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New reading project for the Continental Floppa reading group is beginning. We will be reading various writings related to the subject of "Patriotic Socialism" and national identity. This thread is for slower discussion of the topic and readings and for posting links or uploads for relevant texts.

Join our matrix chat to get involved.

Our tentative plans are to discuss readings on Saturdays, but this will depend on what anybody joining the group has to say. We are still determining which texts to include in our readings and the order.
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Just a tip: order your readings beforehand, formulate a curriculum, especially if you're against patriotic socialism. It just looks like you're cherrypicking shit just for a specific agenda.


A curriculum/study plan that includes essay writing is absolutely necessary for real learning. That said, there is no point in studying for the purpose of disputing "patriotic socialism" since it is not a real movement or even a phenomenon within the communist movement. It has so far only risen to the level of a small-scale Twitter controversy.


This. It's not a serious proposition, but an aesthetic of some grifters.
In the 19th century, political integration only existed at the level of the nation-state or the empire. There wasn't really a concept of "internationalism" or "globalism", and those who had aspirations of globalism were the elite of the elite and did so for elite purposes. The success of globalization today is the victory of capitalist oligarchy seeking to enclose the world. The USSR as a construction was very much an empire seeking to export its system to the other states of the world, and set up a world federation. There's no internationalism as a feeling or aesthetic. Every empire has centers of control to impose it, and it is true of democratic governments "from the base" just as it would be for top-town tyrannical empires. If you're going to propose what amounts to a world federation - and that was the goal of the Marxists - you're supposing some central authority or body regulating all the world. How you go about doing that may vary, but the implication is that practices like war would have to become an impossibility. Realistically, you only do that by force, or carefully pitting people against each other so that a great war is impossible. Those who aspired to dominate the world, whether capitalist or communist, had the same sort of goal. The nation-state was always a temporary project towards this aim of removing all obstacles to the security of those who rule.

The Nazis and fascism fucked this up by promoting identity politics and the notion of "national essences in eternal struggle", but this is really another way of imposing globalism, and it is the most corrosive and terrible way. But it is, unfortunately, the way that wound up succeeding, because the political aims of eugenics necessitated a fascist state rather than any other formation. And so, we are cursed with the worst of all worlds, in which globalism means cutting up the world into chunks and encouraging every petty distinction. Because the eugenic/fascist system is so total, it has become impossible to conceive with any seriousness a world federation on any other basis, or any other way in which people could co-exist. World government could only be supposed on a class conflict between the dysgenic underclasses and the favored castes of such a society, and that is the globalism we have now.


Well it's a historically relevant question, and the fact that it's getting some attention now suggests it may become significant again in the future. So far in the discussion we've noted parallels between the politics of Lenin's time and the politics of today on the topic. I think you are correct about incorporating writing, so I'll see about how to incorporate that part.

I think we'll talk about a reading order in chat this week. It was bothering me too, not having a set list to read in the past.
>It just looks like you're cherrypicking shit just for a specific agenda.
Well this all just started with a conversation where one of us had just gone and read Lenin on the subject and noticed how the people discussing the topic were largely ignorant of rather mainline arguments on the subject and seemed to just be talking from a liberal view.

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Is there any books I can read that documents the NSDAP rise to power? Specifically from a leftist perspective or a leftist analysis? I'm specifically looking for a book that follows the events as they happen.
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Probably because communist organizing was most advanced in urban industrial regions. The strongest nazi base in the east is just Juncker city IIRC


Hamburg, too. Hitler would rarely visit the city, because sentiments there were still broadly leftist


What exactly were “junkers”, I seen that term used a lot during Marx’s writings on German society.


more traditionally in general German usage, a young lesser nobleman usually without land and in military service
it was eventually adapted into a name for the Prussian aristocracy, who did own a ton of land in Prussia and swayed elections there under the Weimar republic
Hitler kind of saw them as part of the backstabbers of WWI although more passive, but they still ingratiated themselves with him and succeeded obviously


Despite the fact it was written by the Allies "trials of war criminals before the nuremberg military tribunals" is an incredibly well documentation of how the Nazis came to power in support of major corporations.

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"The transformation to a neo-colonial world has only begun, but it promises to be as dramatic, as disorienting a change as was the original European colonial conquest of the human race. Capitalism is again ripping apart and reconstructing the world, and nothing will be the same. Not race, not nation, not gender, and certainly not whatever culture you used to have." —from the preface


As of 07/01/2022: Ch. 2-7 in need of formatting. All chapters in need of citation links. Needs proofreading.

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Where to find language learning communities, where I ask something about the language I am studying and get responded? I am not using hellotalk because it glows, nor fbi.gov for obvious reasons. I am a brazilian learning greek and mandarin and intending to learn korean and spanish, in case I need to be specific.
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I played PS2 games in english in my critical period, so I accquired the language. The game was in english, so i was already using the language. And I still have questions about the language sometimes.
Never mind, i found out about hinative. Goodbye, nerds.


uygha quoted the OP and deleted.


Was World of Warcraft ever localized for Urdu?


What makes you prefer HiNative to the other services you've seen? What makes it better than say Tandem or HelloTalk? I've never heard of HiNative, but I have heard of the latter two.


If I wanted to just be able to read Koine Greek, would learning actual contemporary Greek be enough?


These are becoming popular among small independent communist groups that want to investigate material issues and publish their findings and theses. They can also pseudonymize writers and put the focus on subjects first and foremost, akin to how imageboards detract from online personalities at least to the extent where fetishization is minimal and ignored if ever pushed by anyone.

Here's a decent Toronto area one that I've been reading:
Program wise, they're a little too Maoist, and it seeps into elements of their investigations obviously, but it's a good concept and spirit in vague.
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i want stuff on actual worker's struggles in the here and now and focused ENTIRELY on them, not some fucking NEET with an active twitter account vomiting out their dime a dozen opinion on kautsky or lenin or stalin or geopolitics while limply giving statements of support to actual real world stuff once in a while
why do i even need to say this shit? fuck off


Like I said, I can give some german shit which you can't read. The problem is that you are asking for something highly localized and most of the non anglo journals don't publish in english


i'm learning german rn personally, and you can share them here for other german readers anyways


Ok, but those guys are some sort of left-communist group. I have a hunch that the only communists that are running those study groups and journal(that you are especially looking for) are only to be found in the more ultra-left wing like communisers, maoists etc.


https://uppingtheanti.org/journal canadian. very steeped in traditional Left activism but interesting stuff in there nonetheless. especially these:
hmm, seems like they mostly tackle philosophical stuff

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This Thread is created to have serious discussion on J. Posadas works. Critiquing, analyzing, and learning from his works and understanding why his Party was very big in South America. Below are some of the translated works that I could find:





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I have read that book it was quite interesting to get the life of Posadas and how Trots turned against him. Despite the fact that there was valid reasons for it, as the Fourth International were very Eurocentric. They did not listen nor cared about the blight of the South American Comrades. When Posadas with his influence decided to do the Fourth Inernational Posadas, he basically pissed off all the Trots doing soo.

It was when he addressed one of his comrades on the UFO phenomena was why the Flying Saucers article everyone knows was written. It was originally a speech and was written down as the minutes, what this speech was supposed to do was basically saying, if advance civilizations exist they would be Socialist'. It was this twisting of words that caused the Posadist to be seen as the ufo cult by the jealous trots that still had beef with Posadas.

If you read some of his other articles like the ones I posted and the book he written. You would see that Posadas was very much a ecologist, wanting Nuclear Power to be out of the hands of the capitalist and into the hands of the populace. That Workers state should be in control of the nuclear weapons to defend themselves in a capitalist world.

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>Be Ernst Thälmann in the late 20s
>Leader of the KPD in Germany
>Get over 10% of the vote in 1928 (4th place)
>Get 13% (3rd place) but Hitler just came out of no where and got 18% (2nd place)
>It's obvious that Hitler is going to keep growing in power
>Hitler brags in speeches that he'll suppress every other party in the Reichstag once he wins
>He even wrote a book where he talks about bolshevism being the blood enemy of fascism
>Be Ernst Thälmann: massively popular, growing at a similar rate to Hitler, but don't know what to do
>Consult pre-1935 Comintern, guidelines only retards would follow (even Stalin admitted this later)
>"Whatever you do, don't make a coalition with the Social Democrats!" says Comintern
>Social Democrats are the only party bigger than the Nazis
>They are interested in forming a coalition with the KPD to beat Hitler
>"Nah, that sounds like social fascism to me"
>Thälmann decides to attack SD rather than Hitler
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The strasserist wing had been killed, and was always on the wrong side of the party powerbase. It's just meme politics.


Wtf, y Russia betray them?


>"Whatever you do, don't make a coalition with the Social Democrats!" says Comintern
Infighting between leftist leading to millions of communist to be tortured and murdered.


This. After Stalinization (if you'll pardon the term) it is well-known that the comintern went from a coordinating pole of internationalism to a cudgel of the USSR used against other CPs.


Ah yes, it was for precisely this reason that the great comrade Stalin expressed approval for its dissolution


ITT post information about the history and anthropology of the New World. A lot of new anthropological work has been done in this field in recent decades that has not yet entered public consciousness.
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I only ask because many people in Europe died due to cyanide hardened copper tools



Anyone have a legend for the OP map?


Not aware if there is a legend or not. It was hard to find a map of both Americas that had more than a few cultures/ethnicities on it. This one was a WIP attempt by somebody to map pre-Columbian ethnic groups to help people write alternate history. They got banned from the community though so IDK if there was a more complete or labeled version.

I didn't want to use it for the OP image until after looking for a while I realized that there just weren't (easy to find) good maps of all the Americas showing the people who lived there. So it's kind of representative of how overlooked the subject is. :-\


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Actually now that I have found the source page and read through the thread, I see that it is in fact an alternate history map rather than a historical one. What a sad statement indeed. Most maps that have more than a handful of cultures, languages, etc are restricted to only one continent or region. It's difficult to find an all-inclusive map showing anything significant at all.

Here's 2 maps for North an South, but missing Central for instance.
The NA map is from wikipedia.
The SA map is from a redditor who was annoyed that wikipedia only had NA in the above wikipedia article.

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Hello everyone, we have received the results of our project proposal topic, and I'm delighted to announce that we are teaming up with 'leftypedia' to deliver our planned 'argument/talking point resource' idea. In case you don't know, leftypedia is the current version of the old abandoned 'marxistpedia' which was a project started by leftypol users back in the day, so I think this is sort of like a homecoming in a way.


Anyway, if you have a look at the leftypedia site you might be able to tell that they have a much more formal and 'encyclopedic' tone than what we're planning, just like wikipedia, but the admin is going to create a separate 'category' for our new content that will be called something like 'rhetoric: topic' rather than just 'topic', this will also feature on the frontpage much like the encyclopedic content. As a tenplate, I'd like you to feast your eyes on these pages which someone on leftypedia already made (albeit only on their personal userspace for now).


I'd like to ask if anyone can come up with a slightly more catchy name for our new section than 'rhetoric', cause that sounds a bit cumbersome to me even though I came up with it, so yeah, open to suggestions.

So, since that isn't implemented yet, I'd like you all to try familiarise yourselves with the site for now, maybe take a look at the articles that are already there and improve some of them if you feel able. Unfortunately the site currently has only edit by approval so you will have to wait for any changes you make to be approved, this is because of a persistent spambot problem and I hope that we will be able to work out something to change this to normal editing as on wikipedia and the like, please just bear with it for now.

If you have an answer to a 'common question', or you have an effortpost you'd like to archive and save, then please post it in this topic for now so that we can work on it together until we can figure out how to categorise our new section of the site.

Thanks for your attention!
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Shay on /siberia/ had a semi-jocular idea, thought this might be a good place to repost it

Towards Independence: Socialism for the Hinterlands
Chapter 1: Why Independence?
Chapter 2: Confederate History
Chapter 3: The Issues Facing Us
Chapter 4: Addressing Prejudice
Chapter 5: What Is Socialism?
Chapter 6: Why Socialism? (Marxist-Leninist-Maoist Georgist Lincolnist Confederalism)
Chapter 7: Foreign Policy
Chapter 8: Demanding Change and Mass Line Mobilization


bumping because leftypedia needs more new articles


Would you mind having a Leftionary? Also give article ideas!



imagine getting your ideology from simping kill yourself any time.

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Things to share: Movies, documentaries and mainly books.
Anything related to socialism, anarchy, communism and so on.

>Absolute beginner material




>More Marx and Engels


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Make a new thread so we don't shit up the thread dedicated to torrents k?


Son, the purpose of this board is to write and read long swats of text, why are you here and not on /leftypol/ where things will be more up your speed?


Manga link is dead, here's a working one: https://gofile.io/d/tuNS2e


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thank you


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bye everyone, my time here is done, save what you want from this thread im not gonna be seeding anything anymore, some things are happening in my live, I need to move on.


Torrent boy.

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