/dead/ - Post-Left

>>6223
Propaganda isn’t a sufficient explanation for a lack of action on the part of the proletariat, the fact is that the proletariat has no room to move or act in this system that doesn’t reify it.

>>6224
>isn’t a sufficient explanation
why not ?

You only see the half truth that the proletariat is reactionary, but mistaking that the petit bourgeoisie and capitalists have revolutionary potential, that's down right wrong, because of their class positions, they cannot remove all of their limitations in their worldviews, unless they become protelariat themselves or are among elite of elites.

The proletariat is reactionary, right, that's why the USSR collapsed and reverted back to some capitalism. However, due to your class origin, you are blinded to the fact that the proletariat is also progressive. THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO TYPE OF PROLETARIATS. THE NEW AND THE OLD

The old proletariat class, having been content with living without property for so long, becomes happy with it and doesn't complain. They're truly want a happy life, in balance with nature. They're truly the progressive class of the future. Minimalist lifestyle of our modern 21th century, the lying flat people, and most Soviet citizens of 20th century are clearly example. YOUR CLAIM of them being suicidal is plainly wrong, because all of these people just want to live a simple, honest life.

But the NEW proletariat class is the true problem. Yes, people like you! They're truly suicidal, because many of them are petit-bourgeoisie that falling into ranks of proletariat, they displayed the suicidal tendency of wanting BEING IN CONTROL, AND ORDERED SOCIETY. But for true progressive, that's only the mean, not the true purpose. What is the main difference between Stalin and Hitler, Socialism and Nazism? It's exactly that, Stalin must force a rigid ordered society because ultimately his goal is to let people live a happy life, when people lives are better, then all that rigid order can be removed (he's really struggling to that before his dead, for example, removing the Politburo as a group standing higher than Central Committee, a relic from hard times of early revolution). While for Hitler, he only gave Germans better lives just for stablizing the order, making a strong country. And why I'm calling it suicidal, because that was the end of both Hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW, trying too hard to force an order, lmao.

Another kind of NEW proles are from the capitalist ranks, the CEOs, the managers, and nomenklatura, they all can be called the labour aristocracy, the elite proletariat. Yes, it's true that they are experts of managing the new economy of mankind, but because the spectre of the past, they all have the tendency to Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>6179
Of the 6th congress of the CPC, 14 of the 22 working class activists defected to the KMT later on. I am… noticinga… patternn n …

is lyotard negative proletarian theory?

>>6446
being edgy is also a spook

Most obvious cia plant movement ever award

>>6447
I’m not being edgy, im just tired. I’m going to buy a gun this weekend and do my part.

>>6449
well at least you're putting your money where your mouth is LITERALLY

Its the post-leftist goon cave

why do you meow? are you a cat?

>>6433
wait what's going? meow

I brought herring for everyone for the group meowing sesh. Meow

Left communism is too optimistic.

>>6392
The split between Damen and Bordiga was due to how they preferred to organize the party (with Damen wanting to retain Democratic Centralism while Bordiga wanted to abolish the voting system within the party, creating Organic Centralism) and which terms they used (e.g. Damen and co. defined the Soviet state as State Capitalist while Bordiga defined it as State Industrialist). Another difference between Damnites and Bordigists is the subject concerning the historical and formal party, a theory that had come up from the ICP which Damenites reject.

Here are some articles by Damen outlining why they split:
https://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2011-01-21/amadeo-bordiga-beyond-the-myth-and-the-rhetoric-0
https://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2014-10-13/you-can%E2%80%99t-build-the-party-playing-with-paradoxes

>>6389
I would like to correct my statement concerning the ICT's stance concerning unions as I have gottenit wrong due to fault memory. Damen, in "You Can’t Build the Party Playing with Paradoxes," states that:

"To this end the "Italian Left" aims to create with the permanent organisation of "factory groups", even in the midst of enormous difficulties, as training centres for ideological and political dissemination which become in fact vehicles for slogans critical of the unions. Factory groups solve the problem of contact with workers in the areas which are socially and politically the most sensitive to party propaganda, a prime and indispensable condition for a policy of recruiting new worker cadres on the basis of active militancy and revolutionary struggle."

Thus they do not suggest that ICT members infiltrate the unions and create workers' councils unlike what I said.

When are you gonna realize the proletariat have no interest in communism, communization, or whatever else you’re spewing?

>>6386
Spooky

>>6386
Bordigists are a complete joke but I do like the original left communism or council communism.

>>6428
*four wtf I'm retarded

>Alcohol is only good in very small amounts.
wrong

>>6430
trvke

>At first, like everyone, I appreciated the effect of mild drunkenness; then very soon I grew to like what lies beyond violent drunkenness, once that stage is past: a terrible and magnificent peace, the true taste of the passage of time. Although in the first decades I may have allowed only slight indications to appear once or twice a week, I was, in fact, continuously drunk for periods of several months; and the rest of the time, I still drank a lot.
he was so real for this

One of the worst drugs to get addicted to.

Life is a curse, not a gift.

>>6397
Real Engels on 'Socialism, Utopian and Scientific'.

>>6399
this is /dead/, not /leftycopiumpol/.

radicalize me more

To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.

I’m gay and employed, it sucks having a job, even worse without one.

I wouldn't trust such a person. If their main interest is sadism, surely their commitment to any cause is suspect. Just as easily as they can attach themselves to fascism or anarchism, they can just go to the other, or choose other outlets for their urges, like organized crime. Either way, they are not the driving force of fascism, even if they are useful to it, nor is sadism itself the main goal of fascists.

>>6248
OP here. I agree that sadism and fascism aren't correlated as such, but I suspect that many of those that take initiative in regards to the oppression of certain groups are. The average MAGA retard is driven mostly by fear, and sometimes hatred, of specific groups. Your average neo-nazi terrorist, on the other hand, is driven mostly by hatred, and I believe often sadism.

Take for instance the O9A, a neo-nazi terrorist group who not only advocated for your standard nazi drivel, but also reportedly practiced routine sexual violence. According to the Counter Extremism Project, one of the O9A's publications titled "The Rape Anthology" called for followers to seek "spiritual arousal from violent sexual rape."

Additionally, the CVLT network is associated with nazism and is known for making and distributing child pornography, as well as convincing minors to commit self-harm.

As for whether or not these people could be trusted if they decided to fight against fascism and the neoliberal status quo, I think that showing them that they don't need to adopt spook of nazism in order to fulfill their desires will give them a sense of freedom that they would be unlikely to give away again.

I think that this freedom, particularly for a sadist, is a very powerful motivator to avoid the hierarchy imposed by fixed and external ideas.

I definitely respect the decision to not trust them, however, as most people are limited, for better or worse, by empathy, which makes them much more predictable. That's not really something you can expect from someone whose main driving force is sadistic pleasure.

>>6249
<Okay but what if the opposite is true
What if the antisocial, neonazi sadist is not really into fascism because he truly wants a fascist society of the historical kind, but already regards "fascism" as a spook? As an excuse to inflict suffering? In that sense they are true nihilists, not an ounce of positivity, pure negation of everything. I don't think more "institutional" right-wingers see much value in them except as thugs to their dirty work, or as boogiemen to scare the population into submitting to state surveillance. Anarchism is unlikely to appeal ever appeal to this kind of personality, even individualist anarchists tend to have some positive aims.

>>6250
I agree that they aren't of much use to the institutional right-wing of today, but seeing how contemporary American politics has been progressing, I wouldn't put anything past them.

As for the hypothetical nihilistic sadist who uses these neo-nazi groups for his own ends, the main benefits of individualist anarchism would be organizational and interpersonal. Insurrectionary anarchists have all but perfected the use of informal small affinity groups. This organizational model has the benefit of being very hard to track and infiltrate, which would definitely be useful to the sadist. While there's technically nothing stopping these groups from adopting such tactics themselves, it's unlikely that any of them would deviate from a hierarchical structure, judging by the authoritarian nature of their ideals. As for the interpersonal benefit, the sadist can be honest with themselves and others about the driving force behind their actions and relations, making for easier communication and longer-lasting relations.

But I'm a masochist and I'm an anarchist

>>4211
Brennan got digusted by what happend to 8chan, so the moderation of new 420chan could be stricter.

>>4206
>coming soon…
I really enjoyed 420chan while it was around. Glad to see it's back

НУЛЬЧАН LIVES

100% anarchy no exceptions, no retreat.

>>6408
Democracy? Autocracy? Who cares? Governments prevent a just society from being formed. If one person has more power over another, there will be an imbalance that can be prevented by anarchism