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>This Saturday, April 26th at 12:00 PM EST

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>Still a whole day before the AMA thread
>Announcement thread is full of mountains of off-topic bait
Never change leftypol



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>Following a terrorist attack in Pahalgam, Jamur and Kashmir on April 22 2025, tensions in India and Pakistan have escalated significantly. India has suspended the Indus Waters Treaty and revoked all visas for Pakistani nationals, prompting them to leave India. In response, Pakistan has rejected the suspension of the treaty, closed it's airspace for Indian airlines, and suspended trade with India. Diplomatic measures include declaring military attaches persona non-grata.
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>>2241602
Oh so pacifism is good sometimes then? War is bad, it shouldn't take a genius to admit that

>>2241587
Based Mao.

>>2240121
>contrarian take
More like fact. Millions of Hindoos die every year because of easily preventable causes. No way Indian porkies will greenlight a war where they have everything to lose over 20-odd tourists. The only reason this is even getting so much attention is because of the upcoming Bihar elections, for which Modi has already started campaigning.

>>2241587
The man offended by that question later founded eurocomunism and doomed humanity

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>>2241479
>love jihad



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>>2241636
Given that the Republicans in courts are frequently defying Trump's random decrees, yes there absolutely will be conflict especially with the ones who sincerely bought into the "constitutional originalism" propaganda and didn't just use it as an excuse for obscurantism when liberals were in power. They're all getting the rug pulled out from under them because as it turns out their backers never really gave a shit about the constitution

>>2241639
Why not? You don't think AOC knows like the basics of communist theory? She says she's a socdem. Also that was always part of her shtick is that she was working class and from a working class family. "I am le big booty bartender jenny from the block"

>>2241636
dude Trump's own SCOTUS appointees are ruling against him. Yes obviously the judges don't like Trump destroying the courts as an institution considering that's their fucking job lmao

>>2241639
They hope they can gain votes (and donations) by disaffected socialists and progressives. There might not be a lot of the former but progressives tend to be more sympathetic towards them than standard democrat capitalists especially after the blatant genocide by Biden.

These people want you to completely forget who appointed many of the judges blocking Trump’s actions. It’s Orwellian in the most literal sense, no long term memory is expected at all. Just whatever in the moment justifies worship of Trump. CULT



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Another radlib myth deboonked. Marx and Engels did talk about the middle class and it means exactly what even non-communists would expect it to mean.

>This middle class — which includes everyone who is a gentleman, i. e., has a decent income without being excessively wealthy-is, however, a middle class only compared with the wealthy nobility and capitalists; in relation to the workers its position is that of an aristocracy


https://wikirouge.net/texts/en/The_Position_of_the_Political_Parties

Incoming cope in 3… 2…
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>>2241549
>Marx doesnt own the rights to the term capitalism.
your appeal to Marx's lack of intellectual property over the term Capitalism is a bafflingly stupid response in the context of this conservation. You come to a Marxist board full of Marxists who study Marx and use the term Capitalism as Marx used it, and then complain that we don't use the term Capitalism as only you use it. In fact even most contemporary bourgeois economists usually Capitalism to describe industrial and post-industrial society even if they ignore the class relations. "Capitalism is when Capital and Labor exist and is the only mode of production" is a highly unorthodox definition of that term since it strips the term of its entire historical context: It was used to describe what society was actively becoming as feudal relations broke down.
>He should have called this ism as wageism or some more relevant term, since the use of capital seems to be universal in all societies and ages.
OK so you're just being a pedant. Are you going to complain that the hoops/nets on a "basketball" court isn't an actual basket? Shooting stars aren't stars, but meteoroids burning up in the atmosphere. Digital movies are still called "films" despite not being shot on film reels. A computer mouse has neither fur nor whiskers. A hot dog is not a canine and may actually be served cold. The sun neither rises nor sets, Earth instead rotates, only giving the appearance of a "sunrise" or "sunset." A horse doesn't actually produce one horsepower of energy. This is the essence of your complaint.

Read chapter 31 of Capital if you are too lazy to read the whole book. This is how Marxists use the term Capitalism and if that still bothers you look into Wittgenstein's concept of Language Games:

In his later work, particularly Philosophical Investigations, Ludwig Wittgenstein argued that the meaning of a word is its use in the language. Words don’t have fixed, essential meanings; instead, they gain meaning from how they're used in specific social contexts, what he called language games. A language game is any context in which words are used with shared understanding, like giving orders, telling jokes, asking for directions, etc. Semantic pedantry is when someone insists that a word or phrase must adhere strictly to its origiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2241601
>You come to a Marxist board full of Marxists who study Marx a
Dont care. I dont care about your stupid religion, if i disturbed your groupthink put some ointment for that butthurt.
I can talk about ideas entirely on their own merit without having to ask the ghost of Marx for his take

>>2241601
>OK so you're just being a pedant.
You are projecting so hard. Capitalis is universally used in all societies so on what grounds would anyone choose to use "capital" to describe one specific society when every single one uses capital?
Why not Laborism? Makes just as much sense.
You people are always gripping about finance, so why not call this "financialism" instead?
CAPITAL IS/WAS USED IN ALL SOCIETIES AND AGES

>>2241632
>Dont care.
You obviously do because you keep replying even though you don't read past the first sentence

>>2241638
>You people are always gripping about finance, so why not call this "financialism" instead?
OK let me just ctrl+F find and replace every single marxist text written since 1867 and phone up every marxist on earth and say "sorry buddy, it's called financialism now because one guy refused to understand that Capitalism refers to the age of industrial capital and bourgeois society which began to emerge with the decline of feudalism"



 

I don't think my psyche could handle witnessing the EU collapse or be reduced to an irrelevant institution by far right """reforms""". But that is just the outcome that is becoming increasingly more likely with each passing year.
How do I cope?
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>>2241236
Yes it is. Some things are universal
Workers work, and they work using tools/installations/machines and land, whcih we today collectively call capital.
A blacksmithing operation in ancient assyria was capitalism, as it used labor and tools to create valuable iron products

>>2241243
>its irrelevant if such laborers get paid in soup or with wages
yeah go read a fucking book moron, agrarian and slave society are not capitalists and do not have wage, its simply not how this works

>>2241605
>agrarian and slave society are not capitalists and do not have wage,
Any worker that works for someone else besides his own family is getting a wage or compemnsation of some kind and its always a fraction of the added value created in the operation. There are no exceptions to this.
Slave and agrarian societies are 100% capitalist as they do the same thing all capitalist societies do, they employ capital and labor to create wealth.
Who cares about a wage or "mode of production"? Theres only one mode of production and that is that workers work using capital and then get a cut from the generated added value.

>>2241624
repeating your stupid shit doesnt make it anymore true. Educate yourself you moron, dont stay an ignorant retard, and stop shitting up threads with your ignorance or go do the human race a favor and blow your brains out

>>2241631
> Educate yourself you moron,
Are you writing a response just to insult me? You dont have any arguments so yes, i will repeat mine.
Every society uses capital and labor. There is no other way to generate wealth, of any kind. Any economic operation will use capital and laborers. All laborers get paid a fraction of the generated wealth and they are all bossed.
This is a constant in all societies. Theres nothing special about what you imagine to be "capitalism" contrasted to literally any other ism.
You think im wrong?
Name any society where capital and labor was not used to generate wealth. I cant think of a single one, maybe jungle aboriginals that walk around naked and eat spiders?



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Is there any leftist thinker\progressive, left-liberal etc today who, at face value and unironically; defends the IMPOSSIBLE to defend such as: the Kinsey report, margaret sanger, Dr John Money\ Trans ideology, surgeries included, Frankfurt school Gramsci, Weimar Republic, etc?
do common people shy away from this, to appeal to real-human working class people? does anyone REALLY take a serious clinical\academic\professional and real, interest in critical race theory, third of fourth wave feminism, Queer Theory or mixes of all this; mishmashes? (eco-feminism, Critical Animal Studies, Prison Abolishment movement, etc)?
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>>2241170
I don't believe prison abolitionists are in favor of getting rid of "prisons" (or more specifically, places to hold prisoners) in of themselves, just getting rid of the modern prison system. It's the same thing as a abolishing the police; they aren't saying that there should be no means or methods of enforcing rules or laws, just that the police as a modern capitalist institution shouldn't exist.

>>2241191
I AM in favour of abolishing methods of enforcing rules or laws.

>>2241191
its not called prison reform, it called prison abolition
wake up

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>>2241124
Glownonymous is the name given to anyone who posts via the leftypol onion domain. It's not just one person.



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>>2241412
>but why the fuck is Zizek allowed to rant about quantum physics when is not even capable of providing proper footnotes for his historical anecdotes in his books?
he shouldn't, but the word quantum became tecnobabble in modern day equal to mystical or magical.

>>2240738
I think they just scattered away

I know it is still a bit too soon, but I am surprised by how little clout the Soytards actually got from this. Then again I don't really go to anywhere chan-related outside of 4chan and here myself so eh

>>2241015
we're back

>>2241565
I'm sad they didn't delete /pol/ when they had the chance.
They also didn't update the site at all so uh. What the fuck were they doing for a week?

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I know this has been beaten to death in /ukraine/ but I still see people talk about the Russian "invasion" like its an unassailable fact. People like to claim that the two countries and blocs are equally at fault. In reality, such takes are as "fair and balanced" as Fox News. Look at how NATO has encircled Russia and the bad-faith negotiations that had taken place over the preceding 32 years. How else could it have ended? It wouldn't have mattered if the tricolor or rainbow flags or red flags flew from the Kremlin. It would have led to war no matter if Russia was capitalist or socialist because no sovereign nation could ever tolerate such hostile encroachment and survive, especially in light of Russian history, where geopolitical moves like the ones NATO is doing were the prelude to invasion. For that matter, a socialist Ukraine (Or at least one led by somebody like Alexander Lukashenko) would not have persued this maximalist pro-NATO/pro-EU policy or discriminated against Russians and thus wouldn't have precipitated the war. Even if Russia did invade this socialist Ukraine, they would have a real army because they would not have stripped the copper wire from their rhetorical walls to fund Hunter Biden's coke addiction and gain the dubious honor of being the EU's "Mexico" while begging for 40 year-old tanks and F-16s.
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I wonder why all those Eastern Europeans countries joined NATO after Russia stopped being communist. Why the fuck should they work with a country that was constantly imperializing them in history?

Russia as part of the USSR equals Warsaw Pact, cooperation and peace
Neoliberal Russia equals historic retardedness, invasion, death and destruction, as this is what capitalism excels in
The ones ruling Russia right now got rich by raping the USSR to death, fuck them

>>2241572
>Russia as part of the USSR equals Warsaw Pact, cooperation and peace

>>2241572
> Why the fuck should they work with a country that was constantly imperializing them in history?
why they are on the germany side instead of making their own pact then, bunch of excuses to coups to force the governments in the region to join their shithole union.

>>2241589
>why they are on the germany side
There are only two choice, these intermarium states dont have the strength to stand on their own. Mostly because they lack oil, i believe.

>>2241594
romania was good with oil,but the production has been declining sharply over the years



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