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 No.10518[Reply]

>Dialectic noun
>The art or practice of arriving at the truth by the exchange of logical arguments.
I am not specifically talking about a type of dialectics, like Hegelian.

I've grown up in a world of state and corporate propaganda, a didactic education system apart from a few rogues, eristic oppositions and the political information system dominated by the art of debate.

Where can someone even find real high-quality dialectic conversions these days? I can look up a million debates on socialism and capitalism and social democracy and fascism but don't care if 'my side' wins, as if there's one true ideology and that rhetoric should determine our favorite one. I want to seek a reasoned, informed understanding with constructive antagonism.

I guess you can discuss the situation described above, post dialectic conversations or give recommendations on finding them.

 No.10520

you need a set of hard theoretical assumptions, say communism, for dialectics to work

 No.10523

>>10518
im gonna instead give u advice, and my honest advice is that you should just delve deep into whatever interests you and see it to its end, and be open-minded. Then you'll get to experience dialectical movement but within a subject that actually matters to you, and maybe even you'll learn something novel. Dialectic is as much about dispute as it is about acceptance. Coincidence of opposites and all that.

Also actually ill recommend u to look to old greek and chinese philosophy for dialogues, theyre full of them. If you want something contemporary… probably gonna have to be a long-form type thing that in all appearances is just people stating their position as totally and well as possible…. those dialogues are the result of simplification. So while shit's still being hammered out, ur probably not going to find anything in that format, as that comes after. So i repeat my above advice, just get really into whatever you like, and try to understand and express it as fully as possible, and this action will bring out internal contradictions, which might just seem like obstacles to your understanding, but you'll probably come to understand something in an actually novel way like this…. And dissenting opinions are somewhat important because they contextualize, but really anything which contextualizes does the same job, like relations and stuff. But all context comes at the expense of the integrity of the previously understood whole, so they are negating. This isn't quite dialogue but like i mentioned i'm skeptical of that being a format that really takes place between two people or two sides, and is more of an internal thing that gets represented as dialogue…

also u probably know this but if there is a really generative conversation between people, it will come off as speculative more than a hard, finished, enlightened movement of an idea. The only stuff that seems solid is when it's situated in context and has time to mellow. Even remember the idea that you first have to go the wrong way to find the correct way. In a really productive debate/conversation, you'll probably end up lots of wrong places first… and remember that ideas also need like real world context to come and negate not just like some guys shooting the shit, so this is part of why im skeptical that a conversation will lead very far beyond their origPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.10535

That is pretty fucking sensational when played with music



 No.9604[Reply]

Discussions on the formal, scientific analysis/critique of class
Starting off with Erik Olin Wright who's broken some ground on this, even if he is basically a socdem at the end of the day
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>>9660
this? >>9431
it's an alright study of macroeconomics and its effects on labour

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 No.5581[Reply]

Most of the books I see about Pol Pot, Khmer Rouge and Kamdoji from those years portray these things as badly as possible, and compare Pol Pot himself to a mini Hitler, or worse. I would like to know if there is a book that justifies Pol Pot and speaks positively about him and the Khmer Rouge. Thank you in advance!anarcho-communismAnarcho-Communism
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>>6114
>>6115
Can any of you find Hou Yuon's The Cambodian Peasants and Their Prospects for Modernization?

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>>6115
Was Vickery pro-DK? From what I've read he was supportive of the Vietnamese invasion

 No.10471

how about from the khmer rouge themselves >>9391

 No.10501

>>10462
Yeah, Vickery wasn't even pro-KR but pro-Vietnam. But he was still a top notch historian and more unbiased on Pol Pot/Cambodia than any anticommunist author.

 No.10503

Banned thought has several good articles that debunks many lies about the regime and has articles on the specific breakdown of relations between Vietnam and Cambodia.



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 No.10449[Reply]

I've done some smaller things that can help hurt spread of crypto. Some good examples are posting about the falling popularity of crypto and sharing fake stories of ceo deaths. These are all legal and if done correctly cannot be traced back to you.


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 No.10413[Reply]

Discuss the following claim:

>An unpopular socialist revolution is not worth attempting. The movement must become popular before seizing rule.


Why do you agree or disagree with this claim?
Pragmatically speaking, how important is popular support?
What are some examples of unpopular revolutions? Do they align with or negate the claim?
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 No.10422

>>10414
You seem to be conflating two distinct things. There is a difference between pandering to the masses and having popular support. Marx and Engels definitely thought there was a need for popularity and used rhetoric to appeal to the masses in their pamphlets, but they just didn't compromise their message to make that appeal. There is a difference between Bonaparte using reactionary populism to appeal to the peasants or Lassalle oversimplifying/changing Marxist concepts to popularize the idea of social democracy and a large segment of workers lead by a party starting a revolution which is joined by the rest of the masses. Otherwise it would just be Blanquism.

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>>10422
/thread basically

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>>10421
>mao the bonapartist

 No.10430

>>10429
everything he mentions in that laundry list is obscurantist bs, not "existing practice"

 No.10435

>>10413
>What are some examples of unpopular revolutions?
Examples of "revolutions" without majority politcal support would be the Saur Revolution which was a minoritarian palace coup, the PDPA did not build in-roads with the majority peasant population which lead to their ultimate demise. Their ultraleft and shortsighted policies lead to them alienating the population who eventually turned on them. That's what happens when you have a revolution with no popular support.

Contrast this to Lenin and Bolsheviks who prioritised majority support before starting their revolution.
From "The Dual Power" by Lenin (https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/apr/09.htm )
>"To become a power the class-conscious workers must win the majority to their side.As long as no violence is used against the people there is no other road to power. We are not Blancists, we do not stand for the seizure of power by a minority. We are Marxists, we stand for proletarian class struggle against petty-bourgeois intoxication, against chauvinism-defencism, phrase-mongering and dependence on the bourgeoisie."
Lenin is saying if you don't want to use violance and coercion against the proletariat (and as demonstrated by Afghanistan will eventually collapse your position of power), you need majority support amongst the proletariat when seizing power.

And from "Can the Bolsheviks Retain State Power?" by Lenin (https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/oct/01.htm )
>"If the revolutionary party has no majority in the advanced contingents of the revolutionary classes and in the country, insurrection is out of the question."
It's the reason why the Bolsheviks launched the revolution in October of 1917, and not April of that year. Had the Bolsheviks attempted to launch the revolution in April when they did not have majority support then it was nearly all but certain the revolution would have been put down.

And maintaing popular support is why the USSR implemented the NEP after the failure of the european revolutions which lead to an isolation of thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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 No.10427[Reply]

Someone had made what was possibly a troll thread on how could one believe a certain statement by Marx.

I had written up what I think is a pretty decent reply that got directly to the heart of the matter that I want to post here. Feel free to reuse it.

Here it is:

The interpretation of the statement "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles."
to mean that recorded human history is nothing but class struggle means the statement is trivially untrue; A single example can disprove it (Take Pythagoras providing a proof of the theorem of the relationship of the catheti to the hypoteneuse in a right angle triangle, this cannot be reduced to class struggle alone since it requires geometry)

To claim that Marx is making such a trivially untrue statement is to violate the principle of charity, to quote mine and to be anti-hermeneutic (ie. to interpret statements in such a way as to make them necessarily contradictory or false).

Here is a more complete quote: “The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guildmaster and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, that each time ended, either in the revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.”

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 No.5385[Reply]

"The Juche idea is a man-centered world outlook. It is a revolutionary, scientific, and political theory that accurately illumines the way for realizing the independence of the masses." - Kim Jong Il

Discuss the Juche idea, it's merits, similarities and distinctions from Marxism Leninism, post pdfs, videos, documentaries, and other educational material for coming to a proper understanding of the Juche idea and it's implications. I'll start off the thread with what is often described as the authoritative text for laying out the philosophical and socio-historical principles of the Juche idea, "On The Juche Idea" by Kim Jong Il.

https://korea-dpr.com/lib/Kim%20Jong%20Il%20-%204/ON%20THE%20JUCHE%20IDEA.pdf
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Texts about Songun

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 No.10426

>The Juche idea, the guiding ideology of socialism in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, was and is target of much criticism not only by the bourgeois media vehicles, from who we are already used to reading these types of content, but also by many progressives and so-called communists. Among the latter, stand out, in particular, Hoxhaists and Maoists, those who raise Enver Hoxha as a great defender of the purity of Marxism-Leninism against revisionism and those who follow “Marxism-Leninism-Maoism”, summarized by Abimael Guzmán, leader of the Sendero Luminoso, from Peru, as “the third and superior stage of Marxism-Leninism”.
>It is well known that between the followers of both lines there is a lot of friction, as well as between the main leaders of the two sides. However, when it comes to the Juche idea and socialism in Korea in general, they both embark on a common frenzy of criticism, most often frivolous. In an attempt to prove the "purity" and "superiority" of this or that idea, they launch attacks against the country that, at times, even assimilates and adheres to what is broadcast by the media at the service of capital and of imperialism, which is, in fact, something to be scared about, coming from communists.
>Given this situation, this article is intended to bring to light the criticisms raised against this idea and Korean socialism in order to provide a reasonable clarification and conclusion of what is really in them.



 No.3250[Reply]

There is a lot of confusion on what fascism is and what it means.

So I think It may be useful to clear things out by making a little general so it can be properly defined and pointed out.

I will start by laying some popular questions about it:
-What is Fascism? (or who best defined it)
-What is function of Fascism?
-Is Trump fascist? (if not, why and where he stands instead)
-What (if it exist) is Post-modern Fascism (/leftypol/s sugarboy Prolekult talked about it)
-Are there Fascist still around/what would take them for to rise up again?
-Does QAnon have any Fascist pararels?
-Some post-1945 historical examples of Fascism.
-Economics of Fascism.
-Flavours of Fascism (based on different material conditions, nations etc.).
-Fascist relations to Imperialism, can Fascist country be Imperialist?
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 No.10367

>>3273
I think you have it right that there are two aspects in fascism, but you get some things wrong about historical fascism

I 100% agree with the idea that the material reality of fascism is essentially a completion of liberalism, as carried out by the bourgeoisie. It is the annihilation of the individual in the name of the social body (as represented by the nation, which is represented by the state or singular leader himself). It is also in some ways anti-capitalist in that it formally subjects the economy to political control, but the nature of that control will always tend to be in favor of whatever bourgeois interests are ruling the system. This is not paradoxical, since companies have to exist in the context of a whole economy, and so in order to shape themselves as they see fit, they need the freedom to impose on all others. This is achieved through political control of the economy. In this way it's even materially progressive. The US deepstate is currently upholding these ideas in a socially progressive veneer. Hillary Clinton, by this definition, is a fascist.

But the other side which is equally necessary to fully understand fascism is it's irrationalism. It is an answer to the problem of modernity. It's a failed answer, but tbh as far as things go it's pretty advanced I think. Fascism is for the rejection of this modern period of generalized nihilism and overturning by the installation of an "eternal" state which is to faithfully represent the true national Spirit. It's at it's core Idealist. It's similar to anarchism maybe? In that they can both be idealist and copes with the problem of modernity. But other than that they're pretty unrelated. Though between these ideas there is a sort of voluntarism or libertinism for the leadership, who are to have full artistic freedom over society. This makes sense, since the state needs it's solidity recognized in order to "represent" (or more accurately, displace) the reality of the individual citizen.

And it's not so much necessarily racist, as trying to worship an aesthetic rendering of their understanding of their particular national being. This is why I say it's more advanced. They fail because of their worship of an aesthetic representation and the negation of the individual (imagining an antagonism between real concrete individual, and the society they make), but they are correct to hoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.10368

>>3364
i'll take back a total criticism of your idea of them being reactionary anarchists, but I think that there's a lot more nuance there to be had. But then it becomes a job of charting out the different tendencies around there….

The common factor of consistency though is their position as a cope for liberalism, they rest on nihilism, which is dysfunctional, and so they cover that up with idealism. The nihilism is at it's core always an active nihilism, so there's a current of overturning and savagery under their "beautiful idea" which they want to implement against reality.

 No.10369

>>3365
this book is pretty neat. but it sadly goes on a literally dictionary definition of fascism, instead of investigating how fascism was for people living in it, and what they thought and did and said, etc. I wish we could have seen a parallel of how fascist subjects viewed their society to compare to our view of our society…

 No.10381

>>10367
This is one of the few posts on here (or anywhere really) that actually understands fascism and isn't just the usual liberal claptrap/reflexive definition-mongering. You actually know its philosophical basis beyond some vague notion of 'racism'. One thing I would add is that, because of the idealism and its relation to the spirit, as well as the totalism of the state, fascism is also something which keenly regards the 'potential' within each member of its national identity. Fascism is a strange ideology in this respect, because on the one hand, it is intensely hierarchical, but on the other, the hierarchy is a sort of 'fluid' one, rather than a fixed or essentialized one (insofar as we are exempt nazism as being apart from the other strains of 'proper' fascism); the 'hero in every man' ambition is an extension of its concept of spirit, and its national totalism, a collective totality of assimilated particulars, wrought with its tendency towards the equalizing potentiation of each person: the power they have in themselves to become something more. But in doing so, they assert their own hierarchical sovereignty under the same state which subsumes and potentiates them all with an equal sense of identity. The economically related stance of corporatism is precisely the attempt to reconcile the seeming contradiction already enmeshed within liberalism, that problem of 'equality yet competition', and it (fascism's evolved 'solution' to the problem) does so through the leveraging force of a national belonging which promises all members of society to be contributive members, contributive in the sense of having some functional purpose regardless of standing, whilst simultaneously encouraging upwards mobility nonetheless. Corporatism was the synthesis of maintaining the 'lower' end of the strata without dehumanizing it, via the promise of unlimited internal possibility and the valuing of all members. In this way, the caricature of communism most people mistakenly preconceive 'communism is about some naive sense of equality' is actually much more at home within fascism's philosophical implications and doctrine than it is within real communism, which has little to do with such an assertion necessarily. Gentile even outright states in 'theory of mind as pure act': "Think of what you wish to be, and you can become it". His seminal work 'on education' is similar. This is the Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>10381
woah cool post

this really fills in the idea that fascism is a more total reckoning of the liberal idea of a singular individual, the difference being that the fascist state is supposed to represent the particular national interests rather than claim some universality.

Also you touched on a point i havent really reconciled yet (due to lack of knowledge), which is the relation of the two faces of fascism, the material and the ideological. At first i assumed there was no necessary tie, but now I think they probably are very intertwined somehow, but i can't say exactly why… my hangup is just that basically we already are getting a fascism materially, but without the ideology. So will we develop a fascist ideology to go along? Or does neoconservatism among the elites constitute this fascist ideology? IMO neoconservatism is less advanced than fascism (because it still keeps liberalism's ideal of universalism, while in its real material character, promoting the interests of one nation… i'll take a guess and say that you face off neocons against welfare "socialist" democrats and you'll basically develop nazism out of it… all the more easily because no one actually gets acquainted with the real philosophy of nazism and just learns "concentration camps bad, racism bad" instead) but it seems to be bringing about a similar material state of things either way.

anyways, this lays the groundwork for dialectical-materialism and a society which is both oriented inwards and with a knowledge of its particular nature, but also which sees the exactly reciprocal relationship it has with its people, particular individuals, who fully embody society in their being. But alas, no one even cares about this shit it seems like….



 No.5935[Reply]

Is there a book I can read on the economy of the Roman Empire and the social classes of the time? Anything that goes into deep analysis or extensive stuff.
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 No.10389

>Roman Empire
Specifically roman empire or you are refering to rome since 753 BC?

 No.10390

>>5938
just because the word is generally derived doesn’t mean they’re literally identical classes. also “small scale wage labor” isn’t capitalism. i don’t even know why i’m bothering to correct you when absolutely void-brained takes like yours will continue to be regular on here

 No.10393

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daniel de leon on the gracchi brothers and the late republic

 No.10396

Did someone already mention
"The assasination of Julias Caesar" by michael parenti its a very interesting and pleasant read

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 No.6857[Reply]

Hey all.

I am looking for recommendations for podcasts on history and or agroecology.

But also this can be a thread about anything educational that you really enjoy
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 No.6862

>>6860
alright, now which ones are actually good?

 No.6863

>>6862
most of them

 No.6865

>>6862
I personally found proles of the roundtable to be the best, before their collapse. Their new podcast is good too

 No.6880

>>6865
>before their collapse
What happened?

Also about "from alpha to omega" and "general intellect unit"

 No.10363

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