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Leftypedia lived - Leftypedia lives - Leftypedia will live!

Greetings, comrades. Leftypedia, the radical encyclopedia, should be back in a usable state. We have more moderators, which will help with spam from now on, and images are slowly being repopulated for your viewing pleasure. The new domain has been up and running for a while at https://wiki.leftypol.org, and we've imported the vast majority of content that was on the old site while adding a lot of new stuff. I hope that Anons can come back and fill in any content that was lost.

For those unaware, Leftypedia is an original /leftypol/ project dedicated to combating the disinformation of mainstream media and academic sources, as well as discussing leftist history, theory, and practice from a multi-sectarian viewpoint. We welcome additions from different leftist perspectives provided that they are properly sourced and well argued. In addition, we maintain a separate space, tentatively titled "Essays", for more subjective or polemic work.

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>Protesters barricade TPUSA speaker Olivia Krolczyk inside an auditorium at UWashington, pulling fire alarms and behaving threateningly

>Conservative firebrand Riley Gaines writes that Krolczyk is unable to evacuate the building: “These activists need to be in jail.”

>>2121351
i can't help but notice you have the reddit app installed.

>>2121285
Homestuck was good for like a year, its perfectly fine to shit on it now

>>2121291
>i will never use this bathroom again because a person I hate bought the building it's in
libtard logic



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Is free trade actually good or not? And I'm not talking about just quoting Marx but an actual analysis of its effects?

Obviously some international trade must occur because most countries don't have every resource they need.

However unlimited no barrier free trade is criticized as being exploitative to the third world, and in the first world used as a way to undercut unions and the organized working class?
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>>2121159
Did I write “Capitalism” or “Capital”
Read my words very carefully

Free trade is good because it advances the capitalist dialectic, i.e. it's historically progressive. And we all know history moves in a straight line, just at different speeds sometimes. That is definitely not a colonialist false narrative that Marx unfortunately swallowed whole due to criticism on the topic not being sufficiently advanced during his lifetime. It's actually based and in the interests of the working class to help capitalism increase its power and level of development. The last thing we communists should do is hobble the development of capitalism so as to weaken it and make it easier to overthrow. We should instead trust the plan that it will inevitably destroy itself and that the haute-bourgeois will lack the wherewithal to change the mode of production in any way that might prolong or avert its doom.

>>2120926
/thread

>>2121203
i love u spurdo

>>2121162
not every response is an argument. sometimes people are adding to what you said.



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Well, I never read Capital by Marx, I read couple of more short works of his, but still something is bothering me, Marx wrote in the XIX century, so his work are maybe outdated from my point of view, I think, but I'm open minded, does anyone here actually read Capital can tell me if still worth reading Capital or is relevant to the modern economics theories?
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>>2121287
>but is a universal equivalent (a particular commodity)
no, labor is the universal equivalent, money is the social representation of it
> It is because all commodities, as values, are realised human labour, and therefore commensurable
>money to marx is not a token. at least admit this.
money, in the time marx was writing, was not a token, there is a difference between saying x is y as a social convention, and saying x is essentially and eternally fixed as y 1:1, which is undialectical, you are treating money ahistorically, as a thing instead of a social relation, fetishizing it
> i agree to those terms, but it is the very opposite of what marx writes,
it is precisely what marx writes
>you literally cant read ONE chapter of a book
maybe you need to read more than one book
>or do you not know what the value form is
and you are completely ignorant of the controversy surrounding your opinion. maybe if you want to bludgeon people with your academics you should understand what school of thought you subscribe to first

>>2121287
>a "token" unless it directly represents a commodity cannot represent value
This can easily be solved by realizing that the dollar is used because of trust and coercion, so it is backed by the GDP of the US economy and its military, which yes changes at a faster rate then gold supply. If you want to know how much SNLT that is you can start counting tanks and planes. Again, the point of all this isn't to say money is this and labor is that and value is this and so on its to say that labor is the limit of production, which abandoning the gold value does not change. The particulars are not going to debunk the overarching theory because it is correct. A polynomial trending positive isn't going to suddenly flip because you introduce a new constant.

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>Since the mid-1960s and after the collapse of state socialism and Marxism-Leninism in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, there has emerged a new critical literature by Western Marxist and non-Marxist scholars about the conceptual foundations of Marx’s theory of value[3]

>The criticism most often heard from the critics of Marx, such as Friedrich von Hayek, Karl Popper, Francis Wheen and Ian Steedman is that, even if Marx himself meant well, Marx's value-form idea is simply an esoteric obscurantism, "dialectical hocus pocus", "sophistry", or "mumbo jumbo". Francis Wheen refers to "a shaggy-dog story, a picaresque journey through the realms of higher nonsense."[8]


>The old Marxist theory was held together by the philosophy of dialectical materialism,[34] but in the new academic Marxism of the West, "value theory" is said to be the unifying factor.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_value-form_theory

yes ill take "solving problems that dont exist" for 500

>>2121309
>>2121309
>in exchange. hes talking about the mechanism for how markets work in determining value under 1800s capitalism, not how things should be or how they essentially must be. he does not say "can" he says they do
no, no, no.
this is where you are confused. value (or exchange value) to marx is inherently market-oriented. thats why commodities incur equivalent values by exchange. his point is precisely contrary to bourgeois economy, that value isnt a natural category, but is a social category, for example,
>"As use values, commodities are, above all, of different qualities, but as exchange values they are merely different quantities, and consequently do not contain an atom of use value."
and
>"The value of commodities is the very opposite of the coarse materiality of their substance, not an atom of matter enters into its composition."
and as he concludes chapter 1,
>"So far no chemist has ever discovered exchange value either in a pearl or a diamond"
and as he states in chapter 19,
>"That which comes directly face to face with the possessor of money on the market, is in fact not labour, but the labourer. What the latter sells is his labour-power. As soon as his labour actually begins, it has already ceased to belong to him; it can therefore no longer be sold by him. Labour is the substance, and the immanent measure of value, but has itself no value."
thus the "coarse materiality" or "embodied labour" of a commodity is the opposite of its value. this is why labour power is "human labour in the abstract" and exists as a pure quantity, apart from use. value to marx thus is an essentially market phenomenon. what exists in the absence of markets is valueless, yet useful labour, as he writes in chapter 1,
>"A thing can be a use value, without having value. […] A thing can be useful, and the product of human labour, without being a commodity. Whoever directly satisfies his wants with the produce of his own labour, creates, indeed, use values, but not commodities."
labour =/= value
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>>2121311
i am very inspired by marx, so i only bash him to exorcise myself mostly lol. i dont want to throw the baby out with the bath water, but i do see that the water is quite dirty.
>>2121318
>no, labor is the universal equivalent, money is the social representation of it
no, to marx, a universal equivalent is the particular commodity itself. yes, value is self-related by this equivalence, but its abstract essence must still have a concrete form.
>money, in the time marx was writing, was not a token
yes, which is why he incorrectly formalises his own contemporary relations as a fact of things in themselves
>there is a difference between saying x is y as a social convention, and saying x is essentially and eternally fixed
yes, i take the former, marx takes the latter
this is what marx writes in response to locke's assertions that silver possesses an "imaginary value"
>"But if it be declared that the social characters assumed by objects, or the material forms assumed by the social qualities of labour under the régime of a definite mode of production, are mere symbols, it is in the same breath also declared that these characteristics are arbitrary fictions sanctioned by the so-called universal consent of mankind."
his point is that precious metals have universal value, for as he concludes chapter 2,
>"These objects, gold and silver, just as they come out of the bowels of the earth, are forthwith the direct incarnation of all human labour. Hence the magic of money."
he is speaking entirely sincerely here.
lets just refresh ourselves very quickly with these remarks,
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https://www.idcommunism.com/2025/01/the-crisis-of-soviet-history-of-stalin-period-and-what-we-should-do-about-it.html

Speech by Grover Furr

The history of the first workers’ state, the USSR, during its heroic period, when it was led by Joseph Stalin – that history is withheld from us. It is smothered by lies from dishonest and very influential sources.

How do we know this is so? What is the situation? Who are the liars? Why is this important? Finally, what should we do about it? The future of the world’s working class and the fight for an egalitarian world of what Marxist researcher Charles Andrews has called “No Rich, No Poor,” depends on what we do.

I began to discuss this question in an earlier article titled “Marxists Behaving Badly” which you can download from my Home Page. However, that was a very partial discussion of this enormous challenge to all of us. In my talk today I intend to confront this crisis more directly.

The Anti-Stalin Paradigm (ASP)

What I call the ASP is a special case of the anticommunist paradigm of history (ACP). In its basic formulation, the ACP frames the history of the last century upside down. The Western, imperialist countries are, supposedly, “democratic,” “free,” stand for “human rights.” The former socialist bloc countries, especially the Stalin-era Soviet Union, were “dictatorships,” “totalitarian,” “unfree,” “against human rights.” In reality, the opposite is the case.

According to the ASP Stalin was a bloodthirsty dictator who killed millions of Soviet citizens, engineered frameups against many communists, and committed innumerable “crimes.” This is all false. This paradigm is strictly enforced in the academic field of Soviet history and through it into the intellectual and semi-popular media, and then into the popular mass media. According to the ASP, it is considered illegitimate— outside the limits of respectable discussion – to disprove any crime of which Stalin has been accused.
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>>2119952
>crimes
spooked

>>2120838
He was a guy, not a god. Take your great man theory somewhere else.

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A funny thing about Grover Furr is that he believes the NKVD did shoot hundreds of thousands of innocent people, but Stalin wasn't responsible because his chosen head of the NKVD *~duped~* him while working for German intelligence.

>The newly-available evidence confirms that Nikolai Ezhov, head of the NKVD from 1936 to late 1938, was also conspiring with the Germans. Like the Rights and Trotskyites Ezhov and his top NKVD men were counting on an invasion by Germany, Japan, or other major capitalist country. They tortured a great many innocent people into confessing to capital crimes so they would be shot. They executed a great many more on falsified grounds or no grounds at all.


>Ezhov hoped that this mass murder of innocent people would turn large parts of the Soviet population against the government. That would create the basis for internal rebellions against the Soviet government when Germany or Japan attacked.


>Ezhov lied to Stalin, the Party and government leaders about all this. The truly horrific mass executions of 1937-1938 of almost 680,000 people were in large part unjustifiable executions of innocent people carried out deliberately by Ezhov and his top men in order to sow discontent among the Soviet population.

https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/georgiantimesinterv0910.html

>>2120883
ok where's the funny part

>>2120883
and then he replaced him with beria of all people

maybe he shouldn't have surrounded himself with opportunistic thugs



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>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
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>>2121281
>going to jail over this


>>2121323
>one retard leaves
>"WHOLE CLUB DISSOOOOOLVED"
Infrafags have a tendency to make overly exaggerated claims and lie. Like here >>2119698

Dasha is ultraconservative

>>2121345
Also >>2121040

>>2121323
>We had an issue with one guy who just tried running for a local electoral office without even consulting the party, declared himself a PatSoc, and then left/was forced out after he got criticized when his run ended in a failure.
Ah, I remember that guy from his meltdowns online. I don't think he joined ACP though, and actually I don't know what happened to him.

Oh hey, read an article last night by Hobsbawm called "Revolution and Sex," written during the sexual revolution and what the relationship was to libertinism and social and political revolution. Hobsbawm's answer was "not much," and wrote about the puritanical streak of communists (and Trotskyites, in fact), and also early 20th century anarchists. He didn't explore why this was, just that a libertine approach to these things (and also taking drugs) takes up a lot of time, which revolutionaries don't usually have in the midst of strife and civil wars. It also just gets in the way of organization and efficiency, although he didn't subscribe to the idea that it's because "the workers are puritanical and we have to appeal to the workers so therefore…" which is something communists like to say, but it's hard to say whether that's actually true.

The Infracels/American Cult Party talk up that attitude, but the stories getting out are, like, there was a party where guys were getting blackout drunk, the few women in it are getting approached by incel mouthbreathers, and Hinkle is trying to create an Instagram persona like he's a Rich Girl of Russia while shilling Andrew Tate (which was the breaking point for one of the women in the group who seemed to actually believe in puritanical, self-sacrificing stuff).

Anyways, Hobsbawm believed that changes in personal affairs like sex are more of a consequence of social revolution. The liberation of women, for example. The rule of men over women, and exploitation of women, tends to carry restrictions on what women can do.



 

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It looks like a bunch of the Palestinian prisoners that were released in the ceasefire deal are are affiliated with Fatah, PFLP etc. So in the off chance that the Zios are right that Hamas isn't going to recover could we end up seeing a resurgence in the more left wing/secular elements of the Palestinian resistance?

>>2120810
Iraqi Kurds are allied with Turkey.

>>2120719
>Iraqi Kurds
You are aware that not only are these Kurds in opposition to the PKK/ Rojava but also actively collaborate with Turkey, right?

>>2119298
It can only properly rebuild once Israel- as we know it, ceases to exist.
Unless there's a one state-solution, or a genuine anti-zionist overthrow of the settler colony which by some miracle "reforms" Israel, the Zionist entity will continue to violate ceasefire agreements (which they have historically done), and take time to lick its wounds before attacking Palestenians all over again.

As for how things currently are, it will likely take over a decade.

>>2120979
>in the off chance that the Zios are right that Hamas isn't going to recover
they aren't even that "degraded" or whatever they where wiping out idf left and right till the last moment of the ceasefire



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Remember: It's a big club and you ain't in it.

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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine
https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
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>>2121232
In a screencap, perhaps. You're a /pol/ native, I was an invader, who willingly posted under the commie flag and shit up threads and got banned repeatedly. I thought you were supposed to be able to tell the difference. Guess not, idiot.

>>2121233
I can appreciate all that and still recognize russia is waging a petty imperialist war(USER WAS ALREADY BANNED, SAGE AND REPORT)

>petty imperialist





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Get The Pensioner's Starved Edition

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/01/06/gwhf-j06.html

UK Labour government refuses to pay pension compensation to millions of women

< […] Starmer said, “The taxpayer simply cannot afford the tens of billions of pounds in compensation when the evidence does show that 90 percent of those impacted did know about it [changes to pensions]. That is because of the state of our economy.”
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>>2120048
<That threat of course remains. But now, alongside that we also see acts of extreme violence perpetrated by loners, misfits, young men in their bedroom, accessing all manner of material online, desperate for notoriety.

Why does society always blame young men exclusively for domestic terrorism? Let's forget about the boomer age males whom are more common in radical conservative terrorist groups.

Also those "loner/misfit turned criminal" is an outlier
The media hype it up to be bigger than it is

>>2115730
It's also that we have people like >>2112676 who think leftism is supposed to be rebellion for the sake of it.
They assume that class consciousness is supposed to be exactly like action adventure movies

Inside the mind of Elon Musk: Twitter's former VP speaks to LBC

>>2120533
a lot of isis recruits were second generation college educated doctors

>>2121302
Yet who invented those kind of institutions?



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