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So Zastava and the Serbian Army have decided to venture away from the M70 (Yugoslav AK47 clone) as a service weapon and adopt the new M19 Modular Combat System.
It can use the old 7,62 mm cartridge and a proprietary 6,5 mm (based on Grendel) cartridge. Changing the cartridge involves a barrel swap, which can be done on-the-fly.
While it's has a lot of changes from the M70, it still uses the Kalashnikov system.
Is it too weird for a service rifle?

Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_M19
Video by a gun Youtuber from the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CE2wNnmIOg
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>>4180
Yugo-anon have you returned to us?

>>4183
I don't understand why not just keep using 7.62 or 5.56mm though if different new bullet standards don't seem to offer any benefits or performance increases

>>4180
I wonder why so many countries, even small ones seem to be trying to update their small arms.
Functionally, little has changed in the last few decades save the explosion in usage of various attachments. But these could already be accommodated with minor modifications to existing inventories. In the grand realm of warfare, newer small arms ultimately produce little additional effect on the battlefield, fire support (e.g. artillery and airpower) still proves to be the main cause of casualties. Unless whatever new weapon has such a revolution in one area, its effect will always be marginal and the time and effort taken to introduce and update the entire chain of supply might be better used elsewhere.

It's for that reason that Uncle Sam, China and Russia used decades-old weapons (with upgrades) for so long, the M4A1, QBZ and the AK-74 are about as good as it gets until a new revolution in material science.

>>4186
New guns means a new opportunity for arms contractors I guess

>>4185
AFAIK the reason why 6.5mm is the hot new calibre is because 5.56mm is too focused on range and velocity for an assault weapon where everything is mid-ranged at most and sacrifices penetration capability, while 7.62mm was already replaced in the Soviet military primarily for being too heavy, so 6.5mm is in the middle of not being as heavy as 7.62mm while not being a pointlessly light, low penetrating but high velocity round as 5.56mm.

>>4186
>>4187
Guns simply get worn out over time and eventually you need to completely replace your 40 year old rifles since metal fatigue and corrosion and such means overhauling won't necessarily guarantee safety or reliability. They *could* just produce brand new M70s, but they could also design a brand new design with all the improvements desired (weight being a big one) with the possibility of exporting the weapon to make back the R&D costs. M70s might not be competitive export rifles forever and Zastava no doubt wants an exportable rifle that compete's with Kalashnikov's own AK-12 series.



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I like see with my own eys what's going on. I'd prefer footage of fighting over war crimes being commited but let's see it all. If you don't like just don't ge into the thread
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>>3917
In that last clip, what's that thing he puts on the tank?

>>3963
It's a tandem-HEAT warhead from an RPG-7, only the rocket unit is detached. Probably has a delayed fuse. They use some of their spare warheads as sticky bombs essentially.

>>3917
LOL I posted some of those too

Hamas video of clashes in Khan Yunis

why is there so little PIJ/Saraya footage ITT?

>>4111
>111
Checked
I don't know why, post some if you have them.



 

Why isn't the invasion of manchuria ever talked about?
It's easily in the running for one of the greatest feats of warfare ever executed as it was instrumental in the Japanese surrender, yet overshadowed by the enola gay.
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>>1296
Looks pretty good, thanks dude
Posting for everyone else

I mean, yea, that was quite an impressive feat of the red army, and the reason why the japanese surrendered.
But the Enola gay and the other nuke were fucking nukes, the literal two times were nuclear weapons were used. Like, I know it isn't that fair, but the nukes is possibly the more destructive thing ever made and they were dropped unto the civilian population destroying an entire city with just one bomb.
I mean, you could talk about how the dinosaurs became extinc because of their monstrous size requiring tons of food and so on and that we're destined to become extinct sooner or later, but people talk about the meteorite because it was a fucking meteorite.

Also it might be the reason why there aren't any alien civilizations out there, since the earliest space opera technology bullshit available to civilizations are literally nukes with the power to destroy civilization.

>>1315
Japanese sent surrender requests mutliple times before the nukes were dropped, the firebombing of Tokyo and other cities were way more devastating than the nuclear bombs when it came to civilian casualties.

The bombs were dropped so the US military could use their new toy they wasted so much budget on. Could you imagine the embarassment? Japan gains a conditional surrender and the whole Manhattan project was just a gigantic waste of money? It's worse when you consider the Japanese surrender terms, which are the same that the US occupation authorities granted to Japan, which were:

Let the emperor stay as ceremonial head of state,
Let the Japanese war criminals off the hook and
Accept Japanese overseas claims on some islands

Then there was the problem that the US had only fissile material for only three bombs, only uranium and two plutonium, and all three were used in the end, one test and two detonations over civilian cities with no military importance, which shows that it was rushed to be used.

Thankfully the Soviets finished their invasion of Manchuria at that point, or else there would've been an American occupied northeastern China in the worst case or the whole Korean peninsula under US hegemony.

Talking about the Soviets, the bombs were also used as a threat against them, in a grand showcase that the psychopathic US was ready to mass murder their enemies and poison the land with fallout for millions of years to come.

Your other point about the Fermi Paradox, it's more likely that we are the first, there is a serious lack of radio waves trashing through the universe, but nukes are a dangerous great filter. Let's see if the USA can step down without taking the whole world with them.

>>1276
dumbass

>>4140
He's right.



 

I, for one, appreciate the PLA's effort to make Touhou real.

>>4095
I dunno who created this compilation, but I appreciate them sneaking Wargame footage in.



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Is an AR-15 the best rifle to get if you're looking to arm yourself? I know it's incredibly popular in the US, but I'm not sure how much of that is just people trying to operator larp.

Pros:
- Cheap ammo
- Ample parts
- Easy to use

Cons:
- Complex
- Low powered round
- High-profile sights
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>>1824
>- Low powered round
Compared to what?

>- Complex

again, compared to what?

>>1847
they're great for hunting

>>2715
>most armor above level III is designed to stop shotgun blasts and pistol round
level III armor can stop lead-core 7.62x39 and 5.56

>>1824
Is this thread still active? Damb I posted this one years ago as low effort reply bait

>>4077
this is a very slow board



 

Just don't talk about gun control
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>>2555
>Flea Market Socialist
Based
AFAIK the SRA still doesn't have that kind of influence, unfortunately. The one gunshow I went to didn't really have any good deals, and from what I've heard, you're probably better off vising a gun store. Did have a fair selection though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afVhBnX-LLw
Как спастись от американского тепловизора? ATN MARS 4 | How to fool a thermal scope

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asked in a different thread, but might not get seen so: i intend to complete my higher education, but after that, is it worthwhile to consider the military or at least go into military reserves? i doubt i can give myself a truly equivalent training or mindset and i cant see any other way to give myself adequate, if albeit in all likelihood unnecessary, preparation

>>437
>>What would happen if someone fired off an entire magazine of a Type 56 AK when engaged in combat in an enclosed space (interior of a cargo ship in this case) where no-one participating has hearing protection? Does everyone just go deaf from it?
Their ears would certainly be ringing

>>Is .38 special enough to stop a man in one shot? If not can you recommend a better revolver cartridge?

It can certainly kill in one shot if the bullet hits the heart or central nervous system

>any recommendation for operator gear for maximum operating for that period? Kevlar vest and tactical rig recs would be especially appreciated.

Ranger body armor vests for armor and these two items for rigs:
https://kommandopost.com/2023/03/18/us-navy-modified-vbss-vest-1984-early-1990s/

https://kommandopost.com/2023/03/17/modified-blackhawk-chest-rig-panel-late-1990s-early-2000s/



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armoured vehicles aircraft and ships
>here you can post military vehicles
>This thread is dedicated to military vehicle enthusiasts
>Here you can post all sorts of things to do with military vehicle's
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>>2354
T-55M5 (Ob'yekt 155M5) – This modernization kit adds convex explosive reactive armour "Kontakt-5" panels around turret front, armour panel on glacis plate, a longer hull, a new style fire control equipment with stabilized TVK-3 and TKN-1SM sights for the gunner and commander, an improved V-55U engine (or V-46-5M) and a main gun stabilization system. The original 100 mm D-10T2S gun is maintained. Combat weight is less than 40 tonnes.

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Mega post on imgur on the Project 941 Akula - NATO classification Typhoon Class Heavy SSBN.
https://archive.ph/uCVkP
https://imgur.com/a/xi3P3
photos forum http://forums.airbase.ru/2011/11/t61342_16--podvodnye-lodki-proekta-941-i-941u.html

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Houthi F-5's participated in a military parade today

>>1581
>lazersqueal makes a 'reveal' video filming himself while unironically doing his "le british-empire was good akshually" meme in real life and proceeds to be a nonce.
>comment-section is literally Eceleb worship by all the r/NonCredibleDefense retards that forgot their subreddit was supposed to be ironic.
>Someone on /k/ points this out and a few people agree ( /k/thread/60229633 )
<mods delete the thread
Yep, /k/ really is in the dumpster

As an aside, Lazerpig made the following assertions (among others), that I found particularly stupifyingly idiotic
1 - The Armata's engine is the Porsche-Tiger engine
2 - the T-72 uses the same V2 as the T-34

Both demonstrate and prove that Lazerswine not only doesn't know what he's on about, but that he also can't be bothered to research properly.

The narrative of the V-2 being from the T-34 is a mistranslation of Russian statements, which speak of the reliability of the design and that the T-72s V2 uses the same V2 set up. The very fact that the transmission and placement of the engine is completely different doesn't cross this moron's mind. A /k/ anon brought up a very good analogy: It’s like trying to say the 2023 Corvette engine is made from the same V8 engine Chevy made in the 1950’s. Engine evolution is slow and builds upon the previous generation. Chamber shaped differently here, block casting methods there, till eventually it doesn’t share a single part from the original engine.

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The apache is an overpriced piece of crap and the Iraqi insurgency regularly downed them with improvised weapons and kalashnikovs. Don't buy into the military-industrial complex propaganda.

>In 2003, the AH-64 participated in the invasion of Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom. On 24 March 2003, 31 Apaches were damaged; one was shot down in an unsuccessful attack on an Iraqi Republican Guard armored brigade near Karbala. Iraqi tank crews had set up a "flak trap" among terrain and effectively employed their guns. Iraqi officials claimed a farmer with a Brno rifle shot down the Apache, but the farmer denied involvement. The AH-64 came down intact and the crew were captured; it was destroyed via air strike the following day. This incident had significant consequences for the AH-64 helicopter because it revealed an important vulnerability. Despite being considered by army aviators as flying tanks at the time, it became clear that the AH-64 was actually highly susceptible to rifle fire. As a result, the army quietly disclosed in early 2006 that AH-64s would no longer have a major role in carrying out attacks deep inside enemy lines.


>By the end of U.S. military operations in Iraq in December 2011, several Apaches had been shot down by enemy fire and lost in accidents. In 2006, an Apache was downed by a Soviet-made Strela 2 (SA-7) in Iraq, despite it being typically able to avoid such missiles. In 2007, four Apaches were destroyed on the ground by insurgent mortar fire using web-published geotagged photographs taken by soldiers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_AH-64_Apache#21st_century



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Thought we should have a caliber discussion since we keep having it in different threads.
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>>1883
which caliberussy is the best?

>>2464
For what application and where or in general?

>>2463
good question

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>>1941
>more recoil than 5.56 too which is already much worse than 5.45x39

>>2460
The point of the hybrid case technology is that it allows for significantly higher chamber pressures compared to all-brass casings



 

What's the most pointless war in recent history?
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>>1116
Ahh ok, I see now. I had interpreted that as leftypol was known by the government but not seen as something to censor.

Second Libyan Civil War. At least it's over now.

>>1070
Pretty sure it was because some dude put a Beer bottle up his ass lmao


>>1052
What the FUCK is that Belligerents list? That has to be one of the strangest I've seen yet.



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Are you poor as shit but still want to have a gun for protection or other purposes? Don't be unarmed, use this handy chart, and you too can be the proud owner of a firearm.
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>>2330
This man speaks the truth. Although if you are going to get a cheap dot, please at least get a nicer one like a Holosun or something. There's no point buying an actual airsoft red dot because it's going to cost you at least a hundred bucks to get your slide milled for an optic regardless so you're not saving that much proportionate to the total cost.

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This is from 2015 but still useful, prices have gone up a bit for all of these tho

>>3252
the windicator is usually sold with a 4 inch barrel now and the snub nosed variant is really hard to find

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>>3252
here's an updated version

>>3926
as a Swede, burgers being willing to shell out $600 for a used Carl Gustav is a surprise. they go for like $100-150 here



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