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 No.7968[Reply]

Stanford University is marking the 75th anniversary of the International Military Tribunal of Nuremberg with a significant expansion of records from the historic trial.

/pol/ tards of course expect they will find some juicy new proofs for le jewerinos making shit up.

Stanford:
https://news.stanford.edu/2021/09/30/stanford-scholars-expand-digital-database-historic-records-nuremberg-trial/
Complete archive:
https://poa.st/nur.tar.gz
Direct download:
http://gofile.me/6POk4/5hmHD9un5

 No.8141

Is there something interesting interesting in these archives?

 No.8147

It's all the transcripts and evidence materials. A lot is in German

 No.8434

not sure if this video uses this exact new cache of evidence in its sources but I feel it belongs here either way
ECONOMY OF NAZI GERMANY - KRUPP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyJTv_qLqsI



 No.776[Reply]

ITT we post links and pdfs to critical or constructive takes on Cockshott and cybersocialism, as well as works or authors who wrote in the fields of cybernetics, systems theory, or operational research in general.

>>>/leftypol/438911

>>>/leftypol/438923
>>701
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 No.5500

>>5498
The theories of logic of Godel and Wittgenstein.

 No.6026

>muh science

 No.8404

CyberSoc thread rise up!

 No.8405

Could cybernetics be a useful way to convert techbros to communism? STEMlords tend to be pretty technocracy-minded. Rationally planning the economy with computers might be a good bridge for them similar to how nazbol could be a bridge for rightoids.

 No.8406

>>8405
Definitely, Cybersyn'd probably get them hyped.



 No.90[Reply]

This will be a thread for posting and sharing Documentaries about history as a whole.
I was sitting around watching Step back and I realized it has been a while since I have seen any of those old BBC like documentaries about historical figures.

Doesn't have to be older though. If you have any Youtube links or torrents to look up post them here. Thanks anons.
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 No.4379

I found this on youtube regarding the Internationale, short but really good.

The bit with the Communard in the USSR is amazing, never knew they lived that long but it makes sense, only 46 years.

Also love the bit with the different communist leaders in the 1930s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKq5UN9sjqU

 No.4392

A good overall documentary on the History of Neoliberalism


https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLATIVW2S3zKMbVlnAHAPR0sHZisHJl4fd

 No.6967

If anyone hasn't yet seen/recommended it yet.

Star Media's Second World War: Eastern Front is an excellent breakdown of the Soviet war effort.

 No.6970

>>4185
Isn't CaspianReport some warhawk neolib? What makes him so right with this one?

 No.8306

The Discovery Timeline series is professionally narrated and formulated but quite biased and the sources are basic fucking US propaganda and shit especially in regards to the USSR (embed example)



 No.3570[Reply]

https://anarchism.pageabode.com/anarcho/review-poverty-philosophy-karl-marx
This article claims that Marx's "Poverty of Philosophy" is just a slanderous book that has nothing to do with Proudhon's real theories.

Marx doesn't properly quote Proudhon or openly strawmans him. His claims about Proudhon being bad economist in the begining of the book sound laughable since Proudhon was respected economist in his time.

>Comparing Marx’s “reply” to what Proudhon actually wrote, it is hard to take the former seriously. Once the various distortions and inventions are corrected, little remains. Proudhon was right to suggest Marx’s work was “a tissue of crudities, slanders, falsifications, and plagiarism.” (Correspondance [Paris: Lacroix, 1875] II: 267-8) Worse, Marx himself twenty years later embraces in Capital most of the positions he attacks Proudhon for holding in 1847.


>The dishonesty of The Poverty of Philosophy has distorted our view of Proudhon’s ideas and the time is long overdue for a revaluation of Proudhon and his contributions to anarchism and the wider socialist movement. This does not mean that Marx does not, occasionally, presents a valid point – most obviously, Proudhon’s opposition to strikes was wrong as subsequent anarchists recognised – it is just that these are frustratingly few in the midst of so much distortion. So, yes, Proudhon’s mutualism – a form of market socialism based on worker-run co-operatives – does need to be critiqued but Marx’s book is simply not that work.


are there any counter arguments to this?
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 No.8139

>>8137
Don't bump a thread if you have nothing to contribute.

 No.8148

>>3688
Soviets are direct democracy, idiot.

 No.8149

Critique of market socialism is important, but a lot of Marxists erroneously believe that because Proudhon thought markets could work that all anarchists also believe that.

Similar situation for the response of Marxists to other anarchists. There's rarely any actual engagement with the criticism. It seems Marxists are at times more interested in "winning the argument" in terms of public opinion rather than arriving at correct answers. Not to get too Great Man about this but it does seem to be a bit of a habit that was legitimized by Marx and picked up from him by his followers. He was malding pretty hard over people like Bakunin and Stirner in particular and was ultimately more influenced by his critics than he would ever dare admit. In the long run it's really just harmful to be this way and be unwilling to deal with theoretical criticism because it gets in the way of improving the movement in the future.

 No.8290

>>8149
>He was malding pretty hard over people like Bakunin and Stirner
Probably true, though i personally i have not enough knowledge on Marx vs anarchist polemic to really talk about it.

However, i think it is worth pointing out that. despite what people like >>3577 say, Marx did in fact have an important influence on Bakunin and didn't just straw man him:
>As far as learning was concerned, Marx was, and still is, incomparably more advanced than I. I knew nothing at that time of political economy, I had not yet rid myself of my metaphysical observations… He called me a sentimental idealist and he was right; I called him a vain man, perfidious and crafty, and I also was right.

Also as sidenote, did Bakunin ever told Marx to literally go fuck himself? I remember seeing a quote like that some 4/5 years being attributed to him and thought it was pretty funny at the time.

 No.8291

>>8290
Well yeah Bakunin and most anarchists today (who aren't just liberal larpers) do agree with Marx's critique of capitalism at least in a broad sense. Marx is essential. It's just that he would sometimes make poor criticisms (usually when the people he was criticizing made a good point against him). Most of his criticisms are extremely on point though, including some of anarchists.

IDK about that quote but that sounds funny.



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 No.8150[Reply]

Please does anybody have a pdf file of 20 interviews by joshua citarella? or at least a link to one? I have tried looking for it everywhere but couldnt find it.thanx a lot


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 No.8093[Reply]

Anyone know any good books for reading up on the history of the RSR/RPR? Pretty much every book I've been able to find have been Ceaușescu screeds written by devout anticommunists, which for the most part don't discuss the earlier history of PCR
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 No.8108

File: 1634246702752-0.pdf (30.33 MB, 193x300, bachman1989.pdf)

File: 1634246702752-1.pdf (11.72 MB, 213x300, crowther1988.pdf)


 No.8109

File: 1634247117494.pdf (20.72 MB, 425x300, Rumanian Summer.pdf)


 No.8110


 No.8116

>>8108
>William Crowther is a professor of the Department of Political Science. He received his Ph.D. from The University of California at Los Angeles in 1986. He is the author of numerous publications on post-communist and communist politics, and ethnic conflict. His publications includeCommittees in the New Democratic Parliaments of Central Europe, with David Olson, (Columbus, Ohio: The Ohio State University Press, 2003), and The Political Economy of Romanian Socialism, (New York: Praeger, 1988). Much of his work focuses on Moldova and Romania. He has served as a consultant on democratization for governmental and non-governmental organizations, and for the past two years he authored the Freedom House Nation’s in Transit Reports on Moldova. Professor Crowther teaches in the areas of general comparative politics, Russian and Central European politics and ethnic conflict

 No.8119

Thank you anons, these help a lot.
Previously all I had been able to read had been Hoxha's short passage about visiting Romania and talking to Dej about the state of socialist transition in the first 5 or so years of RPR, for anyone interested it starts at page 260 of the pdf:http://www.bannedthought.net/Albania/Hoxha/TheTitoites-EnverHoxha-1982.pdf



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 No.7513[Reply]

Hello /edu/.

I am trying to understand American political economy, the history of it, how that created the present structure, and what the present class structure and relations are.

Can anyone suggest some good Marxist books that will help? Pic related.
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 No.8053

>>7971
It is the same for any empire. Rome had to constantly expand and when it stoppe, shit hit the fan. USA had to constantly expand, first through the North American continent and later by imperialist and neo-impearialist means through the world.

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 No.8103

>>8053
>Rome had to constantly expand and when it stoppe, shit hit the fan
Nope, quite the opposite. Roma met its doom because it overstretched the potential of its slave-based economy while american capitalism actually needs to open a new frontier to survive

 No.8104

>>8103
>american capitalism actually needs to open a new frontier to survive
Is that why they're chomping at the bit to start WW3? watching the US destroy China while simultaneously pumping up the rate of profit would be too big of a blackpill for me

 No.8111

>>8104
>The United States Innovation and Competition Act of 2021 (USICA), formerly known as the Endless Frontier Act, is United States legislation sponsored by Senators Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Todd Young (R-IN) authorizing $110 billion for basic and advanced technology research over a five year period. Investment in basic and advanced research, commercialization, and education and training programs in artificial intelligence, semiconductors, quantum computing, advanced communications, biotechnology and advanced energy, amounts to $100 billion. Over $10 billion was authorized for appropriation to designate ten regional technology hubs and create a supply chain crisis-response program.[1] The act is aimed at competing with China[2] and to respond to US fears of an AI Cold War.[3]
>*Endless Frontier Act*



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 No.7980[Reply]

Hey leftypol! Would anyone be interested in joining a reading group for Capital Volume 2? Because us over at the /read/ group are gonna do that and we'd like to have it as open as possible, so we're inviting you to join.

For context, we've been running this collective of reading groups on >>/edu/5912 for around a year now, and we're finally ready to tackle the second volume of Capital, after successfully getting through the first one earlier this year.

Currently our system is to have weekly meetings over Matrix, on Sundays at 10 PM UTC. However we are willing to change that schedule depending on the availability of any new members.

Anyways, if you are interested, join our main Matrix chats:
Matrix Community (if you still use those): https://matrix.to/#/+leftyread:matrix.org
Matrix Space: https://matrix.to/#/#leftyreadmain:matrix.org
Join the Main chat for general discussion, and the /kritik/ chat for the Capital group.

Come /read/ with us!
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 No.8042

>>8040
congrats you killed a thread

 No.8097


 No.8663

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trying to read Capital in English

Aveling/Untermann strips away almost all of the original language, Fowkes does the same but only to a slightly lesser degree
why are anglo translators like this?

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what's more, all of the underground translation efforts I've seen have just been for completely irrelevant schizo ML shit
it's maddening
i'm gonna do something about it one day



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 No.4666[Reply]

and how do they plan on deprecating money itself? I know labor vouchers is usually the system that’s brought up but it doesn’t seem like Marx himself was thrilled about it, he just said it could be temporarily used in a workers’ state. I don’t understand how he planned on deprecating it afterwards. Cockshott expanded upon this by adding that they could be digital so that people wouldn’t be able to trade with them. but how does the act of trading currency inherently promote labor alienation? I understand how under private property it does, but in a collectively owned means of production I don’t see why it’s a problem, or why it’s any better than the currency system of the Soviet Union.
tl;dr why do orthodox Marxists believe no banknotes at all > labor vouchers > money?
pic unrelated.
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 No.6256

>>5566
Pokemon card are shared and passed around.

 No.8060

>>4666
All communists want to eventually abolish money. If money isn't abolished, it's not communism yet.

 No.8076

>>5566
>So there will be no more trading collectable card games in communism?
"Trading" is capitalist degeneracy and anyone found in possession of a scale will go to re-education camps.

 No.8077

Money is how capitalists express their power, we don't like being dominated by capitalism, so naturally we want to change the system that can be used to dominate us, into one where this possibility does not exist.

Labor vouchers are created when workers perform work, and are destroyed when the workers receive the fruits of their labor, that makes workers the beginning and the end of the transactional token. This is how the proletariat expresses systemic power.

 No.8081

From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.

Why do we need money?



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 No.190[Reply]

Dark edition.
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 No.6961

>>193
Someone explain pic 2, the graphics are too small for me to discern the joke besides the "upgrade - go back" joke

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 No.7503

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 No.7978

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>be me,pre-revolutionary France
>work as a cook in the royal halls of Paris
>Seigneur Louis Hon-Hon sarkozy Toulouse Martinique Oublié Fesses Nique Baise le nichon de Ma Cul de Haute Lorraine l'Autre throws a party for King Hugo LXIX of le Connard Dynasty
>The party is going great and the Seigneur complements the king on his excellent cooking, the king complements him back, especially loving the accent of cinnamon and note of chocolate on the 7000 ingredient plum pudding
>The Seigneur is utterly embarrassed, as the accent was meant to be chocolate and the note of cinnamon
>He flees out of the dining room and attempts suicide in his bedroom no less than fifteen times, finally dying when the bullet was shot out of the gun, bounced on the golden statue, bounced again on the steel plate le butler was holding when he opened the door and accidentally hits him on the back of the head.
>His son, Seigneur Louis Hon-Hon sarkozy Toulouse Martinique Oublié Fesses Nique Baise le nichon de Ma Cul de Haute Lorraine l'Autre l'Enfant swears vengeance for his father
>Raises up a peasant force of 10,000 men, led by le butler
>King Hugo LXIX flees, his personal swiss guard fighting back the host of peasants
>In the pitch of battle, I, the cook, walks out and declares that I've invented 300 new recipes and 30 million variations upon them since the king had arrived, which everyone must try
>The battle ceases and everyone enjoys the new meals, which become the foundation of an obscure cuisine in the remote reaches of Vietnam and Lebanon today
>As thanks, the King shares his private stash of wine made from grapes grown in Hungarian fields sown with pig anal glands and covered with beaver shit before being allowed to ferment
>Casualties: Seigneur Louis Hon-Hon sarkozy Toulouse Martinique Oublié Fesses Nique Baise le nichon de Ma Cul de Haute Lorraine l'Autre, 20.000 peasants from toulouse and britanny,1 swiss guard who died of old age, 7 hundred ostriches and 2 bird species rendered extinct in the preparing of the meal
>mfwPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.9786


Please teach me how not to be like OP.



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