/edu/ - Education

>>11213
>uuhhhh shid thred dont reply
<in the process of saying this, he replies

what did he mean by this?

>>11210

nope

>>11205
bro he's not nostradamus

>>11221
it's a shit thread
what do you want me to say

>>11205
Jairus Banaji's Theory as History

>>10856
No, what entices me about fascism is the promise of obscene enjoyment, leftist movement feel like one has to renounce something instead of being given something. Now that i word it like this maybe appropriating fascism is not the answer.
> but are there any really good reasons to know your enemy in depth?
Knowledge itself is a good reason but this thread was started with the idea of finding stuff to appropriate because of recent rightist cadres appropriating leftist ideas.

>>10859
ah the zizek critique
i mean punk can still offer obscene enjoyment, plus any kind of non-elitist extremism as well

but obscene enjoyment is shitty so fuck it, plus there's normal enjoyment that is good enough
>Knowledge itself is a good reason but this thread was started with the idea of finding stuff to appropriate because of recent rightist cadres appropriating leftist ideas.
ah, in that case i guess they were strengthening their side with some reason lol. I do think that patsoc stuff is an important link in the chain which bridges between "leftist" in the general sense and which comprises much academic views and rests on a sort of post-modern pluralism, and dialectical materialism. Maybe studying Lasalle would be useful. I think the important thing is to know them to critique them though, since they're not particularly strong or drawing people besides the usual "you're special white man, show the world your power, be an alpha male".

I'd be critical too because any time you accept even a tactic of an enemy, its colored with their specific position. Knowing that the right is about obscene enjoyment (plus knowing their justifications for it too: it's tied in to a belief in competition and willpower/victory/struggle giving sanction to enjoy others suffering and transgress all boundaries) will only help us to explicitly formulate ourselves as for moral, socially conscious enjoyment, collective building, etc. It's important to think about the kind of enjoyment we are offering, but we can't just mirror the right. So thats why i was suggesting the best we could do by mirroring is using it to funnel people who are looking for fascism or whatever into leftism. But ultimately too it's about class and status, and it seems silly to want to attract class enemies to convert them rather than attract allies to team up with, so it was a dumb idea ig.

>>10929
you know what, also it's interesting not only that the right on the surface is against obscene enjoyment, while really its based on it, this could just be projection, but the method of obscene enjoyment is a transgression of boundaries and a freedom to do what you will if it pleases you, and this is a point of unity between left and right (i say left here not including communism). Pointing out the nature and history of the idea of the sanctity of will and the transgression of boundaries is necessary to prove that nazism is not free of liberalism, it's based on a radical fulfillment of liberal ideals in the same way that e.g. anarcho-communism is. There's both a unity with their direct ideological enemies, and a unity with the ideological past (modernity, liberalism, democracy, relativism, etc.) that they hope to break with.

This is really important at least for showing the correctness of communism and dialectical materialism against these deviations in order to break free of liberalism on the ideological level (to say nothing of the economic level - cause right wing economics as far as ive ever seen only even shows itself as a patch to the capitalist system, if not just letting capitalism run wild).

One thing I always come back to, even though it's silly cause i'm not a christian, but i'm reminded of St. Augustine's quote "first love god, then do as you please" and Crowley's "do what thou wilt will be the whole of the law". It's a sinister inversion because it's not upending the idea, its removing the obligation to act with love, that's all. Purely formally, it's liberating.

But anyways I guess it's not that simple as exposing the obscene enjoyment, since on the face of it these people are supposed to be ascetic hardasses who love pain and struggle and character-building hardship, and fantasies of torture and rape only come through the cracks but can't be "proven" based on theory. Which is why I guess it's also important to empower fucking common sense against people trying to fearmonger against psychoanalysis or reading things subtextually or doing an analysis of culture compared to doctrine, where the whole is the sum of its parts, or to put that better, cannot be abstracted away from its concrete realization.

Also I'm such a lazy ass lol it's one thing to say "we need to know this in order to show x is like y" Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>10929
I guess you're right, we need to address leftism's unappealing message but promising obscene enjoyment doesn't need to be the answer.
>>10930
No rightism and obscene enjoyment steams what I'd like to say is the rightist syntagma: the belief that some people are worth more than others and that those that are worth more have rights over those who are worth less, men over women, white over black, rich over poor etc. So rightists are not hypocrites because for example the christian right uphold marriage yet elects Trump even if he's an adulterer, they actually love that a rich white man doing X and then telling the people bellow him to not do it is the very core of rightism,.
So it's not really a promise of obscene enjoyment as much as it is a promise of fulfilling one's right over other as long one submits to their superior's right. Tho the desire for violence still exists within everyone's id seems other factors are what make people lean left or right but also explain why fascism seems so enticing.

So I heard that Guenon is the new meme rightist all the /pol/yps are into right now.
I found this post >>>/leftypol/1017391
>Basically Guenon (Who was a pen-pal of Evola) fell into the very literal 'reactionary' [Not in the sense its commonly thrown around] sphere of ideology where they basically think that everything since the English Civil War, The reformation and the French Revolution was / has been / will be a definitive downward slide for humanity on account of the process of society becoming more 'demotic', The replacement of Kings who [At least in their minds, this is up for debate] ruled for life and had a vested interest in the upkeeping of the state with bougies who just buy elections via advertising, and the collapse or corruption, either real or perceived of religious institutions (I.E hyper-universalist protty Christianity, and Vatican 2.0 / Reform Catholicism etc),

>The belief is that in Feudal Occidental society (church) formed one of the 'three estates' along with the (Peasantry / Free-city Proto-Proles) and (Nobles + Merchants), It's deformation and the replacing of Catholic spirituality with church as a social club or a political pulpit has basically thrown off and damaged European civilisation in their eyes,

>To correct this in Rene and Evola's minds they needed to basically 're-discover' european spirituality and they believed they could do this by delving into the numerous Occult and esoteric splinters from mainstream religion that had formed through the late 18th. 19th and early 20th century (Evola believed in 'Magic' and borrowed plenty of the), Along with studying schools like Sufi Islam and Vajrayana Buddhism that they perceived as having kept the basic 'spiritual truth' of religion Christianity had lost

>A lot of later writers in this field of thought also link back to the concept of the societal Socius, And how the change from the Socius most basic for the upkeep of the system, which under feudalism was the Monarch or arguably Terra itself, has now been replaced by capital as a concept described by Marx.

But what else can you guys tell me about him?

>>11020
>>11021
Those guys won the Russian civil war because they listened to people that followed a materialist dialectical critique of all that is Hegelianism. This is called Marxism.

>>10990
There was an active split of Marxism right after the Russian Civil War between Deborinists and Mechanists. The former won out and attributed dialectics as the foundation of Marxism. The Mechanists rejected dialectics and wanted to make Marxism purepy empyrical, and distance it from the idealist Hagelian roots. Ir is also important to mention that the Deborian school found its origins from German idealists of the 19th century that were oppossed to "anglo" empyricism as it was applied to the sciences. It is also worth to mention that these idealist notions about science can be thoroughly considered bogus by todays standarts. Sadly the same can't be said about Marxist doctorines.

hello i just finished reading the phenomenology yesterday so i am thinking of making a reading group for intelligence and spirit. im not posting this in /read/ because while negarestani is probably a marxist, this isn't really a marxist text. anyways, if you find it interesting please join! i am planning that we read one chapter a week (starting next week)!
https://matrix.to/#/#efafawfa:halogen.city

>>11153
oh sorry i only posted the space not the room
https://matrix.to/#/%23iasreadinggroupzaai:halogen.city

>>11153
>>11155
i wrote a summary that you guys can check out here:
https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/11102.html#16839

Hands Off Russia
was written by William Paul
and published in 1919

This copy belonged to Alfred Comrie,
who was a founder member
of the Communist Party of Great Britain

Taken from http://www.heartfield.org/HandsOffRussia.htm

>>9761
"Jambourg" is apparently a francization of Yamburg, now named Kingisepp, after Viktor Kingissepp, founder of the Estonian Communist Party in 1920 and a Chekist before then, executed by the Estonian secret police in '22.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Kingissepp

I haven't managed to read it yet, but apparently Ha-Joon Chang's "Kicking Away the Ladder" is quite good. He's not a marxist since it's pretty much illegal to be one in South Korea, but he seems to be pretty legit as far as the historical information goes.

>>11050
>>11062
Also you might want to check out John Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Hitman, which though it is not a great book, sheds some light into the actual experiences of the agents that enforce IMF policies.

Hi,

So the gist of Einstein's position (from the EPR paper which you can find on the internet) is that the quantum state is not a complete description of reality, because he assumes some "hidden variables" – i.e. that a particle HAS a specific value for a variable, but that it cannot be measured exactly.

In fact, this position has proven to be incorrect thanks to the expreimental verification of Bell's Inequalities. So it has been experimentally proven that a quantum system does NOT have a specific eigenstate for non-commuting operators. It's not about the inability to measure it due to technical limitations. If you are slightly savy in the technical details of QM you can watch John Preskill's lecture on Bell's Inequalites.

The current interpretation that most working phycists hold would be the "minimal interpretation" which can't be boiled down to "it's just how things are don't try to explain it further". Personally, I quite like this because you can't expect human intuition to actually correspond to how things work on different scales, in the same way that Special and General relativity are also, to say the least, counter-intuitive. If you're interested in this there is a section at the end of Chapter 2 of Audretsch's book called "Entangled Systems".

There are literally no material implications of either interpretation being correct due to the fact that historical materialism is a theory dealing with a specific scale, that of human life and experience, which is unaffected by the laws at the quantum level.

Thanks for reading my blogpost.

>>9234
Thanks. I have read some of his essays and while he makes some valid points when criticizing the "left", his obsession with eugenicism, opposition to "technocracy" and labelling ecology of any sort a type of malthusianism, makes me wonder why imageboards are simultaneously able to attract people with wonderfull insights on many subjects and absolute schizos like eugene

Is quantum mechanics an idealist psyop to discredit hidden variables and gather additional funding?

>>11026
no, read a fucking book

That's a useful definition.

>>10966
1. How are their true interests different than their stated spooky interests, which they inherit from society?
2. Why is your assertion of their true interests (whatever its nature) correct, and not another particular and arbitrary narrow egoism as we find in spook-followers?

>>10979
1. Society is a spook
2. No one says anything about their interests being more 'true' than others, simply that they aren't bound to an outside entity

Hijacking this thread quickly
Can someone explain what this poem means in stirners context here?

>>10980
When i say society i mean material society, not society the concept. What makes a spook different than a valid, internal value?

Can you show that individuals are only bound and not empowered by the outside entity? Also, is an entity external when it's been taken internally and expresses itself in all relevant ways within the consciousness of the individual?