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How do enterprise software companies charge so much for their products when there are FOSS alternatives for them? It makes sense for applications used by end-users but I don't know why network firewalls, private DNS servers, proxies, VPNs, API gateways, linux distros, server monitoring tools and RDBMS systems need to be paid for. Do they provide a benefit that goes above and beyond their FOSS alternatives?

Palo Alto Networks' recent growth got me thinking about this. What do they do that their competitors or many other FOSS tools don't? I've also noticed that the prevalence of proprietary slop is much lower in development/devops than it is in cybersecurity and network administration. Maybe it's just my soydev bias talking, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Small correction: RDBMS, not RDBMS systems. Made a little mistake right there.

>>27073
corporate development is 50/50, devops is solid proprietary territory. consumer software development and webdev is for the most part some shade of f/oss

"no one ever got fired for buying ibm" the corporate structure isn't really good at managing software, but most companies are nonetheless profitable enough they can afford the expensive inefficiency that is corporate software

as a side note, it isn't a dichotomy, many big open source projects are also overpriced enterprise products either through a license scheme or by allocating developer time and support based on donations. enterprise java and c# libraries follow this patter for example

>>27075
>devops is solid proprietary territory
I'm not a devops engineer, but I have some experience with deploying software to production. I personally have never used a proprietary tool for monitoring, build automation and testing. Of course, I happen to be an outlier and almost all major cloud providers have their own proprietary version of every major open source software.

Also, do corporations not have any privacy concerns when they give such granular access to their data to other corporate entities? It's one thing to use cloud providers because on-prem systems are not always feasible, and another thing to have your entire office suite on Microsoft. At least simple things like these ought to be self-hosted.

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>>27075
I do wounder why nobody got fired for buying IBM but the same meme didn't apply to AT&T. With AT&T selling Unix workstations and servers while having had unlimited DoD funding along with running all of USs telecommunications. Yet somehow American enterprises in the 1980s saw IBM as the 800 lb gorilla and not AT&T.

>>27073
Because buying services always wins out when bean counters and clueless MBAs want a solution to be:
>'fast'
>'cheap'
>'reliable'
In the grand scheme of things 'IT' is a giant scam.



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Has the FSF or any adjacent organizations or companies tried to bankroll some hardware again? It mostly seems like some amount was thrown at the Lemote Yeeloong MIPS laptops, but also that they were only publicly sold for one or two years in 2011. Same thing with semi-endorsing the BeagleBone Black, but the SBC space has developed further since 2013 for better and worse. Imagine a RISC-V board flashed with Libre/Coreboot or OpenFirmware, that starts up an install of Guix or Trisquel. Or (switching from personal computers,) even that a "dumb" monochromatic laser printer that doesn't require deblobbing the firmware like Pine64's soldering iron.

>>27066
longsoon or something like that. you have to look at china for this stuff, many manufacturers don't even have wikipedia entries

the sun of libre computation rises in the East

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>>27067
>Loongson
That's what the Lemote MIPS chip was designed by, yes. For better or worse, it seems like Loongson continued on by separating away from MIPS and spinning off into their own 'LoongArch' thing. I know a non-mainland chinese poster that gets huffy because RISC-V "stole" from MIPS, even though most of the RISC architectures are connected. Also that the MIPS architecture technically still exists as being stewarded by Ingenic and/or Imagination. Pic related.

Allegedly one can still buy a Loongson computer and/or an Ingenic SBC, but you have to directly contact the company themselves as it seems to have been relegated to state contractor purgatory in the same way that half the Chinese-developed Linux distros and limited run RISC-V SBCs and Jolla (for Finland or Russia, don't know specifics) are also in.

There's also the EOMA68's successor in libreSOC, but that seems to have fallen into a mess of nerd sniping from switching architectures, designing an open hardware GPU, turning that into an experimental vector processor, and switching the description language, and attempting to get volunteer work from college students.

>>27071
no, I'm pretty sure they sell consumer products that you can buy that use their latest risc-v/loongarch machines. and they are not the only ones



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i recently came to possess a printed out slide deck detailing an nsa collection program against telegram. i got it very accidentally, i live in a building with many national security-types and found the printout in the trash area. sounds crazy, not sure who's it was or why they took it out of a secure facility, but weirder things have happened. in a past life i used to work in government and even held a security clearance at times, and the program seems plausible to me. not going to post the slides themselves, don't want anyone to get in trouble, but i have no problem summarizing.

* the nsa collection program is called JUICYSTUFF. sometimes abbreviated JUST or JUST*. the program has buckets for different targets. JUSTRUMORS = russia, JUSTCHAOS = china, JUSTDISORDER = north korea, JUSTINSIGHT = iran, JUSTHAVOC = violent extremist organizations, JUSTMIRE = rest of world, JUSTSILENCE = telegram bots, etc.

* the program primarily uses two technical tools, TEMPTINGBAKE, sometimes abbreviated TEBA, and HUNTINGGLASS. both work by spoofing target users when interacting with telegram servers.

* TEMPTINGBAKE is the more sophisticated tool. given a telegram user id, it can collect the user's contact list, messages and media. it can only collect content accessible and readable on telegram servers so not things like secret chats. because its so sensitive nsa limits it to a few hundred targets per day. there are thousands of targeted users on TEMPTINGBAKE collection so most are collected every several weeks.

* HUNTINGGLASS requires a user id and additional telegram key information associated with the target user. nsa can usually provide this from other data holdings. it collects the same information as TEMPTINGBAKE.

* total telegram users targeted is in the 10s of thousands. tasking users is managed by an internal nsa jira instance. the target management aspect of the collection program is called JUDICIOUSHARVEST.

* nsa runs the program for the whole us intelligence community and the five eyes.

fair to have some skepticism about this, would love to see if any anons have heard of this program (i hadn't) or have ideas for figuring out accuracy. i hope the fact that this was printed means someone else out there with more knowledge is trying to get the word out. there's too much organizing that unfortunately happens on telegram not more secure methods imo, so i consider this as a warning. maybe telegram even tacPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>27050
Have you seen what Snowden's slides looked like? They can easily be faked, they're not that interesting. The only way to verify OP is through doxing OP, and that's dumb to want.

>27051
And yet, you only know about the veracity of the Snowden leaks because of journalists.
Sure they work for corporate overlords with all the auto-censoring that comes with it, yet what I said is still true. Maybe you're not old enough to remember the hundreds of leak about the 5 eyes program that only a few believed to be true a few decades ago. They chose to believe them without any proof, they were right in the end but that doesn't make it very smart to believe everything posted on the Internet, it's on the same level as believing any other unsourced conspiracy theory.

>27052

>Have you seen what Snowden's slides looked like? They can easily be faked, they're not that interesting. The only way to verify OP is through doxing OP, and that's dumb to want.
And that's why we need journalists, people paid to work hours to verify the authenticity of them lmao.
Do you really think they received the slides and decided to post them straight away? No. It took 3 weeks for the first article to be posted, and they were halfway into his trove 6 months later. Because they searched for sources, analyzed metadata and discussed with Snowden in order to, at least, verify some info were real.
There's dozen of uni papers about the challenge of verifying those leaks, which goes into more details.

>The only way to verify OP is through doxing OP, and that's dumb to want

No. Most whistleblowers don't get prosecuted, we only focus on Snowden, Winner and Assange because they leaked massive troves and did mistakes, turning them into martyrs in some ways. Medias did not know how to properly leak & verify their leak at the time and some did mistakes, like sharing slides with hidden watermarks directly with the NSA and exposing their source. But by now they have developed guidelines to not make the same mistakes and assume everything is watermarket or contains small typos to detect the source of the leak.



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>>27054
>it's on the same level as believing any other unsourced conspiracy theory
Only if you lack nous

>>27050
Just put it up anonymously. If what ypu are saying isvtrue your post has already been flagged for posting all the names of their programs in your post. You know they have web crawlers too right?

>>27056
Good thing he's only LARPing



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Mozilla is removing dozens of about:config settings in every firefox update. At this rate, about:config will be completely empty in no time
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1773039
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>>26920
>The only build system I know which isn't terrible is cargo
cmake gets hate, but I don't understand why. scons is an abomination.

Just use XMake if you can

>>27021
Every Makefile or ninja recipe generated by cmake ties back into other cmake binaries or scripts. I have often had these builds fail in mysterious ways and with no discernable point where to start debugging. Then there is the compiler flag handling, which doesn't automatically pick up on your environment variables and can't be completely overridden at the configure or build stages, making static linking impossible in most cases.

Why are you bitching about build systems in the Firefox FUD thread?

>>26920
>cargo
How does cargo actually handle dynamic dependencies and config.h-style compile-time options? As far as i remember the build recipe was a literal markup file.
>>27023
For a second i thought you meant a discontinued make preprocessor previously used by X.org, but that's imake.
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In 2024 reddit will introduce heavenbanning, the hypothetical practice of banishing a user from a platform by causing everyone that they speak with to be replaced by AI models that constantly agree and praise them, but only from their own perspective, is entirely feasible with the current state of AI/LLMs.
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it's too much work, involves too much server load and it's too expensive to implement per banned user.

>>23371
its not real

Why it called 🟥reddit if 🟧orange?
It should called 🟧orangedit.

>>26990
tbf it should be called retardit

>>27019
Epic pwnage ngl



 

Do you use or have any opinions on for lack of a better term collaborative version control hosting websites? As non-registered user there seems to be constant issues with github search, excessive slow-downs, and of course there are concerns with over-centralization. However it seems to be one of the best places for marketing projects to others. Here are some collaborative version control hosts am aware of:

- Github: https://github.com
- Gitlab: https://gitlab.com
- Gitea: https://gitea.com
- Gogs: https://gogs.io
- Bitbucket: https://www.atlassian.com/software/bitbucket
- SourceHut: https://sourcehut.org

Some of these require self-hosting, or a paid service neither of which is my preference. Looking forward to hearing your responses.
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>>26960
it depends. do you have an idle server, a domain, and time to maintain your instance? if not, codeberg seems like a good enough option

>>26961
Fair enough.

cgit and let people send you patches in private by email

>>26958
We have the same use-case. Thank you for sharing your experiences, I'll make use of them.

>>26957
git is supposed to be decentralized
centralizing it is basically contrary to its design
just host your repos on ssh and maybe have a repo browser on your own domain (costs less than your nettofurikusu and other consooomer subscriptions), simple as.



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you wake up and start checking out whats happening in the world right now: a bunch of big global events are going down that you cant really change. when you try to voice your disagreement about whats happening, youre told to shut up.

after that, you hop on a job recruitment website and throw in an application for a potential gig. but theres a good chance you wont get a formal rejection notice; and if you do, it probably wont explain why you werent picked compared to someone else. this lack of info leaves you wondering if the outcome was because of something you did or didnt do. after all, the flaw cant be systemic.

next, you check out an online dating app looking for some romantic connections.if youre a guy, youre probably sending out a bunch of messages, but youre not getting any replies. this leaves you wondering if you need to jazz up your profile or improve your messages, even though the reason for the radio silence isnt clear. after all, the flaw cant be with the app, just look at its popularity! its possible that your efforts just arent being noticed. on the flip side, if youre a woman, you might be flooded with messages, many of which are just plain inappropriate, misogynistic or objectifying. this unwanted attention stems from your gender, and no matter what you do on the app, you have to deal with it.

when you go to the grocery store to pick up some food, youre bummed to find out that a product you always buy is suddenly gone, and no ones explaining why. on top of that, items that used to be reasonably priced have shot up in cost. meanwhile, youre hearing reassurances about how strong "our" economy is. all of this happens without anyone asking for your opinions or giving you a heads up; its just presented as something you have to deal with, usually framed as being for your own good.

trying to use proprietary software for work, you find out its had a major update that changes a lot of the features you relied on. they say the updates are meant to make it better, and they want you to get used to the changes.

youre informed about an upcoming election, which happens every four years or so and is filled with claims about how important your vote and opinions are. youre assured that this election is super crucial, even the most important one in history, just like they said last time. even though the overall story suggests you cant really influence the bigger system, youre still expected to take part in decidingPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>26734
Why /tech/? Seems a resonably good post for /leftypol/

>>26932
heard back, it was a rejection.

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>>26943
Hassle them and ask why?

>>26965
This sort of spreading of illness is the reasons don't really like imageboards as they exist.

>>26966
Got some contract work through nepotism; going to be doing that instead. Assume the reject was because of over- and mis- qualification. It was in a different domain, but should have still qualified.



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Indiana Jones video game coming out soon. Think it will compete with skyrim?

the real question is if it'll be better than picrel

>>26954
>soyjak with shirt that says "i heart ubislop set in james cameron movies"



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https://lwn.net/Articles/995186/
>Linus Torvalds and Greg Kroah-Hartman attempt to quietly remove several Russian developers from linux maintainership
>Linus goes on a racist ahistorical rant on the lkml
https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=whNGNVnYHHSXUAsWds_MoZ-iEgRMQMxZZ0z-jY4uHT+Gg@mail.gmail.com/
>Finland-Swede not beating the Nazi allegations
>someone calls it out
https://lore.kernel.org/all/[email protected]/
>Linus doubles down, implies his critics are paid actors
https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=wjw0i-95S_3Wgk+rGu0TUs8r1jVyBv0L8qfsz+TJR8XTQ@mail.gmail.com/
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>>26827
>My spirit will rise from the grave and the world will see i was right.

Vishnu OS when?

Behead Finlandssvenskar

>>26892
When you code it. It's fun to make an OS, teaches you a lot. Way easier and funnier in a team

>>26898
>When you code it. It's fun to make an OS, teaches you a lot.
Wouldn't mind trying to make an ANSI forth subset one day.



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I need a good portable music player, so I don't rely on my phone for audio. I already have a quad-driver IEM, hence a good one with a good card is necessary. I will definitely buy it used, so make sure it's affordable and under 100 Euros. For products over 100 Euros that are worth it please mention why.

>>26821
i use picrel. it has a micro sd slot, two days of battery live and immaculate sound quality. it only supports mp3 and flac though, not vorbis or opus. i think it's like $50/40 euros.

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Folks used to like Rockbox (https://www.rockbox.org/), runs on a variety of players.



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