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 No.230246

>>227200
We do a little purging.


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 No.213572[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.&
Archive of first ~500 posts on original thread:
https://archive.fo/pRkxK
Subsequent archives:
https://archive.fo/https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2265496.html
Related archives:
https://archive.fo/HbuXi
https://archive.fo/https://8ch.net/leftpol/res/36983.html
https://archive.fo/https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/res/9051.html
https://archive.fo/https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/213572.html
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 No.229449

>>228594
this roastie's story is so inconsistent the details change everytime she gets interviewed.
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 No.229593

>>228594
she hit the wall running bros
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 No.231047

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 No.231225

How revisionist DPRK is from MLM standpoint?
I mean, based on translated texts, Juche allows national capitalists to coexist with the vanguard party. They employ "united front" instead of DotP, allow joint-cooperatives where national capitalists can freely participate and their profit depends on amount of capital they've brought.
How it is anons? I tried to base my info only on official DPRK writings on the topic, not agitprop from US.
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 No.231254

>>231225
>They employ "united front"
This is what Maoist China always did, by having the CPC as a dominant party in a united coalition of parties.


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 No.225026[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

🗽/USAPol/ - United States Politics 🦅
LYNCHIAN EDITION
Thread for petit discussion related to the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the earth.


🏈💵💸🍔
Other livestreams:
CNN: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html
MSNBC: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html
FOX: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html
Bloomberg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8PhLsUcFE
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 No.231072

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Though as a Mestizo Leftist™, I don't think I was as ever proud of spooks like muh heritage until I became a leftist. Spanish speaking revolutionaries were so goddamn cool:

https://youtu.be/-tgNXuNxXbw
https://youtu.be/ZoLeQ7gbF_g
https://youtu.be/cA1PHmsgo8A
https://youtu.be/wn0FsjUES2U
https://youtu.be/NMl00VrPExc

<I know nothing, except that I find it unfair that those who tend the soil, seed the grain and harvest it have less to eat than those who live their lives in continual festivities, without doing anything useful
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 No.231216

>>230930
>>231079
>"uyghurs"
t. /pol/

There is no America. Who's supposed to get upset about this? Everyone hopes their opposition live shorter lives here.
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 No.231251

What's a good womb to sire a child and raise them with left values with? A protestant or a Catholic womb?
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 No.231253

>>231251
Have sex with a stranger and never call them again


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 No.231230[Reply]

People call him a traitor, but who did he betray exactly?
People call him a fed, but the fed thing is highly disputed and if memory serves comes from one unreliable source.
People call him english chauvinist, but that was only because of his time and upbringing, however his books stand the test of time.
Orwell was a hero and he killed fascists.
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>>231230
>highly disputed
>give out list of his own comrades to the MI6 for being gay, Jewish or black communists
Kys Bong intelligence. You’re not fooling anyone.
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>The only people who misunderstand George Orwell’s 1984 are those that go around trying to imagine it has a leftist message. It is mistaken to imagine that children in the English-speaking world get his work drilled into them like a mantra because, somehow, genuine socialists managed to sneak his work past a censor that banishes the likes of Karl Marx and Malcolm X.

>The less complicated reading is the correct one: it’s an anti-communist book that the establishment pushes, and the right adores and cites constantly, because it is effective anti-communist propaganda.

https://redsails.org/on-orwell/
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 No.231243

>>231230
He had good intentions but his most famous works (Animal Farm and 1984) ended up being used to bash socialism in general rather than just Stalinism. He should be applauded for helping the Republicans in Spain though.
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 No.231252

>>231243
>He should be applauded for helping the Republicans in Spain though.
Do you even know what he does over there? By his own words it’s just sitting on his ass and complaining like a pampered rich boy trying to play battle.


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 No.216752[Reply]

🇧🇷 /brg/ Brasil General 🇧🇷
Brazilian Lenin edition
Last one got full
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 No.230774

>>230685
Se o gov fosse mais simpatico só tinha ignorado, como fez a grande mídia
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Umas imagens de reação BR.
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 No.230880[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

I can see how having a "he who does not work shall not eat" rule might be necessary in desperate times, like during a war or a famine, but it doesn't seem like it would be necessary during times of prosperity. Additionally, making it so that people have to work in order to survive makes it easier for exploitative labor relations to exist, as people may find that entering into such labor relations is the only way they can survive.
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 No.231228

>>231224
>I just don't want to threaten people with destitution if they don't work.
give neets a nature survival guide
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 No.231229

>>231226
Well I think the urban core/suburb/rural distinction is important. The only 3 autonomous zones I can think of (Seattle, Portland, and Minneapolis) were located in urban core areas.

>>231228
There should be an alternative to formal employment other than making people live off the land. I don't see how making work optional is such a big deal. Some studies have been done on universal basic income experiments, and none of them seem to have found UBI resulting in any big reductions in the number of people working. It seems to fair to extrapolate the findings of those studies to say that guaranteeing everyone their basic needs under socialism would not result in any big reductions in the number of people working.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/20/15821560/basic-income-critiques-cost-work-negative-income-tax
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 No.231231

>>231229
The only countries that can afford UBI are first world countries that are still eploiting people in the third world

You are a retard
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 No.231240

>>231231
What does that have to do with anything? Even you are correct on that point, that has no bearing on whether or not people need the threat of destitution to be motivated to work.
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 No.231249

The whole point of socialism is to abolish exploitation and get rid of parasites. Why would you want to reintroduce parasitism in the form of NEETs that mooch of working people? Besides i don't think allowing freeloaders to exist will be a popular policy among the working class. Real retard hours.


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 No.110463[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Internet Trash General
Please post your twitter screenshots and related social media and website gossip in here, rather than start an entire thread for it.

Edit: Youtube general has been merged back into this thread
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Dovahhatty is a decent historical channel that I've grown to like but unfortunately he and most of his following are kind of chuds. None more than the channel Malthius, a channel that seeks to do historical videos in his style while their owner is a secret National Socialist who denies the Holocaust.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8sepVA7HxOckjoSjVTlObw
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>>231194
Destiny is such a manlet, when even vaush is taller than you
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 No.231203

>>231080
History channels are mostly reactionary in nature. The rest are Liberals and you rarely see a leftist one
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 No.231248

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>"The Ideal Male Living space"
>"The Average r/RedScarePod Couple"
>"The Ideal r/RedScarePod Couple"
>"The Ideal Average r/RedScarePod Couple living space"
>Shilling for an Unironic New Age candidate who called Vaccine Mandates Orwellian
>"lamotrigine"
>Literally just a screenshot of of a tweet
>"NOOOOOOOOOO NOOT MUH FREAKIN CANCELL CULTURE!!! BE CONCERNEDD!!!!!!!!
>Literally just a fucking picture of someones unrelated Artwork
>"globalists"
>ChristCuck Worship
>Unironically believing “coastal elites” with grad degrees on twitter are the most spiteful people out there
>"podcasters"
>Literally just a Fucking screenshot of a Fucking Apartment Building
>"i Literally Just hate Liberals, there's nothing else to my politics"
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 No.223549

>>223094
especially that one
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 No.225395

>>223483
There used to be some direct democracy parties, but they all failed to gain popular support… most of these were some kind of "pirate party" or internet weird thing totally disconnected from the proletariat though.
I would like to hear more about how could we advance such a party.
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 No.230377

>>218493
>>218968
What do you think about the recent (political) developments in the DPRK? I think that after shifting the focus from nuclearization/military build up, the WPK will now set its sights on developing the economy. What do you as cybersocs think? Is there more room for cybernetic socialism in the DPRK if they manage to build, for example a reliable powergrid? See:
>>213965
>>226853
>>226944
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 No.230542

>>230377
It's a possibility, but from my interpretation of the historical context of DPRK it is also similarly likely, if not moreso, that they will go the rightist route (as have been speculated before). So far it has not happened to the degree of let's say the doi-moi reforms, and they've kind of stagnated instead, as you've already pointed out.
For me, in terms of looking for communist movements and contexts where cybersoc would be more likely to be met with appeal I keep a close eye on the MLM movements, namely CPP, CPI(M) and PCP, due to the integration of the Mass Line as a concept and robust anti-revisionism, which lends itself to the contributions of Cockshott imo. But in your favor is the point that the DPRK is the most likely DotP already existing to have a chance of implementing it, I completely agree with that, so it's definitely complicated and an interesting topic. If you find more about cybernetics / IT deployed by the DPRK in contrast to other ML states then do share so we'll get a better understanding of how this may develop.
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 No.231247

>>230377
sounds like a promising development
the nork internet seems a bit weird what with it not using DNS from what I hear
is there any data on what resources, capital stocks etc are available in the DPRK?


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 No.227545[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Here is the question:
Why is anyone taking /pol/ seriously?

After having over 100 debates on /pol/ here is what I learned /pol/ is literally worthless, nothing will come from it and nothing will happen you will also not change /pol/.

There is nothing of value on /pol/.
Why do I know this?
Lets get started about 70% of /pol/ are retarded schizos.
We are talking people who will go:
>TL;DR the left can not meme
To everything that is a long post so they are defective and literally unable to learn anything.

To give you a example I made a 10 panel comic to illustrate a point short text got this from a /pol/ retard as a response.
I'm sorry if you are mentally unable to handle a 10 panel comic that has pictures for your retard brain to not get exhausted on text then you are literally unable to understand or learn anything.

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 No.231208

>>231192
>>4/pol/ is a cesspit because I make communist threads, btfo anons and then proceed to bully them
Do you have links to this? Like archives I want to see your work !
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 No.231222

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>>231129
>pro-Juche
Based taste, comrade.
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 No.231236

>>231222
His experience with Juche is likely just informed by memes and the "The Cleanest Race", given his responses in this thread its doubtful he knows about actual Juche or the polices of the DPRK.
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 No.231241

>>231236
I'm just 'avin' a giggle, I know they're a fuckwit.
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 No.231245

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>>231241
Ah, sorry. Sometimes I can't tell.


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 No.229438[Reply]

One little-known element of that gap is that the working class resents professionals but admires the rich. Class migrants (white-collar professionals born to blue-collar families) report that “professional people were generally suspect” and that managers are college kids “who don’t know shit about how to do anything but are full of ideas about how I have to do my job,” said Alfred Lubrano in Limbo. Barbara Ehrenreich recalled in 1990 that her blue-collar dad “could not say the word doctor without the virtual prefix quack. Lawyers were shysters…and professors were without exception phonies.” Annette Lareau found tremendous resentment against teachers, who were perceived as condescending and unhelpful.

Michèle Lamont, in The Dignity of Working Men, also found resentment of professionals — but not of the rich. “[I] can’t knock anyone for succeeding,” a laborer told her. “There’s a lot of people out there who are wealthy and I’m sure they worked darned hard for every cent they have,” chimed in a receiving clerk. Why the difference? For one thing, most blue-collar workers have little direct contact with the rich outside of Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. But professionals order them around every day. The dream is not to become upper-middle-class, with its different food, family, and friendship patterns; the dream is to live in your own class milieu, where you feel comfortable — just with more money. “The main thing is to be independent and give your own orders and not have to take them from anybody else,” a machine operator told Lamont. Owning one’s own business — that’s the goal.

What does /leftypol/ think of this phenomenon?
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 No.230963

>muh PMC!
Should have tried harder at school

>>230038
Reported for wojak posting
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 No.230979

>>230899
This isn't some particularly unique to youtube and pundits. Everyone looks down on their specific career types as not 'real work'.

>On a related point, why do so many people seeme to miss the word "manager" in PMC?

Because management is such a vague term that almost anyone can be one.
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 No.231071

>>229858
>imagine my shock
Smug fart huffer still analysing everything from a 19th centrury perspective
Imagine my surprise
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 No.231141

>>230963
>Should have tried harder at school

fuck you pmc! YOU FUCKING ELITIST SHIT
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 No.231244

I state my goal for this text-wall: Pissing you off, and cause you emotional discomfort. Yes you in particular, but also everybody else, so don't read it.

Op is talking about the division between mental and physical labor. People that do mental labor have a tendency to look down at people that do physical labor. They believe it maintains them a higher social status, a claim to higher wages and other benefits. An unspoken yet widely accepted assumption is that manual labor has to feel inferior to accept orders and instructions. Manual workers like all human beings resent having a low social status and of course create a counter value system that devalues mantel labor.

Tangent: Manual labor can in some occasions earn more than mental labor, like a diver that does welding underwater for offshore mineral extraction can make more than a lawyer.

Socialists will notice that this divide benefits the capitalists because they in effect are able to play different sections of their employees against each other. So the socialist program is to eliminate the social distinction between mental and physical labor. Work done is work done, it's time and effort regardless whether the brain or the muscles were exerted. We have reached the sticky point, both sides of the divide will have to adjust their attitudes and value each others contributions, and redirect their animosity towards the capitalist class.

Tangent: When the Soviet Union was being collapsed by the Yeltsin-gang, the educated strata of the former Soviet Union was protected, manual labor however experienced a huge rise in mortality and reduced life expectancy.

For our fellow educated leftist here, it has to be noted that mental labor has to carry more of the burden of healing this rift, because physical work is done by people that the system considers disposable for the most part, they often have less maneuvering room to make concessions.

Many people that work management like having power over others more than anything else in the world, they will not side with socialism because that wouldn't let them play the role of petty tyrant in an office, a construction site or corporate chain business. They wont care about their economic interests. Many academics are busy inventing new "theories" that explain why poor people are bad quality breeding stock or lack the sophistication it takes to run society, they abuse their cognitive tools to craft elaborate declarative nPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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