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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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 No.5817[Reply]

So, what I hear from from liberals, reactonaries but also some communists, is that a lot of Marx's concepts and categories are not empirically proven and just based on prior assumptions Marx makes(ie Dialectics) or based on his own morality. One of these categories disputed by liberal "intellectuals" is surplus value or profit in their view. They argue, that it only exists as an entity if you accept Marx's epistemology. Is it true?
This shouldn't be only about surplus value but about whatever seems to fullfill the premise of being an unsupported claim in Marx's works. Communists like Althusser insist that there are remnants of Hegelian Idealism in Marx that make some of his claims unscientific. Is there truth to that too?
>posting in /edu/ since I hope to get some good answers in this thread

 No.5819

How is surplus value a Marxian category? It’s a name Marx made for something that is part of liberal categories. Marx only looked to understand the relation in those categories.

 No.5823

>>5819
I said that a lot is based on prior assumptions. See:
>and categories are not empirically proven and just based on prior assumptions Marx makes(ie Dialectics)
This includes the political economy of Smith and Ricardo too. Now that bourgeois economics has moved away from the classicals, the question arises by liberals, if Marx's work can only work nowadays if you accept the categories of classical political economy. We can see that it is not true for the ltv since people like cockshott proved it empirically. Surplus value though…seems not to have been proven

 No.5829

This is true for every theory. Atom is just a theory backed by copious data and evidence. You’re free to come up with an alternative hypothesis.
Just know that Neoclassical economics doesn’t have any more predictive power and the Post Keynesian prove this

 No.5834

>>5823
Surplus is given value only by competition but surplus in general just means above what is necessary to maintain a group. If 5 people produce every day enough to produce all 5 of them every single day then they do not produce surplus. Now if 5 people produce double what they produced before then now they are producing a surplus. This would double what they needed to subsist. That's all surplus is. Surplus value is a category denoting s phenomena in modern political economy. The surplus value is only given value in comparison to other values in exchange, that is, commodity production. Surplus value has only been possible ever since the realization of generalized commodity production, to be distinct from former commodity production when someone would only barter or trade their surpluses. Generalized commodity production is what gives value it's value, alongside competition of course.



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 No.5808[Reply]

/posadism/ general

Any posadist literature in english? I wanna see if there is any method to his madness or is it just shizo rambling.christian_communismChristian Communism
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 No.5813

>>5812 (me)
there is also a revleft episode with the author.

https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/posadism

 No.5815

>>5812
Is there an epub of this?

 No.5816

General /ayyyylmao/ thread? Anyone have any suggestions for books on the trans-dimensional theories? I've read Valleé and liked it but this was years ago and he never really articulated a theory.

 No.5818

posadasPosadas

 No.5820

posadasPosadas



 No.5798[Reply]

I want to talk about private property, it’s original inspiration to according to modern private property, and it’s development as private property in bourgeois society.
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 No.5800

>>5799
I didn’t say I want reading materia, I want to discuss.

 No.5801

>>5800
But you didn't ask a question or anything. The clip is related to where private property comes from historically. Somebody could write what Mark Blyth said as a post but it would be the same thing. What's there to discuss exactly? The mercantile classes rose up against the nobility and took the state, then created private property as the means to make the commoners work for them as proles instead of peasants. That's the quick rundown version.

 No.5802

>>5801
Wasn’t private property a kind of marriage of the old Roman private property law and the landed property laws of the feudal times?

 No.5804

What do we call the property of the peasants, small landowners who were expropriated with the rise of capital?

 No.5806

>>5804
We have to look at a feudal legal code to know that tbh.



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 No.5779[Reply]

Should I read theory in english or my native language? Until now I've only read in german but I never debate or discuss in german so I don't know which is better. Also, which language do you read theory?
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 No.5784

>>5783
The Chinese translation of Capital is easier to read than the English one.

 No.5797

>>5784
Brb gonna go learn Mandarin real quick to read Capital

 No.5814

>>5779
It is always preferable to read texts in their original language.
also lies Marx verfickt nochmal auf deutsch.

 No.6047

Read it in German. English speakers can't think by essence because they don't know the etymologies of their words.

 No.6058

If you know the original language well, read it in the original language. (And certainly no shortage of good theory in German!) If not, well, the translator probably knows the language better than you. I learned this the hard way, trying to ploddingly get my way through Baudrillard and Badiou in French (which I can read, but slowly and not very well) rather than just going for the translation.



 No.5750[Reply]

American WWII training videos are so cool. I don't know what else I should add here. I'm going to post a couple on various topics. Some might be more useful than others.

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 No.5748[Reply]

I just accepted a job as a history teacher in china. i dont have a teachers cert and im a little overwhelmed because i want to teach history better than i was taught it.

does anyone have any pdfs/epubs on historiography, philosophy of history and or textbooks on teaching history? i will be teaching to American, New Jersey standards.ak-47AK-47
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 No.6154

>>6150
actually what sort of history class is this? general history of the world or some specific place? how old or what grade are the students?anarcha-feminismAnarcha-Feminism

 No.6156

>>6143
> have huge complaints about the increasing nationalism
Can you expand on this ? I would expect nationalism to spread like hellfire when "your" country is expected to be the world's hegemon .not that i'm complaining tho this shit is the greatest crack pandemic that modernity gave us

 No.6157

>>6152
this is a FANTASTIC idea. i dunno how i could pull it off though. putting textbooks side to side would really put in focus the history skill of discerning validity of sources.
>>6154
grades 9-12. American standard. world and US history. two seperate classes.
>>6156
The chinese ive talked to talk about school like it was abuse and the more i listen to them the more it seems like it. The nationalism props up and justifies a lot of the worst aspects of Chinese society. Chinas current success becomes because of everything it does. problems with the gaokao? lazy shit, our schooling has made us the intellectual powerh ouse of the world. got problems with the work life balance. lazy shit, your grandparents worked ten times harder and fought the japanese at the same time, youve just got no ambition. the nationalism props up chinese family values too which is have kids young to give them to your parents to raise while you work (because thats what they did for their parents so this way they finally get to raise a kid for real).
ill try find some shit to this effect so you know im not just spitting propaganda. but the nationalism seems to boil down to:
china, 5000 years old continuous civilisation, our culture is the highest form of this heritage and we are becoming the hegemon, thus our social arrangements are correct.

the upper middle class people ive talked to hate thatak-47AK-47

 No.6181

SHEG https://sheg.stanford.edu/history-lessons has a lot of good stuff that's pretty easy to adapt, although it's definitely geared towards high school classrooms.

> actually what sort of history class is this? general history of the world or some specific place? how old or what grade are the students?


Came here to ask this. I've taught from middle school to college and to state the obvious, different age levels are different.

 No.6375

>>5748
check out The Ignorant Schoolmaster



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 No.5858[Reply]

We have some threads on religion and what not, but I think we should have one taking "spirituality" as a developing science. I feel "spiritual science" isn't "anti-materialist" in the same way that quantum physics is not anti-classical physics. I'm also not saying to woo woo quantum physics into some kind of justification of spirituality. All of these things may be true and seemingly separate because of our lack of knowledge between the connections of these various phenomenon at different levels.

As for myself. I used to be a hardcore skeptic. I used to laugh at my Chinese friends telling me about Chi power and herbal medicine and whatnot. I remember my brother was interested in Chi-Qong and I brushed it off as at best a primitive understanding of understood biological processes. I had my first experience with Salvia Divinorum and immediately it was like my skepticism and my attachment to crude understandings of accepted science was blown out the window. I remember at the time I first encountered it, my inclination was to try and get some people smarter and more knowledgeable in physics and quantum physics than myself to try and encounter these kind of experiences and see what there interpretation would be. I've had many more experiences off and on various psychedelics since than, Marijauna, Mescaline, and LSD since than, and frankly, in the right state I feel like even completely sober, I could induce altered perceptions in myself and in others, but I feel like certain people who are attached to their learned perspective of reality are internally/sub-consciously afraid of ever opening themselves up to alternate perspectives. I am very hesitant to get myself involved with other people who are into this kind of stuff, because I feel like many of them, especially religious types, are victims of superstitious beliefs and understandings of these experiences and phenomenon. Yogis have talked about the high-probability of falling into superstition when encountering the spiritual unknown. It's really not hard to believe when we consider the history of accepted science. People not to long ago believed that flies spontaneously spawned from rotten food. A fault explanation of a phenomenon, does not negate the underlying phenomenon described.

There used to be in The West a high interest in spiritual science in the late 1800s early 1900s(Edgar Cayce, Dione Fortune, etc.) but all of that got kind of pushed to the periphery but still existed with somePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.5907

>>5859
Define eastern spirituality.

 No.5908

>>5904
>Take it as a thought experiment, if you are interested.
ok
>I could tell you more abstract shit like people felt better when I was around in some instance and there would be even more hypothetical explanations.
You can't blame me for thinking this has a boring explanation: people like company.
>If something is purely some kind of biological process, it can't be replicated by anything but biological processes.
I have no problem with that, you are allowed to use biological components in a test-rig. Just as long as we get a thingy we can get objective measurements out of. The goal is to make the phenomenon happen without any source of bias.
>So you're saying this would be the beginning and the end of your own acceptance? What about all the sciences that don't require an instrument like that. Would it be un-scientific to say verbal abuse or something could effect someone psychological and physiologically? Unless I can construct a machine that could be affected by words in the same way a person could that means that phenomenon does not exist?
There is no mystery how abusive verbal communication is transmitted, we know how sound carries words, we know about vocal cords and ears, and we have external devices that replicate it in an objective way: we call it speaker and microphone. Metaphorically, you told us you could spook horses via an invisible telephone, it would be neat if we could figure out how it works, and build a model that isn't attached to your head, to play around with.

 No.5909

>>5871
you are delusional. im not saying this only because of what you believe you can do but also your written explanation, it reeks of delusional thinking

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 No.5911




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 No.5705[Reply]

An anti-communist friend recommended me these. Has anyone here read them? Are they at all accurate?
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 No.6013

>>5789
Suny's been making the rounds lately raising awareness for his book contra Montefiore, Kotkin, etc. Here's a timestamped youtube video where he distinguishes his bio from other bios on the market: https://youtu.be/8GRS2kMlZsk?t=1507
>>5794
No problem! I recently ordered copy and am looking forward to reading it.

 No.6014

>>6013
>"With Steve Kotkin […] he doesn't take the earlier period that seriously. Montefiore who DOES look at the early Stalin (he has a book called Young Stalin) in fact DOESN'T take Marxism, the 'National Question' seriously—One time I met Montefiore and he said, "What are you interested in?" I said, "Well I'm interested in the Revolution, the labor movement; I'm interested in, yknow, social democracy" and he said, "Oh good! I'm interested in his women." So if you're interested in his women, then go to Montefiore and you'll find a Stalin who's not only a bandit, a gangster, a terrorist, but a pedophile. I took Stalin very seriously; I took Marxism very seriously. He was a journalist for much of his career! He wrote dozens and dozens of articles in Georgian and in Russian—and he wrote on the 'National Question' […] So it's a lot of context—maybe too much context."

 No.6015

>>6014
Here's hoping Suny lives long enough to write a book on Stalin during the early Soviet period.

 No.6031

>>5921

What does "too biased" means ? If the question is the anti-stalinist position is backed up by solid sources, even marvellous for a time when knowing something about the soviet union was extremely difficult, then no it's not "too biased".iwwIWW

 No.6035

>>5741
Anyone read his history of the USSR?



 No.5689[Reply]

Does anybody have some book that study the Belt and Road Initiative from a Marxist-Leninist (not MLM) perspective? Preferably from the Chinese perspective.
I need it to debunk reactionnaries shitting on China daily and claiming the B&R is unsustainable.


 No.5669[Reply]

What are the best books on Russian, Chinese and the failed German Revolution and East Germany.
Books about other communist revolutions and state establishments are also welcome.

I want to know everything that happened before and after those events occurred
I want to know how the conditions and reasons for revolution happened in the first place
I want to know what happened during the civil wars
I want to know what happened after they won or lost
I want to know what were the mistakes they made

Don't care how many books to get a full understanding but as long as they're credible and good it's fine by me. I prefer PDFs.
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 No.6027

>>6023
>>6024
Based as fuck, thank you anon

 No.6028

>>6023
>>6018
>>6024
thank you!
if you find anything about other lesser known communist revolutions
drop them

we have to learn from the comrades of the past and their efforts

 No.6036

E.H. Carr's History of Soviet Russia in a lot of volumes. As it is very connected, he goes through the German revolution atempt as well

 No.6037

>>6036
Nice to hear that

 No.6199

>>6018
>>6024
Fanshen is also pretty good, it focuses on a single village between 1945-7 (I think). There are plenty of interviews with the peasants and cadres. Hinton does a good job explaining the successes, excesses, and failures of various stages of the revolution.



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