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/ANIMETA/
General Thread discussing, analyzing and criticizing anime from the meta perspective of Capitalism, Media Culture (Industry) and Socio-Economics & Politics.
No shitflinging, drama, bad faith or baiting posts (e.g. "Trap is transphobic" or "Muh shounen trash" or "(all) Anime is misogynistic"). Keep it cool comrades.

Animation: Treatment of Animators Thread >>617
Leftist Anime Content: Communist Anime Thread >>1417 Communist Anime Girls Thread >>964 Miyazaki Thread >>469
Anime Hot Takes >>1993 so-bad-it's-good animu >>2551
Sources and Questions: Questions and Answers >>4229
E-celebs/Social Media: Ani-tube >>3128 V-tubers >>3388
Story Ideas: /WYOA/: write your own anime thread >>4263
Shounen complaint thread >>3200
Weeb-Otaku-/jp/ thread: /weaboo/ >>4715

Basic topics and questions:
>Is anime bad/stupid/boring or good/smart/interesting?
>Is anime inherently a reactionary/capitalist product or can it be a communist or pro-communist one?
>What Tropes and archetypes are good or bad?
>Will anime be produced under socialism? Could Japan have produced anime if it had become a Soviet State in the Cold War? How would anime look like or differ under socialism?
>Why are nearly all weebs and otaku right-wing or radlibs? Why are they so cringe and self-entitled?
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idk why people are so insistent that shows they like are "subversions" of a genre except that they're self-conscious about liking genre fiction, and are trying to intellectually justify liking it. it's in the same vein as Whedonesque "did i just shoot fireballs?" dialogue

>>21011
>Furries and Weebs uniting for the military industrial complex
Wait until you hear about the aeromorph conspiracy

>In 2022 the Japanese government produced an isekai anime movie to promote their territorial claim to the Southern Kuril Islands
>In it, a little girl gets hit by a car and wakes up in 1945, experiencing the Soviet invasion of the islands
>Russian soldiers get portrayed as violent thugs, robbing Japanese residents and in one scene the local girls get their hair cut short and dress like boys in hope of avoiding rape
>Literally TheLiberators.png
>The short is 24 minutes long and is part of many produced materials to promote Japanese territorial claims on the Russian islands
Japan can posture all it likes, but this is like Crimea except even stupider, they can't do jack shit without starting a war between the States and Russia, and it would immediately pull in China and North Korea due to proximity. Funny thing about this is the plot is like a politically driven shadman loli-rape comic. It's pure projection on part of Japan considering all the atrocities they committed during WWII. The part about girls dressing as boys to avoid rape was actually done by Filipino women during the Imperial occupation of the islands and not by Japanese people on the Kurils. More importantly, Japan explicitly renounced its claims over the Kuril Islands in the Treaty of San Francisco and that the modern dispute revolves around nearby islands Japan claims to not be part of the Kuril and thus exempt from the treaty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJdjY_Vsk0I

>>21900
Why must "doing something new" always be "subversive", Zambot 3 is as much in dialogue with Mazinger as Gundam, and Mazinger is as much in dialogue with Tetsujin, its almost like being self conscious about other genre fiction is a part of genre fiction

>>21902
Meant for >>21770

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>>21918
Akari likes toast, the tears are because she's late from the first day of school!

Why do weebs treat literal who VAs, sound designers, and whatever directors like they're literal superstar celebrities?

>>22402
this isnt remotely inherent to otaku culture lol

>>22402
Well the VAs are the closest thing to their waifu being real

>>22402
Because those who don't like Sumipe are mentally ill fascists.

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> Funny how adult otaku who grew up when Gyaru fashion was big have turned the whole aesthetic into a subgenre of girlfriend fantasy years after it fell out of vogue. It's like if YA writers who were teens during the Bush administration made all their female leads into mall goths.
https://nitter.net/LossThief/status/1749925291709915330#m

I like when assholes who earn money doing fucking "anime journalism" make dumb uninformed takes on twitter and get schooled by people who actually know their shit. This ANN shithead is conflating ganguro with all gyaru, thinks gyaru aren't a thing anymore, and thinks nerds don't have the overall fantasy of the popular girl being into their hobbies.

>>22944
>anime journalism
I would rather my child commit suicide

>>22944
How can you become an "anime journalist" when you don't know shit about Japan in the first place? I know the standards are incredibly low, but if someone were passionate about anime and Japan, they'd do their own research instead of spouting bullshit like this. It's not 2003 anymore.

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>>22944
To be fair Ganguro is a subset of Gyaru, but yeah this is a retarded take, I don't even know what the fuck this mall goth analogy was supposed to mean.
Also Gyaru thread >>639

>>22944
this person is on anime twitter and has somehow missed all the recent fanart and illustrations of anime girls as mall goths out there?

>>22948
Is that how transracials look like?

>>22954
literally just a tan and makeup

>>22958
This is what a race basically is THOUGH. Just a phenotype.

>>10489
>Media Culture (Industry)
The powerful animation-art generative capability of the current AI/ML tech potentially could ease greatly the burden of tedious work, that's been almost since the beginnings of "modern anime" chronic the issue, in the production of anime if implemented well, and open up the opportunity to create works to normal people who don't have the big funds from sponsors. Have there been any cases of use in the industry yet of such generative technologies at significant level in automation-work and workflows that people might know of? This doesn't seem to be much of the over-expectation from the what the current models are capable of, since the work on the key elements would still likely be done manually while the work that is repetitive would be done by the new, improved computer aided tools.

>>23059
>Have there been any cases of use in the industry yet of such generative technologies at significant level in automation-work and workflows that people might know of
Not yet, but AI animation work is developing rapidly, and computer programs today permit for a lot of semi-automatic animation for (relative) simplistic stuff like walk animations.

>>16809
Perhaps Filthy Frank did spit the truth about the problems of weeaboos.

>>16813
Needs a Dakimura edited under his arm

>>16809
I gotta say that screenshot made me laugh. In the 90s and early 2000s those kinds of race jokes (and vice versa for white people) were pretty common, and people didn't get offended over it because it was just casual humor. But I digress. But yeah fuck 90% of moeshit.

>>16809
that second image reminded me of the time MHA triggered a bunch of weaboos because one of their one of the black characters, now i'm laughing to myself.

>>16809
Lookism was always a thing. IMO moeshit is overblamed.

>>16809
>le moeshit
Implying that old anime wasn't pretty to look at is absolutely ridiculous to me.

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>>25359
I think the point is that moeshit took the "cute, kawaii!!!" aesthetic so far, that it became an almost universal style. Almost every anime today has the female characters have almost the same exact faces. Sure the 90s, 80s and 2000s had some similar aesthetics, but characters, series and OVAs still had distinct faces and designs, you could never confuse Bleach with Naruto or One Piece or Dragon Ball and vice versa. In Miyazaki's and Anno's works the characters have similar aesthetics and similar faces to an extent as part of their artistic stylization, but I wouldn't mix up Rei with Asuka or Misato or Nadia, despite similarities. Now people can edit 'moe' anime girls from different series into a single show and nobody would be able to tell the difference. It's not as problematic with male characters but still exists for them too.

TL;DR: Modern anime through the proliferation of the 'Moe' aesthetic has made many characters and anime series too samefaced.
Seriously as a random comparison. The girls in K-On, SAO, Konosuba, Love-Live and I've Been Killing Slimes for 300 Years all have similar-faced girls. Literally just swap clothes and hair colors.

>>25362
this is just because theres more anime today than back then

>>16760
>>20917
>>21011
>>21770
>>21772
Restoring files that I can

>>29846
I unironically believe in the aeromorph conspiracy. There are furries(or someother sub community of it) that are in the army and atttacted to the weapons systems that they operate on a sexual level. Sexualization of war and weaponry by warmongers and warhawks is a known fact that has even been researched, there is atleast 1 book written about it(I don’t remember the name though).

>>25362
What kills me is the combination you'll see in hentai/ecchi art where the model will have these super detailed figures with anatomical shading etc and then they'll have that flat d': face.

>>29846
Musui's Story is a great book

>>29917
Oh it's real alright. I remember back on 4/trash/ and /k/ there being at least a dozen anons who admitted to basically getting psyoped by it.

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Rest in Peace old man

>>29922
Why do these guys always type like retards?

>>29949
They literally post on /b/ and /trash/ on 4cuck, what are you expecting exactly? To be honest leftypol typing has gotten nearly as bad, if not worse

>>29949
it reads like it was written by penguinz0 or fan that wanted to mimic his speech

recently a lot of people been criticizing fujimoto for his abrupt ending of chainsaw man. things have really gone to shit w his drawings as well as well as the quality of his story. a lot of people, even casual story analysts, are blaming Fujimoto and thats part of the problem but its not even the main problem. Part 2 has been going down hill since the beginning and especially when Fujimoto changed to a weekly schedule. Most likely pressure from the manga industry and editors themselves pressuring Fujimoto and his team to pump out moar and moar content at an accelerated pace. There was a moment where it was picking up steam but Fujimoto kind of fumbled that too and the entire story has been a kind of uncomfortable daze that fits with rather suitable(unfortunately) with the massive levels of exploitation necessary to pump out such garbage at a fast rate. i remember i felt disgust when people were cheering online at Chainsaw man being published weekly.

>>20040
It’s not limited to Japan. It’s a thing in Western media as well

Why else are Mary Sues hated upon so much?


>>20039
Imo, the underdog MC is overdone but what’s even worse is when they make MCs into awkward hapless goofballs.

Does anyone else here tire of the sympathy or redemption arcs given to villians?

Seriously, bad guys spend five, six, seven, eight seasons slaughtering or gaslighting people, they’re even responsible for horrendous falling outs that happen with the protagonists. Some of the protagonists were direct victims of the villains.

Yet, the villians are somehow given a change of heart and are spared their lives and even still allowed freedom of range.

Meanwhile, lesser villains are killed off, antiheroes are held in contempt.

Cynical bitter protagonists are told to get over themselves.

>>17990
I’m sick and tired of people complaining about sexualisation in anime while salivating over western animated characters, making fanart of their favorite western female character

>>18122
This

>>18121
Also this.
Anglos even freak out about surreal humor being out in kids shows

Scattered musings:
Imageboards usually function very much like how the ideal liberal and capitalist society is supposed to do so. The basic premise is that of super atomized individuals who are not initially subject to any obligation or responsibility, and the default assumption is that any rule is an inherently unjust restriction of liberty. And liberty, as understood by most chan-cels, is thought of as the right to practice the most depraved of their desires, the license to play out the fantasies of decadent and corrupted aristocrats untempered by the considerations of overall sociality, which is assumed to be inherently nonexistent except under the explicit reign of the "open society" (total bourgeois supremacy).
Yet like liberal society the preeminent assumptions of the imageboard culture don't truly lead to some sort of utopia of liberated "individuals" but instead perverted, Epstein-world fascimile of real society. The positioning of libertarian ideology as the hegemonic only leads to the oppressive, anarchic caprice of both the moderation staff and the userbase, in war of all against all. The anonymity which was supposed to encourage people to speak freely gives way to the monolithization of "4chan culture" as unavoidably the folks try to form a sociality, yet since the lack of names and the lax enforcement of rules leaves the userbase without any real stake in the game the "culture" descends into nihilistic rebellion. The ubiquity of nihilism in these spaces naturally leads to the mindset of fascism, since if the only thing one can do is engage in vulgar rebellion, eventually nothing is sacred, and the "lesson" is that only brute force matters, since any imposition of regulation is assumed to be tyrannous. Thus the people who claim that places like 4chan were hijacked by Nazis are not really dialectical in their analysis of the situation. Is it really that surprising that many of these forums degrade into places stuffed with pornography and hate?
Such is as Engels said.

>>30434
I realized that a while ago but only fully understood it after this site went to shit a few years back. I only visit to check in on some shit of mild interest but I can do without and do so for months at a time. It's a casual hangout at best, with no serious discussion really worth the time anymore.

>>30434
Irony is, most chancels are faux libertines

They’re actually the most square, prudish sort of people
Their only depravity is in fantasy only
But nowadays even they are thought policing of fantasies

>>30434
>Imageboards usually function very much like how the ideal liberal and capitalist society is supposed to do so. The basic premise is that of super atomized individuals who are not initially subject to any obligation or responsibility, and the default assumption is that any rule is an inherently unjust restriction of liberty

You’re wrong

Ideal capitalist/liberal societies are all about responsibility and obligation. Just not practical types. And they’re all conditional and restrictive of personal liberties


What you’re describing is a libertarian society that may not be fully capitalist

>>10491
Culture of animation and similar is not always fascist although, Cam's comment about porn from fascism sort of applies to several sorts of anime, such as the super moe variety, which are borderline pornographic.
>counter-culture
Weeell to be fair most counter-culture is not really politically socialist in actual meaningful way. Really the whole schtick around these subcultures is that they are postmodern phenomena that responses to the failure of the old narrative, which is somewhat tragic when one considers how some Japanese ultra-leftists ꟙtarted producing manga after getting arrested over adventurism; they may have failed the revolution, but at least they could draw out the fantasy. To be fair to the Japanese nevertheless at the least they put their labor into consoomer culture instead of mostly into identity stuff as the Americans dove.
In the Western world you could also argue that the consoomer mindset is precisely that of people divorced from the actual production of the necessities in society.


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