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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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https://anarchism.pageabode.com/anarcho/review-poverty-philosophy-karl-marx
This article claims that Marx's "Poverty of Philosophy" is just a slanderous book that has nothing to do with Proudhon's real theories.

Marx doesn't properly quote Proudhon or openly strawmans him. His claims about Proudhon being bad economist in the begining of the book sound laughable since Proudhon was respected economist in his time.

>Comparing Marx’s “reply” to what Proudhon actually wrote, it is hard to take the former seriously. Once the various distortions and inventions are corrected, little remains. Proudhon was right to suggest Marx’s work was “a tissue of crudities, slanders, falsifications, and plagiarism.” (Correspondance [Paris: Lacroix, 1875] II: 267-8) Worse, Marx himself twenty years later embraces in Capital most of the positions he attacks Proudhon for holding in 1847.

>The dishonesty of The Poverty of Philosophy has distorted our view of Proudhon’s ideas and the time is long overdue for a revaluation of Proudhon and his contributions to anarchism and the wider socialist movement. This does not mean that Marx does not, occasionally, presents a valid point – most obviously, Proudhon’s opposition to strikes was wrong as subsequent anarchists recognised – it is just that these are frustratingly few in the midst of so much distortion. So, yes, Proudhon’s mutualism – a form of market socialism based on worker-run co-operatives – does need to be critiqued but Marx’s book is simply not that work.

are there any counter arguments to this?
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>>3688
Soviets are direct democracy, idiot.

 

Critique of market socialism is important, but a lot of Marxists erroneously believe that because Proudhon thought markets could work that all anarchists also believe that.

Similar situation for the response of Marxists to other anarchists. There's rarely any actual engagement with the criticism. It seems Marxists are at times more interested in "winning the argument" in terms of public opinion rather than arriving at correct answers. Not to get too Great Man about this but it does seem to be a bit of a habit that was legitimized by Marx and picked up from him by his followers. He was malding pretty hard over people like Bakunin and Stirner in particular and was ultimately more influenced by his critics than he would ever dare admit. In the long run it's really just harmful to be this way and be unwilling to deal with theoretical criticism because it gets in the way of improving the movement in the future.

 

>>8149
>He was malding pretty hard over people like Bakunin and Stirner
Probably true, though i personally i have not enough knowledge on Marx vs anarchist polemic to really talk about it.

However, i think it is worth pointing out that. despite what people like >>3577 say, Marx did in fact have an important influence on Bakunin and didn't just straw man him:
>As far as learning was concerned, Marx was, and still is, incomparably more advanced than I. I knew nothing at that time of political economy, I had not yet rid myself of my metaphysical observations… He called me a sentimental idealist and he was right; I called him a vain man, perfidious and crafty, and I also was right.

Also as sidenote, did Bakunin ever told Marx to literally go fuck himself? I remember seeing a quote like that some 4/5 years being attributed to him and thought it was pretty funny at the time.

 

>>8290
Well yeah Bakunin and most anarchists today (who aren't just liberal larpers) do agree with Marx's critique of capitalism at least in a broad sense. Marx is essential. It's just that he would sometimes make poor criticisms (usually when the people he was criticizing made a good point against him). Most of his criticisms are extremely on point though, including some of anarchists.

IDK about that quote but that sounds funny.

 

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Yes there are counter arguments:

Just fucking read the book and stop caring about anarchists, the latter is an effect of the former.


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Simply put, a thread to document and explore China's relationship with the CIA.

Here we collate sources, examples, etc, which document China's friendly relations with the CIA and its objectives, in places like Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Angola, The Philippines, Israel, etc.
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>>9019
Holy shit dude, read your fucking sources. Don't keep digging yourself deeper.

 

>>9020
which specific parts are you pointing to

 

>>8992
>China funded Moaists, a faction of the communists, to overthrow another communist faction
Couldn't they work together or something.

 

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>>12076
Even I haven't sunk far enough to do this


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These are becoming popular among small independent communist groups that want to investigate material issues and publish their findings and theses. They can also pseudonymize writers and put the focus on subjects first and foremost, akin to how imageboards detract from online personalities at least to the extent where fetishization is minimal and ignored if ever pushed by anyone.

Here's a decent Toronto area one that I've been reading:
https://kites-journal.org/
Program wise, they're a little too Maoist, and it seeps into elements of their investigations obviously, but it's a good concept and spirit in vague.
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>>11597
lol you do realize “ultra-left” is just a snarl word and means nothing right

 

>>11598
Explain?
You know what I mean though right? Tendencies like communization and that sort who had their origin in thinkers of the left opposition in the USSR at that time, so not completely without meaning

 

https://www.wftucentral.org/download/Rome-Declaration-%25CE%2595%25CE%259D.pdf

This isn't what u r looking for but I love reading theses and notes on developments and whatnot from people on the ground. It's not as theoretical and this stuff doesnt get published as often as from small working groups, but they're very good sources nonetheless. This is from WFTU, so they're active on the ground but not for the primary purpose of making theory. Go to any serious communist party/org's website and theyll have theses, statements, and so on published. This is a very good way to see what developments are around the world, and from the perspective of other communists and labor organizers.

 

https://notesfrombelow.org/about
"Notes from Below is a publication that is committed to socialism, by which we mean the self-emancipation of the working class from capitalism and the state. To this end we use the method of workers’ inquiry.

Written contributions are divided into three types: “Inquiry” which involves original research into class composition; “Bulletins” written for and by workers and militants; “Theory”, perspectives on working class struggle from the most advanced and relevant parts of theoretical debate, or pieces about the historical co-development of class struggle and capitalist exploitation. "

 

Фейгин Лайф Арестович.


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I sometimes (actually rarely) hear eastern European people mention the colonization of Russia. It is likened to the colonization of central and western Europe towards the rest of the world. I‘m wondering, is that a justified comparison? I know next to nothing about that, so if you can provide any literature that would be great.
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Is there any literature on how the Soviet Union handled ethnic diversity, differences and conflict?

 

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>>12052
There's this book, haven't got around to reading it yet however so I can't verify if it's actually good.

 

>>12054
I read the first few pages and I‘m pretty content. It’s what I was looking for. Do you know anything about the author though? I could only find out that he worked at Harvard, but I‘m not sure how trustworthy his retelling is.

 

>>12054
What is the origin of the term "Affirmative Action"? Does it have one before the affirmative action of black people in the US? Because if not this seems like a preliminary way to paint whatever the USSR did as bad, since affirmative action as a term has a very negative reputation in the West.

 

>>12068
Nevermind, I basically found the answer to my question.

<As a national entity, the Soviet Union can best be described as an Affirmative Action Empire. I am, of course, borrowing the contemporary American term for policies that give preference to members of ethnic groups that have suffered from past discrimination. Such policies are common internationally and go by various names: compensatory discrimination, preferential policies, positive action, affirmative discrimination.73 They often accompany decolonization. I prefer the term Affirmative Action because, as the above paragraphs have shown, it describes precisely the Soviet policy choice: affirmative action (polozhitel'naia deiatePnost~ instead of neutrality.


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What are the best books on Russian, Chinese and the failed German Revolution and East Germany.
Books about other communist revolutions and state establishments are also welcome.

I want to know everything that happened before and after those events occurred
I want to know how the conditions and reasons for revolution happened in the first place
I want to know what happened during the civil wars
I want to know what happened after they won or lost
I want to know what were the mistakes they made

Don't care how many books to get a full understanding but as long as they're credible and good it's fine by me. I prefer PDFs.
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>>6018
>>6024
Fanshen is also pretty good, it focuses on a single village between 1945-7 (I think). There are plenty of interviews with the peasants and cadres. Hinton does a good job explaining the successes, excesses, and failures of various stages of the revolution.

 

https://libcom.org/history/unknown-revolution-1917-1921-voline

https://cdn.crimethinc.com/assets/articles/2018/05/11/the-russian-counterrevolution.pdf

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/goldman/works/1920s/disillusionment/index.htm

https://libcom.org/library/the-bolsheviks-and-workers-control-solidarity-group

best shit on the russian revolution

 

>>6023
>German
Grab this too while it's still on sale https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/831-the-german-revolution-1917-1923

 

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The Prophet Armed, Deutscher

Very fun read, gives good context for the situation that led to the Russian Revolution, and also the immediate decisions that were made, and kind of gets into all of that stuff (it's a biography of Trotsky btw - he also did a biography on Lenin and Stalin).

Also: Twenty Years in Underground Russia: Memoirs of a Rank-and-File Bolshevik – Cecilia Bobrovskaya

I hear it's good, I havent read it and don't have a pdf.

 

>>12066
Don't forget Trotsky's own History of the Russian Revolution. It's really, really fucking good. Each chapter is written as an in-the-moment narrative, then at the end of each chapter Trotsky gives a breakdown of all the theoretical lessons. The book perpetuates some myths about the revolution and especially Lenin's April Theses, but I don't care because it's just such a page turner. Definitely Trotsky's best work.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/hrr/


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I think there's value in memorizing theory. Brute force memorization, not just understanding. You can memorize using tools like Anki (look it up, amazing program)

Let's share topics every communist should memorize and maybe we can work together to compile list of facts to memorize for each topic?

Examples off the top of my head

>Key dates and facts related to the lives of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc.
>Key dates and facts relating to AES countries like their dates of formation, circumstances of formation, etc
>Key dates of US interventions and AES sabotage operations

>Facts related to capitalist deprivation like deaths, hunger, all wars, deaths in wars, etc.

>Memorize summaries of key theoretical texts by heart, i.e. knowing how to point someone to "Part 2 Section 4 of Das Kapital" for a piece of relevant theory, WITHOUT looking it up

Is there any value to this type of thing do you all think?
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>>11273
>>11274
Just providing the counterpoint.

 

>>11273
Another good source is this:
https://github.com/dessalines

This is going to be hard to compile, but once we achieve an excel document with tabs for each topic which can be exported to CSV format, we can make an anki deck and share it in the megathread for any visitor to download and memorize

 

>>11276
Just want to make sure this thread doesn't die. I haven't done any work on this thread's goal sorry guys. Maybe if others can help brainstorm we can get started

 

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Bump

 

https://www.neelnanda.io/blog/43-making-friends

found this post on using anki for memorizing tons of shit
I always thought anki was just flash cards for ppl who are too lazy to use physical cards lol. I guess it might be worth trying.

In general tho i'm skeptical of the value [says person bumping dead thread] of memorizing theory or nerd dates, it comes off as cultish and at best individualistic (like as if we just need to train a certain number of ubermensch communist warrior monks before we get communism). I think it could be really useful on a personal level though to just remember interesting shit, and also for having a memory of events you'd want to remind people of (like idk, the state assassinating communists while they sleep, etc. - the fact that the fascist mobs in Italy 1922 tried this as well, got GTFO by the workers, and then the navy of the democratically elected Italian gov shelled the workers anyways for resisting the fascists)

I think this could be extremely important, since together we (all people in society) form a social brain, and if we don't keep our social memory alive, it'll wither. So be that one neuron or w/e that keeps some important memories alive and diffusing into public consciousness! It's a good idea. (just, maybe not for shit like when lenin died or how many bushels of grain the soviets didn't force from the kulaks, etc.)


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The rigth to be greedy book migth be the worst fucking book I seen on egoism and communism .

The book starts out by making two contradictory statemenets from the get go:

>1
Greed in its fullest sense is the only possible basis of communist society.
2
The present forms of greed lose out, in the end, because they turn out to be not greedy enough.’’

<Greed is not in it’s fullness in communist society, as a greedy society would be a capitalist one . That’s not to say that individual greed is capitalist . I can bee greedy and not be a capitalist .

it claims that the old forms of greed lose out when they are not ‘‘Greedy enough’’ wich seems to be correct until it is coupled with statement 1. The book tries to explain how the Narrow Egoism of Max Stirner is a weak egoism when compared to ‘‘communist egoism’’ because Stirner’s egoism takes into account only my quantity of ‘‘egoism’’ while in communist society, egoism is quantitavely larger in scope due to the fact that “society” is egoistic .
So in a summary this book argues that weaker Stirner’s egoism “will lose out in the end because it is not as greedy as communist egoism : a society where people are so egoists that they demand a stateless, classless and moneyless society where the surplus value of labour is retained and all members of society enjoy the fruits of labour according to their need.”

Or in a simple term : the collective egoism is stronger then my egoism so therefore it would always win over my own egoism.
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This is part of the reading series we're doing in the Continental Floppa reading group formerly the anti-Anglo reading group. The plan is to read 1 chapter per week (breaking up chapter 3 into the 3 lectures). This is a selection of lectures and essays by Louis Althusser on the topics of philosophy relative to science and politics. This thread is for discussion and to invite people to the reading group, which can be found here https://matrix.to/#/!mjlMGagFTDhvgxMWhY:matrix.org/

Our schedule has recently changed. We now discuss on Sundays.
UTC (UTC +0) 19:00 (5pm) Universal time
EDT (UTC -4) 15:00 (3pm) Eastern US (daylight savings time)
CEST (UTC +2) 21:00 (7pm) Central Europe (summer time)

The next session will be Sunday 27th June, covering essay 1:
Theory, Theoretical Practice and Theoretical Formation: Ideology and Ideological Struggle
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>>6162
I see the idea of the revisionist Althusser still have a stranglehold on a certain segment of the left.
Get it ? :xD

 

>>9913
murddur :DDD

 

>>6173
because they’re the only philosophers that care about science, that’s it

 

Althusser Corrects Marx by Ernest Mandel: https://www.marxists.org/archive/mandel/1971/01/althusser.html

I recommend people read this.

 

>>7000
Hi, op of the post, idk why I thought it would be considered a "theory" to apply mavolvs pyramid into people having an inherit ideology. I guess that what's happen when you read Louis, your brain breaks since of his garbage writing style.


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Honest question: if the Vatican II council was truly a product of communist infiltration (as tradcaths love to claim) how the FUCK did it fly under the radar of the CIA?

In the 1960s the CIA was overthrowuyghovernments around the world, manipulating leftist movements, engaging in mass disinformation campaigns, and so on. If they got word the biggest and most powerful religious institution in the world was infiltrated by communist agents who were pushing all sorts of reforms in the Church, why did they do nothing about it? Or if they did, why do we have no record of it?

Not to mention, how did all the alleged commie priests in the US fly under the radar of the FBI during McCarthyism?
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>>19717
What the hell is this Fatima shit about?

 

>>19719
"errors of Russia"

"consecrate Russia" -> Consecrated whole world

"Immaculate heart will triumph" - Vague victory

Marian Apparitions: Fatima, Our Lady of Akita

End times esque quackery.

Advice for atheists when looking at Catholic Theology:
1. Ignore the belief, look at the outcome. The "Holy Family" is antiLGBT. The "Respect for Life" as a rebrand for ending Womans Choice.
2. Remember that these are quackers. Don't look to hard at it.

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pfft svc had nothing to do with leftism, it meant the acceptance of the church towards bourgeoisie liberalism. just a way to keep the institution alive after totalitarian regimes fell out of favour

 

New vid on the subject.

 

>>19721
This pretty much.

V2 also threw a bone to fascism IIRC.


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This has to be the most incel shit I've ever read. Are there any texts which make a similar argument to this one albeit are written from a leftist point-of-view?
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>>11991
>>11991
I haven't read evola but maybe check out the situationists and Frankfurt school, western or hegelian marxism, broadly speaking.

 

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>>12015
>Yockey
Given his adjacency to British fascists, probably would be worthwhile to read this also.

 

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You'd be hard-pressed to find anything even remotely close to this from a leftist point of view, you can't exactly have an anti-progress traditionalist leftist book. Maybe Camatte after he broke his brain?
Just read Althusser for similar views on women

 

>>12021
>Hegelian Marxism
The opposite. You want something that interprets Marxism as a negative dialectic, not a positive one.

 

>>12022
Yockey is explicitly opposed to the social darwinist/biological determinist model of race, there's an entire (substantial) section in Imperium dedicated to this. As I said, weird liminal category–not traditionally 'third-way' in any sense which could be deemed equivalent to run of the mill fascists, despite his support for them. Similar to Heidegger in this sense.


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