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Anon from the cybercom thread suggested I post this here as well. A forum for political economy research started by Marxists. Classical Econophysics is listed on the resource page.

>The goal of this forum is to create a community for producing and reproducing scientific knowledge in political economy that exists totally outside of the realm of academia, the world of bourgeois non-profits and thinktanks, and the state apparatus. Today, political economy, which has been transformed into the “scientific” discipline of economics, has been both gutted of its most insightful content and held back by obscurantist and outdated mathematical models. It was once the case, in the days of Smith, Ricardo and Marx, that political economy was a form of thinking, researching and discussion which was undertaken by a broad public: working men, skilled craftsmen, professionals, clergy and professors. In this time, people didn’t write textbooks of economics, books to be taught by rote learning, they wrote books which were meant to be read by people interested in political economy and further their own research and understanding.

>This forum is built on the optimism for human curiosity and ingenuity, on the hope that there’s a possibility for creating a social science that isn’t trapped in the confines of a state ideology. A place for discussing political economy and related issues outside of the universities, economic bureaucracies and institutes funded by and for the ruling class; to the extent individuals from that world use this forum it should be to escape that world. On the other side of things, while it would be excellent for the work of this forum and its users to go on and inspire political movements, the forum itself is not sectarian, and is intended as a place for a general scientific community where all stripes of researchers can present their findings and debate.

>The features of this site are intended to nurture such a community. Users can write posts on their own personal blogs in long form to describe their research, as well as follow the works of other users. The actual forum allows users to create topics to discuss anything political economy related, as well as developments in real world economies, keeping dialogue open and inclusive to the public. The debates in the forum can teach people about political economy, as well as inspire further investigat
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Look interesting. I don't have the know-how to contribute anything, but I would read the stuff on there.


Bumping for interest. Will post a more meaningful response later if I think of something


Good idea


Bros. Theories of Surplus Value is SO FUCKING GOOD.

Marx LAYS DOWN THE FUCKING LAW and elaborates on the physiocrats, Adam Smith, David Ricardo, Malthus, and all the other classical political economists that reactoids like to pretend Marx never read.

It was supposed to be volume 4 of capital but Neither Marx nor Engels finished it. Karl Kautsky was the first to publish it from Marx's notes, but his edition is out of print and incredibly rare. David Riazanov (Ryazanov) of the Marx–Engels Institute in Moscow bought Marx's notes from the German government before they went full fash and published Theories of Surplus Value, but he was purged by Stalin.

It's definitely worth a read. Because its content is mostly historical, it's almost as fun as Capital volume 1, and less dry than volumes 2 and 3.


I'll give a look at it, thx anon


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Why the fuck isn't it considered standard for news articles to list sources? Every other type of publication it's expected. Newspapers get to just say: "trust us bro."

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And then even stranger still, more serious articles that list sources may list newspapers as sources.


good question


Newspapers historically being printed on paper had a very strict economy of space that didn't apply so much to books and other media. The trend has stuck, probably because there's no pressure to change it.


>just list sources for your propaganda
newspapers couldn't perform their role


They're the sources. They're not academic articles, they just break news as quick as possible. You just have to hope wherever they their reports from (Associated Press for example) is trustworthy.


I made these charts recently, if you have any ideas of new charts or charts of your own drop them here.
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Any lists like this for Freudo-Marxists/Frankfurt School?


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Reading list of Marx and Engels where shit that's already repeated in another work isn't included

-Ludwig Feuerbach and the End of Classical German Philosophy + Theses on Feuerbach
-The Communist Manifesto
-Economic & Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844
-Chapter 1 of the Grundrisse
-The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State
-The Civil War in France
-Critique of the Gotha Program
-Conspectus of Bakunin’s Statism and Anarchy [Extract]

Someone make a chart


It's in order, too, btw. So I would write like this instead:

1. Ludwig Feuerbach and the End of Classical German Philosophy + Theses on Feuerbach
2. The Communist Manifesto
3. Economic & Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844
4. Chapter 1 of the Grundrisse
5. The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State
6. Capital
7. The Civil War in France
8. Critique of the Gotha Program
9. Conspectus of Bakunin’s Statism and Anarchy [Extract]
Also, thinking about it:
10. The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte
11. The Class Struggles in France


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bumpying for new charts

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Post Copy pastas, videos and books which debunk common Fascist, Liberal talking points which are repeated often.
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Could somebody debunk this video?


How can this impact be measured? Keeping in mind that emigrants to america are cream of the crop in their former country, and (American) blacks started retarded.


Not really. No.


if a lesbian is convicted of raping women would he have the same complaint?
he brings up a valid issue with the prison system but he seems to ignore that sexual assault happens in prisons regardless.
maybe rapists should be housed away from other inmates?


That pic kind of annoys me. Sure, there are activists like this, but there are also many people who legit do not realize they're being oppressed and exploited, like a lot of workers in the West.

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Good day, I wished to ask if anyone has the whole archive-collection of Marxist.org (would be best if it is only in english) in a torrent and if they could send to me so i can save it in a portable HHD in any case there would be need for it later in the world and also for my personal use to read on

If not that's ok, and thank you in advance



>any case there would be need for it later in the world
Marxism is a science, even if all Marxist works were lost, someone would figure it out again. You can't "lose" Marxism any more than you can lose math or physics.


I'm not an expert but I don't think there's any easy torrent out there. The MIA themselves used to sell CDs and HDDs with the whole archive on them, but those days are done. The problem is that once it became viable to host PDF files the size of the archive just exploded in size compared to HTML text files. So the MIA has a complete set of high resolution scans of both the standard and New York edition of the Daily Worker, 365 issues a year for decades, that alone takes up I think hundreds of gigabytes. With that said, very, very few people will ever read every single issue.

Compared to that, the biggest name authors are still mostly text based. The entire Marx and Engels archive for example is still less than one gigabyte. So I think if you just want the biggest names you can assemble what would be a huge, bookshelf-bending collection of reference material without much trouble.

PS: If you do so try to grab the material off of https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/ instead of marxists.org, the mirror didn't go along with that bullshit copyright strike on the MECW.

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the way i explain the labor to people is very simple. I cut straight to the chase.

I say these things, usually not all at once. I let people chew on each one:

> 1 If you’re a boss, and you own a business, you have to pay the worker less than their work is worth.

> 2 If you pay them exactly what their work is worth, you don’t make any money, your business won’t grow, and you’ll get bought out by some asshole who pays workers less.
> 3 If you pay a worker more than their work is worth, you’re losing money, your business will shrink, and you’ll go out of business.
> 4 the problem is the system, because the way the system is set up, workers have to beg for a job from people who own the places we work at, and the bosses only give the job to the lowest bidder, the people willing to do the most in exchange for the least in return.
> 5 everybody who can't get a job has to keep looking for a job until they get so desperate they start selling themselves for less and less
> 6 even with how little they pay us they think it's too much. so they constantly look for ways to make more money and pay less money.
> 7 they send our jobs overseas to where the labor is cheaper, and they want us to blame the people overseas even though they're the ones sending the jobs off and calling themselves job creators while they do it
> 8 they hire a bunch of overeducated nerds to make machines and programs to do our jobs for us, so they can fire us, and then they take credit for what those nerds make
> 9 they give the jobs to people who just got here and are usually running away from some fucked up shit like war and are therefore more desperate than even the average schmuck here is
> 10 despite all this shit they do to get rid of us or make us work for less money, they still need to sell the stuff they make, and if everyone's too poor to buy that shit, then they gotta lower the price
> 11 the faster they make stuff, the cheaper that stuff is because less work goes into makin it, and money is just a piece of paper that says some work got done
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That's not a good example, most bartenders have college degrees.


Fair enough
In that case I reference this example from
>I dropped out at 17 and I could read it. It is of course still a complicated work and influences almost all social/political criticism onwards, but getting through it on its own is very much achievable. The thing you have to realize is that it has almost a literary quality to it, and isn't just dry theory. There's a very specific kind of didactic method throughout it.
The historical records show that workers can and did read things like; Capital, and The Origin of Species.

Assuming literacy, so we're disregarding the USA here a downtrodden worker can pick up Capital volume 1 and understand it.

Marx wrote it with that intention.

This is a simple fact.


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The goalposts keep moving. The original claim was, and I repeat, the German working class "voraciously" read the first edition of capital, as soon as it was released in 1867. The fact that only 1000 copies were purchased of the 1st edition in Germany shows that this is not true. It had limited circulation among political economists and gentlemen of the first international. I have that image saved btw. A bartender reading Capital today makes perfect sense because it is an easy job to read at. If you work in a factory 12 hours a day in the 1800s for a paltry wage barely above your means of subsistence, and come home to your seven crying children, you are not going to have time to read Capital. And yes, I'm aware the German workers were unusually literate for the time.


You're ignoring unofficial copies being spread. Abridged versions of Marx's and Engel's texts were very popular in Russia.


> Abridged versions of Marx's and Engel's texts were very popular in Russia.
Wow. the very kind of text people mad at OP were arguing are "useless"


Guys I just finished Capital Volume 2 I'm so proud of myself. That book was really long and contained a lot of calculations but at long last I have finished. Of course I don't binge read it all the way, sometimes I try to read one chapter then switch to less intensive stuff, like reading Stalin or Hoxha (or anything that I like) for instance. So here is what I think:
1) So the first several chapters is spent discussing the circulation: M-(C+LP)-Pr…Pr1-C1-M1.
M: original money capital
C: Commodity
LP: Labour power (basically you hire someone).
Pr: The production process
Pr1: After you have produced stuff
C1: New commodity (to be sold)
M1: A larger amount of money (after you have sold stuff).
The discussion is rather long-winded, but I think here Marx tries to hammer the fundamental points again and again so that's fine i guess.
Here there is also some mention about 1) Gold 2) Services, such as transportation which is slightly different but will need to be referred to later on
2) Then there are the chapters about circulation time, labour time, production time (for example when you let wine in a barrel for like 10 years, that's when production time > labour time), so on and so on and so on. I think those chapters are quite okay, although there is a chapter in which the authors investigate the effects of advanced capital and turnover period, in which the maths is quite complicated, but I just do not think that there is much to it although it's true that the results show that this requires credit but i mean that's obvious. There are also some parts about fixed and circulating capital which is important, and Marx hammers down on Adam Smith and Ricardo which is rather complicated yeah I know I want to know how capitalism is bound to have crisis not watch some economist dissing on other economists.
After that there are also some chapters discussing effects of circulating surplus value, variable capitals, … Here there is discussion of how the hell can the system get the money for the surplus value. So for pre-credit time it's from gold-producing industries, and for credit-era the capitalists keep sending in money so that later on they will get back that money and even more money. Think Keynesian spending or other such stuff. Also effect of wage increase is discussed.
I think that some parts about fixed and circulating capital is rather complicated and do not show the main points.
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yes :(


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bump. I just started volume 2 and don't want this thread to die.


do you have a job and a child? I get maybe 30 minutes to read a day


You can get through an entire chapter or 2 in 30 minutes. Drop your kids off at an orphanage and you get even more time.


This is a video looking at the right-wing history channel WhatifAltHist, and the broader trends in historical studies that it represents.

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It's worth remembering that on any platform but especially youtube, it pays (literally) to be provocative and to ride the line about what you're allowed to say. If you can get a bunch of people to make video responses to you about how problematic you are, they are doing a lot of free marketing for you.


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>complains about reactionaries
>8 minutes in
>directly quotes Karl Popper's "paradox of tolerance" bit


There's a lot of liberal history as well, I would say that is actually the majority. IMO these are far more harmful because they're not just preaching to the choir, and they're not politically explicit.

Of course the liberal historians become obviously right-wing when it comes to left-wing events. They will not directly glorify fascistic and imperialistic counter-revolutionary forces but will instead relativize and omit essential facts so that communist revolutions appear as violent attacks by a small clique on the moderate civilized status quo, while (attempted) counter-revolutions are painted as general resistance to the aggression of that small clique. In liberal view communism is always merely a deviation from the progression to the end of history, and it happened in "backward" countries not because their starting point was different (weak bourgeoisie, usually compradors) but because their culture wasn't sufficiently westernized.


Good point. There's also probably a lot of confirmation bias going into the idea that history buffs tend to be right wing.


The vids on this guy by Fredda are better

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what do you think about the sokal affair?

idk much about sociology or poster modernism but it feels like an attack on leftism? even though alan sokal himself says he was a leftist and was trying to dissuade it from going somewhere weird

but all the "destroys postermodernism" youtube thumbnails i see when i search this, eerily remind me of the other rightwing shit of "destroys sjws" type

i saw a few lines and it just reads like incomprehensible jargon? i couldn't tell if it was parody honestly if i didn't know, scientific mumbo jumbo


He got a nonsense article published in a journal that didn't even have a peer review process. It was a publicity stunt.


There's way bigger scandals in academia like the replication crisis, but sokal affair was "owning the libs" so it gets more attention.


>idk much about sociology or poster modernism but it feels like an attack on leftism?
You can just read their (Sokal & Bricmont) book on the hoax, Fashionable Nonsense. It's on libgen. The journal they trolled was rather obscure. They put an astonishing amount of time into researching into the phenomenon that they were criticizing with that hoax (self-styled radical leftists abusing niche jargon from math and physics they don't seem to understand themselves). Their criticism of some writers of the "left" was really limited to that.

The "Sokal Affair" is whatever the MSM wants it to be, so Sokal being pro-Palestine or whatever else being inconvenient for the flow of the story can just be dropped. If they want to tell the story of an epic conservative teacher owning SJWs, they do that. They don't have to explicitly lie, they can just use suggestive language and omission.

There have been many copy-cats getting crap published (and not just the humanities, but also computer science), some of which has been generated by AI far more primitive than what we have seen over the last couple of years.


Fuck postmodernism.


What about post-post-modernism

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