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I still can’t get over the reality that it can take several seconds to hours before someone critically injured will lose consciousness or just fucking die. Imagine just being there as a fucking corpse in unimaginable pain or being simply stressed to the level where you lose your ability to feel but not to see how fucked up your body is for what May feel like a fucking eternity. The guy that killed you has no way to know if they managed to kill you quickly and painlessly, but sooner or later they’ll move on past you while your still fucking there in agony waiting to just go out easily. This shit is all happening while your body is probably pumping your dying dumbass brain with psychedelics and stimulants to fuck up your ability to perceive what’s real while everything that is perceived is vivid and painful as shit. Fuck war man. Fuck killing; it’s all so pointlessly cruel.
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>>5287
'always' is kind of an overstatement, plenty of people get shot and die instantly, even if not in the head, you can get heart shot, or just have too many holes/too big and die of shock

>>5288
If you hit the hindbrain, then yes, the shot will immediately force someone to lose consciousness. However, what that guy said was right.

You ever seen when cops will block ambulances from someone they shot for 'security' reasons for several hours while holding back the screaming family of the victim outside the police line while they bleed out in the street. Reminds me a lot of the aircraft carrier off the coast of Palestine.

>>5290
What the fuck is that stupid over the top mentally ill evil burger-type shit? No way all the drugs, sugar, stress, and illiteracy present in the average badly trained American police officer makes them do stupid evil shit that extreme.

>>5291
reminder that this was an actual police training video


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What can we learn from the Russian invasion of Ukraine and this example of relatively modern warfare? Strategy, tactics, operations, geopolitical responses, information warfare, civilian pov and response. Anything related. Not the thread to talk about "who is in the right".
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>>5240
All you teenage tankies will by CRYING when this new weapon turns the tide in favor of Ukraine and the Ukrainian Armed Forces liberate Donbass and Crimea from the Ruzzians and F-16s fly over the Kremlin!

So in the context of ukraine receiving some F16, I was thinking about how air defence has progressed enough that modern jets have kinda become overkill (and even worse, overpriced) for the task they can actually accomplish without being shot down, namely, being launch platform for long range missiles and doing anti recon/suicide drone patrol duty (like seen in the iran demonstration attack against israel).
For these task, using a full blown, state of the art, 5th gen stealth jet airplane is completely unnecessary and a waste of resources. A ww2 style fighter would do the job just as well for a fraction of the price.

And indeed, ukrainian seem to have apparently used an old yak 52 training plane for shooting down drones with great success. So much that russia apparently shot an iskander at it.
Given that you can buy a yak for around 50.000€ and an iskander is estimated at around 3.000.000$, I think theres a lot of potential in going back to cheap non jet aircrafts for many tasks.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/07/18/deploying-drones-and-missiles-russia-is-trying-to-blow-up-ukraines-world-war-i-style-yak-52-dogfighter/

>>5262
>ukrainian seem to have apparently used an old yak 52 training plane for shooting down drones with great success.
>forbes
LMAO no. Russia shot down those several times. Jet fighters are needed, as are slower low-tech aircraft, as are SAMs. This is what combined warfare is. The USSR leaned heavily on air-defenses and made the best in the world, but it still had a significant aircraft fleet, because air defenses alone are not getting the job done. Drones have vulnerabilities, and low-tech strike aircraft are niche.
>For these task, using a full blown, state of the art, 5th gen stealth jet airplane is completely unnecessary and a waste of resources.
True, which is why the Su-57 has been used against priority high-threat targets rather than doing what the Su-34 and Su-25 do. the Su-57 can absolutely mount the same weapons as those two, but it's a waste of time.

Additionally only low tech aircraft is a good way of high losses in a high-tech peer-conflict, or even a near-peer conflict. In the Gulf-war the A-10 had some of the highest loss rates of ANY aircraft in that war and many of its missions were accomplished by F-16s and F-15Ds at standoff ranges, in part because the US coalition lacked proper SAM defenses and relied only on air-superiority rather than a combined arms approach, they were lucky the Iraqis were weaker and more disorganized.

>>5264
>LMAO no.
no what ? do you deny you can shoot down a recon drone with a simple motor airplane ?

>Russia shot down those several times
even if they did, the idea was more using it into your own safe airspace. And using any missile to shoot it down, you're still paying too much.

>Jet fighters are needed, as are slower low-tech aircraft, as are SAMs. This is what combined warfare is
no shit, way to miss the point.

>rather than doing what the Su-34 and Su-25 do.
any jet fighter will be a magnitude more expensive than a regular motor plane

>only low tech aircraft
I didnt advocate for having ONLY them. But do you really need a jet for lobbing FAB-500s ?
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>>5270
Your spacing is ass, please don't do this.
>no what ?
You realize that people can scroll up and see exactly what I'm saying "no" to right? The fact is that Ukraine has failed to shoot down drones with its trainers, since it's literally pulling WW-1 shit, with people firing handguns out of open cockpits. There's literally a Russian drone video where they try and fail to shoot it down.
>even if they did, the idea was more using it into your own safe airspace.
*laughs in long range SAM*
You realize that Ukraine has been using very long range stand-off weapons like cruise missiles and are STILL getting shot down, right? Only a few days ago an Su-35 shot down a MiG-29 - which was using a HARM missile in a long-range ground-strike - from over 200km away, with an R-37. Earlier in the war the S-300V4 set a similar record kill from a similar distance of over 200km. An S-400 shot down an Su-27 over Kiev earlier in the war from 150km away. Pantsir, Osa and Tor SPAAG/SAMs have shot down numerous low-flying missiles, drones and other aircraft.
>using any missile to shoot it down, you're still paying too much.
If you're an idiot using patriot anti-ballistic long-range missiles against drones. A single Tor missile costs maybe a couple thousand dollars. A single yak-52 costs 50-100 thousand dollars, so you're dead wrong.
>way to miss the point.
I didn't miss your point. I don't disagree in the necessity of low-tech aircraft, but not like Ukraine is doing, and frankly an attack chopper would do just as well, if not better.
>any jet fighter will be a magnitude more expensive than a regular motor plane
Any jet fighter would also be magnitudes more effective.
>do you really need a jet for lobbing FAB-500s
In an SAM-heavy air-space like Ukraine? YES.
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Obscure gruella political literature
I'm sure everyone here has Che and Mao's guerilla warfare books downloaded at this point, but I'm curious about similar literature written by people in conflicts that were less famous
The Nepalese civil war, Western Sahara conflict, The Baloch conflict, Sri-Lankan communist insurgency
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>>4511
Seconding

>>4572
>>4511
Here's the last thread about them, if anyone wants to shift through it to find any guides and pdfs
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/645630.html#750333

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>>4426
this book was on the news

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All-in-one handbook


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What it says on the tin - I've seen a couple threads about preparing for a Guerrilla war or whatever, but not much about defending yourself and others at a demonstration or during a riot, which is obviously a much more common situation to find yourself in. I specifically had defending from riot police in mind, but anything would be interesting/useful.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Era2Up8ILis
Rioting from kenya live, watch and learn

The Kenyans do it better than you do.

>>5189
thanks anon

>>5189
anyone got any decent tips from this?

>>4589
post it

https://youtu.be/sJdjCy35Hww
Lots of useful things in this video.


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Ok, I'm going to make the dreaded question.
Could normal size mechas (like, 1.5 storey tall) be actually viable in warfare?
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>>4454
>>4452
Kalashnikov Concern demo'd a mecha walker in 2018 called Игорёк. It's for civilian use, with a multi-person cockpit, with manipulators resembling that of a Deep-Sea submersible and leg structure reminiscent of the ED-209 or Star Wars AT-ST.

>A Purely Practical Look at Mechs and Mech Combat
>Jason Wolfe

“Pistol calibres, and rifle calibres, why would a soldier need an intermediary calibre? The future of combat is longer ranged rifles with bigger bullets!” - Probably some MIC fudd in the 50s

Mechas are needed, badly. Infantry equipment is getting constantly heavier and knees get exploded. An arms race is occuring between ballistic armor and tungsten penetrator unicorn ammo. Theres even plates now that can defeat .50 BMG! What this all means for infantry is that their gear will get much heavier in the future until a threshold is passed where it gets too heavy so ballistic armor is dropped completely besides maybe flak vests. This already occured once in history. When black powder was first introduced, armor smiths were ablo to cope by making their plates thicker, or inventing angled armor (Kastenbrust, look it up), but soon enough ballistic tech would catch up resulting in an arms race just like we see now, arm and leg armor was dropped from the equipment because the theoretical weight of such armor that could stop a musketball anywhere on the body was laughable, and soon enough even breastplates and helmets were dropped because of infeasibility to add any more weight to a soldier.

Same process as now. But now mechas are in our reach. An intermediary. Instead of only having naked infantry and armored vehicles, a new unit type could emerge, having mobility close to infantry (especially useful in an urban environment) while at the same time surviving small arms that infantry can carry. Closing the gap so to speak.

>>5255
Mecha is retarded. That's why they don't exist.

>>5255
I agree with this notion, although it is a possibility that soldiers' equipment only comes to weigh less and less. You bring up the example of black powder, but now we have developed assault rifles that achieve the abilities of a power musket tenfold.
>Same process as now. But now mechas are in our reach. An intermediary. Instead of only having naked infantry and armored vehicles, a new unit type could emerge, having mobility close to infantry (especially useful in an urban environment) while at the same time surviving small arms that infantry can carry. Closing the gap so to speak.
I would like to see these tools to be developed for more capabilities then pewpew, for instances the development of entrenchments or transportation across shit terrain.
>>5256
Locheed Martin has devoured your soul I take it.


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The Secret Service couldn't keep up. As consumer-grade Universal Constructors flooded the market, people began using them to manufacture satellite weaponry. The unthinkable became routine: holding Senators hostage with the mere threat of a strike, coordinates programmed into hastily assembled, orbiting death machines.

Page, ever the schemer, had seen the writing on the wall long before the chaos erupted. He ordered us to clone the entire Senate, ensuring his precious legislation remained untouchable and live, regardless of the threats. Now, the real Senators were hidden away, their roles played by perfect duplicates, indistinguishable even under the closest scrutiny.

But that was only the beginning. Page had his secret plan. He implanted the cloned Senators with advanced augmentation devices, giving him unprecedented control. Through SSH, he now wrote laws directly, bypassing the sluggishness of democracy. His clandestine augmentations turned the Senators into mere extensions of his will, puppets executing his commands with unerring precision.

In the midst of this upheaval, Everett, our once-diligent watchdog, had retreated into silence. He wouldn't even read the news, overwhelmed by the sheer impossibility of the world we had created. Page's grip tightened, his influence expanding as he bent the Senate—and by extension, the entire nation—to his vision.

The cloning chambers hummed quietly beneath the Capitol, an eerie testament to the new order. The real Senators, unaware of their own replacements, continued to languish in secure locations, kept alive only as a contingency. Page's machinations ensured that any dissent was swiftly quashed, his synthetic Senate unwavering in its loyalty.

As we watched from the shadows, the implications of our actions weighed heavily. The power to shape reality had shifted dramatically, and the boundaries of ethics and governance blurred beyond recognition. The lines between savior and tyrant, protector and oppressor, became indistinguishable, leaving us to wonder if this brave new world was truly an improvement, or a descent into an even darker age.


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Picsrel (top to bottom):

>UAVs
>reconnaissance drones (these are quadcopter drones used for aerial filming that were disguised as toys)
>unmanned submarines that operate autonomously and navigate using GPS
>"ayyash" missiles (made from metal pipes leftover after the zionists got kicked out of Gaza, some warheads lifted from a WWI-era sunken British naval ship and a fuel engine w/ pumps that has a range of over 200km and can hit anywhere in Israel)

Is this the final intifada? Are they capble of ever standing a chance against Israel?
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>>4047
>You fail to understand what foil does to spoof low-power RADARs. It not only creates a RADAR profile, but distorts it, so that you can't actually get a good idea of the target's actual location or proximity, thus the Tamir missile seeker may 'think' that its on top of the target and detonate, when in fact it is ahead or behind the rocket, since the target is so imprecise.
False for two reasons. Tinfoil doesn't distort radar that much and the Tamir uses a laser fuse together with the radar seeker at shortest range.

>Now again I'm just postulating this based on what I know about RADAR and chaff, so I could be wrong, but I wasn't the person that suggested foil as a method to begin with, I was only repeating a claim by a Raytheon engineer I heard of and thought interesting.
These rumors are lies in 99% of time and just cite authority to look more credible.

So in review, Hamas drones were an absolute failure once the invasion kicked off.

>>3825
Very well. The weapon market is at an all time right and there is now a popular demand from both side for more public spending. Every single weapon manufacturer get filthy rich from the taxpayer's money. This war is a total American victory.

>But all the people who die?
Leave that detail to the unwashed masses. Come on do you think the war on terror was about fighting terror? It's over, we need something new.

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>>3549
Is there any Hamas left alive? If the combined forced of Egypt Syria and Jordan lose to Israel then these guerillas stand no chance.


 

Since tank warfare is a hot topic right now I'll drop some good tank vids.

First vid is a long one covering American tanker school.
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>>5161
I stay away from kiwi-farms because it's like /pol/ but with quadrupled autism. That being said, please link me that good shit

>I don't think there has ever been a one man tank with the rest of the crew being remote
It's been tried, hell recently Russia jury-rigged a T-55 with full remote control, so it drives, aims and fires while remote controlled.
>what do you mean by inability to mount heavy weaponry
There's a reason why the Uran series don't mount 125mm guns. You need very heavy calibers and heavy caliber weapons need a chassis that has a good amount of weight. The T-72's 45+ tons is already pushing the limit. It's gun is so powerful that firing the gun rocks the whole tank with recoil. Building an unmanned vehicle in that weight range is arguable in terms of viability and design, although I suppose the argument for it could be made. .

>>5162
That T55 was fully automated though. What I propose is leave the driver in so that he can drive back if the signal to the remote control breaks.

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Despite the lessons of Ukraine demonstrating how wheeled "tanks" are a terrible idea, the Italians have ordered more Centauro IIs.
https://topwar.ru/245231-ukrainskij-opyt-tak-i-ne-nauchil-italjanskaja-armija-zakazala-novuju-partiju-kolesnyh-tankov-centauro-ii.html

Interestingly enough the problem has been around for a while, and its the reason the USSR never adopted such wheeled AFVs mounting heavier guns. Among the issues of it being inevitably too lightly armored (due to wheels having much higher ground-pressure, requiring lessened weight) there's also the issue of stability, and while vehicles like the Rooikat dealt with it by having very wide bodies with low centers of gravity, many such glorified gun-trucks are long, tall and unstable, which is why I literally laughed out loud when Taiwan unveiled its Cloud Leopard II IFV. My reasoning is based on the Stryker 105mm M1128 mobile gun system. This Centauro inspired modification was a failure (like the Stryker in general) due to how it couldn't fire on the move, and even standing still had trouble firing from the side, since the gun recoil shook the vehicle like crazy, which you can see in old promo videos for the Stryker (vid1 rel). That's of course forgetting that it has no stabilizers (which would add more weight BTW).

>inb4 the BMP-3
Besides it being tracked, it's an actual personnel carrier and isn't just a light anti-tank SPG like the Centauro II is. And the Sprut-SD is meant as a light tank for desant and marine operations (hence it being amphibious) and not as a dedicated tank destroyer of the overall army, which is why we haven't seen it in use in Ukraine.

>inb4 "le Ratel"
>During Operation Protea and Operation Askari, Ratel-90s were to face Angolan T-34-85, PT-76, and T-54/55 tanks, with mixed results.
>In the wake of Operation Askari, South African field commanders began complaining that Ratel-90s were being expected to fulfill the role of light tanks rather than serving in their intended role of infantry support.
The Ratel had a hard time dealing with old medium/light tanks and only the nature of combat in Africa meant it had any viability.

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Apparently the manual for the T-90M and T-80BVM have been leaked and translated (files rel). RedEffect made a video on it. As RedEffect stated, these manuals lacks critical information that is actually secret such as penetration values. However reading through the excerpts and data I have the suspicion that these are somewhat outdated manuals from about a year ago, because I know for a fact that the T-80BVM's reverse speed was increased by about 25% (so somewhere in the ball-park of 15-18km/h, with a future upgrade being planned to raise reverse speed to 25km/h) and that they have similar thermal sights to the T-90M, evidenced by the footage we've seen and that I've posted ITT. Further proof is the inclusion of instructions for the GTD-1000 as well as the GTD-1250, which means that this includes instructions for the T-80BV and not just the BVM.
The T-90M's reverse speed is also higher than is stated, but not by much. Also the limit for a 125mm HE-Frag shell is 12000 meters, not 10000, and Russian gun-launched missiles have exceeded the 5000 meter guidance limit several times during the war, so I'm reckoning that the manual is intentionally downplaying or averaging the actual capabilities by a small margin, less to "trick the enemy" and more as a way to make sure the crew doesn't over-estimate their tank's capabilities and put it in unnecessary situations that push the tank's limits.

BTVT despite being Ukrainian favoring and a cynic, does make some good posts
https://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/2251551.html?utm_source=3userpost
His telegram is full of anti-Russian stuff though, most of it being armchair opinionshit. I won't say that their criticisms are entirely wrong, but some of it is clearly a reach.
https://t.me/btvt2019/11845


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What do we do about e guns, e cannons, drones and other electronic based weapons in future wars? How will these machines respond to tech like EMPs and multilayered radars?
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>>4076
That's such an easy method to cause friendly fire. You'd need to have an identification system as well.

>>4079
to go into further detail, there would be a button and a screen that shows what the camera is seeing, you would have to hold the button to make the barrel adjust itself, and if your targets are mixed in with friendlies just don't hold the button and try firing without the autoaim or not fire at all at friendlies, idk

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>>4053
https://topwar.ru/231286-rabotu-rossijskih-sistem-rjeb-v-sevastopole-vidno-iz-kosmosa.html

Apparently Russian Electronic Warfare and jamming is so strong that it's visible from satellites. It's part of the reason AWACs and Global Hawk drones are used by NATO to support Ukrainian operations for missile strikes in Russian territory.

The EW environment of the war means a lot of FPV drones on both sides use analog systems that are grainy as shit, since they're more resistant to jamming. Analog is also cheaper and it helps that drones are designed like a more advanced RC system that is resistant a lot because of the need to operate in areas like cities where Wi-Fi and other interference is everywhere. On top of that non-standard frequencies are used as back ups. Antennas, range extenders/repeaters and other relay systems are also used to actually make any sort of operations possible.

>>4129
>>4129
>Apparently Russian Electronic Warfare and jamming is so strong that it's visible from satellites
I'm fairly certain that a lot of that is due to inexperienced EW troops heavily jamming both Russian and Ukrainian stuff, as well as the relatively small size of the battlefield relative to the amount of EW weaponry

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>The US Army is developing a multi-domain artillery weapon (MDAC) capable of combating air targets, which is planned to be operational by the end of the decade.
>A key feature of MDAC will be the use of hypersonic projectiles (HVPs), originally developed for the canceled US Navy electromagnetic railgun program. These projectiles, capable of achieving ultra-high speed, can provide effective protection against cruise missiles and other airborne targets.
>The system will be based on a wheeled self-propelled 155 mm howitzer, which will ensure its mobility and relative cheapness compared to traditional air defense systems.
>The US Army is currently starting the MDAC prototyping process. Prototypes should be ready by the end of 2027, and tests will begin in 2028.
<BAE systems hyper expensive rail gun ammo
<On a platform far less suited to a rail gun
<Barrel is obviously not a fucking rail gun or a coil gun or anything EM projected
<we couldn't make railgun work on a ship
<but we will make it work on some ghetto looking 6x6
Embezzlementbros, we are so back.


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Chopper Thread
Thread for helicopters and related VTOL aircraft such as tilt-rotors, autogyros and gyrodynes.
Soviet, Western and other rotor craft welcome, civilian or military.

Russian sites: https://avia.pro/vertolety
https://www.aviastar.org/index_rus.html
https://robo-wiki.ru/robotics-blog/history-helicopters/
https://poletomania.ru/stati/o-vozdukhoplavanii/pervye-vertolety-v-mire-kto-i-kogda-ikh-pridumal-istoriya-sozdaniya/

English sites:
https://www.britannica.com/technology/helicopter

P.S. Be civil on this blade whirling forum

https://topwar.ru/245811-rabotaetsja-bystree-i-udobnee-polskie-aviatehniki-sravnili-vertolet-apache-s-mi-2.html
>Polish helicopter pilots praise the Apache as being better and easier to maintain compared to the Mil Mi-2
I fucking laughed at this. A modern Attack Helicopter is better than an old early modification of a helicopter, wow, who would have thought!? The poles are really going out of their way to suck up to the USA.

>>5227
The Mi-2 and the AH-64 are not even in the same class of helicopters lmao. The Mi-2 is a light utility chopper whereas the Apache is a gunship. Even if you can mount weapons on a Mi-2 (like some variants) it's nowhere near as much as a dedicated attack helicopter.
Funnier even is that the Mi-2 was exclusively produced in Poland. Funny how Poland loves to bash the USSR when it allowed them to have the industry necessary to do things like that.

>>5229
That's the funny part. The even funnier part is that they also have the Mi-24, but they omitted any comparison, which leads me to believe that the Mi-24, has advantages (as usual). Oh but there's more. The Mi-2 may take longer to maintain but its also more rugged, requires maintenance less often overall and can be repaired pretty much in the field, as compared to the Apache that needs a dedicated workshop.


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