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Manmoder/Boymoder general
FAQ
>What is a manmoder/boymoder?
A moder in this context is defined as a transgender individual assigned male at birth who is currently undergoing feminizing hormone therapy or sex transition but for whatever social reason does not present as a transgender woman.
>What is the purpose of this thread?
To bring discussion/light to the complex experiences and economic causes which may lead a person to this point in their gender transition. It may also exist as a space to discuss a common oppression and help strive to better individuals in this position
>Why not repgen?
Reppers do not go through with gender transition so topics in this thread do not represent their experience, they do not have to hide secondary sex characteristics developed through gender transition nor do they have to deal with the complexities of feminizing hormone therapy.

QOTT - Say/share something nice you enjoy about yourself.

Resources:
hrtcafe.net - A website repository full of information on DIY transitioning.
transharmreduction.org - Helpful site for harm reduction through transition and testing done on DIY sources of estrogen.
transfemscience.org - Another helpful site which includes a calculator and simulation to run the effects of estrogen buildup in your body.
safeinourworld.org - Includes a page which has a detailed list of trans support/lifelines in your country that you can call for assistance in mental health support. Those in crisis are encouraged to seek help through one of these lines.

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Damn more 4channers jumping ship ?

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>>772
Not new to leftypol I just think that with the invention of this board we can now facilitate a conversation with materialistically inclined people who also share a trans experience.
>>771
Ill start with the QOTT
I enjoy reading and I'm proud of the fact I can share that with other people.

>>771
With the links posted is it worth it to make an /hrtgen/. Only reason to is because of potential ftm lurking the board.

>>1129
I would recommend it, if nothing else then for the sake of containment threads / keeping the board clean.


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i'm 100% straight & cis, but I'm deeply fascinated by LBGTQ+ people, and always want to get close to them and surround myself with them.
straightoids, on the other hand, annoy and repulse me because they seem so basic and so identified with the cultural hegemony

does that mean I'm gay? I kinda wish I were gay sometimes
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>>1240
lgbt acceptance and culture was a small cultural bubble with an oversized reach due to progressives generally being over represented in media
rightoids were right about that i'm afraid, the average westerner is actually a deeply racist cultural christian

I'm a str8 guy but I only really like being around lesbians. Straight men and 90% of straight women I hate them. Even the libbed out lesbians are pretty chill and cool. Gay guys are sometimes fine but sometimes performatively loud and annoying. I also tend to be attracted to less feminine girls. Like, not straight up butch but you know what I mean. Sometimes I wonder what if I was a lesbian but then I think no I like having a dick and I don't want boobies. Sometimes I think what if I was theythem but that sounds like too much work socially tbh. Sometimes I want to wear a dress but then I think how self conscious I would feel and it feels maybe fetishy or something so I don't.

>>1289
If it's any consolation, I think gay incels are a thing on 2² chan.

>>1303
>but then I think no I like having a dick and I don't want boobies
Same on my end. I couldn't stand to have my groin bleed every month, and boobs would just get in the way.
I can understand you liking butch lesbians because they're closer to what you're attracted to, but why the hate for other straight men?

>>1304
I almost never encounter another straight man who has any emotional intelligence, and most of them are right-wing dipshits. There's this whole posturing thing that men feel they have to do with one another. An aggro joking thing that I am expected to participate in and which I hate. They also tend to have no interests outside of sports or (in my area) hunting or capeshit or bad video games. Not that most women's interests are much better I guess, but at least I don't feel like I'm in a competition when I talk to women.

>>1306
Yeah knowing all that I can't really blame you feeling as you do, that sounds like hell to have to share a community with troglodytes like that. Though, tbh, I don't get too along with men in my area either, less of an interest in hunting here thankfully.
WIsh ya the best straight-anon, mask as well as you can and hang out with your lesbian friends, life's too short to be around bad company anyways.


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Is it weird if I think I am kind of politically bisexual? In that I feel everyone should be attracted to everyone and I kind of feel I need to be into men. Before I transitioned I was gay / bi but like more gay than bi, but now I feel I'm completely into women except anime men. But I feel I need to be bisexual because that is the most progressive thing I think. Does anyone else have similar experiences? Am I just experiencing comphet?
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Engels and Marx obviously talk about this. In the end what matters most is the material benifit of entering a relationship / marriage. This is why bourgeois marriages were far worse for the woman. I don't remember what Engels writes exactly since I have not read On the origins of family, private property and the state since I was a teenager, but he said something along the lines of how once bourgeois marriages have been abolished we can have real monogamy, because there would be no economic incentive in it. This is how I write relationships between the socialists when I write fiction. I wish I could make a better comment here because I feel like I'm on the brink of making an analysis, but I'm too confused and probably not in the best condition to make it right now.

I lack context for the political lesbianism thing, but I feel like bisexual/pansexual characters are easier to write since you just don't lock them in to a particular gender preference. I think bisexuality will become more common with representation that would result of more authors realizing that.

>>1324
Mate, I say this in a kind way, I think you would benefit from therapy. These things are not worth ruminating on, and we both know it. The fact that you do makes me think you would benefit from talking about your feelings a bit more. I feel there's more to it than just the political aspect.

Sexual attraction is insanely context dependant. Sure, I like guys basically exclusively, but given the right circumstances, I wouldn't be shocked if I did something with a woman. "Prison gay" is a thing. Young adolescents do gay shit all the time. Sexuality is way more dynamic than these solipsistic "gay, bi, etc" labels make it out to seem.

>>1331
I don't think there's anything wrong with talking about this, in fact I think an imageboard is the best place to. Sometimes its good to discuss your thoughts without commiting to a serious political statement.

Peronsally I would never see a therapist, I don't trust them. It's much healthier to talk about this with random people or your friends tbh, that's what I always do.

>>1313
I (cis man) have tried to make myself attracted to women, not for self hating reasons, but because I want to understand and vibe with all people's sexualities, so I think I kind of get you.
It just doesn't work all that well. I see glimpses of heterosexuality every once in a while (and have jerked off to yuri frequently since I was 16), but I still don't think I'm really fully bi.

I feel like part of the reason I usually feel so distant from heterosexuality is heterosexuality is so tied in with a specific form of sexual hierarchy that I want nothing to do with. I don't think sexual hierarchies are necessarily bad, but I despise the ones of today: "aura", "alpha" "confidence" etc all feel like scams with nothing backing them up. It exists in gay stuff too, but less so (or at least it feels more tongue in cheek?), its very difficult for me to imagine fucking a women as a man without feeling over whether I "deserve" her on that level, or she's bequeathing me with value or something, or judging me by standards which I don't want to be judged. I'd guess that's largely a me problem, but I'd also guess it isn't entirely.

I think most people nowadays think that the only "ideal" sexualities are ace or bi. Just don't beat yourself up over it. A lot of gays and lezes have been put in torture camps and killed themselves trying to get attracted to people they thought they were supposed to, so while personally I'm not going to stop in the near term, we have to acknowledge that it might not even be possible, and in any case it isn't a big deal.


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Might as well ask the queer community because they've thought about this more than I ever will.

I think the gender binary (and coping mechanisms like a gender spectrum) is nonsense, and the concept of gender whatsoever is increasingly obsolete in society. I have no problem with all the coping mechanisms people have for reconciling themselves with our society's dumbassery, I'm not a prefigurative idealist, but if asked to make a choice, I consider myself non-binary. This is purely a political stance, outwardly I fit neatly into the 'cis man' label and that has about 0 affect on my mindset and life. I face no societal oppression for my sex, sexuality or gender so I'm effectively only involved in the queer movement in solidarity, rather than being a part of a queer community.

What is a succinct way to sketch this position to people? Postgenderism? Gender abolitionism? I definitely want to avoid using the wrong words and having people mistaking my position for "gender critical" bigotry.

i have always found gender to be such an obtuse thing; you will see things like "gender is how you present yourself" but run into contradictory perspectives like "clothes aren't gendered" or "body types aren't gendered", and it really waters down what is actually trying to be articulated by the word. i don't really think it's pointing to any one thing at all; trying to think about how i perceive gender as a concept with for instance my trans friends and it's like we're in a whole different fucking universe.
language kinda fucking sucks none of this shit actually makes any sense i think. i consider myself a gender abolitionist but even that is like fuckin, not even really true? in a way? i really don't even try to talk about it anymore with people because it's just so alien to most people, even most queer people

The world you are looking for is "privileged". As a cis man you have the luxury to be dismissive about gender as your own identity is based on the "default", the unsaid assumption, the general reference point to which everything everything else is compared. You can call yourself whatever you like, as it has zero consequences. The very real, evidently intensifying struggles that queer people face will not go away just because some cis man on leftypol.org considers themselves to be above the concept of gender.

>>1340
>misgendering
ok grace

>>1340
>The very real, evidently intensifying struggles that queer people face will not go away just because some cis man on leftypol.org considers themselves to be above the concept of gender.
It literally will. OP clearly detailed how this will happen with more than enough citations and references to peer-reviewed journals. Read Marx.


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Straight friends can be so cruel sometimes, I have a straight friend who always jokes flirtly with me, I find him super hot and with high sex appeal but I know I have no chance of every sucking his cock hut he does that anyway because he wants just to inflate his ego with my compliments and flirting
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there's nothing more "straight" than flirting among the bros tbqh, just look at any locker room

>>1188
> just look at any locker room
never been in one. sounds dreadful tbqh

dang, sorry ur going through it

wish I were ace so I could do stuff with my gay homies & not think much of it

>>1154
I hate anal I just wish I could suck his cock but I know it will never happen and he'll just keep torturing me with his teases to fish compliments :')

>>1148
>Is not like that
Talk to any bi person. You are wrong.


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What you think are the odds of the Trump Regime attacking World Pride in DC? They started encouraging local police to raid gay bars as evidence last night (May 2nd)


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Is it misogynistic/lesbophobic if I want to see my girlfriend have sex with another woman but would absolutely hate it of she did it with another man?
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It is hard to be upset at you partner for having sex with someone you would like to have sex with. Would be very hypocritical.

>>1135
youre just jelly i did your dad first before you

>>1107
No that’s called being straight.

>>1107
Tbf women are - for the most part - cuter than men so I can't blame you too much.
Also sauce on the horse?

>>1124
>that + sign on the priest
Perfect OC, arigato-domo Anon

>>1177
wonder woman


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transitioning is so absurdly hard that you've got to be a grade A moron to get far enough to have any actual changes to your body if you aren't actually trans. any "detransitioner" who got that far is either a victim of conversion therapy or one of the dumbest humans alive.
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just be yourself

>>1118
Don't most detransitioners end up retransitioning at some later point?
Admittedly I have heard the largest regret rates are among ftm who started in adolescence. Seems testosterone takes effect more immediately and in lesser amounts.

>>1131
IIRC there was some survey done in the UK I think with a sample size of a few thousand trans people, and the overwhelming majority of people who detransitioned did so for external reasons. Like family pressure, political reasons, lack of access to healthcare, etc. I've known people in the UK who have emmigrated to other countries specifically because its so hard to receive trans healthcare. The NHS themselves admit that the waiting list for a mere consultation for trans healthcare is in the range of like 5-10 years at many clinics, and temporarily detransitioning because of that is not uncommon. What is uncommon for detransition is the cited reason being that it wasn't for them, ie they decided they were cis.

>>1134
>Like family pressure, political reasons, lack of access to healthcare, etc
>What is uncommon for detransition is the cited reason being that it wasn't for them, ie they decided they were cis
Pretty much. When they detransition is because of some external pressure, even if it's something as simple as inability to access healthcare - like hormones or surgery.
Feel bad for trans people in the UK, ever since capitalists decided to scape-goat them things have been getting that much harder for them. Petty little island with delusions of grandeur and masculinity, this shrieking over transwomen will get them nothing.

>>1118
Gender is such a nebulous and wishy washy thing that I really don't blame them. Especially nowadays where gender roles get blurred more and more. Capitalism really is the destroyer of all traditions, even those that even today people believe are so profoundly in us that they are in a way, as essential a quality as anything else. As if wearing lipstick and skirts, and wearing pants and not wiping your ass are all contained in the sex chromosomes.
>All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.


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I don't attend pride (and usually protest it) because the police take part. But is it fundementally a bourgeois event? I mean, it was not founded by the bourgeois, just co-opted by them. It is just like any other folk festival.

But in the end it is impossible to defend it and say it is not bourgeois. It is clear whenever you attend that it does not represent all queer people. It represents the petit-bourgeois, financially secure gays and lesbians, and old trans people. The very essense of pride has become firmly bourgeois. I probably would not go even without my political objections to it, because I can't really relate to that kind of display.

Of course, this was not by accident. I highly recommend K. Murali's book 'Of Concepts and Methods', in which some of the essays / chapters go into detail on identity politics. The fact is, every single non-class based movement will eventually be co-opted into capitalism. This is because capitalism is the perfect class system. All it needs is capitalist and proletarian, it does not need any of the small classes and sects previous systems did. They didn't need to persecute gays, so they stopped doing so.

This is precisely why the communists should organize with these social minority groups. If we do not organize them, the bourgeois will integrate them. We need to get to them first and prove we can be the ones who solve their issues, not the class enemy. The Communist party needs to be the one leading the opressed social groups against the capitalists. If an active part is not taken to mobilize them, we are squandering resources. This will take the form of a democratic front. Identity politics? Well, certainly the democratic front will be organized around identity politics, and that's the whole point. This is the way of organizing marginalized groups whilst keeping the party, and class struggle, central.

Therefore, we need to set up an anti-pride, a communist party front group pride.
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>>9
like most anti-capitalist/anti-status quo movements, it is eventually integrated by the bourgeoisie into supporting what it should be going against. Pride parades support the bourgeois status quo, therefore we should oppose pride parades while allying with queer groups.

>>784
How is that anarchist? Democratic fronts are not new concepts, it is an ML thing.

>>781
Yes. Probably nothing.

>>9 Pride, revolutionary, identity politics, lib bourgeois.

Whatever benefit identity politics as a blanket term may have had in the past it has been ruined by the last decade of lib cringe in mainstream media.

smth smth It's dialectical.

ok in seriousness, the way that idpol has been carried out as so far, is bourgeois, it is a liberal Thing. Of course, liberals aren't wrong about *everything*, LGBTQ+ people need their rights. But the liberal way of carrying it out is shit. The protection of the LGBTQ legally (this goes for all marginalized groups) kind of pre-supposes the oppression of said group. My general philosophy is that the emancipation of all oppressed groups cannot happen until the workers are emancipated


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>what's happening dork
-what do you want commie
>this is him guys, this is the facsist i told you about
>haha what a stupid facsist
>conservative dork
-i'm not conservative i'm altright, not like you and your stupid friends will understand
>the only thing i understand is my mao little red book, unfortunatly your mom is borrowing it from me
-you know you're a bully commies
>maybe if you stopped sharing pragerU videos and doing ok handsigns like a dork you won't be bullied for it
-screw you!
>screw me? why? do you like me? i thought you hated gays
-you know what i meant
>haaa! haaa! concervatard is gayyy, concervatard is gayyy
-BACK OFF Dumb SJW Soyboy bully!
>you know we were planning to give you a swirlie and hide your screams with the automated voice of bernie sanders but since you acted in the closet, why don't we pull you out!
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>>37
it's only manly and based when you cum in his ass

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>>668
yeah i have actually what about it

>>791
post some for us fagGODS

>>16
>racist balls
peak literature
<leftist is the bottom
nvm literally unreadable

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>>824
somone should write a sequel dedicated to leftists cleaning his racist fash bussy in the gym showers as tops


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