thoughts on this statement by kyle? its clear that the majority of atheists dont leave their faith for scientific reasons, but moral reasons. the belief in a good higher than God appears to be the pathos made logos, and a new faith lives in this ideal, often expressed politically. this appears to be a platonic repudiation of monotheism, since the platonic monad is impersonal. God cannot also be the good, since if God decides what is good he is beyond it. thus, God must be subordinate to his own edict. plato writes about this in "euthyphro" and aquinas also writes about it, claiming that while God makes the law, his inherent goodness forces him to abide by it. the contradiction is setting conditions against the unconditional; can God create a stone he cannot lift? according to aquinas, yes. such as epicurus says, then he is not God… the atheist is merely a philosopher in birth (both socrates and christians were accused of being atheists in their persecution).
I ain't reading allat but imagine being such a retard you deny God but believed in objective morality LOL
>>729507there can be no morality if you believe in God; thats the point. if morality is "god's rules" then there is no virtue, only obedience (this is why hell is used as a threat).
Morality is objective, but only in the sense that it is determined socially and the socially determined morals are objective. They are not trans-historical or trans-societal, but it's not hard to evaluate the contingent objective morals of a given social system. They are, however, a product of underlying material forces and social relations and should not be taken as some more fundamental truth, but rather a component of the superstructure that exists in order to help maintain the base.
Kyle is not wrong that atheists tend to be more moral than christians by the standards of western society (and frankly probably most human societies on earth today), but this has more to do with atheists broadly adopting liberal social values that emerged out of liberalism due to not asserting any unique moral system for secular society. Meanwhile, in the face of broad cultural victory and in reaction to secularization and liberalization under capitalism, christianity grew not just stagnant but reactionary. In a sense, secular liberalism "stole" christian morality from christianity, leaving christianity to grasp at a christian's warped notions of pagan or old testament morality. The objective moral superiority of atheists is only insofar as they obey christian morality sublated and secularized through liberalism, making this in actuality a great defeat of atheism as a purported challenger to the status quo, but simultaneously a great defeat of christianity as it has been forced further backwards out of necessity to maintain relevance as distinct from the ideological foundations of secular society.
>morality is not subjective
That's it, he's going up against the wall for being an objective moralist chud.