn't kicked in yet) meaning that further investment into the enterprise would again be a net loss disincentivizing me from continuing. <End result: Mass unemployment, mass enterprise bankruptcy, and a destroyed or stagnant economyNow compare to inflation of 2%:
>1 unit of inflationary money will be worth 0.98 by the next>If I start an enterprise and pay someone 5 units of inflationary money, it will be worth 4.9 by the next>Since value of """dormant"""/non invested money is negative, I am incentivized to constantly grow and expand operations to make more, because leaving it in my savings or whatever is not going to give me any personal benefits>My customer base is also incentivized to spend money into the economy, since they know that there will be price rises next year thanks to inflation >Other analysts will see greater potential and invest in their enterprises, creating a positive cycle of expansion <End result: Boom times, lots of enterprises founded, fuller employment, and a growing economy. This is why deflation is retarded and KILLS, absolutely KILLS economies.
Holy shit I can't even fathom that I had to explain that. Hey genius, if cheap goods from China were such a quality of life improvement for the Western workers, why the fuck are so many of them committing suicide and languishing in poverty/unemployment/crime/etc? It's because those goods were produced through the destruction of their native industries meaning that they have suffered a net loss in their living standards through increased unemployment and decayed prospects! "Goods becoming cheaper = progress" has to be the most batshit insane neoliberal take I've ever seen on this board so far. It's not true on an economic level, it's not true on a worker level, it's not true even in terms of the environment because environmental damage not being factored in is a reason why so many goods are so cheap in today's free trade environment. Take the Scandinavian welfare states that succdems look up to - goods and services are EXPENSIVE there because wages are HIGHER and workers are more SECURE (although that is quickly changing after neolib """"reforms""").
>China is specifically PLANNING TO decrease costs of goods - SOEs are tasked with that, most notably steel industries, and for example the costs of new cargo ships have decreased in China by 20% over the past 5-10 years. Which, by the way, made China the biggest ship producer in the world, with their ships being cheaper than South Korea's and Japan's ones. Consumer goods are a different story, but generally speaking costs are decreasing. Say, look at how much TV cost in 1950s, and how much it costs today (relative to average wage). China does the same process INTENTIONALLY, and that murders competition.Yes of COURSE companies want to out-compete their rivals and push cheaper products. This is a natural function of capitalism. But the Chinese are not aiming for a DEFLATIONARY ECONOMY hence why inflation still exists in China and China's Central Bank still prints money. You can buy less food on the same salary in China today than you could 10 years ago because China's central planners are wise and know that inflation is necessary to grow the economy and that wasteful perma-stuck price controls aren't the way forward. They learnt from the Soviet experience.
>muh cheaper TVsFuck you're falling for all the neoliberal memes today I guess. If your wage has remained stagnant for the last 20-30 years as so many workers in the West have; how the FUCK is that a net benefit? You think a boomer who raised their entire family on a single salary trade union job, paid off mortgage, has two cars and money to go on vacation and everything, had a harder time than some fucking zoomer living paycheque to paycheque in a cramped 200ft sq ft apartment eating frozen dinners? That boomer had, what, maybe 6-15% average annual inflation and was still living a better life. The neoliberals enforced budget discipline and inflation targeting to LOWER INFLATION and they did it by destroying unions, workers rights, outsourcing, privatization, etc.
Read a fucking book! You know NOTHING and arguing completely out of your ass!
>>486153Bystander here.
But that is only true with price controls, right? Meaning that a good minimum wage or a UBI price controls are unnecessary? Why subsidize bread when you can simply give that money to the citizen and have them choose on what to spend it.
>>486159*cont: The main reason why priced could be decreased under Stalin, particularly in the post war, was because of vast increases in productivity that occured in many industries.
However by the seventies productivity growth slowed and the USSR implicit subsidies for consumer goods of various kinds rose leading to occasional particular shortages and arbitrary consumption inequalities. This then explodes with perestroika because of the coops buying state goods and reselling them as well as the abolition of the state monopoly on foreign trade.
>>486155>Because agricultural productivity increasing is not based off the sole will of the plannersYou dumdum just assumed that productivity didn't increase. Your imaginary example is just that, an imaginary example that has no relation to reality.
>The temptation for socialist governments is to subsidize the price of goods under price controls (generally food) way below the break even point meaning that their funds aka their total financial capacity and what the limits of what they can do is being wasted on keeping certain goods permanently stuck at a certain price levelPrices and subsidies just reallocate labor, lol. It's more akin to giving a priority to things than spending resources. You spend resources on producing goods, not on buying them when they are already produced. What the fuck are you even going on about? If bread is cheap via subsidies, it's cheap due to basically making other goods costlier. It doesn't decrease overall amount of goods produced DIRECTLY, in can decrease it via making labor more scarce in some industry, because all the laborers went to other job, but OVERALL? Man, you have the most down-to-earth consumerist understanding of economics.
>No, no one smart invests in deflationary environments because sitting around and doing nothing with the money is incentivized! And yet stalinist USSR, which had deflationary environment, grew fastest in the world for 3 decades. With people investing in bonds, issued by the government, to help the government build more factories, with people saving money in banks, because government told them to and guaranteed that it's safe and good, and so on. You are fucking wrong, HISTORY showed that.
>and the likelihood of that? Nil, because customers know they will be able to buy that same product for much cheaper next year! Oh yes, people have to buy food, clothes, TVs, cars, homes, education, healthcare, only IF THERE'S INFLATION BREATHING DOWN THEIR NECKS. What the fuck is wrong with you?
>In addition, the money that I would be paid for whatever good I sell would be worth less (because at that point in time the increase in value hadn't kicked in yet) meaning that further investment into the enterprise would again be a net loss disincentivizing me from continuing. Dude, your money will be able to buy 2 times more of the same TV. You are not CAPITALIST, you are WORKER! You don't fucking buy up companies and invest free money, you live off your WAGE, which you get at the end of the month and which you spend, if we look at the entire economy, on the goods you produced yourself! Stop being a retarded cuck to bourgeois economics.
>It's because those goods were produced through the destruction of their native industries meaning that they have suffered a net loss in their living standards through increased unemployment and decayed prospects! Who the fuck cares about americans who got outcompeted? We were talking about internal circulation of goods here.
>because environmental damage not being factored in is a reason why so many goods are so cheap in today's free trade environmentAre you seriously implying that we live in a zero sum economy? What the fuck, lol
>You can buy less food on the same salary in China today than you could 10 years agoNo, you can buy more food on the same salary (except their salaries also rose). That's the fucking thing for China, they are lifting out of poverty, they are lifting into the middle income, and soon into high income bracket.
>wasteful perma-stuck price controls aren't the way forwardAnd yet they are "stucking" steel, coal, electricity prices all the damn time. Fuck, do you even know anything about China, lol?
>Yes of COURSE companies want to out-compete their rivals and push cheaper products.And that is a net zero sum because of environmental damage, according to you.
>Fuck you're falling for all the neoliberal memes today I guess.Dude, who's socialist, and who's capitalist, China or USA? In a socialist country, working class controls the state, thus the state works for the people, they produce goods that people need, they do what people want, and that is realized in particular in the form of prices falling while wages are rising. Your "muh neoliberalism therefore you are wrong" is fucking dumb even without me not being a neoliberal.
>That boomer had, what, maybe 6-15% average annual inflation and was still living a better life.You are an idealist retard who doesn't understand that for different stages of development different things work. Say, Lenin encouraged super-inflation in early USSR to erode the wealth of the rich and to seize their property, and workers were unaffected because they spent their money almost immediately anyway, and peasants paid in grain and were separated from the cities.
>>486160>The main reason why priced could be decreased under Stalin, particularly in the post war, was because of vast increases in productivity that occured in many industries. Thank you that you understand my argument. That guy, however, will scream "muh neoliberalism" at the idea of goods becoming cheaper, and separately, the idea that all goods will become cheaper, hence the deflation, will stop investments into the industries because of muh no profits. I don't fucking care about present-day americans, we are talking about Stalin and China here. It's a different fucking economy.
>>486157Since capitalists, and to a lesser degree, landlords, are the ruling class, all those extra money given will end up in landlords' pockets. Subsidizing bread will result in the same thing, really. Apart from controlling prices and rents with the aim of destroying capitalist (and landlords) class there's no way to increase living standards with fiscal/hand-out policies alone. Subsidizing expanded production of bread will create, paradoxically enough, more bread, and cheaper at that, though. While that other poster argued that subsidies mean "lol let the state buy that for you", in reality it's more often along the lines of the state directly expanding production, thus distorting the free market, thus it's haram even to think about that. But really, it's because capitalists hate competition, and don't like the state doing things. That's why communists love to subsidize stuff, because it kills capitalist's profits and outcompetes him off the market.
AHAHAHA
https://p-balaev.livejournal.com/1442118.html
>Впрочем, не просто. Им еще зима помешала. Думаете, только немцам она мешала? Нет, финнам тоже. Сначала мешала тем, что было мало снега: «Однако у противника было техническое преимущество, предоставленное ему погодой. Земля замерзла, а снегу почти не было. Озера и реки замерзли, и вскоре лед стал выдерживать любую технику. В особенности Карельский перешеек превратился для больших масс войск и механизированных частей в пригодную местность. Дороги окрепли, легко было прокладывать и новые. К сожалению, снежный покров продолжал оставаться слишком тонким, чтобы затруднять маневрирование противнику. (К.Г.Маннергейм).>А потом тем, что было очень холодно: «Вскоре начались исключительно жестокие морозы, поставив как нападающую, так и обороняющуюся стороны перед самыми тяжелыми испытаниями. Нам пришлось пережить такую холодную зиму, что более низкая средняя температура была отмечена всего два раза за последние 112 лет. Поскольку все строения на потерянной приграничной полосе были сожжены, вопрос размещения для русских войск стал трудной проблемой, а холод стал причиной обморожений и снижения боеспособности».Mannerheim said that finns lost the Winter War because: first, there was too little snow; second, it was the coldest winter in 112 years! 112 years! Fucking fuck, literally the same thing that loser nazis use to cope with. And from Mannerheim himself, no less! The history of WW2 was written by FUCKNG LOSERS.
>>486164https://p-balaev.livejournal.com/1442502.htmlAnd more. Finns reported that they fought off 2500 Soviet planes, destroying half of them. Also, they destroyed 2500 Soviet tanks out of 5000 deployed against Finland. With what weaponry, you ask? Well, with sniper and automatic fire and Molotov cocktails, obviously!
What a clown country this Finland is. They do believe their own bullshit, don't they? And rest of the West.
Recently found a vk page dedicated to anticommunism that tries to heroize the CIA asset Felix Rodriguz - the man that had Che Guevara executed (the fucker is still alive too). For English anons the account's posts are essentially pic related in terms of content.
Just as an aside but the Anti-Communism VK account is a Russian translated version of a Western movement funded by glowing NGOs and that literally use discount /pol/ content.
https://vk.com/wall-151189961_368439 https://archive.is/pBbu4 будьте на чику!
PS. Some fuck is shilling shirts of Rodriguez in the comments, make sure to make memes japing the fuck outta the bastard.
>>486182Bad habits carried over from Soviet times. Say what you will, but bureaucracy came from the people, and shared a lot more with the workers than with capitalists they'd become later. Also, alcoholism was endemic for Russia's rulers, czars were drinking themselves mad as well
>>486178 This or previous video on that channel exposed Nikky 2 as alcoholic, to the huge butthurt of czarist/whites fans
>>486184It's not really from Soviet times, but more from the post-ВоВ generation because during the war drinking off the trauma and drinking before battle became so necessary that the generation then and immediately after tended to over use alcohol. By the 80s this is no longer a major problem despite Gorbachev's bullshit.
>>486187 Yeah but I meant for this specific post about Rodriguez
Рудой недавно выкатил свою политическую программу
https://youtu.be/B1WsIIoNV6YЧто думаете?
>>485895I know you posted quite a long time ago, but if you're still looking, then Boris Chertok's 4-volume
Rockets and People is a comprehensive history of the Soviet program written by someone intimately involved in the Soviet space program. Chertok was a controls systems engineer, deputy director at Energia and one of Korolev's closest associates, and also worked at Roscosmos in the last years of his life. The English translation of these books was published by NASA.
>>486204The anon reposted in /edu/, mind post these useful files in
>>>/edu/1460 ?
>>486210It's all khokhols, already a reason to be suspicious. Next, ZERO official Soviet press, because everyone knows that Soviet press didn't represent opinions of the people just like Chinese press doesn't. Instead, it includes even nationalists, fascists, weird germans from Odessa who are getting funny looks, butthurt Poles, and so on.
>hurrdurr, we must send germans grain while we are starving! totally true, we are starviiiing>but-but-but pioneers know that fascista are enemies, and now we are allies! That's what BBC tells us, so that's certainly how USSR officially thinks!>RED IMPERIALISM!!1 Attacking Poland, which tried for the last decade to ally Germany to partake in crusade against USSR, is RED IMPERIALISM!!!1What a clown, wew
>>486211I wonder where did he got the scans of the documents.
Did he made them by himself? Or did he find it online?
he doesn't give any link or something
>>486210Utter horseshit. Soviet Press never said "fascists became our friends" and only declared friendship between the German and Soviet PEOPLES, as part of the attempt to calm any anti-German sentiment. As for grain as
>>486211 mentioned… it's a miniscule and irrelevant amount.
https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact#.27Trade.27_Between_the_USSR_and_Nazi_Germany >>486228>Do any Rusanons have any recommendations for Russian books/articles/academic papers that debunk common talking points about the USSR?Muhin's book on Katyn debunks the "Muh NKVD narrative" and explains the material and socio-political reasons for the action leading up to it and following.
Cyber.leninka has a lot of Russian historical articles on communism and communists. There's tons of stuff on
>>>/edu/ and things that I can't remember off the top of my head.
>Farm to Factory I'd post them but I realized that I have so many files to dig through that I can't post on short notice. Check the pdf thread on /edu/ and the Permaculture thread on /hobby/
Check this out too:
https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-factors-that-forced-Gorbachev-to-initiate-the-reforms-of-the-USSR/answer/Chuck-Garen >>486232>they just hit a couple of people who gout out of lineOK but if people like Rashkin are getting arrested it suggests a wider trend.
I've heard the younger, rank and file members are more radical.
>>486235It is less of a trend about CPRF and more about tightening the screws in our country. We are steadily going into full fascist mode.
I met plenty of CPRF members and at best they are very weak succdems, focused on actions in parlament, not even organizing unions or something else that would actually be useful. Like, there are members who genuinly want to help people or something, but that is true for any political party.
>>486237We are a horde. YES.
Turanic Judeo-Bolshevik Juche now and forever.
>>486238>>486239dont care, im not a kraut, this doesn't have anything to do with troglodyte-tier europoor ethnic ressentiment
>>486241lenin didn't have an ethnicity
>>486242>lenin didn't have an ethnicityLMAO
>>486242>europoor ethnic ressentimentLearn to spell, Anglo.
A Вновь от восторга ревёт стадион, Славных героев встречает он. Знамя победы несут сквозь века Наши армейцы из ЦСКА. Так пусть сияет и расцветает,Сверкает золотом побед Наш клуб любимый, непобедимый, Нигде такого больше нет. Видите море армейских знамён? Ветер поёт: "ЦСКА - чемпион!"Дружно шагают, их поступь легка Это армейцы из ЦСКА. Так пусть сияет и расцветает, Сверкает золотом побед Наш клуб любимый, непобедимый, Нигде такого больше нет. Несокрушимый стоит бастион, Симбол армейского спорта он. В спорте армейцы идут словно в бой, Каждый сражается как герой. Так пусть сияет и расцветает, Сверкает золотом побед Наш клуб любимый, непобедимый, Нигде такого больше нет.
>>486251Why is it that nobody is talking about Russian courts denying official archival documents about repressions as evidence?
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3841591Guy brought up a historian with him to court trying to make a head of FSB to retract his words about repressions being "grassroot errors" (meaning local authorities made errors in judgement), and the court officially pwned the guy, by NOT accepting the famous "NKVD order 00447" (which mentions Stalin approving higher limits of shootings, lol) as evidence. Meaning, you guessed it, the document is a fucking fake.
Same shit with other "evidence" Memorial Foundation was digging up for the past decades. Courts just don't accept them as such! All the latest "research" and findings in archives come from Ukraine from people like Boguslavsky, who were fucking destroyed by the most light of researches into those documents and it's claims! Outright fakery, so obvious it hurts.
>>486260>Doesn't the Russian government also put up memorials to "victims of Stalinist repression" though, and I've seen statues of people like Kolchak built in Russia.In his old age, Putin became paranoid. The system eats itself.
>>486261Don't be so naive.
>>486256Liberals malding
https://www.rbc.ru/society/13/11/2021/618f79cb9a79474464a511b4
>"They are stealing away my memories about the repressed!"https://echo.msk.ru/news/2935688-echo.html
>"Je Suis Memorial"https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-59266099
>they want to close us up because we try to sue them because they refuse to show us names of troika membersMusic to my ears
>>486268read this, there is a statistic how many of former pows were arrested again at home in the USSR
http://wiki.istmat.info/%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%84:%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B2_%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%8Fif you don't know russian run it through the google translate
https://lenta.ru/news/2021/11/21/0428/Hey guys, check this out. Nazi sympatisers were adding non-existant paragraphs to official archival documents!
But there's irony to this.
https://1957anti.ru/publications/item/1969-kak-panfilovtsy-polovinu-moskovskoj-oblasti-sozhgli-prikaz-stavki-vgk-042817th of November. Is it winter in Russia? Yet the order claims that "last month has shown that hitlerites can't fight in winter".
Order also claims that germans were stopped already in 17th of November. You know, despite them advancing 4 km per day.
So, order "orders" to create 20-30 men large "hunter groups" to raid behind enemy lines and burn villages. Isayev, who was apparently the first one to bring up this archival document, tried to prove the existance of that order by showing us reports of 8-10 men large groups not coming back from the raids.
Also, archives claim that Panfilov's division destroyed 50 villages - at the time when they were fighting in defensive battles against germans. I'm goddamn certain that the 50 villages burnt were proven deeds of nazis, until those documents were found in sacred archives to prove otherwise.
Oh, and military journals (shown in the article) of armies of Western Front don't mention that order getting fulfilled ever. They mention partisans in group of 300 people raiding a factory germans used as housing and killing 500 of them while suffering only 8 losses, however.
>>486192Any good textbooks or something similar for learning russian?
Спасибо.
>>486278Easy Languages has a channel for this:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxvt-g7JsPNnEn8tUtZZBBgThey go over lots of topics, including grammar, and have Russian speech with English subtitles. Topics range in proficiency from beginner to advanced, while also giving you insight into Russian culture/society.
Any /leftypol/-approved books about Chernobyl? Not sure if this is the right place to ask (yes I know Chernobyl isn't even in Russia) but I don't want to make a new thread.
>>486278The New Penguin Russian Course by Nicholas J. Brown is the gold standard textbook for beginners. However it should be used in conjunction with other resources, like Moscow State University's free, self-guided online Russian course (IIRC). Haven't used it, but worth a try.
>>486296Of course. I forgot to add the book is free online as well.
https://u.teknik.io/Na0xf.pdfУдачи, товарищ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJW8tuQgXgEDoes anyone has full 2 hour long version? They removed access to the video lol. There's a 20 minute-long bit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miJjjI-ZxpQ Just check out the preview. Full circus
>>486302It is not different from the original version, except that meme ideologies are real in Russia
>Zhirinovsky and LDPRnationalist politician famous for his controversial statements and fights in Duma. Zhirinovsky is in the politics of Russia since like 1990/91.
Many youtubers were orbitting LDPR (Yuri Khovansky, for example)
>Maksim Martsinkevich aka Tesakthe most famous russian neo nazi. he is got famous through his youtube videos, especially his "Occupy Pedofilyai" project, which were just pedo hunt videos. They were baiting pedos to meet them by making fake accounts of 14yos on dating sites and then humiliate them on camera. Tesak was also involved in murders of immigrants and was arrested many times (he claimed that it must have been because of muh pedo lobby). In prison he abandoned NS and became a libertarian. He was never released and died in prison a year ago. There are suspicions that he was tortured and even murdered. Is still revered by online zoomers.
>some trans influenceridk who that is
>the fight of Maksim Shevchenko and Nikolai Svanidzeboth Shevchenko and Svanidze are journalists. They got into fight during a debate on stalinism on Radio Moscow. Shevchenko is a communist, has his own party RPSS - Russian party of freedom and justice. Svanidze is famous for his liberal anti-communist and anti stalinist views, had his own program on Russian state TV called "Istoricheskie khroniki", is also known for his debates with communists.
>Svetov and VatoadminMikhail Svetov is an ancap youtuber, who is also famous for dating a 15 years old. Vatoadmin is right wing conservative streamer and economist. (debated Konstanin Syomin or Boris Kagarlitsky)
>German Sterligovliteral ultra orthodox reactionary and primitivist. staunch opponent of abortions, LGBT, alcohol and technologies. basically russian version of Varg, lol
>monarcho-stalinism/orthodox christian stalinism/red-brownismthis is just a sad heritage of yeltsinist 90s.
>>486308>I've read they also had a pedophile as one of its leaders.Yeah, one of their guys got busted with naked photos of his adopted daughter.
If it was regular CP I'd suspect the cops framed him but this is pretty damning.
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