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Max Stirner was Fredrich Engels's pseudonym. Karl Marx learned of Stirner only through Engels. Engels was a closet egoist but didn't want to come to blows with Marx so he created this character to show Marx his ideas. Marx hated it and wrote The German Ideology. The rest is history.
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yeah I heard this theory before, I think its partially true


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It's obvious. "Stirner" "died" of a bug bite, which is absurd, and nobody attended his funeral except Bruno Bauer, who also arranged the funeral, and his grave lists him as "Max Stirner" rather than his actual real name, there aren't even photographs of him. We think he exists because Engels and Marx and other Young Hegelians said he did, they made him up and gave him an entire philosophy of spooks as a big joke because he is himself a spook.


>nobody attended his funeral except Bruno Bauer
That's rough.


Unless Engels faked an entire life's worth of writings, documents and other people's personal accounts for a period of decades, that's bullshit.

It was not a bug bite, but a common tumor which was suggested to be because of the bite of a poisonous fly. The grave is listed as Max Stirner because that's the name he used most often in his later years, and all who cared about him by the time of his death would have referred to him as such. The lack of photographs can be explained by a combination of chance and the fact that he lived in poverty for a significant amount of his life and was a very cloistered person.


I doubt it otherwise das kapital would be tainted


Sorry for the shitpost, but what's the point of this board? I didn't even know it existed. I'll delete this shitpost after my question is answered.
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what's the point of anything?


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to have fun and watch while the world around us slowly wastes away


>Have fun

After the riots died down now it is just back to being cynical and jaded.


>to watch others have fun and watch while the world around us slowly wastes away*


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Greetings /dead/, I wanted to ask your thoughts on Max Stirner and was pointed here from /edu/. His ideas somehow appeal to me. As I understood he basically says that morality and religious and social norms are void "spooks". By freeing oneself of these concepts, one can follow one's own will. By cooperation and mutual interest one can then happily coexist and live with other individuals. Did I get that right? E.g. knowingly not caring about the suffering of others kind of feels bad, not sure if that is a "spook", too. What would Stirner say to solidarity?


> What would Stirner say to solidarity?
I have a fellow-feeling with every feeling being.

In my opinion the key to understanding The Unique and Its Property is Stirner's article "Art and Religion". It's not that good and the thick Hegelian jargon is a bit hard to decipher but it lays down the problem statement and goal of the ego book in a pretty straightforward way. At least in my headcanon.


Post-leftism (most closely associated with post-left anarchism because anarchists are a lot more open to criticizing their forebears failures and foibles than a lot of other left tendencies, *but are by no means perfect about this*) is a critique of the self-castration of the left by its insistence on being boring and labyrinthine and just generally unbearable. A lot of leftists don't like that, but the results leftists have had impeding the creeping doom of this neoliberal hellscape speak for themselves. We suck at changing the modern world, and we aren't going to stop sucking at it until we stop clinging to outmoded models of political and economic change.

To be clear, I'm a communist. I'm an anarchist. I even like Soviet imagery, that stark red flag with the gold star, hammer, and sickle is fucking *electric*. Peak aesthetic, my god that flag is gorgeous. But we're not gonna get anywhere jerking off the corpses of men who've been dead for a century. If "leftist" politics are about aesthetic and feeling special? Sure, have at it. But if we want to help people, and make the world better, we need better models of organization and praxis that aren't just more of a drag on our already-burdened souls. We need protests and political rallies and stuff to be fun and emotive and thrilling, not boring fucking marches like the libs love so much.

I will never see mature communism, mature anarchy. I won't live that long. If I do, great! I'll be stoked as hell. But I won't. And that's okay, I don't need to. Anarchy is a guiding principle for me, it is my North Star. So it doesn't fucking matter if I organize with non-anarchists, does it, as long as our goals are in the same direction of making regular people's lives better and loosening the chains around all of our necks? This is why socdems, yes, cringe as they are, have so much more success than anarchists whining about how the Black Army was dong wrong or MLs talking about how *AKCHUALLY* Stalin did nothing wrong because \[blah blah fuckin blah, who cares the man's been dead since fifty-three give it a goddamn rest\], and all that have absolutely no fucking relevance. That's all *way* more cringe than socdems or electoral politics are. Sure, sucks Makhno and Ukraine got done raw by the Bolsheviks. What does this information empower me to do today? Instead of talking about theoretical bullshit a hundred years ago or a hundred years from now, socdems are actually talking about thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


>> 1976 thanks, I started reading it

>> 1977 interesting thoughts! I guess in general the more power you have over yourself, the more work/time it consumes compared to decisions being made for you. Maybe if discussions and votes don't take place in form of a gathering, but asynchronously like in a forum that could allow to only participate in stuff one is interested in.


>Did I get that right?
Yeah pretty much I agree with you so far.

>E.g. knowingly not caring about the suffering of others kind of feels bad, not sure if that is a "spook", too.

If you only cared because it was a moral expectation that made you care in the first place, that would be spooked in the sense that you try to correspond to an idea of good that entails that you are only good, a real person, when you care. This idea would be a fixed one and you would behave according to it.
However, I think most people would feel bad for them out of empathy, out of their own desire that others dont suffer.

>What would Stirner say to solidarity?

This is a part that alot of ppl get wrong about Stirner on first glance because of his strong defence of self-interest - but said interest isn't vulgar as in 'only doing things that enrich you materially'. Because Stirner was a pupil of Hegel and not some libertarian market fanatic he sees humans as social. We use each other according to our desires, but that desires also include the desire for friendship or love. As >>1976 quoted, he feels a fellow feeling towards feeling beings, empathy. In fact, it haven't been the egoists (as Stirner defines them, those centering their action on their unique being and desire) who caused and carried out the greatest atrocities in history, but selfless people, involuntarily acting in the name of something outside themselves (god, the race, the nation).
One of my favourite allegories here is that only an egoist gifts a friend a present out of his own desire, while the involuntary actor, who does it because it's the right thing to do, or it's custom and expected from them, always has other motives behind his action.
Egoism doesnt set rules for any behavior, its rather the consequent critique of such rules. If you find it fulfilling to show solidarity because it's your inner desire, it's an egoist act.

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>he who does not work shall not eat
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tbf the bible can be based
>"I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
if i was christcom gang i'd have this tattooed on the faces of the former rich.


I mean sure, it can definitely be to some extent, specially liberation theology, but it has limitations given the reactionary character of religious dogma, if anything it should only be approached as a vector for recruitment and radicalization rather than an ideological basis for any movement.


soviet model failed because they tried to give everyone a job. not everyone needs a job for all of us to have our needs met. Working should be a voluntary choice and those who choose to work should be praised as well as given some sort of compensation beyond the basics that everyone gets. Workers should be ranked into categories depending on their efficiency/effort and given bonuses if they are a hard worker. Honestly, just some pride payment would be enough for most people. If youre growing food to feed people and are praised for serving society, thats a lot more satisfying than working way harder for some pointless sales job trying to get people to buy stuff they dont need.


Ideological supermarket, as any supermarket, is only fit for looting


>Working should be a voluntary choice and those who choose to work should be praised as well as given some sort of compensation beyond the basics that everyone gets.
Based, except I disagree with the pride/praise thing, I think if it's an actual job it should have material compensation. But yeah, everyone should get the same basic stuff and then choose how much they want to work.
It's the ideal, anyway. I wouldn't think it's possible in the early stages of socialist society. How do you think the Soviets should have done it?

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Capitalism has stolen from us the ability to be our best selves. That much is for certain within the framework of bourgeois society. What I've been pondering is the endgame or tactile convictions of individual reclamation. To me action for the sake of it seems to be a conscious suicide mission. Is this a misinterpretation or am i correct in assuming? I say this as somebody who has become disillusioned with the abilities of agitation in the context of neoliberal society. Never before been a namefag on any iteration of /leftypol/ but thought it'd be worth starting to if i'm now /dead/ inside.
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>nything in between seems to be irreverent and irrelevant.
Why is this a bad thing?


>Do you think simply surviving is being your best self?
There is no best self. We exist is individuals with the properties we have, any idea of a 'better self' is just an inmaterial vision of might or ought be. The ideal can never be fully realised because of it's ideal status, ideas can not be transportet into material reality without loosing much of their content simply BECAUSE they are ideal and not material.
There is no better version of ourselves waiting for us to realise it, we simply are what we are.


It's not in itself but to me you are either in it for yourself or for the greater body of like minded. You could directly take revenge against the individuals or systems that wronged you. By doing so you will be made into a caricature. A threat to bourgeois society only in your actions. Rather than the implications of why someone would ever do such things. We have learned all we have and seen all we witnessed just to have no say in the matters of our lives. Will we be vindicated? Maybe so, but we won't be around to find out.

What i meant by "best self" is accessing the tools and resources to find our full potentials. Or in the very least putting mechanisms in place to strive towards our goals. I guess it's hard to come to terms with being lied to my entire childhood. "You can grow up to be whatever you want" what a crock of shit.


It's been awhile, but when looking over this thread i feel like i should clarify what i meant in OP. The things capitalist society directly or indirectly stole from us is our time and energy. Be it the physical exertions of wage labor. The mental distractions of advertising and commodity consumption. The time and energies of everyone are utilized poorly in profit seeking schemes not of our own. Resources wasted instead of used in construction of something truly great. All avenues of our respective daily lives are filled to the brim with these unavoidable obstacles. In attempts to avoid these energy saps to the best of our abilities we no longer participate in society. What does this mean in the grand scheme of post leftism? You tell me because if you're here i am not saying something you do not already know. Obviously, continued existence is a form of resistance. Except only when our beliefs influence or in a way justify actions to ourselves does it create noticeable changes in the mind of a radical.

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Hello /dead/, do you have any plans for staying here or are you making your own site?
If you do plan on staying, do you wish to be displayed on the overboard?
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doot doot


I'm not going to get Matrix just to find out if there's a new board in the works, but I'm willing to download Matrix to get updates on a new board in the works. Is this worth my time?


dunno bro, seems pretty fickle rn




>do you have any plans for staying here or are you making your own site?
I obviously won't speak for /dead/ but I personally will stay here except if the majority of /dead/ would leave to a new site.
I won't use matrix, I only like imageboards.

>do you wish to be displayed on the overboard?

I think it's a good idea, it will attract new bloods but without giving to much attention on /dead/.

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Don't know about anyone else, but I prefer sludge metal.


Don't know about anyone else, but I prefer crustgrind.


Don't know about anyone else, but I prefer prog metal.


a.k.a. indiemetal


he was really fucking hot though. I'd let him do whatever he wanted to me

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fuck this place if the jannies want to delete our board, we're talking about alternatives, making a new site. n1x is there but not talking right now, would be nice if they wanna take head of the project for a new /dead/site of some kind, come talk alternatives with us
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>every board is nuked
>/dead/ takes it personally
Bye bye faggots.


>/dead/ is a person
commie brainrot


/dead/ is people, yes. Retard.


more reductionism, how expected of marxists kek


its a community
it can have multiple rooms in it, and have an html description
sort of just a hub linking together different places and where you can find other shit related to a room

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Oh God oh Fuck I genuinely thought we were going to get stuck on bunker, glad we are back here
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I have a bad feeling that we're going to hemorrhage users in ways that other boards won't, since it's damn hard to get new users. Better slow than too fast, at least.


Yeah but /dead/ is still a hidden board.
At least, it keeps tankies, socdems and redlibs away but it will be hard to get new posters that way.


You guys appear on the overboard catalog, at least thats how I found this thread.
I assume most people are using the overboard catalog too, so you guys will have new posters coming in


/dead/ posts did appear on overboard back in Flunkerchan too IIRC.


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Personally I don't know if I support the creation of a new website, it is much comfier to lurk here. Any new developments from the matrix room?

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…Hello? Is anyone here?
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Seeth and cope bitch.


you literally backed up this board when you had the choice you mongs, you're really desperate


shut up fag
if they want to go let them go, although I wouldn't mind if they stayed, it'd be pretty cool too


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finding posts from numbers, pls ignore
based wvobbly lmao

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