[ home / rules / faq / search ] [ overboard / sfw / alt ] [ leftypol / edu / labor / siberia / lgbt / latam / hobby / tech / games / anime / music / draw / AKM ] [ meta ] [ wiki / shop / tv / tiktok / twitter / patreon ] [ GET / ref / marx / booru ]

/dead/ - Post-Left

Name
Options
Subject
Comment
Flag
File
Embed
Password(For file deletion.)
What is 6 - 2?

In for some red terror?
15% off on selected items with promo code "SPOOKY" at shop.leftypol.org

| Catalog | Home
|

 

>Communism is impossible in the West today, even if it lingers on in places like North Korea, academia, and online discourse. The organization of labour into effective groups for political agitation is a remnant of a bygone era; one of mass industrial production, and one in which it was totally normal to be employed at the same job for decades. The proletariat is a largely an illusion in the West, and is rendered all the more so a mirage in countries like the USA where the individual striver is more central to recent history and culture than collective bargaining. People want to escape from the proletariat! Social Democracy remains a strong presence in the West, buttressed by government workers who routinely turn out to vote to continue such policies.

Do you agree with this?
5 posts omitted.

>>5815
>>defeatist thread #131125125
Remember to report and bully the janies into action, anons.

Yeah communism isn’t in the west; they only taxed the rich, forced public ownership of heavy industries; provided social securities; and forced social and economic equality laws

>>5819
Social democracy isn't socialism

File: 1732902698220.png (378.54 KB, 1080x1080, ClipboardImage.png)

>Communism is impossible in the West today, even if it lingers on in places like North Korea, academia, and online discourse.
If you mean by "communism" and "today", establishing a socialist state in the near future, sure, because there is no organisation of the communists and the workers movements are very very weak.
>The organization of labour into effective groups for political agitation is a remnant of a bygone era; one of mass industrial production, and one in which it was totally normal to be employed at the same job for decades.
Here is where you show you are historically illiterate. The phenemonon of long term employment at a single firm only happened in one period of history, from the 50s to roughly the 80s early 90s. Not exactly the height of communism in the west. Before that, it was far far far more common to live precariously. Europe was filled with slums up until they did social democratic rebuilding and building commie blocks in the 50s. You had no, absolutely no, security, people fought street battles with company security, there were shootouts between the army and unions. If you are so delusional to think that "people just worked at the same place for decades on end" you aren't even worth having a serious discussion with. Honest advice, go watch some documentaries on working conditions of the first half of the 20th century.
>The proletariat is a largely an illusion in the West, and is rendered all the more so a mirage in countries like the USA where the individual striver is more central to recent history and culture than collective bargaining.
Whether or not people delude themselves into thinking they are temporarily embarrased millionaires doesnt change the fact the the proletariat as a class exists and is even larger than it was than at any point in history, both in absolute and relative terms.
>People want to escape from the proletariat!
That was not any different. And just like the west pre-ww2, that is a pipe dream.
>Social Democracy remains a strong presence in the West, buttressed by government workers who routinely turn out to vote to continue such policies.
Another delusional take. Social democracy has been either not in power or effectively dismantled for decades already. In the UK, the labour party was couped by neolibs in the 90s. Countries liPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>5812
Anybody that still believes in the "Post-industrial era" is a complete fucking hack that can be dismissed outright.
>>5818
>Remember to report and bully the janies into action, anons.
Be careful! You don't want to get banned for "report abuse". After all, atrocity propaganda and regime change apologism are legitimate discourse!



File: 1730278316471.png (19.27 KB, 123x165, ClipboardImage.png)

 

>anarchists create a flag
>its just plain black
>because that's their color, black
>it symbolizes no state; it's an anti-flag
alright, cool
>be ancom
>HURR LETS PUT RED ON IT
[repeat as necessary with other anarcho-* variants]
6 posts omitted.

>>5693
>and not every kind of anarchism is socialist.
This.

>>5686
Ok and? What the fuck is the point of this thread?

>>5694
>private police of private states force you into private court that sentences you into a private prison
So this is the power of ancrapism.

>>5711
this. op this is just bitching, this isnt despair at the world. why the fuck isnt this on /leftypol/ or /siberia/ instead?

File: 1732216967675.png (720.49 KB, 3300x1741, flag8.png)




 

Is uzumaki post-left?
25 posts and 5 image replies omitted.

>>5174
>guilt by association
Oh, great, another post-leftist getting cancelled. Sure never happened before.

I'm not saying it's impossible for him to do it but really. Post-leftists are despised not just by conservatives but by progressives too. And even if Wolfi did justify child molestation (from what I heard from others it was a misunderstanding) does it really devalue what he wrote? Such a hypocritical thinking: appreciating the author's work but doing a complete 180 when they do something you don't like.

Also, it's not the first controversial thing Stirnerites have said, it kinda comes with the ideology. Walker said ethnic violence makes perfect sense and Tucker said it's okay for a mother to throw her baby into the fire. The thing is, Stirnerites do not "justify" anything, they simply say that something makes sense in a certain context. Walker didn't say the racist workers weren't spooked and Tucker didn't say that you should throw a baby into the fire. But the context is once again lost on other people because their brains are wired differently.

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/desolationpomo-how-to-argue-with-moral-nihilists-without-strawmanning-more-than-a-cornfield-101

>>5176 (me)
Now that I think about it, we're all Richard Stallman: we all say outrageous shit and then people misinterpret what we say as something way more disturbing to them than it really is. Stirnerites are particularly prone to this 'cause they can be real edgelords. The real counter-force to 4chan.

>is pop culture media le funny ideology????????
desperate for threads arent we

>>5131
Here's a good series with a similar vibe.

The uzumaki adult swim series sucked so bad…
Years wasted on fans getting hyped only to receive a the most rushed piece of shit ever. How the fuck did they think they can implement horror without any suspense and no breaks?



File: 1730642682957.jpg (63.93 KB, 636x732, 1730295325703062.jpg)

 

Communism is inherently idealist.
Communism is an unachievable social state.
Marxism is fully idealist in assuming there will be an end to history.
War, war never changes

this is an interesting analysis but have you tried fingering my anus?

>>5696
Of course it's a transhumanist

>>5695
>Communism is inherently idealist.
I AGREE

>Marxism is fully idealist in assuming there will be an end to history.

<You are also fully idealist in assuming there won't be an end to history.

>>5695
no you are the idealist. this is like saying money will always exist because taxation is 'universal'. imagine for one second that war was not just an immutable principle, but an act contigent on the material needs of a nation. it follows that abolishing the anarchy of production, that creates artificial scarcities, will alleviate the main catalyst for war. noting all of that, marxism doesn't even assume there will be an end to history, only stages of history higher than the current one.

>>5695
Blah blah blah idealizumm!!
lobotomize urself



File: 1727335379051.png (501.08 KB, 500x850, ClipboardImage.png)

 

"Hey chinlets,
My name is Jackson, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, retarded, cringelords who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass pictures. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any strange? I mean, I guess it's fun making based of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to videos on tiktok.
Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much the rizzler. I was captain of the football team, and starter on my basketball team. What sports do you play, other than "jack off to drawings of anime girls"? I also get straight A's, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just ate my ass; Shit was SO skibid). You are all faggits who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.
Pic Related: It's me and my wifey 4 lifey"

damn this board rly is /dead/ now



 

Marx is a faggot who got nojob, had nomoney, did norevolution, and whose entire collected body of work is essentially the shrieking rage of a bottled-up poorfag made manifest through pseud reasoning which falsely places himself in a movement of history of 'unfair worker exploitation' and that 'if only society wasn't so dang SCREWED UP we'd be happy and doing r-really good ok?????
his ideas are essentially irrelevant to anyone besides incredibly angsty and self-styled intellectual deviant adolescents, who can relate to his angst turned outwards to society, but only because of they don't have pocket change
the grand sweep of history has utterly shattered and swept away his ideas through far superior and eternal recognition of things like the Rights to Property, the basic Dignity of Human Life, Free and Fair Trade and also a far-more mature and sophisticated understanding of "What actually works in the real world and could actually be implemented as opposed to masturbating on dead political economists?"
By the metric of history's currents and impact, Frédéric Bastiat and Alexis de Tocqueville are gigachads whose massive fucking cocks essentially penetrated and impregnated the most fertile of all societies whereas Marx was hanging out with the Trotskyists at the least populated lunch table farthest away from the popular kids. They think themselves superior in their exile but really it's because they look and smell and talk and act like pedantic faggots.

>>5671
Marx got 9000% more bitches than you faggot.



 

So you think you are a worthless NEET? Let's see what uncle Ted has to say:
>The people whose behavior is fairly well under the control of the system are those of the type that might be called “bourgeois.” But there are growing numbers of people who in one way or another are rebels against the system: welfare leeches, youth gangs, cultists, satanists, Nazis, radical environmentalists, militia-men, etc.

NEETs are rebelling against the system! We are part of the rebellion! Ted is based!!!
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/fc-industrial-society-and-its-future
196 posts and 37 image replies omitted.

Ted on Marx:

>Many writers, beginning with Karl Marx, have noted the fundamental importance of technology in determining the course of society’s development. In effect, they have recognized that it is technology that rules society, not the other way around.


https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-forward-to-technological-slavery

>>5422
That is right, just like bureaucracy
"The bureaucracy is a circle from which no one can escape. Its hierarchy is a hierarchy of knowledge."
And
"Technology discloses man's mode of dealing with Nature, the process of production by which he sustains his life, and thereby also lays bare the mode of formation of his social relations, and of the mental conceptions that flow from them."

Ok, here is my take on Ted K. :
His ideology and his actions are just his personal way to cope with existence. You read it in his manifesto, he dedicated an entire section to "surrogate activities". In his view, these activities are fake and therefore bad. But since there is no truth and no meaning in existence anyway, there can't be fake activities. ANY KIND of activity is a surrogate activity. So no matter what you do, it doesn't matter in the end. You will die and the universe will also die someday. He did the same thing we all do: He created his ideology purely out of psychological needs in order to cope with existence! Nihilism says: There is no goal. Many people don't want to accept this and so they just create their own goals/meaning. For some people it is "god", for others "socialism", "community" etc. and for Ted K, he created his primitivist ideology. Or in other words:
Pomni: So, our entire existence here is just…LARPing?
Nietzsche (chad face): Yes.

based on what?

>>5245
Ted wasn't an anprim. We was only against Industrial Society. Anprims are against both Industrial and Agricultural society.



 

Genuine question from a none communist/anarchist.
first, I sympathaise with those two ideas, I really do. I have a burning passionate hatred for all the negative aspects of humanity, from greed to sadism.
I'm not very well read on anarchism or communism (the likes of marx and even hegel never interested me), so I'm mostly going by personal observation. from what I understand communists believe that money (capitalism) corrupts the human being and that by removing the cultural meme of capitalism, communism would florish. at least in simple terms, correct?

whenever I engage in chatter about this topic, eventually it comes down to human nature. almost all far leftists believe some form of the blank-slate. I don't. I never understood why this idea is taken seriously at all. isn't it obvious that a lot of human bias is hardwired into us from birth rather than influnced by enviornent?
especially the more basal desires and behaviours like greed? do you really believe that money is what corrupts people rather than that they're born greedy? and if you're a communist/anarchist that doesn't blieve in the blankslate, how do justify what you believe?
24 posts and 2 image replies omitted.

>>5662
>>5663
I think you ought to take your meds.

>There were members of the commoners and capitalists who never wanted "bourgeois values",

They're irrelevant. Why was the French revolution able to abolish feudalism? Because French society had reached a point where decaying feudal relations were a barrier to the futher development of society, which could only take place with the destruction of these relations.

HUEMON NATUR is not real lol, finds proofs(you cant). No one goes around pointingat oak trees and salmon like "every individual of this organism is imbued to be ontologically evil and greedy for the rest of time" or "yeah every southern red oak on earth is has a natural tendency towards greed and theres just nothing we can do about it" This is basically textbook idealism where you pull some random philosophical concept out of your ass and say the all of material reality is actually controlled by this random ass ideal(i.e. mind over matter).


Humans are animals in material world there are no inherent set of fixed morals and ethics that come with it, these "basal desires" you speak of are just primate behavior and no one goes around saying every baboon on earth is a good or bad person. Libs that invoke my muh human nature might as well invoke the soul or actual fucking magic. Not to mention 9 times of 10 the human nature arguement just devolves in cringey ass misanthropy "everyone is evil wahwawah we can never have anyhting good happen wahwahwah" like if thats the case just kys fr

HUEMON NATUR is not real lol, finds proofs(you cant). No one goes around pointingat oak trees and salmon like "every individual of this organism is imbued to be ontologically evil and greedy for the rest of time" or "yeah every southern red oak on earth is has a natural tendency towards greed and theres just nothing we can do about it" This is basically textbook idealism where you pull some random philosophical concept out of your ass and say the all of material reality is actually controlled by this random ass ideal(i.e. mind over matter).


Humans are animals in material world there are no inherent set of fixed morals and ethics that come with it, these "basal desires" you speak of are just primate behavior and no one goes around saying every baboon on earth is a good or bad person. Libs that invoke my muh human nature might as well invoke the soul or actual fucking magic. Not to mention 9 times of 10 the human nature arguement just devolves in cringey ass misanthropy "everyone is evil wahwawah we can never have anyhting good happen wahwahwah" like if thats the case just kys fr

You'd think a board for people against moralism and eternal values would be less retarded.

>>5664
Feudalism ended because a new ruling clique were kicking out those who didn't get in the big club, not because of "abstract social forces" that exist in a grand narrative. This was understood at the time. By destroying the feudal order, the Assembly was saying "we're in charge, not these assholes" - and they were also not too happy that the peasants took matters into their own hands, basically because they could and the Jacobins / agentur gave them the signal that doing so wouldn't really be punished as it would be any other time.

But really, "feudalism ended" a long time ago, because it was kept alive by selling venal office to the sort of people who decided they could just make a republic and vote themselves free money basically. That's what they always do, and it didn't take long for the Jacobins to do it with the assignot, and then set up a revolutionary dictatorship to try and keep it together. I think you should also figure out from that example by the way - revolutionary dictatorships are a terrible idea. That's why Marx recommended them - to derail the socialists and make sure they would fail and be as unpleasant as possible, until it was time to really shit up humanity with his next stunt.



 

>be born
>parents fuck you up
>unable to grow into an independent adult due to fuck up
>society demands you pull yourself by your bootsraps
what the fuck is this bullshit? no wonder there are so many mass shooters out there.

>do not mean to fuck you up
lol if only

>>5637
lol grim



File: 1632514508150.jpg (87.76 KB, 680x453, trot.jpg)

 

Eighty eight years of the day Trotsky directed the suppression of the anarchist uprising in Krondstadt, a group of bandits scaled the walls of his former house in Mexico City during the late hours at night. We broke the lock on his mausoleum and we expropriate the content inside it: a silver large vase that bears the inscription of his name, wrapped in the red scarf that he carried around the neck, containing the ashes of the corpse inside. We replace with care the lock in the monument with a reproduction that was similar in the appearance and escaped into the night.

The vase along with its content then was taken far away to a place where the vase was discarded and the content (a combination of ash and bone) were baked in cookies. These cookies then were sent, along with a letter that explains our actions, to newspapers, to organizations of Trotskyists, and to the groups of anarchist around the world.

While we will not repeat everything of our full letter, briefly we propose to give new light to the idea that history does not end with the past and still a small group of bandits can give new direction to fights thought long to be frozen in the time. We want to expand the fight to include dead objects of the past that hold hostage us in the present.

Nevertheless, if Trotsky is right about the history, we do not determine anything, but we are only characters whose actions were written in the revolution of October. As was his destiny, coincidentally, to come to be a cookie.

The ones that receive these cookies have a decision. Through time, the act to consume enemies have been seen as a way to absorb their powers. On the other hand, consuming the body and the blood of the dead person as a sacrament have also been a form of worship. We would want to indicate that, at any rate, the result is always shit.

For those a little delicate, we have tried them, and although they be a little sandy, they are delicious. The green dots, by the way, they are just candies.

File: 1720336045048.gif (4.65 MB, 498x280, edp.gif)




Delete Post [ ]
[ home / rules / faq / search ] [ overboard / sfw / alt ] [ leftypol / edu / labor / siberia / lgbt / latam / hobby / tech / games / anime / music / draw / AKM ] [ meta ] [ wiki / shop / tv / tiktok / twitter / patreon ] [ GET / ref / marx / booru ]
[ 1 /2 /3 /4 /5 /6 /7 /8 /9 /10 /11 /12 /13 /14 /15 /16 /17 /18 /19 /20 /21 /22 /23 /24 /25 /26 /27 /28 /29 /30 /31 /32 /33 /34 /35 ]
| Catalog | Home