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"War can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun." - Chairman Mao
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So best small-arms ==> Russian
Best aircraft ==> American
Best tanks ==> ? (we can discuss this itt since it's probably the most controversial and divisive topic)
And for others;
Best drones?
Best missiles? (tactical or otherwise)
Best electronic warfare?
Feel free to add any other category of military technology to discuss which country has the best of it

>>2113
Most categories will just be toss-ups between the USA and Russia since they both have the institutional knowledge to produce all modern weapons. The exception is tanks and tracked howitzers since Germany does both pretty good.

If you want to have more contenders, you need to go more niche. Best corvette, frigate, attack and transport helicopter can be contested by Europe. Best light anti-tank rocket and anti-tank guided missiles can also be contested by multiple countries as can best APC (tracked or wheeled) and best IFV



 

Feel free to make some extra larpy fluff while in it.

Yes, i shamelessly stole this idea from a /k/ thread i saw once. Sue me.
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>>2058
You mean the embed?




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Is it time to stock up and have a series of boating accidents?

It is always time for that. Just don't forget ammo, probably more important.



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These seem like the way to go for cheap, widely available personal rifles.

Share advice on models, ammo, magazines etc.
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hamsics and ancom flag???
anyways they’re rocking PCCs

If you possess Superior Floridian Genes then you're required to get a KelTec PCC. If not then I guess get whatever you want.

>>362
Some states ban particular weapons. In my jurisdiction the AR-15 is banned so your only way to get your hands on a 5.56 carbine is buying a Mini-14

Most PCCs are overpriced range toys or aimed toward police departments that don't trust their pigs with real submachineguns or AR-15s. The exceptions are the Hi-Point carbines and the Kel-Tech Sub2000 which are worth consideration. You can get the former for like $270 and the latter for around $500. They occupy a niche in that are an economical substitute for an AR-15 for rifle problems and home defense/ fighting inside buildings like a pistol or shotgun. The higher end ones are pointless.

So 9mm is the best caliber for the PCC and the best kinda ammo is 9mm NATO, 124gr ~1250 fps. Hi-Point makes .380, 9mm, .40, .45 and 10mm carbines. Only the 9mm and 10mm are worth consideration because everything else has awful ballistics and fails to do the niche thing PCCs can do like quick accurate shots out to 100-150 yards. 10mm that's actually loaded beyond the energy of .40 S&W is like $1.40/rd and always out of stock. There is an ideal of a 10mm Carbine with like 1500 fps with a 180gr round and doing 1000+ ft/lbs energy from the barrel deadly 20-30-50 stendo round assault clips. You can modify any .45 hi-point mag to feed 10mm by pinching it's feed lips closer then it will hold capacity +10%. 44 Round 10mm drum mags.That's all cool but let's consider 9mm carbines to be the only real choice because the main draw of a Hi-Point carbine is being cheap and 9mm is the cheapest.

So for 9mm options, Kel-Tech takes 32rd Glock magazines is extremely lightweight and folds in half. Hi-point takes single-stack magazines of dubious quality ranging from 10 to 20. It's perfectly adequate. It's not a combat weapon unless you have to. Then donkey-dick 9mm stendo assault-clips, almost do it.

>>383
Most pistol calibers reach max velocity at about 12". There's no real reason to get a barrel longer than 16".

>>1879
hi-point 995 seems like a great economical urban carbine for when you can’t get an AR or whatever



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The design of guns isn’t what matters but the idea of long distance combat with the potential to kill an enemy soldier in a matter of a single to few hits in the right areas.

This revolution of war to be centered around staying as far away as possible from enemy troops made large scale battles pretty much obsolete in most wars today as being seen can often come with worse consequences than simply being executed with the potential for entire squads and bases to become doxed, along with the fact that more troops and weapons != to more success in combat especially when both or more armed groups in modern wars possess weapons that pretty much instakill with dozens to hundreds of these weapons like armour piercing bullets available per troop.

Coupled with the introduction of the radar briefly during the pacific battles against imperial Japan really began to amplify the importance of staying away from conflict in order to spare the lives of soldiers, equipment and weapons and to this day most of the real combat in wars is done via trying to collect as much information on what a states security threats have and are planning.
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>>972
>Drones are the next big leap
only against opponents that lack air power, pretty much any air-force would be able to shredder drones in masses.

>>1004
This is only tangentially related , but crossbows might make a comeback with advanced materials. Not actually as a bow, but as a rifle with a spring in it. Material-science advances suggest that two or three orders of magnitude in spring tension is possible. That's enough for a low power rifle suitable for wildlife protection and hobby shooting. The spring made from speculative future-science-material is compressed with manual labor input and released by a heavy trigger. And the result will be a powder-less rifle that makes a loud clicking and clanking noise but no exploding powder bang, that will be safer to operate.

>>1006
>pretty much any air-force would be able to shredder drones in masses.
How's anti-drone technology/strategy/doctrine being developed? Genuinely curious as drones seem (to me) as the be-all and end-all of modern asymmetric warfare, specially after Nagorno-Karabakh.

Hell, i remember hearing that even advanced countries such as China and Russia had trouble problems with it.

>>1008
It’s hard to build anti drone tech because
They’re made from reflective material that can’t be detected with most radars
They’re small as shit intentionally to be hard to hit
They’re fast as fuck and hit their targets with absolute precision

These factors make trying to battle against drone an uphill conflict

>This revolution of war to be centered around staying as far away as possible from enemy troops made large scale battles pretty much obsolete

Lol just look at Stalingrad and compare the losses on the eastern front to the total size of Napoleon's army.

>>372
fpbp



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Can soldiers shoot cops of the enemy? Is this mentioned in the Geneva Conventions?
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Journalists should be considered combatants and legitimate targets in war.

>>1774
For the purposes of the Geneva Convention police count as noncombatants as long as they're not, you know, being combatants.

>>1792
Journalists should be shot on sight, war or not.

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>>1814
No, that's another meme. This one is called the soyjak.

>>1774
Under international law, any combatant can be engaged as an enemy. If police fight in a war, they can be shot. However you can't just go around massacring cops if they aren't fighting.
>>1775
That's not true. Police in most countries are legally civilians. In common law states, the power of arrest comes from the ancient right to bring an accused criminal before a court. In the US, cops are basically just a privileged class of civilians who get access to cool guns and the ability to get away with murder.



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Why are they so afraid of a smol twisted paperclip?
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reminds them of the coat hanger that scraped their little glowy feeties in the womb

3D printed DIAS is infinitely more reliable than coat hanger.

t. coat hanger sear bent out of shape after less than sixty rounds in minecraft

>>1789
>t. coat hanger sear bent out of shape after less than sixty rounds in minecraft
Good thing you can pck up more from mobs in minecraft

this thread is making me feel dumb

>>1790
>coat hanger bends out of shape after two magazines
>still have five left
>your gun misfires every other shot at best
just print a yankee boogle
yes the name is dumb, just swallow your pride and do it
or drill a third hole but fuck that noise I'm not a gunsmith

in all cases please make sure to buy an H3 buffer and adjust your gas so that your full auto is nice and smooth and doesn't result in ejection problems from going too fast



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are you ready comrades? there is a revolution coming in Canada
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>>1631
I'm actually thinking of researching mental illness in relation to gun violence as a med student just to show people that it's not the damn gun. fuck, I plan on marrying a burger just so I can get that citizenship and that sweet tax stamp for a can.

>>1680
Based lol. you can just make your own can illegally tho and use it as a flower vase or whatever if you need to hide it. I have seen some that are just as quiet as commercial cans so you can have a literally silent rifle with a bolt action 22 with susonics and ur can and it will hit and kill (your animals) within 200 yards iirc.

>>1680
i have a family member that brings up "gun facts" they learned in poly-sci back in thcci e 80s, like "households with guns are more likely to have gun deaths" like yeah and houses with bathtubs are more likely to have people die of drownings. they are terminally fukuyama brained and unable to imagine any reason to weigh the short term benefits of saving an exrta hundred or so people a year with the long term implications of consolidating power in a governing body that changes hands every couple years.

>>1683
i have found that with a 26" barrel cci quiet .22 are noticeably quieter than my pellet gun, great for small game hunting in places where you don't want to upset the neighbors, but i wouldn't try using it at 200 yards as it drops of hard after 50y like 1 foot at 80 and 2 feet at 100

>>1688
>terminally fukuyama brained
kek
stealing that one

>SU-16F out of stock everywhere



 

Aesthetic gun sounds.

Glock cleaning


>>419
why does this cartridge even exist? you’d think recoil that heavy would be a dealbreaker for a handgun

>>1668
you need thick manly wrists to wield guns made for shooting elephants

>>1670
i don't wanna shoot elephants that's fucking barbaric



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I don't have guns because it's illegal and family are anti-gun, but I did shoot an AK-47 and a Mosin Nagant when overseas. Shit was fun. (yes it was before becoming a socialist im not a lifestylist lmao) Bolt actions are just plain fun, more involved.

Pic unrelated; I have no guns
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https://www.lostarmour.info/armour/
There's another site like this that has a map. it's on sturgeon somewhere

>escape capitalism in space meme is real
https://archive.ph/SpfBr

The thing about nukes is you destroy everything in one indirect rough area hit. Fuck you don't even need to hit a target just airbust it. Think of how much work goes into the hyper-sonic cruise missiles to fire, control, directly precisely hit a single building.
The cities that are "ruined" have taken thousands of artillery shells, rockets, drones, jet airstrikes, chopper attacks, cruise missiles, mortars, shoulder fired rockets, tanks, grenades, MLRS strikes to just turn some buildings into rubble.

With a nuke, you just land a hit roughly around the area and everything is destroyed. Water, sanitation, food, farming, houses, apartments, energy, government buildings, television, hospitols, stores, pretty much everything is absolutely fucking burned to shit, and then covered with lots of nuclear fallout continuing to burn everything for years. the air is unbreathable, water undrinkable.
There is no winning for any nation that gets into a nuclear war. All heavily armed nuclear superpowers have emergency doomsday contingency plans so even if a first strike is effective against them, they have enough firepower hidden to launch retaliatory strikes from submarines, even nuclear torpedoes, possibly shipping containers smuggled into ports with nukes inside of them. Even without the nukes they have enough radiological materials to wage a horrific dirty bomb war with radioactive materials in conventional weapons.

There is no winning with nuclear war. It would destroy all nations involved, and in the case with Israel, they vow to use a Sampson option to destroy every city they can in the entire middle east and take them all down with them.

Mutually Assured Destruction was supposed to be a deterrent, not a scenario to enact.

>>1592
>low effort lounge
>posts this
also nukes aren't real

any other milsurp and historical re-enactment enthusiasts here?



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