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 No.4756[Reply]

I have been never exposed to philosophy out of religion, but I beated the religion with thinking,
I want to learn from zero to all the way into marx, make a reading road for me
>pic unrelated
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 No.4758

>>4756
If you really want to start from zero, you have to start with the greeks. You can skip between the greeks and marx.

History of Philosophy from Copplestone is good. It has like 11 volumes lol, but the first one is the most important.

You can also listen to History Of Philosophy without any gaps. It's really good.

After that, IMO reading some secondary lit on hegel is key.

Then read Marx. If you're not too interested in the economic stuff, you can skip vol 2 and 3 of Capital. There's a lot to read.

At this point you should be radicalized. It is honestly hard not to see things as Marx and Hegel saw them.
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 No.4761

Anti-Duhring was the main introduction for people in ML parties for a long time, so it's a good start imo. Lot of stuff about what dialectical materialism means that western marxists miss.
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 No.5054

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>>4757
fixed spelling
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 No.5055

>>5054
Imagine reading Manufacturing Consent instead of Inventing Reality
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 No.5056

>>5054
just noticed you have Erich Fromm on there fucking based


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 No.5042[Reply]

Requesting books on the U.S Intelligence community, especially the CIA and NSA. I'm interested in their history, anything they've been involved with, how they work etc. From a leftist perspective would be appreciated as well. Currently reading Surveillance Valley by Yasha Levine, which is pretty good for some basic observation and history.
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 No.5044

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 No.5045

>>5044
thanks fam, you know any related to the black panther party? i know fbi did a lot of fuckery with em
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 No.5052

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>>5045
See Newton's PhD thesis on why the BPP fell like it did because of COINTELPRO


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 No.4837[Reply]

Any parents here? Please recommend books for 7-14yo kids that aren't lib shit (i.e. most of the Amazon top and NYT bestsellers).

Not explicitly leftist, just some fiction and non-fiction that isn't based in liberal worldview like picrelated.
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 No.4906

>>4837
kids that age should be reading dystopian fiction and pulp fiction i.e. Huxley, Orwell, Sherlock Holmes, HP Lovecraft
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 No.4907

>>4854
seconding Isaac Asimov
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 No.4919

>>4859
You could watch the movie. It's dazzling trash.
I'll tl;dr:

First part of the story is Pi being all "omg, does god exist, does it not????" meeting with absolute retards to discuss this matter. A big revealing moment is when Pi goes to the zoo and sees "the worlds most dangerous animal", and it's a mirror, ie humans.

Second part of the book, Pi has a fantastic journey stranded in the Ocean with animals. There's a lion too. The lion is dangerous and eats animals Pi likes.

Third part of the book: Pi is rescued and it is revealed that the animals were actually humans, but Pi needed to COPE and made them animals. The description of what actually went down is extremely vulgar and disgusting.

The final kicker and "ah-ha!" insight moment is when the audience is asked if they prefer the better story (the one with animals and the lion in the middle of the ocean), or the real story (that the animals represented real humans, and the lion was a cook that was insane). The analogy is that "the better story" is pledging fealty to pedophiliac bloodthirsty reactionary religion while "the real story" is atheism, which we are supposed to think as viscerally disgusting (the worst animal is the human, and the insane cannibalistic cook's actions are basically atheism).

When I read it in highscool, there were a bunch of people who said they preferred "the better story". I was a staunch atheist back then. I saw that as an extremely grotesque acceptance that their belief in religion is literally COPE because they would rather not believe in "the real story". For a moment, I was considering the possibility that the book was written by an atheist to expose the religious as retards through 1D chess. But after a lot of classmates chose "the better story" and after analysis I realized it was filled with retarded arguments "supporting" atheism in the first part, I realized it was a retarded COPE of the highest caliber. I was an idiot back then, I can only imagine what other bullshit I'd find if I read it today.
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 No.4969

>>4919
>First part of the story is Pi being all "omg, does god exist, does it not????"
His final conclusion about this was some nonsense about simultaneously following Hinduism Islam and Christianity.
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 No.5047

For nonfiction there is Talking to My Daughter About the Economy by Yanis Varoufakis. Good read for teens about, well, the economy.


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 No.3697[Reply]

Does anybody have a EPUB or a pdf(although a epub is preferred) of pic related. On a Zer0books binge at the moment
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 No.5023

bump
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 No.5024

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>>3697
pdf and epub
found on b-ok
protip, search "b-ok !" on duck duck go, usually takes you to a working mirror.
same with
"libgen !"
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 No.5025

>>3697
Which zerobooks have you read and are there any ones focusing on economic analysis you would recommend?
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 No.5026

>>5025
Not OP, but "Capitalist Realism" is imo the best book that ZeroBooks has published.

>are there any ones focusing on economic analysis


Economics isn't really their strong suit, so idk of any books. I don't like ZeroBooks in general. They come across as petty, sectarian shitheads. And Doug is a retard beyond belief
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 No.5027

>>5024
Not OP but the title catches my interest. Thanks comrade


 No.776[Reply]

ITT we post links and pdfs to critical or constructive takes on Cockshott and cybersocialism, as well as works or authors who wrote in the fields of cybernetics, systems theory, or operational research in general.

>>>/leftypol/438911

>>>/leftypol/438923
>>701
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 No.4471

>>4452
>Khozraschet
Curious what's this term in English and what's It's etymology?
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 No.4980

>>776
Does someone have "How the World Works: The Story of Human Labor from Prehistory to the Modern Day" by Paul Cockshott in .pdf? It's his new book.
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 No.4990

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>>4980
I have got the epub version, if you absolutely want it in pdf, you can always convert it in calibre.
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 No.4991

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>>4980
Here you go, anon.
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 No.5022

>>4991
Thank you very much, anon.


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 No.4337[Reply]

There are people who spend their entire lives reading Hegel and still manage to come out empty handed.


ITT we discuss the great thinker, Karl Marx's teacher, and he on who's shadow we walk:

Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

1. What are good things to read/view to get an understanding of Hegel from a philosophical neophyte?

2. What service can Hegel's philosophy provide us today?

3. What an be done to make Hegel more accessible to the masses? Why is it so unpenetrable?
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 No.5014

>>4372
Something I have advised since the old Leftypol around 2015: understand that Hegel's dialectics, and Marx's by extension, are not useful in the way people tell you and that many want to believe. It is a method for grasping concepts and the thinking of them (arguments) as one singular concept. This allows you to see the epistemological, ontological, and semantic problems of concepts which are used to organize our experience of the world as knowledge. Dialectics has no purpose beyond this.

Also, the method is not detailed because in many ways telling you before you go through the concretion process will rob you of the very thing which certifies for you the proof of the method's truth.

>>4488
Hegel makes contradiction intelligible, and explains becoming in a very different way to Heraclitus.


Honestly, if you want to know dialectic, you need look no further than the first chapter of Capital. Unless you are interested in Hegel for himself, you waste your time chasing after an illusion called the dialectical method to an equal illusion of it being for anything other than concept thinking.
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 No.5018

>>5014
I don't know if you know Lacan, but if you wanted to put it in those could you say that dialectics is a way of relegating master-signifiers to the status of mere signifiers? that's my understanding based on the introduction of the Phenomenology where he discusses "inert determinations" and how breaking them and turning the familiar into concepts rather than "points for starting and stopping"
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 No.5019

>>5018
*in those terms
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 No.5020

>>5018
I don't know anything about Lacan, but I can say that the purpose is not to dethrone any concept in any sense. Part of the purpose is a test of 'absoluteness' of a thought in revealing its immanent conditionality.

All thought has this conditional character except for one: the process of thought thinking itself, i.e. reason or logic. Every possible concept drives itself to the recognition that it is only a concept, and that it is only a finite form of the infinite universal concept of thinking itself.
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 No.5021

>>5020
Ok, that makes sense. thanks


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 No.2940[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hello comrades. I propose a general thread in an attempt to get the /edu/ ball rolling again. Everytime you visit /edu/, post in this thread. Tell us about what you're thinking about, what you're reading, an interesting thing you have learned today, anything! Just be sure to pop in and say hi.
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 No.4993

>>4975
Up to around 1933 Carr's History of Soviet Russia is great.
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 No.4994

Am currently reading Capital vol I., together with Harvey's companion, frenchies' Reading Capital and Heinrich's Introduction to 3 volumes of Capital.
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 No.4995

i'm from a poor family of brown mud people how do i become educated enough to slay the wh*te bougie menace with a flick of my tongue

I just got done reading Wage Labour and Capitol over the course of a week on my lunch breaks at work, might have to read it again as Marx is pretty obtuse at times.

I think I would benefit a lot from seeing the things Marx talks about from a different perspective, as what he says in WG&C is pretty intuitively obvious if you've had a job but I can't help but feel everything he asserts is just a bunch of made up bullshit
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 No.5015

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>>4995
Supremely based. Best of luck comrade. Marx can be obtuse but he was well known for being able to completely dessimate people in debates, his body of work can't be understated here. Just read a Capital summary tbh. Then some more political work if you're interested in destroying people, Critique of the Gotha program, Origin of the Family is good too. Can't be understated though that destroying people comes from a long self education where you gain lots of knowledge and think deeply about a wide array of topics


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 No.4981[Reply]

If I write an essay, theory and shit like that where do I post it and share it? Is there even an audience for mad leftist rants?
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 No.4986

in the short term: posting them as threads is fun.
(80% of the replies will suck and annoy you, but there's usually a 20% of good discussion that you can focus on.)
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 No.4988

>>4985
>the only option will be wordpress
There are other solutions for blogging out there. Look into noblogs.org, for example. You can also set up your own thing pretty easily using Github/Gitlab Pages, neocities and others, if you're a bit more tech inclined (though using these doesn't require much knowledge at all, really). In my experience, these aren't very moderation heavy platforms, and you can getting away with saying whatever you want as long you're not doing anything illegal.
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 No.4989

Why not just post it here or >>>/edu/?
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 No.4992

>>4986
makes sense, I will feel like I'm spamming but seems the way to go
>>4988
Noblogs seems intimidating, and I'm not technically inclined enough to even use neocities.
Still not being too moderation heavy is nice I will never overcome the fear of persecution
>>4989
We're on /edu/ already, you came from the overboard? I love when people comes form the overboard and misses what board is the thread in like >>>/games/2112 absolute comedy
but yeah I already have a thread here and not many care but I could try posting here
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 No.5013

>>4992
>Noblogs seems intimidating
It's just WordPress with a bunch of themes. The only caveat is that you sign up with an email from an activist provider like riseup.


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 No.4925[Reply]

I had the displeasure of listening to the audiobook version of this shit during my commutes the last few months and I must say this is liberalism at it's purest and clearest form.
The book was designer for general audiences so it never goes in deep about what do right or wrong mean, why are things right or wrong or any other analysis about ethics themselves the essays are just a really polite "I'm right and you're wrong" which in the end made the author: Peter Singer, come out like an absolute retarded who only got into philosophy so people will have to listen to his retarded opinions.
What really offends me it's that behind all its stupidity I saw the core of liberalism, absolute ignorance on material conditions and a very strong belief that people are responsible of everything they do. There are essays where Singer struggles to understand why rich people care more about showing their social status than donating to charity and imagines this ideal world where "donating to charity will be the biggest showcase of status" without explaining how would that world come to be and why it doesn't exist already, it's just a really polite rant that rich people are not engaging in noblesse oblige. Like wise Singer; a vegan, protests the mistreatment of animals mean for meat consumption, he cites the testimonial of a farm worker who had a bad experience artificially inseminating a turkey but a no point he ever feels that a human should not work on such conditions in the first place.
After all of that I released that consoomerism is the natural conclusion of liberalism because liberal really believe that other people are not liberal because they have not consoomed the right movies or the right ted talks and that material conditions and life experiences do not matter, Singer just expects that after reading this book you will become a vegan because how right he is about everything.
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 No.4926

That sounds exactly like what I'd expect from a liberal professor of ethics. To add to the "consumerism is liberalism", it's not just about the media they consume, but the whole "vote with your wallet" thing. Consume the right products and we will have utopia eventually.
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 No.4927

>>4926
Yes, he makes several "vote with your wallet" arguments across the books but they're never too prominent.
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 No.4979

Ethics in the real world is Singers worst book, its literally just various columns he wrote for newspapers and magazines collated into one volume. I've read some of his other work where while I don't agree with everything he at least puts it across far better. Most libs tend to hate him too because he takes a lot of viewpoints to a logical endpoint up to and including advocating infanticide and they don't like having to realise what their views result in.


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 No.4359[Reply]

How does this make you feel?
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 No.4964

>>4963
read Marx
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 No.4965

>>4963
>>4964
I woud recomned to start with:
1) [E] The Principles of Communism https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
2) [M/E] Manifesto of the Communist Party https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm
3) [M] Value, Price and Profit https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1865/value-price-profit/index.htm
4) [E] On Authority https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm
5) [M] Critique of the Gotha Programme https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/index.htm
6) [M] Wage Labour and Capital https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm
7) [E] On Anti-Semitism https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/04/19.htm

Not Marx or Engels but also interesting:
[Albert Einstein] Why Socialism? https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism

>"Without revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary movement."

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 No.4970

>>4965
I was going to say the debates with Bruno Bauer but shoot your shot anon
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 No.4972

>>4482
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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 No.4977

>>4958
The dominant anglo strains of christianity are protestant and thus far bigger on making people read the bible. Its a catholic take.


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