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>>2832283
ouhghgghhgghg… 7you can see her bootycheeks… ughh….



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They move in static, shift in smoke,
A whispered lie, a sentence broke.
Not swords they wield but split desires,
The crooked word, the snuffed out fires.

Like dark magicians, cloaked and low,
They sow the seeds of "friend" and "foe."
Turn doubt to dogma, trust to rust,
Then grind the honest down to dust.

But spells have seams. All shadows bend.
The light needs no knife it just extends.
A single fact, unmoved, intact,
Can pull the wool back, thread by thread.

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>>2838998
>>2839304
>At the same time, most (64%) also say undocumented immigrants should have a way to stay in the country legally if certain requirements are met, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in August.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/11/22/most-americans-say-undocumented-immigrants-should-be-able-to-stay-legally-under-certain-conditions/

>>2838966
Do the people in this survey actually know what socialism (a stateless classless affair where workers own the means of production) is or do they see it as just "government doing stuff in the economy"?

I ask this because in our American education system Socialism and Marxism is thrown to the side margins and painted as "when the government like, regulates the economy, but like a lot." We're not even gonna have a chance of DOTP if people just see socialism as government intervention and not the overthrowing of a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.

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To further add on, I'm suspicious of any graphs like picrelated that say "socialism is on the rise" because of the very fact our education and media apparatuses denigrate socialism into an ideology of "wanting more government regulation in the economy."

I won't lie, if you asked a good 60% of the people who identify of socialists right now and asked something like "do you want workers to own the means of production" they're gonna look at you like you grew a second head. For too many people, socialism is just equivalent to moderate social democracy.

If anyone can offer an alternative perspective into this observation do say so because I would like to feel less pessimistic over this.

>>2839491
> I won't lie, if you asked a good 60% of the people who identify of socialists right now and asked something like "do you want workers to own the means of production" they're gonna look at you like you grew a second head. For too many people, socialism is just equivalent to moderate social democracy.

And for the record I wouldn't blame those people for thinking this way - why on Earth would the capitalist system offer a correct definition to the movement seeking to abolish the status quo? It's just upsetting to see it get flandarized so much with little push back.

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>>2839486
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>>2839493
Progress is progress, and this is the equivalent of looking a gift horse in the mouth. If people are now open to socialism it is the responsibility of socialists to educate them while we have the chance.



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You guys don’t fine it weird how this man became the world's first trillionaire and then you go to his social media and he spends all day reposting videos of minorities committing crimes, anti-immigration propaganda, etc.?

It’s like he knows his ass is on the line and he's desperate to redirect the anger of the masses to another target. The worst part is that it works.
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>>2839467
Rightoids spend all day on social media consuming engagement bait slop that the algorithm spoonfed them but sincerely think they came to their beliefs by themselves.

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>>2839480
The far right isn't going to abolish capitalism and they certainly aren't going to abolish immigration when they are funded by porky lmao. They'll just deport a few token illegals and then flood the market with millions more immigrants.
>People no longer trust the govt to be anti-immigrant. Even parties like Reform or AfD are being treated with suspicion as potential cuckservatives.
People are retarded hence why Farage, National Front (France), Swedish Democrats, etc. are surging. None of these people will lower immigration or do "re-migration". It's like expecting a socdem party to expand the welfare state in 2026 it's not going to happen. You cannot fix these problems without attacking capitalism itself.

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>>2839480
yes my fellow champion of the people it is certainly in the interests of the workers to vote for those parties that continue to cut taxes on the wealthy, cut social spending, cut public healthcare, education, pensions, lower the minimum wage, raise the level of working hours, replace workers with AI, raise the cost of housing, the cost of food, destroy worker savings through inflation, fund and grow the surveillance state, and arrest and imprison people who protest against imperialist war and genocide. this is surely in the interests of the working class and not at all a pitiful attempt at astroturfing on your part stemming from a misanthropic and psychopathic lust for blood and suffering against those you deem as subhuman.

>>2839467
Shouldn’t you be on /r/redscarepod or /r/stupidpol parroting generic right-wing talking points and thinking you’re enlightened for living in a major city in a blue state and having the same beliefs as some redneck from Bumfuck, Ohio while refusing to move to a conservative area?

>>2839485
listen just because the guy that orders the design of and approves those engagement bait algorithms just recently became the first trillionaire in history doesn't mean we should start jumping to conclusions all of a sudden



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Deng Xiaoping Theory saved Marxism from irrelevance by shifting its focus from perpetual class struggle to practical economic development. In the late 1970s, orthodox Marxist-Leninist economies faced severe stagnation and widespread poverty. Deng revitalized the ideology by introducing market mechanisms into a socialist framework, creating a model that allowed communist states to survive and thrive in a modern globalized world. [1]

Rebranding Productive Forces
Prioritizing wealth: Deng argued that poverty is not socialism.
Redefining communism: He stated that true socialism must develop productive forces.
Shifting metrics: Economic output replaced ideological purity as the primary goal. [2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

Decoupling Markets from Capitalism
Pragmatic tools: Markets and planning were viewed as economic tools, not defining political traits.
Market Socialism: He proved market mechanisms can serve a socialist economy.
Foreign capital: China opened doors to global investment while maintaining state control. [7, 8, 9, 10, 11]

The "Seek Truth from Facts" Philosophy
Rejecting dogma: Deng discarded blind adherence to utopian Marxist theories.
Results-oriented: Policies were judged by their ability to raise living standards.
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>>2839472

Reactionaries and dengoids agree on the same principle - socialism is when the government does stuff, and when the government does a WHOLE lotta stuff it's COMMUNISM

>>2839478
Dengoids enjoyed the benefit of the doubt as long as China's rate of profit was high and they economy was growing, so they could pretend it was NEP in action. But now that the economy is slowing and RoP is declining, it's going to be increasingly harder to maintain this illusion.

Some examples include raising the retirement age for workers, making anti-automation laws, threatening other countries for violating Intellectual Property, threatening countries that want to adopt "Dengism" themselves because doing so would it make it harder for Chinese exports to enter, making public about intentions to increase consumption share of GDP (which results in declining growth), revising down GDP growth expectations, providing support for real estate market, increasing regressive taxes and tightening tax compliance on working class etc

>>2839477
>If a real communist revolution happened anywhere, the US and China would work together to crush that revolution.
as china builds socialism you will cry every step of the way that China and the USA are secretly best friends, all the way up until the point that the USA starts thermonuclear war with China, and then you will say it's just inter imperialist war

>>2839482
ultras have nothing but complaining from their armchairs

>>2839483
Why would I cry if China does something that benefits the real movement? You know the "capitalists will sell you the rope to hang them" applies to Chinese capitalists as well right?

>>2839484
I mean if you actually bothered to learn about China from Chinese themselves you would realize all the things I talked about are publicly discussed problems in China. Btw there are lots of Chinese leftcoms as well.



 

genuinely, why the FUCK is no one talking about el niño?
usually the media will use known nothingburgers to alarm people while sweeping actual happenings under the rug, compare ebola/hantavirus to the covid pandemic, for example. the fact that we're all dead silent about this potentially never-before-seen happening is extremely worrying to me, what do they know? is it really as bad as current predictions? could it be fucking worse?
the most optimistic predictions would place this as the worst el niño in history, even worse than the 19th century one which resulted in millions of deaths worldwide. now, combine that with pre-existing shortages in the supply chains due to the iran war, which limits the amount of fertilisers available, and we could be looking at a total catastrophe, we'd face floods, famines, and even worse temperatures, with effects varying depending on geographical location

the worst part is, i cant even find any cope trying to debunk this like you had with covid, people are just accepting it or covering their ears trying to ignore it, this gives me a reaaaally bad feeling, im starting to tweak out. are we genuinely fucked? is it unironically over?
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I believe humanity will pull through, as they have in the past. With one exception: because of the huge amount of vitriol directed towards the global poor swelling up all around the world, I unfortunately imagine that while most of the world will be fine, continents like Africa will be left behind to starve. China may help, but I don't think the west is coming.

>uh… something happening is le bad even doe no real movement exists under the status quo

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>Previous reports have shown Israel’s intent to experiment with cloud seeding and weather modification over Gaza, a region that was already facing an unprecedented humanitarian catastrophe. With recent events, it’s fair to investigate the dual-use of climate technologies for military operations and as a weapon of war.

There is a climate change thread.

Anyway, the moment you read and follow climate science you realize we are absolutely beyond fucked, like it's really really fucking bad lol. Everyone is coping so much but it is unlikely a global society with large productive forces will be possible at all.

>>2839350
Please don't be the leftist version of antivaxxer or flat earther. Climate doomerism is anti-scienc.e You must trust science, and science shows that

1) Renewable energies, EVs, heat pumps etc are all doing a good job of slowing down emissions growth.

2) The pace of technological advancement in replacing carbon is accelerating. Lab grown meat, green ammonia, green hydrogen, electro furnaces, cheaper batteries, the list is rapidly growing. It's practically impossible for runaway global warming to happen.

3) Geoengineering is safe, cheap and HIGHLY effective in countering global warming while decarbonization continues. It's so cheap and effective that it's precisely why it's so controversial. Any medium sized country can unilaterally decide to reverse global warming all on its own.

Climate doomerism is simply stupid and hurts revolutionary optimism. We're all going to look really stupid if we campaign on "socialism will solve climate change" and capitalism solves it anyway.



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Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!
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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
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<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

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>>2839360
anonymous social media is gone forever

>>2839361
we needed to protect our democracy from russian disinformation and also protect kids or something

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Areddit.com+%22First-Cherry493%22

All posts by this account are old videos of black people committing crime, and they all have the same comments: “black fatigue”, “socioeconomic factors”, “the usual suspects”, etc.

Who is behind this and what is the end goal?

>>2839361
Uyghur nothing has ever been anonymous. If the NSA wants to they can trigger a backdoor that was built into your cpu chip's hardware to force it to turn on and to extract all your hard drive data.

>>2839360
it's not even an exaggeration to say that these guidelines to "protect kids" is gonna harm them even more when they start going on worse websites to find their fix



 

What is the likelihood of the contradictions of capitalism accelerating to such a bad extent that another American Civil War breaks out, specifically before 2030.

And if it were to happen, what would be the leading factions, would there be a revolutionary party disciplined enough to overthrow the capitalist class during the internal conflict, and also, would it just result in an even more extreme fascist takeover?

Has the Iran accelerated the process of civil war?
Is the 2028 election gonna result in civil war?
Will a economic crash happen before it?
Is Trump gonna attempt a self-coup on the government that causes a civil war?
How will the DSA, CPUSA, RCP, Antifa, Trade unions, etc react to it?

(Yes i know i used the socdem antisemtic professor for the video)
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>>2839220
I've got a superior video right here

>>2839206
>What is the likelihood of the contradictions of capitalism accelerating to such a bad extent that another American Civil War breaks out, specifically before 2030.

I feel like Americans as a whole are too comfortable to ever fully break out into true Syrian-esque civil war - I think the most that will happen will be something akin to The Troubles times a thousand.

In the global south though, I expect political violence to multiply by hundreds due to climate change. I'd say something about how we might see a working class based revolution somewhere like in the UAE or in Saudi Arabia but I dare say that's too optimistic

>>2839465
There's also the fact most Americans don't even see themselves as working class - we use that term only to describe people who are a) poor b) work in blue collar job or c) not college educated. If you ask the average prole if they consider themselves working class they're gonna say "no, I am middle class because I have a college degree and work in an office."

If they can't even unite based on class, what the fuck do you think they're unite around if an actual honest to god crisis comes - we're more likely to see a second bourgeois revolution than anything resembling a worker's movement anytime soon.

>>2839468
I'd also like to mention that even those who don't like the current administration won't even do something as simple as sitting down during the anthem at an event because of a need to "not allow Trump to steal what America truly needs" or something like that. This is a real talking point I've seen on the r/NoKings subreddit btw.



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Third worldism taught us that oppressed nations can become oppressors once they snatch a seat at the imperial table. Poles were once white negroes. Now NATO uniforms wash away solidarity. Marx exalted them. Today, the city of COMECON friendship kisses the Pentagon's boot and calls it sovereignty. Yesterday's revolutionary becomes today's border guard.

What is to be done with Poles and other Volkerabfaelle?

>What is to be done with Poles
I thought we agreed on that at Wansee? Didn't Hans give you a copy of General Plan Ost?

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Liquidate the "Polish" people (made up nationality and fake culture) and have the Belarusians annex the territory as reparations for funding the Belarusian libtards.



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