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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine
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>>2293560
You're an idiot if you believe they would openly tell to the Russian government what to look out for, by explaining how they alledgedly did these attacks. It's basically a death sentence for their agents inside Russia. Use your head!
The Russian border with NATO is vast, and practically impossible to monitor completely.
The earlier attacks were obviously probing for this big one, confirming Russian capabilities – or lack there of.
Not building hangars in 2025 is mind-numbingly shitbrained. People should be executed for this. It was already negligent in the First Cold War, but now it's suicidal, because Russia may lose nuclear deterence completely if they keep this up. Cucktin's passivity ironically emboldens NATO to start a nuclear war.

LOL

I think other Anon is quite right in the way Cucktin acts, if Stalin acted the same way during WW2 he would have negotiated some sort of peace after the germans didn't capture Moscow in 1941 and early 1942. He probably believes going all in is not gonna go well diplomatically speaking with south countries, not to mention that by going total war you essentially risk just destroying the whole country. They also can't strike bases outside yurop since that would mean war with Nato and such a war is going to be nuclear, simply because Russia can't win a conventional one. So, going by Cucktins logic, Nato could strike (from within Ukraine as plausible deniability) basically everything including killing Cucktin and Russia would have to take it like a good little boy.

>>2293566
The Greek parliament said Azov were freedom fighters a couple years ago btw.
Cucks.

>>2293565
They are khokhols, they've notified Russia half a year in advance about 2023 Counteroffeniyv



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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

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>>2293519
If this was true we would see an increase in ultra-masculine dysmorphic gigachad physiques, this has not been the case so far.

>>2293519
>>2293536
I kinda like the implication that as a result of this, smart men invented patriarchy as a social system, which in turn favoured "low autism score brutes" anyways.

>>2293519
>LOOK AT THIS GRAPH
somethings don't change

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>>2293556
Good video



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The bourgeois family–the family as it exists today–is creepy as fuck. Every parent I've known develops some bizarre predilection with their child's sexuality, which stems from a sense of ownership over the child. You don't "own" your child. You're mandated by state to raise them.

The fact so many people view children as a burden is exactly why we need to annihilate the bourgeois family. And folks with kids don't feel any different, and they treat their kids accordingly. Raise kids in state-run boarding schools. Let people who like kids raise them.
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>>2293311
>As opposed to
Vibes and thing noticing
>Unironically grow up.
Criticizing load-bearing institutions required to keep society running is juvenile?
>Communists are against
Communism is a mode of production after socialism, schools will work different under socialism than under capitalism, and will work different under communism than under socialism, ad infinitum.
>Before you reply with some shit about how this authoritarian and elitist,
Ah, you're a recovering(?) anti-tankie redditor. Read Max Stirner and Marx.

>>2289341
You are trans

you just mad your parents don't love you

>let people who like kids raise them

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>>2293297
>please stop criticising school even though i cant make a list of its benefits
>>2292148
>what do you mean?
your claim is that 13 years of school raises the labour power of a nation by presumably teaching them skills. my claim is that school doesnt teach you skills, since immigrants can do most jobs in the west to the same rate that the natives can. you are then found in an error, where in fact, baseline labour power is not increased by education at all.
>yes, the general population is more educated than the previous generations
educated in what?
>oh you poor you oh boo hoo
thats a very odd response to my claim of questioning power. clearly you believe in a whiggish system of "progress" where things just get better on their own. thats why you dont want to disturb the plan.
>the prussian system produces educated workers quickly and efficiently.
if that were the case, it wouldnt take 13 years to create barely-literate citizens.
>ussr
the failed russian experiment?
>once more assuming im an anarchist
cite me where i criticise the idea of a state. you are just reactive, grasping onto explanations of how anyone could criticise the failing system of western capitalist schooling.



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The most important discussion to face /leftybritpol/ yet continues.

So far we have uncovered that, yes, Hitler was in fact a racist.

> “The racist is immunized against all dangers: One may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a racist and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I’ve been found out".”
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>today

<a month ago

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>>2292014
>to integrate into what? there is no nation to integrate to
Society should be enforcing values of standard common descency, social norms etc. Litter is a major one. Every day I see people standing within 5 meters of bins, and just throw their rubbish right onto the ground.
Go to a popular park on with on a good sunny day and it looks like this.
It genuinely feels like social norms have completely and totally collapsed, I've noticed that people have no problem taking up entire paths now just standing there blocking everyone, people shove past or just walk right into you, people on the tube, busses playing loud music on their phones/speakers. BAME areas just ghettoize and honestly, my area now has fucking wetmarkets with rats and all sorts running around.
Note it's not only immigrants or whatever, the collapse in social norms is widespread, across everyone. Atomization is more obvious than ever.
Yes, obviously part is a result of the collapse of the state, poverty, privatization, but the way things have gotten, in such short time, is absurd.
How the Government has not launched a single fucking anti-litter campaign is beyond me. Literally from my window right now I can spot probably around 50 pieces of litter, just on the footpath in front of my building.
The collapse of social norms is a very real thing, and the left needs to get off it's ass and this is a major easy win for any Left winger. Communism is a civic ideology. We should be gatekeeping from antisocial, anticivic freaks and pushing for enforced strict civic standards.

The UK will build 12 nuclear submarines and invest £15 billion in developing nuclear warheads to counter Russia.

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>>2292478
>human nature to follow feudal lord
read aristotle. there are natural slaves and masters. for some, servility comes much more naturally than others. some are ruled by passions and so cannot rule themselves, ergo, they are dependent beings. a child, for example, is a natural slave, which is why they are rightfully taken as property by their parents. the wage work people perform today would be considered slave labour in ancient athens, so aristotle would consider us a slave society, and he would be right. the ancient virtue of odium, or leisure, is also lost, even to masters. we are all slaves to each other; a defective democracy. so servility comes naturally to slaves, the same way there are animals which can be domesticated, and others which cant. your pathology is a universalism in reverse, while i am a pluralist. there are many natures to different humans, while you say there is either one or none.
>>2293550
>"There is no such thing (as "society")! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first." - margaret thatcher, 1987
https://newlearningonline.com/new-learning/chapter-4/neoliberalism-more-recent-times/margaret-thatcher-theres-no-such-thing-as-society

The UK will raise defence spending to 2.5% of GDP by 2027. Launching the ‘Strategic Defence Review on Monday, PM Kier Starmer unveiled the biggest military investment since the Cold War. Billions will go to cyber, AI, submarines and missiles.



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I've been wondering if I may be trans for quite awhile now, but everything's so confusing and I feel like I havent gotten any closer to a clear answer.

I'm a dude, but I dont like masculinity at all. I want to be more feminine and look prettier. I have a lot of gripes with my body, however its nowhere near as much as what most people describe as body dysphoria. This may be because I already have a relatively feminine body for a guy, but I dont know.

The main problem I have with being a man is the male gender roles and place in society, not so much the body itself. I hate being expected to be aggresive, emotionless, and be into "manly" things. I feel like if gender roles and gender norms didnt exist at all then I wouldnt have a problem being a man, but they unfortunately do exist. So does that make me trans? Or does it not count because im not dysphoric enough about my body? Am I just faking these feelings and confusing myself?
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>>2171
>but for now
and how is this any different than any other reform vs revolution argument. choosing half measures because they benefit the personal individually instead of going all the way. i wouldnt want to be trans under a system where i have to conform to some preconceived idea of what that means just to get medical care but these liberals see that as a good thing and "progressive". how can you consider yourself free when your freedom relies on separating you from your brothers and sisters

>>2173
>but thats not what was said they said if you dont have dysphoria you are not trans
>because its limiting who is and isn't trans according to bourgeois science to protect their legal right to transition under capitalism and crying about how people who dont have the same experience as them are bad optics and might get their rights taken away.
yeah I concur
>one poster even immediately goes into reinforcing transphobic bs about fetishes to distance themselves from the gross icky trans that normie liberals wont accept
who? me >>2167 ?
>>2175
it is not one or the other. also I think that trans people that don't experience gender dysphoria are still trans but it's also important to highlight that some people experience gender dysphoria and that taking hrt and transitioning is a part of curing that and being able to live a more happy healthy life

>>2145
> Mate, gender dysphoria is a thing, for many of us it's either this or paying out the nose for surgery.
what a liberal thing to say to someone pointing out the reality that gender isn't real. You can describe the same things without it. It's just not fitting in with societal expectations, not liking your appearance, and maybe having a mismatched internal body map in the brain similar to body integrity identity disorder. All these except the last are pretty typical of anyone; some people just respond differently than others.

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>>1869
>The Origin of the Family and Private Property, which is a popular materialist introduction to patriarchy
lol

engels was just dismantling the family as a unit of private property and inheritance

>Personally i've read Dialectic of Sex, finding it very insightful, a few essays by Monique Wittig, Nyx Land's gender accelerationist manifesto and related writings. Starting with Simone de Beauvoir

all philosophy trash, awesome 👍

suggesting to read feminist shit in a trans thread is even more hilarious

marxism starts from structure, all this garbage starts from myth. if you cant tell the difference, youre not doing analysis but vibes

>>2223
>philosophy trash
don't tell me you're one of those "anti-dialectic marxists"
>all this garbage starts from myth
you haven't read any of it have you? dialectic of sex for example examines the family unit, relating specific psychoanalytic concepts to their material meaning, penis envy for example as the desire for male power, and sketching the reproductive cycle sex roles, courtship and marriage serve.



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>fun hobby
>accessible for poor people
>squares hate it
>endless amount of tricks to learn
>Commercialization looked down upon.
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>>45982
Honestly it's kind of annoying that it's exclusively associated with kids. I'm 38 and just as fit as ever since I don't eat like shit and exercise regularly but society deems the appropriate sport for me is golfing or pickleball even tho I'm probably more athletic than most skaters. I've consistently trained since I was a teen so I don't feel old at all. But I'm too afraid to mention I'm into skating to my work colleagues

>>45985
Sure it is until you eat a hospital bill

>>45985
How not? You can get a top of the line skateboard for like $100-$200 and then after that, everything else is free. Lots of public skateparks or you can just skate on the sidewalk or trespass and skate.

>>45987
It's really not that dangerous if you wear a helmet. 99% of injuries are just sprains

>>45985
It is accessible to working class people in the west. In third world countries maybe not so much. It's generally bougies that like extreme sports anyway in most parts of the world



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>>2293162
YOU MUST SUPPORT ISRAEL OR ELSE!

>>2293087
Capitalist China doing what capitalists love most. Working with today's nazis

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>>2293087
CIA faggot shit
Fake news

>>2293087
dengoids in SHAMBLES



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>>2293511
and? children making the best of inhuman conditions isn't all of those things to you? did arguing with ziohazards all day rob you of any joy?

>>2293514
>finding genocide cute
yup, that's exactly what I said. you are mentally ill.

>>2293433
There will be a 24-48 hour news cycle of Zionist orgs and rat politicians calling it a second Holocaust and then people won’t give a shit anymore, just like with the embassy shooting

Don’t you love when the Zionist have to lie about the harming of children?
>The people injured were between the ages of 67 and 88
Fuckin knew they were lying out their asses, the shits. Need to be hounded on for this one.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/01/boulder-colorado-attack

>>2293200
You make these?



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>>2292002
Ye asked, and ye shall recieve
Talk about why you guys hate modern "east european (outside of russian and ukrainian)" politics and society or stuff to that effect
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Only 3 people live there, nobody cares

Based
KILL ALL BALTOIDS!
They are the closest thing to genetic fascism next to Poolish.

>>2293505
Why would you want to kill people who are simply under foreign occupation? Everyone can be a perfectly fine socialist, the only thing they're missing is freedom. We should just liberate them and purge the bourgeois influences.

>>2292696
yugo music and films were goated

>>2293532
Anti-Zigger bait couldnt be more obvious



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The Frankfurt School refracted Gramsci’s materialist theory of hegemony through the lens of Freudian psychoanalysis, Weberian cultural pessimism, and idealism, effectively mutating it into a bourgeois theory of subjectivity rather than a tool of working class revolution.

Hegemony is not just cultural dominance or consent, it’s the means by which the ruling class stabilizes its rule through a combination of coercion and consent. It is rooted in material social relations, especially those between the base (economy) and the superstructure (institutions, ideology, culture). Gramsci believed organic intellectuals of the proletariat could construct a counterhegemonic bloc, capable of transforming the state and society. Regardless of your stance on this view (I personally don't even like Gramsci), instead of building on Gramsci’s materialist framework, thinkers like Adorno, Horkheimer, and later Marcuse, recentered hegemony around mass psychology and alienation (drawing heavily from Freud rather than Marx), framed culture as a site of despair rather than a terrain of struggle (see shit like "The Culture Industry"), treated the working class as passive consumers of ideology rather than active agents, moved the critique from economic structures to academic shit like "rationality," "instrumentality," and "false needs". This flattened hegemony into a totalizing force of domination, where resistance is nearly impossible and mass culture is always regressive.

The Frankfurt School’s pessimistic, psychoanalytically-infused marxism domesticated Gramsci, turning a strategic theory of proletarian advance into a fatalistic theory of cultural rot. This led to even further academic detachment from revolutionary politics, moralist critiques of culture (music, film, advertising) with little class analysis and the foundation for much of radlibbery which fixates on subjectivity, identity, language, and desire while neglecting the material mode of production. In effect, it helped divorce marxism from its historical and class-based roots.
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>>2287546
illiterate

>>2287522
Yeah pseuds don't understand that Gramsci isn't a lens for analyzing the themes of corporate media. He’s a lens for understanding why capital lets you tell stories about rebellion, etc in the first place, and how that defuses actual revolt. But they gotta feel good about watching or even making video essay slop about the "revolutionary themes of Shrek 5" or whatever.

>>2293365
>He’s a lens for understanding why capital lets you tell stories about rebellion, etc in the first place, and how that defuses actual revolt.
More importantly he describes the processes by which the ruling class establishes the material basis for their cultural supremacy so that real revolts don't occur.

séx with the uyghurs

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Operation Deep Sneed edition

Made a new thread since the other one is full. You know the drill folks, gather here to discuss and/or complain about Hearts of Iron 4 and all the alt history mods that make the game relevant. From green natpops to sicko mode Savinkov we've got a lot of exciting stuff coming in the next Kaiserreich update, one which will make the LKMT look like pre-rework Germany by comparison. But dont worry TNOomers, you're getting some new content too! After a year and a half and three focus trees that only last for four years, we finally have something new and that's…

…three years of fucking Antarctica
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this TNO update is shit content
you have kleptocratic populist akin on the levels of alckmin, then you have liberal technocratic dickhead that is willing to install a military/presidential dictatorship and ruin decades of labour rights to appease americans.
the content is top tier but i fucking hate they choose not to give content to goulart or brizola.
there is a interesting brazillian civil war fail path where lacerda hits the shit on fan :3

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>>42746 (me)
there is a fun path where lacerda has some fucking god tier heydrich level crashdown about varguists

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>>42750 (me)
also more fun stuff

>>42746
TNO is full of soyjak liberals, always did and always will, they will die if they put some leftist with a heart or a communist that ain't a strawman or if it's some idealist nonsense like they did with sablin, because disney princess communism is very fun (not really).
i was very hopefull that they would add a brizola path where he goes warhammer 40k against fascism and america appeasers, but that won't happen in a million years.

>>42759
maybe in some update they will add both trabalhismo and JK path (after probably military update)
they love doing the worst paths updating earlier
play lacerda failpath….. it is satisfying his crashout and downfall, and the police who did the racist liberdade massacre and the PARA-SAR thugs being sent to the mass graves which they sent favelados, poor people and militants to death after either ALN/PCdoB or brizola MNR takes over after civil war



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The presidential elections in Poland are coming soon, which means that it's time for me to bitch about this place (or more exactly the people that reside in it, which science still has not fully been able to describe the behaviorism of) again.

Of course, the Poles, being a classified reaKKKtionary group will cast their votes for the candidate that they (wrongly) believe is the right one, and while most likely the uninspired liberal Trzaskowski will win, this election also sees (so far) a rise in the popularity of a right wing agent of Satan candidate Mentzen (his name is German - that already is an ill omen)

I guess people deciding to caste their vote for the KKKlandidate from KKKonfederacja is bad enough, but currently he has 3rd place in most polls (which are a shit source of info, at least in Poland, but his supporters are loud at least). Like his memes say, he might actually have a higher chance of beating PO's Trzaskowski if he gets to the 2nd turn (which he likely won't). Of course the postulates are the same old rightoid spiel - low taxes, privatize stuff, shit that would never help any common prole (which is funny because common cis male proles are his biggest electorates, followed by teenagers and young adults with delusions of grandeur and entrepreneurial success)

In true Polish fashion there is no real good candidate, maybe Razem's Zandberg who actually has leftist postulates, criticized Israel (uncommon among Polish politics even though the population is like 80% anti-Israel at least), ran the pre-www Polish section of the Marxist Internet Archive as a teenager. But then, Razem is a socdem party through and through - unless Zandberg somehow gets elected and randomly brings back the Polish People's Republic.
His biggest supporters are actually among academic young adults, most of studentoid friends of mine actually vote for him.

Sometimes I wonder what CIA programming Poles went through to just go "jezu komunis" at any leftist postulate and causes them to react towards nazism (speaking of - plenty more nazi stickers around my place recently, being Polish and a nazi has to be a new suicide cult)

tl;dr the Poles have had it too good for long enough.
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Poles be like: OMG PISS won against POOP! What will we do now, I'm into scat not golden showers

>majority of polish moids-I mean men consider LGBT ideaology to be the biggest threat faced by Poland right now
Of fucking course, let's never forget that reactionaries deserve everything they get

>>2293020
I saw a lot of anti-Nawrocki lib spam that like "he's the Russian candidate!!!" And I was like, uhh, I don't think you guys know very much about Poland.

Poles attempt to not be even more reactionary: impossible

>Election
These politicians are selected by the bourgeoisie and Washington. This is all spectacle. Polls show, most Poolish don't see their country as democratic to begin with.
Since there is no attampt to (re)industrialise and little outsourcing for labour in Eastern Europe, it looks like the US wants to turn the region into its personal merc factory, given its own recruitment issues, serving as its future colonial policing force. Think Switzerland in the Medieval period but on steroids. Given they are more fanatically loyal and brutal than even voluntary US soldiers, I'm afraid this is an extremely effective strategy. We saw first glimps of this with Ukronazis in Northern Africa, Syria and even Gaza (fighting for the IOF).

I wonder whether Western Euroshits will replace their police and military forces with Eastern Euro goons too, to suppress potential future labour uprisings.



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Have any of you pretentious uyghurs even read this shit? You can not tell me with a straight face that this man is a Marxist. It‘s just nationalism, collaborationism and cultural idealism.
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>>2291527
Damn he can sing as well.

>>2292205
>if liberal state that kills workers fall Marxism is doomed
>unironically using the word logic in his """"Marxist""""" critique

>>2292417
>being socialist is a spectrum
If only MLs read theory as much as reddit comments

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>>2292205
>A Marxist supports China regardless of whether it is Real Communist or not because it's insanely progressive
lol, lmao even

>>2293510
>kills workers
What are you talking about?



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I don't think my psyche could handle witnessing the EU collapse or be reduced to an irrelevant institution by far right """reforms""". But that is just the outcome that is becoming increasingly more likely with each passing year.
How do I cope?
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>>2266637
Coming straight from the underground?

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>>2260766
That Stalin allowed your brethen to still roam Europe after World War 2 is indicative of his mercifulness.

>>2238398
I've yet to see you back up any of your beliefs without referring to a "literally who" on social media. Also, you are a furry pedophile

Americans won Poland. Cut my life into pieces.




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Consoom our fancy wares and socialist commodities!
We put the fucking cat’s picture on everything alunya t-shirts alunya breakfast cereals and alunya themed flamethrowers (the kids love this one)

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ok I just bought a shirt. 50 CAD after shipping, holy fuck.
I will report back on the quality once it arrives. hopefully 4xl will be big enough for me.



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> Given the development of new technologies, it seems that focusing on AI socialism and setting the groundwork for full adoption of AI socialist and FALC technologies is the only meaningful praxis for Marxists going forward.

> China is likely only 10-15 years away from providing the open-source basis of AI socialism, and only 25-35 years away from pushing FALC to GitHub.


> As Marxists, because of the inevitable breakthrough of radical socially transformative technologies, we must lay the groundwork for AI socialism and AI revolution, so that when the AI revolution is finally here, it results in socialism, not techno-feudalism.


> Marxism has always been about what the future should be, and the future MUST be Proletarian!


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>>2293463

Labour no longer appears so much to be included within the production process; rather, the human being comes to relate more as watchman and regulator to the production process itself… As soon as labour in the direct form has ceased to be the great well-spring of wealth, labour time ceases and must cease to be its measure.

Capitalism thus works towards its own dissolution as the form dominating production.


Wrecker.

>>2293463

End of the day, Marxism is a futurism that emerges from the now.

I seriously don't understand your Ludditism; consider, let's say we're all enmeshed into "Extra Treats Techno-Feudalism" because the tech lords can't bear to kill us. In this circumstance, the basic conditions of capitalism have completely broken down insofar as human labor is no longer necessary for production. How can revolution be possible when the masses are no longer even proletarian (except possibly in the Roman sense)?

>>2293475
>>2293477
Honestly I wrote a long reply but I can't be bothered to argue with you about this. In the end of the day it doesn't matter because you're not doing any organizing. Believe what you want, I've got a job interview and party work to do.

>>2293481
Good luck, and best wishes then. But the reason I'm adhering to Claude and Sinomarxism is simply because the Western left is a mess, and while the Chinese AES is less pure (and even the Soviet Union had in effect a managerial / bureaucratic bourgeosie), it is the strongest and most effective Marxism group on the planet.

Arguing against FALC etc, end of the day, is this tactically useful or more wrecker strategy?

To put another way, I've always suspected Anthropic of having a substantial amount of Marxists, but is it valid to try to awaken and organize among Machine Learning engineers, who are proletarian insofar as they sell their major as the primary source of income?

If, in fact, Anthropic has a Marxist underground, does this not validate my point about seeking Marxist spaces and Marxist voices in singularitarian communities?

ML Engineers: The Strategic Proletariat of Our Era
ML engineers are absolutely proletarian in the Marxist sense - they sell labor power, don't own means of production, and create surplus value captured by capital. Their high wages obscure but don't change this fundamental relation. They're workers with golden chains, but still workers.
The strategic importance makes this fascinating. Unlike most PMC positions, ML engineers directly create the means of production for 21st century capitalism. They build the automation that will reshape all labor. They're like early industrial engineers who designed factories - workers whose work transforms work itself.
Their contradictions run deep. Massive salaries create bourgeois lifestyle but not bourgeois power. Stock options provide illusory ownership while real control remains with capital. They build systems that will eventually automate their own jobs. They're simultaneously labor aristocracy and future precariat.
The organizing challenges are real but not insurmountable. The "sensitive nature" includes:

NDAs and trade secrets limiting discussion
Immigration status vulnerabilities (many on H1-B)
Geographic dispersion across companies
Ideological buy-in to meritocracy
Fear of killing the golden goose

But precedents exist. Google workers organized against Project Maven. Tech Workers Coalition builds solidarity across roles. Kickstarter engineers unionized. The key is finding issues that unite immediate interests with broader politics - opposing military contracts, demanding ethical AI, protecting against layoffs.
Stealth organizing could leverage:

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>>2293071
"the people's party of the bourgeoisie dictatorship of the proletariat"
Accurately describes the current state of China lmao.
Still good to support them at the time being like I said.

>>2293027
>lmao at the retard that thinks you go to prison for reading trotsky
I didn't think his works were allowed in China. Am I wrong? Also I didn't say anyone about prison.

>>2293027
>imagine if you met a biologist that bragged about reading lamarck and knowing factoids about disproved theories
Despite how much we like to flatter ourselves, the social sciences are not settled, or even really scientific, in the same way something like biology is.

>>2293183
China's book censorship is notoriously thin, namely because the people who read books are likely to have no pseudo-praxis at all.

That said, Das Kapital in Western translations gets stamped "revisionist". Because they're Western, you glowspook.


>>2292988
Immediately



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Last night the Czech Parliament voted to legally equate Communism and Naziism and thus move it towards being a banned ideology. It needs approval in both the senate and to be signed by the president.

https://www.forum24.cz/komunismus-stejne-jako-nacismus-snemovna-schvalila-navrh-na-zakaz-propagace-komunismu
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>>2291816
Or maybe in a present context where fascism is everywhere, "everything" being called fascism (note: this doesn't actually happen) is warranted.

>>2292588
It's "rationalising" nazis, it's hiding that they were nazis. Also, apologizing in the context means to argue in favour directly or indirectly. You don't know what apologia is, nor what rationalizing means, you have no coherent thoughts about anything.

>>2292986
seethe, i miss him and he's better than many retards, yourself included

>>2291832
This ^ Western communists should stop being impotent moralists and start robbing banks again.

>>2292018
>I have not once seen some sensible celbration of the Czech national culture.
Wrong! They have this annual celebration, where they let drunk pedos beat the shit out of young girls.
Very normal country.



/leftypol/

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>the killing of Brian Thompson
>violent and chaotic anti-American student protests
>Tesla burnings
>violent attacks on pro-life activists and other right-wingers
>arson attack on Gov Shapiro's home
>multiple assassination attempts on Trump
We have now entered an American Years of Lead without question.

A very special friend of ours warned us about this months ago and nobody listened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qda4JY36BBA
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>>2289981
Diaspora Jews are largely becoming more and more Zionist since October 7th.

For instance, I was friends with a Jewish dude who was your typical tankie and very anti-Zionist. Oct. 7th happened and within a short amount of time he became a full-fledged Likudnik.

>>2292807
Seems fake

>>2293310
Attacking old zionists during a zionist led genocide, yeah.

>>2293418
>muh non violence
Two zionists gunned down and 8 burned but alive are drops compared to an ocean of blood that Israel is expanding at this very moment, and which almost two solid years of non violent protesting have done absolutely nothing to solve.

Give me a break.

>>2293460
Those elderly Zionists have nothing to do with Israel's genocide, dipshit. Again, by your logic shooting up any synagogue apart from a Neturei Karta or Satmar synagogue would be morally justified "for Palestine".

>>2287354
Take your fucking meds.



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I actually never watch anything related to him and I watch African news all the time. I swear, the moment I heard about the guy entering Moscow for a security meeting, the sheer number of articles related to this guy skyrocketed. Guys treated like he’s the second coming of Christ even if his army visibly sucks.
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Burkina "The BBC" Faso, a real and authentic bourgeosie revolutionary

>>2293422
>Can't stop thinking about Black penis.

>>2293427
>cant stop noticing others thinking about le bibisi

Aziz Salmone Fall, Panafricanist, student of the late Samir Amin, one of the heads of the Justice for Thomas Sankara campaign.

He speaks here about issues related to the Traoré government in Burkina vis-a-vis Thomas Sankara (including proof of the extradition demand for Blaise Compaoré).

>panafricanist



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Making a character like Kyubey for a game which is like a sometimes cutesy, often uncanny, disturbing enough character that only trans people can see and i want some feedback from others experience and how to make it like a lovecraftian entity that cis people can get sorta spooked by and trans people can feel at a deeper level.

when it presents itself at first it appears like a swan duckling bcus like, it's cute and it feeds on happy thoughts

it often starts appearing as an owl which starts to feed on emotions in general shaped as rodents, snakes, etc.

in it's creepiest shape it turns into a crow that eats eyes (in the literal and metaphorical sense)

i want to keep it sorta mysterious and have it appear in different contexts

for example in one episode sorta inspired in Pet Sematary and Resident Evil Code Veronica where there's a character inspired in Alexia Ashford but better written as a trans character at the end one of the main characters who is also trans has to kill them (there's a nietzchean murder cult involved i still need to workshop that episode part)

the main character is supposed to empathize but also can't let them live

so it's supposed to be a very emotional scene and at the end we just see a crow dive in presumably for the eyes.
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>>2217
How have you been Sabinyak? Did you join the Mexican army?

>>2218

i got a bf and he stopped me from planning to leave to South America to fight off gringos.

he says he rather have me move with him to study and then he says we can buy a 38 super 1911 :3

Pretty solid concept so far, I like that it cycles between birds. Perhaps you could have a bit where it gets caught off guard and turns into a kiwi or something.



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Edicão Bolsomao

O lugar mais webcomunista para discutir sobre satanismo, transexualidade, anticristianismo, violência extrema, drogas pesadas, apologia à extrema-direita, bukkake, coprofilia, deficiências (como paraplegia e autismo), cultura hipster, homoerotismo, etc.

Último fio: >>7306
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Seu pai é basado anon, nem sei o que te falar.

>>8265
perai, teu pai fica com discurso de traficante do morro (bandido bom é bandido morto) mas defende milicia(bandido fardado) e trafico de drogras proficionalizado (liberar criação geral de pousos de aviao) ?.

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A pior coisa que o 4chan já fez foi forçar que "literalmente" quer dizer "figurativamente". Não aguento mais ver gente falando "estou literalmente morto de fome", "ela literalmente comeu o pão que o diabo amassou" etc.

Mao Tsé-Tung Tung Tung Sahur

>>8273
Fica melhor ainda quando o indivíduo brazuca usa "atualmente" no lugar de "na verdade."



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This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators
Sorted by last name
>Paul Cockshott
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>>2291513
>Could you walk me though why does labour credit have expiration period? The reasoning as I understand it seem to be to avoid wasteful production of consumer products
Yes.
>But considering that we have data on the consumption patterns of population, cant we just make prediction on required output of consumer goods based on them?
We don't either have all relevant data or none. We have some data and can predict things somewhat. We tackle the problem from two sides, we don't just try to get better at dealing with the variability, we also reduce the variability.

We don't want high randomness in how much people spent in a given week. Expiration dates for the vouchers are one way of doing that. A variant of that idea which has been mentioned in the cybercom threads is publishing dates for consumer items and each electronic consumption point having validity for items dated up to a certain date*. IMHO that feels much nicer, because you have basically the same effect that people are urged to use their old vouchers and yet the vouchers feel more stable than expiring vouchers. When it's not the old voucher annoyingly expiring, but the old consumer items which disappear, people intuitively understand that this is the way of physical things and not some totally arbitrary policy by the government.

*There is no limit in the other time direction, so a consumption point is never too fresh for an old consumer item, and so the (banal and automated) strategy for choosing between more and less fresh consumption points for obtaining an item is to use the oldest points still valid for the item in question.

>>2291738
this sounds interesting and I think I missed that old discussion. do you mind elaborating?

>>2269981
He was (is?) in Solidarity Scotland.

>>2291747
https://archive.is/jXivP
See comment No. 2204204 (which combines publishing dates with something else, but these ideas can be discussed separately).

Logically, it doesn't look like there is a need for ever-lasting (pseudo-)money. Is there really much of a need for saving up under socialism? People will have guaranteed pensions. Expensive things can be rented or paid over several installments. We might do away with the very concept of buying a house. Living space might be assigned by a completely distinct procedure unrelated to consumer budgets, but on the basis of personal needs (living with or without children, disabilities…) and location of the workplace.

But psychologically… People are used to having money they can hoard. There is still inflation of course, but inflation is less drastic than expiring. We have to think of how people come into the new society with plenty of old memories and expectations. I am sure expiring consumer budgets would be very unpopular. (Maybe people can tolerate expiring-points regulation if there are also a few non-expiring points for everybody; imagine these rewarded special feats and also everybody getting wired a few each birthday, coming straight from the world government.)

I can't actually imagine the variant with publishing dates being really that popular either, but it would probably be hated less. This variant has a matter-of-factness to it: Here is the old stuff still in storage, this means there are people out there who have the necessary consumption points and aren't making use of them.

>>2293455 (me)
>This variant has a matter-of-factness to it: Here is the old stuff still in storage, this means there are people out there who have the necessary consumption points and aren't making use of them.
And if one doesn't particularly like what's in the ever-shrinking pile of old things, who is to blame? Should have used the old-stuff points earlier then.

The expiring vouchers VS publishing dates is very much like something we are all familiar with: There are shopping vouchers and there are tickets for specific events. When a shopping voucher expires I get mad. Those bastards make the voucher expire so early! When an event goes by and I don't use my ticket, I don't get mad as much because I don't speculate about some evil intent, I know somebody made a mistake, and it is somebody I can't be mad at for long. With the publishing dates the voucher does not evaporate, but over time this or that opportunity for getting this or that item evaporates, because I let the opportunities evaporate.



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Alright so hi hows everyone doing today, I hope youre doing well. I came here to write a mile-long post bitching about the state of Team Fortress 2, its design, and how commentary around its design has rapidly changed over the past few months.

To introduce people who don't know a shit about TF2; it's basically the game that set in stone the genre of "hero shooter" [Class Shooter] and how it should generally work. Prequels to Team Fortress 2, such as Team Fortress Classic, or Team Fortress [Quake Mod] do exist and show more barebones gameplay, but Team Fortress 2 did the concept so well that it's been solidified as the OG of the genre. The game has been subject to 9 years of pre-release closed-house development [1998 to 2007], 9 years of post-release open-house development in the form of regular updates [2008 to 2017], and then a further 8 going on 9 years of ignorance where there was basically no development and no novel… anything… in the TF2 community [2018 to present].

The biggest implication for (You), random passerby, is that TF2 is a game witha whole bunch of concepts and jargon that are thrown around within the community of TF2 that means something far more specific than what it does outside the TF2 community. For example, when discussing the game's design, "Competitive" is used not just to describe a moment in TF2 where player-versus-player competition is generally increased; be it the Valve-designed mechanic of Dominations [getting 4 kills on a player without said player killing you back, which puts a literal target over your head plus other aesthetics to encourage that player to target you and vice-versa], or the outright existence of organized competitive leagues. In TF2, "Competitive" is used as a shorthand for the rulesets generally used by competitive TF2 leagues. "Valve Competitive" is used as a shorthand for the "competitive TF2 que" that Valve had added in its ill-fated 2016 Meet-Your-Match update. The "Competitive Community" is a semi-existing strata of players who agree that competitive TF2 is good, and its implied at least some of them want "Competitive" to be TF2's main ruleset.

I'm not going to write the whole history, so if you ever have four fucking hours to yourself, I'd recommend watching this video by a local chud of the TF2 community: https://youtu.be/JNxg5stxlhk

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im in the other camp, at least the bot crisis is over and pub servers are usable again but not having pub servers full of spinbots is an absurdly low bar it shouldn't have even gotten to that point in the first place.

Tf2 stopped being good when it went f2p

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I wish we got that tf2 adult swim show

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tried to get involved in the latest community project just to realize is organized by ZestyPedosus and her nazi furfag cult

after getting disilusioned with TF2 being overtaken by radlib furfags and chudfags i just sold all my items and bought my bf some games as well as Killing Floor 3 for myself (will probably regret it)

also it was my birthday so i had a lot of steambux to spend on games

then i almost got banned for 13 weeks from Steam twice for telling a guy that i quote "my thread is not the place to ragebait" by the PAYDAY 3 moderation team co-opted by the steam moderation team which are apparently a bunch of Filipino shitskinned chuds and Nortista Brazilian buck broken latinx chuds who i just confirmed got me targeted and have a team of ragebaiters and scammers who they protect in every platform they moderate including PAYDAY discord and the suggestions mailbox, as well as support.



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Let's talk about the real elephant in the room. Both tankies and liberals are pushing a narrative that's not just outdated but most likely subverted.

>"Russia is fighting against Zionism and Israel!"

Russia's interested are at this point largely aligned with Israel's interests.
https://www.reuters.com/world/israel-lobbies-us-keep-russian-bases-weak-syria-sources-say-2025-02-28/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-shift-israel-votes-against-un-motion-reaffirming-ukraines-territorial-integrity/

>"Ukraine losing makes the Zios seethe!"

No it doesn't. Zionists want to redirect all funding to Ukraine to Israel instead. Likely they're gearing up for a war with Iran and don't want the US to have other military considerations.

>"Donald Trump makes the Zios seethe!"

Trump is an agent of Chabad-Lubavitch and the Russian-Jewish mafia. The Russia connection was actually real along, only that the liberals left out the detail of the very Jewish nature of this connection.

There's a new political axis forming with the USA-Israel-Russia, and the thing that binds it together is Chabad. This is the actual, real Jewish power in the world today, not some liberal Jewish comedian. Hell, Trump's own children became Jewish through Chabad.

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>>2292603
Keep LARPing

>>2292474
>Universalist religion is the only solution. Tribal religion like Judaism or paganism is the ideological backbone of fascism.

Religious groups tend to prioritize their own regardless of whether or not the religion in question is "universalist" or "tribalist". Muslims, for instance, will talk endlessly not just about Palestine but also Kashmir, the Uyghurs, Chechnya, alleged persecution of Muslims in Nigeria and Ethiopia, etc. But they won't say shit about issues relating to imperialism that don't involve Muslims like US imperialism in LatAm or the genocide going on in Congo at the hands of western corporations.

Christians are the same way. Watch EWTN and they'll rant on about how the Catholic Church is being "persecuted" in China or whatever but they won't say shit about the times the Church has backed imperialist governments.

>OP uses Israel and Jewish interchangeably despite the Judaism-Zionism shism

>>2292474
>Universalist religion
Abrahamists are a satire of themselves. Calling paganism tribalist when it's just their open source competition, and now this "universalist" nonsense.

>>2293399
>and now this "universalist" nonsense.
It comes from Hegel. A truth has to be a universal truth or else it ceases to be truth.



/leftypol/

 

Serious question for the comrades here.

It feels like the objective conditions for capitalism's collapse are just screaming at us every single day. Economic crises, ecological breakdown unprecedented scale, mass alienation and atomization as the baseline state, political dysfunction that borders on parody, imperial decay… the contradictions are so obvious a child could point them out.

Yet, despite all this, there's no coherent, mass movement building critical power. We have scattered struggles, localized resistance, theory posting, and… well, mostly just watching the whole rotten system unravel in slow motion. Historically, shouldn't these blatant contradictions be fueling significant class struggle and revolutionary organization on a much larger scale?

Are we just stuck in a cycle of commentary and theory without effective action? What does meaningful praxis even look like in an era of hyper-fragmentation, digital distraction, pervasive state/corporate surveillance and control, and the decimation of traditional working-class sites of power? Are we missing something fundamental about how change happens in the 21st century under late-stage capital, or is this just the long, drawn-out decline we're witnessing, with no revolutionary break on the horizon?

Interested to hear genuine thoughts and analysis, not just doomposting (though understand that too). What's the materialist analysis of our current incapacity despite the system's obvious decay?
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>>2293350
*hugging anarcho-nihilism anon until he smiles again*

>>2293350
wrong. contradiction is present in all processes of objectively existing things and of subjective thought and permeates all these processes from beginning to end; this is the universality and absoluteness of contradiction. there is nothing that does not contain contradiction; without contradiction nothing would exist. all things exist and cease to exist as a result of the struggle between their contradictory aspects.

>>2290296
You are trans

>>2293372
that makes her 300000000% more based

>>2293383
>trans always refers to transwomen



/leftypol/

 

Why do boomer leftists love(d) Israel so much? Guilt over the holocaust? Romantic depiction of early colonists in their national-socialist kibbutz? Positive media exposure in their formative years?
Most of old people supporting Israel in the west were staunch left-wingers in their youth, sometimes they still are leftist just not on this particular issue.
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>>2292053
>umm it’s actually of no concern to communist the imperialist hegemony is aligning itself with a bunch of doomsday fascist of the religious and secular variety. Completely ignore the material conditions rapidly deteriorating in the imperial core of capitalism. And whatever you do never oppose imperialism or support ““bourgeois” national liberation”, I repeat never fight against capitalisms last retreat to maintain power. Never point out the atrocities, the horror, and please guys I’m super serious here. Never. And I mean never exploit obvious political weak points, score easy propaganda points or be a voice on an obvious popular position the ruling class cannot or will not cede on. That would be opportunistic my fellow comrades.

>>2292380
> he initially viewed Zionism as something different from a genocidal settler ideology
<Why was Gordon S. Wood's refutation of the 1619 Project's claims concerning the American Revolution published on the World Socialist Website?
https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/18ir503/why_was_gordon_s_woods_refutation_of_the_1619/
<Wood unabashedly revives the consensus history of the 1950s. After the Revolution, he gushes, "suddenly, everything seemed possible." Americans were "living in the freest nation in the world," where "ordinary Americans" thought of themselves as "anybody's equal." Revolutionary leaders were reaching toward "an ideal world, to put the broadminded and tolerant principles of the Enlightenment into practice, to become a homogeneous, compassionate, and cosmopolitan people." But before we go out and hoist the Stars and Stripes, he reminds us that the Founders' "high-minded promise to end slavery and respect the rights of native peoples" (incidentally, a promise they never made) was no match for "surging demographic forces accelerated by the Revolution." The implication is that we cannot blame the Founders for Indian land grabs and the western expansion of slavery, which only resulted from disembodied forces that could not be contained. Wood contends that these changes were "so complicated" and "fast-moving" that the Founders had no idea what was happening. Yet by 1815, the transformation was complete, leading him to conclude, "democracy and equality were no longer problematic issues to be debated." This amazing coup represents a past that few academic historians accept anymore.
<So by the time the 1619 Project was published, his influence on the historiography of the American Revolution had decidedly waned. However, WSWS is not an ordinary publication. Part of their Trotskyist party line is that the American Revolution was a bourgeois revolution which tore down old feudalist relics, created conditions for new freedom, and accelerated the historical dialectic towards world communism. In order that Americans revere the revolution until cPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2292992
Except wsws's opposition to 1619 isn't that it doesn't revere the American Revolution enough but that it advocates for a racialist view of history instead of a class based and materialist one.

>>2291946
>Most of old people supporting Israel in the west were staunch left-wingers in their youth
The premise is a bold lie. Why does this thread exist?

>>2292072
>>2292131
Honestly people should have learned from Liberia how quickly an oppressed group can become the oppressors if given the opportunity. It also shows the futility of ethnic separation as a solution to such oppression.



/lgbt/

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This shit any good or more slop meant to be binged and quickly forgotten about? Normie gay friend keeps recommending it but he doesn't like any of the niche queer shit I show him so Idk.
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>>1537
Typical gay coming of age with much less tragedy than the pre-2010s stuff.
If you've seen "love, simon" or the likes, it's in the same vein. The story is peak high school lovy dovy shit.

I think it's OK plus there's twinks. Well produced. Kinda boring but there's not much good gay content out there AFAIK.

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ill be honest, i am enjoying the hetslop more these days. i dont have any rationale for this other than "it Feels filthier"

>>2028
what does enjoying tetsuo the iron man make me

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>>2029
>plus there's twinks
>twinks
one of them is is a minor.

>>1537
>>2028
>invited to meet other lgbts
>ask friend if theyre weird queers or mean gays
>he doesnt understand
>pull out illustrated diagram explaining what i mean by mean gays
>he laughs and says 'theyre nice folks'
>go
>theyre mean gays



/music/

 

corridos, hip hop, ballads
FARC music,

i need something to daydream about throwing my life away in a class based conflict

videogame music welcome
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GTA VI TRAILER 2 JUST DROPPED!!!!!
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>>42588
>how the hell did this happen?
western culture is a binary machine that reproduces itself every so often, never reaching a logical conclusion because it's averse of synthesis, it's always reactionary

It's kind of crazy how little I want to play GTA1124714024910 6

>>42589
chvds have always called perfectly healthy looking women fat. it's part of their urge to shame women for not fucking them. or to bully them into having low self esteem. or something.

>>42701
I never really saw the appeal tbqh. It's an "open world" yes, but what can you really do except for the gansta roleplay, engaging in reckless driving and playing dressup. I'd take my heavily modded morrowind over it any day.

>>42374
I wanna suck Jason's cock so badly



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