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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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I'm charismatic and already communist, how can I help with what you're trying to do here? You all seem kind of frustrated in your interactions with each other. What needs to change?

What are you talking about? Explain please

>>24737
>You all seem kind of frustrated in your interactions with each other. What needs to change?
nothing, the point of a political imageboard is frustrating each other with different outlooks

>>24739
Does this lead to good results? Or is the hope that it creates the sort of people who bring good results?

>>24737
You know what? I stumbled upon this board when it was on 8chan back in 2016 - my god, it's already been a decade… - and I started posting in 2018. Every once in a while I took a break, sometimes even for months and I guess I missed out on some big drama and technical debacles a few times. But I've never, ever thought about meeting anyone or trying to organise anything in real life, really…
I'm glad you think of yourself as a charismatic person, though.



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So /edu/ this site is full of threads debunking standard chicken headed talking points but what are some legit criticisms of leftist thought?

I found this book Black Marxism by Cedric Robinson and his thesis runs as following. Marxism and European socialism, instead of being an ideology of the proletariat, was a petty bourgeois ideology born out of a ressentiment for the bourgeoisie and the belief that the proletariat could be better managed. Leftists falsely understood capitalism as a rationalizing force which would create a homogenous proletariat, while in truth capitalism exacerbates racial differences to manage pops more efficiently. Leftists mistake nationalism and racism as essentially reactionary, while in truth it has always played a huge and sometimes preponderant part in history.

Second Kolakowski's book Main Currents of Marxism makes two important claims. Terms like "materialism" and "dialectics" are not well defined leading to ambiguity and confusion. This is why Lenin and the Russian Marxists misinterpreted Marx's materialism as an ontology of matter. Second leftist materialism is determinstic and offers a telological history in which outcomes are predetermined. This undermines human creativity and autonomy and is why the Soviets and "actually existing socialism" became totalitarian in practice. The party led by masters of Marxist theory and technocrats can guide society through more and more bureaucratization cancelling out the need for democratic participation and subordinating individual agency to the needs of the bureaucracy itself. I believe the Maoists saw this and tried to break from it but China ended up producing the same results because even the red guards embraced the same interpretation of historical/dialectical materialism.

I want bring out Carl Schmitt here for all the leftcoms and anarchists. If you have a radically open society you can easily get invaded by an influx of new people. /pol/ stormfaggot colonization of online spaces proves that anarchic environments are highly vulnerable to this type of invasion or the emergence of extremism within. Anarchist societies would not have the means to resist these invaders. Probably why the Zapatistas are scrapping their communal autonomy model because of cartels moving into Chiapas and causing trouble. The anarchist army could resist an external military force. Its been done before. But an anarchist society is prone to collapse and reversal through inabiliPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>24723
>Marx gives us a stage theory of history where human societies evolve from more simple modes of production to more complex ones like capitalism. This entire model is empirically false and it assumes there's some linear tech tree that all human societies must advance through.
No, that's just your misreading of Marx. There's a tendency that people reduce dialectics to the triad thesis-antithesis-synthesis. Well, I also think that there's a tendency that people reduce Marx's analysis of capitalist to the triad slavery-feudalism-capitalism. Looking back, everything does seem linear.

The message you should get from Marx is that capital is univeralizing and history during and after Marx proves this - capital is international, it spread with sword and fire of colonialism and imperialism. Where there is capital, there's a working class and vice versa. Capital reproduces the working class and the enslavement of the working class under capital. The working class has vested historic interest to overthrow this system. That's the big story.

In general I think you're arguing a Marx strawman. With some Twitter ML ghost that ratio'd you earlier in the week.

>>24727
I'm not talking about dialectics. I'm talking about historical materialism and his theories of historical development. Marx is a social evolutionist: all societies should eventually develop the same social and productive structures, regardless of how he thinks this development happens. This really could be a side thing to his whole critique of capitalism which mostly holds up even if its dated. You can accept some of Marx's ideas without being a Marxist and you don't have to believe in X or Y thing Marx said. Marxists try to clobber you into this dogmatism.

>>24724
That's why I say that free will is not the same as true freedom.

>>24729
thats dialectics

>>24729
>I'm not talking about dialectics
yeah congrats for not reading the post
>>24727
<there's a tendency that people reduce Marx's analysis of capitalist to the triad slavery-feudalism-capitalism. Looking back, everything does seem linear.
<The message you should get from Marx is that capital is univeralizing and history during and after Marx proves this - capital is international, it spread with sword and fire of colonialism and imperialism. Where there is capital, there's a working class and vice versa. Capital reproduces the working class and the enslavement of the working class under capital. The working class has vested historic interest to overthrow this system. That's the big story.



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>Historical events, states and peoples with cool names
'The expedition of the thousand', 'Triarchy of Negroponte', 'The Battle of the Crater' and 'The Boxer rebellion'
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Ispahsalar


Heresiarch or Arch-Heretic

The Field of Blood

>>21647

redditor



 

How could the economic stagnation in the USSR have been avoided? I understand that Gorbachev's liberalization was the last straw, but there were economic problems even before that.

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Market socialist reforms

Anti-corruption reforms

There was no future for socialism, so it could only die no matter what you did to resuscitate it. The argument for socialism was never premised on economic growth, nor was that seen as the purpose of capitalism necessarily. The argument for socialism was whether there was any interest in continuing the project, or if the favored wouldn't cut loose anyone who wasn't meant to make it in the world to come. They chose the latter, some enthusiastically, some only out of immediate self-interest, and some entirely against their wishes and sense of the world but mandated by the pressure of the first two groups. It became impossible to speak of a world where someone could simply exist as a poor. Only exceptional people are wanted in the world to come, and exceptional people are by definition not the masses.



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I am still a noob in economics and socialism in general, can someone explain to me in a simple way why the current real estate crisis and high prices. I live in the EU which is infamous for making excessive controls, yet it is quite common to buy products from Morocco or similar countries where conditions are much worse, what do they gain from it?

Literally "The rent is too damn high". The entire economy is set up for as much rent extraction as possible by decades of policy, with the intent of imploding capitalism as anything involving actual capital.
In the rest of the world, real estate is not ridiculously overpriced, with the exception of some parts of the Middle East that are already an advanced model of the new program they want for the world. It's still expensive everywhere, but not so expensive that it is inflated ridiculously beyond what anyone actually pays for it. The entire purpose of such high rents is to make them unpayable, so that there is no more family home and you can't rent an apartment without three working-class incomes that you can't possibly attain. The only reason there isn't a mass implosion is because of those holding on to their accumulated wealth from generations ago and housing programs that prop up the ridiculous rent-seeking… sometimes. If you are a poor, you are dead in this world. Dead. The poors are made to live as if they were illegal aliens in their own country, squatting in their friends' homes. Such is life. If any of them find a place of their own, the mob of squatters comes in to wreck it, all with the tacit approval of the rent-seekers. No one could afford these rents without being selected to live, and those selected to live are just handed everything. They do not struggle. They do not.



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I come from a long line of Freemasons. I did not suspect anything until my relative went to the 33 degree then I got the following info

70% of law enforcement in USA, and UK are masons. Be ready to hide.

Please share this information with everyone you can. Be careful My family is involved in this stuff. So I know what Im talking about. Im currently in big danger. So this is a real war and not a game. Our futures and freedom are at stake.
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>>24018
I heard Nikocado started his career as sort a joke/whim.
All the people morally obsessing over him because of his obesity are the reason why shock jock artists exist

People are addicted to indignation. And that addiction to indignantion is what fuels self-righteousness.

Everyone thinks to themselves "That could never be me. I'm too smart/mature for this". And then it happens. They fell into a rut and are desperate for saving face. This is the problem with LeftyPol.
They all whine about the right being hypocrites and cringe lords, yet their own camp does the same shit.

LeftyPol whines about "women are gold diggers". They whine about certain ethnic minorities being troublesome (Indians in this case).
They go hysterical over entertainment franchises having canon-reboot sequels.
Alot of them are NEETs or semi-NEETs who think they're owed free money for being miserable bastards.

>>24021
So that's why Nietzsche says "God is dead and we killed Him"?
Of course, Christians take it out of context and frame it as an attack against their religion.

>thread about the power and danger of freemasonry gets derailed into schizobabble about aliens and a discussion of christianity
Wasn't convinced about a masonic conspiracy until I saw this thread and noticed masons scrambling to divert. Trotsky and Molotov were right. Communists must kill all freemasons.

>>24034
Some of our early post-Revolutionary War American presidents were anti-Masons.

kill yourself now



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The marketplace of ideas and great men also move history, it's just that in a way that is less important than materialism.

Without a Marx noticing everything and spreading his ideas, we wouldn't be here. And without great men like Lenin or Mao things would also be drastically different. What put everything in motion was the material conditions so it's always the most important thing, but the material conditions create ideas and great men.

It's the reason the bourgeoisie is constantly creating anti proletarian myths like "self made man" or whatever. The ruling class uses ideas as a weapon, and while ultimately material conditions will make even the most stubborn idiots realize the truth, ideas can delay it from happening, and so can important leading figures like Donald Trump who has been a retard-whisperer for some time now.
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>>24348
>Why was Marx able to come up with his theory of history?
hegel.

>>24348
>why was marx able to come up with his theory of history?
Because he was smart and worked hard

>>24345
what an actual retard.

>>24351
lmfao

imagine believing theres a "marxist method of looking at things". marx did regular science, not some philosophical gibberish



 

Hello comrades. I have doubts about materialism since the philosophical part of Marxism isn't my strength, but I want to be able to understand it better since materialism is the foundation of marxist theory and the communist movement.
I've had arguments in the past with people who claim that modern science doesn't prove materialism or that materialism cannot explain things like the origin of the universe or quantum mechanics. Well, where do I begin with this? Is materialism the truth? The most basic part of marxist philosophy is the assertion that matter is objectively real, right? How do I prove this then? Maybe one of you STEMlords around here can help me out with this. Any resources on this is appreciated.
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Perhaps I dont understand materialism, scientific value, communism, marxism, or what you mean
but
The way I see it, materialism is all that matters because its all that can be proved to exist
>inb4 solipsism brain in a jar shit, I dont care if my house isnt actually real, I have performed numerous repeat experiments by living in it and all evidence points toward corporeality
I guess this is one of those things that can be really easy to bring into a navel gazing circlejerk about what is reality, what is real, etc, like in the same vein as Last Thursdayism where technically you could have been created a few days ago and it just so happens that all your memories are generally pretty accurate and also congruous with reality moving forwards

Bumping this one

>>20840
Why?

Have we discovered a "scientific value" of commodity? Ten yards of linen gets you ten scientifics. Balderdash !





 

Okay, let's try this. I would try making this sort of a general threads for a few weeks, then we'd see if they became popular and maybe mods would make /psrg/ a permanent thread.

Thread inteded as a containment place for a discussion of all things religious since I had noticed there was an infestation of a low-quality religious discussion threads recently.

Let's start with the building of a reading list about religion and spirituality from a marxist/general socialist perspective, shall we?
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>>24578
>machine to tell you what to think, that is on you or whatever pedagogy you received that insisted on turning off your own sense and reason. Computers don't "make" you do that simply by existing or carrying out their instructions.

It can if it affects the information that our sense and reason depends on. For what we call sense and reason are heavily dependent on information that we previously know of. Communism was developed on the understanding of past economic events and history. Adam smith capitalism was based on his analysis on britain history and other things.
The ruling class can simply just modify the computers ai and etc to promote answers that can modify such information. Make it so that this information is biased or in favor of the ruling class ideology. And when the internet, computer or ai is made in such a way to be pro ruling ideology information. Then how can a lot of people be able to use sense, logic and reason to see the truth, if the information that the logic and reasoning uses is mainly pro ruling ideology?
And yes people in the past didnt need to know much. But the information that they did know affect their sense and reasoning. It still affected their plans, their decision making and etc. And we can know this since the ruling ideologies of the past, christianity, confucianism and etc did affect the populations thinking. It shaped how they viewed the world.

>>24578
>Human beings, for themselves, have to maintain some fidelity to the actual world we live in,
Also theres a severe issue with this. Yes humans have to maintain some connection to the actual world. However that connection is quite limited.
Humans, just like in the past, are mostly going to be connected to their local communties. Human also are mainly limited in knowing about things happening in their life span. Thus human viewpoints will be very limited
As such this leaves numerous blank spots which would require exterior sources of information. And this is where the propaganda thing I mentioned here comes in. >>24583
This situation would give a lot of power to the ruling class to use ai computers and etc to shape human viewpoints. For in these blank spots, the ruling class would mainly have monopoly of information. Information which would shape the sense and reason of human beings.

>>24583
Every computer, every algorithmic program, is predictable and can be understood in principle by the user. We expect programs to do particular things, and can ask what the machine is doing even if we don't have a disassembled source code and full knowledge. We never once believe the computer is actually magic, and that is what the ruinous pedagogy insists we HAVE to do. The computer is a machine, and not a particularly complicated machine. So too is the network of these computers fairly simple to understand, even if the number of agents and the command and control of superior users is not immediately known.

I write more about this in The Retarded Ideology. I'm re-reading the first book and I find it remarkable just how well I set up these arguments for the future books, looking specifically at the mechanism-vitalism "debate".

If you're talking about censorship and total control of information, that is handled ultimately by a very human source that insists on forced ignorance. There are many people who are partisans of this forced ignorance, who have resorted to terror and torture to insist information works in the way you believe. All of those people are not made of magic nor possess any special power. They are made of flesh and blood, possessing the same basic knowledge process as any human, and for any of their plans to be realized they can only operate with machinery much as we do. They do not receive any "super-science" or "super-technology" that allows them alone this power, or grants to their machines special power.

The method of information control deployed today is not inscrutable or "unknowable". It is actually painfully predictable. Its "secret" is that it can deploy in any arena an unbearable degree of shrieking and humiliation, so that the public of any and all countries will be cowed into submission. This is the standard Germanic pattern of behavior, because they insist people need to "respect" their disgusting race and their stupid warmongering habit.

>>24584
Humans maintain enough connection to the actual world when their life and future depend on it. If the ruling elite did not invade our homes, break up our families, brag about exterminating and humiliating us openly every day, I doubt the people would care at all if the world is ruled by an oligarchy of rich people or a despot, or hold any particular notion of what society should be in the abstract. The people never valued freedom or a republic, and given the history of those claims, why would they ever value a thing that has only demanded they sacrifice something new every so often? The only thing that kept the peace in the older society is that governments largely did leave the common people to live their life, and delegating slavery and exploitation to private owners.

The great event that brings about "real modernity" is the American Civil War and the end of chattel slavery. The slave power and its allies sought a new way to hold slaves, and the outcome of the war effectively established state slavery and the power of institutions to do what the slave trade did before. The rewritten narrative of history, the one being imposed on reality now, is that immediately after 1865, the corporate state immediately imposed state slavery and this was automatically and "naturally" accepted, and no one could actually have opposed slavery in principle or held any other value regarding exploitation. The true history of the war and the wars that would come after is much larger, involving many competing factions that wanted the future to be things that were all irreconcilable with each other, and could not be agreed upon by any polity. Some wanted world peace, some wanted the great revelation and for Jesus to come down so the Kingdom of Heaven starts, a lot just wanted to go home for food, and quite a few wanted to end the entire social experiment of modernity as it had been conducted up to then. Then of course there were those who saw the future had a long way to go, and the world could very easily be something far more compatible with life and something we would want than what we lived in.

The short of it is that the entire history of the world after 1865 is ultimately traced to the abolition of chattel slavery in America, and the aims of those who want the slave power to be fully restored and want to justify and glorify the slave system. This has less tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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another attempt at trying to reconcile ideology and ruthless critique? Wow how original leftists



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Hi , i'm beginner in chemistry and i want someone with kind heart to help me with studying , which authors , books you can recommend?

Sorry for my English.



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