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What the fuck are they? Every time a Marxist attempts to explain them it's like a Haskell programmer attempting to explain Monads.
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>I need to read irrelevant philosopher to understand other IP to understand another IP to understand the guy who correctly rubbished and critiqued them all
Come on.

if we look at etymology, we can see that the word originally comes from the greek "dialektikē" (διαλεκτική), which refers to the art of discussion. this meaning is similar to dialog (διάλογος); dia-log(os). if we take sources from plato, we can see that he employs "dialectic" in this way:
<"And what would you call someone who knows how to ask and answer questions? Wouldn’t you call him a dialectician?" [cratylus, 390c]
yet, dialectic to plato is not merely a mode of communication, but the process of gaining knowledge by its mode of inquiry,
<"What mechanism could possibly turn any agreement into knowledge when it begins with something unknown and puts together the conclusion and the steps in between from what is unknown? None. Therefore, dialectic is the only inquiry that travels this road, doing away with hypotheses and proceeding to the first principle itself, so as to be secure." [republic 533c-d]
to plato, then, knowledge itself becomes a condition of dialectic:
<"he reaches the end of the intelligible, just as the other reached the end of the visible. [.] And what about this journey? Don’t you call it dialectic?" [republic, 532b]
<"Then, do you call someone who is able to give an account of the being of each thing dialectical?" [republic, 534b]
in plainer terms, this is the socratic method:
<"Now my art of midwifery is just like theirs in most respects. The difference is that I attend men and not women, and that I watch over the labor of their souls, not of their bodies. And the most important thing about my art is the ability to apply all possible tests to the offspring, to determine whether the young mind is being delivered of a phantom, that is, an error, or a fertile truth [.] The common reproach against me is that I am always asking questions of other people but never express my own views about anything, because there is no wisdom in me; and that is true enough." [theaetetus, 150c-d]
or alternatively,
<"The dialectician chooses a proper soul and plants and sows within it discourse accompanied by knowledge—discourse capable of helping itself as well as the man who planted it, which is not barren but produces a seed from which more discourse grows in the character of others. Such discourse makes the seedPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>24360
Wow that painting is pretty fuckin' beautiful

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>>24362
The funny part about that Jacobin trash is that all the quotetweets are absolutely clueless too. Of course what Chibber says isn't materialism he's just peddling naive realism under the label. But he's not entirely wrong: communists do understand class actions as driven by material (i.e., economic) interests.

The key is that communists don't just assume people act out of class interest, they expose those interests, make them conscious, which is what actually reform of consciousness. It's not that everyone always knows or follows their class interest, class society hides those interests behind moral justifications, even morality talks against those interests. Also, I'm not sold on Chibber's democratic idealism. There's no mention of the middle class and how their democratic demands actually obstruct the class interests of the proletariat.



 

What is the value of either of their works of thought under capitalism? What is their intellectual value to studious communists today?

http://classics.mit.edu/Browse/browse-Plato.html
http://classics.mit.edu/Browse/browse-Aristotle.html
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>>24352
logic was first *formalised* by aristotle.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/history-of-logic/Aristotle
logic was not "invented" by aristotle of course, but has always been the unconscious determination of thought, which we otherwise call "reason" (λόγος).
the theory of λόγος (Logos) itself is derived from heraclitus, in the philosophic tradition, but heraclitus himself refers to λόγος as the "fire" of life, explicitly associated with persian zoroastrianism (mithraism - which later inspires christianity), where as we read in John 1:1,
<"Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος."

>>24314
>Pretty much everyone in China will tell you the Chinese canon is inferior to the Western canon and doesn't answer the sort of questions that were answered in India, but the Chinese never really bought in to "philosophy" as such
That's a silly inferiority complex, Chinese philosophy addresses questions of the state in a way that western philosophy didn't engage with until a millennia later, and that's being very charitable to western philosophy

>>24354
any examples?

>>24355
The entire school of legalistic
Before that and before aristotle the mohist school developed a consequentialist approach to to the state and also a formal system of logic

You don't really see anything like this in the western cannon until Hobbes

>>24356
*school of legalists



 

Okay, let's try this. I would try making this sort of a general threads for a few weeks, then we'd see if they became popular and maybe mods would make /psrg/ a permanent thread.

Thread inteded as a containment place for a discussion of all things religious since I had noticed there was an infestation of a low-quality religious discussion threads recently.

Let's start with the building of a reading list about religion and spirituality from a marxist/general socialist perspective, shall we?
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I'm gonna apply to a university of philosophy next year. Hope they're gonna accept me

>>24330
You obviously didn't read why and just recapitulated the talking point that knowledge is generally interchangeable and irrelevant. The point is that the claims of any religion, even an ersatz personal religion, are not claims that can be reassembled freely. That is what makes it religion of any sort. Either your religion is right or wrong, with nothing in between. Anything else is intellectual cowardice of the worst sort and will be held in contempt. Buddhism explicitly rejects the Christian claims and vice versa. And of course, you cannot be a Marxist communist and a Christian. Christianity is utterly incompatible with Marxism, which is why the Marxists become so pigheaded about religion, almost as if destroying Christianity was the greater objective and all of the stuff about socialism was just an excuse.

>>24332
Why? Study something useful in university. Study philosophy in your own time. You're handicapping yourself for no reason.

>>24334
hahaha true, i just didnt

>>24334
120 autism score detected



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Is this book worth reading? Finishing up on What is to Be Done? and feel as if it is pretty straight forward. The book is also like 600 pages long
>“If we are honestly to assess the lessons of the Russian Revolution, then it is essential that we unpick the real Lenin from this shared Stalinist and liberal myth of ‘Leninism’. It would be difficult to praise too highly Lars Lih’s contribution to such an honest reassessment of Lenin’s thought. At its heart, Lih’s book aims to overthrow, and succeeds in overthrowing, what he calls the ‘textbook interpretation’ of Lenin’s What is to be done? Lih thus adds to and deepens the arguments of those who have sought to recover the real Lenin from the Cold War mythology.”
Paul Blackledge, author, Historical Materialism and Social Evolution

If you're just getting into studying the USSR then I recommend you read E.H. Carr's books and/or Charles Bettelheim's Class Struggles in the USSR.



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Hey, I've seen this thread before a bunch of times, but upon searching it in the catalog I couldn't find anything.

The site is filled up with amazing PDF's that I really want to read, but because I've spent most of my life coasting on general knowledge and cramming, I have no study habits to speak of. I really want to be able to write theory, but to do so I'm going to need a lot more books under my belt.

Additionally I spent a lot of my life playing lots and lots of video games and browsing lots of social media so as a result my attention span is completely fucked. I want to get back to the attention span I had when I was a kid. When I felt like I could stop playing video games whenever I wanted when I felt like reading books were just ss interesting as everything else i wanted to do.

Largely kicked my addiction to video games but I've just supplanted it with social media. The problem seems to be that I need to use my computer and my phone but the distraction and seduction of fast food media is often too great.

Largely kicked my addiction to video games but I've just supplanted it with social media. The problem seems to be that I need to use my computer and my phone but the distraction and seduction of fast food media is often too great.

This thread is for:

-it's about how to build study habits.
-how to effectively organize your time
-Posting your progress and gaining back their attention span.
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>>24174
Mind mapping is basically flow charts for how the brain thinks. Start with something in the middle. Like Karl Marx. Then from there, around it, write related things you’ve been studying, labor theory of value, cool beard, super structure, etc. then from those points write related points to those things that are more specific. It takes advantage of spatial and relational memory centers of the brain when compared to a normal list of information.

>>24178
Is it for revising material that you already know? Or why would you make a mind map of Marx?

>>24179
You can use it to brainstorm with others, but yes, it’s mostly a way to organize recently learned information. It’s useful to med and law students who have to learn whole textbooks for exams. It’s like making a memory palace on paper… almost. I mean, just try it out right now. Get out a sheet of paper and a pen and think of a subject you know quite a bit about and chart something out. Dark souls lore. Moby dick. Lies about the dprk. Anything.

Read from the top of the page in a southern direction, when you run out of words, proceed to the next page (usually located towards the east in English texts) and repeat until you run out of pages to read. You may need to do this procedure multiple times from beginning to end if you feel the information is not sinking in.

>>24166
I guess I had a more complicated answer than fasting that hits some of the points in this thread. Sometimes there is a wall when you know you need to do something and then doing it. From my experience, if 'just do it' doesn't work, then its either physiological or emotional. Either something in your body isn't quite right and the solution is to fix the body first. It's really hard when you can't "just do it" to "just do it" to yet another thing like working out or getting your diet clean. The easiest way to fix the physiological issue is to literally fast. It's the absence of doing. There's also stuff like sleep hygiene and such. The point is that your body could be fucked and that's why you can't mentally do the thing. A weak body is like a weak battery. There's no willpower charge left. The other way you could be fucked up is emotionally. And you may not be good enough at identifying your own emotions to notice. Have you ever wondered why it's "I don't feel like it"? WELL THAT MEANS YOU ARE FEELING AN EMOTION AND THE EMOTION IS WHAT IS CONTROLING YOU. You can't LOGIC your way out of FEELING. You have to meditate or journal or think or treat yourself or figure out some way to COPE with the PAIN you have associated with the task. And even THAT all takes a lot of work. But it's not like you'll do the emotional work because you ALSO DONT FEEL LIKE DOING THAT TOO. Which is why, again, fasting is a cheat code. You literally stop eating for 24 hours and the fucking brain boost from the keytones will have you full of energy. Enough energy to then set up systems and WORK on WORKING ON YOURSELF so that when you are back to DUMB you, you can JUST DO IT.



 

Hi everyone
there is a weird thing that i discovered about quran
in reverse of one of the surahs i found out it has meanings

from the mp3 i sent here
from 0:14 seconds it says:
یا ایها النفس النفارس سمعنی
o my cavalry persons, here me out
ارسلکی اذو علیکی
we sent this to you for you
والکلام
the massage (is that)
حقنا حقا
our truth is the (real) truth

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>religion thread

>>24337
not really , i am not even a muslim
i just love to research about religions , any religions

honestly i did not knew where should i put it



 

If you know French or German, please contribute a chapter to /leftypol/'s first crowdsourced translation project! This project started on >>691.

The book is Karl Kautsky's history of the French Revolution, originally published as Die Klassengegensätze im Zeitalter der Französischen Revolution in 1889. Coming from the "Pope of Marxism", as Kautsky was then known, this text likely had an immense influence on Lenin and other revolutionaries of his day. It was approved by Engels himself, and may have been foundational in establishing the Marxist theory of bourgeois revolution, yet it has never been translated into English. The original German is available here: https://www.marxists.org/deutsch/archiv/kautsky/1908/frev/index.html and an old French translation is available here: https://www.marxists.org/francais/kautsky/works/1889/00/antagonismes-table.htm

What makes this work especially good for us to translate is that it's relatively short - just around 60 pages in total, divided into 10 chapters. With each chapter being 5-7 pages each, it is conceivable to translate a chapter in one day's volunteer work. Comrade Akko has already translated the preface, and is working on chapter 1. That leaves 9 chapters to complete:

Preface: Complete!
Chapter 1: Second draft complete (French)
Chapter 2: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 3: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading in progress (English) - Proofreader needed
Chapter 4: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 5: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 6: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading in progress (English) - Proofreader needed
Chapter 7: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading in progress (English) - Proofreader needed
Chapter 8: Complete! (Copyrighted work, permission secured)
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Need help translating this, I forget what this is, saved it from a thread here a year or 2 back.

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Who else hear can read this?

>>22920 (me)
This isn't difficult, anybody else before I start dropping hints?

康熙字典 令人头痛

Some translation kindly provided by 驭浪:
>>>/leftypol/2158409
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We'll take a look at the information about Yang Heping in the previous excerpt from 'Weimingzi's report.(translate the rest yourselves when you have time.)

>Yang Heping (English name: Engst Fred) is the eldest son of the American internationalists Yang Zaohan and Chun, born and raised in China. After reaching adulthood, he lived in the United States for a period of time. Before 2008, Yang Heping participated in organizing CYOC (Philadelphia Community Youth Group) in the United States. He also posted recruitment information and event announcements on certain exiled cult media. During this period, he cohabited with a woman named "Zhou Daoyuan" and together they owned a villa in Philadelphia (the source of their assets is unclear). Around 2004, CYOC received sponsorship from the Self Education Foundation, the Bread & Roses Community Fund, and the Hazen Foundation, all of which have distinct anti-China, anti-socialist backgrounds.


>In 2008, Yang Heping returned to China and subsequently became active on the internet. He was involved behind the scenes in the management and coordination of groups linked to the Jiliu faction, acting as the "commander" in the background. Around 2011, under the pen names "Hua Shi" and "Han Liu Ji" (which contrasts with Yang Heping), he published a series of articles asserting that China was emerging as an "imperialist" country, which sparked the "Imperialism Theory Debate" within radical "leftist" circles. Since then, more and more young people have started to follow Yang Heping's "Chinese Imperialism Theory."


>Yang Heping's theory argues that after China's reform and opening up, it has followed an imperialist path, becoming a rising social imperialist power. For example, he claims that China's navy's anti-piracy efforts in Somalia are aimed at competing for naval supremacy and that China will inevitably clash with other imperialist powers, possibly leading to a new world war. Yang Heping believes that the Chinese working class must maintain its independence and neutrality in the struggle between China and Western imperialist powers. Chinese workers should observe the "tragic yet spectacular" geopolitical drama from the sidelines and, after the new imperialist conflict ends, use this expe
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Anyone know spanish and willing to translate
"BIOGRAFÍA POLÍTICA DE CAMILO TORRES"
https://www.marxists.org/espanol/camilo/biografia.htm



 

From what i understand, successful rural guerrillas like the Shining Path and FARC weren't able to overthrown their governments because of low popular support on cities.
Why is that? How can we overcome this problem? I want to study that. If anyone got good books/videos/documentaries on the history of the Shining Path, the FARC, IRA, the Red Faction, and whatever you think will help, please share them.
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>>21764
I would say, the PCP-SL, like the CPP or the CPI (maoist) had (and have for the last two) to fight just like the CPC under Mao. What i'm trying to say is, a Guerrilla has to perservere during decades of conflict. Those decades may even be a century, but one of the truths as communists we know is that of contradictions. Though they may be for some or a lot of time slow to develop, they eventually come to a point which the guerrillas who follow a correct theoretical line can use to advance.

The other problem is that of establishment of a guerrilla in developed countries without the semi-feudal conditions the three i mentioned have.

Now, the answer i have has no example whatsoever and has no study involved. But see how Cyberpunk is described? How, there, capitalism evolves towards a complete dystopia? It is possible that capitalism can come to that, and that dystopia can create the conditions for an armed wing of Communist Party.

I have this conclusion from seeing how Japan is, they haven't come to that point though. But they are capitalism to an extreme, just not an Oligarchy, rather its people are massively depressed.

And not only that, even in countries with a history of progressive (yet liberal) measures like Northern Europe, there are signs of how capitalism makes a people depressed by expecting them to work like slaves and to exceed.

So i see capitalism is reinforcing its contraditions and it can come to a point where government has no power left, because capitalism has. Once that is achieved, a guerrilla can be possible.

By the way, people, this is a hypothesis, i ain't trying to give this a serious thought.


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>>24326
The failure of violent revolution like the Paris Commune is not because they betrayed the "contradictions" but rather due to the stragic failures of the people involved instead. For examples, not seizing the banks where they could be used to fund their goals, not attacking the government army, etc. It is literally such failures, not "unfollowing contradictions", resulted in their defeats. This can be avoided through observing the patterns of events and adjusting one's own decisions based on to it.

Events in a materialist sense is like the results of contradictions rather than existing independently from it. The contradictions itself can't be unfollowed since it is causal to all events. On the other hand, the theories of revolutionary terrorism are well developed and there are actions guided by them. Some people are better off fighting than to be enslaved. There are de facto free zones being established through terrorism like the areas under control of the Maoist ICP and SDF.

Northern Europe is not "progressive" nor does Japan (note how ridiculous "progressive" combined with "liberal" is) since they're reactionary by bing bourgeois and follows a doctrine of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. "Oligarchy" is the rule of the bourgeoisie, it is another way of telling the story. There is no factors preventing you from fighting gurrilla warfare as long as you can gather the material needed. It is literally possible to get a gun plus there are like-minded people as well. The concept "power dynamic" didn't predict the success of the Bolsheviks nor the CCP and turned reactionary by being used to deter any attempts to build communism through revolution instead.

>>24329
I was the OP of what you're replying. You actually made sense, i'm still reading some theory. But one question do i have, is revolution inevitable due to the inherent contradictions of capitalism? I mean, that's what i get from revolutionary socialism. But if yes, what we actually need, instead of blinding imitating PPW or the October Revolution, to study the actual conditions of the country we belong to and then take the steps to conquer power through what's best in the situation?

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>>24333
>What we actually need is a successful revolution, a revolution that overthrows the entity of state violence at once, that is distinguishable from other entities. All other revolutions, involving terrorism, or since they involve terrorism, are not supported by "contradictions" in a revolutionary socialist sense, are not out of thorough considerations nor fit for their revolutionary goals, therefor not relevant.

>We belong to "countries"


None of the statements are true>>24333



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Is there a PDF or book that explains the planned economic history and governmental structure of the Soviet Union in EXTREME and gritty technical & analytical detail while preferably including the Bolshevik group's ideals and wartime strategies leading to the October Revolution? Things like how precisely was the government set up, how was the economy and it's commerce were planned and what was the distinct bureaucratic structure. I'll be eternally greatful

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So /edu/ this site is full of threads debunking standard chicken headed talking points but what are some legit criticisms of leftist thought?

I found this book Black Marxism by Cedric Robinson and his thesis runs as following. Marxism and European socialism, instead of being an ideology of the proletariat, was a petty bourgeois ideology born out of a ressentiment for the bourgeoisie and the belief that the proletariat could be better managed. Leftists falsely understood capitalism as a rationalizing force which would create a homogenous proletariat, while in truth capitalism exacerbates racial differences to manage pops more efficiently. Leftists mistake nationalism and racism as essentially reactionary, while in truth it has always played a huge and sometimes preponderant part in history.

Second Kolakowski's book Main Currents of Marxism makes two important claims. Terms like "materialism" and "dialectics" are not well defined leading to ambiguity and confusion. This is why Lenin and the Russian Marxists misinterpreted Marx's materialism as an ontology of matter. Second leftist materialism is determinstic and offers a telological history in which outcomes are predetermined. This undermines human creativity and autonomy and is why the Soviets and "actually existing socialism" became totalitarian in practice. The party led by masters of Marxist theory and technocrats can guide society through more and more bureaucratization cancelling out the need for democratic participation and subordinating individual agency to the needs of the bureaucracy itself. I believe the Maoists saw this and tried to break from it but China ended up producing the same results because even the red guards embraced the same interpretation of historical/dialectical materialism.

I want bring out Carl Schmitt here for all the leftcoms and anarchists. If you have a radically open society you can easily get invaded by an influx of new people. /pol/ stormfaggot colonization of online spaces proves that anarchic environments are highly vulnerable to this type of invasion or the emergence of extremism within. Anarchist societies would not have the means to resist these invaders. Probably why the Zapatistas are scrapping their communal autonomy model because of cartels moving into Chiapas and causing trouble. The anarchist army could resist an external military force. Its been done before. But an anarchist society is prone to collapse and reversal through inabiliPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>24233
What has he said that was wrong?
If he sounds immature for saying this then I hate to know what your preference of what's correct is.

>>22324
Thats why some anons say they're communists, not leftists.

Leftism is just a farce, just no different from right is so far

>>24250
Why do you elevate his idiocy? "PTSD schizo" isn't a real thing, for starters as to what's 'wrong'. My 'preference for what's correct' is analysis beyond the equivalent of what a 13 year old boy would type as a means of 'analysis' in a youtube comment section.

>>24249
are you 'psikey' on twitter?

>>24322
Ah. I thought you meant his critique of anarchy relying on "muh goodness of human nature".

But for real though, most psuedo intellectualism is often from those older than you think.

I like how people always assume online that anything that sounds wrong is written by a child.

I find far more farcical opinions on boomer chat spaces



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