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Everytime you visit /edu/, post in this thread. Tell us about what you're thinking about, what you're reading, an interesting thing you have learned today, anything! Just be sure to pop in and say hi.

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Around the 29 minute mark Peterson criticizes Marx and Engel's for assuming that workers would magically become more productive once they took over.

This actually happened historically, most of the actually effective productivity tricks work places use now were developed by Stakhanovites.

https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1936-2/year-of-the-stakhanovite/year-of-the-stakhanovite-texts/stalin-at-the-conference-of-stakhanovites/
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Why of all marxists, Marx is the most difficult one to understand and how can I understand better his texts?



 

drop them PDFs, we will rebuild edition
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Post Copy pastas, videos and books which debunk common Fascist, Liberal talking points which are repeated often.
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>The USSR was socialist according to Marx
Okay let's look at what he said. Marx had the Paris Communes as his main inspiration of the dictatorship of the proletariat. We can see this here :
<"Of late, the social-democratic philistine has once more been filled with wholesome terror at the words: Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Well and good, gentlemen, do you want to know what this dictatorship looks like? Look at the Paris Commune. That was the Dictatorship of the Proletariat." - Engels, in the introduction of 1891 to the Civil War in France
<"It was essentially a working class government, the product of the struggle of the producing against the appropriating class, the political form at last discovered under which to work out the economical emancipation of labor." - Marx, in the same book
Now, the Commune had : representative delegates, repossession of the means of productions to give to the workers in the forms of co-ops, democractic assemblies to decide on how to govern. Again, this for Marx was meant to be an intermediate state of repossession of the political and economic power.

Now, let's look at the soviets : no representatives in the soviets, bureaucratic management by the Party of the economy, 70 years of "transition"
That's quite a lot of differences. It is true that originally, Lenin had set out to give the soviets (i.e. the local democratic councils) the political power, which would've indeed ressembled closer to the Commune. However, this did not come to be due to a plurality of factors, hence making the USSR a bureaucratic Party-State with peculiar productive relations.



 

Should I drop aspirations of being a conservationist? I find myself lucky enough to be able to go back for a second degree and have wanted to get a degree in biology since before I finished my first, entirely unrelated to that field (though much more marketable), degree. Everyone seems to be in love with environmental rape and collapse now and I can't muster much hope in regards to the importance of futilely trying to keep the various floundering ecologies of the world afloat anymore.

I'd resigned myself to the truth of environmental collapse but reading daily about how America has decided to kill another endangered species, actively, entirely without any remorse, has become more than I can handle.

I don't want to be doing shit in an office 'till I die, but I don't know if going back to follow what I'm actually interested and passionate about will yield much fruit, if any at all.
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Destroying nature is a good thing.

https://benthams.substack.com/p/against-biodiversity

>The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive; others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear; others are being slowly devoured from within by rasping parasites; thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst and disease.


>For example, there’s an organism called the new world screwworm that that lays magots in the flesh of their victims, causing almost incomprehensible amounts of agony as the maggots eat their way out from the inside. These worms also tend to live pretty short lives of intense suffering. So when we got rid of the new world screwworm in north America—ridding the continent of a miserable animal that reproduces by torturing other animals—I think that was a great thing! It’s possible it will turn out bad because of some weird ripple effects, but if things are as I’ve supposed, then it seems pretty great. In case you doubt my position, as you can see below, I’ve depicted it as the Chad and the alternative view as the crying angry person, so it’s very likely true.

>>26061
kill utilitarians
behead utilitarians
roundhouse kick a utilitarian into the concrete
slam dunk a utilitarian baby into the trashcan
crucify filthy utilitarians
defecate in a utilitarian's food

there is more need for conservationists now than ever before, millions despise and oppose the rape of the earth and you will find friends everywhere who will help you, even if it's not financially rewarding

>>26061
Growing up I would see villains in fiction whose ideologies are so retarded that it de-immersed me from what I was reading, but as an adult I've come to realize that reactionaries are simply like that and have podcasts and substacks where they say so plainly.

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>>26172
I used to hate how cartoonishly evil villains were in some work of fiction, and thought moral ambiguity and all sides doing bad things was closer to the truth. Now I am an adult ruled and I realized real life is full of cartoonishly evil villains.



 

Holy shit if you actually read these guys they're straight-up ancaps and fascists. They're all small-government nationalists obsessed with life, liberty and private property. They already do the whole Schmittian state of exception thing with the state of war. And they're okay with slavery as long as its against the ignorant or its a state of war. Basically, the worst kind of dark satanic mill shit. Like Mill wants to freely sell alcohol and then put drunkards in labor camps. Nietzsche and nihilism are irrelevant, the fascists are straight-up copies of Locke and Mill. And to be honest, the Liberals do that really long-winded and dull prose that fascists do as well.

- "Two Treatises of Government" by John Locke https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/john-locke/two-treatises-of-government
- "On Liberty" by John Stuart Mill https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/john-stuart-mill/on-liberty
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Nietzsche is for the failsons specifically

>>25165
Are you 15?

>>25223
Obviously I meant that Schmit and the ancaps elaborated on tendencies already pre-existing in liberalism.

Fascists use philosophical and intellectual pretexts because, due to their ideology, they completely fail to understand the richness and nuance of discourse. Unfortunately, you do not offer a nuanced perspective on the issue; Mill's anti-slavery stance would have been interesting in this specific context. Furthermore, please elaborate on your statement: according to which philosophy or definition do you really see fascism, with examples? Locke refers to a limitation of the state's room for maneuver, which is indeed damaging, but these are founding texts, and what followed was not the intention of their authors.

>>25356
yes thats how ideology works, i can cherrypick stuff from ᴉuᴉlossnW cherrypicking sorel cherrypicking marx to prove marxism is "fascism" or whatever



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What do you think of this text?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

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>>26163
Our lord Marx and his sidekick Engels loved the Christian theology. But really, who gives a shit?

>>26164
Give me a serious analysis of this text.

To me, it is a genius and overlooked text of Marx's.
In the first part, Marx criticises political secularism as often being a motive for an intensified civic theocracy, as in the case of the US. This relates to Marx's reply to Bauer in general; that secularism is not enough, since the content of religion can transform itself in new ways. Such is the case of Judaism and Christianity; the Christian imagines that they have extinguished Judaism, but really, they are "inwardly circumcised" Jews, in the Paulian sense. The absence of the external Jew does not negate the internal Jew, and so on. Further, what is the spectre of Jewishness? To Marx and Bauer, the Jew represents capitalism in the realm of civil society, while the Christian sublimes this relation in the state. The Christian state thus preserves an inner Judaism, or as Marx says, the Christian has become a Jew himself (e.g. a capitalist), but in a more severe form, because he spiritualises it. The honest Jew is better than the dishonest Jew; that's what I interpret.



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In this thread we list examples of western collaboration with fascism, including both private companies and governments.

>"without American petroleum and American trucks, and American credit, we could never have won the Civil War."


-Spanish diplomat José María Doussinague
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Union Banking Corporation: While Prescott Bush, father of the elder President George Bush, was its director, the Union Banking Corporation represented the interests of the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, in the 1930s. Bush was also linked to the Consolidated Silesian Steel Company, on the German-Polish border, which used slave labor from the concentration camps.

>>26152
The Rockefellers and Chase bank

>“The Rockefellers owned Standard Oil of New Jersey, the German accounts of which were siphoned through their own bank, the Chase, as well as through the independent National City Bank of New York, which also handled Standard, Sterling Products, General Aniline and Film, SKF, and ITT, whose chief, Sosthenes Behn, was a director of the N.C.B. Two executives of Standard Oil's German subsidiary were Karl Lindemann and Emil Helfferich, prominent figures in Himmler's Circle of Friends of the Gestapo-its chief financiers-and close friends and colleagues of the BIS's Baron von Schrode”


>“As war approached, the links between the Rockefellers and the Nazi government became more and more firm. In 1936 the J. Henry Schroder Bank of New York had entered into a partnership with the Rockefellers. Schroder, Rockefeller and Company, Investment Bankers, was formed as part of an overall company that Time magazine disclosed as being "the economic booster of the Rome-Berlin Axis. " The partners in Schroder, Rockefeller and Company included Avery Rockefeller, nephew of John D., Baron Bruno von Schroder in London, and Kurt von Schroder of the BIS and the Gestapo in Cologne. Avery Rockefeller owned 42 percent of Schroder, Rockefeller, and Baron Bruno and his Nazi cousin 47 percent. Their lawyers were John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles of Sullivan and Cromwell. Allen Dulles (later of the Office of Strategic Services) was on the board of Schroder. Further connections linked the Paris branch of Chase to Schroder as well as the pro-Nazi Worms Bank and Standard Oil of New Jersey in France. Standard Oil's Paris representatives were directors of the Banque de Paris et des Pays-Bas, which had intricate connections to the Nazis and to Chase.”


-TRADING WITH THE ENEMY: An Exposé of The Nazi-American Money-Plot 1933-1949

>After the Rockefellers, the next largest stockholder in Standard Oil was I.G. Farben, the giant German chemical company. This investment was part of a pattern of reciprocal investments between the U.S. and Germany during the Nazi years. During the Great Depression, Germany was viewed as a hot area in which to invest.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160216112736/https://web.mit.edu/thistle/www/v13/3/oil.html

Farben built a factory for producing synthetic oil and rubber (from coal) in Auschwitz, which was the beginning of SS activity and camps in this location during the Holocaust.
At its peak in 1944, this factory made use of 83,000 forced laborers.

The pesticide Zyklon B, for which IG Farben held the patent, was manufactured by Degesch (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Schädlingsbekämpfung), which IG Farben had 42.2 percent (in shares) of and which had IG managers in its Managing Committee. Of the 24 directors of IG Farben indicted in the so-called IG Farben Trial (1947-1948) before a U.S. military tribunal at the subsequent Nuremberg Trials, 13 were sentenced to prison terms between 1½ and eight years.

-https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_igfarben08.htm

IBM

Hitler awarded prestigious decorations to Thomas J. Watson, IBM’s chief executive officer. Its German subsidiary, with the support of the American company, helped the Nazi government with a punch-card mechanism for identifying Jews, Gypsies, and other ‘undesirables,’ thus making it possible to destroy that population in Germany and the occupied countries. Each concentration camp kept tabs on inmates using IBM’s technology; IBM trained SS personnel in how to use their machines to record the movement, sorting, and mass execution within the death camps. Without this technology, the camps could never have achieved their horrendous numbers, and the Final Solution would not have been as final.

https://jewishcurrents.org/doing-business-with-hitler


There’s also a book on the subject called IBM and the holocaust

Following the rise of Hitler to power, Teagle and Hermann Schmitz jointly gave a special assignment to Ivy Lee, the notorious New York publicity man, who had for some years worked for the Rockefellers. They engaged Lee for the specific purpose of economic espionage. He was to supply I.G. Farben, and through it the Nazi government, with intelligence on the American reaction to such matters as the German armament program, Germany's treatment of the Church, and the organization of the Gestapo. He was also to keep the American public bamboozled by papering over the more evil aspects of Hitler's regime. For this, Lee was paid first $3,000 then $4,000 annually, the money paid to him through the Bank for International Settlements in the name of I.G. Chemie. The contract was for obvious reasons kept oral and the money was transferred in cash. No entries were made in the books of the employing companies or in those of Ivy Lee himself. After a short period Lee's salary was increased to $25,000 per year and he began distributing inflammatory Nazi propaganda in the United States on behalf of I.G. Farben, including virulent attacks on the Jews and the Versailles Treaty.

–TRADING WITH THE ENEMY: An Exposé of The Nazi-American Money-Plot 1933-1949

http://www.whale.to/b/higham_b.html



 

ITT post information about the history and anthropology of the New World. A lot of new anthropological work has been done in this field in recent decades that has not yet entered public consciousness.
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New Ancient Americas on a popular topic:
The Secrets of Inca Masonry

Basketmaker Culture and Puebloan Origins

Settlement containing a stela with Maya influences found at the site of a new housing development in Coatepec, Veracruz


New Classic Maya site with Rio Bec style temple and multiple monuments containing inscriptions found in the central Maya lowlands in Campeche. The site is notable for having no signs of looting.

Palenque: Discoveries You Haven't Seen Before
from Archaeologist Ed Barnhart (his personal youtube channel), who led the Palenque Mapping Project (1998-2000). He's an excellent communicator about Archeology and his professional focus is central and south America. This video is covering some lesser known details about the site.



 

I already believe 80% the population will die from climate change and the rest will be enslaved by clankkkers, I just need some certainty.

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>>26120
jimmie dore read the epstein files and he had a break down. he realised revolution and change is not possible because the bourgeoise is too powerful.

>>26142
Bro you're on /edu/ right now. Have some respect.

>>26120
If you want to be a nihilist doomer you can go over to pol.

You want to be blackpilled?

you’ve wasted your life trying to be edgy online and people you meet can smell it wafting off you because being too online socially stunts you




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Glushkov, Kantorovich, OGAS, Cockshot, Cybersyn etc.

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Damn I fucked the spoiler

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Im a fucking idiot so all my knowledge about cybernetics comes from this article https://mltheory.wordpress.com/2022/04/12/cybernetics-in-the-ussr-a-marxist-leninist-perspective/



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