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I am posting this in the lgbt board because as a queer person I think a lot of these topics resonate much louder to a queer audience, who's likely given more thought to these ideas.

as some background, me and my girlfriend recently broke up over both being traumatized and her getting tired of my ever worsening situation.

in our current superstructure it would simply be discarded as a inherently codependent trauma relationship that could've never worked and under this understanding of the world the proposed solution is avoiding these relationships completely by simply getting over the trauma before dating.

now, my first question is, what does it even mean to get over trauma? some argue that the first steps are to engage in masking, similar to how someone would hide their neurodivergence. others suggest that getting over trauma is a matter of normalizing to oneself.

neither of these seems to be particularly effective, I understand that trauma cannot be undone but neither of these strategies seems to me like much more than internalizing and individualizing a systemic fault which feels contradictory and self destructive.

now, extending this at large I find myself disagreeing with the liberal capitalist perspective on mental health, I see it as one of my core values to be radically against eugenics and I find the idea of normality repulsive and unhelpful as it is often utilized to justify this line of thinking.
I understand that some deviations from our agreed normality are inherently harmful to others under our existing superstructure but I find it very difficult to justify a culture who glorifies the suppression of any behaviors that aren't helpful to the advancement of the capitalist system.

I have tried to adopt dialectical materialism to form a coherent opinion on what is the appropriate approach to many of these questions. it has helped with identifying contradictions within the status quo but I've been unable to find any reasonable uncontradictory answer to these questions, both within our existing superstructure and within a hypothetical utopian communist society.

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>>5867
>instead you remain in control and can work through the emotions
don't you think there are degrees to this? I have been traumatised by multiple experiences in my life and I've always tried to immediately snap out of the repetitions and to instead focus on survival minimizing the long term damage. this has worked to make the best out of a shitty situation but clearly hasn't worked as well with interpersonal relations. over the years I have observed people with similar issues repeat their traumas over and over and over again, I would like to believe I don't do that.
>Also there's things a therapist does that you can't do yourself.
I am sure having someone who is good at recognizing these patterns and is only bias in the direction of our currently established science CAN help some. I also think that this isn't as infallible as straight forward as you and people like you seem to believe it is. I've been failed by therapy and I've seen so many others around me be, I would really really like to believe that it just is that simple. I believe the existing structure is very much built with horse blinders on and I do believe there is quite a bit of nuance that the science simply ignores.
>Also a therapist can see when we're engaging in denial, projection, etc., or acting out a script/schema. these things are made to not be seen by the one employing them
how do you think regular people act? do you not think that everyone does these things? I am sure that there's some behaviors both you and I have that are completely unhealthy under the analytical lens of a third party, this is a normal part of social existence.
>So they can point these out and from that feedback you can begin to maybe see when you're engaging in those defenses or scripts and regain control
every single one of us, traumatized or not engages in this, every single one of us doesn't have full control over their life. this is a very easy concept to twist and turn, which is why I believe it is very easy to infer something is just a script or a defense when it isn't and they are simply being over-analytical. I believe that the current approach is fundamentally flawed, I believe that we shouldn't treat mental health like physical health as when you do this you end up Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>5912
>don't you think there are degrees to this
Of course. Also i feel like I have to say that not every horrible experience is traumatic (some people come out the other side without it changing them), but the coping mechanisms are part of the thing that makes it trauma. So even if you used really good coping mechanisms that were necessary to get you through, those coping mechanisms can themselves be the problem later on.

>I've been failed by therapy

Same. I've had three therapists, and one was an idiot, one acted stuck up and like she hated me, and the other wanted me to reconcile with my abuser and attributed my (now very obviously) ptsd symptoms to innate causes. So now instead of therapy i just read books. But that's how I learned that there are many models of therapy. Regular talk therapy is one model, made for funneling people towards psychiatrists, helping neurotics and depressives with cbt, and things like that. Then there are psychoanalytic and psychodynamic therapists which focus on long term therapy and forming a therapeutic relationship. This model actually makes sense to me, at least for most people's issues. The first model is i think tailored to no one, since imo it underestimates the extent of the causes of people's issues. Like assuming that a depressed person just needs to be told to try to maintain a structured and active life harder. That might work for some people but many aren't functional enough for just being given the info on what to do and a place to vent to be enough.

>do you not think that everyone does these things

I think everyone engages in defenses, and some defenses are more distorting or harmful and some are more healthy. Projection is a pretty annoying one. Denial gets in the way of trauma recovery. Part of therapy is teaching healthier defenses. Yes most people are somewhat crazy and could use someone to help them with introspection, just like most people also probably need a better education.

>I believe that we shouldn't treat mental health like physical health as when you do this you end up giving up your autonomy to a inherently biased third party who simply lacks your nature and nurture

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>me and my girlfriend recently broke up over both being traumatized
>in our current superstructure
why are marxists like this? the fuck you mean superstructure!
i'm just imagining a physician saying:
>i just divorced my wife
>E=mc²

>>6465
i meant physicist. why did i say physician? why am i this fucking retarded

idk everyone is different but you probably shouldn't make your ability to maintain relationships ontologically dependent on the global system. If you let itd contradictions dominate you it's not any different from giving in to it. Nobody is coming to save you or change the world, so start with yourself.



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what's the synthesis of IBs and trans culture?

obviously pre-2016-fed/pol/ era, if you're a tran browsing IBs you're or should obviously be old enough to remember life before the rise of "beta" and "incel" culture in 4chan, where the absurd became nihilism and then it came the grooming;

it's not a conspiracy, the "glowie" meme became a thing thanks to the known fact of federal agents browsing these sites, but back on topic:

I don't usually do this but;
>TW:
<Brainworms
<Depression
<Slurs(?)

think Bailey Jay, tranchan and "trap aesthetics" guides, faproulette?

at least for me it was an important part of my self-discovery as a depressed teen isolated and with no education on what even trans people, spending time between IBs only interacting with terminally online incels at the peak of my delayed puberty
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>>6436
trans people simply have less inherent value than cis women, they cant give birth
therefore they're not fit for starting a family, and if they want someone to settle for them they have to be pretty much perfect or nobody is ever going to want to date them unless you wanna fuck a bottom chaser in the ass

>>6444
Are you autistic or just an incel lol

>>6442
Fake news. I wanted to be a woman back in elementary school, when I didn't have the internet or even a computer, and I hadn't experienced any traumatic events.

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>>6448

what did i even do? :(

>>6436
>i think its actually just IB and incel chud culture more generally. like half of the brain worms come from the concept of passing and half the posters on /tttt/ are not trans theyre fucking polyps pedophiles who think 19yo is too old because they hit the wall and divide women into maddona/whore and "would"/ogre boxes based on like a single slightly dark brown hair on their forearm. their standards are psychotic and based on chinese cartoons wholly separate from even the cosmetic advertising and hollywood industries. i think the answer is to develop a healthy relationship with what real people actually look like

From what I see, there's more people saying 30 is hitting the wall and 18-22 dating anyone outside of their age number is pedophilia and blaming anime for their own self-image problems.



 

I am a Cis-het-moid and I have a non-binary sibling, 2 close friends who are trans-women, and I bet that at least 70% of my art-school class is queer. I just think that's really funny because I'm sure that there are tons of queer people who grew up in rural area in a red-state who had the opposite experience as me. Also for me it dose not matter in the slightest because I am in no way oppressed, the worse that can occur would be something like my trans friend telling me that she is on "E" and expecting someone like me to know that stands for estrogen off the bat.

Best and worst experience with all the queers in your life?

>>6151
>Best and worst experience with all the queers in your life?
Well for the best it would probably be all of the family memories with my non-binary sibling and stuff. As for the worst it would probably be that time in high-school where in the bathroom a kid reached his phone down a bathroom-stall gap to show me a dick-pic which is technically sexual-harassment though not assault. I still don't know if that kid was queer, he could have been straight and did it only as a power thing but still. Although this is why it is good to have queer friends and stuff, most cis-het-moids would turn homophobic after that.

>>6439
Were you twinky? A bit feminine? He might have wanted you to suck his cock at the stall

>>6443
>Were you twinky? A bit feminine? He might have wanted you to suck his cock at the stall
No I wasn't, and neither was he which is why I thought that he could of been straight and trying to do it as a power things, he never saw me or what I looked like until I got out of the stall and confronted him.



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I have so much insecurity I always think and feel like I'm not manly enough in attitude and appearance and that will always give other gays the ick for being too zesty or effeminate. How can I deal with if?
I always crave to be extremely masculine

The fact I don't care about football or any sport also makes me feel feminine and zesty
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>>5994
Have you tried DIY T/taking roids or is it too expensive for a Brazilian?

>>5995
I'm a neet can't afford it

I'm taking tadalafil and tribulus at the moment

I got banned on 4chuds lgbt for 2 days for posting my cock there and I think nobody even saw it

>>5703
if you are picrel then I don't think you're feminine. Sexy and playful actually.

>>6159
That's Maluma but he is pretty masculine-looking if you have seen his photos. He gets insecure when standing to more masculine guys, it is all relative, he needs to be the most masculine

>>6159
That's Maluma, I posted him because he's my ideal type of man physically I want to hook up with and look like



 

Im sure you guys have noticed that people on this site do that thing that is just a carry over from 4chan where people call each other "Newf-word," "Oldf-word," "Draw-word," or whatever, (Can straight people type out the F-slur in this context? I'd rather not find out the hard way) I never personally did that shit myself because I have queer friend who DEFINITELY don't think straight people like me should say that shit and even if they won't know my conscience would feel heavy. But I know that queer people are not a monolith and I was wondering what the majority of people here think of it even if I won't use it either way obviously. I can already image 5 different responses,
1. Most Lgbtqianons people are okay with it
2. Most are not okay with it but don't bother calling it about because they will be labeled "Idpol"
3. Nobody cares
4. It turns out that most people on this site who do that are actually gay themselves
5. A mix of all of the above
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>>5883
I used to be neutral on it and in the 1. camp but watching how people have talked about 'uygha' my whole life and the emergence of the whole 'dark woke' thing has made me unironically think the "reclamation" of slurs isn't possible. At all. It's never worked and you'll always have low autism score rightoids (frankly, rightfully) asking "well, if [x] group can say it, why can't I?" and your only explanation is tethering us and a new generation of marginalized young people to a past we should be wanting to move forward from.

We should all just admit there's no deeper reason for wanting to say it aside from finding it funny and being lazy, immature and it being a force of habit from our childhood/teen years spent on chan sites rather trying to rationalize or moralize it with some facetious radfem bullshit of pretending it's 'reclaimative' and that you're keeping the scoreboard even.

Look at how 'gay' as a pejorative became so effectively phased out for practically a decade there even amongst children just to come back in large part because retarded catty Stan twitter gay guys and fujos couldn't stop being homophobic to each other while fighting over Nicki Minaj or fanfiction or Taylor Swift or whatever the fuck else, or how every 2nd post on social media these days is full of people calling each other retards.

Slur reclamation and 'dark woke' as a whole has done absolutely nothing for the progressives except made it slightly more okay to admit to liking Cum Town and Chapo around women. We gave away our ability to say to the next generation of politically curious teenagers coming up online now that "we're the side who isn't ableist/body-shaming/sexist/homophobic/sex negative/transphobic and don't place the value of others on these restrictive hierarchies" just to give in to those hierarchies for the most braindead short-term gains imaginable.

I could go on about how arguably the only real value the American left has to offer the rest of the world*is* shit like concern over language, hand-wringing over idpol, discussions about representation and shit of that ilk since they're frequently unwilling to do anything more disruptive than that or put themselves at risk to do anything actually helpful to the extent that they're unironically getting shown up by the same libs they scorn in places like Minnesota, but that's a tangent for Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>6141
>We should all just admit there's no deeper reason for wanting to say it aside from finding it funny and being lazy, immature and it being a force of habit from our childhood/teen years spent on chan sites rather trying to rationalize or moralize it with some facetious radfem bullshit of pretending it's 'reclaimative' and that you're keeping the scoreboard even

Irony is, adults create that kind of humor and appropriate it.
Kids pick it up.

If anything, most adult humor relies too much on slurs.

It is wild compared to other internet spaces where so many words are censored to combat algorithms, "unalived" or "unal!ved" "Isr**l" that sort of thing. I find it refreshing that people can speak freely here.

>>6158
Wrong. There isn't free speech here. You get censored for saying russian saboteur transhumanist uyghur.

Poon pooner poon



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I don't understand libfags who argue marriage rights are capitalistic. Literally no socialist state has abolished marriage for straight people. Cuba has marriage rights for lgbts. How is it capitalistic
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>>6113
buddy look at any non-western nation, countries like turkey and russia are against giving gays marriage rights due to falling birthrates, it's not that marriage needs to be malthusian, it's that denying gays marriage rights is malthusian>>6117
>>6113

>>6118
If marriage is meant to be a measure to increase birth rates as >>6108 presents it to be, then it is malthusian as it's neither sex education nor does it improve the baseline material conditions for the whole population.

It is also malthusian to ban only the gay instances of it, but those aren't conflicting concepts.

>>6119
It stops being Malthusian when lgbts are given marriage rights.
"The state exists to protect capital, i want a socialist state."
"Whooaaa you want something protects capital? You're capitalistic!"
You people are retarded.

>>6065
did you read the meme

did you read the book >>6096

>>6065
I support child marriage/prostitution because I am an accelerationist. The capitalist state never cared about child safety (see Epstein) and industrial rape/prostitution liberalizes the sex relation more than artisanal rape/marriage. I prefer to have both men and women workers getting raped rather than just women workers getting raped by men because it better unites the workers against the capitalists.



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really really retarded question but it’s whatever

is it true most of the LGBTQ+ community are now filled with middle class individuals or not? i remember when i saw a reply mentioning that on /siberia/ and now im wondering if its true or not
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>>4939
gay and trans are trve proletarians, unless most of them dislike my take on AI art, in which case they're petit bourgeois roaches being proletarianized

>>5540

my take is better than yours

Worth noting that there's a measurable trend of downward class mobility for usamerican trans women

>>5539

hello i’m the OP of this thread, and yes i was referring to the US centric lgbt community, and thank you for this response

>>5628

that’s unfortunate

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>>5628

wish we could take over the military sector, a lot of us are already weapon nerds due to our socialization; no liberal wants to argue with a soldier, you can shut down half of them by telling them you fought for their privilege of avoiding conflict or whatever.



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I recently increased my dose from 4 mg of estradiol per day to 8 mg and I feel unwell. What should I do? Should I endure it? Should I reduce the dose to 6 mg? It's just that 4 mg is too little, as far as I can tell.

Teto

>>6044
have you ever even gotten a blood test

Don't do oral, its shit. Do gel or injections.

>>6048
No
>>6052
I feel sick from the gel, and injections are not sold in my country



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Am I the only one who doesn’t like the mainstream symbols of transgender identity?
The flag has colors that look too childish and it doesn’t make sense. If you go by the official meaning of the colors, then the flag should actually be a tricolor with white in the middle. I’m sorry, but I couldn't find an apolitical variant With the current flag, it feels like if you want to become enby while being AMAB, you’d first have to become MtF and then enby.
The symbol ⚧️ has no historical context. It’s not even a planetary symbol like Mars ♂ and Venus ♀. I’ve heard that the Mercury symbol ☿ used to represent hermaphrodites/androgynes. I don’t like it either, but it’s clearly closer to us and actually has historical context.
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>vexillology autism
who gaf

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>>6018
>>6020
I'm not even talking about that, the flag just looks awful.

Here, I threw this together in a few seconds just now. It looks so much better, doesn't it? It's like they didn't even try.

>>6021
Yo mama
>>6023
It's so fucking UGLY

>>6024
Not as ugly as the official one

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You just know these sorts of spaces are breeding grounds for AFAB-hitlerites. I guess I resent this sort of stuff a lot. I don't know. Life just kind of sucks as a trans woman.
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I think transgirls should band together similarly tbh especially nowadays given how massive transmysoggynee is.

>>5974
We don't have the money and trap houses are already a thing.

Jesus this thread is stupid. Just let women have their spaces.

>>5976
Sorry but the bourgeoisie are not human, women included

>>5977
There are no bourgeoisie in China.



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