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 No.5485[Reply]

Is there such a thing yet? Philosophy about data itself, datamining, neural networks, massive surveillance, etc.
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 No.5491

Pretty weird because I was literally thinking the exact same thing this morning. You would think it’s pretty straight forward to make a dialectical analysis of the internet and its alienation and accumulation of data but it seems like no one has done it.

 No.5493

>>5491
more likely, academic philosophy (and science's philosphy) is way too obscure and not vulgarized at all, cause I would be surprised none of them thought about theorizing that shit

 No.5494

Baudrillard and Virilio

 No.5507

>>5485
philosophy of technology is your best bet. McLuhan, Packard, Mumford, Baudrillard

For specific current books on what you're talking about:
The age of surveillance capitalism
Surveillance Valley - The Secret Military History of the Internet

 No.5538

>>5507
I think OP is talking more about the internet as a culture and it’s movements. An explanation for the rise and fall of internet communities would be an interesting endeavor.



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 No.5471[Reply]

Hola /edu/!

Some leftypol regulars and I have had the idea to host a language-learning group for us all to learn together.

The language we are all interested in is Spanish, and we'll be using the Micheal Thomas course (>>1033) to learn it.

Here is the plan:

We each listen to one CD of Micheal Thomas every week.
Then on every Friday we discuss what we learned and practice it by trying to make new sentences with what we've learned as best we can.

Then, after we have completed the 'Foundations' part of said course we all switch to speaking Spanish only to keep practising what we've learned and to practice fluency.

This will all start this coming week.

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 No.5514

>>5513
Amazing thread, what is it doing on that site?

 No.5526

>>5512
Im >>5509. Id be super down to help anons learning spanish, if only to be someone you could have a conversation with. If there is a matrix server I could join or whatever Id be happy to

 No.5527

>>5526
It's in the OP comrade: https://matrix.to/#/!uDgkvHYaUmWfGUtETA:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
We would love to have you.

 No.5575

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Greeting from /ref/! Just wanted to stop by and ask how the learning is going. I am not able to join in sadly but I want to make sure it’s going good

 No.6451

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Is there a book for learning Spanish like pic related? It's entirely in latin, and starts with very simple sentences and pictures, and you end up reading poetry and weird myths in the original Latin.



 No.5457[Reply]

I thought that it might me interesting to have a research thread on Native Americans (meaning all of the American continent). I've become very interested in the subject after reading about their culture and way of life, which was much more complex than colonizers initially believed. I'll embed a video which talks about various things about pre columbian civilizations, like how the populations may have been as high as 100 million before disease wiped out many (disease likely went a head of europeans too, so what settlers saw was basically post apocalyptic). Also, what we're now finding out about how humans initially arrived is very interesting too as there were likely some migrations by boat through the pacific by Pacific Islanders, who were incredible at navigation.

 No.5458

Also crazy is how ancient mounds built by aborigines are used as part of a fucking golf course, literally Stonehenge underneath them. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/12/arts/design/octagon-earthworks-newark-ohio-golf-course-native-american.html

 No.5459

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>>5457
>which was much more complex than colonizers initially believed.
more like
>which was initially impressive and humbling to colonizers who proceeded to erase as much of it as possible because it made them feel insecure about their shitty architecture/agriculture and lack of hygiene
Early explorers tended to be impressed by the societies they encountered before disease and colonial genocide fucked it up.

People are sad about the Library of Alexandria burning, but we still have many if not most of the texts it contained there (because they "taxed" visitors by having them lend their texts to the library to copy, so it was largely not original texts). Meanwhile almost all of the writing that existed in the Americas (which most people aren't aware existed at all) was systematically destroyed by colonizers for being pagan etc.
For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_codices

Also look into the more recent LiDAR scans of land in the Americas (and other places like Angkor Wat) finding far more extensive ruins that were originally known to exist. A lot of the past is hidden under soil that accumulated above it, but with laser scanning from aircraft it's now possible to reveal it.
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/hidden-ancient-maya-city-discovered-lidar-1359307

 No.5463

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On this subject I really recommend Visión de los Vencidos (The Broken Spears in English) by Miguel León Portilla. As the title suggests, it's about the conquest of what is now Mexico as told by the Aztecs themselves

 No.5465

>>5457
Some books on Aztec philosophy and theology.



 No.5423[Reply]

Is Marxist Humanism the most correct interpretation of what Marx was getting at philosophically on the objective of communism? Marx only ever truly critiqued political economy and never focused on creating a new society and spoke of its political and economic structure because that was what utopian socialists and vulgar economists engaged in.

The goal for Marx understand the social economic relations of his time to understand why they existed in the first place and understand what bourgeois economists failed to understand in trying to create systems and economic categories to explain what they failed to get to the heart of. So the object was the liberation of the particular which would follow by liberating the social whole. The freer the individual the freer the social whole. This meant the liberation of not just the worker but also the liberation of the capitalist from their subservience to capital, which society itself created the conditions for and has created the conditions for the liberation of itself from it.
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 No.5468

is it right to say that marxist humanism links closely with social reproduction theory?

Like, obviously Capital is Marx's masterwork, but I think the problem with it alone, is that you can get too caught up in the wage labour dynamic and neglect the reproduction of the working class, which of course involves other things than wage labour, such as domestic work, the environment, culture, etc.

 No.5470

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>>5467
Proletariat Refuses interpellation from Repressive State Apparatuses

 No.5479

>>5467
He falls into positivist dogma and fails to uncover the fundamentals of ideology, unlike Zizek

 No.5518

>>5470
“For, instead of saying: ‘Fight false ideas, destroy the false ideas you have in your heads – the false ideas with which the ideology of the dominant class pulls the wool over your eyes, and replace them with accurate ideas that will enable you to join the revolutionary class’s struggle to end exploitation and the repression that sustains it!’, Action declares: ‘Get rid of the cop in your head!”

Althusser sucks ass at coming up with slogans though

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 No.5411[Reply]

I thinking i'm making the mistake of mixing postmodern thinkers and marxism without a good philosophical base. Zizek’s conception of ideology is based Lacan’s idea of the “real”, a primordial element that can not be discovered through any scientific analysis. The Orthodox marxist conception of the ideology is in relation to material reality of class relations. Ideology is what leads to “false consciousness”. Im I grasping it wrong? If Zizek doesn’t believe in the existence of an objective reality , Can he really be a marxists? Also wtf is the "lack in the symbolic Other". Can somebody help clarify?
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 No.5535

>Zizek’s conception of ideology is based Lacan’s idea of the “real”, a primordial element that can not be discovered through any scientific analysis.
Real positivist hours.

 No.5554

>>5534
Lacan's subject: the imaginary, language, the real and philosophy - Bert Olivier

Relations of the Real in Lacan, Bataille and Blanchot - Fred Botting

Some academic articles I looked up

 No.5555

Check out plastic pills

 No.5556

>>5534
> What you're saying here sounds more like the imaginary.
I don’t think so

 No.5573

Zizek is a materialist (this makes him a valid enough Marxist in my eyes in this context), as in he believes the world actually exists outside of humans. He doesn't believe in the existence of objective reality in the sense that "truth" doesn't exist, >>5412 like this post said science isn't "fact", it is this interrogation process. He realises that our conception of material reality is warped by ideology and that this is inescapable in its entirety.
>They don't know it but they are doing it

>What is lack in the symbolic Other

This shit I find incomprehensible without context, just read Zizek and these ideas will slowly reveal themselves. (however some other intro Lacan/Freud reading seems like it would help you a lot).
>>5534
Good post.slavojSlavoj



 No.5410[Reply]

What's a good book on one of the most epic moment in the history of communism: the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution?
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 No.5420

And Mao Makes Five

 No.5421

>>5416
>>5417
>>5418
Found it tank you comrades

 No.5460

On a somewhat off topic note, what other theory material is similar in style to mao? I find his collected works to be very easy to understand and read, so I wondering if there are any other writers who’ve made books in an easy style.

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 No.5464

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>>5460
I find that the majority of Maoist (MLM) authors I have read follow Mao's own style of readability over academic prose.

The most obvious recommendations for individual theorists in that sphere are:
>Jose-Maria Sison
>J. Moufawad-Paul
>K. Murali (Ajith)
>Pao-Yu Ching

All of which have their works available on foreignlanguages.press digitally or in print.

Of course, the works of the Communist Party of Peru, The Philippines and India (Maoist) all seem to follow said writing style and are well worth everyone's time.ndfpNDFP



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 No.5408[Reply]

I became interested in understanding the phenomenon of anti-semitism from a materialist perspective, this discussion will proceed from Karl Kautsky's perspective of its origin, laid out in "Are the Jews a Race?".
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/kautsky/1914/jewsrace/ch06.htm
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/kautsky/1914/jewsrace/ch07.htm
These two chapters from Karl Kautsky's "Are the Jews a Race?" trace the long journey of the Jewish people from their homeland in Palestine to the European diaspora, at which point they lacked a territory/administration of their own. Kautsky explains how Jews were integrated into the feudal economy in certain roles, primarily those suited to cities and outside of artisanal production (which was regulated by guilds). These roles happened to be non-productive roles of mediation, like trade, financial roles, and intellectual roles. There were exceptions and variations across Europe, but due to religious pressures, social norms, and rules, they were largely prevented from assimilation. The economic role of the Jews was reified by the racialists as innate aspects, and this forms the basis for anti-semitism. Therefore, through a materialist analysis, which discovers that social groups are determined by material circumstances and not innate qualities, it becomes plain that anti-semitism is opposed to materialism.

Please share your thoughts on alternative explanations for anti-semitism, especially in its modern form. At this point, Jewish people are assimilated into production at a high degree, to the point where the average person cannot distinguish them as a group. Could it just be a feudal remnant? There needs to be a new theory to explain phenomenon of anti-semitism under present conditions.


 No.5406[Reply]

I want to get into easter/soviet marxism

What authors should I read?
Why is eastern marxism so obscure for us?
What are some ideas developed by eastern marxist thinkers I should know of?
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 No.5414

>>5413
>Legal Theory
>Obscure Subject

Is it now? That's news to me

 No.5456

>>5413
>Giving a marxist theory of LAW is an obscure subject.

Edvard Kardelj, Reminiscences: The struggle for recognition and independence of the new Yugoslavia, 1944

Edvard Kardelj: Democracy and socialism

Edvard Kardelj: Problems of socialist policy in the countryside

Edvard Kardelj: THE SYSTEM OF PLANNING IN A SOCIETY OF SELF-MANAGEMENT: BRIONI DISCUSSIONS

Edvard Kardelj: Self-management and the Political System

Tito: https://www.marxists.org/archive/tito/1939/x01/x01.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/tito/1950/06/26.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/tito/1957/06/25.htm

 No.6363

>>5409
Read Vyshinsky instead.
https://archive.org/details/lawofthesovietst008593mbplenin_capLenin Cap

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 No.6830

>>5406
>Obscure
I mean just read Lenin and Stalin's main works as well as Mao and his contemporaries.

As for why some of it is obscure? Because there are pragmatic policies that ignore moralistic outcries that Western Liberals don't like and do their best to suppress or attack if they cannot suppress it.



 No.5393[Reply]

I'm a 100% Debordian doomerism cuck and the only thing i've read from Foucault is Discipline and Punish which I didn't even finish. I don't understand why he gets so much shit from everyone.
His writing style is pretty simple and I don't think he says anything absurdly stupid.
I've tried reading Forget Foucault but it's inaccessible even by Baudrillard standards.
Can someone give me a quick rundown? And what's your opinion on him? Is it true that he basically became a neoliberal at the end of his life?
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 No.5455

He gave support to neoliberalism cuz "less state power is good for freedumbz"

 No.5469

Foucault is generally well respected in the academy these days

now if you want to talk about someone who is underrated, it's Bourdieu

 No.5503

>>5450
>modes of production are not control units.
All that is solid melts into air…

 No.5528

Because he was a pedo lol



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 No.5385[Reply]

"The Juche idea is a man-centered world outlook. It is a revolutionary, scientific, and political theory that accurately illumines the way for realizing the independence of the masses." - Kim Jong Il

Discuss the Juche idea, it's merits, similarities and distinctions from Marxism Leninism, post pdfs, videos, documentaries, and other educational material for coming to a proper understanding of the Juche idea and it's implications. I'll start off the thread with what is often described as the authoritative text for laying out the philosophical and socio-historical principles of the Juche idea, "On The Juche Idea" by Kim Jong Il.

https://korea-dpr.com/lib/Kim%20Jong%20Il%20-%204/ON%20THE%20JUCHE%20IDEA.pdf
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 No.5718

>>5717
More texts on Juche

 No.5719

Texts about Songun

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