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Consider: We're the result of monke

I was high once and imagined living in a world with zero civilization. I was terrified, but I am a BITCH when high.

>>779767
You should use mushrooms.

>>779818
I will have a terrible trip no matter what I do. I wouldn't mind trying a microdose though.

>>779500
BIG saem

>>779814
Pretty

you should end it but not because you wont be that

>>779825
You're saying…
There's still a chance?

>>779741
Because of the anthropic bias, an LLM can talk like us therefore people start to think that it's sapient

>>779736
>If we take a materialist look at the state of affairs, animals are an increasingly irrelevant part of how the world functions.

I'm sorry but this is a staggeringly ignorant and myopic take, please don't abuse the word 'materialism' like that

Without animals we would all die pretty much instantly along with the rest of the biosphere of the planet. The moral weight of their existence is also much higher than that of humanity itself, arguably. At the very least it's a lot higher than fucking LLMs.

>>779743
The point of p-zombies is not that you should doubt the consciousness of the people around you, it's that since it's conceivable that someone or something could exhibit consciousness without actually having it, there needs to be an explanation for consciousness besides just the external appearance of it. There are still other good reasons to assume other people are conscious that aren't affected by the concept of p-zombies.
>>779745
Well of course, it's just funny that any pretense of this being a rational scientific argument goes out the window when you consider that it's entirely about the computer giving human vibes rather than the mental processes behind it.

>>779682
this dude is mad jelly that a schizo like jordan peterson could get so much clout so quickly, so he's schizomaxxing to try and replicate that success for himself. that's my theory, anyway.

>>779747
I don't know how you say "moral weight" so soon after "materialism". One of the important distinctions of dialectical materialism from other ways of seeing the world at the time was that whatever we consider moral is not that relevant to what actually happens.
Animals used to be a lot more relevant in human life. Almost everyone used to interact with animals, even royalty had their horses. By now the only animals most people in modernized areas interact with in a regular fashion are house pets. AI algorithms are, by contrast, an increasingly important part of human life and the trend started long before LLMs. They alone are completely wrecking the communicative sphere at the very least.

Xenophon Cyropaedia
>“When the interests of mankind are at stake, they will obey with joy the man whom they believe to be wiser than themselves… You may see how the sick man will beg the doctor to tell him what he ought to do, how a whole ship's company will listen to the pilot, how travellers will cling to one who knows the way better, as they believe, than they do themselves. 'You would have me understand', said Cyrus, 'that the best way to secure obedience is to be thought wiser than those we rule?' 'Yes', said Cambyses, 'that is my belief.'

>“None quicker, my lad, than this: wherever you wish to seem wise, be wise.”

>“Well, my son, it is plain that where learning is the road to wisdom, learn you must, as you learn your battalion-drill, but when it comes to matters which are not to be learnt by mortal men, nor foreseen by mortal minds, there you can only become wiser than others by communicating with the gods through the art of divination. But, always, whenever you know that a thing ought to be done, see that it is done, and done with care; for care, not carelessness, is the mark of the wise man.

From what I have seen and experienced, Xenophon's advice is very true, but people don't see the throne as a seat of wisdom.

There is also two forces that compel obedience: love and fear, rewards and punishments.

Hobbes and Machiavelli both say it is better to make use of fear than love, because fear is a strong emotion that compels people, not only fear of punishment or fear of disaster that would come if not for a ruler but also fear of an enemy or stranger.

When Xenophon talks about people doing whatever it takes to obey a doctor, because they think this doctor is wiser than themselves, I also think of Dr. Fauci when he said that he was the science.

I'd appeal to Hobbes that to really belong to a monarchy–there must be a state of awe.

Thomas Hobbes, I think, refers to it as a state of awe
<Non est potestas Super Terram quae Comparetur ei. Iob. 41 . 24" (There is no power on earth to be compared to him. Job 41 . 24)

<and therefore it is no wonder if there be somewhat else required (besides Covenant) to make their Agreement constant and lasting; which is a Common Power, to keep them in awe, and to direct their actions to the Common Benefit.

<Againe, men have no pleasure, (but on the contrary a great deale of griefe) in keeping company, where there is no power able to over-awe them all.

Totally in awe, that we don't constantly say this or that in objection with unrelenting friction–which would destroy any state–but accept it.

Now I agree with Hobbes–what emotion is going to bring men into flight, and make them feel compelled to indiscriminately unite no matter what differences in their beliefs?
<Fear
When the army is at the gates, people will give everything to ensure their safety to the commander to drive off the enemy.

Plato:
>If this fear had not possessed them, they would never had met the enemy or defended their temples and sepulchres and their country, and everything that was near and dear to them, as they did; but little by little they would have been all scattered and dispersed.

Xenophon Cyropaedia
>But none the less Cyrus was able so to penetrate the vast extent of the countries by the sheer terror of his personality that the inhabitants were prostate before him.

Thomas Hobbes
>That men who choose their Sovereign, do it for fear of one another, and not of him whom they institute: But in this case, they subject themselves, to him they are afraid of. In both cases they do it they do it for fear.

Hobbes says fear is the main unifying passion:
William of Orange is an example of Machiavellian/Hobbesian themes–fear of Louis XIV & Catholicism crowns him.
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You gotta sell your balls

>>779296
Prostitution and drugs

>>779296
big scam
scamming bank/investors is prolly the only way to get that much so fast. But pulling off that kinda scam is hard work man

Selling Roblox skins or making Roblox gamemodes. If you don’t know how to code or model then use AI.

if you dont care about being a decent person then buy drugs off tor and sell them on the street

Personally, I've been through all of that. For primarily aesthetic reasons give or take I would say the 80s, but at the same time I feel like it's about time we move into a dystopian future. It would be a dystopian future because we haven't fully realized a post-marxist society, that's not full flown communist tankie style soviet.

I'll try to explain the 90s to you. Basically, there's a difference between the recessions and the economic booms. The current economic model, and I guess it would be the result of capitalism, is designed so that booms and busts (recessions) are inherent to the economic system. It's cyclic basically, it's predictable and you can expect it for sure. It's a part of the system. I can't remember at all at the top of my head but I'll try my best I guess. During the industrial revolution era is also when capitalism became more widely spread.

There used to be this really old fashioned style and aesthetic. I don't remember right now where it all comes from originally, but you can look at parts of Europe. It was just popular for some reason. Due to the economic boom of the 1920s, it became more nuanced and celebrated in a way. Like there was fashion, culture and style in certain places during the 1920s for sure, fast forward to the 1930s, the style from the 1920s is still there in a sense, but it's changed quite differently. Well. I should say it was not just style like clothing but architecture even as well. It was just about everything to an extent. What happens with the 1930s, they basically start trying to change everything, they strip everything away, the lighten everything up, and they take away a lot of the feeling from the world and environments around us.

But what also happened is that there was also this way of living, mentality, belief systems and culture surrounding recessions, (even though capitalism was still new to an extent) but really it was also just basically poverty culture. Because being poor basically is what a recession is. If you are out in the cold, and poor, hungry, whatever. You are in some type of recession more or less, even if it's not like that for everyone around you.

But than flash forward to the 1950s and the style that was used for so long, (who knows how long it was really, like I said it dates back to the 18th century at least) is just forgotten about, and they change everything. It's an economic boom, and it's way different. It's hard to really say what was diffPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>779652
I need to time travel to 2050 China. This timeline sux.

I just came back because I wanted to elaborate more on the 90s.

What I said was kind of a simplification. I am quite well versed in pop-culture and art in general, and I even like architecture. It's really hard to establish a contingency when talking about this stuff though, I have found people will think all kinds of wild things and it's aggravating because I have managed to established some kind of credibility or factual knowledge. But I guess I'm not listened to very often in general for some reason. I think it is almost because I am too good or something, but than you can't be like Don Quixote, or you'll be considered "crazy" or laughable. But the 90s were unique in many ways, I've studied the style that was around in the 90s, and it was quite eclectic and varied, but when people talk about the 90s, they usually mean the early 90s I think. The rest of the period was kind of undefined and not as memorable.

But it still has roots in what I mentioned, it's basically neo-liberalism, the third world, and the 1930s culture. You really see how they've progressed it. Well, that's what I'm uncertain about. Neo-liberalism started in the 70s…so it's been around for a while. Well, I don't want to ruin the 90s, but that's basically what a lot of what was going on back then culturally and socially was about. It's hard if this was what the original counter culture movement really was meant to become.

But back to the 90s. I think the alternative and underground music scene in the early 90s was really, really good. That was great. I've followed the 90s a bit, and looking at it back than, trying to understand it through the eyes of the underground music scene, it seemed like it was really the start of a new era or something. Gen X was coming of age, and I thought it was interesting how they brought back hippie era sentiments from their youth, but with a tad more cynical and maybe bittersweet reverence. But that kind of served to become how the early music scene was defined and represented, but you see that's how the mainstream media wanted it to be more then anything. A lot of the more notable and influential acts were really trying to do something different. They had a different way of looking at things, acting and thinking. But it didn't last very long for some reason. Well, it just stayed underground I guess, but it wasn't burgeoning, it was a thriving scene after a certain point.

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But I'm not entirely sure…

I just think it was like the fucking 80s for me a bit though but I really liked the early music scene, the music was really good.
That's just what the difference is between mainstream artists and real and independent ones I guess. The 90s had really good rock music, but does their need to be really good rock music all the time? but the 80s had bands like this.

I guess I've just decided not to accept what it is with the third world, neo-liberalism, and the dirty 30s. I know it's what people want to think is liberalism or something but I just don't fully accept it. But I just don't accept a boom necessarily either. It's just god, how do we decide how resources allocated a bit? I just think, production isn't bad entirely, I have to be on the side of production a bit. I don't want to live in a grey, boring and bland monotone homogeneous world. I don't want to take the workers jobs away from them. I just think of really unique cars or something, well, we won't have any cool sports cars or anything in the future, we'll have just have boring bland grey and white big SUV monster cars that all look the same. If you like or want something with a bit of flair or personality, than you can't have that for sure.

I just think people should be allowed to go at their own pace a bit. That's why I almost think it's the third worlds fault a bit almost. But I don't know their must be some type of solution. I just don't agree with taking away or limiting freedom so drastically.

>>779754
That nipple is very suckable

>>779785
Wtf

>AIslop
all sloppers should be beheaded inshallah

>>779800
Slop is food

>>771266
This is gonna seem entirely unrelated, but you should watch the original Gundam.

Like the guy who wrote it tried to act like it was LE'DEEP about war, it wasn't… But it did unintentionally drop some massive black pills about neurotypicals and all those meta humans are obviously autists.
>Regardless of what you do or don't do, they will punish and despise you. Armoro be getting thrown punishments left and right despite saving lives, despite believing in the cause, despite being a child soldier who doesn't know any better and under a lot of stress and pressure
>but he didn't follow ordeeeerrrrssss slava Jewkraaaaaine
>stfu, this reactionary revolution sucks ass, and his stupid bitch girlfriend is always hen pecking and verbally/psychologically abusing him about something
>I'd have fragged the whole lot of them and every redditor would say that's siding with the space fascists instead of maybe, just maybe, i ain't no bitch boy to a systematic oppression that can never appreciate me and just pours on responsibilities i cannot physically uphold but than wants to act like it's in a position to punish me over. It isn't. Fuck them

Thats dialectics

>>771266
>Is charm just bullshit?
yes

Autistic people seething over social norms is kinda like picrel. Like just don't partake then? Wear a puzzle-piece t-shirt to signal people to not fuck with you.

>>773490
don't tell autistic people to watch gundam, that combination produces neo nazis with 100% success rate

>>778690
This is what my girlfriend saw when she finally convinced me to let her see my room at my parents' house except with like 20 empty vodka bottles (idk how she didn't dump me)