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 No.4366[Reply]

Is it fine to read translations of Adorno? What are the best ones? I've heard his works are difficult to translate correctly.
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 No.5611

>>4366
>Is it fine to read translations of Adorno
no.


 No.3624[Reply]

Hello and welcome comrades!, this is a reading club thread, we will be reading and discussing Marxist theory books.
We've already started and completed reading and discussing The Communist Manifesto and The Principles of Communism yesterday.
Anyone can join the reading club, if you want to read and understand theory and you're serious about it then don't be afraid to join! we're still reading the basics so you don't have to be intimidated.

Our current reading list:
https://leftyread.neocities.org/

/leftytrash/ matrix community link:
https://matrix.to/#/+leftytrash:matrix.org
/read/ matrix room link:
https://matrix.to/#/#leftyread:matrix.org

Also we are closely related to the /GET/ Reading group who helped us make our own reading group:
https://www.getchan.net/GET/res/469.html
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 No.5082

Some burger anon recommend a euro a book to understand the doctrine of manifest destiny and settler colonialism in the US. Also, just books about imperialism and colonialism from a Marxist perspective appreciated
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 No.5095

Probably Settlers unironically, but read critically.
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 No.5341

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/read/ news update

First and foremost, we're happy to welcome yet another reading group into our community. This time it's the <currently unnamed> reading group, formerly known as the infrared reading group. They've been running their own operation for a while now. We've added them to our matrix community ( https://matrix.to/#/+leftyread:matrix.org ) and are in the process of adding their schedule and books to our website. They're currently working with philosophy and psychoanalysis. See the Heidegger and Freud threads on this board for their activity.


Second, but no less important: our web domain, leftyread.ml, was taken down. We're still looking into it, but it's probably for copyright infringement (a lot of our books were from libgen) . It seems unlikely we'll get that domain back for various reasons, so we'll be running on the old domain for now. That is: leftyread.neocities.org

That is all.
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 No.5599

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When will /read/ tackle this beautiful masterpiece of Marxist theory?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u_uHELNQ8U5ffKVrj2nopoeppPZN5tQ5f_aNjMDro20/edit
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 No.5602

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>>5599
> market socialism that abolishes the commodity form


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 No.5558[Reply]

You people lied to me, I read Deleuze and the guy was a fucking materialist.
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 No.5563

Care to elaborate?
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 No.5586

who ever said deleuze wasn't a materialist. he's like the arch-materialist.
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 No.5587

>>5586
He’s a spinozist.
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 No.5595

>>5587
Isn't Spinoza a materialist too…?
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 No.5598

>>5595
he’s a fake materialist


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 No.5588[Reply]

>muh fire
>muh artemis
>muh bow/harp
>muh death/play
>muh wisdom in ordinary things

>But he had himself withdrawn into the temple of Artemis in order to play knucklebones with the children; here, the Ephesians stood around him, and he said to them: “What are you gaping at, you scoundrels? Or is it not better to do this than to work with you on behalf of the πόλις (city)?”


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 No.5471[Reply]

Hola /edu/!

Some leftypol regulars and I have had the idea to host a language-learning group for us all to learn together.

The language we are all interested in is Spanish, and we'll be using the Micheal Thomas course (>>1033) to learn it.

Here is the plan:

We each listen to one CD of Micheal Thomas every week.
Then on every Friday we discuss what we learned and practice it by trying to make new sentences with what we've learned as best we can.

Then, after we have completed the 'Foundations' part of said course we all switch to speaking Spanish only to keep practising what we've learned and to practice fluency.

This will all start this coming week.

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 No.5513

>>5512
>I'm planning on learning german soon™
https://bunkerchan.net/edu/res/6470.html
ctrl-f 200 GERMAN ONE-WORD SENTENCES
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 No.5514

>>5513
Amazing thread, what is it doing on that site?
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 No.5526

>>5512
Im >>5509. Id be super down to help anons learning spanish, if only to be someone you could have a conversation with. If there is a matrix server I could join or whatever Id be happy to
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 No.5527

>>5526
It's in the OP comrade: https://matrix.to/#/!uDgkvHYaUmWfGUtETA:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
We would love to have you.
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 No.5575

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Greeting from /ref/! Just wanted to stop by and ask how the learning is going. I am not able to join in sadly but I want to make sure it’s going good


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 No.5411[Reply]

I thinking i'm making the mistake of mixing postmodern thinkers and marxism without a good philosophical base. Zizek’s conception of ideology is based Lacan’s idea of the “real”, a primordial element that can not be discovered through any scientific analysis. The Orthodox marxist conception of the ideology is in relation to material reality of class relations. Ideology is what leads to “false consciousness”. Im I grasping it wrong? If Zizek doesn’t believe in the existence of an objective reality , Can he really be a marxists? Also wtf is the "lack in the symbolic Other". Can somebody help clarify?
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 No.5535

>Zizek’s conception of ideology is based Lacan’s idea of the “real”, a primordial element that can not be discovered through any scientific analysis.
Real positivist hours.
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 No.5554

>>5534
Lacan's subject: the imaginary, language, the real and philosophy - Bert Olivier

Relations of the Real in Lacan, Bataille and Blanchot - Fred Botting

Some academic articles I looked up
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 No.5555

Check out plastic pills
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 No.5556

>>5534
> What you're saying here sounds more like the imaginary.
I don’t think so
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 No.5573

Zizek is a materialist (this makes him a valid enough Marxist in my eyes in this context), as in he believes the world actually exists outside of humans. He doesn't believe in the existence of objective reality in the sense that "truth" doesn't exist, >>5412 like this post said science isn't "fact", it is this interrogation process. He realises that our conception of material reality is warped by ideology and that this is inescapable in its entirety.
>They don't know it but they are doing it

>What is lack in the symbolic Other

This shit I find incomprehensible without context, just read Zizek and these ideas will slowly reveal themselves. (however some other intro Lacan/Freud reading seems like it would help you a lot).
>>5534
Good post.


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 No.5506[Reply]

I'm looking for books on Middle Eastern politics and history. Give me some recommendations. Also, has anyone read this? Is it any good?
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 No.5515

Orientalism by Edward Said is a must read. You don't have to aggree with everything he said, but you should still read it imo
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 No.5568

If you're interested in Iran specifically, Between Two Revolutions is a good book written by a Marxist that presents the history of (mostly) 20th century Iran through that lens very well.
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 No.5572

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>>5568
> Between Two Revolutions
Thank you very much for the recommendation.
>>5506
I'd recommend "All the Shah's Men" by Kinzer on the topic of Iran. He has some other good books as well, such as "The Brothers" and "Poisoner-in-Chief".


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 No.5571[Reply]

Need some resources


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 No.4666[Reply]

and how do they plan on deprecating money itself? I know labor vouchers is usually the system that’s brought up but it doesn’t seem like Marx himself was thrilled about it, he just said it could be temporarily used in a workers’ state. I don’t understand how he planned on deprecating it afterwards. Cockshott expanded upon this by adding that they could be digital so that people wouldn’t be able to trade with them. but how does the act of trading currency inherently promote labor alienation? I understand how under private property it does, but in a collectively owned means of production I don’t see why it’s a problem, or why it’s any better than the currency system of the Soviet Union.
tl;dr why do orthodox Marxists believe no banknotes at all > labor vouchers > money?
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 No.5552

>>5551
No idea, communism is the real movement that abolishes the present state of things - basically the law of value collapses - asking that question is like asking a Russian peasant to imagine the breakdown of the corvee system.
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 No.5553

"Eventually"? Getting rid of it is a necessity.
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 No.5557

>>5553
That answers nothing
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 No.5566

>>4667
>abolishing the production of things with the primary purpose of being sold (rather than shared or distributed)
So there will be no more trading collectable card games in communism?
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 No.5567

>>5566
“abolish” is a bad translation of “sublate”. there won’t be a law making trading things illegal, that’s not what abolish means in Marxism.


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 No.5485[Reply]

Is there such a thing yet? Philosophy about data itself, datamining, neural networks, massive surveillance, etc.
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 No.5491

Pretty weird because I was literally thinking the exact same thing this morning. You would think it’s pretty straight forward to make a dialectical analysis of the internet and its alienation and accumulation of data but it seems like no one has done it.
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 No.5493

>>5491
more likely, academic philosophy (and science's philosphy) is way too obscure and not vulgarized at all, cause I would be surprised none of them thought about theorizing that shit
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 No.5494

Baudrillard and Virilio
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 No.5507

>>5485
philosophy of technology is your best bet. McLuhan, Packard, Mumford, Baudrillard

For specific current books on what you're talking about:
The age of surveillance capitalism
Surveillance Valley - The Secret Military History of the Internet
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 No.5538

>>5507
I think OP is talking more about the internet as a culture and it’s movements. An explanation for the rise and fall of internet communities would be an interesting endeavor.


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