/lgbt/ - LGBT

>>4005
>You need to get it out of your head that “modern construct” is bashing.

>still can't form a cohesive argument and still has to move the goal posts after being thoroughly BTFO
<Come back when you’ve learned to do more than lame Wikipedia research and playing the homophobe card.
Ok, lad.

Just in case you aren't the dipshit who deleted the posts I replied to, or who got banned, this is what I'm arguing against and what you're defending, lol.
>>3910
>>3911

I doubt a homophobe will have much of a fun time on /lgbt/.

>>4005
That's like saying heterosexual people never existed until industrial capitalism or for matter that "woman" and "man" never existed. Or it's also like saying "Black" or "white" people never existed before colonialism.

Of course, the bourgeois family never existed before industrial capitalism. But queer is a privative defined in terms of exclusion from straight bourgeois society. "Straight" is the social construct. Gay is not.

>>4114
>That's like saying heterosexual people never existed until industrial capitalism
That's true. Before the modern period, European society was much more sexually fluid and there were harsh punishments for sex acts that violated the moral law. Monks would mock 'marry' their cloister brothers while remaining celibate while sodomy was a mortal sin. Pederasty and child sexuality were common. Even then, the Church barely enforced punishments for sodomy until the Crusades, after which pederasty and sodomy became associated with 'Saracens' and Jews. Even the term 'heterosexual' was coined by Victorian sexologists like Krafft-Ebing as the mental disease of "excessive attachment to the opposite sex" way back in the 1880s.

>Or it's also like saying "Black" or "white" people never existed before colonialism.
If you were a Zulu tribesman in the 1600s, would you have identified yourself as a black person? As someone who's skin color was black? Its colonialism and enslavement that opened the door for a common black identity because it ripped enslaved Africans out of their native culture, severing their family ties, severing them from their language and region and placing them in a lower caste called 'black.' Its only through enslavement that people came to be classified according to their skin color and built a shared culture based on the class position they'd been forced into. There were no "black people" before colonialism. People saw themselves as Hausa, Igbo, Zulu etc. they related to their own tribes, languages, and religions, and practically everyone around them had dark skin, so there was no sense of being "black" as some special identifier. In texts written in native African languages like Ge'ez or Hausa, the authors never self identify as black.

>"Straight" is the social construct. Gay is not.
Straight and gay both go together. A straight person is someone who, by definition, is not gay and a gay person is someone who, by definition, is not straight. You can't know one without knowing the other. If queer is defined by exclusion from bourgeois society, then queer is a social construct because its contingent on bourgeois society for it to come into existence in the first place. Like how 'proletarian' is a product of bourgeois society and didn't existPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

the political establishment on both ends have abandonment them. and also, transwomen are smart and cute and so are marxists. check mate liberals

>>3911
That person that you replied to should seriously consider working for Israel. Trans people aren't in camps yet because the hogs at the first stage of genocide, which is incitement of violence. Anybody that argues that the NatCons/fascists don't have explicit genocidal intent against anybody LGBT or that they're being "ironic" is nothing but a right-wing stooge.

How will anybody know you exist without social media?

Just aim for the interpolation of the two. Gender ain't boxes.

>>4137
I want to wear feminine clothes in public too, but I want to do it because I'm out with my boyfriend.
cunt.

>>4138
Gender kinda are boxes though, atleast society treats it like such. Even most of the queer community treats it as such. If I aimed to be both a femboy and a transgirl, then I wouldnt be welcomed in transfem spaces for being a femboy, but I also wouldnt be welcomed in femboy spaces for being a transgirl. I wouldnt fit in anywhere. So im unfortunately forced to choose one.

>>4137
>all boys are masculine! Femboys dont exist
You sound dumb

>>4140
>If I aimed to be both a femboy and a transgirl, then I wouldnt be welcomed in transfem spaces for being a femboy, but I also wouldnt be welcomed in femboy spaces for being a transgirl. I wouldnt fit in anywhere. So im unfortunately forced to choose one.
Sounds like a twitter thing. I've seen people straddle / mix both all the time.
Solution is find healthier spaces, rather than seek conditional acceptance in spaces that require you shatter yourself to fit in. I suggest fedi and the personal websites scene.

>>4141
It seems like almost every community online requires me to shatter myself to fit in. I actually used to be apart of the personal website seen, but its not really a community since theres no way to interact with other people. I havent tried fediverse though

>>2608
Not to be "That Guy"
but the difference between bi and pan is;

pan: you are attracted to people *irregardless* of gender (you don't find gendered traits to be specifically attractive)

bi: you find people attractive *because* of their gender traits, whether it be masc/fem/neutral.

the names for both of them are kind of confusing tbh

>>2146
>how malleable is orientation and gender identity in adulthood?
Yes
We can make everyone queer or bi (etc).
I came to this "LGBT" thing late (like 5 years into adulthood or more, is fuzzy)
So I will not give out marching orders at this time. It certainly is in the realm of possibility.
Whether it should be done, that's a different issue. We need to think about whether we should in addition to if we could.
>>1297
>attraction to cisgender men and women
Sounds nutso.
I am mostly straight. I have of course jacked it to all sort of trans folk (girlish boys, as well, possibly, is fuzzy).

>>3640
>bi: you find people attractive *because* of their gender traits, whether it be masc/fem/neutral
Gendered traits are not that important.
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>>2146
>So how malleable is orientation and gender identity in adulthood? I've heard of HRT changing orientation before

I dont think hrt actually changes orientation. Most examples of it are just straight or gay people becoming bi when they take hrt, but its most likely that they were always bi but just couldnt imagine themselves with both genders until they transitioned into the body they wanted. The only thing hrt is changing is their bodies, not their sexuality.
>>1297
Im pretty sure that it doesnt have anything to do with whether theyre cis or not. Tons of bi people are trans or date trans people

>>1656
based

Probably the hideous, clashing color design on the flag. Most of the tumblrsexuals have terrible flags. Bi Pride flag is the best design (it was designed by a gay man)

>>3571
Just be a nice and kind person. She might have autism and need to be taught social cues. Be patient

trans girl here. my only tip is that if she is feeling dysphoric, try and remind her that you see her as a woman and that she shouldnt let the feeling take over how she feels about herself, as hard as it is

its 11 am so excuse me if im just saying nonsense

>>4091
>>4092
He's mid, he's likely cut though which is a turnoff for me so i probably wouldn't suck him tbh

>>4092
He is cute, but his lazy eye and chin? something around his mounth makes him lose some points and look dumb, so he is slightly below average, but not too bad. Also, he is really smart (got a 4), probably on STEM, doesn't go outside much and has a good computer which means he would make a good boyfriend.

>>4092
I think I would, but only if got to play with him after.

>but I don't see foids gooning to him like Luigi.
I only found this, the others were saying he is ugly.

What do you think of shaved Lenin?

>>4102
Why did you post this here? It's a mildly entertaining article but I don't see how it relates to the theme of the thread.

>>4091
>bad skin
>lazy eye
>weird chin
>dresses like a nerd
>reddit sense of humor
I'm good thx

>>4124
>Jacques from Seeking Derangements podcast
literally who?

>>4051
King banned from speaking the truth

Infinite hetmoid DEATH

>>4152
I would say the work of a hetmoid
But mods don't have sex
Not consensual sex anyway

>>4156
Is this supposed to convince me to start hating hetmoids, because I actually need that man carnally.

>>3829
>>3847
Op here. I just wanted a looksmatch boyfriend from my area

>>3850
Where do you live?

>>3889
Brazil ☠️

>>3777
For what it's worth, as a dude in the deep south I had a lot of luck using an app for a community which has a lot of queer members (furry) which was more meetup focused. Found a couple of friends and within the first month met a guy I've now been in a committed relationship with for almost two years. I think you need to find community in general. Romance shouldn't even be a primary motivator at this point. Finding real life friends who can relate to you about your sexuality is an emergency situation for you. Isolation is damaging you.

>>4037
The only friend I had abandoned me
In fact I was the one constantly spamming his DC with messages left and right then he started talking less and less and I got the message, I just stopped texting him and he hasn't said anything for 2 weeks, it's time to let go
It is really fucking sad and devastating. We were friends since we were 12

>>3856
OP here, I'm not her so kindly fuck off

Male socialization is definitely hard to overcome, but definitely not impossible, you need to surround yourself with a bunch of moderately woke cis women and theyfabs who are accepting enough to consider you a woman but harsh enough to use social conditioning tactics to get you to adopt female behavior. It’s tough, but I believe in you OP!

>>3869
How am I gonna find a group like that? I dont even know how to surrond myself with people. Social groups and socializing in general feels extremely alien to me

>>3796
>the internal identity can be fundamental without being essential
There is no such thing as internal identity. Identities don’t exist.

>children ie girls/boys are basically genderless
That’s just absurd.

People learn their genders, you are right about that. But I don’t think people really understand how deep learned behavior is when it’s built up through habit, from the beginning of life, and practiced for years.

Your also assuming that there is something there already upon which external societal influences impose gender upon. Your personality was already interpolated from the start, even the desire to be trans is a product of interaction with external influences not some inner desire. If you grew up with sheep herders in Mongolia, you’d probably never even think of being trans.

>>3823
>I don’t have any fashion sense at all
Is this why trans girls dress slutty? They can’t get girl dress so they just lay into the most extreme feminine depictions they see on TV?

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>>3932
>They can’t get girl dress so they just lay into the most extreme feminine depictions they see on TV?
Maybe, I don't really know what most other trans women typically dress like though since I dont know any others irl. But I would probably wear something a bit sltty if it werent for the fact that my body isnt good-looking enough to pull it off. But thanks for the advice to my other post

>>2133
lucky you

its the woke mind virus inside you

More horomones = more libido

>>3987
>>testosterone increasing
>libido increasing
OP's situation's that simple. Wonder if he already met up a bigdickgirl, it's been 4 months.

>>1291
>still can't remove away my desire to be buttfucked by a bigdickgirl and jizzed inside of
Believe you me comrade there's nothing to ashamed.
some of us muscle mommies like to be jizzed inside ourselves