/lgbt/ - LGBT

>>9347
Thank you for the thoughtful answer! I will break the middle section down in parts to answer it more effectively.

>Because it simply can't help doing so. In the first place, the post-Stonewall gay movement was created by middle class white Americans who were college educated and wealthy.
I have also slowly begun to realize the overwhelming weight of this aspect playing in to the problems.

>It reflects a certain ideology and like all ideologies it can't include everyone and is built on a fair bit of exclusion e.g. traditional Catholics who see anal sex as a sin and sexual desire as something that has to be restrained as part of the process of being Christian cannot break bread with an LGBT movement that praises indulgence in sexual pleasure as a way to explore the self and live a free life. These are incompatible worldviews. Even if there's attempt to bridge the divide, they remain fundamentally incompatible. Rather than simply accept that they are different, the LGBT activists in the 80s (most of them atheists) instead decided to frame Catholics as the enemy.
I thought this was an odd thread to go down on as a response to "proximal communities" (because I had in mind semi-sympathetic ones, more on that later*) but then I sat with it a little and was reminded of the fact that protestants (mainline) have been more accommodating, so you may have referred to this too by extension, implicitly. It also ties into
>dangerous consequences e.g. gays supporting Israel.
The western zionist base of which is protestant, Americanism and petty bourgeois /+ labor aristocratic.

>Basically, the LGBT movement is too ideologically narrow. They tie being gay or queer to specific [petty bourgeois, labor aristocratic] worldview and of course not all people, including queer people, can or do share that worldview.
* The reason I got to confront this problem now recently was through the odd following angle: Reading Engels, specifically Origin of the Family, the section outlining modern history of bourgeois monogamy and evidence that the proletariat exclusion from capital accumulation (legal marriage), women's proletarianization and economic independence and social production,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>9348
>'sex-love' and polyamory
>What's crazy is that, due to the fact nobody fucking reads the selected works, even collections of self-described "Marxists" like here, this has no discourse, no commentary.
The fuck are you getting this? Engels speaks of the material conditions of the proletariat opening up the possibility of "true monogamy":
<the equality of woman thereby achieved will tend infinitely more to make men really monogamous than to make women polyandrous
There isn't a lot to discuss about this, simply because it's the liberal ideal of romantic love, each of us likely grew up with, realized and economics-driven relationships tend to be grouped under the greater malaise of capitalist coercion by people who aren't puacels.

>>9348
I wouldn't take Engels' Origin as the Family seriously as an explanation of how kinship/family emerged or even how bourgeois sexuality took shape. If you want histories of the LGBT movement, I'd suggest checking out John D'Emilio's book Sexual Politics, Sexual Communities. Laurie Marhofer's Racism and the Making of Gay Rights looks at how eugenics and imperialism shaped early queer culture. Foucault's History of Sexuality Vol 1 is very relevant too. D'Emilio's point is that capitalist industrialization created gay culture because for the first time autonomous individuals could gather in commercial spaces and share a common identity. Can you say there was a petty bourgeois element to this? Probably.

>protestants (mainline) have been more accommodating
The point I wanted to make is that secular and Protestant biases shaped the invention of gay identity in ways that make it difficult for others to accommodate gayness or creates an impossible subject position, both of which contribute to homophobia. There were Catholic theologians in the 60s who wanted decriminalization of homosexuality and rejected the idea that it was a sin, but they still wound up enemies of post-Stonewall gay activists who framed religion (with some exceptions) as the enemy.

>Trans destabilizes the gender binary, putting it into question (leading to non-binary proposals) and thus has to be removed. Queer is and has been a bisexual force multiplier that risks destabilizes the patriarchal and monogamous norms and thus has to be removed.
It doesn't destabilize the gender binary because you of course need to separate 'men' from 'women' in order to make transition from one side to the other possible. What trans does is destabilize the hetero/gay binary by mystifying the gender of the other person. If people can change sex, if they can have a gender entirely different from their physical sex, then suddenly gay, straight, and lesbian begin to loose meaning or get thrown into crisis. This is what stimulates lesbian and gay transphobia. As for bisexuality, something like it was common in much of human history and co-existed with patriarchy, polygamy, religion, and monogamous marriage. Gays didn't like bisexuals because their ideology (we are born this way, there is only gay or straight) couldn't initially accommodatePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Will drinking beer really turn me into a girl? I heard it is full of estrogen.

>>9427
no, but the ethanol will turn you into a raging alcoholic

>>8447
Hmm…
>>8448
What if I'm trying to escape the American Century of Humiliation?

Long distance twink situationship wants me to cuck him and fuck other guys behind his back. Also he likes my feet and wants me to beat on him and boss him around. I'm in love.

>>9016
Twinks are for sweet cuddling and plapping, not abuse.

>>9017
This one likes both. I'm gonna spend all day treating him like trash and then scoop him up, cook him a nice dinner, and cuddle him to sleep.

new thread?

>>9397
> the details don't matter so much as the directionality. so long as the cause is something in the womb

There isn’t.
Transgenderism and homosexuality aren’t genetic although they are bio psychological

Would you apply this same logic for trans men and tomboys?

>>9397
> even if men weren't an acceptable target for mocking and demonizing, masculinity would still be hollow. it's (basically) acceptable to make fun of the irish, italians, etc, but those identities have some positive content (even if like all nationalism it's a bit of a LARP, the irish are generally seen as friendly and funny people, italians by good food and art and so on.)

Most of which are because of men.
If you view masculinity as hollow, then you have to admit that femininity is also hollow especially since it focuses on youthful beauty and docility far too much.

I will admit that masculinity is wrongfully gatekept and mystified but so is femininity.

Btw this all is exaggerated even more in poorer countries. I live in the outskirts of eastern europe and a dominatrix will still charge $200 as the bare minimum, and I've seen them charging close to $1000 too. That's one thing when it happens in the west, although even there that's absurdly much, but here it's even more absurdly much - like come on, $300-400 is already someone's monthly wage, so an unfortunate man legit wakes up every date at 8am, goes to his wagecage, gets humuliated by management, phyiscally tired and emotionally drained, gets back home after 6pm, and this all month long only to get $300-400 for a month of this soul-draining slavery, less than a woman gets an hour or two at worst for having her feet licked or smth like that. So a month of a man's life is worth less than an hour of woman's. Just how dehumanizing is that?


>>9384
>Again, those are outliers.
Oh really? Try to find one chargin under $200 an hour at least, and even that will probably be an "online session" lmao.
> Also, dominatrixes aren’t valued as much as you think.
Right, there's a more highly paid category - GFE.
>They have a short time window.
>They can be rejected for losing their beauty or nuance.
No they don't, there are 50yo+ dominatrixes charging barely less. And let's be honest, if at these income levels she doesn't have enough to not have to "work" anymore ever she must borderline mentally retarded, I think those that do it at that age just enjoy it.
And on beauty: any ugly woman is valued infinitely more than the average male (who is not valued at all) and can charge just as much. I've seen escort profiles where it's basically the female version of Chud and she charges $400 an hour (again, it's someone's monthly wage here). Sis, if you were male with these looks, you'd never get to touch a woman, you'd be bullied at school, you'd likely hang yourself by the age of 20-25 due to loneliness. Yet here you are, blessed with a vagina.

>>9384
> And eve then, most women don’t want to be mere meatbags for cishet male sexual gratification.
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Piece of shit admin blocked tor again, surprised it let me post through i2p and didn't annoy me with captcha.

>>8297
>would you be trans if you had a good job making 120k a year? if you had the ability to support a family?
Yes? Retard.

Ok? Do you want a cookie or something

>>9315
Except this literally never happened in the USSR, the PRC, Cuba and other AES. All AES required mass struggle against such conditions.

>>9272
>Nazis and feminists have mostly looted paganism
nazis (Disney):
<naively searches 'Loki gender change'
<MCU slop comes up
ughhh gross

>Loki's gender fluidity and bisexuality in Norse mythology and in modern adaptations
https://thesis.unipd.it/handle/20.500.12608/33340
> In Norse mythology, Loki was seen as a fluid entity who had the ability to change his gender. This dissertation will analyse how modern productions have adapted this characteristic of his – he is often portrayed as genderfluid, i.e. a person whose gender is not fixed nor in identity or expression. In the first chapter, I will briefly introduce the main Norse gods and myths, mainly focusing on Loki. I will then summarise the main points of Gender Studies and Queer Theory, as well as by listing some LGBTQ+ terms regarding sexual orientation and gender identity that might not be familiar to the general public. After going over the impact that Norse mythology has on contemporary pop culture and explaining what queerbaiting is, I will conclude by analysing how Loki’s gender fluidity and bisexuality were handled and adapted by Marvel Comics, the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Netflix, focusing on particular examples (Loki: Agent of Asgard, Thor & Loki: Double Trouble, Marvel's Voices: Pride, Loki, Thor: Ragnarok and Ragnarok).

> In many tales Loki is described in a way that is analogous to gender fluidity18 – he can change his shape in order to look like other people (man or woman) or even animals (male or female). He can have female attributes (for instance, the ability to give birth to Sleipnir, an eight-legged horse19), but is referred to with male pronouns and described with masculine terms. He is a uniquely positioned figure, through which it is possible to view gender constructs in the sagas and folklore.
>The Þrymskviða (The Lay of Þrym) found in the Poetic Edda is one of the tales in which Loki appears and it illustrates his shape-shifter character perfectly. This is the story of how Thor lost his hammer and had to disguise himself as a woPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>9290
Ive seen a couple of your threads but im a midwit so can you please ELI5 me on your ideology/ religion because it sounds interesting at first glance.

Another thing I thought about is a o9a style secret movement except with the endgoal of promoting those left behind by society to ascend above it through unethical means if necessary and with a mythology that is materialistic and a morality that is goals-oriented and shuns cruelty

>>9326
check these out if you have not already:
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/zine/lithp.html
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/zine/pisas.html

the basic foundation of my religion is grounded upon the myth of biokinesis, i.e. the capacity to influence biological functions by establishing a more intimate connection with the body's processes. hidweh can be seen as the spiritual embodiment of the practice of biokinesis or a spirit here to guide people in the practice. from that basic orientation, other themes develop. for instance, we are inclined to want to push past illusions of necessity, refusing to simply submit to fate. "saklas" is sort of the embodiment of karma in the cosmology ive articulated as basically the god whose flesh is the manifest universe. he is a sleeping god with the laws of physics being merely his reflexes. there is also the great fleshly mother tiamat, another primordial sleeping god, who embodies the "platonic realm" of all bodily form. she is often spoken of as the flesh dimension. i have this apocalyptic intuition that with the development of biotechnologies, she will "wake up" and this shall disrupt the foundations of society..

hidweh is meant to point towards tiamat's awakening and also the underlying "ideality" implicit in the body .. im influenced by schelling's objective idealism, so i do like to think of the body as itself something like a mind-like process. this is one reason why i was attracted to dialectical materialism to explore that continuity between human rationality and more base material existence without drawing some sort of isomorphism.. michael levin's research into regenerative biology (i recc checking this out) seems to point to all of this. we can see a remarkable robustness with the body in following a general goal as well as remarkable morphological flexibility in response to bioelectric signalling. this points to the body itself having a certain level of intelligence. at the same time, i wouldnt think of the body as rational on the level as humans are. it is not yet a fully illuminated rational process, but rather something "psychoid"al or mind-like. ultimately, the body's behavPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>9272
What about trans men?

You’re not missing much. It’s all cismoids now.

>>9355
Come to Australia and it's an European heatwave majority of the year and even winter would be considered a normal day

Just get an air conditioner

>>9358
That's not chilly thats positively balmy

>>9359
aussies, arabs, iranians, mexis how do you CHADS handle anything harder than 35?

>>9372
They don't want you to know this but having air dry enough that your sweat can still evaporate helps greatly.

>>9050
why? They seem ok

>>9062
website owner attempted to astroturf on reddit and they use ai generated product images and they try to give the impression of a real pharmacy and they give out prescriptions despite having the wrong licenses to do so, and they know this

Anyone know if prog gel capsules with a listed expiry date in 2024 would still be okay to take? They don't have any smell or discoloration so I've been using them for like a week, I bought them a long time ago then never used them.

>>9084
the oil in the capsules goes bad before the prog itself, so if they smell ok they're fine

how the fuck do you know you're not getting lead poisoning from any of these diy products

>being this desperate to make communism/marxism some useless impotent all encompassing academicoid "theory"
im a transhumanist and i think youre all fucking retarded

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