/siberia/ - Off-topic

saw this play out irl once all the way back in hs when our libbed up english teacher decided to have a class debate around minimum wage raises. Basically devolved into 3 or 4 suburbanite white boys with big houses and stable double income houses vs. the rest of the room attempting to explain how the world works outside there little bubble. As you said it just became of a cycle of them going from "just stop being a lazy poor" or scapegoating fast food workers of all people, like one of there arguments against wage increases was that someone messed up there order at McDonalds one time. As far as I can tell conservatives outside the US(like say islamists or gaullists) at least have some sort of conception of there being a society that you owe some responsibility and that in turn owes you some responsibilities but it seems like the current generation of american conservatism has taken the thatcherite "there is no society" shit to its logical extreme and believing the entire world revolves around there "freedom" to consume commodity and and live in willful ignorance of everything and everyone.

I think it's fascinating
They're dropping the 2010's "cool kid" conservatism that was an attempted avoidance of this type of stuff from the 00's. But it was always there anyway, remember the "ur poor cuz you buy avocado toast" Thiel-ian meme from the mid 2010's that every "cool" altrighter continued to spread?
Either way, no one likes hear a faggy nerd who grew up in Orange County telling them this. Like when Matt Walsh made a video shaming the idea of sick days and that you're lazy and weak for taking them, even every SS nazi pfp hated hearing that shit from a fucking podcaster.
This is not a winning argument
>so sometimes conservatives blame others by saying “It’s the fault of Trans people and Mexicans that you can’t afford groceries and that you aren’t being paid enough to pay rent.”
That's their fallback and it's unfortunately impressive. But it dwindles and dies when you have actual socialists telling you "is the trans immigrants the one controlling your rent and pay? or is it your landlord and boss", which is why socialists are kept out of the overton window
>And when people don’t buy it conservatives use violence against their opponents to get their way.
We're on this stage
Tons of top GOP officials are moving to live on military bases
I'm glad they're afraid but they're planning something

>>724019
I don't think your outline matches.

>>724019
Did you notice skull dude in the background?

>>724112
Nvm there are several of them its pointless trying to count, also an eye. Its a nice painting, the series is called koshmar / nightmare.

>>724019
If you want another cool painting to look at the details of check out Pollice Verso by Jean-Léon Gérôme

>>724021
> Its like a fucking toddler trying to figure out why things suck in modern society.


You mean adults trying to figure out why modern society sucks.
Because of midlife crisis and shit.

Wrong.
Racism was always “mainstream”

>>723999
>antisemitic conspiracy theories
Israel comitting genocide is not a conapiracy, or a theory, or anti-semitic.

>>724105
theyre obviously not talking about that, dipshit retard

>>724110
I won't let it slide regardless. Because now you are gonna have to be specific.

You want memes? Here are some memes

This was never a thing. The most wordy attempts at memes I've seen were right wing.

>>724082
Lefty memes were super wordy and there was a switch around 2018. As socialism become more mainstream the right become more esoteric and weird their memes became schizo screeds next to crying wojaks. Then after 2020 meme culture itself fell off, people don’t really give a shit about the hottest memes anymore. Now it’s trends and edits.

I don‘t give a shit. If I have to convince you with memes because you are too lazy to read and think critically then you are actually subhuman and should be worked to death in a coal mine.

When we were memeing you cancelled us

you know literally anyone can wear a mask and pretend to be an ICE agent right? you wont get in any kind of legal trouble either. theres reports of pedophiles doing that to kidnap children all over the US.

>>723936
>Why not infiltrate ICE?
I would prefer not to live in a 3rd world country so I can infiltrate their corrupt police with 2 week training.

>>723943
>he doesn't know all the cops are friend with each other regardless of race (except that one guy who snitched on john punching innocents,he's no longer allowed to the bowling parties)
they're "true" americans so it's cool and good

>>724023
eh

>>723997
if you care that much about an aestethic consequence that hypotetically will happen centuries after you've died,how can it not be spooked exactly ?

>>723658
> I'm gullible enough to start getting pulled back into it.
Only cure for mindless NPCs like you is a bullet through the skull.

>>723660
>but give me basic arguments of it
Vibes, feelings and pictures of white people as chads and other races as ugly incels.

>>723659
>>723982
Don't do this
>>723997
That is peak spooked
As if that's happening and because of some elders of zions, and as if it's inherently le bad for people to willingly fuck each other

>>723683
>its easy to tell the difference between an englishman, a frenchman and an italian, for example
heh

>>722499
>>722664
But Sleeping Beauty wakes up twice as much if it's tails, so has twice as many chances to exist in a world where it was tails. You are both just NPCs that don't even understand the concept of perspective.

I would feel really stupid if I swapped but the prize was behind my original choice, so I'd choose not to change my pick.

>>723932

the real answer

>>723932
>>723987
It's a maths problem not a personality test.

>>723989

math fans when the 70% tradeup is shit out of luck and they get a 2 cent skin instead

79 feels like an average age when i see all the geriatrics in the white house, its common by senile US leaders standarts

>>723877
That’s true, this dictatorship is more of a junta ran by his puppet masters

>>723878
>puppet masters
you make em sounds much more frightning or powerful that they actually are, like they be johan from monster levels of scheming and masterminding when most of them feel more out of touch and concerned with conspiracies and retarded aesthetics obsessions, US generals must shave this vaccines cause 5G butt virus that the trans ISIS killed kirk this epstein never existed that

>>723880
Most of them are retards with retarded aesthetic obsessions
but Peter Thiel buttfucks JD Vance every night and influences policies and he's absolutely making this shithole his bitch, along with the heritage foundation letting their stooges finally live out their dreams while trump slowly dies from his 5g hrt vaxxes

Trump is a finance imperialist from NYC (global oppression) who failed all his life but profited from bankruptcy because of neoliberal capitalism selecting for those real estate moguls.

Biden is a finance imperialist from Delaware (domestic oppression, turning students into indentured servitude slaves who can't declare bankruptcy due to lobbying) who failed all his life because he's a shitty resentful loser of a man

Both of them are rapist Zionists, Trump is probably more so because of his Roy Cohn grooming thing

Oh he stopped labelling stuff

>>723786
Mamdani won because instead of sending and army of canvasers and call center freaks to campaign for him he stood in the middle of the street and talked to random people directly, so that they got him directly rather than through the burger reich media

>>723791
the donkey is the symbol of the democratic party

>>723848
I do unironically do not understand if people who say "new 'toss idgi" are joking or not
the comic is just more typical "mamdani is gonna kill all the gays and burqa up all the women(things I as an religious conservative also want to do but whitely)" racism shit

>>723786
Cuomo thinking that Mamdani only won because he appealed to the tiktok zoomers for being online makes me rethinh if the DNC are really controlled opposition
Maybe they're just literally retarded

>>723887
>how are the old dynastic realms at all the same as the nation-states that emerged after the liberal wave of revolution?
They're not, because those old dynastic realms were indeed Catholic, but for Catholicism the Cathedral was a kind of Anti-Politics and the apocalyptic origins of the religion. The Cathedral represents New Jerusalem unto which Catholics escape to.
This is really a black sheep aspect of Christianity in general.
Nationalism is really just like any imagined community at its core. The Catholic attitude towards Nationalism is just the Catholic attitude towards Politics in general – it was the same even with the dynasties and their kingdoms, the ultra-clericals confidently chimed Church Sword > Political Sword.

There's a reason why there's a big divide between Christian /pol/ and neopagan /pol/ – the nationalists on /pol/ ultimately caught on to what Rousseau understood, that Christianity in particular separated Church and State, and that Christianity did not value their country the same way Antiquity did.

Compare and contrast these quotes by Cicero with

>“I am a Christian. He who answers thus has declared everything at once—his country, profession, family; the believer belongs to no city on earth but to the heavenly Jerusalem.”
- St. John Chrysostom

>"So that you may be the readier to defend the Constitution, know this: for all who have preserved their fatherland, furthered it, enriched it, there is in heaven a sure and allotted abode, where they may enjoy an immortality of happiness."
- Cicero

"For nothing happens in the world more pleasing to that supreme Deity, who governs all the universe, than those gatherings and unions of men allied by common laws, which are called states. From this place do their rulers and guardians set out, and to this place do they return."
- Cicero

"Exercise this soul in the noblest activities. Now the noblest are cares and exertions for our country's welfare."
- Cicero
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I think Rousseau's analysis is correct:
https://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/rousseau1762.pdf
Rousseau's criticism of Christianity
>You may ask: ‘Why were there no wars of religion in the pagan world, where each state had its own form of worship and its own gods?’

>My reply is that just because each state had its own form of worship as well as its own government, no state distinguished its gods from its laws. Political war was also theological war; the gods had, so to speak, provinces that were fixed by the boundaries of nations. The god of one people had no right over other peoples. The gods of the pagans were not jealous gods

>This was the situation when Jesus came to set up on earth a spiritual kingdom, which, by separating the theological from the political system, destroyed the unity of the state, and caused the internal divisions that never ceased to trouble Christian peoples. This new idea of a kingdom of 'the other world' could never have occurred to pagans, so they always regarded the Christians as really rebels.

>However, as there was always a prince and civil laws as well as a church, this double power created a conflict of jurisdiction that made it impossible for Christian states to be governed well; and men never managed to discover whether they were obliged to obey the master or the priest.

>Several peoples, however, even in Europe and its neighbourhood, have tried to preserve or estore the old system–tired and failed, because the spirit of Christianity has won every time. The sacred cult has always remained or again become independent of the sovereign and not essentially linked with the body of the state.

>Among us Europeans, the Kings of England have been made heads of the Church, and the Czars have done much the same.

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I agree, if you want to see how Catholicism and Nationalism had their relationship back then, just look at the Middle East in recent history and the conflict with Arab Nationalism and other "secularist" political ideologies, and the conflict between the nationalists there and the others.

The more Liberal Pahlavi monarchists bring up a good point when they show this quote, for instance.

>"We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for PAGANISM. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world."
-Khomeini

Khomeini has a good point too: Patriotism is another name for Paganism.
Rousseau was also on point that prior to Christianity – the State and Religion generally were together, and Politics was valued more – it wasn't the case that there was an apocalypse and an another City (and if there was the idea of a City, the New Jerusalem was -that- City to destroy and replace all Cities rather than be a model unto all cities, again, like Rousseau says, the jealousy).
Even Plato said for his philosopher kings they'd have to come down and establish the community good of their political body. And Aristotle
>But, if all communities aim at some good, the state or political community, which is the highest of all, and which embraces all the rest, aims at good in a greater degree than any other, and at the highest good.
Aristotle probably inspired those quotes by Cicero (& established political virtue that Statists would see).
I think the hatred for Politics is a uniquely Christian innovation because of its apocalyptic origin and Rousseau is spot on for why conservative Christians say Politics is trashy and dismiss what was once legitimate concerns of the past… Modernity has taken this and warped it maybe more strongly in favor of Politics in reaction to Ultra-Clericalism of Christianity, but that reaction in a way was warranted.

>>723894
>This new idea of a kingdom of 'the other world' could never have occurred to pagans
Zionists invented hummus, the thought of grinding sesame seeds into slop never occurred to Palestinians! No one knew, there was no growth of food consciousness in parallel with their political economic growth in consciousness! No one knew about tahini!

>>723362
>who gives a fuck what these slaveowning faggots thought
the Trot neocons at WSWS apparently define their entire personality around it:
<On April 19, 1775, 250 years ago today, the first battles of the American Revolution took place at Lexington and Concord in Massachusetts. The day of fighting, itself the outcome of a gathering revolutionary crisis, presaged the outcome of the war: the victory of the revolution over what was then the world’s greatest power, Great Britain, and the establishment of the world’s first major modern democratic republic.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/04/19/kyta-a19.html
<Related works:
<David North, Equality, the Rights of Man and the Birth of Socialism
<Gordon Wood, The Radicalism of the American Revolution
<Bernard Bailyn, The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution