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 No.802[Reply]

Does someone have to be skilled/proficient in a subject in order for their teachings to be taken seriously? Can you be mediocre, or even bad at something, but great at teaching it? Should you listen to someone of a low skill level in that subject?

Does this answer vary among subject matters? Like do you have to be a good artist to be able to teach art? Do you have to be proficient in writing to be able to teach that?

This is a continuation of the drawing thread I derailed on /hobby/: >>>/hobby/8436
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 No.812

>>810
Based. Tank you anon.

 No.813

>>802
Knowing the formal rules, though processes, steps to take, fundamental principles conciously is not the same as being able to apply those things on autopilot.
The former makes a good teacher, being able to explain exactly why and how, through concious effort, the latter makes a skilled person.
You can have the former without the latter or vice versa. Often people who are very skilled have internalised the rules to such an extend they cannot seperate the rules from the whole and are thus unable to teach. Also often the people with the theoretical knowledge spend most of their time formalising those rules than applying them in day to day work, and as such aren't as skilled.

So no you don't have to be a good mathematician to teach maths, you don't need to be a good programmer to teach coding. Being a good programmer is applying all those rules instinctively, quickly, without effort, you have to feel instinctually that a piece of logic is "not nice". But teaching requires the ability to apply all these steps conciously, out loud, step by step, formally, not quickly. Same for a mathematician, same for an artist, same for any job.

Skill is not neccecarily knowledge and knowledge is not neccecarily skill.

 No.816

>>813
Does everything have to be explicitly said for the student to learn? You can learn a lot about good programming by carefully reading good programs, you can learn a great deal about dancing by carefully watching experts dance. In workplaces a good deal of training is often done simply by observing more experienced colleagues working.

 No.872

>>816
You can learn by trying to decipher what makes other works good but that is not what you pay a teacher for. It takes many times longer to get a feel for good code, and even then it's total bs to think you can learn good code from experience alone.
Good code is build on strict principles, database designs have hyper formalised definitions to ensure it meets all qualities of good design. Solid dry and other quasi buzzwords have to be explicitly taught in order to be applied, even if the programmer later forgets which of the 20 buzzwords made him consider that choice.

You could try to learn to draw or learn to code just by watching other people draw or other people code, but in reality that is not what happens. In businesses were programming happens, new colleagues are corrected with explicit mentions about why a certain choice is better than others. When drawing, or any other skill, trying to decipher the reason behind a choice will just lead you to 20 wrong ends. The total accumulated decisions obscure the reasoning and in trying to immitate it you end up with people who exhibit cargo cult mentality.
Just look at people who for no reason try to apply certain coding patterns everywhere because "he saw someone else do it" or all the artists drawing horrible shaded drawings because "they saw other artists put in highlights".

You can't learn well from just observing the end result. You have to know the reasons for all choices, so you know why it's there, so you know when to break the rules. That is what a teacher is for.

 No.883

>>872
Relational databases have well-understood mathematical properties but even those can't tell what a good database design is, only pinpoint some obviously bad ones. For example, you can calculate how much redundancy you store, but some extra redundancy may actually be desirable to speed up critical queries. It's not as black and white as you make it to be. There are some similar metrics for code but I don't think anyone actually makes use of them, since blind conformance to metrics is a sure way to ruin your code. Programs are written to be read, not to satisfy "cyclomatic complexity" targets.

Design patterns are a good counterexample, because often they are taught to be a silver bullet for good programming when in fact they are not. They are just common solutions to common problems. Students will mindlessly try to apply them to every problem they come across even when there is a much better solution, because they were taught that this is what they should be doing. I never heard of this actually happening because "they saw someone else doing it", like you claim, but I can recall many cases where they did it because they were taught to. Maybe in drawing it is different, but I am sceptical. The problem with teachers is that they become the sole arbiters of what is considered good/desirable/acceptable and thus rob the student of their confidence in their own judgements. In industry if every code review you give ends up in a small lecture of coding practices, there's a good chance your poor colleague will forever remain a junior programmer because you don't even give them the chance to explain their reasoning. Anyway, they are going to learn a lot more from reviewing your code than from your code reviews.

> You can't learn well from just observing the end result.

Experience says otherwise.



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 No.794[Reply]

Et tu, brute?
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 No.1327

Fortune pisses on me once again!

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 No.1705

Titus Androdicus is the better Shakespeare play about Rome tbqh



 No.776[Reply]

ITT we post links and pdfs to critical or constructive takes on Cockshott and cybersocialism, as well as works or authors who wrote in the fields of cybernetics, systems theory, or operational research in general.

>>>/leftypol/438911

>>>/leftypol/438923
>>701
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 No.5492

>>3377
> There are only so many hours in a day. Time spent reading Hegel is not time spent learning anything about the developments in the field of physics over the past 100 years
You think I don’t literally do both? I feel like the only people that make up dichotomies about philosophy and science literally just sit on their asses all day on anime forums doing absolutely nothing.
I’m a computer engineering major so I have to learn all this bullshit you’re talking about. I read philosophy because I understand the limitations of pure logic to everyday life and have seen its limits.

 No.5498

>>5492
>I understand the limitations of pure logic to everyday life and have seen its limits
Can you give some examples. I'm really interested in that and how Philosophy helps with it

 No.5499

>>3377
>There are only so many hours in a day. Time spent reading Hegel is not time spent learning anything about the developments in the field of physics over the past 100 years.
You think I will spend time down either? Book cuck. I can't read motherfucker!

 No.5500

>>5498
The theories of logic of Godel and Wittgenstein.

 No.6026

>muh science



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 No.760[Reply]

I hear Deng and Bukharin be described as right-wing,
Stalin as center,
Bordiga as left –
but then where the fuck would people like Lenin, Trotsky, Mao and Cockshott fit in to this? Lenin had a big shift in positions (before vs after the revolution), Trotsky was clearly very similar to Lenin in positions after, but he often gets called "left" by Stalinists. Mao clearly was more sympathetic to Stalin than either Trotsky or post-Stalin right-wing revisionists, yet he is occasionally slandered as "ultra-left" (which is ridiculous), and then Cockshott went through "ML" (centrist, I suppose) parties, get kicked out for "ultra-leftism" and subsequently writes his seminal work TANS, including a critique of the scrapping of soviet cybernetics in the USSR, bourgeois elements of democratic centralism, and proposes to move towards communism immediately via the DotP through the revolutionary utilization of cybernetics instead of any market mechanisms (market mechanisms seemingly being supported by both right-wing and centrist Communists).
To me, intuitively, it sounds like Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin and Mao, in hindsight, had more in common than they were willing to admit (all "centrists", but how would one divide them into center-left-, center and center-right?), while Cockshott clearly drifted left (toward Bordiga).

I may be missing something, That's why I want to open it up for collective discussion with you all here on /edu/.
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 No.999

Add Wolff next to Tito.

 No.1008

>>892
Theorists and people who've never been in power shouldn't be on this list.

 No.1013

>>892
Kim Il Sung: center-c
Jong Il and Jong Un: center-r
Laos: right

 No.1014

>>892
Raul Castro and Khrushchev are more like center-r. They did not shift towards privatization as much as Gorbachev and Deng did.

 No.3528

>>814
It depends when. He is about the same as old Bukharin, and to the right of young Bukharin.



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 No.764[Reply]

The Paris Commune successfully establishes socialism in France. What now?
ITT: Post and speculate about alternate history.
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What if William H. Sylvis had lived longer? Could he have forged a stronger working class movement? Perhaps change the outcome of the Great Railroad Strike?

 No.5671

https://leftypol.org/edu/res/2030.html#4424
Suggestion for another alt history
Trotsky's tact against the Nazi Army

What if he didn't abandon the USSR and worked with Stalin in defeating Germany

 No.6413

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ipaX6Mb1SA
What would a Medieval America be Like?

 No.6414

>>764
Their fighters were mostly former soldiers, so it would probably devolve into a junta. After the Prussians leave, they would have to go back to normal to unite with the rest of the country and France would probably become a republic.

So, nothing would really change.

 No.6658

What if the French and Italian communists started armed revolts in their countries immediately after WW2



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 No.733[Reply]

Alright so I've had a few interactions with people on /leftypol/ who seem to think that Dialectics means rejecting the Aristotelian law of non-contradiction. As far as I can tell this has no real basis in the work of Marx or Engels and is a good to not be taken seriously by anyone who understands logic or philosophy or mathematics. I was really confused about where this came from for a while. I have read Mao's "On Contradiction" many times and I suppose that text could be read that way, but I don't think that is what Mao meant by contradiction or "the unity of opposites". Last night though I read Leon Trotsky's "The ABC of Materialist Dialectics" and I think I've found my answer. In it, Trotsky straight up makes a case for why A=/=A, and does make a somewhat compelling argument until you examine it critically.

This piece is well written like most of Trotsky's work, but his argument is full of non-sequitors and general misreadings of Marx and Engels. I want to make this thread to do some comparing and contrasting between four texts in particular, but we can bring in other lit if people want. Those four texts are…

Anti-Duhring by Engels:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/index.htm

The ABC of Materialst Dialectics:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1939/12/abc.htm

Dialectical and Historical Materialism:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

On Contradiction by Mao Zedong:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-1/mswv1_17.htm
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 No.4232

>>3742
You understand this is schizo nonsense, right? This is why no one comes here.

 No.4233

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>>733
gonna leave this here, seems relevant

 No.4234

>>4232
These…
>>3742
>>3763
Not me.

And yes, I know my reading is schizo, but it is still better than Trotsky's!!!!

 No.4235

>>4233
Thank you for the contribution!



 No.691[Reply]

Post works which you think should be translated into English here.

I'll start: I'm shocked that Karl Kautsky's history of the French Revolution (Die Klassengegensätze von 1789) has never been translated into English. Lenin, Trotsky, and other Bolshevik theorists all had an extensive knowledge of the French Revolution, and Kautsky, the "Pope of Marxism" would presumably have had an immense influence. This work was approved by Engels himself, and may have been foundational in establishing the Marxist theory of bourgeois revolution, yet it has never been translated into English.
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 No.1180

>>1171
Can you list those translated works?

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 No.1185

>>1184

I could pirate the following ebooks as they have an kindle version if anybody is interested

"The Woman Priest: A Translation of Sylvain Marechal's Novella, La femme abbe"

"The Woman Priest: A Translation of Sylvain Marechal's Novella, La femme abbe"

"The Permanent Guillotine: Writings of the Sans-Culottes"

"The Great Anger: Ultra-Revolutionary Writing in France from the Atheist Priest to the Bonnot Gang"

 No.1188

>>1185
>The Great Anger
This one is available online, I got it from the Marxists archive.
>The permanent guillotine
That sounds based, would be interested in it

 No.1236

Not to discourage anons from their work here, but I think messageboards are better suited than imageboards for this, because of a more responsive structure for projects and better formatting options. A forum I recommend is leftypol.org even though it's currently not very active, but that shouldn't negatively affect the integrity of this project if others share their attention to both platforms.



 No.667[Reply]

What do I need to /edu/cate myself on if I want to spot sloppy research? Like, what is a controlled study, when is the correlation significant enough to be taken seriously, things like that.

 No.668

>what is a controlled study
Where you have two research subjects, the test group and the control group

You change something from the default state for the test group, and leave the control group the same

>when is the correlation significant enough to be taken seriously,

Depends on what you're looking for, whether you want to minimize false positives or negatives on the likelihood of the effect being real etc

Sometimes spotting spotty research is just a matter of looking for tells

If what the abstract claims is different or hyping the results the research deserves extra scrutiny in some cases for example

 No.682

It's all shit, or at least most of it is. Google "the null ritual".

 No.721

>>682
Do you mean this? I started reading it but gave up after a few pages because I don't know anything about the statistics it speaks of.

 No.722

>>721
Yes, that is exactly what I was referencing. There is an episode of a podcast called "Not Related" that goes into it as well, although the actual demonstration of the issue is in the paper.

The methods that it talks about in there are exactly the kinds of statistics you will need to learn if you are interested in experimental design, or at least if you want to understand the quantitative methods used in academia rn. I was taught null hypothesis testing in my undergrad, but fortunately I also studied enough math to see that it is largely bullshit. I mean, it does have an application but the way it is applied is quite literally cargo cult behavior.

You may also want to look into the replicability crisis in science, as well as the new paradigms in theoretical physics that will hopefully displace the dead-end trend towards quantizement that we've seen taken to ridiculous extrememes in the past few decades. I don't have much faith that this will actually be realized, bourgeois academia is in decay, but the theoretical groundwork is there (quantum gravity is one such theory which is kinda controversial but there are others as well).



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 No.623[Reply]

What do people exactly mean when they claim Cuba and Venezuela were richer before their socialist governments? was it close to an oligarchy?
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 No.664

>Dirty commies took away grandpa’s slaves, they should all be exterminated, blacks belong to whites and Cuba belongs to America
Basically this

 No.2177

For what it's worth Venezuela in 1996 had an inflation rate of only 100% as opposed to back in 2018 when it reached up to 130,060%.

https://youtu.be/R3CR6MzcGD8

 No.2195

>>627
Cuba was actually a center for sex tourism, much like Thailand or the Phillipines today.

 No.2208

>>2177
What exactly caused this inflation are they printing that much money ore is this some US chenanigans

 No.2220

Some little videos about it. At least Venezuela, it's common knowladge that Cuba under Batista was a playground for mafias and rich gringos.

Videos about Venezuela
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvh_mCQbExk Part One
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJZ9QJx_Xqw Part Two



 No.630[Reply]

And which should I skip?
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 No.2440

Pynchon is very fun to read

 No.2460

>>630
My personal favorite is 77

 No.2461

>>2460
It’s not a book about ideology per se, however it’s an incredible book. It’s a story about childhood’s end, fear, anger, nostalgia, with some midlife crisis stuff thrown in. It’s great

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>>649
>lolita
>my gf's favorite book

 No.2479

>>2478
lol
She just thinks Nabakov was the century's finest prose stylist.



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