/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Nazi AMA guy is back in /USApol/, please do what you will

>>1121169
Pancake man did literally nothing wrong and your picrel ( https://www.marxists.org/archive/pannekoe/1947/workers-councils.htm ) is an important review of the initial strengths and fatal contradictions of syndicalism that every revolutionary, from marxist to anarchist, should read. Continue on that course, and also read Munis.

>>1124082
>Daily reminder that big they/them is watching you
>t. infrared
Uh oh

>>1124203
>What kind of respectable socialist tweets about furries out of the fucking blue? Cultural issues is the last refuge for people, who have ran out of things to say … All of these idiots should log off and join a fucking union and organised their workplaces.
It's a reflection of an unhappy soul. It's like getting mad about people who dress up as Star Trek characters and go to conventions. My attitude is like, that's what's bothering you? That's what's making you upset? Is he going to start crying all of a sudden about some pop culture thing?

Is this someone who has the nerve for revolutionary activity?

>>1124325
>>1124326
Zizek says the Western left needs to use Western chauvinism to achieve its ends rather than being shitty moralizers.

>>1124325
Make a thread, bcz this is interestin'
But anyways, don't traditions and national pride have to come from somewhere and aren't just eternally existent?
Fidel Castro doesn't have to pretend to be a patriot to oppose American imperialist bourgeoisie when Cuba had already developed traditions of opposition to Americans?

>>1124347
Yes. And the West can probably find some historical precedent for not spreading its ass goatse for capitalism anymore.

>>1124170
Flood the board with soyjaks, but blend in to make it look like it's coming from themselves.

>>1124334
Lmao

>>1123998
i actually draw that distinction all the time to point out how much sense russia's actions make.

"Russia has an understandable reason to invade a neighbor that is about to join a rival military alliance and station American nukes 30 minutes from Moscow. That is not imperialism. Imperialism is when America sends money and weapons to reactionaries halfway across the planet in order to destabilize a rival. Imperialism is when America invades Afghanistan for opium and Iraq for oil."

>>1124334
thank you based drawanon

>>1124341
I am not him sadly, it's an older drawing by him

>>1123814
Someone should add squealing pig sound effects over this.

become a doomer. then live your life as you would have before, because there's not much you can do

>>1124306
also obviously there is a future, the only question is its quality
humanity won't go extinct until you're dead ;)
so just fight for a society that can raise that quality of life, and can plan the economy (or - what is explicitly left out of the economy, which is the piece capitalism is literally unable to do) and clean up the environment

The way I'd go about it with be with small acts of heroism against the evil corps or something.
Corps like Black Rock, Goldman Sachs, Amazon, etc…

>>1124330
Well like for example Blackrock and Goldman Sachs have financial AIs right?
Well steal those AIs.
Imagine antifa steals financial AI. Thatd be cool.

Doomerism and nihilism are counterrevolutionary and probably fascistic too.

>>1124191
> use the power of the supreme ruler
you have it upside down, infracel, and it should be totally obvious how wrong this is

but in case it's not i'll spell it out - a leaders only has the power of the people who will obey them. The leader has no power which the people direct. There is a locus around which the people organize and take direction from. This is exactly the point of a party, for communists. As communists (if this applies to you), we should of course not hold up the idea of an enlightened singular leader, endowed with great power. This is a reactionary delusion. The party's authority comes from the people who will follow it in a revolutionary crisis, and thus from its theoretical and analytical correctness, unity, and discipline.

>Acktually, democracy (people's power) is when you voooooote for some random guy to do the things you want
<No its when you some random guy who wasn't assigned by the people represents the state and the state = people
pure ideology

western demokukracy BTFOED

libs all time favorite propaganda "animal farm" reimagined

>>1124352
This guy is a sorta lib type character so tread carefully

>>1124258
It's true you couldn't get information held in secret - this is part of the design of the computer and a characteristic of information generally. But, the internet allowed for sharing a vast trove of information that was otherwise expensive to obtain, contact over long distances, and crucially allowed the participation of home users to create media that would be distributed worldwide. This was a crucial difference from before, where legacy media was controlled by established influencers and a response to authority was conditioned in the people. To this day, legacy media is still riding the conditioning it set all the way back in the 1950s, expecting people to remain deferential to the talking heads on the television. They have adapted their tactics, but with older people, they know the old methods are what they will respond to, so it almost becomes comforting for someone to hear Pete Bootygay use the old NLP hypnosis lines. Obama did the same shit. The internet necessitates a different method of thought control, whereas the old way was just to get people parked in front of the TV - using fear of a general war as a motivator and then pushing television in schools and dependence on popular culture to fit in - and then keep them in a light trance where they don't think about anything and everything is far away.

>>1124271
I hesitate to call any technology inherently good but I am inspired by new inventions that crop up to circumvent copyright and surveillance. I hope they keep cropping up faster than they get chopped down.

>>1122983
Computer is personal property. Means of production is the internet utilities underground, compilers, OS, CPU manufacturing plants

>>1123703
Programmers produce commodities (software, computers) which are sold for a price in stores . more complex when online

>>1124279
Can't really circumvent surveillance. If it's connected, the NSA will get that sweet sweet data and knows how to decrypt it. Encryption is so easy to circumvent no matter how complicated you make it, and the government twisted arms to make everyone install backdoors anyway. Ultimately you can't compete with the government's ability to fuck with you - though this is all really a show, because Apple et al don't give a shit about your privacy and probably installed shit you haven't even heard of and feed your info to god knows who.

If you want to be safe, keep your shit offline and transfer files through hard media. If I were really worried about someone stealing my data, I'd keep the important shit on a disconnected computer and know the architecture. You can do a lot with older computers if you know how to refurbish them. It's amazing how many people are stumped by computers that are easy for me to use, though that's not going to deter any competent actor who wants your information.

I don't know why you need to believe in inherently good or bad technology. That whole idea is a technocratic myth that has no place in discussing the real situation. Unless the intent of the device is purely malevolent, a computer is just a tool. You could argue that the development of the computer was spurred by a managerial thought that was inherently imperial and obsessed with controlling people, which is why the first business machines were used for scientific management. Ultimately, though, if you have any sense of what a computer actually does, you can figure out what information is being leeched and what's going in, and how you or anyone else would interface with it. That's really important in understanding what the NSA is actually capable of - they can fetch your information but it will take a human agent to make sense of it and send the feds after you.

There's a lot of shit being collected right now that you don't want to think about. Just imagine what's going to happen to all those poor sods who thought their porn addiction was normal…

>>1124273
>>1124277

that's Malthusian and anti-Marxist and displays high ignorance. Don't compare the time when the plague happened and people used leeches to treat bloody noses because "they had too much blood inside" with these times when the only ones playing "we are witless clueless innocent bastards" are the fucking people that hire the most intelligent people on earth to secure the most advanced killing machines, the most lethal bank system, and so on.

>>1122363
I think that would be the 1980s.
With inflation and outsourcing along with defending of education, the start of stranger danger, and radical rightism

>>1124285
i don't agree with malthusian ideas at all. I merely posted the article about the black death raising wages and posited that a similar amount of deaths would also raise wages. I don't think it would be good nor do I imagine "overpopulation" to be the issue.

>>1124292
Oh sorry, I read you out of blue. the conversation derived from a reaction of porky after seeing dying 3.5bn people. I am sorry fren.

>>1124217
It is a mascot :^)

>>1123375
>Afganistan
>Vietnam
Kinda ironic ngl

this was posted on reddit as "chinese worker's helmet vs. his boss's helmet"

is this just propaganda? is it hong kong instead of mainland? What's the /prc/ take on this?

>>1124284
each color represents a particular use, fuck even across industries varies wildly. is not the same helmet (nor the quality standard and protection it offers) you use inside a mine compared to a construction building, even if they match the same color.
t. mechanical engineer

>>1124284
some redditor also offered this translation:

"We'll do an experiment today. This is the safety helmet of us front line workers."
>Taps yellow hardhat on head
"This is the safety helmet that belongs to leadership"
>Holds up red hardhat
"Let's see which is sturdier"
>Smashes hats together
>It breaks / becomes useless right away
>Holds up yellow hardhat
"This is the safety helmet of front line workers"
>Holds up red hardhat
"This is the leadership's safety helmet. The supervisor's hat is sturdier. The sturdiest is the supervisor's hat. It's modern and sturdy. The safety helmets of us front line workers only has this much effect."
>Throws broken yellow hat to the ground
"Give support, friends."

>>1124284
how does reddit come up with such wild copes kek

>>1124316
Ask any fascist what their economic solutions are all they'll tell you some bs

>>1124316
I'm not sure if you're American, but American media uses terms like "middle class" and "working class" in a way that doesn't quite make sense and severely stifles class consciousness. For example, anyone who isn't officially designated "low income" is called middle class, and the term "working class" is shorthand for person who hasn't gone to college. Very few of us support fascism, to the extent I've never met an American who supported fascism.

The closest thing I've seen to socialist consciouses is the kind of social democratic AOC Bernie Sanders crowd who use the term "working class" to describe all workers regardless of education level and sometimes regardless of income.

I haven't seen the aesthetics of fascism used to accomplish anything good. As I said above, the only good I can see in fascism is its belief the government should exist and try to be effective.

>>1121278
faggot