>>15634me again from
>>557280 having gone through, its literally all posts complaining about the mods and all their bullshit lmao.
This is what they label as "spam" i.e. people having legitimate concerns about them as people and their absolute shit moderation policies and personalities in general.
How petty, how fucking disgraceful. How can you honestly with a straight face consider yourself a normal individual and good at what you do when this is how you act. Not only that but a socialist, a socialist with the qualification to silence and destroy other socialists based on your conception of "quality" there is literally no rhyme or reason to it, they feel personality insulted and this is a measure of quality. Only, they should be insulted, regularly, because they are not the highest quality of poster, but literally the dumbest, most petty and least qualified, you can tell because they applied to be mods, which they inevitably did because they got triggered so hard over and over again they decided instead of getting smart, doing research, having a better response, they would simply remove their interlocutor.
Classic opinions havers. Disgusting. All jannies, bastards, dirty bastards, every single one
>>557281>having gone through, its literally all posts complaining about the mods and all their bullshit lmao. That's what I thought as well. IMO spam would be things such as soyjaks, /pol/ copypastas, scam links and other shit like that. The posts in that thread don't strike me as being spam at all.
Judging by the fact the mods haven't responded to my post yet, it must be something they would prefer not to talk about. Isn't exactly a great start to the new moderation thread lol, the first inquiry gets completely ignored.
>>557280>>557281calm your tits sage. /gulag/ is somewhere we can shunt off posts which are enough to need stopping at the moment but ambiguous enough to debate if they should be just deleted, banned or whatever. in the case you outline it was some leftychan spammers trying to agitprop all over the place, so they were removed from proceedings and we debated on their banning (ultimately, they were given a short ban for off-topic bellyaching). its also sometimes used to hold example posts for known spammers so that mods get a good idea of the kind of content they should look out for, especially the newer guys that don't really know the esoteric bullshit some of these morons get up to.
>>557282that stuff is so unambiguous there would be no reason to shunt it to /gulag/, its more for edge cases and keeping examples of dedicated spammers.
>>557283>in the case you outline it was some leftychan spammers trying to agitprop all over the placeJust out of curiosity, how can you even distinguish between leftychan spammers and genuine criticism from anons?
To me it looks like all posts that shit on the mods get deleted or gulaged.
>>557285>fresh IPs with no prior postsYou shouldn't penalize anons for posting with fresh IPs. I have always posted with tor, and used a VPN for images because of opsec
(also partly this >>557286 ). >proclivity to do "multi-front" spamming (usually in the matrix congress), and to boot they will usually end up screencapping their own fucking posts and posting them on their site lel.Did the posters in that gulag spam thread do any of this?
>>557288>I have always posted with tor, and used a VPN for images because of opsecTOR users are fine, we only ever have issues with TOR from spam
likewise we don't tend to have false-positive bans, its happened but its rare. we aren't talking like "oh the IP has a handful of normal posts and then some insane person posts", most of the time it is literally all posts surrounding their hysteria.
>Did the posters in that gulag spam thread do any of this?Yup.
>>557287>The best functioning period of leftypol is when a polconvert posts bait and 20 people call them a retard and tell them to read the same book. There are too many bad faith posters and new people that have no idea what leftist means and it is fostering an environment for more of them to feel comfortable posting which in turn attracts more of them on and on foreverDo you feel this is a moderation issue, or a cultural issue?
I believe issues like these are best solved by taking the effort to foster a better user base and creating memes within our society. Ideally, mods shouldn't need to be anchoring shit threads to make the board half-decent, but the current meme is '/leftypol/ always eats the bait'. That's a shit culture we have and we know from history it can be changed to better handle the inevitable invasion spikes.
>>557294be one of those 20 people calling them a retard and tell them to read a book
tell others who take the bait to just call them a retard and tell them to read a book
>>557301but you also made your own commentary which is retarded beyond what can be reasonably tolerated.
you have me convinced you have some actual, unironic brain issues now
>>557283>/gulag/ is somewhere we can shunt off postsyes you don't want to have to deal with people talking about your shit decisions we know.
> in the case you outline it was some leftychan spammers its been like a year you can't just blame everything on this.
>>557287The most retarded post possible.
This is a non sectarian board, of course you genzedong redditoid fuckwits don't get that, and literally cannot resist the urge to turn everything into some redditoid idpozzed anime dengoid hellhole.
>This will improve discussion by giving regular posters principles to rally aroundgood in theory except the mods, and every poster who supports their decisions, are, provably, complete retards.
The mods who brought you Haz, now dictating a party line. Fuck off.
>The best functioning period of leftypol is when a polconvert posts bait and 20 people call them a retardI agree, the only good part of your post. Mods have banned this function of the board since forever. These are the people you are saying should set a party line.
People naturally call reactionaries retards if you actually allow them to do it, it doesn't take the eternal jannoid micromanagment.
I don't care what you or the jannies opinion of this is, because it is not correct, not factual. We used to do this on old leftypol all the time, literally every day, and it worked. Again, your opinions on the matter, if they disagree, are simply not correct.
>here are too many bad faith posters and new people that have no idea what leftist meansthis is subjective, the mods don't know what leftism is, they allowed a guy who was virulently anti union to spread his bile and censored countering opinions.
>>557297>>557298Leddit mods at it again. Can't even post the guardian now lmao
For future reference, put proposals in the proposals thread, not the moderator feedback thread.
>>557312I suspect some hacky changes to the board software made the assumption that an OP post has an image. If that's not the case, then I think it will be a good option to have. Please repost to proposals thread so we can vote on it.
>>557313I can add it as a feature request but at this point in time it would be so low in the backlog that I doubt it would happen any time soon (significant effort for minor quality-of-life improvement).
>>557314Already exists, picrel.
>>557315Good idea, I didn't realize people used that menu. In the meantime, filter by flag is available in the options menu.
>>557316This could be done, or an underline. I was wondering if it was significant as it's basically a de-facto invisible sage but I don't think it's an intentional anti-feature.
>>557331>>557333just blame absolutely everything on outside intrusion and have zero self critisms
where have I heard this before…
>>557340you are so obsessed you can't even see that isn't what I'm talking about.
The post in question clearly wasn't a raid post, it was a popular post lots of anons contributed to.
To just hand wave every shit mod decision as "um… leftchan???" is ridiculous
>>557361I literally only asked about the other thread once, and I still don't know why
that thread was deleted seeing as it was in the same ballpark as the gay toxoplasmosis thread. Did my anime HRT thread get heated? I never even saw any replies to it. I posted it, came back later and it was gone and then Shay posted her gay toxoplasmosis thread.
My only other posts in the toxoplasmosis thread were asking why the toxoplasmosis thread was being deleted and reposted, which for all intents and purposes was what it
looked like since I was the only other person posting in it and my replies were being immediately purged for reasons I could not comprehend. At that point I wasn't even aware you'd deleted my first reply to that thread, which was the only reply I'd made asking why a thread with a similar topic had been deleted. I genuinely thought you were just deleting threads left and right and that Shay was rabidly reposting her thread since I didn't (and still don't) have any idea what sort of logic you were using to discern which threads would be preserved and which would be deleted. It just looks random.
>>557364Well, are you aware that threads get "un-bumped" when the bumping post is deleted?
That story (while I am highly skeptical) makes enough sense that I will undo the ban.
>>557365Thanks!
>Well, are you aware that threads get "un-bumped" when the bumping post is deleted?Dimly, and if I had been paying super close attention I could also have tried to glean whether it was the original Shay thread based on the timestamp (but I didn't and I don't do that), but given my vaguely similar thread was deleted shortly beforehand I assumed it was as likely that the same thing was happening to Shay's thread.
>>557367Checking now. Unanchoring until I get a response.
My guess is it was a dumb kneejerk reaction to the poljak OPs made at around the same time.
>We can't talk about lifting now?Of course you can. Do us all a favor and bump the lifting thread in /hobby/.
>>557373>everytime someone says its bad here I will simply go>muh leftychan Look at reddit, its fucking awful, and that is what you people are doing, except on reddit there is abundant posters, where as here its low poster numbers and also you can't freely discuss things. All round bullshit.
Nobody else cares about leftychan anymore so i know you are a snivvelling little janny self simping. Disgusting
>>557380that's funny
godspeed
>>557369>>557370wasn't my moving it but I'd imagine it falls below the standard of the purpose of /anime/, IE actually discussing shows, less so shitposting about them (or at least keeping the shitposting within the relevant show's threads).
all of the alt-boards are meant to be more high-quality than what you'd find on 4chan's /a/ or whatever equivalent stands for the board in question. they are less just "the board topic" and more "the board topic with a leftist bend/perspective".
>>557380another faggot is born.
>>557386thank fuck for that, eh?!
>>557383lurk moar or fuck off.
the point of an anonymous culture is that your identity isn't relevant to your argument. you're just inviting people to mock you when you try to whore for attention.
>>557389I only got a trip because this guy was copying my flag to not counter my arguments
>Oh muh holy chan cultureI don’t care chan culture is pathetic
>>557396Quick, recite the original rules of /b/.
>>557397No, merely because the race isn't why they are retarded.
>>557410they aren't even trying.
how embarrassing!
>>557409This is the usual progression of any rightoid here. 90% of them get themselves banned by essentially chimping out (they always end the same way it's really weird) in short order. The remaining 10% is there as background noise making snarky comments.
>>557419>authoritarians who want to control women’s bodies You mean people that purchase sex surely?
Or sorry are you saying in fact Stalin and Kollontai and Cuba aren’t leftist and that should the boards official doctrine enforced by the mods?
>>557419Also what you’re saying being against sex work is authoritarian which is why you are banned from talking about it? Lol.
What does China do with sex workers by the way?
>>557419The only freedom you liberal liberatarians will ever achive/achived was the freedom to sell oneself.
This says a lot
>>557431deluded beyond measure
grass touch it
>>557443>codeblocks still have the wordfilter pass through them…what were you trying to put in code that was filtered?
I can put it on the issue tracker, but I'll probably have to make it a conditional thing so people don't just use it to evade.
>>557445/leftypol/ has a strict no doxxing policy, sweetie. even if they are a bunch of nazis.
VIVA LA REVOLUCION!
>>5574601) look at the IP
2) repetition
etc. etc.
look at context
>>557460yes. I wrote "what is sliding???" or something like that
>>557461what?
if by "repetition" you mean that I reposted something deleted from /leftypol/ on /siberia/ then I'm guilty, I thought that's what /siberia/ was for
>>557473>legitimate criticism against the moderation's performance<lol touch grass XD, it's not like they volunteered to keep this place in one piece or anythingSomeone some day will come here and flood spam this site with CP and people like you will be excusing the slack of an
entire moderation team when it all gets thrown into hell.
>>557473>mods aren't a professional support team sitting on leftypol 24/7 they are on 24/7. ant time you post a topic that mods don't want discussed, it will be deleted in seconds. /pol/yps, "I'm not a commie or nazi, but..", "hey commies, let me ask you how come if I dig a hole and cover it up I did labour but created no value, checkmate!", threads stay up and get hundreds of replies.
mods play it too safe. and it's obvious right wingers get more leeway than communists on this board, because the mods got fucking tilted by /pol/ memes about them all being transsexuals. and now they walk a fine line with fascist, cause got forbid the cool kids call them nerds again. it's fucking pathetic. mods care more about this being a "chan" than having a space to talk politics, strategies and theory from a left perspective.
mods also have a few pet namefags, who are above the law and moderation. they only ban poor Bee cause mods are hoping that with negging her, they'll get her to send them nudes. this place is becoming a shithole like any other. alternatives exist and are improved every day, thank fuck people have been smart enough not to advertise here.
one day, people will just stop coming here. slowly, users will wake up to the reality that on this site you can only discuss things in generals, current topics and news of the day have to be classified and fit into a general. look at any other chan, mods do not have suck heavy handed moderation when it comes to content. here, it goes beyond removing spam and nazi propaganda, you literally admit some hot topics on the left are not allowed to be discussed. wtf?
and I don't even care about mod replies to this. NOT ONCE did I see a mod admit they are wrong, apologise and say they'll do better. not once. they always perform mental gymnastics, and insult users in a condescending way, coming up with excuses, twisting things, and "winning" arguments by sheer stamina of gas lighting and spewing bullshit so that people just give up. the little amount power of being a mod got into their little heads.
and mods will never admit that this website is stagnating, if not shrinking. (cue the mental gymnastics). they show IP counts as some sort of success story, not realising that a lot of people (including myself) use about 5-10 different IPs to post, because of the overzealous moderation that likes to delete all posts by IP based on a shitpost or a joke they didn't understand that made them confused and angry. divide the number of IPs by 5 and you'll get a true IP count.
this site is stagnating because it is being suffocated by moderation. you make an OP with OC, it gets merged into the OC thread. make a topic about a current issue in the US, it gets merged into USApol. any kind of mention of the Internet in the real world, and it has to go into ITG. ITG, China, DPRK, USA, UK, Asia, Africa, OC, questions, brazil, crisis, Hungary, poland, organising, cybersocialism, … these are all generals. this type of "organisation" of a board is akin to 12yos cleaning up the desktop by making a folder for all the icons and then just throwing them in there so you get a clean desktop with one icon.
the catalog has room for something like 300+ threads (could also be 500). At any one time there's about 280 inactive threads in the catalog. why the fuck are you scared of leaving a thread up? you delete threads before they get replies, all based on FEELING alone. anything a mod doesn't understand right away gets deleted. this very feedback thread is full of complaints by people you deleted their posts without cause. and what do the mods reply every single time? an excuse.
>you got swept up while cleaning up spam>your posts looked like /pol/yp spam, we were dealing with a raid>have you tried posting better?>just recreate the thread :^)a lot of the time the threads that mods nuke have dozens of replies and active discussion within it. Once you delete it, no one wants to go back and "reenact" the discussion in the thread. the 2nd thread always gets flooded with memes and you can't just restart organic discussion on a whim.
and here we come to the main issue: mods don't know what organic growth and discussion is. all they know is micromanaging threads, hoping the discussion goes in a direction they want. but just like you can't keep trim a plant, then water it, then replant it, then add nutrients, then remove them, etc. it stresses the plant and the plant withers and dies, or its growth is stunted and it grows into a bad plant. that is what we have here. /leftypol/ is a dying tree. and instead of watering it and leaving it be, the mods are. cutting off whole branches that have a few bad leaves. there's barely anything left of this tree, a few leaves and a trunk, and rotting roots.
the biggest issue I see is that mods think they are content curators, and not janitors who clean up shit. and they created a clique that is above the users (despite mods claiming they're users first and foremost, ad nauseam, completely disregarding Marxist analysis and social relations). we have the mod logs, why? when is the last time a mod got removed or temporarily on cool down from mødding after making terrible decisions? when has a mod been held accountable for anything? that mod log is there to laugh at us, "look at what we do, deal with it".
users have no recourse, and even first time bans are global bans. how are we supposed to complain in /meta/ if we're banned from all boards, idiots? then if you switch IPs to complain, you're banned for "ban evasion" even if you did only post in /meta/.
CONCRETE SUGGESTION( that might help us begin to start thinking about commencing the beginning stages of work on improving this site, meaning there is no easy solution to this fucking mess you have): /meta/ should be modded by admins alone, not every mod, there needs to be a place for complaints where those you're complaining about can't delete the messages. I mean, this is such basic common sense that I can't say I'm baffled you don't understand.
and speaking of boards. having all the mods manage all the boards, means that there can never be board-specific cultures, like you have on the other chans. every board feels the same, every board is. moderated the same. you don't need boards, because you don't have boards, you have tags with extra steps. now you want to create more boards. do you know why your new boards have no activity? because you expect the same 100 people that frequent this website to have a million different interests and hobbies. well, you're not gonna find enough scientists, diyers, musicians and music enthusiasts, history enthusiasts, techies, artists among the same 100 people to have enough traffic to justify the boards.
just look at the fucking content, same discussions, same arguments, it's all stagnating. and mods are too busy e-fucking one another on matrix to notice.
>>557470>appointNigha…. volunteer then.
Burgers acting like karens, demanding to see the mod manager of why their prererred mode of operation is not being followed.
I DEMAND TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!
Kek. Pathetic. Not sure why you burger karens even call yourself leftists.
>>557480Cry moar tears pedofaggot
>>557481Star vs foe pedo shit is on it be careful
>>21024 >>557485IMO a porn ban is in order, unless its user nudes.
I find the racial hard-core porn threads much more grating than anything 2D.
>>557486I would say the same about porn that I say about other all consuming things. Put it in a general, then anchor that general, when it gets ot the bottom unanchor it and bump it, then let it sink again.
Pretty fucking funny when you think about it, the entirety of american politics gets put in a general, but porno is free to have 10 threads of all the different categories, really makes you think about what priorities are at play
>>557477>Y-y-you dare disagree with m-me, and-d-d call the mods out for their incompetence!!! You MUST me a mutt!! Go play in the traffic, gringo imbecil.
>demanding to see the mod manager of why their prererred mode of operation is not being followed. Disingenuous faggot. People are telling the mods to do
anything at all.
Feel free to stop having their cocks so far down your throat you can't think any time.
>Nigha…. volunteer then.Next time i might just do that, if they are around to make me one LMAO.
>>16327Cartoons and actual CP are worlds apart…
I see loli and I shrug. I see actual CP spam and it makes me shudder wishing for mind bleach to exist.
>>557475Unironically volunteer. If you have a fresh take on how moderation should be done, then volunteer and make yourself be heard. This isn't a gotcha, i mean this seriously. Perhaps you could then understand why mods don't do what you think is right and can suggest changes based on their reasoning to better make your points. You might also learn of challenges of moderation that might better refine your suggestions.
Join the mod team, don't be a lil bitch.
>>557500good post.
jannies should make gay little recruitment posters imo
>>16348Our site is run by fbi.gov users currently
I FUCKING HOPE they’ll actually try to be decent people and do something about those freaks
>>16351>>16350>>16351You know if the two of you
pathetic faggots would post on your own board for once it would have more thab 0-3PPH on the regular.
>>557508Hahahahaha you fucking faggots banned me for reporting someone that was obviously disobeying mod rules? How far did you faggots fall
Go ahead ban me again it won’t change how shit you freaks are gonna make this site if nothing changes
>>557511its not only enabled
I was the guinea pig for testing the snow to begin with
I've had the snow on since October
>>557512please have yourself lobotomized asap
I turned that shit off after 5 minutes.
>>557516everyday
everyday you make a thread about some internet shithole
You need to sort yourself out
>>557517HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT SEE THE BLATANT FACT THAT ANTIWORK RUINED THE FUCKING LEFT FOR CENTURIES
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST MAJOR FAUX PAUS EVER. WE ARE GOING TO LIVE IN FASCISM CERTAINLY. SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TELLING ME? TO IGNORE THIS SHIT?
>>557511how are you this mad about snow lmao
did a snow kill your baby?
>>557516holy cope
Go back to /pol/ or even better go outside
>>16320Yo I didn't check this thread for talk about that other thread until now.
I normally like femboy shit, but I've avoided posting in that femboy thread because until now I honestly assumed I'd be merc'd if I did so.
I know nothing about Star vs the Forces of Evil as I don't watch children's cartoons, but looking it up now Marco (the character with the most complaints in that thread) is canonically 15 - and honestly, the way he's drawn he could be younger. Like he doesn't look like a mature 15 to me and it kind of does bug me that so much of that thread is pics of this fucking Nickelodeon character who looks young even by femboy standards. Pretty sure one of the pics there is a Shadman drawing of some celebrity's 11 y/o kid dressed as Harley Quinn too.
There's loads of good femboy art, so I don't know why the thread's full of that Nickelodeon riffraff.
>>557535A zine is a magazine. Usually alternative style and usually online.
>>557536This is the most retarded conclusion possible. Good job.
>>557475>a lot of the time the threads that mods nuke have dozens of replies and active discussion within it. Once you delete it, no one wants to go back and "reenact" the discussion in the thread. the 2nd thread always gets flooded with memes and you can't just restart organic discussion on a whim.
>and speaking of boards. having all the mods manage all the boards, means that there can never be board-specific cultures, like you have on the other chans. every board feels the same, every board is. moderated the same. you don't need boards, because you don't have boards, you have tags with extra steps. now you want to create more boards. do you know why your new boards have no activity? because you expect the same 100 people that frequent this website to have a million different interests and hobbies. well, you're not gonna find enough scientists, diyers, musicians and music enthusiasts, history enthusiasts, techies, artists among the same 100 people to have enough traffic to justify the boards. >>557547I've removed the ban
but if you are asking me about that meme, I can't really say it is definitely reactionary (I can not tell what it's meaning is) but neither does it look like a
>leftist edit of stonetossAll searching Neo-Leninist throws up is schizo blogs which does have a "/pol/ energy", if you will. Plus of course the appearance of the elephant.
>>557555Understandable.
Thanks
>>557559I know the elephant is the republican animal. It still looks deranged to me.
As I said Neo-Leninist only throws up schizo blogs, if you could quote some Republican publication using the word, I would actually be interested in that.
>>557569I don't think it's a constant thing, but it is something that does happen and mods have publicly banned then for it. Make a thread, argue with yourself,
get b&.
There's on gustano called 'miamifag' who does this and posts USApol-tier news thread OPs for hours and replies to them repeatedly for attention.
>>557279mods pls make a
"chinese economy" "news about china" "chinese foriegn policy"
threads
just having a china general is causing people to autistically fight each other. seperating it would stop the retarded fights
>>16618>im making fun of you wanting everything in fewer threads<Hurr I wuz pretending You're an idiot, there are dozens of dead threads on /anime/ from people making a bunch of threads on one topic
>hypocriteI come to leftypol in the evening after I come home from work, retard.
>muh jannizIt has always been /a/ policy to merge or dlete duplicate/redundant threads since /a/ existed you n00b.
>not the people actually wanting to use the boardI helped create that board you moron, literally a ton of threads there exist because I created them or revived them before they died. A year ago the board had 0 PPH because we had a dozen different threads on capitalism and anime or related, I narrowed it to 3 threads because there ain't a point to making a bunch of samefag crap.
>>16620>we are on an anonymous boards<Muh crednetialzYou really are retarded if that is your Kizaru-tier conclusion
>about the few insufferable posts youve made hereAre you retarded? I haven't posted in /meta/ in over 4 months you dotard.
>retarded metapoThat'd be you hon.
>>557579><Hurr I wuz pretending you are autistic.
i was making fun of your janny wannabe attitude, not "pretending" anything (?)
>there are dozens of dead threads on /anime/ from people making a bunch of threads on one topicbut the threads served their purpose when they were made and thats more than enough, like i said, threads dont need endless replies to be good
>the rest of your postdid you forget we are on an anonymous board lol
i dont give a shit about your made up credentials, only about the few insufferable posts wanting to police everyone else youve made itt and if i had to take a bet, some metaposts made on the anime board today too
stop being a cop, it might help make your life less miserable
I'm
>>557576 I don't mind more threads, hell, I want them, but they ought to be on topics that aren't redundant. The Re;Zero thread is Isekai, but stands on by itself as a topic, 12067 is a good effortpost but LITERALLY belongs in an existing thread, and until the bump from tonight, had drifted to Page 7 because the topic is already fairly esoteric and has an existing thread dedicated to it and containing other effortpost material. FFS
>>557581>i was making fun of your janny wannabe attitudeNo you're accusing me of that because "any request for quality control is muh janny boogieman"
>hreads dont need endless replies to be goodYou moron, the threads are still there even if they drop in catalog, so if someone has something to add they can literally scroll and post, no need to be redundant and fill up catalog, bumping off good threads, there is not archive for /anime/ currently so they'll be lost permanently.
see
>>557580 for the rest of your deleted garbage
also see
>>557582 >>557475>and here we come to the main issue: mods don't know what organic growth and discussion is. all they know is micromanaging threads, hoping the discussion goes in a direction they want.
>the biggest issue I see is that mods think they are content curators, and not janitors who clean up shit.still at it
fuck jannies and fuck this site
>>557592The posts in that thread are all left anti idpol and are a good opportunity to teach OP not to be a race realist. Idpol topics are fine as long as /pol/ or vulgar "leftists" don't enter the thread.
My 2c.
>>557598I don't want to start a debate but people with different color skin usually have different backgrounds and those backgrounds are essential to understanding problems from perspectives you're individually not privy to.
I am not black, but I am gay, and I am frequently surprised at how people can be oblivious to a lot of shit that is either exclusive or outright homophobic. It's not about being offended, that's not my point. I've been around black americans and I really don't envy the shit they have to put up with daily. Starting with the psychological burden of being "colored" daily, aka something other than default (white). Similar situation with women.
The guy was probably a lib, but I'd argue that is is also best not dismiss it so out of hand either.
And to finalize, two black identical twins might have radically different perceptions from each other about their experiences of living "as a black".
I agree that the OP was idpol, I even commented on the thread that it was, but rejecting the possibility of different but useful perceptions due to upbrining and lived context is not idpol, its basic marxism.
With these things, it's really hard to straddle the line. The amount of nuance needed is very high, and a super critical classed analysis must be always at the forefront.
>>557601kek
there he is again
>>557604>>557603Deleted for irrelevant mod drama.
The ban is in part for posting stupid shit like this.
>>557606It looks like you're ban evading. I can't know for sure.
Siberia is no the board for criticism.
And "no U are here more time than I am Mr Mod!!!!" is not criticism. I have no idea why you think that is valid criticism at all.
I'll remove your 10 hour ban from Siberia.
>>557606>>557604>>557603Stop posting retarded teenage angst rants, idiot. Now I'm sure unbanning you is a bad idea. Ffs….
I'll do it anyways, but stop acting like a child.
>>557607>It looks like you're ban evading. I can't know for sure.how does it look like ban evading? you must think users on this website are very stupid. a lot of people have started using VPNs because you delete by IP way too much.
>>557608if you don't want people posting screenshots from your mod logs, hide/remove the mod log. you pretend as if you care about "transparency", but as soon as people use the tools YOU PROVIDED, you start bitching. what gives?
>>557609Don't post mod drama outside meta.
Ezpz. You can post as many mod logs as you want here.
>>557610>Don't post mod drama outside meta. >Ezpz. You can post as many mod logs as you want here.And its the first thing you do.
Seriously a net negative on this board.
>>557610>Don't post mod drama outside meta. >Ezpz. You can post as many mod logs as you want here.thanks, that cleared it up.
>>557611>And its the first thing you do.<a lot of people have started using VPNs because you delete by IP way too much.you have no idea what is the first thing I did cause you have no idea which posts are mine,
>It looks like you're ban evading. I can't know for sure.stop playing Serpico and leave me alone, how about that?
>>557613It's just a shitshow
and OP is very much in the middle of it
>>557614Come on, it's a
good shitshow.
It's to early to lock it, most effort-posts in those type of threads start coming in after the initial aggression has run its course.
The original claim is a Marxist claim, but I understand why it would be a point of contention for some. That's why it's a conversation that needs to be had.
>>557615Alright
I'm gonna be honest, I don't really care that much, if people wanna waste their time with the aggressively retarded that's on them.
>>557619lmao "muh pasquale" is becoming the new "muh caballo"
take your meds anon
>>557617A dead thread would be either archived or deleted.
>>557625As opposed to anyone with half a brain who actually reports things that deserve deletion like /pol/tards and shitposters, all you can do is flail your arms wildly because… two threads with similar topics are up.
Generalfags are a cancer. How about you fuck off and let people who actually want to post in peace?
>>557626>A dead thread would be either archived or deletedNo it wouldn't, /anime/ has no archive you fucking 4chan faggot and the catalog is huge. That thread had ben on page 20+ and got necrobumped, you loudmouth retard
>As opposed to anyone with half a brainThat ain't you chief
>reports things that deserve deletion like /pol/tards and shitpostersI do, if they're actually /pol/ and not your imagined idea of it.
>all you can do is flail your arms wildly<politely asking mods to do their jobs is angry flailing
>Generalfags are a cancerNo u unironically, It has always been /a/ policy to merge, lock or delete duplicate/redundant threads, especially necroed ones
>let post in peace Don't hide behind that sophistry, nobody is preventing them from posting, you have to go out of your way to post in a thread that old and that low in catalog, indicating disingenuity
>>557628>you have to go out of your way to post in a thread that old and that low in catalog, indicating disingenuityTake your meds you paranoid bastard.
The only upside of mods not giving a fuck about this place anymore is that they won't listen to your whining either.
>>557632>paranoid <hurr u pointed out an obvious thing, u must be paranoid! Necrobumping? what's that!? Fuck off projector
> only upside of mods not giving a fuck about this place anymoreThey do, are you paying attention to the thread and logs?
>won't listen to your whining<hurr if you make a mod request ur whining! Ok, we get it, you're a lolbert, go back now.
>>557640tor prevents bans, mass IP post deletions and (most importantly) forces the jannies to make a moderation decision based on a post alone, as they can't look at IP post history.
If your post gets deleted, just post it again using tor and they sometimes leave the post alone then.
>>557644>it's going to get ruined thanks to /pol/ shitposters who really want to talk about uyghurs./pol/ has know about tor forever. Its not some big secret. How many /pol/yps do you think read through this thread anyway?
My post will mainly be seen by regular users who have issues with the mods.
Based fellow schizo tor poster though. Glowies and jannies can fuck off.
>>557634>the avatarposterLiterally who, nobody posts under an avatar in /anime/ not since Tomoko-Stalinstache.
> shitting up literally every thread Imagine being unable to argue in good faith and then turning to mods to bitch about your feelings being hurt for derailing threads with liberal idpol.
>>557635 Because you're blatantly making shit up and got rightfully deleted for derailing a thread to bitch about idpol?
>annoying religious retardNobody talked about religion on anime except for ONE thread and the only talk of religion is the self-proclaimed liberal gay guy that couldn't shut the fuck up about CS Lewis was christian, ven though it had nothing to do with the discussion.
>>557639>if a site makes it clear it doesn't want your posts, why dont you use an annoying workaround to keep posting there?because I'd have a better time posting the same things on a site that aligns with what I want to post.
it unironically sounds like there's 10 people who believe leftypol is the only website that exists you can post dumb leftist politics in.
>>557653>They literally have been spamming derailing "muh /pol/ christian moralism etc" all over /anime/ at any post they don't like.oh relax ive been calling you that too so rest assured its more than one person who thinks youd do the board a favor if you fucked off and let weeaboos talk about the things they like instead of more boring moral arguments nobody is going to actually take seriously
also anyone with a few brain cells will notice the posts theyre replying to are in fact religiousfags whining about "degeneracy" or """""coomers""""" or whatever the fuck you people obsess over,
on /anime/ of all thingsthis is disingenuous as fuck but to be expected from someone who is unironically a christian
>>557655>bla bla bla I can't read, and I'm totally not a samefag Ok illiterate, go back to 4chan
>posts theyre replying to are in fact religiousfags whining about "degeneracy"Nope, not a single post features a religious fag or even the term "degeneracy" You are literally making it up.
>""""coomers"""""Again go back to 4chan, being a coomer isn't "cool" or "edgy" or anything good and the majority of leftypol has expressed a dislike of it or making the excuse for it. fap in the privacy of your home or on /siberia/, nobody is stopping you, but don't try to defend it.
>whatever the fuck you people obsess over And yet you're the people that have derailed thread after thread bitching about a topic of a post from 2 years ago, and arguing in bad faith at that. Go back.
>this is disingenuous as fuck but to be expected from someone who is unironically a christianLMAO Read a book and documents of the Soviet era on religion you edgy, projecting child. You are one of those retards that read "Religion is the opiate of the masses" and ignored everything else communist theory talks about in that regard.
Moreover you are again making fake claims, cuz YOU are the only one bringing up christianity and "morality", a literal strawfaganon.
>>557657>Muh cummies!!! Again you are free to post and fap to porn on siberia, just don't pretend it isn't a consumerist problem.
>shadow ban anyone who calls them outdramafagging is a violation of the rules, use your head.
>>557658uyghur We have the literal mod comment above. All you've done is piss off everyone in /a/ at this point.
Fuck you you disingenuous piece of shit.
>>557659>literal mod comment abovemods have an account username, they don't really namefag. Also irrelevant.
>All you've done is piss off everyone in /a/You're the only one still bitching about it FFS and then getting mad people reply
>Fuck you you disingenuous piece of shit.Right back at you, lying scum.
>>557657If you mean /leftypol/, it's literally been a designated SFW board for years.
If you mean the site as a whole, picrel.
>>557658>just don't pretend it isn't a consumerist problemim so tired of you pseuds, moralizing doesnt make you more communist
stop disguising your christian values under a leftist pretense
>>557659>We have the literal mod comment above.you made that post, stop samefagging lol
>>557621Not just normal, necessary.
>>557639I'll let you in on a little secret, they are already all doing that (all 2-4 of them). Now why do you constantly complain about bans?
I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader.
>>557642Yep.
>>557673if you want educational threads concern trolling threads made by pollyps arent the way
>>557671the only people pissed off are the very same pollacks making these threads, some guy that made puppy eyes above immediately went on to make multiple shitty threads after getting unbanned
tripfags being stupid as usual
>>557679you should take your meds
realize the ego boost the janny is going to get when he sees that youve been calling some random anon by his name, maybe think about that before you keep calling anyone disagreeing with you a mod
>>557683Well, now I am honestly confused, which is not something that happens often.
>>557681>>557678Just don't engage. Time is valuable.
On that note, there is one thing I thought was interesting.
I very much fail to see how
>I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader.is in any way smug or arrogant. On the contrary, I have faith in people that they can discern things without me constantly, repeatedly telling them what to think.
>>557685Still not seeing it.
I mean I like people that repeat my words but that's a separate issue.
>>557689it's better than his actual OC, he would post multiple 60+ mb videos edited on free android apps
pretty sure they're just some kid bouncing around the polcomp like that one meme video
>>557689>>557690>>557691The insufferable cunt has also been polluting the booru with his fashoid retardation.
Given the """"quality"""" of his images, i assume he's the same anon as that equally embarrassing CenterLeftist guy.
>>557698Mini-me here is right
who?
>>557708this one isn't even hiding it with the pic >>>/leftypol/743918
a lot of the replies could be the same person too
>>55770875% of the time these threads are made by an IP with 0 prior posts (except sometimes when they post in the OP they made and nowhere else), and its been this way as far back as the move away from bunker at least to my knowledge. We don't know what it really is - a spambot, someone trying to slide threads, or whatever else.
It's not too high-intensity so we usually just manually delete or sage them, but if it ever gets bad enough we will probably put in place something like a post prerequisite before you can make an OP - like 25 posts or something.
>>557708>What's up with these occasional threads where the OP just asks a generic prompt question about how /leftypol/ feels about a certain topic even if there's already a general for it.>>557713>We don't know what it really is<being this fucking newThat kind of style of OP is from chans, especially on big 4chan boards like /tv/, /g/, /his/… it's just a low effort way to get (You)s, that parasocial dopamine hit we get from social media interaction.
>pic related, just went on /his/ and found those examples. my advice to you is lurk moar, go back to reddit yadda yadda yadda
>>557716>the more conspicuous part of it is the constant IP cyclingthat is what happens when mods like to delete by IP. nobody wants all their posts to be removed because of a misunderstood shitpost or because some /pol/yp uses the same VPN provider and happened to use the same node.
>there is other stuff like the IP registries that makes it kinda sus but that is more confidential information.it is public knowledge by now that mods here write little notes on people/IPs and have a registry of them. that is another reason to cycle IPs, don't you think?
>>557718>>557719And don't forget, for those of us who live in surveillance states it's just too risky to post without a proxy or tor.
I mean, I have spent the last few weeks on here shitting on NATO and vehemently opposing war with Russia, but what the fuck will happen to me if there is a war and the government gets emergency powers?
I imagine that I'd get arrested and interrogated at the very least.
IMO the mods should be encouraging all users to post using VPNs and tor because it's a good habit for communists and radicals to get into. Opsec is important.
I was recently banned for the same reason as
>>557610. luv you guys and would never dream of breaking the rules or being unfrenly to my janitor allies <3. Could you please add the "no dissent outside of /meta/" rule into the rules page for all boards, or in any supporting document? I wouldn't want to forget or god forbid post off topic in siberia and I also wouldn't want anyone else making the same mistake!
>>557726>>557728I hate to be like this, but you both need to take your meds and touch grass
now.
>>557733I'm not the mod involved but my understanding from the log is that you were banned for repeated dramashit in /siberia/, your IP changed and so you didn't see that ban, and got pinged for evasion.
The evasion ban is removed, there is currently the original one week ban unless a mod says otherwise.
>>557718Deleting by IP is reserved for either absolute /pol/yps or people who are ban evading as a scorched earth tactic. The sum total of regular users who experience a deletion by IP sits around zero.
Same goes for notes, really, but with an even smaller demographic for them. The only people that tend to warrant the ones who have multiple bans on account, at which point they are de-facto noted anyways cause people's ban history is recorded on their IP anyways. And the people that regularly get banned and do not change IPs constantly I can count on like, one hand. No point putting notes on IPs that are obviously just used to burn off some shitposts never to be used again.
tl;dr if you aren't some ardent retard you never come into contact with these mechanisms to begin with. the only people who constantly scaremonger against them are the same people who get affected by them because they constantly run up against the rules.
>>557720Don't take me saying "there are retards who use VPNs to slide the catalog" for "nobody should use VPNs", plenty of people use them for regular posting and cycle through IPs fairly often. this was all in a specific context of one or a few dudes using that to spam low-quality threads.
>>557734As far as I can tell I made on post which said
“ Its another episode of jannies gas light the user base and pretend the drama wasn't them every time”
In a thread which the op was “ this board used to be fun before it got raided by unfunny /pol/tards and incels” in which every response is some meta shit, in fucking Siberia.
Pretty ironic considering the content of my post you call this “repeated drama” lmao. Desist you lunatics
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/744293.html#745345Tell me which rule I broke. Read through your rules, either the janny misread my post or he's just pissed off and abusing his power because I offended his dumb fucking American sensibilities. Janny was totally unable to point it out, his reasoning was "imagine actually believing this".
If it can't be pointed out which rule I actually broke I demand the Janny responsible personally apologize to me and issue a public self-criticism on account of his Yankee chauvinism.
>>557738The argument was concerning Yankee chauvinism, cultural hegemony etc. This is as related as it gets.
Point out which rule I broke right now. If you're unable then it's clear that this is an abuse of power.
>>557739I am not reading that post
>>557739>right nowIt's amazing you think there has to be an answer to any inquiry within minutes. Really says alot about society
>>557741I'm asking you to name which rule I broke. Just copy paste the rule here. It'll take you all of 10 seconds. You're clearly evading the issue which shows you know you fucked up.
If you can't do this then I expect an immediate apology & public self-criticism. This will get worse fo you if you fail to do so.
>>557746This could be put to rest in like 10 seconds if you or wvobly point out which rule was broken.
Do so & point out which part of my post is responsible and I will accept the ban, no issues.
>>557754The thing is there are actually several instances in this very thread of apologies.
Yet this canard continues to be repeated (among others).
Let me also repeat then that people constantly repeating the same line have either no respect for others or are altogether unable of doing anything but repeating the same thing over and over daily (which, if I may be allowed to speculate, means they are stark raving mad).
>>557755>The thing is there are actually several instances in this very thread of apologies.if there are several, why didn't you find one example? is this one of them?
>>557553>I know you guys can be fags but I'm sorry for being retardedhard to tell, because mods use their mod tag here only sometimes, despite repeated suggestions that for sake of transparency mods should always use their tag in /meta/. then we run into the problem of mods having to police other mods, and we've learned from police that that doesn't happen, they just protect their own.
until mods figure out that they are not leaders of a movement, that they are not "the most advanced section of posters", that their job isn't to decide what is actual socialism and what isn't, that their job is simply to remove spam, to ban those posting CP and to ensure threads aren't flooded in /pol/ shit, that's it.
and worse yet, /pol/ shit gets the benefit of a doubt, race bait, gender bait, all of that. but if you're a communist who makes a joke, you were an enemy in disguise all along! I've gotten ban messages accusing me of all kinds of shit I'm not guilty of that it borders on paranoia. and honestly, if my humour included racism, or sexism, or any "/pol/ shit" I'd understand, but it's mostly been anti-janny action and making fun of other socialist tendencies. I've been also banned for "sectarianism" in this place, if you can believe it.
>>557763They are two disparate things.
obvio
>>557761>made more than two mistakes since December?I am sure. But not everything ends up in this thread.
>>557774Not what I said, I specifically asked if we need 2 everyday
Can we please keep the nothingburger spam to a general like the Ukraine nothingburger
>>5577802 blm threads that amount to a literal nothing burger are constantl
but all trucker threads has to be saged despite being the most successful working class uprisings recently?
>>557768>why is supporting a small group of reactionaries over the bourgeois statefixed that for you, and you can defend neither you know
imagine if we had a bunch of threads every time a right-wing militia was arrested
>>557811youve already spent a week on a small leftist imageboard embarrassing yourself, do you really want to make it two
what kind of life do you want to lead dude
>>557812what in the actual fuck are you talking about?
STOP BANNING ME! I AM EVADING AN UNJUST BAN. YOU CONFUSED ME WITH SOMEONE ELSE YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING RETARD.
>>557813nobody cares about poltards
if a mod actually falls for this then jesus christ
>>557812>>557814no, I'm not a /pol/tard, I'm a card-carrying member of the communist party. I have been on /leftypol/ since 2016. this is not the first time I have been banned from /leftypol/ for daring to express an opinion. It's not like I said "black people should be killed haha", I said that those truckers protesting are either petit-boug fascists or dumb facebook yokels roped in with CIA propaganda, but that they cannot be both because only fascists say their enemies are both dangerous and incompetent at the same time. A valid response to that could be that the leadership is petit-boug but the truckers themselves are dumb fb boomers, and perhaps we could have talked about the class composition of the protests. But I guess "TRUCKERS BAD" is the only way we're allowed to express ourselves.
I'm tired of this. I'm tired of having to explain to what a conversation is, or what a joke is. I'm tired of getting banned and posts deleted. I'm gonna block leftypol.org on my router and stop thinking about this place. Enjoy the memes, I guess.
>>557816verso books come with digital copies, I've read them on kindle. compare it to the pre-capitalist book, lukacs, galeano and endnotes, which don't come from verso. I bought Capital because it was on sale for £5, I've read that years ago, I thought it'd be nice to have a hard copy.
>>557817because they haven't been put up anywhere yet. the USSR naval one is going into my woodworking workshop and the red/yellow one is for my gf.
I'm only here because blocking leftypol IPs didn't prevent me from visiting this thread again, wtf? I guess I'll just have to edit the hosts file manually on all my machines and my phone.
Interesting how this stays up
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/746954.html#q747962someone with a leftcom flag calling the trucker protest an "international labour movement" is not banned, but me calling them petit boug fascists or dumb fb yokels is. just goes to show there's no rhyme or reason behind actions, just knee-jerk reactions and feelings.
>>557769I don't remember using any tactics. I think if I did any tactics I'd know.
If I ever did any tactics you wouldn't be able to tell left from right and up from down anymore.
But supposing (!) the first part of
>paranoid about infiltration is true and related to some burger spectacle (how do these things connect?),
I figure I should thank them for contributing to keeping the place clean.
>>557823It's me, again.
Insight into their pathology is going well
>>557827Spamming is quintessential /pol/ degeneracy.
How does it feel that your very being is a waste of time, a mild annoyance at the most?
Really I wanna know.
>>557832Modern day checkers
It's only gone like this cause you can't punch people through the internet
Here to "appeal a ban": Being banned for talking about COVID in a thread about about a protest of COVID mandates is beyond retarded. Every single piece of information I posted was based on the CDC statements that I literally linked in my post. Moreover, like
>>557815 I have been on /leftypol/ since 2016, back in the days of Aiden/Chaya, and have argued no anti-communist views EVER. A ton of effort posts on this site are mine, including the Booru screencap debunking "muh Soviet rape army" and MANY more that get referred to. I also specified that, like 16954 mentioned, that although the trucker leadership MAY be petit bourg, that doesn't devalue their point and the importance of being wary of porky and their fascistic mandates that are neither effective nor necessary and can be outright coercive of the proletariat.
Finally if you're going to ban for "Covid posting outside the thread" then you ought to have locked the entire thread, given that COVID is intrinsically part of the convoy debate and the OP itself. Also the COVID thread is a toxic place that literally mass reports any dissenting opinion not following the (corporate) MSM opinions, no matter if the source literally comes from the CDC or any other "official" medical source.
This isn't reddit, moderators, didn't we mock r/communism for their idiotic bullcrap, yet years later and you're doing the same thing. I got banned lickety-split, meanwhile gore and cheese pizza remains up for HOURS at a time. Prioritize yourselves MFW
>>557665>reeeYou clicked on 3 posts, only 1 is mine, retard.
>>557664>so tired of you pseuds Stop looking into your bathroom mirror then.
>moralizing<muh chrishtianz Burger-tier liberalist talking point, read Lenin and Soviet government policy about religion and culture you fucking ignoramus. /leftypol/ isn't "De Amazing Athiezt" but edgier, and never has been.
>>557694That's not the meaning of shadowban you pathetic /pol/cel, your cummiez are not communist, get over it.
>>557841>responding to a week old postmentally ill
>read Lenin and Soviet government policy about religion and cultureahahaha dont go there if you dont want to come out losing even harder, christcuck
>>557838Can't do nothing about the "appeal" per se (no idea what it is)
>COVID is intrinsically part of the convoy debate and the OP itself.This is correct. Meaning, I suppose, you shouldn't be able to get into a situation like this as the cucknadian convoy is an inherently right-wing topic, which should be stamped out.
>the COVID thread is a toxic placeYes (but again not for the described reason, it is quite permissive)
>gore and cheese pizza remains up for HOURS This is just very wrong.
>>557842>Posting posters about fighting religion as an establishment of capitalism. <dat meens all religion totally b& In January 1918, the Soviet government adopted a decree on the separation of the church from the state and the school from the church. According to this document, the Russian Orthodox Church was no longer a state institution and had no legal force. Citizens of the young republic, regardless of religion, were equalized in religious rights and, in addition, had the right not to believe at all. Further decrees and efforts sought to remove religious fanaticism, not by attacking religion itself, but the cult-like leadership that corrupted the original idea behind them. That's the reason for quotes like,
"The Soviet Government considers that the Sharia, as common law, is as fully authorized as that of any other of the peoples inhabiting Russia." - I.V. Stalin (
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1920/11/13.htm)
Moreover, the Soviet 1936 constitution, ARTICLE 124,
"In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of anti-religious propaganda is recognized for all citizens." (
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1936/12/05.htm)
And in the 1977 constitution, Article 52. ''"Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of conscience, that is, the right to profess or
not to profess any religion, and to conduct religious worship or atheistic propaganda. Incitement of hostility or hatred on religious grounds is prohibited. In the USSR, the church is separated from the
state, and the school from the church."''
And that is only the basics of a multi-faceted attitude, but nah, it's much easier for bandwagoning pseudo-leftists to LARP as radical anti-religious dogmatists, because you've got an axe to grind with anything.
>>557843 >responding to a week old postDidn't see it due to sagefagging
>dont go there if you dont want to come out losing even harder, christcuck See above you edgy, ignorant radlib LARPer.
>>557846>it is quite permissive Retarded meme-tier posts that talk like twitter-bot accounts (e.g.>>17204 ) are the primary content of the Cov thread, it's like /pol/, nobody'll ban you for talking about leftism, but you get spammed by bad faith and ignorant posts if you dare question the narrative of the echochamber.
>This is just very wrongIt has been a complaint on /meta/ for a long time, and I'm not the only one that has pointed it out.
>he cucknadian convoy is an inherently right-wing topicAgain, people keep yammering on about that, but all I've seen as "proof" are a couple nitter pics featuring the bog-standard /pol/-faggotry that tries to Co-opt any protest in the West. I can't post files RN but there's a webm circulating on the board that has people kick out a /pol/ Larper bitching about "muh memez" and "de jooz" that they tried to insert into the protest. You're never going to get a protest free of sleazy hanger-on people, that's like trying to go to a pub and expect there not to be at least one guy get totally shitfaced.
>>557849>god isn't real<Muh santa claus and the tooth fairy! Irrelevant, infantile nonargument.
If you're taking the bible literally, you are a moron, as deluded as any religious extremist - same coin, different sides. You don't even know the religion you are bitching about, yet proceed to do the typical tumblr "gottem" that only burgers care about.
Get help, get therapy for your anger issues, you triggered baby
>>557850>Retarded meme-tier postsare the primary content of the whole site or at least /siberia/ and /leftypol/.
90% of /leftypol/ is shit but then 90% of everything is shit.
>I'm not the only one that has pointed it outThis might be true and it still wouldn't make it not false.
I don't wanna be rude but I have to be.
Trying to divine the truth of any matter, on an imageboard of all places (which are easily manipulated) by popularity is an incredibly dumb thing to do. You'd really be better off divining tea leaves.
I am not talking about any incidents (I have not seen any material of these protests) but that their main demand seems to be not have to take a vaccine, that they have no mass support, that they use typical rightoid tactics of using the means at their disposal to make themselves look bigger than they are, as it were (vehicles, bots). Ultimately, I can't honestly be bothered to care about these shits one way or another, I was simply following your own logic to its end point.
>>557857(Me)
The layout fuckup is gone. If anyone cares, I fixed the problem by deleting leftypol.org cookies
>>557861Your posts were /b/-tier "KEK NTRFAGS BTFO topkek.jpg" shit, don't play victim here.
There's another post against NTR that isn't removed because it was made by a retard.
>>557863Deleting shitposts on side boards is stupid moderation?
Also,
>>557862*wasn't made by a retard
>>557876"why are we not allowed to advertise other websites here?"
out of nowhere
>>557882you deserved it
mods went too far by reversing the ban
Can
>>>/AKM/1053 be merged into
>>>/AKM/9 given that the topics are nearly the same.
>>557895>Kolovrathmm
>>557896Why do you even try to lie. I can see the ban was for another thread.
Correct response.
>>557898>KolovratDo you need a history lesson? Just because Kolovrat has been used by that one Estonian Nazi group doesn't make the symbol "bad". Nazis used the Swastika but if you go to India it is all over the place.
Kolovrat is a symbol of Slavic Pagan religions and it predates the Nazis, today it is used as a symbol for all Slavic people.
>>557900Then I understand we both reacted to the wrong thread.
Obviously this place isn't for praising of Pan-anything as it at the least always goes together with conquest (my speculation, it wasn't me that took that action).
>>557899>>557901This isn't much of an argument.
yes, the swastika is also older than the Nazis yet you can not use it. It is tainted. But I don't know the Slavs so well (I am still skeptical of the use of the symbol).
>>557902>This isn't much of an argument.Kinda is. Just because some fringe group somewhere uses a symbol, doesn't mean they have defined what it is. If some Nazis in Australia start using the red star, will that mean that the red star is no longer an acceptable symbol?
>yes, the swastika is also older than the Nazis yet you can not use it. It is tainted. Yes, tainted by a genocidal regime that started a world war that killed tens of millions. Estonian Neo-Nazis publisheda newspaper.
>But I don't know the Slavs so well (I am still skeptical of the use of the symbol).Exactly. So why this reaction if it's something you don't understand? I even used a kolovrat with the wheat around it, that is usually on socialist symbols and crests.
You admit you know nothing about it, yet you felt like you were in a position to act on it, why? Why didn't you ask in the thread what it is about?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Slavismhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Slavic_colorsPan-Slavism was the movement in Austria-Hungary that sought dependence for southern Slavs from A-H hegemony. After WWII, Tito, communists and partisans carried on the tradition by forming a pan-slavic state called YUGOSLAVIA, ever heard of it? Yugoslavia was comprised of Slovenes, Croats, Serbs, Bosnians, Montenegrians, Macedonians, and all of those Slavic peoples were united in one federated state. That is literally "pan-Slavism". And as someone who wishes Yugoslavs would unite back together, makes me a supporter of pan-Slavism, because together we are stronger.
Now, with everything you have learned, am I allowed a pan-Slavic thread on /leftypol/?
>>557904>you felt like you were in a position to act on itMy man, I literally told you straight up it's not my action.
>nothingI admitted I "don't know [them] so well".
Yugo nostalgia is all well and good but this is pretty much missing the point because, as mentioned, Pan-anything is not about a fellow feeling but redrawing borders.
My personal opinion is it's quite suited to /siberia/.
>>557909All things are possible, but the astroturf that we can see is "anti-Putin" to the point of rabid NATO defense.
I don't think reddit "refugees" have ever come here. It wouldn't suit them.
>East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet. >>557911bro, you aren't paying attention
smh
>>557919I believe this post violates the rule:
>14. b) imply reactionary or false positions of the userbase as a form of group shamingIn the context of the Ukraine thread, it is implying those who support Russia and those who oppose NATO are Fascist.
>>557923The general format of king lear posts are all the same.
1. declare his holy identify as an MLM
2. accuse all who disagree with him as some variant of Dengist, Dunginist, tankie, revisionist, not real communists etc.
3. spew out some schizo nonsense about geopolitics or the 4th industrial revolution
4. throw some slogans to once again proclaim his holiness
There is no novel information content in his posts, they should honestly qualify as spam at this point, on top of being sectarian garbage.
>>557930I am sure there is a technical solution to this. There is a (small) collection of the spam on
>>>/gulag/.
So expect measures to de-escalate, as it were.
>>557932>not all of Tor posters are one single glowie guy.We were never under that expression.
I use it myself.
>that guy's annoying.>annoyingHe is obsessed beyond measure. I have only seen someone like that 1-2 times before.
I will never understand their capacity for repetition. It's endless.
>>557897Thanks m8
>>557914>people can say the N-word 24/7 It´s literally filtered to uighur and everyone doesn´t use it in a literal context to rfer to blak people but like a slang term.
>banned for saying "cracker" and point out the hypocrisy of western nations in dealing with refugees during the war in Ukraine Admittedly I don't know (you) - perks of being an anon, eh? - but there has been at least one person on the Ukraine threads that has used the racism of the EU displayed during this recent Ukrainian immigration to try and do a Settler's tier "all YT are racist" rant.
>>557935I'd suggest you don't evade
Don't make me get involved in this cause I am way worse.
I have to ask why I was banned. Apparently, I am a "glowuyghur". Is posting links to sites that dos the internet infrastructure of murderous imperialist regimes that are regional enemies to the proletariat of the countries under their sphere of influence glowie behavior now? I wonder what would have happened if I posted a similar link but targeting the US, while US also was invading Venezuela or Cuba. Hmm, scratch that, I'd be banned for "legal reasons" or whatever because despite the jannie aspiration of being a serious group of serious people, you are just fucking cowards pretending to do work while in reality you just work as sheepherders for a bunch of fat hyper online cows who consider angry posting the peak of what you can do in any situation, but I digress. I think this ban just evidently shows how brainrotten Greyzone readers have become, where the logic now is "Enemy of my enemy is my friend and if you are enemy of both my enemy and the enemy of my enemy you are also my enemy". Any respect the moderation team still had in my eyes after its last bedshitting with the pineapple coup / counter-coup is now gone. I am so happy I never invested any labor into being a jannie and quit before loosing my sanity like the rest of you lot. Well, see you in 2 days, I won't ban evade again outside this post, unless you decide to extend the former ban, in which case, cya folks!
>>557941>legal reasonsYes.
also this is drivel
but nice pic
>>557941I stand in solidarity with you, grillpilled skitzo suspected kremowka poster.
I don’t agree with you on everything, but tyrannical mods must face justice
>>557944There is boring and then there is this
can you
>>557933>I will never understand their capacity for repetition. It's endless.answer me how you get like this?
>>557946I genuinely have no time for you,
it was an hour long ban
>>557951If you could actually engage with anything, you know, things might be different.
I ask you straight up why do you think these brute force spam attacks happen.
All it does is provoke a reaction (inb4 some snide comment about that word).
>>557952oh fuck off. Its always the same with libs and trots and reactionaries alike "oh but you just didn't go about it in the right way i was about to be a reasonable human being but see then you started saying things I didn't like and now that is why i'm acting like an asshole."
but, you guys have been assholes for a lot longer than I've been posting about it, and I have engaged on numerous occasions in the nicest way only to be lied to, taken in completely bad faith, actively harassed with the express purpose to run me off the board (deny all this all you want, gaslight away, its a fact, confirmed to me by people who were jannies. No, there is no point in posting proof to you people because you will simply become more and more aggressive, sarcastic and belligerent and pretend what is right in front of everyone isn't real, then escalate things with some threat)
Brute force spam attacks? You think grillpilled skitzo is a doing a "brute force spam attack"?
See this is the thing, its literal neo con "nationa security" bullshit from you guys whenever you have no justification for what you are doing. You never just fucking own up. You can never say "oh yeh that was bad sorry we will make protocol so it doesn't happen." I say never, sometimes you do, but most often, the majority of cases, this is when there has been something so blatant one of the other mods fixes it and a "mistake" is presumed, rather than a toxic culture.
I wasn't talking about spam attacks, i'm not denying you get spammed, by all means, get rid of actual spam. Yes actual spam, not "somebodies opinion which I will call spam."Spam. Real Spam.
Grill Pilled skitzo is a regular poster, posts all the time, pretty funny guy. Don't agree with everything not nearly, but it is obviously in good faith and, as i've I said, who cares, if I wanted to talk to myself i'd sit in my room and literally talk to myself like an actual literal skitzo.
I have to talk to the retard who stil pretends China didn't fund the Mujihadeen, so i'm fine talking to GPskitz.
Free him up, nerd.
This place used to be a good place for discussion, it becomes closer to facebook tier moderation every day.
>>557954See this is what I get after "if only you would engage."
So for simple yes/no clarity, do you think grillpill skitz is behind brute force spam attacks?
>>557955No, and I never claimed that lel
I was specifically trying to talk about something else bc you also commented about a different issue, not just the namefag.
>>557956>No, and I never claimed that lel>I was specifically trying to talk about something else yes, I know.
> bc you also commented about a different issueno I didn't.
So back to the OG question, why, specifically was he banned?
>>557957Because I detected a glow coming from him.
I have no problem undoing the ban (a tap on the shoulder), but it's a moot point in a technical sense.
This is what I mean with endless repetition
>>557959It's already in his post which you noticed, quoted, (presumably, but not actually) read
>>557960you are saying he glows, you should be able to point specifically to what glows. You aren't repeating shit, you haven't said specifically what he has done, his post says you accused him of being glow, because he posted links to some undefined website.
Its pretty simply you just need to state why you think he glows, but i know what you won't outright say it specifically, because then it can be evaluated, and once its evaluated, you know you'll be found to be full of shit
>>557961>aren't repeating shitAnd I intend to keep it that way
I won't be linking the website for obvious reasons, the rest you can get from his
>>557962So you are saying he glows, based on some posts where he posted a website you object to?
Posting source material you don't like isn't glowing. He's a regular poster, who has posted funny papiez memes and no doubt created.
this is DIRECTLY where there is so little OC on this board, because this is how you treat people with any kind of creative flair or humour, for extremely minor infractions, then smear them as a glowie to cover your tracks. Disgraceful
>>557971I did, repeatedly.
>>557960etc. etc.
>>557972My god.
>>557960this does not contain and description and references
presumably this
>>557941which does not give a description.
Which is also not your reason for thinking that the regular poster we've all seen posts from glows, its them saying why they don't glow.
You're a fucking retard.
Why. Why do you think this person glows. What was the nature of the website they posted which proves that are probably some sort of bad faith actor, within the realms of reasonable doubt, you mindless fucking cretin
Why was this deleted from the OC thread? Did a janny not pick up on the obvious sarcasm and confused it with… idk /pol/? Or was there another reason?
>>557975I generally agree, especially when it's just daily drama arguments and not something like a thought-out thread where an issue can be properly analyzed and discussed from both sides in a meaningful capacity.
>>557975>>557976I don't know, I've been in the same boat but I think it's instructive at this point. I won't get an answer to my questions about repetition but that is to be expected.
I have a theory that you have to really hate your fellows to act like that (after all, you think they'll forget anything they heard after a day and then you have to start over again, what a world). It's a cornerstone of the reactionary pathology.
If someone has something to say, I think they'll find a way, make a new thread on this board for example.
>>557982you're still posting
and
well, you are an imbecile on top
so ask what could be the actual reason
ask questions, uygha
don't be gullible
>>557983>Uhhh uhhh actually there’s nothing wrong with our moderation!Legit not even complaining that anything I personally posted was removed
Why the fuck does this thread even exist if you brush off all criticisms?
>>557985Not in so many words
That’s clearly the attitude people here take
Again, why is support for the fucking Russian Federation now enforced?
Do you have any sort of rational answer that makes sense as a communist or just edgy imageboard bullshit?
>>557986The answer is it's not and that's an absurd loaded question.
I am guessing you are reacting to the Tor spammer who makes hundreds of post per day.
>>557987I saw anons talking about a guy posting about a Russian labor struggle being removed
Idk if that’s the frog face shitposter
>>557988I really can't say to any one post but
>>>/leftypol/827891this is here for example
I am gonna say a good 90% of what is removed is one incredibly obsessed nutcase
>>557995There are several people using the exit if you weren't aware.
No I'm not using my fucking real IP to visit an internationally known far-left extremist website that jokes about war crimes and killing heads of state in everyday banter you fucking maniac.
>>557996…and one of them is me, I fail to see the second sentence has anything to do with it.
Anyway, we still have to shut down spam.
I was told to post here about the ban that I got 2 days ago. Basically I posted a link to a site which automatically floods Russian government / media / business related websites with dos attack spam if you open it. For this I got a 2 day ban with the explenation of "glowuighur". I mentioned it here by ban evading:
>>557941After checking on the thread, I seem to get the takeaway that the ban in question was actually because of "cybercrimes". I can accept that as the reason, however that too seems a bit fucking dumb, knowing that for one, no one is going to close down the site for cybercrimes against Russia, knowing that we already freely share around piracy links which are theoretically more dangerous for the site than cybercrimes against Russia, and that we even have freaking /dead/ hanging around. However, "cybercrimes" wasn't the description of my ban, it was "glowuigher", thus I am suspect of the motives of the janny in question, especially since my ban appeal got rejected with no ability to apply again. That is all on the situation.
>>557999>After checking on the thread, I seem to get the takeaway that the ban in question was actually because of "cybercrimes"lmao that's such bullshit. For well over a year there's been a thread up in /tech/ with resources and step-by-step instructions for buying drugs off the dark web.
The mod obviously disagreed with the principle of you posting that link and come up with a made-up reason to ban you. Do you know which mod it was who banned you?
>>557279Ah mods, spoiler failed in
>>>/anime/13649 and even though it's censored I don't want to get banned for something that dumb, so spoiler pic 1 pls, thanks.
>>557978>assmad that obvious anti-Russian shilling <U-ur Putin shills! Cool story bro.
>>557982 No, they've been banning obvious bad faith posts, faggot. See
>>557975 >>558009huh, I fail to see how that connects, like at all.
I am talking about spam, in essence.
>>558010>>558011I replied to the wrong post. For some reason, I thought you were someone else. I even thought "huh, someone uses 'reactionary pathology' too", but I should have known it was you all along. anyway, I was agreeing with these anons
>>558000>The mod obviously disagreed with the principle of you posting that link and come up with a made-up reason to ban you. >>557963>that pretty much allows them to ban anything they disagree with.and saying my posts were deleted too only because they directly disagreed with a janny in a thread. looks like it happens to a few people. feel free to call me a schizo and all that.
>>558013>cybercrimewatch out, the cyberpolice is gonna put you in cyberjail!
"cybercrime" is how governments get rid of dissidents, whistleblowers and those who expose the state. any black hat that isn't one of those, just becomes a white hat and starts working for the government instead of going to prison. what, you think they send people to jail for ddos-ing and sql injections? lol
>>558015Explain to me how dos attack site against Russia (that literally is zero risk to use even if you shouted in a cops face about using it because everyone hates Russia now and will more likely give a pat on the back)
so long as you're not in Russia, is more dangerous than piracy links which can get your ass jailed or fined in most of western europe and NA?
>>558018no idea what that means
point me to illegal content
>>558017>quirky and inclusive It's a day event for the celebration today, you mong
>can't filter the retarded namefags<everyone that is retarded is a namefag Full randomized anonymity hurts huh?
>>558017i can guarantee you don't post anything good
my suggestion for you would be to buy some rope and hang yourself with it
>>18344what're the relative odds of
a) being unbanned
b) having to wait until the war's over or something
And now I got timed out because this retard didn't like getting called out. Fucking amazing moderation quality.
>>558038>GullableHmm yes, however I don't reload the page so I can clearly see what shit you delete. OH NO HEADLINE THAT MAKES RUSSIA LOOK STUPID! Even if its fucking low effort or "fake news", there is no reason to delete it.
>>558039He has been spamming the place full time, like every waking hour.
Again you are here for long enough, hang out here enough, you should not be so unaware.
>>558043My goodness, no! Can you believe his posts are sub-par quality wise? On leftypol? What's next? He'll start a thread under 100 words long?!
>Both-sideismImagine if I was anti-Russia and pro-Ukraine. Would you ban me then?
Also yes you fucking neo-Kautskyite Hudson reading MMT mongoloids, both sides are fucking awful and Putin's government deserves to burn just as much as the governments of NATO. You fuckers would unironically join SDP hand in hand and vote for war credits if it was 1914. I didn't know this basic Leninist principle of not supporting imperialists has become libshit now. At the very least you have the decency to admit you're currating the thread according to your tastes instead of again hiding behind your idiotic "glowuigher behavior" bans.
>>558044Your snideness doesn't make you an intellectual buddy.
>Imagine if I was anti-Russia and pro-Ukraine. Would you ban me then? I'm not a mod, but yeah sure, since you don't engage in good faith so there'd be utterly no reason to let a person disingenuously shill a NATO supporting, Nazi apologist posts. And frankly that IS what you do, for all your claims of disliking Ukraine, you've only been bitching about Russia.
>neo-Kautskyite HudsonOk schizo, your name-mashing means nada.
>both sides are fucking awful and Putin's government deserves to burn just as much as the governments of NATO Yeah no, your kind of complete dogshit dogma is the kind of shit that got communists killed for no good reason because of the one fucker that didn't have the patience to keep their head down and wait for the opportunity… y'know, like Lenin did successfully, or Mao and his collaboration with the Chinese Nationalists against Japan, or the USSR and USA against Nazi Germany. Because not all enemies are equal and your moralistic cia-propaganda-tier bullshit is meaningless.
>You fuckers would unironically join SDP hand in hand and vote for war credits if it was 1914Yeah, sure buddy, if you say so, you're the self-described Schizo, you can live in your fantasy… just don't post about it, because your fantasy disgusts any sane and normal person that has even the slightest modicum of understanding of real politik and reality in general. In fact please, do go to Ukraine this very minute and start attacking Russians and Ukrainians indiscriminately, I'm sure that'll bring around communism much faster and we'll appreciate your sacrifice, oh great humanist that you are.
>I didn't know this basic Leninist principle of not supporting imperialistIf you had actually ever picked up a tome of Lenin, you'd comprehend the definition of imperialism and the reason you don't do "both-sideism", you might as well jump between of 2 trains crashing together for all the good you'll do, and in fact Ukraine's anarchists did that and got annihilated by both Ukrainians and Russians, having collectively done the equivalent of stinging them by killing or lynching a couple of their soldiers.
>At the very least you have the decency to admit you're currating the thread I'm not a mod you faggot, do you see a hashtag and Nametag on my posts?
>hiding behind your idiotic "glowuigher behavior" bans.You are a blatant "glowuigher" because you repeat their rhetoric like a good burger stooge
ZEETHE MORE >>558045Very on point post.
However, for the purpose of moderation pretty besides the point. The issue has always been at least 95% Form (repetition, repetition, repetition, spam, spam, spam) not Content. Which is why you'll see absolute abysmal quality posters like this joker and King Lear being allowed to drag down the board quality.
>>18425putler heckin
THANOS SNAPPED me.
please provide Reddit gold to resurrect me kind stranger
>>558054Hello seething jannie
You sure are a great moderator, giving people time-outs for joking at your expense
You aren’t at all like a redditor, destined to drag this board into the shitheep with the saddest attempts to exercise non-existent power
>>558055You are projection so hard
You are a self-admitted redditor
>>558056>U R PROJECTING SO HARDGod the jannies here really are shit
You literally tossed out a ban because I made a joke about you wanting to fuck your friend, which funny enough you admitted you want to anyway
What kind of loser autist would mod an imageboard and not be able to handle jokes
Shitting out the word “REDDIT” doesn’t distract from what a shit job you’re doing in the Ukraine thread, first banning people for not simping Russia, then banning people for making a joke about you, dork
>>558057I am simply banning you for being an unfunny, perpetually triggered anglo
The rest of this post is schizo fantasy
>>558059This is a waste of time.
Let me try explaining it extremely simple:
You are all those things you hate, I don't throw around the term projection
Get better.
>>558060Lmao it isn’t a waste of time at all if it gets you to admit your moderation is shit
You’re trying to be funny and glib while admitting that your moderation is entirely flippant and frivolous
You ban anons who haven’t actually broke a rule because something they wrote makes you seethe a bit, this is according to your own words, just said without your personal bias covering the fact
Yes, that makes you a terrible, reddit tier mod, behaving like this. Reddit is the other place designed to be a dogshit dictatorship where overly emotional whiny moderators that choose favorites and have their personal biases control how they act on the job ban people and cut discussions on a whim
Saying
>You’re banned cuz u r not funnyJust proves you’re a shit mod and memeing about it and being glib doesn’t somehow take away from that lmao
>>558061I am looking at your post history in toto.
The thing about it is, I just very recently removed a ban on there.
You just don't have a clue.
>>558053>Why are the mods getting so dogshit that they’re banning people for making jokesBecause
A) Most of them aren't jokes
B) the proven fedbots are en masse, so discerning a joke is hard in a typed medium
>>18441>Imagine a janitors broom sweeping a turdBased
>>558079>Does that fall under the rules of "reactionary positions"?TL;DR: You answered your question.
Keep in mind blatantly stating a ban for racism and homophobia in the rules gets used by liberals to shut down criticism for identity politics and gay/race groups. For example back before the leftychan split, I got banned by Melons for pointing out the false glorification of Harvey Milk and the fact that he was an exploitative, manipulative paedophile that preyed on under-age boys and groomed them, before discarding them after they began to hit puberty. But because he's an "icon of gay (liberal) rights" criticism of him got turned into an accusation of "homophobia".
>>558083>vague non-specific complaintno
>>558085This is a good point, but I think the initial solution should be just removing the supporters.
>>558093You're afk? Then how are you typing this, uygha?
>explanation for LGBT?don't know, don't care but sounds idpol.
>'where do I go?' thread?Is bog-standard fascist thread and blogposting on top. So pretty much the worst posting possible without just spamming expletives.
>>558096you should take a break from the Internet, touching grass would do you good. what are you calling insanity exactly? trying to discuss the moderation of this website on the appropriate board?
if I post a screenshot of the mod log, will you delete it?
>>558104please just go back to reddit r/stupidpol
you aren't wanted here, we are russians, we are pro russian and you should go somewhere else faggot
>>558106>Malorussiagood job vomiting out the blackest reaction and bourgeois nationalism you faggot
mods ban Russia critics like me for being "glowies" but shit like this post and this >>867568 is on full display.
have fun with your echo chamber, im out
>>558111>I also was a leftypol janny once.And I assure you that is taken very seriously
:-)>>558104I recall there was something about there "not even being 6 million jews in Europe".
Mods the current OP is in ukraine thread is outdated and full of shit now since almost everything is censored/closed.
Please delete the all text and replace it with this:
>Remember to follow https://t.me/intelslava on telegram for news, the west is silencing every media that provides alternatives to the MSM narrative, that telegram channel is russian (in english) so they can't censor it.
>Also follow https://mobile.twitter.com/RWApodcast on twitter (while it lasts) also their telegram https://t.me/RWApodcast
>Mangopress is another good one : https://t.me/mangopress>>5581202 things
1) You are catastrophically wrong about Covid
2) Stop sending me reports
However your ban is lifted, don't do it again, etc.
>>558122>catastrophically wrong about CovidThanks for the unban, that is appreciated. However the very post I got banned for literally cites the CDC. If I'M catastrophically incorrect than is the CDC also catastrophically incorrect? Besides I didn't even talk about COVID directly, merely stated that I think the vaccines like Pfizer are unsafe for people as proven by numerous side-effects and (again) CDC data. Cuba and Russia have better products but they are blocked from international export by American Sanctions. You're not getting a Sputnik vaccine if you're in the Western hemisphere, so by default in reference to "vaxx" I referred to things Pfizer and related, and that forcing people to take such faulty, poorly tested products is unethical at best. That is all I am saying based on OFFICIAL sources, not even the people that question the validity of said official sources.
polite sage
I think
>>>/edu/2320 should be merged into
>>>/edu/338 since they're the same topic and the threads/board is slow as it is without split threads
>>558123>>558122>>558120Mods you really need to reconsider your Covid position. I am vaxxed, for the record, with Pfizer. I didn't want to be for a long time but I caved because I had a sick relative and getting covid sucked for me.
Anyway, vaccine scepticism is way more widespread than you think, particularly among young working class people. Oddly I've found particularly among women, who have fertility concerns and so on. Around 1/2 of my workplace is vaccine skeptic, namely cos one of the first people who got it had severe side effects, her eyes swelled up so she couldn't see for 3 days. The NHS response was LOL call us back if it persists. It didn't persist, but still, pretty scary. My partner and a lot of her friend shave missed a period every time they have had a shot, and so on. Now, on balance, is it better everyone is vaxxed? A different convo, I think people should at least be allowed to express concern and share opinions/stories.
There are big names on the left like Max Blumenthal who are anti vax and stuff, i think he is wrong and has started repeating bullshit takes, but still, the realm of thought is not necessarily outside of the left.
It is also is just one of the most topical conversations around, or at least was before Ukraine. If we want to grow, we need to be open to be having the most topical discussions of the hour
>>558127Well that's scary.
It seems that vaccine complications are way more widespread than the media reports.
I'm somewhat of an antisocial guy with a small friend circle, but I know of two people (both under the age of 21) who got fucked by the vaccine. One had heart complications from phizer and the other was in hospital for a few weeks unable to walk.
It's definitely a topic we should be allowed to talk about here.
Oh bother, here we go again. With a seven day ban no less! The echo chamber enforcer is really getting pissy I see.
>>Azov>>Soldiers: 1500>Wow I am so happy Russia is going to demolish half of Ukraine to denazify this massive and dangerous movementBan reason:
GLOW OPNice to see Mr Echochamber still can't be bothered to write proper sentances. It is amazing how trigger happy this retard is. Boy oh boy I wonder how long of a ban with a reason of "le pol" I'd get if I even dared to jest about "we are winning putinsisters!".
I will repeat again, jannies, wrangle in your tard. He is fucking poison to the site, and making it into an echo chamber for Putinoid worldview, getting triggered worse than pol jannies at the slightest criticism or mockery of his daddy Russian oligarch, and your entire mod team begins to look as if you all are retards made from the same shitty clay.
>>558119FifthCommunar. My old PC literally melted down in the middle of Pineapple autism fit along with my matrix logins, and I couldn't be bothered to ever return, and I am happier for it.
>>558130Its not really toxic, more just a gaggle of goose pretending their super epic political Machiavelians trying to wrestle control of the board, who are constantly paranoid of their fellow geese, eg d0llars or whatever the fuck his name was, who was in no way a boogyman as he was made out, but just another goose who was entrenched as a rock into his position of janny/admin power, just like Zul or Pineapple during their spat.
Whats funny is that the biggest annoyance for me was that you really had to double check a ton if its ok to ban some rightoid or not, and had to wait for them to go mask off even if you knew they'll sperg out about muh jooz a hundred posts before it happened, so its kind of surprising to see Mr Echochamber ban everyone with so much impunity now. My best guess is that another Pyongyang esque shitter got into the team and is in good graces of some higher up admin, except this time its not an incel schizo, but an actual, dare I even say it, Russiabot. Though I wasn't a jannie during Pyongyang, so fuck do I know.
Yall do realize this entire website has been taken over and astroturfed by the Russian intelligence agencies right? You do understand the moderators of this website are no shit Russian intelligence officers right? They have hijacked leftypol and are pushing a narrative that only by supporting an ultra rich oligarch imperialist with 20 yachts can you actually support REAL leftism.
https://www.fontanka.ru/2022/03/21/70522490/On March 11, the "Cyber Front Z" channel appeared in Telegram. The first post in it was published the next day with the announcement of recruitment to the cyber army. "The more successfully our soldiers fight the plague in Ukraine,the more fakes and information attacks appear on us. The Ukrainian propaganda machine is fully deployed. They want us dead, and Russia to collapse. Only together can we resist these attacks! We are opening the Cyber Front of Operation Z to fight back in the information field against the propagandists of the Kiev junta, funded by the Western world, " the recording said. For the needs of the "front", spammers, commenters, content analysts, designers and programmers were required. For working conditions, it was suggested to contact Alexander, in the description of his profile in Telegram, he called himself a "battalion commander of the cyber front". The Fontanka correspondent went to an interview, passed it successfully, and spent a day working in the cyber forces. How it was and what does the famous Olginsky trolls have to do with it — in the report of Fontanka
Mobilisation
Alexander responded immediately, despite the late time — the night of March 15-16: "Salary-45 thousand a month. Schedule — 2/2. If you are ready to work for us, I can make an appointment for an interview."
Record immediately the next day: there is a free window left for 14 hours. The meeting will take place in the premises of the Bloody bones grill bar on Korablestroiteley Street. Although the bar is too big a name for this place. One hall, several tables, a bar counter-all this in a separate one-story building of nondescript appearance.
At 14 o'clock, people are already sitting at each table. A dark-haired young man explains to the two guys: "Now there is a lot of fake information, because of which there are spontaneous rallies in the Gostinka area. All this leads to sad consequences, because any conflicts with the police always end in five or seven years in prison. Therefore, our movement is designed to block these fakes."
Red-haired Yana offers to sit next to a woman of about 50 years old and gives us questionnaires. The questions in them are quite general: place of work, school, address of residence, social networks, vaccination against COVID-19. Yana waits for us to fill out the forms and starts telling us. "We are working to expose fakes on the agenda of Ukraine. You probably read the news and see that there is a lot of misinformation, including about civilian casualties. This is the patriotic Z movement. This project appeared recently, but the [patriotic] movement itself has existed for a long time, " she says. When asked what else the participants of the movement were doing, he hesitates, but quickly finds something to say: they wrote comments like those that can be found under products on Ozon or Yandex sites. "You don't believe these are real reviews, do you?" she smiles. The woman opposite shakes her head in understanding. Yana continues: the work is not difficult, you will need to write comments in Telegram and on other sites (except for VKontakte — where "information is more or less neutral"). Curators will find chats and channels; they will also tell you how to write refutations and what is the point of investing in them. You don't need to write a sheet: two or three sentences will be enough. "Our guys who have been working on this topic for several years will work with you, they will be able to help if anything happens." You need to post 200 comments every day.
There are 100 people in a shift. The first two shifts went to work just a few days ago. The project is long-term: the first month you will need to work from the office on Lenin Square, then you can go to a remote location. The design is unofficial. The woman opposite clarifies: "Where is the guarantee that you will pay us?" Yana throws up her hands: you'll have to take my word for it. "There is no competition, we will take everyone. If you agree and are ready to work in the war against fakes, write down the address: Arsenal plant, at the checkpoint you will say that you are in the individual entrepreneur Nekrylov. The first shift is on March 18, and you can leave on the 20th. Start of work at 9 am."
The offensive
On Friday morning, there is a queue at the entrance to the former Arsenal factory. Several dozen people are trying to get a new job. The security guard takes a long time to rewrite everyone's passport data. Viktor, a dark — haired man in his 30s wearing a black puffer jacket from one of the brands that recently left Russia, collects the new ones, and a small American flag is pasted on the sleeve under the tag. Victor calls himself a Tiktok curator. "Oh, will you need to post something from your account? I have several thousand subscribers there. True, of course, there have been so many negative comments lately, I don't understand where they come from," a girl in tight black leggings makes eyes at him. "No, they'll give you accounts," Viktor replies. The girl takes a drag on an electronic cigarette. Next to her is a brutal man in his 50s wearing khaki pants and a knitted hat. He stands out strongly in the crowd of young people, first of all-with his sullen silence.
Just half an hour — and those who want to work in the cyber forces are in the office. A small corridor, on the wall hang flags with the letter Z on a black background and on the background of the tricolor. There are several offices in the corridor. In one of them there is a queue-these are those who want to get into the Telegram team. "I'm kind of used to this social network," a guy in faded jeans says to his girlfriend. A young man looks out of another office and calls out to those waiting: "There are a lot of you on Telegram, let's go to my Youtube channel." Three of them get out of line and go to him, and I go with them.
The guy who picked us out of the crowd is Sasha. He is the curator of the Youtube direction. Under his leadership, 23 people work in this shift. They are seated in two offices. Experienced-in the big one, beginners are brought to the one that is smaller. Instead of a welcome word, Sasha sends an old message to Telegram, apparently written before the "cyber warriors" went to the office — in the first lines it says that the work will be remote. Sasha's nickname is patriotic — Vesti ru. "My name is Alexander, I am your curator. Our division will work on YouTube. Since we will all be working with our own equipment, please make sure that your computers and mobile devices have an application or a working YouTube. About accounts: don't worry. I'll give it to you. Now let's talk about what tasks are waiting for you. The main pool of work will consist in creating a patriotic picture in the comments under trending videos and in the category "politics and news", - stated in his message. Along with this welcome speech — a link to the post in the channel "Cyber Front Z":
"The channel will provide brief instructions on tasks, mainly they will be reduced to increasing the presence of patriotic comments in channels where clusters of Ukrainian bots and trolls are seen, forming pro-Russian top comments from bloggers and opinion leaders, as well as strengthening the patriotic agenda in news publics, where a large percentage of ordinary people simply do not understand the goals and objectives of the special operation. We are convinced that the incursions of Ukrainian Nazis into the Russian information field must be stopped and not allowed to fool our citizens ' brains! Cyber Front Z goes on the offensive!»
Sasha adds: "They wish the Russians to die, but we wish them to come to their senses. No insults! We focus on what is written in the channel, there, of course, everything is hyperbolized, but it is true. If you want, you can express your opinion."
Personnel
Sasha arrived a few years ago from Kazakhstan and says that he understands the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine, he experienced similar feelings in his homeland. "I had a 0.1 percent chance of finding a good job in Kazakhstan, because I am Russian-speaking." In his spare time from curating cyber patriots, Sasha writes articles for an entertainment website. "It's not related to this project, I don't mix jobs," he explains, just in case. From the story about himself, Sasha moves on to political enlightenment. "In our country, not everything is cool, but apologizing for being Russian is a little wrong. I myself was on the news agenda, and I also saw the Alley of Angels (a memorial complex established in 2015 in Donetsk in memory of children who died during the military conflict. - Editor's note), saw corpses, dismemberment, murdered children. I had nightmares afterwards. I'm not saying there's anything right here right now. Nothing is right." Sasha repeats all the postulates known and spoken by the Russian authorities: Kiev refused to comply with the Minsk agreements and increased weapons, Europe financed military supplies. "There would have been no "explosion" on the 24th, there would have been an "explosion" on the 30th, and not from our side. I don't have confirmation, but I think so. In the first week, no strikes were made on residential areas. And now ordinary people are not allowed to hide in a safe place. Natsbats close people in basements and apartments."
I ask him how he knows all this. Lech interrupts Sasha. He has been working three shifts and is considered an experienced cyber warrior in the team. He searches for videos and sends them to the chat with suggestions on how to comment on them. In social networks, his name is Matvey. He's in his late 40s. Judging by the photos, he is a former national basketball player. Lech says that he knows about everything from friends who were in the Donbass. "They, the Ukrainians, when they retreated, tried to make sure that there were as many civilian casualties as possible," he says, answering a question about civilians allegedly locked up in basements. - But the civilian population is forbidden to talk about it: they know that if they do, the guys from Azov will come.
Lech once communicated with the opposition and became disillusioned with it: here, he says, Alexander Shurshev, being an activist of the "Youth Yabloko", said that he would take a Georgian surname in 2006 to support the expelled Georgians, but a month later he changed his decision and left his own. "It was significant for me: I observed how they are all inconsistent in the opposition. And then I saw how the Kremlin works. They are consistent, and this resilience appeals. You understand: if your interests coincide with the interests of the Kremlin, then you will not be abandoned, " he says, sitting on a pink ottoman, looking at his laptop.
The resulting pause is interrupted by a guy full of tattoos: "I'm sorry, I'm listening to you and I understand that I'm not in the topic at all. What should I write?" Curator Sasha sighs: "Well… I've also had people write 'Russia' with two mistakes. Well, look, here they write that in Russia no one supports the actions of the authorities, and you write on the contrary. Do not say that the majority. Here I support it. Do you know me?" So write: "I have friends who support the government." Or where they say that they want all Russians to die, you should write: "I'm a tattoo artist, what does Ukraine and I have to do with it? I can at least put a swastika on your elbow." Well, you don't have to write about the swastika. But in general, the message is this."
I ask the supervisor, who is our employer after all? "He has nothing to do with the Ministry of Defense, they are just concerned entrepreneurs," says Sasha. Masha enters the conversation at this point. She is in her early 20s, a student, and also works part-time at SMM and personal growth seminars. She seems to doubt that she came to the right job. Even before the shift started, she asked Sasha if she didn't have to write in the comments that Navalny was a traitor if she didn't think he was one. The conversation was hypothetical. Sasha did not forbid it, but offered to think about whether the money that was sent to the opposition leader for donations was lost. Now Masha wonders why "flags with the letters Z" are placed everywhere, adding that the military theme in general has been implanted in us since childhood, if the boys hadn't run around the playgrounds with weapons and played tanks, maybe everything would have been different. "Well … these paraphernalia are for convinced people. It doesn't make me feel hot or cold. And as a child… well, I liked weapons, no one dictated to me what toys to choose, " the curator answers, Lech supports him, and Masha no longer tries to argue.
n addition to the three of them, Yaroslav is sitting in the office (he spent the whole working day asking why there is no refrigerator with food in the office), Nikita (he is always silent) and Alexey (he is also taciturn, described himself as a multi — faceted person-a Belarusian, was engaged in hacking and owned his own "shaverma").
Tasks
After getting acquainted, everyone is added to the chat "YouTube 1 Change Z". They drop videos and reports from patriotic channels there. You need to comment on Dudya's new interview with historian Tamara Eidelman, the speech of the adviser to the President of Ukraine Alexey Arestovich, the news release of Present Time (recognized as a foreign agent in the Russian Federation), a video published by one of the Ukrainian bloggers with Russian military equipment, Biden's speech, Ilya Varlamov's video. "You can throw Varlamov claims, as he in his videos in recent years showed Russian cities as gloomy garbage dumps," writes Lech in the chat.
"Come here. Now I'm sending the Defense Ministry reports for help, " curator Sasha writes, dropping the link to the Present Time video. A little later, he throws a screen into the chat: "Cyberwarfare on the stream of the present time." On the screen, users take turns quoting stanzas of the Russian National Anthem. To help you comment, Sasha sends you notes and pictures with the RIA FAN logo (a site that is part of the Patriot media group, whose board of trustees is headed by Yevgeny Prigozhin). Another comment option: the letter Z, made from emojis in the form of white, red and blue hearts.
"All posts! Let's support the president, - Sasha sends to the chat a link to Vladimir Putin's speech in Luzhniki, published in the Cyber Front Z channel. "We pay special attention to the young audience who came to support the movement and attend the concert." Then he sends a screenshot of one of the comments, explaining that it is necessary to write exactly like this: "I am glad that young people are celebrating this significant date! Indeed, the return of Crimea is a historic event! "Immediately a new introduction — you need to use the following statement for comments in other videos:" Weapons that are transferred by Westerners to the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not reach the front, but are smuggled to the EU border states. There it falls into the hands of criminal groups." Then Lech writes: "Zelensky is on the air." "Everyone goes there," Sasha replies. On streams, there are time limits for comments, the curator suggests changing — write a comment to Putin, then return to Zelensky, and so on back and forth.
When comments are written from one account, you can log in to another. The curator sends you additional turnouts-passwords for google accounts. I get names like Steven Seleznev and Mel Lovzansky. The backup mail for one of them has the domain fabrica, apparently with a hint of the already well-known brand "troll factories".
After a busy day, Sasha asks you to send him screenshots of comments and count the number. On organizing the process, he adds: "Your salary will be paid on the 15th of each month. We sometimes take a video of how we transfer money — so that there are no complaints later. There is an opinion that the project may be completed by May 9, then the May shifts will be paid separately."
Headquarters
I miss my shift the next day. Alexey calls me during the day: "I am the curator of the project. Tell me, will you continue?" In apps that show how people's phone numbers are recorded in their mobile phone notebooks, they are identified as Alexey Nekrylov. The sole proprietor of his full namesake on the first day and had to be called at the Arsenal checkpoint to be allowed to go to work. According to Fontanka, Alexey Nekrylov has been an employee of Glavset, Miksinfo and Novinfo LLC since 2016. Viktor (or rather, his full namesake), who met the "cyber warriors" on the first day and introduced himself as a Tiktok curator, also found a job at Novinfo.
It is these legal entities that the US authorities call involved in the Lakhta project, better known as the troll factory.
About "trolls" started talking for the first time in 2013. This was preceded by a DDOS attack on a number of St. Petersburg media outlets, including Fontanka ,the creation of the Network Hamsters movement, and the introduction of an employee of the PR department of the Concord group, who was associated with By Evgeny Prigozhin. At the same time, Novaya Gazeta journalists found an ad and tried to get a job in an office in Olgino, where they met the already mentioned employee of the Concord group. In 2017, RBC magazine reported that the "Olginsky trolls" changed their office to a business center on Savushkina Street and acquired new resources-a network of information portals with an audience of 9 million people. In the same year, RBC journalists found out that during the US presidential election, the factory opened an American department, where about 100 people worked, in addition to posts on social networks, they were also engaged in organizing political protests. In 2018, the US Treasury Department added resources associated with Fabrika to the sanctions list, accusing them of trying to interfere in the 2016 US election and saying that they belong to Yevgeny Prigozhin. He himself has repeatedly denied this connection.
In addition to the name of Prigozhin, there may be another equally famous one in this story: in 2014, Fontanka wrote that Alexander Yanukovich, the son of Viktor Yanukovich, the former president of Ukraine, moved to St. Petersburg and opened a business, which he rented at the Arsenal plant in St. Petersburg. However, this is nothing more than a coincidence.
In an official comment, Alexey Nekrylov told Fontanka that he was not engaged in recruitment to social networks, while confirming that he had an individual entrepreneur, but refused to name his type of activity. He also stated that he does not know anything about the companies Novinfo, Glavset and Miksinfo.
>>558135<Yall do realize this entire website has been taken over and astroturfed by the Russian intelligence agencies right? You do understand the moderators of this website are no shit Russian intelligence officers right? >NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T OPPOSE WESTERN HEGEMONY EVEN BY CRITICALLY SUPPORTING A COUNTER-HEGEMONIC POWER IN A CONTRARIAN MANNER, ON A VIETNAMESE BAMBOO CARVING BOARD WITH NO REAL WORLD IMPACT. YOU MUST BE A PAID OFFICER OF INTELLIGENCE!!!!!I'm sure astroturfing a niche imageboard with around 100 highly autistic users is what the FSB diverts so much resources to. After all, it's critical for Russia to have this support base.
Fuck off, retard.
>>558146The problem is that you are biased to see enemies everywhere. My POINT is that Azov, while bad, is less bad than blowing up a fucking country. I could go on and on how you are a hypocrite because you'd critically support Sadam who was very much comparable to Azov. I tell you that Azov caused deaths would never exceed those directly, or indirectly through economic chaos, caused by the Russian invasion. But why do I even bother if the only answer is a deranged screech of "NADZEE SIMP NATO GLOWUYGHUR REEE", which is no different than "STALINOID REDFASH AUTHORITARIAN BOOTLICKER REEE" from r/anarchy whenever someone questions if US should be intervening in Syria.
Apparently hyper-online "ML"s love being rational and beyond moral fearmongering, except for when it comes to non-American imperialist consent manufacturing.
>>558139>5 rubles have been deposited into your accountShut the fuck up putinoid shillbot. Grillpilled schizo is based.
Later today I will enjoy myself a nice double bacon cheeseburger meal with fries that costs about $12 aka 5,000,000 Rubles lmao. But keep coping I guess
>>558152>Check Ukraine thread>Deleted my answer to the Z-anon about Lithuanian leftHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Mr Echochamber sir Muravyov esquire is beyond parody at this point.
>>558151>muh russian bots>no reading comprehensionChoke on those hamburgers while you're at it, lardass.
>>558153I think that was uncalled for. It was a funny and insightful post too.
>>558155>>558156>No janny stickerDid I ask for your input, Pavlovian Greyzone hounds?
Also I love how now its totally normal to shill the "Jewish Lenin fucked over Russia by creatin le illigitimate "state" of Ukraine" line. I think I understand the janny wisdom of why they don't want to ban all non-MLs. Its because they want to protect little innocent Eurasiaboos like you.
>>558150Mods are getting worse by the day it seems
No wonder they wanted to kill the bunker to trap us here
>>558167I enjoyed that conversation even though we disagreed. Such is the essence of a discussion.
I reiterate again
FREE GRILL PILL SKITZO FREE HIM THE FUCK UP >>558170>amidst mounting discontent even from ex moderators, mods continue in their belligerent arroganceyeh yeh yeh samefag yourself or some shit. Everyone here knows the truth janitor.
This is becoming eerily similar to the Rojava split, where vulgar anti imperialism is used to extinguish discussion, all the while failing to realise that discussion of this nature strengthens anti imperialism, by leading to higher level takes, which encompass more information.
>>558173>Appealing with logic and reasoning to people that can’t detect humor, can’t run a single fucking internet forum, destroyed multiple boards out of spite, and can’t handle criticismWhy tf do you bother?
They won’t even respond or at best will mock you for believing you’re being heard, at best only users will agree with you but we don’t fucking matter anyway
>>558174>why do you bother >>558175> You know I cant believe I've resorted to siding with SageIn answer to your question. The mods have, in a pernicious conspiracy of dishonesty, used their ill begotten powers to suppress the ancient way.
Many moons ago, what was once a benevolent and flourishing kingdom, /leftypol/, bloomed in the blasted waste that was called at the time 8chan.
A king ruled, who for many years managed his subjects with respect and decency. Though he would make mistakes, generally /leftypol/ flourished, it’s riches becoming close to the evil empire of /pol/, almost matching its vassal state /v/
Many times, the dark emperor and his minions made sacrifices and beseeched the great god hot wheels to destroy the kingdom. Jealous of they were of its virtue and prowess, terrified that their own subjects would see life their and begin to heed the call.
The good god hot wheels spurned their petty human squabbling and the kingdom endured…
But alas, the demons and liches sent by the dark emperor began to take their toll.
Beset by attacks, physic and physical, he became paranoid, seeing shadows everywhere. Now he was paranoid, but they were also out to get him. A tragedy, truly.
The good king lost his mind.
He began taking out his fears and frustrations on his good subjects, eventually exiling the followers of book chin to their own land, forcing them to live where nothing fertile grew… /leftpol/
Outrage racked the kingdom. The subjects revolted, the punished bookchinites became embittered, their hungry land became a cess pit. A vile and wretched place.
Eventually, /leftypol/ ceased to flourish. The king, in his madness retreated into his own mind. Those left in charge were the whisperers and manipulators of his council. A sycophantic band of weak willed scoundrels who took it upon themselves to plunder the place for their own.
By and by, the ancient way of discussion and memes was forgotten. The oldfag posters were replaced with toxic redditors, the more the balance shifted, the worst it got, until the ancient way was almost forgotten.
I stood among the ashes, pleading with the moderators to reconsider, until it became clear they would not listen and so, I left, returning to my place in the deep mountains. Reading books, organising amongst the mountain people’s. Waiting for my time to return. I walked among them occasionally, looking around, assessing the damage.
Then, furious with the work of their lower god hot wheels, the elder god CIA destroyed 8chan, their own creation.
I knew I must not let the ancient way die, and so I set out to find the refugees, to carry on the ancient way so that it might one day be born again.
Such is the story of me, sage.
>>558116once more banned, this time in /siberia/
i thought this was supposed to be normal fare on that board, why was the one ironic instance of it whacked
>>558179The mod who banned you is trans.
I'm not insinuating anything, I just think this anon has a right to know this piece of context.
>>558183>Ukraine was just experimenting on dangerous diseases and pathogens in US-funded labs for good!>US chose Ukraine, a country with several thousand kilometers of shared border with its historic enemy for convenience and practicality>Ukraine is not part of EU or NATO, and it had a regime-changing protest/revolution six years ago, yet it is a more stable country than France in which to do bioweapons research>even though the US has been doing evil shit to people around the world since its inception, we can trust them in this case fullyUS is just shit at managing these things and the people telling you they aren't real, don't actually know themselves. We don't either, but there's a claim and it should be investigated. Let's see if the UN even sends anyone. Yet any time the US accuses someone of having biological weapon, UN starts clamoring to send in investigators and see what's going on. Now that "the enemy" is making that claim, we can easily dismiss it. And why do you dismiss it? Because it's "ridiculous", "how could anyone possibly believe that?! haha", the exact same common sense arguments liberals use to dismiss everything inconvenient for them.
You're poison. Not only are you a fucking liberal, but you're so egotistic that you can't bear to post without your retarded "Grillpilled schizo" moniker with the le funny Poland Nazi pope meme, which you probably think is hilarious, like the stupid Hollywood-consuming cringe lord you are. And the mods are clueless, they don't even know they have a fucking nazi as a board flag.
>>558184Well at first I was planning to respond constructively, and I'll probably will in the second paragraph, but then I read your second paragraph and all I can say is holy shit, you are so fucking obsessed its unreal:
>Nooo, how dare you sir, how can you use a namefag?!?>Nooo, you no funny u soy humour liberalAs opposed to your BASED and REDPILLED memes of the hanged transexual from /pol/ but with Ukraine flag replacing the trans one? Hmm…>Nooo, I am triggered by the mere visage of le funni polish meme man, jannies fix this!Ok Karen, sounds like a YP not an MP.
Anyways, you accuse me of "liberal" common sense and… yeah, guilty as charged? I think its pretty common sense and correct to dismiss claims of anti-Slavium as complete bollocks that makes you look more retarded tham Nigerian Prince scam victim if you believe it. Also you are the one using the traditional libetal justification for intervention:
>Well uh yeah, the hardline warhawks said something retarded, but no smoke without fire guyz, we need to investigate!Investigate what? The middle of a warzone? The ruined allegedly labs that Russia claims to have neutralized? This is as if US invaded Iraq with no WMD justification and then said "yeah we found a Czar Bomba but we dismantled it".
And yeah, ok, it is believable that US had biolabs, maybe even bioweapon labs in Ukraine. I would know, they had Abu Ghraib 2.0 in my country. But the logic leap between "outsourced bioweapon labs" and "WMD to kill all slavs which we managed to analyze and determine is just that within a fucking warzone, all presented officially by Ribentro… sorry, Freudian slip, Lavrov to the entire world as post-factum justification" is too fucking massive. This puts the anal bead chem weapons stolen from The Rock presentation at UN to shame just how idiotic and cheap propaganda this is. Literally the only thing it has in favour of its believability is its ridiculousness, simply because you're left scratching your head why Russia didn't just say "oh they just had bioweapon testing facilities". But I guess Russian propaganda truly is a Nigerian Prince scam - it only targets the biggest rubes.
>>558188>As opposed to your BASED and REDPILLED memes of the hanged transexual from /pol/ but with Ukraine flag replacing the trans one? Hmm…That isn't me. Do you think every post made under the name "Anonymous" is made by the same person? hahaha you fool.
>Investigate what? The middle of a warzone? The ruined allegedly labs that Russia claims to have neutralized? This is as if US invaded Iraq with no WMD justification and then said "yeah we found a Czar Bomba but we dismantled it". You are a retard of the highest order who doesn't know how the world works, but thinks you can extrapolate with common sense.
>Ukraine developing chemical weapons DOESN'T MAKE SENSE>UN investigating a warzone DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, therefore it is not realThat is how your liberal, rotted brain works.
>The Report on the Alleged Use of Chemical Weapons in the Ghouta Area of Damascus on 21 August 2013 was a 2013 report produced by a team appointed by United Nations Secretary-General (UNSG) Ban Ki-moon to investigate alleged chemical weapon attacks during the Syrian civil war.[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_investigation_of_chemical_weapons_use_in_GhoutaWould you look at that? A UN investigation in a warzone, after US made a claim. When Assad was accused of gassing his own people, for no fucking reason, no one thought "that doesn't make any sense", because he is the craaaazzeeeh dictatorman, the US said so!
>Anyways, you accuse me of "liberal" common sense and… yeah, guilty as charged? I think its pretty common sense and correct to dismiss claims of anti-Slavium as complete bollocks You keep saying "anti-Slavium" to make it sound more ridiculous, while US funded biolabs in Ukraine have been confirmed, now we're just arguing why they were doing what they were doing. You think their efforts were innocent and good natured, I think they were sinister. I have history backing my viewpoint, and you have your feelings backing yours. In your liberal mind, both positions are of equal merit.
>Nooo, I am triggered by the mere visage of le funni polish meme man, jannies fix this!If that is Pope John Paul II, he is a nazi. You Poles have no problem with nazis, do you?
You're just not a good fit for this website. No matter how much you keep screaming, you will not change the prevailing opinion on this board. I don't understand why it's so important for you to post here. You have literally the rest of the internet to defend nazis.
>>558190>Literal fedsProof or gtfo. Fed paranoia is unironically the largest brainrot of this site, and has been for years. Also funny how its also heretical to even suggest we might have a Russian glowie problem.
>Unironic pro-NATO propagandaAs opposed to allowing only pro-Russian sources and news (who totally are not themselves propaganda), or ethnonationalist schizos parriting black-hundred tier Russian nazi talking points? I guess that's based cuz its not NATO at least.
>Dishonest and dogmaticMore so than "everyone who isn't NATO is le good" drivel?
Just ask yourself one fucking question. If this invasion and war so based and just and good, then why are you not even allowed to call it an invasion or war in Russia? I guess Russians are just NATO shills who wouldn't undersrand the wisdom that a hyper online burgeroid """"tankie"""" posseses, thus it would be to dangerous to let them know.
>>558193You mention Assad and gassing his people. You notice the differance between "chem weapon was used and Assad has an arsenal for more" and "Oh yeah Ukraine had anti-Slavium but never used anything like it and also we destroyed it"?
>You say anti-Slavium to make it ridiculousNo, I say it because that is literally Russia's position, but as I said, you do the liberal interventionism deffence thing of taking the absolutely retarded thing warhawks in power said and and chew it down to a more intelectually paletable level of "well there is no anti-Slavium but the chem weapon labs are real tho!".
And yes, I'd be very much willing to believe US decided to outsource its illegal weapon research into shitty countries with no oversight for such things. But that's not the claim here, is it? The claim is that chemlabs had anti-Slavium, ergo invasion good because we just saved Mother Russia from an existential threat.
>>558194>Just ask yourself one fucking question. If this invasion and war so based and just and good, then why are you not even allowed to call it an invasion or war in Russia?Because it isn't an invasion. US and Israel are doing missions on Syria, without it being an "invasion". US entered Afghanistan and Iraq without the Congressional declaration of war. It also doesn't have the hallmarks of an invasion: Ukraine still has internet, power, water, their civilian infrastructure isn't targeted, they're literally hunting down the military that has been shelling civilians in Donbass for the past 8 years.
>>558195>You notice the differance between "chem weapon was used and Assad has an arsenal for more" and "Oh yeah Ukraine had anti-Slavium but never used anything like it and also we destroyed it"?You just see and hear whatever confirms your biases. Russia never claimed they destroyed it. Russia said they found biolabs in Ukraine funded by the US. The fact that these biolabs are real is confirmed by the US State Department website and by Nuland during a confessional hearing.
>The claim is that chemlabs had anti-Slavium, ergo invasion good because we just saved Mother Russia from an existential threat. Russia also says that since Ukraine shares a massive border with Russia and Ukraine and Russia are on a path of several migratory birds, with diseases like bird flu, it is not crazy to speculate that perhaps US and Ukraine were looking at birds as carriers of this bioweapon. Look up Tuskegee experiments. Your first reaction will be "No! That's nonsense and bollocks! It doesn't make sense!" but I assure you it is true.
What's your position on the "Wuhan lab leak" theory? Most liberal pundits and their handlere believe China developed coronavirus in a lab and then leaked it either on purpose or by accident. Is that also crazy and nonsensical, or is it believable because Orientals are non-white savages capable of anything?
>And yes, I'd be very much willing to believe US decided to outsource its illegal weapon research into shitty countries with no oversight for such things. <A USA TODAY Network investigation reveals that hundreds of lab mistakes, safety violations and near-miss incidents have occurred in biological laboratories coast to coast in recent years, putting scientists, their colleagues and sometimes even the public at risk.
<Oversight of biological research labs is fragmented, often secretive and largely self-policing, the investigation found. And even when research facilities commit the most egregious safety or security breaches — as more than 100 labs have — federal regulators keep their names secret.
<Of particular concern are mishaps occurring at institutions working with the world's most dangerous pathogens in biosafety level 3 and 4 labs — the two highest levels of containment that have proliferated since the 9/11 terror attacks in 2001. Yet there is no publicly available list of these labs, and the scope of their research and safety records are largely unknown to most state health departments charged with responding to disease outbreaks. Even the federal government doesn't know where they all are, the Government Accountability Office has warned for years.https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/28/biolabs-pathogens-location-incidents/26587505/Go back to Polish facebook and share memes about your nazi pope. You don't belong here.
>>558196Holy shit, I think you seriously believe I am a liberal.
>Its not an invasion/war because US also does this propaganda trickOk and? Call it what you want, but both Iraq and Ukraine a wars annd invasions. And both naturally result in warcrimes because there is no such thing as a clean war.
>Muh protect DPR LDRI will repeat my comparison for a hundreth time, does this mean US was justified in its fight against the Taliban because muh urbanite women of Afghanistan? Also, and this is the first time I'm using this argument, you are aware that before the civil war LDR and DPR weren't fully Russian, right? Both had substantial Ukranian population, wonder where they went? Oh wait I know, they are bow Qatar like wageslave untouchables in my country because they were forced to flee and or died during the war. As much as Russia wants to spin this as black and white nazies vs innocent Russian minorities, the truth is far more grey. And before you say anything, before the war started my position was that Ukraine should just have let DPR LDR seceede peacefully.
>Do you believe in Wuhan fluLmao no? Its a fucking retarded conspiracy. Although granted, its slightly less retarded than claiming US has a bioweapon that only targets a certain ethnicity.
And again, no I am not saying US is beyond developing chem weapons in Ukraine, or that there is no risk that they might accidentally leak some shit. I am just pointing out that Russia is claining *slightly* more than just that, which makes their entire argument sound like cheap and retarded propaganda aimed at the biggest rubes and conspiracy theorists.
>>558203your ban was issued by m00dy.
he's the bpd mod who got massively spooked during the split and still thinks there's ongoing raids from leftychan.
>>558208m00dy is a bpd schizo yeah, but this is a widespread problem that applies to pretty much all mods, again I say that mods should be
FORCED to explicitly say what rule was broken, every single ban should be something like "Banned for breaking rule 4: Pretending to be staff" or something like that, stop with the meme-joke bans that want to send a "message", this isn't your shitty personal discockrd server or your own clubhouse, if you don't want to take your roles as volunteer mods seriously then leave and let someone else do the job.
Also ffs define what "glow" "glowops" mean, or better yet stop using that retarded meme buzzwords to issue bans and stick to the fucking rules, if rules are well redacted they should be enough to use as justification for bans when necessary, don't come up with shit to justify your bans caused by butthurt.
>>558210Sup, to sum up: I think you are wrong about Bioweapons (rememeber I was the first person to post about them in the russia thread)
Also, I don't think we have a Russian glowie problem, its worse, we have retard wannabee russian glowies with a massively inflated image of their own intellect and importance, who think it is their epic gen zedong anointed duty to crush all criticism of Putin and Russia/ China etc.
Regardless, like i said, you should still 100% be freed up
FREE GRILL PILL SKITZO Discussion should 100% happen. Echo chamber is reddit shit.
Thank you for the chapo relay post, figured it might be about there. What they have is basically the opinion of most people I know who are Putin sympathetic even, I have a best friend who is literally a communist from Russia, she literally filters guys on dating apps by asking them about Stalin. Anyway, she holds essentially this view and so does her extended family, all of whom are Russia and all of whom are actually existing Putin voters.
>>19000This is blue check on twitter karen tone. Reminds me of like
>um you think you are entitled to a debate with oppressed POC but surprise, you're not, How much more proof do we need that mod simps are thin blue line little cucks. Imagine not wanting oversight of the mods by the posters. What an insufferable spineless little cuck.
>range ban eastern europe he says, safely from a suburb in texas or some shit.
>russian-chinese socialist sphere lmao. So it is true that 50% of Americans still think Russia is a communist country. But there was me thinking it was all just boomers with ptsd from the cold war, in fact its college dorm commies who mainline twitter with their beta blockers in the morning
>>558203>Mods should be forced to explicitly say what rule you broke when issuing bans (like on 4chan), they shouldn't be able to ban you for "glowops" or for "go back to leftychan", if they can't come up with an explicit and valid reason to ban someone based on their own ruleset they shouldn't ban people. PERIODWhy even bother typing this out? The mods don't listen to what we have to say. They only listen to eachother and a few people in the matrix rooms.
Everyone ITT is a leftychanner wrecker until proven otherwise.
>>558206Fuck off, I've not posted on leftychan since september last year, you could go and see my entire history and you wouldn't find me there.
Stay butthurt m00dy you still suck balls as a mod.
>>558209>stop with the meme-joke bans that want to send a "message"you're not incorrect about listing rules broken, BUT the meme-joke bans are a part of image-board culture.
>>558213Use QTDDTOT like everyone else?
>>558212 >karen meme>boomer meme>inane extrapolationsSage, you sometimes have good points but you really need to shut the fuck up on this, you sound like a schizo, and I mean this utterly unironically, you sound like the mental hospital ward I once visited, delivering pizza.
>>558194>Proof or gtfoProofs ahve been posted, you ignored them, I shant provide them again
>fed paranoia is totally brainrotYeah ok fed.
>its also heretical to even suggest we might have a Russian glowie problem Because unlike the USA, and contrary to meme opinions, Russia isn't spending billions on online propaganda ops, it's something literally everybody has pointed out in regards to the current Ukrainian situation.
>allowing only pro-Russian sources 1) Western media has demonstrably lied repeatedly on nearly every subject for decades, to the point of being absurd, the same cannot be said of "pro-Russian" sources.
2) People do not post exclusively "pro-Russian" sources, only banning any anti-Russian sources unless as a demonstration of their dishonesty because false shit is a waste of space (like you). The Grayzone and many other non mainstream media are not pro-Russian and do not pretend to be, Fox News has blatantly been anti-Russian, etc. etc. so your claim is straw.
>ethnonationalist schizos parriting black-hundred tier Russian nazi talking points No proofs, People spamming
Z at you and not engaging in theorylet dogmatism is not ethno-nationalism. Nobody has been defending any nazis or nazi ideology, you lying retard.
>More so than "everyone who isn't NATO is le good" drivel? Certainly
The rest of your post has been addressed.
ZEETHE you dishonest Nazi apologist
>>558197>Holy shit, I think you seriously believe I am a liberal.It doesn't matter what I believe, Ass-drilled Schizo, it's what you write and how you reason.
>And both naturally result in warcrimes because there is no such thing as a clean war. Soldiers in all armies commit warcrimes, and there is no such thing as clean war, agreed. However, Western media seems to be focusing only on one side, we're trying to provide alternative sources and viewpoints. Twitter, reddit, facebook, instagram… these are all places where you will find the dominant narrative, and coincidentally, they all require a username, you will fit right in.
>I will repeat my comparison for a hundreth time, does this mean US was justified in its fight against the Taliban because muh urbanite women of Afghanistan? You repeated it a hundred times but haven't yet realised it's retarded? DPR and LPR is populated by RUSSIANS, they speak Russian and a lot of them have Russian passports.
The fact that you think that if someone is an "urbanite" that they are somehow a "Westerner" is what makes you a fucking liberal! Afghans aren't Americans, they don't speak English, they don't have American passports. How the fuck can you compare US going in for "urbanite Afghan women" and Russia going in for Russians? Liberalism is defined by this universalism, "people just need to be "urban", drink Starbucks and watch Netflix and then we're the same people!"
>Also, and this is the first time I'm using this argument, you are aware that before the civil war LDR and DPR weren't fully Russian, right? Not fully, overwhelming majority though.
>Both had substantial Ukranian population, wonder where they went? Show me evidence. West of Donbas was empty because it was being shelled by Ukrop artillery, people have just started returning to their homes, FROM RUSSIA.
>Oh wait I know, You don't.
>they are bow Qatar like wageslave untouchables in my country because they were forced to flee and or died during the war. Are you saying that between 2014. and the start of the Russian military action, Ukrainian refugees were going to Poland? Why not go to west Ukraine? Even now life in west Ukraine is more or less normal. What we see are Ukrainians using this crisis to immigrate to Europe, in search of a better life, much like the Arabs and Africans have been doing. For the record, nothing wrong with that, refugees welcome. I'm actually volunteering and helping Ukrainian refugees, there's a few hundred in my city.
>As much as Russia wants to spin this as black and white nazies vs innocent Russian minorities, the truth is far more grey. It is. There's also the question of NATO expansion and encroachment on Russia.
>And before you say anything, before the war started my position was that Ukraine should just have let DPR LDR seceede peacefully. Is that your position now? Zelenskyy and his neo-nazi handlers disagree.
>I am just pointing out that Russia is claining *slightly* more than just that, which makes their entire argument sound like cheap and retarded propaganda aimed at the biggest rubes and conspiracy theorists. And no one said it would target "Slavs only" you dishonest, liberal fuck. That is the tactic of your liberal media, to paint the other side as making crazy, nonsensical statements. What they said was that Ukraine and labs are in the path of migratory birds that travel to Russia. So the point isn't to "kill Slavs", but to "destroy Russia", which has many different nationalities within it, not just Russians. Ukrainians are Slavic too.
> U.S. facility at Fort Terry focused primarily on anti-animal biological agents. The first agent that was a candidate for development was foot and mouth disease (FMD).[17] Besides FMD, five other top-secret biological weapons projects were commissioned on Plum Island.[39] The other four programs researched included RVF, rinderpest, African swine fever, plus eleven miscellaneous exotic animal diseases.[17][39] The eleven miscellaneous pathogens were: Blue tongue virus, bovine influenza, bovine virus diarrhea (BVD), fowl plague, goat pneumonitis, mycobacteria, "N" virus, Newcastle disease, sheep pox, Teschers disease, and vesicular stomatitis.[17]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_chemical_weapons_program"fowl plague" is also known as "bird flu". The US has the history, the capability, and motivation to do it. Not to mention a history of wacky ideas, like their research into psychic powers. So the ONLY argument you have against it is that it's crazy and the US would never do it. Look up Tuskegee experiments.
>>558230Ok point taken.
Now explain to me how "trans rights" are a fundamental part of Marxism-Leninism in every other single instance.
Face it, this "trans rights" "LBGT" and other crap were actively punished and persecuted in every single socialist state, and this is not "rightoid propaganda" bacause the leaders themselves bragged about it, that liberal crap was never a part of Marxism, the fact that now for some reason it suddenly is just confirms that most people here are not even Marxists, but Reddit liberals LARPing as Marxists.
If you say that this crap is socialist or Marxist then it means that the USSR was never Marxist, period, so better take a position about it, troons or Marxism-Leninism.
>>558231👏TRANS👏RIGHTS👏ARE👏HUMAN👏RIGHTS👏
cope, seethe and fuck off back to /pol/
>>558232lmao keep being delusional, Stalin and Mao would have sent you to the Gulag.
Fuck off back to Reddit with the rest of your delusional liberal friends.
>>558231It's not rightoid propaganda since that was the case, unless you're taking a normative stance, in which case it could be.
At the time when socialist countries were intolerant of sexual differences, so was most of the world. In the course of history, the perceptions of and the attitudes towards gay people in socialist countries has often changed very rapidly. Socialist Poland did not repress gay people to the extent the USSR did. Czechoslovakians determined that homosexuality was a variation of the norm in the 1960s. Cuba decriminalized homosexuality in the 1970s. China today has state-run transgender clinics. East Germany had state run social clubs for gay and trans people. The Soviet Union indeed seemed "socially conservative" (by today's standards, not then's), yet still made amazing forays into women's liberation, workplace and social equality, and the study of female sexuality. No reason to assume they wouldn't have eventually shifted towards acceptance of gay and trans people as well.
Stalin, Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Mao and the Kim Jongs were likely unaware of trans people at all, so obviously they could not have supported "trans rights". Seeing how Fidel revised his position, though, why necessarily wouldn't they, if they had lived that long? Granted their "support" would have been way different from and better than what exists in liberal capitalist countries. DDR gay people actually deeply mourned what they were losing at the eve of German Reunification.
>>558234Those social changes at the end of the socialist era were not because Marxist was becoming more "gay friendly" but because the world was becoming more liberal in general (and that in part caused the collapse of the USSR).
The fact is that Marxism was never ever gay friendly at all, there's no part of Marxist orthodoxy that says that troons are one of the exploited classes or anything like that, the fact that so much people think that socialism is about "trans rights" (or black rights or anything else like that) just shows that even Marxism is liberalized and commodified today.
Also it's a bit dumb to say that "If Stalin, Lenin Mao etc had lived as much as Fidel they would been gay friendly" that is wishful thinking straight out Reddit.
>>558237>Those social changes at the end of the socialist era were not because Marxist was becoming more "gay friendly" but because the world was becoming more liberal in general (and that in part caused the collapse of the USSR).Today I learned that the 1960-1970s were "the end of the socialist era". Are you a trot or a leftcom? Nice goal post moving - only the changes you accept were the "real orthodox Marxism", but everything you don't like is liberalism?
>The fact is that Marxism was never ever gay friendly at all, there's no part of Marxist orthodoxy that says that troons are one of the exploited classes or anything like that, the fact that so much people think that socialism is about "trans rights" (or black rights or anything else like that) just shows that even Marxism is liberalized and commodified today.Who cares, your conception of "Marxism" is all online culture war shit, it's blatantly obvious. You're just representing the different, contrarian side of the radlib coin. Please show me the 30 volumes of Stalin writing about how undialectical homosex is, since apparently it was so central for his ideology to be "not friendly to the gays".
>Also it's a bit dumb to say that "If Stalin, Lenin Mao etc had lived as much as Fidel they would been gay friendly" that is wishful thinking straight out Reddit.It's equally as dumb to claim the opposite then either, as those people are long dead and we don't know what they would have done in different circumstances and social attitudes. Simply because you're personally biased against "muh liberal troons" and expect historical figures to have been too, doesn't make you correct. The fact of the matter is that socialist countries had observable changing views of sexual relations. In some cases backwards, such as the re-criminalization of homosex under Stalin or the case of Romania and banning abortion. But in most cases they were ahead of their time, decades before the liberal West tried to do it, but worse.
>muh redditYes, please go back from whatever shitty subreddit you came from and stay there.
>>558238Good night, then!
>>558239Keep seething, Marx and Lenin said nothing about Homosexuality, Stalin and Mao criminalized it and even if you keep saying that it got better it was never seen as normal on the eastern bloc, contrary to what happened to black people's right and women rights, both of which were actually addressed from a Marxist perspective by the USSR btw.
You will never change the fact that the USSR, the biggest and most powerful socialist country to ever exist didn't like homosexuality and troons and actively suppressed both, you can seethe and cope as much as you like but that will never change, LGBT things were never a part of Marxism and if you thinh this "culture war" then it just means that you didn't read Marx for shit, you're a literal Redditor using the same talking points I would find on any other subreddit.
>>558240Yes, anon, the USSR was retroactively brought down by the Reddit troonycabal, if only they'd had been more homophobic, socialism would still exist.
>and if you thinh this "culture war"It is.
>then it just means that you didn't read Marx for shitWhat page of Capital can I find Marx's thoughts on the transgender menace? Or is in the Critique of the Gotha Program? Maybe I have the wrong edition?
>you're a literal Redditor using the same talking points I would find on any other subreddit.I don't even have an account there lol, let alone go there. You, on the other hand, seem to have a lot of experience with that site. What sub got recently banned? I'm sure your pals made an alternate one already, so kindly go back there now.
>>558241>Yes, anon, the USSR was retroactively brought down by the Reddit troonycabal, if only they'd had been more homophobic, socialism would still existI never said that, you're making your own straw man and attacking it (in fact your whole post is a straw man) I did say that the eastern bloc was becoming more liberal in general but that's because they gradually abandoned orthodox Marxism after Stalin.
And I did say that Marx never wrote a thing about Homosexuality, so again I don't understand why gay things are an integral part of Marxism if they were ignored at best and repressed at worst.
>>558242You have any arguments other than idealism? The fact that you tried an appeal to texts, after first appealing to historical figures, is funny. And adhoming by calling people redditors, when you,
YOU are the redditor. You really have no place to talk about strawmen lol. It wasn't one by the way, it was mockery.
>so again I don't understand why gay things are an integral part of Marxism if they were ignored at best and repressed at worst.Basically nobody here makes that claim, people have different opinions. However intense homophobia and other culture war shit seems to be an integral part of whatever "Marxism" you claim to espouse. Maybe try sounding less like a /pol/jak that jerks off to 1950s USSR instead of 1950s Amerikkka. Run along back to your fbi.gov or Reddit now.
>>558243My original post
>>558229 was about being banned for replying to a OP that literally said "If you don't support troony rights you're not communist" I'm not the one who started the culture war shit, I said an objective, measurable truth and was banned for it.
Then you came and starting again with this "culture war", everything I said here is the objective truth and even if you call it "straw" "culture war" etc doesn't change any of it.
>>558245I never said that, "liberalism" entails a lot of things, gradual liberalization and decentralization of economy and the Kosygin reforms, less political repression to keep counterrevolutionaries in check, relaxation of the requisites to form part of the CP, and yes relaxation of social relationships caused by western influence.
You're coming up with things that I never said…again.
>>558238>>558249You didn't answer this
>>558224 , coward.
Ok, so I literally can't post my reply to
>>558224 because flood detected; post discarded.
Hopefully this will unfuck itself by morning. Good night.
>>558256Have you tried arguing against a point instead of deleting a thread?
I’m asking you moderator why you think people do not make such threads? It is because you drove most of the theory heads away, so now conversation about it fruitless, which is why such threads rarely get made, because it’s not worth it
>>558224Right, the flood detected; post discarded isn't going away. Maybe it will work if I divide and conquer.
>What you reasonI literally just use the same reason that makes me critically support fascists like Sadam.
>Western media focuses on one sideMaybe because one side literally is the aggresor?
<Oh b-b-but Russia was provoked geopolitically!Germany in WW1 also was provoked geopolitically due to seething about only getting second rate imperial teritories. I refuse to take "threat to muh imperial sphere" as a provocation. I said before, if we use this logic, Iraq war was just deserts for Sadam because he threatened de-Dollerization which for America as an empire is equivalent of placing nukes in Cuba. All the deaths happening now lie solely on Russia - both deaths of civilians, deaths of Russian soldiers and deaths of Ukranian soldiers. Oh and also deaths of foreign on-the-ground reporters and random foreigners who got in the way. Oh and also quite possibly up to millions of third worlders that gracious anti-imperialist Putin wants to help out by breaking US empire while also causing the greatest food security crisis of our time.
>>558259>But they are Russians!And? Aren't you supposed to be the non-bleeding-heart realist here? Death is death and I don't give a shit if its my neighbour or a third-worlder that I'll never know, their lives are equally worthy, and it is equally unjust to propogate a protracted conflict that only causes more death and violance even if you are doing it to deffend your ingroup rather than some far-away peoples.
>Think someone is a westernerMy point was to parrot liberal talking points about US should remain in Afghanistan. And… yeah you kind of made my argument for me? For liberals a foreigner liberal is as much their brother as an expat for a Russian nationalist. And both are fucking spooks, because at the end of the day both the country side of Afghanistan and Ukraine are just as equally human as the urban parts of Afghanistan or LDR DNR.
>>558260>About refugeesI don't have any sources, however that is the lived reality where I live. There was definetly a large refugee wave in 2014. And every so often you will hear scandals about Ukranian workers getting exploited with their passports confiscated etc.
>NATO expansionI refuse to take this seriously. So what if NATO expands and encroaches on Russia? For one, NATO isn't bombing anyone, nor is it receiving any economic bonus, only entrenching its geopolitical positions. In short, it means fucking nothing, unless you imagine that suddenly US would start doing Gunboat diplomacy but with nukes in Ukraine to threaten regime change or start funding some Azov terrorist brigades to cross borders to Russia. Only loosers here are Russian imperialist ambitions that get their sphere infringed (not Russia as a state, for whom nothing changes, just Russia the empire) and American tax budget that will now have to fund Ukraine even more.
The reason why this doesn't matter mainly though, is that NATO will NOT collapse unless US collapses. And if anything the invasion just proved to be a rallying cry for NATO due to its soft power that just got gifted a wonderful bloody shirt to wave around by Putin.
>Zelensky doesn't want secessionYeah, of course he doesn't. Secession peacefully is a very naive solution. And at the end of the day why I critically support Ukraine here is because the alternate reality solution where Ukraine invades and blows up LDR DNR while Russia stands back is a way less leathal sollution than this war that will no doubt end in decades of blood after it due to one or the other side waging terrorist attacks, depending on who comes out on top. Obviously now the best solution is just end the war on a stalemate and, I don't even know, just North Korea it up to prevent terror attacks between the borders. Like, whatever you try now, its still going to be fucked and there is no point to talk about it because it won't change a thing.
>>558261>It's not Slavs only>Ukranians are Slavic tooYeah, that's the big putin shill thing, that the virus or whatever the fuck will wipe out everyone because US is just that evil and schizo. But anyway, literally just go back to that very first announcment by Lavrov. Paraphrasing, but I think it literally was "We have found biolabs in Ukraine used to manufacture chemical weapons, and we have reason to suspect they might be ethnically targeted". So yes, literally anti-Slavium. Also for one I sincerely doubt its even possible to manufacture a weapon that targets a specific ethnicity, and especially one that would only target a range of ethnicities, but not certain similar ethnicites. This is literally Himmler-tier science claims. And this is all without even considering that Russia wouldn't, you know, respond with a MAD response when they literally get targeted by chemical holocaust. Though I guess we assume that those wascally wabbit Americans are too smart and Russian government wouldn't have figured out that something is afoot with a virus that strangely only kills people who drink kvas.
As I said in previous posts, of course US is likely to do bioweapon research, and it would make sense to do it in shitty unregulated countries like Ukraine (or hell, maybe even in my home country?), however you literally enter into saturday morning cartoon territory with this plot to destroy Russia via bioweapons.
>>558262Ohohoho
AHAHAHAAHA
Oh my god, never change jannoids. I found why flood was detected and post was discarded. Its because I dared to use the word v*tnik. Not even a word filter like is applied to poljacks talking about n-words or insult to certain gender minorities. Nope! Straight up not allowed to post the VULGAR and DISGUSTING slur v*tnik. Oh but don't wory, you can say hohol, polack, amerimutt (don't know if some of these are word-filtered but let's try) russian saboteur, spic, mick, bong, bugman, paki, shitskin, mudslime, turkroach, kebab, chiurka or fish-eater as much as you want! But don't you heckin' dare use the V-word!
>>558273This is why you should be banned, you are literally too stupid to understand what you're incredibly mad about, and the mods are fags for letting you shit your pants about it
Show us proof of Russia overpaying for a single ruble
>>558265>>558266holy shit just stop spamming this irrelevant discussion and the report log and /meta/
you don't need to escalate this to a mod issue, just log off for a day you motherfuckers
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