The Rate of Profit: Rising or Falling Anonymous 16-04-23 01:18:39 No. 16619 [Reply]
The Rate of Profit: Rising or Falling? Recently discovered there is a debate within Marxist economics that Marx had it incorrect, rather than rate of profit falling, due to capitalist technological innovation, cost-cutting and wage stagnation the Rate of Profit will rise, theorized by marxist economist Nobu Okishio. Your thoughts?
18 posts and 3 image replies omitted. Anonymous 17-11-25 11:31:25 No. 25382
>>25381 One possible counterexample to funny line going down in aggregate that is funny except for the people eating each other in the streets (if it's not done sensibly with communism) is an enormous peak at 2040 because there's still the 2065-2075 implied by linear mapping of the peaks to 2075
Anonymous 17-11-25 14:01:42 No. 25383
>>25381 Never mind when humanoid robots would be useful. The problem with any such machine is that humans are cheaper and will always be cheaper. A fleet of robots requires regular service, engineers, managers. Also, you will find that how the robots are disciplined and managed is basically the same thing a manager would do to a human.
All of this talk has been an masturbatory fantasy of the petty-managerial fags, and they are fags. Anyone in management who is smart knows this idea will not work and is superfluous anyway. It would be cheaper to pay the humans their vacation time and let them have nice things again than to do this.
Anonymous 17-11-25 14:08:59 No. 25384
Now you may say "you can't treat humans like machines!!!111". The problem is, we did that. That was the dominant idea of the 20th century, and the whole society was organized on the idea that humans would be mechanical, thinking, rational actors. Any human who wasn't a "rational actor" regarding a clearly monstrous system was shamed and told they were guilty of numerous crimes that are not actual crimes, while these same honest humans saw murderers and rapers glorified by the same managers who did this to them. If you actually did treat humans like machines for productive use, you would not have done the insane, Satanic thing that was done in the 20th century. Again, it would have been cheaper to give the human machines their vacation time, and not lie to them about everything with the utmost contempt. So much of the pointless, cruel suffering of the past 100 years resulted from nothing more than pig-headed, malicious ignorance of the managers and the political class, who ignored that humans have actual material and spiritual wants. Those humans were told "you're just machines, you're just animals", again while being told they have to exalt murderers and rapers. All of this has always an exultant shouting of the eugenists, of political elitists, and other such faggotry. It is not a reasonable plan for society and it was built so that humanity would never, ever know what that is like. With all of that said, if you did have humanoid robots, or more generally effective multi-tasking autonomous robots capable of either thinking in a way similar to humans or at least a worth emulation of such, those robots would not replace humans. They would work alongside humans, and every worker would either command or be integrated with robotic workers (both of which amount to the same thing, since all of the work tasks these robots do exist to serve some human interest… the robots are not doing this for their own existence or some sense of themselves, and before you say "you can't say that is a given about humans", clearly the petty-managerial fags and ruling elite do this to perpetuate their own existence at our expense, and they take sadistic delight in telling us we're selected to die and that we will never be allowed anything ever again. The sadism was the soul of petty-managerialism more than any productive outcome the sadism made for the world.
Anonymous 17-11-25 14:09:50 No. 25385
Above all, the petty-managerial dogma insists that workers must be severed forcibly from their tools, from all connection to reality. It is a wholly Satanic cosmology. This is obviously a failed system, but none of us are allowed to say no to it.
Anonymous 17-11-25 14:11:53 No. 25386
One other thing about a robotic co-worker; it would be the bestest buddy a human worker could ever have, if it weren't programmed by disgusting assholes. Robots are cool and don't start stupid shit for drama. Amazingly, of all of the ways humans were made into robots, they didn't think to suppress the obviously disgusting backstabbing behavior of humans. Instead the machine essentialized every malicious thing humans did and insisted you were supposed to "respect" it, so that fag managers can keep stealing more stuff and hiring their buddies.