/lgbt/ - LGBT

>>4581
This is a very shaky argument because you're relying on subjective experiences to drive home a claim of objectivity.
Not only are we talking just subjective experiences here, but it's also past subjective experiences which are very prone to biased retrospection.

>>4581
I cant think of a single sign from my childhood of me being trans. If anything, it was the opposite. In my childhood I badly wished I was more masculine. I felt disgust when my mom put makeup on me once as a joke and immediately tried to wipe it off. I always lamented about how I wasnt as tall or athletic as the other guys in my class. I never even had the thought of wanting to be a girl until my late teens.

>>4583

Is it possible these early feelings of dysphoria could still have been signs of your innate transness, manifesting as feelings of insecurity about your assigned gender identity? Everyone experiences these dysphoric feelings to some extent in their lives whether they are trans or cis, but do think it might have been particularly extreme in your case, like an ongoing recurring thing?

>>4581
>long before having any real knowledge about gender or sexuality or any significant exposure to outside information about gender or sexuality
what constitutes real knowledge? can people even have memories before they have language? arent most childrens first words gender signifiers?

>>4587
>what constitutes real knowledge?

Hearing adults talk about what is and isn't appropriate behavor for boys or girls, going to school and being exposed to other kids' or teachers' ideas about gender, being exposed to mainstream ideas about gender through media, etc. It seems like a lot of queer people and trans people have distinct memories of queer/trans moments from early childhood, long before knowing anything about being gay or trans or stuff like that, but perhaps I'm overgeneralizing.

This is just my own anecdotal evidence, but I distinctly remember kissing a boy in kindergarten at age 5 and I know for a fact that neither he nor I knew anything about kissing or sex or being gay or anything like that at that age, in fact we were quite intentionally kept in the dark about all of that stuff growing up in a very conservative southern Christian society in the early 90s. I don't remember if it was my idea or his idea but we just thought it up and did it one day at recess and like many things you do as a kid, neither of us really knew why we did it at the time, we just felt like doing it. We were like sort of casual friends throughout school but it never went any further than that and neither of us ever mentioned the kiss again.

Years later the other kid grew up to be a very hetero-acting alpha-male chad type of guy, super into bodybuilding and sports and was on the wrestling team in high school, now he's a cop and has a wife and kids, whereas I grew up to be a fag. Make of that what you will.

>>4537
https://nitter.poast.org/SedimentedGeist
Great account.

>inherently bourgeois
calling things "bourgeois" is an ironic joke, anyone serious should focus on historical materialism that places class struggle as the driver of history.
>an imaginary of the working class
The ability of the proletariat to create a trans imaginary was possible because of the bourgeois industrial revolution that allows for such mass produced medical surgery technologies to be developed. As Diego Riviera said:
<“Marx made theory… Lenin applied it with his sense of large-scale social organization… And Henry Ford made the work of the socialist state possible.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Industry_Murals
>despite the supposed third-worldist bent many of you claim to have,
Maoists and trans are two types of people that are common in fascist American prisons for a reason: they are administrated by the panopticon surveillance carceral state
>>4508
>arise historically…not from self-identification
>Marxism does not deny agency
"history just happens, individuals have no ability to sense their own hands let alone their genitals, you are actually numb you liar" gamerchair Marx bros are just Joe Rogan guys who can read

>>4556
Essentialists still have not refuted materialism

Transness is a reflection of alienated consciousness, no different in structure from religious fundamentalism or existentialist philosophy. It arises when the real contradictions of society are inverted in consciousness, appearing as personal or spiritual struggles instead of material realities.

Bourgeois ideology rests on the notion of the self contained individual, the “sovereign consumer” or “self made person,” whose personal desires and choices are treated as the ultimate reality. This logic underpins capitalist relations of production: private property, private labor, private identity. Everything social and collective is reduced to individual will and preference.

Transgender ideology mirrors this bourgeois outlook. It claims that the individual’s subjective sense of self stands above material reality, that inner feeling can redefine biological sex. In doing so it inverts the real relation between sex and gender: social roles and ideas of gender arise from material sex relations, not the other way around. What is in reality an expression of class society’s alienation—the oppression of women rooted in biological and economic conditions—appears instead as a purely personal question of identity and consumption.

Rather than transforming the conditions that produce gender alienation, the commodification of the body, the degradation of social relations, and the persistence of patriarchal property norms, bourgeois ideology offers an individual “solution”: redefine yourself, purchase medical or cosmetic changes, and demand social recognition within the very social order that created the alienation. This is the false freedom capitalism offers, freedom as personal choice detached from collective emancipation.

>>4559
> transgender is a religion
Gender is a material socio-economic relation, sex is a superstructure for assigning gender to workers. You're reversing the base and superstructure. "Bio-woman" is an ideal sitting on top of the real working woman.

I love men who can evoke emotion. Appearance is important, but it's enough not to look like an incel or a down.

>>4462
Sorry, I cant exactly remember, but it was one of hbomberguy's older videos. The main point of the video wasnt about what men are attracted too, it was just some side comment in the video where he says that men arent sexualized as much as women in video games because male game devs dont understand what women and gay men find attractive. I don't have the time to sift though all his old videos just to find that one clip but if anyone knows what video its from please lmk.

>>4563
I dont really get the whole "evoking emotions" thing. But id rather date an incel than just some boring average guy who dresses decently.

>>4573
Like kabedon from pic upper

>>4576
Maybe somethings wrong with me but I dont feel anything looking at that, or any of those otome scenes of the guy looking deep into the girls eyes. Is the feeling just attraction? Do you just mean that your attracted to guys who make you feel attracted to them? because if so, that goes for everyone lol

penis

getting handled

and uhh, getting… compliments?

>>4424
>fake Erik Houdini, he doesn't write that way
it's the same tripcode and he admitted it and backed off the next day

>"LGBT are the base of fascism"
Let's create fascism based on LGBT

repression doesn't eliminate desire it merely distorts it.

>>4562
>Let's create fascism based on LGBT
:^)

>>4571

MARVEL soyboy!

>>4483
Wasn't he clinically insane?

>>4484
Well what does that even mean? He just needed to be accomodated in a different way and have his religious spooks busted, and he could have been a very productive member of society developing new software. Clinical psychology is wrong.

>>4485
I feel similarly about Chris Chan albeit not with full brainwashing, just better support.

Anyway I don't care about being trans or not (as in having a trans brain or whatever) but the dysphoria kinda feels like torture. Maybe not t (at least not now) but I technically still have my binders somewhere. (I don't know if they still fit.)

I don't know how or why I'm still able to post.

>>4483
>brainwashed from his religious beliefs and conscripted into a high-ranking computer science job
Computers were invented to control plantation slaves, you are that very satanic glowie

>>4483
Antipsychiatry aside, schizophrenia is as real as the plague; chances are he would've gone crazy regardless.

>Sexuality isn’t about pleasure
virgin detected

>>3985
>>3975
>>3970
This

I think it's actually more so a general lack of empathy and education in general, albeit especially regarding trans people.
Most of the evidence suggests that the modern rightoid population is so, and will breed like rabbits anyway. I will expand more on this later.

As it pertains to Trans people specifically:
10.3390/ijerph19073849
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

Interestingly, TERFs are much more likely to enable rape via fundamentalism and Rape Myth Acceptance, which is beautiful ironic that they then blame us for it (Keep in mind that this was in 2008, before the turning point)

10.1007/s11199-008-9458-7
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Honestly, all forms of transphobia are probably rooted in some sort of deep-seated fetish.

>ow else one can explain that toilet obsession?
Br*tish people are so domesticated that the shitter is the only place where they can be authentic humans with souls that don't have to be mangled to fit in with bourgeois society (Peter Mandelson is the British version of Jeffrey Epstein, and his job was to blackmail leftists to stop any resistance to fascism)
>>3985
> trans women are existentially threatening
like the most demonic neoliberal song by RuPaul

>>4479
Education doesn’t make empathy.
I wish people would stop mistaking academic drive for empathetic drive.

Also, empathy as a word is used a little too much.
Empathy isn’t even the same as compassion.
You can understand exactly how someone feels and still fuck them over.

It sounds like you all are non-binary.

i too wish i was a twink. or hunkish. i would honestly be anyone else that isn't myself

>>4542
But i just want to be a femboy and possibly also a girl, i dont want to just be relagated to just "non-binary"
>>4493
Is it even worth taking estrogen then if it wont even prevent my twink death? My life is basically over when i hit twink death, besides my body is laready incredibly masculine enough as is. I want to cry, why was i cursed like this

op again and I’ve done some thinking. The thing you’re missing is that non binary isn’t good enough. Being a femboy isn’t right or good enough.

I’ve been promised success in embodying an archetype if only I try, work out, improve my social skills. I can be anything, and that neurosis is buried so deep within me and I don’t know if it’ll ever come out. It’s compounded by contemporary theories of gender that suggest it’s all constructed and I can just choose. I actually agree with that completely, but it doesn’t soothe the ache of being unable to fundamentally, ontologically change my entirety to match an interiority that’s just. Fabricated. It doesn’t exist. It’s all ego. But I can’t square any of it.

I think I just need to meditate and find acceptance or soemthing but it hurts so much

does before hoes

It's been two years since I've been off HRT and I don't think I'll go back on it (even if I wanted to I'm broke as shit.) Every night before I fall asleep I still think about what it'd be like to be a man with a wife living happily together. I don't think it will happen but I wonder if I should just dyke out already, I have a .0001% chance of scoring a dommy mommy but I'm going to take the chance anyway.

Sup SGMs.

>from the mainstream society perspective, I fit neatly into the 'cis man' category
>I don't personally identify with a gender, and I think the binary models of gender are ridiculous, but my non-binary identity has no real effect on how society interacts with me.
- Is it insincere for me to classify myself as non-binary or queer?
- Should cis allies lie on census and surveys to inflate the trans demographic?

bought some sex toys in the hope that they can alleviate my sexual frustration somewhat
got a cock ring set, a bullet vibe, a butt plug set, a bottle of lube and a douche

>>4426
Thank you for the flag it makes me not have to decipher your word salad.
The actual answer is that your religious delusions are mentally harming you.

>>4431
Filtered by two intersecting lines. Had I chosen a different flag or no flag at all, which I could've since my opinion has nothing to do with my "religious" beliefs, you wouldn't have read my word salad either way since you're not here to engage different opinions but to circlejerk. My views on sexuality were formed well before I chose to associate myself with Christianity and what I wrote differs little from what others have posted above. Are they mentally harmed by delusions too?

>>3820
Don’t break their heart. Just get it over with

>>4264
Your first point is poorly put but true and your second is absolutely how I experience life

How do you detect closet bisexuals? They can use their het side as a shield.

>>3944
They are men who made their identity of being a lesbian when they were pre-transition such a big part of themselves that they cant bring themselves to abandon the label and admit that they are just straight white men now, so they cling to the label. This pobably wouldn't even be a thing if it wasn't for the fact that we attach such massive importance to labels. So yeah, labels in general are dumb.
>>3951
While moral apathy is bad, there is literally nothing wrong with nihilism lol

The "FTM lesbian" meme is the best way to get a cute gf as a straight trans man. Hate the game, not the players.

>>3944
TL;DR they do it because they fear getting demonized as men

Kweer spaces push a lot of anti-man rhetoric, notice how gay men pretty much got exiled from the community. The same thing happens to trans men, they have to either accept that they're getting exiled from kweerness or they can cope and pretend to be lesbians. Additionally, there's also a lot of general woke lib demonization of men especially in "women and theys" groups that trans men are likely to inhabit pre/early transition.
I don't mention straight men specifically here because a lot of FTM "lesbians" are actually bisexual or sometimes even gay.

>>3944
theyre men who after transitioning dont want to navigate dating spaces as a straight male (Or) men who want easy lesbian pussy by saying theyre a he/him lesbian

>>3944
because gender ideology as a whole is retarded and restrictive