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Why is labor allowed to be hated but not education?

Amazing how people will readily question the need for labor discipline but will get offended over questioning school discipline

Labor disciplines itself when set to some task. If you don't do the job assigned to you, if you don't pull your weight, you won't work at some place. The other workers do not want you there.

All of this was premised on the idea that workers know how to work and didn't need to be told. That is the most basic rule. The workers in charge means exactly that; that there is a body among the workers that handles disciplinary action.

The moment you introduce some technocratic management from outside, where the incentives are not the workers' own, you've already detracted from the task of labor itself. This is how you shit up a workplace, create intrigues, and get the slaves to attack each other. It's always for that purpose. It is premised on the belief that workers are evil and stupid and will just destroy everything if they're not managed by a boss that is detached from labor and sees labor as a purely desultory and miserable act.

Sadly, the mangers were proven true, and this happened mostly because the workers really were evil, because they were taught that evil is stronger than any goodness in the world. If workers do not want society, then what exactly are they doing among society? The genuine aim of the laboring classes is to be free of overbearing management, and they will work towards that aim. Once established, they turned viciously against other workers and the lowest class, having established security for themselves and their buddies. There is no law of labor itself or "law of nature" that required this to happen. That is how history for humans turned out, for reasons humans understood well but that "the theory" insisted wasn't happening as it was happening.

If however the question assumes that workers do this purely out of incompetence rather than malice, that is a faulty assumption. Anyone who works learns by heart what is necessary for whatever work task they are set to. If they do not know this, they will have to learn, or they will surely sink. The malice of labor against other laborers was already established in humanity since time immemorial. What management desired was to intensify that malice and glorify it, naturalize it, and essentialize it. If that was accomplished, then any impulse of the workers to band together out of necessity would be permanently negated—and so it was done, and the workers could only watch as they were set against each other by intrigues and schemes, and then were told it was illegal Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

There's more to discipline than punishing misbehavior. It's more a question of how to effectively motivate workers to work more.

>>12574
>Of course more remuneration for working longer hours and odd hours is something to be kept. And it makes sense to have some element in the salary that is performance-based as long as that performance can be unambiguously measured. Like carrying sacks… I have to admit I don't think most jobs are unambiguous like that. Some bonus might be distributed by co-workers voting on who should get it.
You are a social democrat

>>24181
The right of the producers is proportional to the labor they supply; the equality consists in the fact that measurement is made with an equal standard, labor.

But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time; and labor, to serve as a measure, must be defined by its duration or intensity, otherwise it ceases to be a standard of measurement. This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor.

Here's a primer on Anarkata and contemporary black anarchism.

Afrofuturist Abolitionists of the Americas

Anarkata: A Statement
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anarkata

Diggin’ In: On the Nature of Black Power (An Intro To Anarkata Thought)
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/afrofuturist-abolitionists-of-the-americas-diggin-in-on-the-nature-of-black-power

Mapping our Legacy: The Narrative of Black Freedom Struggle
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-mapping-our-legacy


Black Autonomy Federation
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Pan-Africanism is really Utopian at this point in time. You might as well be talking about pan-slavism or pan-orientalism or pan-Indianism(whatever the term for the subcontinent would be) or pan-Latinoism. If you were to say any of these others it seems immediately farcical but people always want to LARP about pan-Africanism for some reason.

>>23568
>CRT and Black Feminism
Bougie Liberal Navel-Gazing. This thread is about BLACK LIBERATION under SCIENTIFIC SOCIALISM not vapid idpol analysis

https://archive.iww.org/history/library/Jackson/copinyourhead/

This deserves a read even if just for the coining of the word negrosie

>>23527
Harry Hayward has some good truth nukes https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Library:Against_Bourgeois-Liberal_Distortions_of_Leninism_on_the_Negro_Question_in_the_United_States

>>22527
>trying to appeal to people's pre-existing moral values by showing that Christianity agrees, in order to convert them to Christianity
what does your religion offer in terms of ideas then? xD I'm already perfectly Christian I guess, no need to learn anything new or do anything about it

Of course in identifying as a christian you identify with other real people, and you come together to reinforce your shared ideas, and this gives a sense of social validation, which is the real desire catered to by religion. Validation. That's kind of pathetic if you really think about it. Billions of people seeking reassurance that their irrational, repressive beliefs are right. And look, the all-knowing man agrees with us and supports our irrational beliefs! How could anyone disagree with us?

>Being a Christian is a calming experience in some way.
Of course. Because you have can perfect certainty in your beliefs, values, and actions because the all-good all-knowing entity is backing you. Don't mind that you can't verify its existence, believing in things with no proof is also a virtue! Y'all are living under the cultivated hallucination of an all-powerful, all-good, all-knowing replacement for daddy and mommy. It's a psychopathology. Straight to jail.

>Christianity is compatible with a leftwing worldview
I invite anyone who falls for this shit to read Henryk Grossmans essay on Christian and Religious Socialism. It can be found in the second volume of his collected works. It goes through a history of attempts to merge Socialism with christianity throughout europe. It paints a bleak picture. It's basically a form of tailism. It's probably good to go to the masses wherever they congregate, with no special discrimination against religious congregations, but we have no use for calling our morals (that we already know are right!) christian morals, or making up immaterial forces that we can imagine cheerleading our every word and deed. It only waters down the potency of our message and we will be fought against by clergy every step of the way, since religious institutions are not democratic. Along with that religion fosters cross-class community and preaches to a cross-class audience, and thus preaches bourgeois values and a class unity message [and for pePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>22527
>I think whether you're religious or not Christianity has plenty of universal values
Not really no. It doesn't say anything that prior societies didn't already come up with. Christians really love appropriating concepts that are either obvious or much older than Christianity.
And, obviously, God isn't real. Jesus, assuming he was actually a real person, was not divine. The basis of the religion is false, the values it provides are either redundant or harmful. It should be cast off. It's an ancient religion from another land, it has no value to us.

Christianity has been the global religion since the fifteenth century. All the universal values of Christianity are found in older beliefs

yes please

can anyone recommend me lit on christian socialism? what version of the bible can I reference most succinctly and with the best reliability to scripture?

my personal view is I absolutely do not believe in the divinity or at least the omnipotence of god, but I believe jesus was 1000% commanding the proclamation of socialism as both a personal and social mandate, and was incredibly based, and we don't need god for that anyways

and never underestimate the power of christianity to mainline westoid brains into radicalism

thank you comrades, let his truth go marching on

Anax

Ispahsalar

Heresiarch or Arch-Heretic

The Field of Blood

>>24114
Ok ? Theres at least one hundred more that say the opposoite.

>Why do adults always say that newer generations are less literate when kids nowadays read and type more text than any other era?
Don’t read primary sources, books, they read in other ways

>Also, most adults are incapable of remembering let alone appreciating any academic material and they're not held in contempt for it. Yet kids are morally burdened with the task of academic fulfillment.
i wish I studied more as a kid. Fuck its hard now, what I’d learn in school in a day now would take me a week of study
>Meanwhile, we are seeing less industrial and social skills present in the prime age population
I’m desperately seeking a blue collar job. Construction will be in massive demand

>>24064
Yes. They aren’t reading the BOOKS.
If they were raised to read the BOOKS we did, real history (get it before it all gets covered up), and not raised by an iphone then they would have a balanced view. There are many bazed gen A like this I hope and pray.


t. Born at the dawn of the beautiful millennium ahead of us. The next 5-10 years will be scary for the teens these days

>>24073
It’s not all about you, and your generation. The one after yours is more important than you. You will raise them.

>>24117
>Yes. They aren’t reading the BOOKS.
If they were raised to read the BOOKS we did, real history (get it before it all gets covered up), and not raised by an iphone then they would have a balanced view. There are many bazed gen A like this I hope and pray.


You know that books were considered blasphemous in the first century AD?
And they still use books in schools or use virtual school courses with extensive passages.

It's not really the media that's the problem.
Because we have hundreds of web articles showing history events that even official history books won't tell you.
If the media format was really the problem, then why was it that even before iPhones, people were complaining about academic performance tanking?

>>24117
>Yes. They aren’t reading the BOOKS.
If they were raised to read the BOOKS we did, real history (get it before it all gets covered up), and not raised by an iphone then they would have a balanced view. There are many bazed gen A like this I hope and pray.

>Don’t read primary sources, books, they read in other ways

Bruh. Even in the pre Internet days, people didn't read primary sources much.
And we have more articles and e books online than ever before with extensive reach on a lot of subjects.

>>23754
His earlier ones might be useful because they'll give you the feels vibes liberals operate with on social media.

Restarting this reading.
Apologies for the pause.

Chapter 4 next.

Chapter 4 soon

Reading chapter 4

>>24065
>I want to know if she's a lefty or not.
you are mentally retarded. you can perfectly understand marx and even write books analyzing his ideas without being a leftist. you don't need to agree to understand why do I have to explain stuff to you as if you were 10?
the point she makes is that marx didn't pay that much attention to it in his writings, but the few times he did he had a more nuanced and dynamic approach than the determinism of engels. that marx mentioned in a few essays and articles for newspapers the oppression of women, specially of working class but to some extent even of those in the dominant bourgeois class. and that he advocated for an active change of women's place in society and the replacement of the bourgeois family, even if still under capitalism, instead of passively waiting for technology and revolution to do everything

honestly I don't know why this good woman is trying to squeeze feminism out of a few passages when she understands and describes at length that marx was much more focused on the economic critique of capitalism and working class political activism. I mean, it was an interesting read but otherwise useless, I guess it could work as a base to develop a feminist line from a marxist perspective

>>24068
>you are mentally retarded.
who shat in your coco roos?

>I don't know why this good woman is trying to squeeze feminism out of a few passages
She's offering a class on family and gender through a socio-political lense, and I wanted to know if I was going to get an unessecary rehash of neoliberal feminism or an actual interesting perspective on gender. Thank you for the summary, apologies for using the wrong words to describe my intent. Will be taking her course now that I know I can actually learn something.

>>24065
Here you go, anon. It looks like she writes fiction, too