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/isg/ - Internet Spectacle General

A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together with the Leftypol Twitter account:

Reminder That None of This Is Real!
ɢʀᴀʙ ᴀ ᴘᴀɪʀ ᴏꜰ sᴘᴇᴄᴛᴀᴄʟᴇs


>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blq9sCIyXgA

>The Culture Industry from Dialectic of Enlightenment (1944) by Theodore Adorno & Max Horkheimer

📓 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/adorno/1944/culture-industry.htm
📖 • https://libcom.org/article/dialectic-enlightenment-philosophical-fragments-theodor-adorno-and-marx-horkheimer
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hSLdd8R8mY

<One-Dimensional Man (1964) by Herbert Marcuse

📖 • https://libcom.org/article/one-dimensional-man-studies-ideology-advanced-industrial-society-herbert-marcuse
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZCoLbEkAqs

>Discipline and Punish (1975) by Michel Foucault

📖 • https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michel-foucault-discipline-and-punishment
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFbywfzu-jI

<Simulacra and Simulation (1981) by Jean Baudrillard

📖 • https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=DBF3E860993373223D72E98FADF0F2DC
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S96e6TdJlNE

>Manufacturing Consent (1988) by Edward S. Herman & Noam Chomsky

📖 • https://libcom.org/article/manufacturing-consent-political-economy-mass-media-noam-chomsky-and-edward-s-herman
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LGPIXvU5M

<The Sublime Object of Ideology (1989) by Slavoj Zizek

📖 • https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=054E022C8BD24EE2C5595B575BCED7DC
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtIckkHsUQ4

>Postscript on the Societies of Control (1990) by Gilles Deleuze

📖 • https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/gilles-deleuze-postscript-on-the-societies-of-control
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu4Cq_-bLlY

<Postmodernism, or, the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism (1991) by Fredric Jameson

📖 • https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=5BD20E0E22FC8BC2CB4F8A7760D57027
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RtV0oO8Pmg

>Spectres of Marx (1993) by Jacques Derrida

📖 • https://libcom.org/library/specters-marx-jacques-derrida
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJr0NwXWb6Q

<Capitalist Realism (2009) by Mark Fisher

📖 • https://libcom.org/article/capitalist-realism-mark-fisher
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cb5XJH4NMI



>Precursor Material to Post-modernity and Critical Theory

📖 • Karl Marx - Book 1, Chapter 4 of Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts (1844)
📺 • Why Marx Was Right: Alienation - PlasticPills

📖 • Georg Lukács - Chapter 4 of History and Class Consciousness (1923)
📺 • Marxism After Marx: Reification - The Marxist Project

📖 • Antonio Gramsci - Book 1, Chapter 1 of Selections from the Prison Notebooks (1929)
📺 • Hegemony: WTF? An introduction to Gramsci and cultural hegemony - Tom Nicholas

📖 • Louis Althusser - Ideology and Ideological State Apparatuses (1970)
📺 • Althusser's Concept of Ideology: A Discussion with Anthony Gavin - Acid Horizon

<On Neo-Liberalism and Post-Fordism

[Work in progress]


The Society of the Spectacle (1974) by Guy Debord

Manufacturing Consent (1992) by Mark Achbar & Peter Wintonick, with Noam Chomsky

The Pervert's Guide to Cinema (2006) and The Pervert's Guide to Ideology (2012) by Sophie Fiennes, with Slavoj Zizek

HyperNormalisation (2006) by Adam Curtis

<Easy-Bake Breadtube (for absolute beginners)

We're All Fake Now - Wisecrack

Are Cell Phones Replacing Reality? - PBS Idea Channel

The Cultural Significance of Cyberpunk - Cuck Philosophy

Introduction to Critical Theory for the 21st Century - NATHANOLOGY


I Don’t Want to Be an Internet Person by Ginevra Davis

Pluralistic: Tiktok's enshittification by Cory Doctorow

Facebook's Threads is so depressing by Jason O. Gilbert
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🗽United States Politics🦅

Absolute State of America Edition

Thread for the hellish discussion related to the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the Earth.


State mandated propaganda livestreams:
CNN: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html
MSNBC: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html
FOX: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html
Bloomberg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8PhLsUcFEegalitarianism
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What made a homeless man with a mom that died when he was still a teenager into an extreme anti-communist social darwinist that believed in shoving homeless people and anyone that wasn't a middle class german into concentration camps?
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News 6/12/24

Linguist and activist Noam Chomsky hospitalized in his wife’s native country of Brazil after stroke
Valeria Chomsky said via email that her 95-year-old husband is in a Sao Paulo hospital, where she took him on an ambulance jet with two nurses once he could more easily travel from the United States following the June 2023 stroke. The couple has had a residence there since 2015.

Milei reform bill hangs in balance as riots rage outside Argentine Congress
The main left-leaning Peronist opposition bloc, closely allied to the unions, is likely to vote down what is known as the "bases" bill and a separate fiscal package. The main bill includes plans for privatizing public firms, granting special powers to the president and spurring investment.

Colombia’s teachers strike over pending education reform
The compromise agreed between the minister and the opposition includes the “opening of education to the market under the pretext of improving quality,” which would make it more difficult for poor people to get decent education, and higher education in particular. Fecode and Osorio additionally accused Vergara of agreeing to the controversial compromises without consulting with the teachers and their union.

Israel pushes out dozens of aid workers by not extending visas
Since the war in Gaza began eight months ago, Israeli authorities have been quietly hindering the work of NGOs by not issuing temporary work visas to aid workers, nor renewing existing ones. Dozens of foreigners working for NGOs focusing their work in Palestine have had to leave their homes, usually in Jerusalem, as their visas have expired. Israel has also changed its policy toward U.N. system organizations, amid the biggest crisis in the region in decades.

Yazidi Nationality Bill sparks debate and opposition in Iraqi parliament
Yazidi activist Maiser Saeed told The New Arab's Arabic-language sister publication, Al-Araby Al-Jadeed that the Yazidis have endured significant oppression under ISIS and deserve recognition as a distinct Iraqi nationality. Saeed stressed that the bill would treat Yazidi as a nationality in terms of rights and duties, while not negating their religious identity.

Opposition party agrees to join SA unity government
The leader of South Africa's Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP) says his party has agreed to form part of a government of national unity that includes the African National Congress (ANC) and the biggest opposition party, the Democratic Alliance (DA). Velenkosini Hlabisa told reporters at a media briefing in Durban on Wednesday: "The only options were to become part of the government, or part of the opposition." "The people of South Africa who voted said that political parties must find a common ground," Mr Hlabisa said.

ITUC African body calls for action against child labour on the continent
“Worldwide, the agriculture sector accounts for the largest share of child labour. In Africa, agriculture accounts for 85 per cent of all child labour and 61.4 million children in absolute terms.” It said: “Many African children toil in private homes as servants, in farming, construction sites, mines, garages, shops and other enterprises in the informal sector.

US lifts ban on sending weapons to Ukraine’s Azov Brigade
Azov is the best-known name of the Ukrainian extreme right that emerged in 2014, following the Maidan Revolution. It is a political and military movement founded by extremist and ultranationalist elements that contributed to the overthrow of pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych. … Since the war in Donbas, the United States had prohibited the weapons it sent to Ukraine from ending up in the hands of Azov. This has been the case until Tuesday, when the White House State Department announced that the Azov Brigade will finally be able to receive U.S. war equipment.

Heat wave in Greece halts visits to Acropolis as drones with thermal cameras monitor temperatures
The ancient site in the Greek capital — which drew nearly 4 million visitors last year — was closed from midday till 5 p.m. as the temperature was set to reach 39 degrees Celsius (102 degrees Fahrenheit). Elementary schools and preschool classes were also canceled in parts of southern and central Greece where the temperatures were highest.

Starmer promises ‘long-term strategy’ in business-friendly Labour manifesto
The Labour manifesto will promise to not raise corporation tax, and to launch a new industrial strategy with clean energy at its centre and enact rapid planning reforms to incentivise developers to build new infrastructure.
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Friendly reminder

The loginwall is coming. It is only a matter of time, until Invidious, Newpipe etc. will die. Now is the last chance to download all your favourite videos/music.
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/brg/ - Brazil General

D.E.P. Maria da Conceição Tavares Edition.

O lugar mais web-revolucionários para discutir as idas e vindas de nossa amada Pindorama.
Edição anterior: >>1793453
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Rouge trader (40k) is so overexaggerated

I’ve been thinking about the imperium’s image for most fans, and I’m noticing just exaggerated everything about that faction’s lore is.

Hive worlds
Like think about these planets for a second. These supposedly ‘kardashev type 1’ societies that function as ecumenopolies, but when taking into account the number of planets the estimated 3.5 quadrillion humans in the 40k universe occupy, the number of moons available, the fact that human settlements exist on a hierarchy rather than being centralized urban centres, and the fact that not every human necessarily is on or lives on a planet or moon and you end up with hive cities that are either moderately dense or just straight up empty for most of the time they’re functioning (even on planets not considered deathworlds). Like fuck, the way the writers describe hive cities is similar to the way advertisers describe cities like Tokyo and New York; they are big cities, but they aren’t gargantuan—especially as they plateau in density relative to one’s displacement from their centres.

Then there’s the conflicts. Even the writers can’t be bothered to pretend as if the Milky Way is always in a state of galaxy-ending conflicts. The vast majority of the imperiums battles aren’t fought by space marines or the guardsman but by the PDF forces and the navy. It’s not like the latter two forces do nothing, but they’re only active like once every few decades to centuries—or even millennia. Even with major conflicts like the crusades or the heresy, the galaxy as a whole will never see a conflict like the cybernetic revolt ever again… and that’s in the worst possible scenario; there’s plenty of worse conflicts in sci fi.

Additionally the ‘untold billions’ is shockingly low given how long humanity has been around for (the same applies for the other factions). No really, if the human population were to grow by even 0.1% each earth year, by m.42 there would be 8.16*10^26 people. A number that’s a far cry from the 3.5 quadrillion to 330+ quadrillion estimates for the 40k population by the fan base.

There’s really not much more I can add to this. For as hard as the authors try to make the galaxy seem, there really isn’t that much wrong with the world building of rouge trader. Anyone getting into the series today that actually takes anything going on seriously misses the point of this goofy fucking tabletop game.
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The EU has fallen. America is the last hope for humanity.

With Europe going full fascist, Russia being dragged into war with the EU, China being geographically surrounded by enemies, and the third world being too oppressed to rise up…
America, a country that leans right-wing, has somehow ended up as the last hope for communism and humanity to succeed over the forces of evil.

We face extinction and the forces of evil seem determined to drag us down into oblivion. Not only do we have to have a cultural revolution in America to change its internal right-wing bias, but we also need to wage war against fascism overseas. What leftists called "the great satan" has now become a sort of helm's deep, a last refuge against the mindless euroach fascist masses.

What can we do? How do we win?
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Multipolarism, in its most basic form, posits a world where multiple powers (countries or entities) exist in a state of relative equilibrium, challenging the unipolar hegemony led mainly by the United States post-Cold War. The emergence of China, the reassertion of Russia, the rise of regional powers like India, Brazil, and South Africa, among others, suggest a move towards this multipolar world.

BUT is it rly just Capitalism 2: Electric Boogaloo - Neo-Dengism Edition? To what extent is multipolarism just capitalist nationalism for people not in green on this map? If the whole thrust of socialism is now just "America bad" what becomes of the classical socialist goals of workers control of the means of production, and abolishing class society?

🇧🇷 • /brg/ - Brazil general >>>/leftypol/1793453
🇷🇺🇺🇦 • /ukr/ - Russia-Ukraine war general >>>/leftypol/1867900
🇮🇳 • /subcontinental/ - India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Buthan general >>>/leftypol/1828924
🇨🇳 • /prc/ - People's Republic of China general >>>/leftypol/211384
🇿🇦 • /africa/ - Africa general >>>/leftypol/1831758
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/ukr/ - Russia-Ukraine war general #178: Optimus Maximus Edition

Remember!!: I don't care who you are, I'm not voting for NATO!

Previous thread: >>>/leftypol/1867900


Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine



Live maps and updates
DeepStateMap: https://deepstatemap.live
Events in Ukraine: https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/
SouthFront: https://southfront.org/category/all-articles/world/europe/ukraine/

Watch Together
📺 News/events: https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash
📺 Hangout/chill: https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast

Watch By Yourself
>Video Essays / Historical Background
📺 Ukraine: The Avoidable War - Boy Boy

📺 America, Russia, and Ukraine's Far Right - Gravel Institute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0pyVJG7_6Q (Link TBA)

📺 Crimea vs Taiwan: Who Gets Self-Determination? - BadEmpanada

📺 The Nature of Putin's Russia and Its Causes (3-Part Series) - 1Dime

<Current Happenings

📺 The Grayzone: https://www.youtube.com/@thegrayzone7996
📺 DDGeopolitics: https://www.youtube.com/@DDGeopolitics
📺 Defense Politics Asia: https://www.youtube.com/@DefensePoliticsAsia
📺 The Duran: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdeMVChrumySxV9N1w0Au-w
📺 The News Atlas: https://www.youtube.com/c/thenewatlas
📺 Military Summary: https://www.youtube.com/@militarysummary


Social media



Thread guidelines:
• Please remember to add a spoiler to NSFW and extreme content such as graphic violence and gore.
• Try your best to not derail discussion too much from the main events and relevant places where the war is taken place, as well as other happenings, groups and public figures related to it.
• Meta discussion of the historical, philosophical and ideological background of the war is fine as long as its done in good faith and comradely.
• In the event the meta discussion overstays its welcome, participating users will be referred to take the conversation to the MULTIPOLARISM general thread: >>>/leftypol/1590991
• Quality shitposting and original content is encouraged! Spamming glowie memes is low effort.
• Remember to take your meds! It helps mediate schizoposting and foot fetishism
• this is /isg/ for people who treat geopolitics like shitty map games
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Palestine vs. The Zionist Entity #88: Phoneposting Edition


🚨 Live Happenings/Updates 🚨

Al-Jazeera: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/6/11/israels-war-on-gaza-live-ray-of-hope-after-unsc-approves-ceasefire

Middle East Eye: https://www.middleeasteye.net/israel-palestine-hamas-war-gaza-live-invasion

The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/palestinian-territories

Times of Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/liveblog/ (trigger warning)


Our own wiki. Be sure to add to it and create branching articles:



From the UK, single issue long time Palestinian investigative and general reporting, critical source

From the USA

Regional news from an anti-imperialist perspective

Premier Human Rights org

Left news and opinion webzine from Tel-Aviv

A collection of resources for organizers and anyone who wants to learn more about Palestine

Known anti-zionist academic Norman Finkelstein's blog



al-Qassam Brigades









(This includes blatantly obvious concern failtrolling/fedposting, painfully unfunny/nuclear misanthropic autism [ie. /pol/] and derailing/hyper sectarian schizophrenia)

Always remember to double-check your sources, as well as provide access to it.

الله أكبر
.الى جميع الكادحين في الشرق، ان مصيركم في ايديكم
!يا عمال العالم ويا شعوبه المضطهدة، اتحدوا
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Chinese labour productivity

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that the Chinese government and the CPC are deliberately sabotaging efforts to implement fordist principles into the country’s manufacturing sector, so the country’s industrial labour force remains cheap and readily exploitable for literally the entirety of the planet (yes even the ‘poor countries’ of the world). I believe that there is no other explanation for how the both governments can host about record economic growth and exports, while the country’s largest factories still rely on direct human labour to produce whatever the fuck the world needs or wants.
There is no other reason for China’s modern factories to not use more machinery and more educated job seekers to produce higher quality goods for both domestic and foreign markets. Shame on Dengists, the Chinese government, and the CPC for not taking advantage of the opportunities available to them. >:(
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What do you think of the Lumpenproletariat?

>In Marxist theory, the Lumpenproletariat (German: [ˈlʊmpn̩pʁoletaˌʁi̯aːt] ; /ˌlʌmpənproʊlJˈtɛəriət/) is the underclass devoid of class consciousness. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels coined the word in the 1840s and used it to refer to the unthinking lower strata of society exploited by reactionary and counter-revolutionary forces, particularly in the context of the revolutions of 1848. They dismissed the revolutionary potential of the Lumpenproletariat and contrasted it with the proletariat. Among other groups, criminals, vagabonds, and prostitutes are usually included in this category

>The Social Democratic Party of Germany made wide use of the term by the turn of the century. Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky followed Marx's arguments and dismissed the revolutionary potential of the group, while Mao Zedong argued that proper leadership could utilize it. The word Lumpenproletariat, popularized in the West by Frantz Fanon's The Wretched of the Earth in the 1960s, has been adopted as a sociological term. However, what some consider to be its vagueness and its history as a term of abuse has led to some criticism. Some revolutionary groups, most notably the Black Panther Party and the Young Lords, have sought to mobilize the Lumpenproletariat
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Is there any information on Sükhbaatar and the revolution? And what do Mongolians think of socialism in general? I'm guessing that they lean positively, since Sükhbaatar still has a statue dedicated to him.
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Nebulous "Freedom"

In the imperial core the concept of freedom is used very effectively to suppress class consciousness, particularly owing to its deliberate lack of specificity. In the imperial core proletarians are only are "free" (haha) to project their own inner desires on onto the word "freedom" whenever the bourgeois politicians use it to wax rhetorical. What kinds of freedom are there? In my mind there are multiple dimensions.

The first dimension is the To/From dimension of "freedom"

>There is freedom TO do things. Freedom TO become bourgeois. Freedom TO own a business. Freedom TO bomb the savages. Freedom TO genocide the undesirables.

<Then there is freedom FROM having things done to you. Namely bad things. This is the type of freedom the people in the imperial core are trained to ignore. The type of freedom that is more abstract, and comes up less often, but is possibly even more important on a society wide scale than the other type of freedom.

Then there is the General/Specific dimension of "freedom"

>Freedom for people in society to GO FISHING is GENERAL.


Then there is the Spatial/Temporal dimension of "freedom"


<Freedom to drive ONLY IN YOUR COUNTRY is a SPATIAL freedom.

Then there is Absolute/Relative dimension of "freedom."

>Absolutely, a prole is NOT free.

<Relative to bourgeoisie a prole is NOT free.
<Relative to slaves and prisoners and refugees a prole is free.
<Relative to besieged nations in the imperial periphery proles in the imperial core are free.

Feel free to critique this critique of freedom but the TL;DR here is that the bourgeoisie leverages the ways in which you are free to hide the ways in which you are not. They appeal to your aspirations by telling you that you or your family is "free TO" climb the ranks of class society if they just lick boot for several generations or set aside whatever tiny amount they make above subsistence, or avoid addictions and luxuries, etc. They tell you that you are "RELATIVELY free" compared to the savages who you are "free TO" join the military and bomb/sanction/coup/embargo/loot.

When troops in the imperial core say they "fought for freedom" they mostly mean RELATIVE freedoms and freedoms TO oppress others, and TEMPORARY freedoms (i.e. bourgeois concessions) which dry up after a while.
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Casi nuevo hilo, para un casi nuevo año. As always we allow everyone to speak english, we are not Ukrainian fascists.
Conmemorando a Alexis Castillo esta ocasión.

Para luego buscarlo en el catálogo:
Latinoamérica, Latin America, LATAM, /lat/, latinoamérica, latino américa, hispanoamerica, /ñ/
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/prc/ - People's Republic of China general

A general thread for all China related discussion.

Original threads:
leftypol.org archives:
bunekrchan.xyz archives:
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Why do /pol/acks hate rap?

Rap is extremely politically incorrect, liberally uses the gamer word, glorifies guns, thug, culture, and misogyny. It's everything /pol/ loves. Is it just because they hate blacks more?
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Forms of proletarian organization

Political parties (electoral and vanguard)
Mutual Aid Groups
Worker Co-operatives
Labor Unions
Tenant Unions
Worker Councils (Soviets)
Worker Militias (Cadres)

Are these all the types of proletarian organizations? Are there any missing? How should these organizations relate to each other? Should they all submit to a party line? To what extent should they seek interclass help (legal counsel, charity, consumer cooperatives, educational institutions etc.). What about legal vs. illegal activity?
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what kinda guns do you guys rock?

i’m from >>>/pol/. my assumption would be AK larps, but i am genuinely intrigued.
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draw /pol/jak

in kind with this thread >>>/siberia/162618 collecting /pol/jak memes, let's make some OC on /draw/
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This is NOT a drill.

Chomsky appears to be on death's door. He's 95 and just had a stroke.

At the very least, give him your prayers, say psalms for a full and speedy recovery (he's Jewish so it makes sense to do the Jewish tradition), give him your positive energy, and all that.

Use this thread to keep everyone updated.

I can't believe he may finally go. I truly believed he would live to be 100 or never die.
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Vassalized Britain

How did a colonizing power become economically cucked by its own former colony?
>From assets to businesses, the high street to the internet, US investors have a stranglehold on Britain’s economy.
<Nowhere has America asserted its economic dominance more strongly than in Britain, where around two million people now work for US companies. Tens of billions of dollars per year are transferred across the Atlantic in the form of dividends paid on the proceeds of British work, conducted on behalf of American owners. A jaunty little map on the Office for National Statistics website gives the good news that our goods exports to America actually outweigh our imports by a few billion. Go, Global Britain! But a less accessible chart, found in the deeper reaches of the website of the American tax authority, the IRS, tells a different story: in 2020 (the latest year on record) the revenue recorded by American companies in the UK was over $707bn, more than ten times the amount made in the entire continent of Africa. In 2019, large US corporations made an (aggregated) profit of £2,500 from every household in the UK.
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/Occult/ - Study General

👁️🪬🧿Secret Societies & Cryptocracy Study 🏛️🤝🐲

Being well aware that capitalism is the root of all problems and not some Catholic / Zionist Masonic Lodge or a Council of 13 I want to dedicate a thread towards the study of what these organizations actually are, how they accumulated their wealth from their foundation, what their influence is and what their goals are.

This is not a Poltard thread about "da jooz"! This is a thread dedicated towards the study of said esoteric societies / "magical" organizations and their spheres of influence.

From the illumnati, to the anarchist The Black Hand, to the obscure Neo-Nazi pedo cults given by the Order of Nine Angels & Temple Ov Blood, to the Mormons, to the pyramid scheme of the Church of Scientology, LaRouche and so on! How they infiltrate government positions, political parties and what we know about them.

Recommended books for analysis (links not included, might post PDFs in the thread):
-Occult Features of Anarchism by Christopher Scott Thompson and the Erica Lagalisse
-Bakunin's Anti-Jacobinism: 'Secret. Societies' For Self-Emancipating. Collectivist Social Revolution by Robert M. Cutler
-Revolutionary Demonology by Gruppo Di Nun
-Any book on the illumnati (c'mon they're in your supermarket's books aisle! Lets have a laugh)
-Magick by Aleister Crowley
-The Golden Dawn: The Original Account of the Teachings, Rites & Ceremonies of the Hermetic Order by Eminem aka Marshall Bruce Mathers II 's Ancestors (just kidding, Israel Regardie and John Michael Greer)
-Liber Null & Psychonaut: The Practice of Chaos Magic by Peter J. Carroll and Ronald Hutton
-The Chaos Protocols: Magical Techniques for Navigating the New Economic Reality by Gordon White
-Don't touch this book by Jan Udo Holey (Jan van Helsing) ((Funny rightoid schizo))

Lets turn on the vacuum cleaner to start hunting spooks and demystifying them!
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Wikispooks and Independent Journalism Thread

What is the general consensus on Wikispooks? I don't see it being talked about that often on here.

I think it's a good source for normalfags but gives too much credit to right wingers and neo nazis by treating them like innocent journalists that are snuffed by the big evil gov/corps. Also Independent Journalism thread.
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Chinese labour productivity

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that the Chinese government and the CPC are deliberately sabotaging efforts to implement fordist principles into the country’s manufacturing sector, so the country’s industrial labour force remains cheap and readily exploitable for literally the entirety of the planet (yes even the ‘poor countries’ of the world). I believe that there is no other explanation for how the both governments can host about record economic growth and exports, while the country’s largest factories still rely on direct human labour to produce whatever the fuck the world needs or wants.
There is no other reason for China’s modern factories to not use more machinery and more educated job seekers to produce higher quality goods for both domestic and foreign markets. Shame on Dengists, the Chinese government, and the CPC for not taking advantage of the opportunities available to them. >:(
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/leftyco/ - Hell taker and Homestuck edition

Comics and cartoons are the industried were the contradictions of capitalism are the most noticeableYou know them I know them.
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The honorary leader of the Communist Party in my country (also a founder of the former Association of European Communist Parties) recently founded a parallel, anti-imperialist party whose main concern is reclaiming the economy from what he characterizes as an oppressive "global financial system". He claims communism can never be achieved (even on a smaller scale) until the workers are freed from the soft colonization of neo-imperialist forces led by the "new bourgeoisie", defined as a class of multimillionaires/billionaires with direct or indirect control/monopoly on the means of productions, politics and mass media.

The interesting thing is, his message resonates with the voters of smaller anti-establishment parties, even on the right. He only failed to get a seat in the parliament because he refused to form an alliance with another alternative party as it wasn't explicitly on the left (it was a centrist party and together, they had enough votes; roughly the same voter-base was basically split in two equal parts and that failed to get both elected). He later changed his mind on the matter, reaching the conclusion that opposing supranational financial/political institutions is the single most important issue that prevents the self-determination of workers (and by extension communism itself), which is why he's now willing to find compromise with whatever party shares the same concerns -including anti-establishment parties on the right or even the far right.

I don't believe in the horseshoe theory but I'm more and more convinced it is possible for people on the fringe of the political spectrum to get "politicized" (and then, possibly radicalized) because of the same kinds of issues/struggle; they may fall on the opposite side of the spectrum, but that's only because external influences framed the same problems in different ways, and that led them to pursue different/opposite solutions and ideologies.
The only people that benefit from such ideological divisionism are the ones that have no interest in finding solutions for problems that are common to both sides (or at least, to the people on both sides); alternatively, it's people that actively benefit from such problems.

It's unpopular by definition but I genuinely believe the fact we're blinded by our differences is the single most determining factor in the common failure to solve the problems that led people to the opposite side of the spectrum in the first place.
Compromise will never be found and the circus will continue indefinitely.
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Doom general

So we are getting both a nu-Doom prequel and Hexen spiritual successor, aren't we?
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Confused person

But… have we actually tried reversing the accumulation of capital so that it isn't concentrated into the hands of a few? This seems to be the best argument against capitalism that I've seen, yet I don't really see any argument for why we can't simply legislatively undo accumulation through tax, seizures, etc other than 'noo they wont let us'. Granted that's a problem but it doesn't strike me as a necessarily true statement? Why *can't* we just have social democracy that progresses into socialism possibly later. Why do we necessarily have the dichotomy of 'socialism or barbarism'?

i dunt get it
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How strong is the far-left in France? Is being a communist socially acceptable there?
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Experimental & avant-garde metal

Post experimental, progressive, avant-garde etc. metal music. The more experimental and out-there the better.
Kicking the thread off with Igorrr. Baroque-influenced tracks that combine various musical styles like breakcore, industrial, death metal and even polka, as well as often featuring screaming vocals by Öxxö Xööx.
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Childhood is to think Christianity destroyed the World. Adulthood is to realize the dominant classses will always use religion as a tool regardless of their context, and that Christianity was actually progressive in his early context, since It was a "religion of women and slaves." I still dislike the homophobia and the exclusiveness of God but now i realized how silly i was when i thought Christianity was the reason of the World (and particularly my country and Latin America generally) to suck
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Chainsaw Man

PV for the adaptation is finally out.
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Pirate Thread

Pirate thread, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum

Post about pirates and and piracy be it on the high seas or the internet!
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/ttg/ - Tech Team General

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Moderation Thread

Come dispute bans, complain, and other such things related to /leftypol/ here. Please try not to spam this thread or make multiple posts on the same issue, as this makes it harder for us to respond to issues.

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it's been up for over 20 min on /siberia/
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Fallout General - What side is do you choose in Fallout new Vegas ?

of course most /pol/tards side with caser's legion but looking at it almost every single faction is awful one way or the other, The NCR is literally a reboot of America that is in the middle of a manifest destiny, House is a egotistical maniac and probably appeals to Musk bros and Yes man is just a libertarian wet dream
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What happened?

I don’t get it. Five years ago we were told this girl was going to save pop music. She made an album where she blended art pop with trap, industrial and dark ambient. She was single-handedly usurping the control if the major labels. She is also extremely socially conscious and leftist, basically the zoomer Joan Baez. Now she’s only released one song in the past two years and it’s bland as hell. Why
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Linux General

Linux thread including trends, technical knowledge (i.e. sysadmin/automation) and more
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South Africa May29 Election

Latest polling is picrel. Two communist parties at ~12% each. What are the implications of implications? Also: lol at the single white dude ("center" right, ofc).
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OC Thread 16.0

Thread dedicated to /leftypol/ original content.
>Post original content you've made, or OC someone else recently made which you want to share.
<Or ITT collaborate on improving content already made.

If your original content is good enough, it would most likely be shared on the /leftypol/ twitter account!
Make sure to follow us and feel free to leave suggestions on this thread~

previous thread: >>1465628
>>>/leftypol_archive/1465628 (if it gets archived by mods)

Leftypol memes and other undesirables:

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Boyd Rice and other (?)Nazi(?) Musicians

Can someone who is a fan or something explain what this guy's fucking deal is? Why is he releasing albums on major labels while prancing around with Wolfsangels and other pseudo-swastikas?
People say it's all full of double meanings, but his music is so unpleasant to listen to, it's such a celebration of anti-intellectualism and being braindead that I end up too disgusted to even listen to it.
Before you immediately assume I'm not "in on it" I'm a big fan of Genocide Organ, who have a similar approach of using reactionary symbols as a weapon against reactionary ideology. When it comes to this guy, I mean, he's hanging out with Tom Metzger and Bob Heick. Stewart Home, who seems like a pretty cool guy, directly accused him of being a Nazi, in an article that is here but I have yet to read it
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Ted Kaczynski is based

So you think you are a worthless NEET? Let's see what uncle Ted has to say:
>The people whose behavior is fairly well under the control of the system are those of the type that might be called “bourgeois.” But there are growing numbers of people who in one way or another are rebels against the system: welfare leeches, youth gangs, cultists, satanists, Nazis, radical environmentalists, militia-men, etc.

NEETs are rebelling against the system! We are part of the rebellion! Ted is based!!!
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Fascism and Reformism as the Right and Left hands of the Bourgeoisie

Scratch a liberal or conservative and a fascist bleeds? True but entirely beside the point.

Scratch a fascist and the bourgeoisie bleeds. Scratch a reformist and the bourgeoisie bleeds. That's the heart of it. Fascists and reformists aren't the same thing, but one paves the road that the other will drive on. This is why certain reactionaries and revisionists think that LGBT rights or whatever is fascism. No. It's reformism. What is reformism? It's the bourgeoisie backpedaling and giving concessions. Why do they do this? So you let your guard down. Social democratic concessions to the working class and other forms of reform (like civil rights for marginalized groups) are not the bread and butter of fascism itself, but they are the bait that the bourgeoisie lays before letting loose the fascist hounds. Both reformers, whether bourgeois or not, and fascists, whether bourgeois or not, are controlled by the bourgeoisie. This is an important distinction. Reformism is the left hand strategy of the bourgeoisie in decline. Fascism is the right hand status of the bourgeoisie in decline. The bourgeoisie treats you like a dog, fills your bowl with reforms with their left hand, and while your head is bowed and you are eating from your bowl, they take out a club called fascism with their right hand and they beat you on the head. But ultimately neither the reformers nor the fascists are in control. The bourgeoisie is still in control. And just like the bourgeoisie does away with reformists when they are done using them, they also do away with fascists when they are done using them. That is why the bourgeois governments of western Europe united against Hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW. Not because they were fundamentally opposed to fascism itself, but because they were done using the fascists.

A underappreciated work that explains this in great detail, and which I think needs to be revisited by the modern left, is "Fascism and Social Revolution" by Rajani Palme Dutt


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Quadcopter adventurism

I'm looking for weapon advice. I want to destroy or temporarily shut down a local factory making ordnance for the genocide in Gaza. I want to avoid explosives because they're hard to test and easy to kill yourself with. I think incendiary is a good idea. Because this is an ordnance factory, the fire department might evacuate instead of trying to put out a fire. I also have access to firearms.

I'd like this to be lightweight so that I can deliver it by air and avoid climbing onto the roof myself. My first plan was a road flare pointed at the roof with a tripod, the idea being to hit it with a long sustained flame. But two tests on a wood platform covered in roofing material charred the wood underneath without actually igniting the platform. Commercial roofing is going to be thicker and more fire resistant than what I've got. What should I do?
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AI generated images - Gommunist Edition

Post your AI generated image collection. Also by the way the new midjourney v5.1 update has made realistic image making more easier. Good time to be alive for communist aesthetic lovers !
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/leftydeutschpol/ - Deutschland General

Letzter Pfaden wurde dank der /Pol/acken vom Brett gepusht. Deshalb ein neues Deutschland General.
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Is Tribalism, ethnocentrism, and preference for ones own people, religion, and culture inevitable? And if so, doesn't this hurt the universalism of communism? Is homophily just "human nature" and built into the hunter gatherer id of humans?

>Tribalism is the state of being organized by, or advocating for, tribes or tribal lifestyles. Human evolution has primarily occurred in small hunter-gatherer groups, as opposed to in larger and more recently settled agricultural societies or civilizations. With a negative connotation and in a political context, tribalism can also mean discriminatory behavior or attitudes towards out-groups, based on in-group loyalty.
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A thread for forgotten continent. Post anything related to:

Burkina Faso
Cabo Verde
Central African Republic (CAR)
Congo, Democratic Republic of the
Congo, Republic of the
Cote d’Ivoire
Equatorial Guinea
Sao Tome and Principe
Sierra Leone
South Africa
South Sudan
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pull your head out of your ass and keep it simple

the way i explain the labor to people is very simple. I cut straight to the chase.

I say these things, usually not all at once. I let people chew on each one:

> 1 If you’re a boss, and you own a business, you have to pay the worker less than their work is worth.

> 2 If you pay them exactly what their work is worth, you don’t make any money, your business won’t grow, and you’ll get bought out by some asshole who pays workers less.
> 3 If you pay a worker more than their work is worth, you’re losing money, your business will shrink, and you’ll go out of business.
> 4 the problem is the system, because the way the system is set up, workers have to beg for a job from people who own the places we work at, and the bosses only give the job to the lowest bidder, the people willing to do the most in exchange for the least in return.
> 5 everybody who can't get a job has to keep looking for a job until they get so desperate they start selling themselves for less and less
> 6 even with how little they pay us they think it's too much. so they constantly look for ways to make more money and pay less money.
> 7 they send our jobs overseas to where the labor is cheaper, and they want us to blame the people overseas even though they're the ones sending the jobs off and calling themselves job creators while they do it
> 8 they hire a bunch of overeducated nerds to make machines and programs to do our jobs for us, so they can fire us, and then they take credit for what those nerds make
> 9 they give the jobs to people who just got here and are usually running away from some fucked up shit like war and are therefore more desperate than even the average schmuck here is
> 10 despite all this shit they do to get rid of us or make us work for less money, they still need to sell the stuff they make, and if everyone's too poor to buy that shit, then they gotta lower the price
> 11 the faster they make stuff, the cheaper that stuff is because less work goes into makin it, and money is just a piece of paper that says some work got done

"oh but this is stuff marx says!"
yeah but he says it real fancy and takes a long time. keep it simple stupid.
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Your opinions on Lunduke? I think, his articles seem well researched and convincing.

>Firefox Money: Investigating the bizarre finances of Mozilla


>6 Dirty Secrets of the Linux and Open Source Industry


>Microsoft's growing control of Linux

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[Serious] Looking for in-depth resources on movement building and guerilla warfare

I live in the third world, there is relative lawlessness in the country as the central authority is weak and there exist many bourgeois militias.

The left has been virtually dead for decades and all what the current "leftist" parties care about is electoralism.

Me and my comrades are looking to fill this vacuum and start a revolutionary movement that cares less about electoralism and more about winning the direct support of the people while pursuing revolutionary change. Having an armed wing is essential as we will no doubt be under attack by reactionary militias but we also want to be close to the people and win their support before beginning a full on armed struggle.

I personally have no experience with organising or the military. So I'm looking for resources that can aid me with this. Especially the financial aspect.

Please share as much as you can everything from movement building to cyber security, including the classics.

Thanks comrades
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/leftytesg/ - Elder Scrolls General

Always wanted to make this thread, but could never find time for it until now. Discuss lore, art, modding, headcanons, C0DA and other stuff related to the games.
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Furry General 2.0

I love you guys lol
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Permaculture v2

Old thread (v1): https://leftypol.org/hobby/res/7136.html

The practice and principles of Permaculture are one of the most important tools for not only creating a sustainable socialism, but also for repairing the damage done to the global ecosystem by capitalism, and lessening your individual reliance on the current capitalist system.Permacultural practice and socialism are two very powerful allies, and learning about permaculture should be necessity for modern socialists and communists.
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america twitter activism and gaza

To clarify I am pro-Palestine and have held this stance for quite some time now. I do believe that recent wave of palestine supporters have good intentions(and done a lot of genuine good) but I find certain aspects of their activism fascinating, cause they come directly from american twitter activism and its intersecting to see that deal with a real-life issue cause over the past decade this activism has campaigned and marched for causes like american bipoc struggles and queer activism
And while I believe that the majority mean well(and actually haven't done any harm) they are employing tactics and rhetoric that don't make sense outside twitter activism, For instance I came across popular posts stating, "You probably didn't know that x is actually was Invented by Palestinians" or discussing how Palestine is connected to the experiences of black or queer people
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Anyone have artwork of the "Rodina" from the old /leftypol/ (the one on 8chan)? I ask because I'm currently looking for some artwork of the character that is beyond the image search results.
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Age and Communism

If communism isn't going to happen in your lifetime, particularly if you're older, why should you care about it? If your whole life has been spent slaving under capitalism and then socialism doesn't happen until your retirement age or even after your death, why not just be apolitical and party?
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Reverse Orwells

like British conservatives or American republicans who became communists or socialists later in life?
Henry Hyndman is an interesting case. he started as a conservative who converted to socialism after reading the Communist Manifesto and the writings of Henry George. He even founded one of the earliest socialist parties in Britain, but he was fiercely and openly anti-Semitic. Blamed Jewish bankers and "imperialist Judaism" for much of the world's state and had paranoid theories about an "Anglo-Hebraic Empire." Surprisingly, he was not racist towards other ethnic groups. He supported Independence in Asia and Africa. for example, just simply distrusted the Jews and did not like that they were overrepresented in the bourgeoisie class and emerging socialist groups
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the pornography question

"The Pornography Question"

I've been doing off and on research into what I call "The Pornography Question". Let's define pornography as explicit material, sexual in nature, created by one or more consented adults, for the consumption by adults. Basically, is it compatible with communism? Is it inherently anti-women? Is it inherently unethical? A sign of capitalist decay?

Prior to this I had a fairly negative outlook on the medium as a whole, mostly stereotypes. Mostly insofar as, assuming the overwhelming majority of women are not willingly be in the industry, either they've been coherced, trafficked or had to for the money, and thus, consuming the material is inherently harmful to women. But at the same time, I've dated a couple of Sex Workers, I've dated a dancer/softcore model and an onlyfans creator. The onlyfans creator said it was a way to empower herself, she said it was far less degrading that working as a waitress, I believe it. I never cared in either case, it's a job, get the bag, it ain't tricking if you've got it. Of course both of these relationships were before I was really a commie, so I lacked the more systemic understanding of how neoliberalism works to commodify the personal. And, admittingly, the stereotypes still played a role in the acceptance of my ex's work, ie "Something must have happened in her past to cause her to do this but I don't care that she does it".

A former friend, whom is a 36 year old former model (remember Suicidegirls?), lamented about not being able to model anymore because she was worried about the *stigma* and how it might reflect on her as a professional, career wise. She was very proud of her past career. In fact, her upbringing was very strict, with Christian gender roles and a traditionalist worldview. The same type of culture that created incredibly creepy events like Purity Balls, the same culture that normalizes treating women as objects to be traded between men. That sort of southern Christian culture that I've long rallied against. It's these personal contradictions that prompted further critical introspection into the medium as well as my own ingrained opinions on it.

Almost every study I read completely ignored or outright handwaved gay and queer porn, and this to me presents an issue. How can you handwave a significant part of a medium and then say the entire medium is bad? If someone made the argument that horror movies are degenerate bourgeoisie decadence, but only used films like Saw and Hostel as examples, that would be pretty disingenuous no? So I started reading interviews with queer people who work in the industry. 1/2 Very common sentiment was that this medium provided a space for them to express their queerness in ways they might otherwise not be able to. So, many of the earlier, more anti-pornography SWERFs and studies straight up ignored queer people, and when we do see the perspective, it's basically the opposite of the assumed one.

One issue I had with Dworkin's arguments is that she lacks a material basis for her claims, while also using a fairly narrow definition of pornography that's not really accepted by the mainstream society has a whole. She defines pornography as a medium that is inherently showcasing acts of violence against women, and then uses this definition to showcase how porn contributes to the mass normalization of a patriarchal society. Which is to say, she draws a distinction between pornography and erotica in such a way, that few others who aren't also SWERFs do. By their own definition many Onlyfans creators would not be creating pornography but erotica, because their definition of pornography requires some act to be done to a woman (rarely if ever does she mention queer people). Dworkin and her contemporaries, such as MacKinnon, distinguished between pornography and erotica based on the presence of violence and degradation. Erotica, in their view, is consensual and non-degrading sexual expression, whereas pornography inherently involves the subjugation and objectification of women. However, the overwhelming majority of people do not make this narrow distinction. This, fundamentally, is leads to issues because we're working with two definitions here.

The crux of Dworkin's argument is that pornography is a manifestation of the misogyny embedded in patriarchal society, how can this be true, if those same patriarchal forces are directly responsible for the repression and censorship of pornographic materials? Further, how can this be true if, as mentioned later we look at pre-Christian societies, and how sex was depicted in a much more open sense in a variety of cases? Further, how does this account for gay porn? Trans porn? Queer porn? Consider a typical pornographic scenerio, a slender woman is rough, passionate sex with two large, fit men. Their faces are obscured, and she's centered in the film's composition. This is, by Dworkin's definition absolutely pornography, and thus a manifestation of our patriarchal society. Now, consider the same scenario without a woman involved. A slender twink is having rough sex by two fit men. Does this evoke the same reaction inherent "wrongness" in relation to a patriarchial society, or does it evoke the inherentness of male sexuality, something we've been trained culturally to accept? Is it that our culture continues to subliminally and consciously acknowledge female sexuality as inherently innate?

You know, I've been told that you can't be pro-communist and be, you know, pro-pornography, because it's inherently anti-women, right? To be honest, the idea that there's no way a woman could want to have or participate in such activities, but if it's a man or a queer person, or gay porn or whatever, then it's different, that to me seems like inherently misogystic contradition to posit. Especially when we consider the root of this obsession with controlling the sexuality of people, namely working class people, is rooted in 17th-18th century English aristocracy. In fact, the first law that criminalized pornography was the English Obscene Publications Act 1857, and to this day, any depiction of female ejaculation in pornography is completely banned in the UK.

Soon after, similar laws spread across much of the other imperial nations of the time, America's 1865 Comstock Act (which also sought to control abortion and contraceptives), as well as Tsarist Russia, with the anti-pornography laws on the books in the USSR being inhereted from this era. We can look at former Eastern block states like East Germany and Yugoslavia for much more lax laws on the material as well. Going further back now. We can see in various pre-AD societies, that sexual expression was much different than it is in our current, western culture. From trans priestesses in Sumeria, to ancient Nubian and Cretan matriarchial societies, as well as the Japanese tradition of Shuga, among countless other examples, it's clear our society's sexual culture is not innate to the human experience itself. A historical material analysis shows us this.

We see that the rise of industrialization, and indeed the earliest stages of capitalism saw the rise of these anti-pornography censorship laws. In some places, even the mere act of masturbation was deemed obscene, causing mental illness. As the working class formed during this urbanization, industrialization period, these laws and cultural stances served as a means of controlling the working class further. Workers lived closely, often in flop houses and other packed, cramped buildings. Company towns were not uncommon. Your boss is your neighbor, and your boss is the mayor, and these additional layers of control served as a means to both pacify and create a culture of shame around the sexual nature humans inately have, these layers of control are a central means in which the capitalist class normalizes and diffuses a layer of anxiety that allows for the boss, the manager, the overseer, to enact further control over the working classes.

How can the argument that pornography, as a medium, is inherently a manifestation of the patriachy, if the root cause of the patriarchy, according to a Marxist feminist view, is capitalism, and we know that, during the rise of capitalism and industrialization, the culture of sexual shame and censorship was made manifest via various laws in-acted by the capitalist class to control the proletariat? Further, how can one reduce the medium to it's most obscene interactions, and then judge it on those merits alone? And finally, if those obscene interactions are done consentually, then is to judge them as inherently patriachial not, ironically, re-inforcing the patriarchal denial of women as innately sexual beings, while re-inforcing the ideal that men, innately are? We would not scoff at a man who responds to "Why did you become a porn star?" with "Because I like sex." but, the same response from a woman in our current societal framework would, for most, evoke a different reaction.

There are issues, but these issues are worker's issues. Safety, consent, trafficking, sexual harassment. Many of these issues are bought up as a way to paint pornography as inherently maleficant but, other industries are plagued with them as well. Trafficking for example, is very common for hotel house keeping services, typically women as well. Sexual harrassment from customers and co-workers plagues various industries, including tech, think about the treatment of women at game companies like Blizzard for example.

My ex, as mentioned above, was pretty open that she liked to get off, and that she felt more degraded as a waitress than selling videos online. When one asks female performers, aside from workers issues stated above, they mention the stigma. The lack of career options after they exit the industry, the social stigma, the scarlet letter that performing in porn brings upon them. Does this not reflect the same psychological control mechanisms mentioned above? If pornography is, as some of my contemporaries have put, "the peak of neoliberalism", why then, do major payment systems like Visa, Mastercard, Cashapp, Paypal, etc shutdown sex work and pornographic content creators so often?

It's for these reasons that I have to conclude that pornography, as defined in the introduction, is not inherently anti-woman, nor is it inherently bad. Like video games, or film, or music, pornography is a medium of expression, in it's case, sexual expression. Could it be that it's the very deeply ingrained sexual culture created over the last 200 years of industrialization that's the issue? Someone spends an hour playing a highly realistic simulation of war, these games are highly popular, played primarily by young men and the development of these games are often funded, in part, by the US Department of Defense. We don't have any level of shame built around these simulations of violence, yet, they often lead enlistments, to real death, real trauma. One must ask, why is sexuality shamed and admonished, but violence celebrated?
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Hello, I was wondering if I should I join PSL? I've heard a lot of good things about them, but also a lot of bad, so im pretty conflicted. If I shouln't join then what should I join instead? PCUSA?
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Star Wars Thread /2.0/

Star Wars thread; To discuss, laugh and meme about Star Wars

Don't be a cunt and may the Force be with you

New general since last one hit bump limit.
Previous general:
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This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators
Sorted by last name
>Paul Cockshott
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVBfIU1_zO-P_R9keEGdDHQ (https://invidious.snopyta.org/channel/UCVBfIU1_zO-P_R9keEGdDHQ)
https://twitter.com/PaulCockshott (https://nitter.pussthecat.org/PaulCockshott)
>Cibcom (Spanish)
https://twitter.com/cibcomorg (https://nitter.pussthecat.org/cibcomorg)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCav9ad3TMuhiWV6yP5t2IpA (https://invidious.snopyta.org/channel/UCav9ad3TMuhiWV6yP5t2IpA)
>Tomas Härdin
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5fDgA_eHleDiTLC5qb5g8w (https://invidious.snopyta.org/channel/UC5fDgA_eHleDiTLC5qb5g8w)
>Elena Veduta
Various videos on YouTube but no channel of her own
>Dave Zachariah
One video on Paul Cockshott's channel

>General Intellect Unit
Podcast of the Cybernetic Marxists

Previous threads in chronological order
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Are stalinists unironically retarded?

Stalin's refusal to believe in an imminent German attack can be seen as a tragic blend of stubbornness and miscalculation. Despite mounting evidence, he clung to a precarious sense of security, convinced that war was not on the immediate horizon. This skepticism created a false calm, a dangerous underestimation of the threat, and a reluctance to prepare adequately. His mindset fostered an atmosphere of denial, where warnings were ignored, and preparations were delayed. Stalin's disbelief was more than a simple error; it was a profound misreading of intentions, a costly oversight that led to severe consequences. His unwavering stance, rooted in a mix of strategic reasoning and personal conviction, ultimately set the stage for one of the most shocking and devastating invasions in history.
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News 6/11/24

Chiquita liable for financing death squads in Colombia: US court
Chiquita must compensate victims of paramilitary organization AUC, which received financial support of the banana corporation in Colombia, a US court ruled. The sentence is a major victory for nine victims whose family members were assassinated by the paramilitaries. Chiquita will have to pay these victims $38 million, according to Noticias Uno director Ignacio Gomez, who revealed the banana company’s ties to AUC death squads in 1997 already.

Mexico’s tactic to cut immigration to the US: wear out migrants
Driven by mounting pressure from the U.S. to block millions of vulnerable people headed north, but lacking the funds to deport them, Mexican authorities are employing a simple but harsh tactic: wearing migrants out until they give up. That means migrants are churning in limbo here as authorities round them up across the country and dump them in the southern Mexican cities of Villahermosa and Tapachula. Some have been punted back as many as six times.

Israeli killings of Gaza civilians during raid may be war crimes: UN
“The manner in which the raid was conducted in such a densely populated area seriously calls into question whether the principles of distinction, proportionality and precaution – as set out under the laws of war – were respected by the Israeli forces,” he said in a statement.

Intel suspends $15 billion factory expansion in Israel amid Gaza war
Intel is halting the expansion of a major factory project in Israel, which was going to invest an extra $15 billion in a chip plant. The chip giant in December said it was going to expand an ongoing $10 billion plan at a site in Kiryat Gat site, in the south of the country, currently under construction but this appears to have been shelved now.

ICC prosecutor appeals for evidence of atrocities in Sudan after rebels attack hospital in Darfur
ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan released a video statement in the aftermath of an attack Sunday by the notorious Rapid Support Forces paramilitary group that forced the closure of a main hospital in the western Darfur region. The group fired shots and looted the hospital in al-Fasher, aid group Doctors Without Borders reported.

Detained Uganda anti-pipeline activist released
“Unfortunately, he is in poor condition after enduring severe beatings, mistreatment, and abuse throughout the week. Doctors are conducting various examinations.” EGI is campaigning to stop the construction of the 1,445km (900-mile) East African Crude Oil Pipeline, which is to carry oil from oilfields in western Uganda to a port on Tanzania’s coast.

France's left-wing parties agree to form alliance against the far right and Macron
The alliance — which includes the Greens, the Socialists, the Communists and Jean-Luc Melenchon’s France Unbowed — has for now vowed not to join forces with Mr Macron’s supposed centrists. In a joint statement, the alliance called on all forces on the left, including the influential trade unions, to unite behind a “new popular front” to form an “alternative to Emmanuel Macron and to fight against the racist project of the far right.”

Far East Russia’s Sakha Declares Wildfire Emergency
More than 40 wildfires were burning in Sakha as of Tuesday morning, according to regional authorities, engulfing a total area of some 830 square kilometers — roughly the size of Berlin or New York. By declaring a state of emergency, the region will gain access to critical equipment and personnel from the federal government to help local emergency responders and volunteer firefighters battle the blazes.

Killing of 2 Cattle Transport Workers ‘Premeditated’: AIKS Accuses Chhattisgarh Police of Bias
he All-India Kisan Sabha (AIKS) has condemned the brutal killing of two cattle transport workers and injuring of another on the Mahasamund-Raipur border in Chhattisgarh last week (June 7), ostensibly in the name of cow protection. Alleging that the attack was “premeditated”, the farmers’ body said a group of 15-20 people had been tailing the truck carrying cattle toward Odisha and had “put nails on the bridge to deflate the tyres”.

US plans to turn Taiwan Strait into ‘unmanned Hellscape’ if China invades: top admiral
If mainland China invades Taiwan, it may face a large, lethal drone force meant to make its military “miserable”. At least that’s the plan, according to the top US admiral in the Pacific, who said the “Hellscape” strategy is designed to distract China and buy the United States time to respond.\
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ITT Big anime tiddies

itt hueg fricken 2d oppai
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Anime hot takes

Just give me your anime hot takes. I don't care if they're retarded.
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Why are most people scared of communism when It would benefict everybody but the 0.1% of mankind? Are we doing something wrong?
<inb4 burgeois propaganda
Lazy answer
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What did he do wrong?

From the perspective of Marxists, historians, Iraqis, Kurds, Muslims, Christians, Persians, and Yankees alike: What did Saddam Hussein do wrong?
From my perspective Americans only know and hate him because he invaded Kuwait, a country that gave the US oil, and would would threaten American economic security. People whine all the time about civilian casualties but blame Saddam for America bombing Iraq "back to the stone age" and then imposing sanctions on the country for a decade, then invading and further destabilizing the country. As far as I know, Kuwait deserved Saddam. I would care more about civilian casualties in Kuwait if NATO didn't prove itself to be a force of mass destruction and terror against a man, who after fighting Iran for a decade, did anything in his power to eliminate the debts that he and his people had acquired from such a costly war. And what would Kuwait lose if Saddam would win? He'd just repair all the damages he did to Kuwait, he was a man who modernized his country, and released it from a bureaucracy of princes and executives. We can't expect people to be perfect, and we can't expect American military to have a soul.
Back to my point, is there anything I should know about Saddam Hussein that he did wrong, maybe there's a detail about the gulf war, Iran-Iraq war, or during his rule from 1968-2003 that I missed.
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/edu/ checkpoint

Everytime you visit /edu/, post in this thread. Tell us about what you're thinking about, what you're reading, an interesting thing you have learned today, anything! Just be sure to pop in and say hi.

Previous thread >>>/leftypol_archive/580500
Archive of previous thread

Excuse me coming through
A quick note on the video @ >>>/leftypol/1538283
Also [vid related] for archival purposes

Around the 29 minute mark Peterson criticizes Marx and Engel's for assuming that workers would magically become more productive once they took over.

This actually happened historically, most of the actually effective productivity tricks work places use now were developed by Stakhanovites.


Reality has a Marxist bias
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Open source software is anti capitalist but pro free market

Has anyone taken the time to examine "left wing market anarchism"? and how open source software relates to it. The way I see things open source software can help entrepreneurs and small business owners make money without having to pay royalties or subscription fees to companies like Adobe and give up their right to own software. After all "capitalism" requires patents and IP law and heavy Government involvement where as FOSS is decentralized and allows anyone to profit off it without all the legal government middle man stuff.

Am I a deviant for thinking this way because since late 2018 I always got the impression that FOSS was synonymous with free market socialism - ect anti capitalist but pro personal property rights and entrepreneurialism. Some people say FOSS is communist and I have disagreed with that; as if it were communist there would be a strong centralized government body controlling things and forcing people to work on FOSS projects.
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Should POland pay up reparations to Jews?

Many houses belonging once to Jews, stayed in Poland, for some reason. Should Poles pay reparations to Jews?

Verify this website as well:
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2010s & 2000s Hipster Music

Post Indie rock/pop and other "Hipster" shit from the 2000s and 2010s (mostly early 2010s).
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Will there be hentai under communism?
Can I live off drawing hentai in communism? I'm already an artist who draws hentai and I would change this job for anything.
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Oldschool Minecraft

Let's play Oldschool Minecraft, /leftypol/!
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Fashion thread V

Previous thread: >>36889
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get guns

Guns are fun and necessary for the revolution.

Why not have a gun?
Reactionaries are armed to the teeth, why should leftist remain unarmed? Better to have a gun and not need it, than to need it and not have it. If you have kids at home keep the bullets locked up (or even at another address) and the gun unloaded.

At least buy a pellet gun and learn to shoot straight, handle the gun so familiarity can wash away the liberal anti-gun propaganda.

The more left leaning people with guns who learn couple things or two about guns the better. Objective fact!
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/DPRK/ - Democratic People's Republic of Korea General

Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
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/EUE/ Europe Elects: June 6-9! Pro-peace=Pro-Putin edition

A thread dedicated to following the results of EU elections this weekend. It also coincides with local elections in Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, and Malta; and parliamentary elections in Belgium and Bulgaria.

The far-right is expected to grow exponentially because of their open Ukraine-scepticism, diligently opposed by the mainstream.


* Portugal is expected to have a lower turnout because the election is to be held on the same period they have their national holiday.

* Qatargate.

* Hungary might be stripped of its EU voting rights under Article 7; meanwhile Hungary is scheduled to hold the next EU presidency.

* Czechia banned Voice of Europe, claiming it is a Pootin outlet.

thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM9erS90gTE
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Lysenko chads stay winning. Turns out, nest sowing works, and Mendelians were proven to be clowns fighting against scientific progress out of ideological, not scientific, reasons once again

About Lysenko's nest method https://www.cabidigitallibrary.org/doi/full/10.5555/19500602955

>N. P. Anuchin. Letter to the Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU V. Polyakov[113].

>Acad. Sukachev, V. Ya. Koldanov and with them a significant group of specialists for 15 years wove intrigues and slander around the name of Lysenko in connection with the nesting method of creating a forest. Academician Lysenko was accused of allegedly bringing billions of dollars in losses to the country by the nest method.

>In 1962, on the instructions of the government, special zonal commissions examined protective forest plantations created by nesting and other methods. Up to 250 specialists participated in the commissions, and opponents of the nesting method of forest sowing were also involved in the work of the commission. Summarizing all the materials of the commission was entrusted to me, and I also acted as the main speaker at the All-Union meeting, which considered the results of the survey of protective plantings. At this meeting, as well as at the general meeting of the USSR Academy of Sciences, there were attacks, slanderous attacks and insults against Academician Lysenko. However, the advantages of the nest method based on the materials of the commission turned out to be so obvious that no tricks of the opponents of this method could change the point of view of the meeting.

APOLOGIZE to the greatest Soviet agrobiologist
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/webm/ Thread 6

1st thread: >>>/leftypol_archive/9920
2nd thread: >>>/leftypol_archive/481354
3rd thread: >>>/leftypol_archive/492596
4th thread: >>>/leftypol_archive/561028
5th thread: >>>/leftypol_archive/588525

WebM for Retards™ (Webm Converter): https://github.com/WebMBro/WebMConverter
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The SCP Foundation

Hey all, I was curious at to what you guys think about the SCP Foundation shared universe.
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Thread dedicated to debunking western propaganda and information relating to the NATO encirclement of Russia, Ukrainian government's mistreatment of ethnic Russian minorities and support of fascist militias to do its bidding. Criticism of Russia and its occupation is welcomed aswell.
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This is Mexico's new left wing president, and first female president in the country, say something nice about her.

>Will continue the plans the previous president had

>Aims to push education and scientific reforms to push the country to the next level
>Has a PhD in Engineering, and part of a Nobel prize winning team that developed research to counter global warming

Honestly the future is fucking bright for us
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Its Macr'Over

Imagine being such a fucking dickless CUCK that when your liberal centrist coalition gets publically ass raped by the Fascist Right you justified surpressing the left for decades to keep out of power you decide to bend over for a second fucking helping, to give them complete control of the nation even faster then they otherwise would get it.
Like God DAMN Macron is a fucking BITCH.
Fucking absolute gay cock sucker for the far right he spent his entire career defining himself in opposition to:
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Post in this thread every time you come to this board. Post music you like here, whatever it may be.
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No one actually shares any interesting programming projects

99% of the programming projects I see on github, reddit, HN, etc. are just programming tools for other programmers. "I made a data-processing library for the ButtFuck framework" "I made a fancy-pants syntax highlighter for Fartlang in vim" "I made a utility that tells you if your config file is blah blah blah" 10 billion stars on github with a bunch of badges and emojis of course. All this effort put into programmer tools and for what? So they can make more programming tools, I suppose?

The gods of programming have blessed mankind with the means of producing the most complex, ornate, beautiful machines they can dream of as a single individual without needing to worry about material or labor costs, safety or regulatory concerns, etc. and all programmers can imagine is "what if I made my shell a bit prettier." What a waste.

P.S. This is just me ranting, I know some people do make cool things, you're gonna have to just let me cook on this one
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/gamedev/ - Game Development General (SHARE YOUR VIDEOGAME IDEAS ITT)

So I'm not an experienced game developer or anything, but I figured we should have a general dedicated to this sort of thing, especially since I'm interested to hear peoples' ideas on lefty-orientated videogames that would be cool for me to make.
I've been using Blender since I was 11 or 12 years old (I'm 20 now) so I'm pretty much at a level now where I can model any game asset I want. I'm also in school for Computer Engineering, and have been a hobby programmer since I was around 14 working with Python, C, and GLSL shaders, so I can script pretty much anything as well. I would say my main weaknesses when approaching a task like this are Sculpting, Spriting, and Painting, so to any drawfags/artfags with skills: I invite you to contribute on whatever projects we end up embarking on.



Blender: https://www.blender.org/
Kritas: https://krita.org/en/
>Game Development
Godot: https://godotengine.org/
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Theory of Marginal Utility of Value

Am I fucking insane for finding this dogshit? I'm reading through Capital right now and, while browsing the internet to review a few things, I see this guy claiming that
>Marxist economics is useless and outdated and nonsensical […], use this [marginal theory of value] instead, it's Econ 101 and what everyone uses
Upon reading it, I find this theory extremely poor. It analyses exchange as an element in a set represented by two individuals, instead of taking exchange as an element in a set represented by society at large. It doesn't matter if you're willing to pay 30 dollars for a glass of water when you're thisty, you'll still go for the cheapest option because you're not confined to a single provider. Your subjective need doesn't alter value, as you're not the only buyer and the seller is not the only source of that commodity.
The worst part is: it doesn't even refute Marx's theory of value! That specific advocate of the marginal theory of value argues on the pressuposition that Marx claims that commodities always have this fixed, essentialist exchange value, which is a false assumption clarified by Marx in the first section of the first chapter. Marx doesn't deny the fluctuations of price, he simply proposes (per my understanding) that this fluctiation is biased towards the commodity's value, which is based on the human labor power invested in that commodity throughout the production chain. If one were to tackle this proposition, they should put forward concrete evidence that labor power as a unit of measurement doesn't exist, no?
I realize that I might be preaching to the choir, but I make this post in the hopes that someone educates me on liberal economics, as in: there certainly must be another reason, or at least another angle of critique, which bourgeois intellectuals (as opposed to the specific advocate I referenced) use to justify the marginal theory of value's adoption, no? Then what is it?

Tangentially related: I'm not in economics circles. It seems to me the labor theory of value is dismissed as "outdated" quite often by these types, I wasn't aware of that. I'd like to know what are the arguments that deprecate the labor theory of value.
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Communist elevator music…
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Its a good subject that we rarely talk about. I saw one time a uygha on twitter saying "i gave up on communism because i will die", the other guy he was discussing with was an atheist activist, he replied with "science can make us immortal" and later "you are a coward"
Materialism can be cold water into a coffee cup for many people. For people that grew up in a religious zealot house, or homosexuals or people that generally like to sin, no God is freedom. But what when you are afraid to die? When you are afraid people you love died forever and now you are depressed? Young people think they will never die but when age hit, you feel in despair. I say this because i have an uncle that used to be a communist militant and an avid atheist, he told me he wanted to believe but cant and he feels shitty because of that.
Thats why i think its better to not be too harsh on the materialist. The common people dont need to be a Marx expert, and depressed or nihilist people dont do revolutions
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News 6/10/24

Israel war cabinet minister Benny Gantz quits Netanyahu’s government
He called for early elections, saying “there should be elections that will eventually establish a government that will win the trust of the people and be able to face challenges”.“I call on Netanyahu: set an agreed election date.”

Shattered Palestinian activist Bassem Tamimi freed from Israeli detention, in video that shocked Palestinians
An exhausted looking Bassem Tamimi, a well-known Palestinian activist, was released on Sunday from Israeli detention, where he was held for over eight months under administrative detention, without a charge or trial. Local Palestinian media published a video of 57-year-old Tamimi at the moment of his release, showing a noticeable deterioration in his appearance, exhibiting clear signs of emotional and physical exhaustion.

Iran approves six candidates for presidential election
The Guardian Council, which oversees elections in the Islamic Republic, selected the six from 80 registered candidates. Those chosen are largely conservatives, with only one reformist allowed to stand. Massoud Pezeshkian, who represents Tabriz in Iran's parliament, had been critical of the government's lack of transparency during nationwide protests triggered by the September 2022 death in police custody of 22-year-old Kurdish woman Mahsa Amini.

The far right’s election gains rattle EU’s traditional powers, leading Macron to call snap polls
Some ballots in the vote for the European Parliament were still being counted Monday, but the outcome showed the 27-nation bloc’s parliament membership has clearly shifted to the right. Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni more than doubled her party’s seats in the assembly. And despite being hounded by a scandal involving candidates, the Alternative for Germany extreme right party still rallied enough seats to sweep past the slumping Social Democrats of Chancellor Olaf Scholz.

Disappointment for Sinn Féin as Irish local elections bolster coalition
Sinn Féin launched an inquest after winning just 12% of the first preference local election vote. This exceeded its 2019 figure, and the party is expected to gain council seats, but until recently opinion polls gave the party more than 30% support, raising expectations of a landslide.

Election results show government and opposition weakened, far-right parties surge
The ruling center-right New Democracy had hoped to match its 2019 result (33.12%). According to the official results from the Interior Ministry it is seen getting 27.9% support, significantly lower than last June’s national election results, but still far ahead of main opposition SYRIZA (14.9%) and the socialist PASOK (12.9%).

Peru courts extend pretrial detention for former president Castillo
Peru's Justice Department said on Monday it has extended by 14 months the pretrial detention of jailed former President Pedro Castillo, who is charged with rebellion, abuse of authority and disrupting the peace.

Over 4,000 residents flee a town in southern Mexico after armed gangs start shooting, burn homes
Residents of the town of Tila fled over the weekend after armed gangs shot up the town and burned many homes last week, state prosecutors said. It was probably the biggest mass displacement in Chiapas since 1997. Some residents recounted spending days trapped in their homes before army troops and state police showed up over the weekend to allow them to leave.

Honda and Mazda headquarters inspected over vehicle test fraud
The ministry last week searched the head offices of Toyota, Yamaha and Suzuki after disclosing irregularities on the part of the five companies in tests to obtain type approval, which is necessary for mass production. The ministry is investigating details of the irregularities and examining whether there was any other wrongdoing.

South Korea to resume propaganda broadcasts after North sends hundreds more rubbish balloons
It said that “the responsibility for the escalation of tension between the two Koreas will be entirely up to the North”. “Although the measures we are taking may be difficult for the North Korean regime to endure, they will deliver messages of light and hope to the North Korean military and citizens,” the president’s office added.
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What does leftypol think of Ali Shariati?

>idealogue of the Iranian revolution
>tried to synthesize Islam and socialism
>murdered by the SAVAK 1978
so what does leftypol think of this guy?
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/leftybritpol/: Things Can Only Get Wetter Edition

>Rishi Sunak has taken an astonishing gamble in going for a general election at a time when there is still a little room to delay and the governing party is in such poor shape with public opinion.

>The Guardian’s poll of polls shows Labour 21.7 points ahead of the Conservatives, with 44.7% of the vote to 22.9%. Poll leads of more than 20 points are usually only seen at exceptionally bad moments in the midterm.

>Labour’s poll lead now is a little narrower than it was at the equivalent stage of the contest in 1997. Support for both the main parties is down on 1997, with Reform UK (11.5%) and the Green party (6.5%) picking up. The swing since the December 2019 election is a mammoth 16.8 percentage points; the previous postwar record was the 1997 swing of 10 points.
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Austria is fucked

The far-right party has, with a 99% chance, won the elections for the EU.
And they are preparing for the parliamentary election this year.
Furthermore, many experts assume that they will also win the election for the parliament.
What do you think, anon?