>>4615This is retarded. Dogfights absolutely still happen and is both proven in previous wars -from Vietnam to Lebanon - and in modern simulations of a US air-battle with Chinese and Russian air forces
>the last two decades have seen virtually zero dogfights in jet to jet engagements. The last 2 decades have barely HAD any jet to jet engagements because most air-force activities have been ground attack against under-armed guerillas and terrorists or civilians. However dogfights do occur.
- In Syria an F/A-18 shot down a Su-22
- In India a MiG-21 modernization shot down a Pakistani F-16 and more than one skirmish of this kind has occurred between them.
- During the late 90s Yugoslav and Serbian wars dogfights happened quite often, with MiG-29s and MiG-21s engaging F-16s, Panavia Tornados and other aircraft in close-range combat.
- Russian fighter jets, primarily the Su-35, have shot down drones with auto-cannon fire over Ukraine
Dogfighting was declared dead in the 1960s and Vietnam disproved that, which is why all fighter-jets today still mount autocannons. Dogfights would continue into every conflict of every war after. The first Gulf War had an F-15 engage two MiG-29s and there were a few more close range engagements in that war.
The idea that BVR will end dogfighting is retarded because counter-measures against such missiles will improve with the missiles and never guarantee a hit. This was proven in Iraq when F-15s with AIM-120s failed to shoot down MiG-25s because they simply avoided, out-maneuvered and out speeded the missiles, with the F-15s likewise avoiding the R-40s fired back at them. DFRM and other countermeasures mean Active RADAR seekers are vulnerable to spoofing, Semi-Active missiles force the firing aircraft to reveal its position by actively using RADAR and IR-guidance is primarily used for close range engagements and is vulnerable to flares and decoys.
Finally the F-22 was built specifically to outperform the F-15 Eagle, including in maneuverability and IS more maneuverable than it, so no the excuse of
"stealth design and general considerations for BVR engagements reduce the ability to turn fight while being subsonic." is absolutely untrue.