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/AKM/ - Guns, weapons and the art of war.

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There’s a reason as to why they’re noticeably slower compared to other forms of transport and it’s because of water and pressure
Water is a polar molecule that uses hydrogen bonding to maintain form which means its boiling point is unsurprisingly high, this means it requires a FUCK TON of energy to move a submarine at conventional velocities, not to mention water pressure increases with depth on top of gravity means a submarine engine needs to produce the force required to overcome the boiling point of water on top of overcoming the gravitational pressure it experiences while being submerged, unsurprisingly this means most submarines are slow as shit and have to be transported with heavier machinery either airborn or at surface level
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>Muh km/h
I literally used that earlier you illiterate single-minded, moron. And Knots are used by all navies.
>Fucking cocksucking fucking faggot
Yeah, we know you are, and?
>the fastest speed a submarine has reached is 88km/h
And you cretin? You're literally proving the point.
>was built over 70
Again, you're making yourself look stupider, technology has advanced since then, making it EASIER for engineers to make submarines EXCEEDING that speed, you cretin.


>not to say these problems aren’t impossible to overcome it’s just that at current rates it’ll take decades
Because nobody is looking to do that, since it has no fucking advantage for submarines at the moment, a torpedo and missile are going to be faster, there is no point to making a submarine go blistering fast any more than already exists.


>Stealth is not nearly as much as a factor as you think it is
Yes it is, the Soviet submarines after the November class had comparable quietness to American ones through the decades. Those that detect the enemy first and remain undetected have the first-strike advantage. It' proven given that the Kilo class "black hole" are a major risk to the American navy including other submarines, and numerous tests using comparable DE boats have proven the viability of DE boats ambushing noisier, bigger targets like nuke boats.
>stealth only matters when your enemy is using passive sonar
Which is most of the time during military sub patrols, you don't reveal your position unless necessary, even in Cat/Mouse games. Obviously speed is also important but neither can be neglected anon.


No it's not, yes passive sonar is what is used 99% of the time but it's an incredibly complicated system that involves matching sound signatures and profiles with limited range, thermal variation, sound quality and and the screws of the ships with the sonar. The loudest Soviet sub was around 150 db, the loudest US sub was around 115 db. A humpback whale is 80 db. The Papa class was 125 db, Alfa 120, Oscar 115, Los Angeles 115, Viktor III 110, Akula 105 db. And yes you're right after the November Soviet subs did get a lot quieter but was never the main priority since positioning was the key above all else. They didn't want to get close to NATO battlegroups, they wanted to speed into range of a force, launch their payloads and get out. Even Soviet SSNs were designed specifically out position NATO SSNs, that meant running deeper, faster and a heavier payload. Stealth with passive sonar only matters if you're trying to sneak up and listen in on someone, but to the Soviets they didn't want to do that. NATO did, because they wanted to tail and follow Soviet subs. And like I said, the Soviets just flipped the table and outranshumanistATO weapons, they could approach full speed at an enemy and there wasn't jack shit they could do to them, they were essentially untouchable. In fact Soviet subs buzzed US subs all the time, often coming close to them, racing ahead, waiting for the US sub to catch up, then racing off again taking them on a wild goose chase. And you have completely avoided active sonar, it's not like radar where its use is coveted, is an enemy wants to protect something you bet your ass they're probably blasting active the whole time. US carrier groups ALWAYS have active on, which again is why the Soviets prefer outranging and outpositioning. And if they wanted to be stealthy, Soviet subs had something called a creep motor which was a little deployable electric screw that floated 50m above the main sub that propelled it at 2 knots and had a noise rating of 20 db. That's what they used when they wanted to be stealthy, diesel boats like the Whiskey and Kilo can't use it as they don't have the energy output for it, but a nuclear sub can.


>diesel boats like the Whiskey and Kilo can't use it as they don't have the energy output for it
because that's essentially the default of their electric motors.
You make an interesting post but you aren't really arguing against me, you don't have to begin every post as "No" and then proceed to post facts that I never even argued against.

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cursed weapons and guilty pleasures

post 'em

i want 'em



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nice obrez


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20 shots


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More a cursed fact than a weapon
>The chemical weapons that later became Zyklon B were invented by a Jewish chemist during WWI for the Central Powers, for which he won a Nobel Prize in Chemistry.

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These weapons are made for the purpose of harming a large number of people, the contradiction they have as useful weapons of war is their purpose.
In most wars an army can be expected to deploy the lowest amount of troops and supplies possible as to ensure the lives of its soldiers are safe and the government it works for has surplus army supplies it can use to maintain its security over a state and the potential success of coming out victorious n future armed conflicts. WMDs contradict this basic behaviour by their own nature, if any armed conflict ever breaks out so violent that weapons that need to kill hundreds of thousands to millions need to be mass produced that represents a problem with how 2 or more armies are fundamentally approaching war and are said armies will have their governments invest in better infrastructure and machinery that can counter the effects of WMDs along with tools to make war less lethal as to ensure surplus troops. Evidence of this can be seen in the Cold War which saw an arms race to develop tech that could detect and down a nuke before it hits or launches like the internet and satellites, hazmat suits to counter radiation damage, or ww1 which saw the development of gas masks by garret morgan as a means to counter the effects of mustard gas and bio agents etc.
In conclusion WMDs are useless in warfare as the concept of a WMD itself contradicts the policies any properly maintained army would make to ensure its longevity and security in fulfilling its tasks, for every hypersonic ICBM developed there are radars made of reflective material detecting and sending missiles towards it before it can hit its target.


>for every hypersonic ICBM developed there are radars made of reflective material detecting and sending missiles towards it before it can hit its target.

Problem N°1 anti missile defense systems don't work. The data about performance in real world condition (actual combat) suggests that they even struggle against low speed, low altitude, low range unguided missiles. Expect that the 50% interception rate from synthetic tests will drop dramatically in an actual conflict.
Problem N°2 If they worked you'd need too many.
If your opponent has one ICBM you need a missile shield for every potential target. The more ICBMs your opponent has the larger the list of potential targets gets.
Problem N°3 war-heads that can subdivide into many small bombs.
Nukes can be made very small, and you can fit potentially hundreds or thousands of small nukes on a single ICBM, at this point statistics of large numbers take over, and getting a high interception rate is very unlikely, even if you had tons of effective missile defenses. Decoys will make this even harder.
Problem N°4 newer intercontinental missile systems that are already in service are not flying on ballistic trajectories, and it's not realistic to think that those can be intercepted by another missile, because without a predictable predetermined flight path, it's not likely that you can catch up to something going above Mach 5.

Once you can make lasers or directed particle stream weapon of sufficient power, this will change and anti missile defenses will become plausible, but not before.


highly recommend that anyone worrying about nuclear war watch this film:

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If AUKUS was tragedy, then this is farce


What the fuck LMAO


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The sole 3 worst nationalities in europe christ. angloids, pooland and cuckrainians


Why isn't the invasion of manchuria ever talked about?
It's easily in the running for one of the greatest feats of warfare ever executed as it was instrumental in the Japanese surrender, yet overshadowed by the enola gay.
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The WW2 /edu/ thread contains good stuff, but to be honest the only complete picture of the Red Army Tactics of the war are going to be in Russian (soviet) literature.


>Why isn't the invasion of manchuria ever talked about in the West?
FTFY, Manchuria and its conflicts are not forgotten in the former USSR
>overshadowed by the enola gay
You've answered your query; it isn't politically expedient for the American people to know that Japan's surrender (and in fact the reason they never attacked the USSR at all) is due to numerous defeats at Soviet hands, specifically Khalkin Gol and "Operation August Storm". On the latter I have a pdf on it that I'll post later.


Glantz wrote a good book on Manchuria


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Looks pretty good, thanks dude
Posting for everyone else


I mean, yea, that was quite an impressive feat of the red army, and the reason why the japanese surrendered.
But the Enola gay and the other nuke were fucking nukes, the literal two times were nuclear weapons were used. Like, I know it isn't that fair, but the nukes is possibly the more destructive thing ever made and they were dropped unto the civilian population destroying an entire city with just one bomb.
I mean, you could talk about how the dinosaurs became extinc because of their monstrous size requiring tons of food and so on and that we're destined to become extinct sooner or later, but people talk about the meteorite because it was a fucking meteorite.

Also it might be the reason why there aren't any alien civilizations out there, since the earliest space opera technology bullshit available to civilizations are literally nukes with the power to destroy civilization.

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>wants a gun to “defend himself” from the American government and libruls
>buys guns and ammo exclusively from American govt corporations like the NRA and liberal economies
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>buys guns and ammo exclusively from American govt corporations like the NRA and liberal economies
What the fuck are you talking about? The NRA doesn't sell guns, and it's not a government corporation. Are you high/drunk right now? It's not safe to handle firearms while intoxicated. Sleep it off and post when you're sober.


i think they mean the companies funding the NRA


This is just blatantly wrong. You shouldn't let ideology lead your life to the point where you get this out of touch with reality.


No. I get giving the guy the benefit of the doubt, but this post was just retarded and he should feel bad.


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Kek, reminded me of pic rel

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It’s too fast, so fast to the point where if you were driving a car you would need to be hours away from your destination to properly land this fucking thing when it’s zipping around at hundreds to thousands of kilometres an hour l
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Aren automatic weapoms even real at this point? Haven't seen one, except for the murican soldiers that "claim" they use them.
Maybe it's all a conspiracy to prevent the working mases from arasing. Rise workers, with your flintlock muskets!


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Clippy has attained sentience and is accessing your plane, oh no.


Nah its only a couple dummies


>Chinese jet pilots: Meow over the radio
<US media: Chinese pilots threatened innocent US plane!


What's the most pointless war in recent history?
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>this site is under the radar of the government?
Sorry for any misunderstanding, English is not my first language

I mean "it flies under the radar of the goverment" as in "leftypol.org is not a popular or even known site to the government for them to even ban"


Ahh ok, I see now. I had interpreted that as leftypol was known by the government but not seen as something to censor.


Second Libyan Civil War. At least it's over now.


Pretty sure it was because some dude put a Beer bottle up his ass lmao


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The US tried to capture a "terrorist" in Idlib, the helicopter the special forces were using ended up getting shot down.


Who were they going after? That Golani HTS commander? Also did the crewmen of the heli die?


I couldn't find anything about the fate of the Crewman. Apparently it was ISIS commander, though we don't know this for sure. It is known that this happened in Afrin.


they did kill him and he was the new isis leader



The story of this video is the US forces being overwhelmed by the yellow hordes, that is the standard propaganda narrative, so I'm guessing it's not accurate.

On the technical side: China has focused more on rocket forces than air force, they would launch a lot of anti ship missiles instead of jet fighters to sink US warships. Chinese air to air missiles don't seem to be able to hit US fighter planes. I don't know the technical specs but that feels like plot armor for the main protagonist.


>The story of this video is the US forces being overwhelmed by the yellow hordes, that is the standard propaganda narrative
Yeah because the scenario involves a single carrier group operating in the China sea. Obviously the Chinese are going to have a numerical advantage since they can deploy forces from the mainland.


Is this the simulation where China attacks with aircraft first instead of attacking with missiles first and using aircraft later to finish off survivors?


The aircraft are used to "use up" interception missiles from the US destroyers and cruisers so they will be more vulnerable to the DF-21.


China has enough rockets in the coastal defense system to drown the interceptors with sheer volume of fire. Seems unrealistic.
The US best option is to draw the Chinese outside of their land missile range while bombarding their sea bases on the artificial islands to cut them off.

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