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Does Post Left Anarchism have any direct relation with Anarcho-Nihilism?
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&gt&gt114>anti-collectivist (anti-politics, imo) &gt&gt115Aren't we talking about the same political tradition that is against any programmes, platforms, collective lines – collective organization as such?Insurrectionism as strategy, conceived in this negative way, is hardly more than aestheticization of post-politics. It disbands structures for theatrics, seeks catharsis from carnival. It's an ideological mirror of the hegemonic presented as radicalism: panacea against the atomized individual? More individualism!>capitalism is destroying itself well enough without our interventionWithout a guarantee of what comes next, collective inaction will surely contribute to the best future possible! Spontaneity is on our side!

&gt&gt118Listen here you fucking autist, maybe you should actually do something other than shitpost your smug bullshit about insurrectionism if you've clearly never read anything at all about it. Insurrectionism and post-left anarchy in general is opposed to formal, permanent organizations - not organizations based on affinity, which can be spontaneous and small or can be large and long-lasting. Whatever the case may be, the whole point is that these groups argue for organization that doesn't just end up creating more hierarchies and actively dismiss individual members of the organization and de-legitimate anyone who is outside the organization.>Without a guarantee of what comes next, collective inaction will surely contribute to the best future possible! Spontaneity is on our side!And once again that isn't what I was saying, and in fact I made that point quite clear in the post you responded to, and once again you're posting smug bullshit and ignoring the rest of my post.

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&gt&gt119>maybe you should actually do something other than shitpost your smug bullshit about insurrectionism if you've clearly never read anything at all about itI've actually read The Coming Insurrection, Debord, several anarcho-nihilist texts (I'm pretty certain I was the first to mention Monsieur Dupont on Leftypol), and I'm familiar with the most prominent scholar on insurrectionism/situationism in Eastern-Europe, G. M. Tamás, and I'm also familiar with Socialisme ou Barbarie group's main ideas and its later splinters, but from these mostly with Castoriadis and Lyotard.>opposed to formal, permanent organizationsYeah, but, you know, in theory at least, communists are against permanent organizations as well, since we want to abolish the proletariat as class. Your rant seems to indicate that you'd deny this as well.>organizations based on affinity, which can be spontaneous and small or can be large and long-lastingI look at at the organizational ideas (communes, affinity-groups) and practical aims (sabotage, terror) laid down by the Invisible Committee with sympathy, but the group's subsequent attempts and ultimate failure (and probably abandonment of the project altogether), not to mention the (sorry for my [i]sectarian[/i] [i]dogmatist[/i] leftypol term) anarchokiddies pointing at them and doing nothing more than carnivals, destruction of property at protests and clashes with the popo, was all predictable if one knew criticisms of individualism and Utopian-socialism.>organization that doesn't just end up [delegitimizing] anyone who is outside the organization.(So, hold on to your pooper bag, it's my time to accuse you of bad things.) It seems to me that you are not familiar with the dynamics of 20st century communism, and I'm thinking specifically about the history of the communist internationals. If you look at Lenin's proposals at the third ("Twenty-one Conditions") you'll see him doing two things: building adhesion and introducing a line of differentiation. You could interpret this as an attempt at delegitimization (of socdems, anarchists et al.) and sectarianism, but I think that the "Leninist truth" in these moments is the discarding of the fantasy of unprincipled unity, of "anything goes" politics, of the idea that politics proper doesn't require a line drawn in the sand – a fantasy I keep detecting from anarchists, when they valorize consensus, temporal affinity, and so on. If I really had to use your terms, I Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

&gt&gt120Woah, TGM is known outside Hungary?




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I'm gone for two weeks and suddenly this board exists and we're at war with wheelchan.I've never even heard of "post-leftism". What the fuck are you people?

It is a secret plot by the [i]Jews[/i] [i]porky[/i] [i]liberals[/i] Irish to destroy /leftypol/ and the remnants of the Old Left once and for all and replace it with lifestylist capitalist enabling! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

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>So we could say that nihilism is the negative subjectivation of finitude; it is fundamentally the organised or anarchic (either is possible) consciousness that because we die, nothing is important. The most classic figure of nihilism is the statement that everything is devalued, de-symbolised and untenable in the face of death. It is an equalisation of the totality of everything that could be valued, faced with the radical ontological finitude that death represents. This question of the relation between nihilism and values is, as you know, a central question in Nietzsche’s philosophy, which takes up this theme of nihilism in order to make a very important diagnostic and critical use of it.http://mariborchan.si/text/articles/alain-badiou/down-with-death/

So which conception of /death/ do you find appropriate?Heidegger's 'immanent death' or Badiou's external one?Am I too opportunistic for seeing them as compatible (one an existentialist approach, and the other as logics)?

Zizek criticizes this very articles by Badiou in part 2 of his newest seminar, titled "Surplus-Value, Surplus-Enjoyment, Surplus-Knowledge":Part 1: http://mariborchan.si/audio/slavoj-zizek/surplus-value-surplus-enjoyment-surplus-knowledge/Part 2: http://backdoorbroadcasting.net/2016/04/slavoj-zizek-masterclass-2-surplus-value-surplus-enjoyment-surplus-knowledge/He reasserts the Hegelian/Freudian immanence of limitation, that is, he denies the Heiddegerian conception of death as something exterior. (Death drive.)Highly recommended.

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&gt&gt188>he denies the Heiddegerian* conception of death as something exteriorBadiouian* conception of death as sg exterior!Sorry, for mixing that up!Also: fuck this fucking site: THIS IS THE ONLY PROPER THEORY THREAD AND NOBODY GIVES A FUGG :^(

&gt&gt189gimmie a few hours and I'll post something.

Ok let's see here.First off, I consider myself a Freudian and Todestrieb is an integral part of that theory.So my real criticism (in which I agree with Zizek) is that humans are inherently complex and contradictory creatures, we are self-sabotaging. Thus I'm generally critical of this Spinozist notion of conatus, it seems to imply a certain rationality in our drives that might be more based on how we want to perceive ourselves rather than the actual behaviour. This can be seen in as everyday circumstances as our fear to act. We fear the pain of rejection more than the pain of an unrealized fantasy - in the latter we console ourselves with temporal possibilities (if I could just go back in time…).We're to a certain extent creatures that enjoy our life's tragedy.On a side-note, I still generally consider a Spinozist reading of (at least young) Marx to hold a lot of weight. I'm currently reading The German Ideology but even in Capital we can find a certain idea of labour as conatus.This becomes even more noticeable in the 'culture' of later Marxists, just look at the ideas of socialist realism (necessary labour into an act of pleasure)!&gt&gt139&gt&gt189Wait don't Badiou continue from Heidegger? Now I need to re-read it.



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ITT we talk about how petty-bourgeois or full on capitalist we used to be.syndicalism will allow us to continue our consumption and continue the spectacle (me a few years ago)
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&gt&gt155> that they went through a naive phase in which they believed there would be some great revolution all at once right?! Reading the earlier Marxists makes me believe this too (and I'm still sympathetic to it), but now I just think capitalism will probably kill us all before any meaningful change happens. But you know here's to 15/hr minimum wage!

&gt&gt156>but now I just think capitalism will probably kill us all before any meaningful change happens.This so much. Capitalism will make this planet uninhabitable before we ever have global socialism.

>we talk about how petty-bourgeois or full on capitalist we used to be.Used to be a full on Libertarian.As many nerds in my teenage years, was pissed that I wasn't popular and girls didn't like me, so I took contrarian positions to my peers in order to justify a superiority complex.Climate Change wasn't real.Smoking doesn't cause cancer.Blacks are genetically stupid. etc etc.When I actually broke out of my shell, got out of high school, got new friends. The need to be a contrarian edgelord faded away and those views quickly dissipated. Within months of actually being in the workforce under the thumb of my beloved "Captains of industry", I was a Socialist.

I read the first third of Atlas Shrugged without knowing the context and I liked it. I saw it as a just slightly more grounded version of Gurren Lagann because the story contextualizes itself with that Icarus reinterpretation and I identified with the guy who hated his family. I might have to groan through the rest if I tried it now though because I really couldn't enjoy the Harrison Bergeron episode of My Little Pony.

>tsk, fucking lefties, obviously we need to give all power to the most intelligent and rational people - like me. Unlike everyone else these select few will be able to act in a truly altruistic way, also robots.



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&gt&gt116>more "ur just an autist and everything u say is worthless" shitpostingCry moar lad.

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&gt&gt117>Telling me to cry moar after having a massive sperg rage on /leftypol/ about someone "following you around" and having a "vendetta" against you

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&gt&gt123Well, if that's not trolling it could be legit psychosis.n3x, if you feel you are about to have a psychotic break you should contact a psychoanalyst to help you through it and help prevent it in the future.http://www.lacanonline.com/index/find-a-lacanian-psychoanalyst/



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Post yr banners for the board, and also flags if you have any suggestions. I'm going to be stealing more flags from /leftypol/ but if you have any requests post them here.Banner size is 300x100 and must be under 200KB
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